Joe Rogan Experience #1215 - Ben O'Brien

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (sighs) (liquid sloshing) Three, two,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (sighs) (liquid sloshing) Three, two, one. Was, uh, was this beverage concocted by you? Were you the first one?

   2. BOBen O'Brien0:11

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      You, you created (smacks lips) rye brain.

   4. BOBen O'Brien0:15

      If you ask me, yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      If you asked Dudley, what does he say?

   6. BOBen O'Brien0:17

      He would say maybe he was there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      (laughs)

   8. BOBen O'Brien0:20

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Maybe he was there, but-

   10. BOBen O'Brien0:21

       He might've been there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       ... he was definitely there.

   12. BOBen O'Brien0:23

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       But whose idea was it?

   14. BOBen O'Brien0:24

       It's hard to say with these things, Joe.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Cheers, sir.

   16. BOBen O'Brien0:26

       Cheers. (glasses clinking) Good to see you. You look good.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       You look good, too.

   18. BOBen O'Brien0:29

       Yeah. Well-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       I look even better with this shirt, right?

   20. BOBen O'Brien0:30

       Look at that shirt.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       This is the new Ben O'Brien special.

   22. BOBen O'Brien0:32

       Get that shirt.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Can you get this from your website? What is this from-

   24. BOBen O'Brien0:34

       You can go to the, the-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       The Hunting Collective?

   26. BOBen O'Brien0:35

       ... meateater, themeateater.com.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       The meateater.com.

   28. BOBen O'Brien0:37

       You go to the store, and it's there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah, so what people... Uh, you know, I had Steve on, Steve Rinella, our good friend.

   30. BOBen O'Brien0:44

       Yes.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah, it's a show.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      I don't know if CSI: Miami, is that even a show? Is that a real show?

   2. BOBen O'Brien15:03

      Yeah, it's a show. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      There's a CSI: Miami?

   4. BOBen O'Brien15:04

      There is.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      There's guests.

   6. BOBen O'Brien15:05

      There's several. There's many CSIs.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      I guessed.

   8. BOBen O'Brien15:07

      But we've, like, we've-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Law & Order.

   10. BOBen O'Brien15:09

       We've expe- like, Law & Order. There's so many-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       Yeah.

   12. BOBen O'Brien15:11

       ... of those. But we've expanded our willingness-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       Yeah.

   14. BOBen O'Brien15:12

       ... to, like, explore things that are... I mean, Game of Thrones, for example, is one of the best shows ever created, in my opinion.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       For sure.

   16. BOBen O'Brien15:20

       But it explores some unthinkable things.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Awful things.

   18. BOBen O'Brien15:25

       Awful things.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       Well, it's, the whole show, s- spoiler alert, is, uh, around a brother and sister who fucked and had a whole family.

   20. BOBen O'Brien15:32

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Yeah.

   22. BOBen O'Brien15:33

       So it explores these, like, these things that in, we would never even touch upon in our media.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Yeah.

   24. BOBen O'Brien15:38

       In the '50s, '60s, even the '70s, we wouldn't be touching upon those things in the way that we do now.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       No, not only that, but, p- here's the thing, Law & Order is not a bad show. Like, if you watch it, you'll be entertained.

   26. BOBen O'Brien15:51

       No. No, it's not a bad show.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       So what happened? Why, why did we go, "Not good enough"? Like, what did, what was it? Was it that we-

   28. BOBen O'Brien15:57

       Man, that's a, that's a question.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Is that what we did? Did they go, "Not good enough"? Or, did, was it, like, like porn? Like, if you watch porn, okay? And you watch some porn from the 1980s and then you flip through, like, YouPorn, not that I would ever do that-

   30. BOBen O'Brien16:12

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      mass shootings that somehow-

   2. BOBen O'Brien30:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      ... or another, you're being conflated with them. That you're be- being, uh, confused with them, or categorized with them. Like how, how is that? Th- These are different things.

   4. BOBen O'Brien30:10

      They are different things.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      They are just both involve guns.

   6. BOBen O'Brien30:12

      They are different things.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      It's like the insult that dr- drove all those people in Toronto. Remember that?

   8. BOBen O'Brien30:18

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      W- you know, what if that keeps happening? That's happened many times. We've seen people kill people with cars over the last few years. It's been like four or five-

   10. BOBen O'Brien30:25

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       ... big events.

   12. BOBen O'Brien30:26

       I mean, are they mutually exclusive? Like, I want to be able to defend my family and own firearms and have that freedom. That's a big part of this country, but I also don't want people to die-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       Exactly.

   14. BOBen O'Brien30:35

       ... in mass shootings. I don't want that. I want-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Of course.

   16. BOBen O'Brien30:37

       And on, on the other side of the coin, with ... When you ... When it comes to like environmental issues and, around hunting, public lands and things like of nature, I want coal miners to have jobs. I want e- people that work in the extraction industries to have an opportunity to work and live and, and do what they need to do. But I also wanna protect our ecosystems at all costs, 'cause you can't replace that shit.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Right. And, eh, there's gotta be other jobs out there, if the government put its resources instead to propping up old ways of doing business-

   18. BOBen O'Brien31:08

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       ... that pollute the environment, versus new ways of doing business-

   20. BOBen O'Brien31:12

       But there, there-

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       ... like with subsidies and with-

   22. BOBen O'Brien31:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       ... with government programs. This is entirely possible.

   24. BOBen O'Brien31:15

       Yeah, there are certainly reasonable and, and, uh-... healthy ways to mine copper or, or th- there are ways to do-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Is there? I don't know.

   26. BOBen O'Brien31:22

       There is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Yeah.

   28. BOBen O'Brien31:23

       I mean, there's responsible ways to do that. But at what c- you know, like, at what cost? You're still, you're still extracting.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Right.

   30. BOBen O'Brien31:31

       Like, you're still, uh-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. BOBen O'Brien45:00

      super easy to get on that train.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BOBen O'Brien45:02

      It is real easy to get on that train and lose your critical thought around what, what is the idea of wilderness. I mean, because when I think of my hunting now, like when we first went hunting like five or six years ago, you would've asked me this question, I would've given you a whole different answer.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      What would you have said then?

   5. BOBen O'Brien45:18

      I, I don't know what I would've said then, but not this answer. I might've said like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Well, you're a fairly youngish man.

   7. BOBen O'Brien45:23

      I'm only, yeah-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      You're growing.

   9. BOBen O'Brien45:24

      I'm growing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       What are you? 31?

   11. BOBen O'Brien45:25

       33.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Oh, you beautiful person.

   13. BOBen O'Brien45:27

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Look at you.

   15. BOBen O'Brien45:27

       I love you too.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Perfect complexion.

   17. BOBen O'Brien45:30

       Look at you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       All your cells are firing correctly. No liver spots yet.

   19. BOBen O'Brien45:34

       This whiskey's really-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Good stuff.

   21. BOBen O'Brien45:36

       ... I am Irish.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Um, so what do you think you would've called it then?

   23. BOBen O'Brien45:42

       So what I probably would've said like when we first went hunting in, in BC together for moose, what I probably would've said, would've been around... It would've been less value based and more like, I do it 'cause my dad did it. I do it because it connects me to m- to my dad, like my dad, my family, my people. I do it 'cause humanity did it. We talk, we filmed a video, remember?

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       Yeah.

   25. BOBen O'Brien46:02

       Sitting on the thing, we talked a lot about our humanity, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Mm-hmm.

   27. BOBen O'Brien46:05

       Like the drawing back through the history of time when the hunter was exalted in a tribe of people.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Well, it was the only way to get meat.

   29. BOBen O'Brien46:14

       It was the only way to get meat. So your skills-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:26

   Almost all things that…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      and you're happy.

   2. BOBen O'Brien1:00:01

      Almost all things that are categorized as rodents-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Yes.

   4. BOBen O'Brien1:00:03

      ... you would do that to.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Well, not true, really, right? Like squirrels, they're cute, they're adorable.

   6. BOBen O'Brien1:00:08

      Yeah, but if there was ... They just don't get in your house. But if they were to get-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      They don't get in your house.

   8. BOBen O'Brien1:00:10

      ... if there was-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Yeah.

   10. BOBen O'Brien1:00:11

       ... half a dozen squirrels in your garage and you could set traps and get them out of there, then you would.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       But it's a different thing. Like you would feel bad if you stomped one.

   12. BOBen O'Brien1:00:18

       Probably.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       I wouldn't s- ... You'd stomp a rat.

   14. BOBen O'Brien1:00:20

       Probably.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       Like people st- ... You if you saw a rat in your kid's room, you'd fucking stomp that thing to death.

   16. BOBen O'Brien1:00:25

       Well ... (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       You wouldn't even think twice, right? If you saw a squirrel in your kid's room, you'd probably throw a blanket over it.

   18. BOBen O'Brien1:00:27

       So why do we put, why do we put those types of val- ... Why do we apply those value systems to animals like that? What is-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Because they're overpopulated, and because traditionally, they have been carriers of plague.

   20. BOBen O'Brien1:00:38

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Well, the f- the real rea- ... The real story about the Black Plague is not just that the rats were carrying it, but in fact that the ticks and the f- ... Was it ticks or fleas that were on the rats were carrying the Black Plague? I want to say it's fleas.

   22. BOBen O'Brien1:00:53

       Could be.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       And that this was how the Bubonic Plague got spread. It got spread actually, in fact, through the ticks-

   24. BOBen O'Brien1:00:58

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       ... that were carried by the rats. Is that what it is? Fleas? Fleas. Um, thank you, Joe with the Google search. The, uh, the difference is that squirrels are not overpopulated and that raptors are killing them off like left and right and it's a, a primary source of food for a lot of these flying raptors.

   26. BOBen O'Brien1:01:14

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Like eagles and, and hawks and s- stuff like that. I'm sure a lot of other things eat them too.

   28. BOBen O'Brien1:01:20

       Of course.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       But there's enough balance out there. But rats, rats lock into us. I mean, they lived without us for a long time.

   30. BOBen O'Brien1:01:27

       Of course.

Episode duration: 2:55:25