Joe Rogan Experience #1227 - Mike Tyson

1. 0:02 – 1:25

   Coffee-free Tyson and getting into drugs shockingly young

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Three, two, one. Boom! And we're live.

   2. MTMike Tyson0:07

      What's happening, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      What's up, Mike? Tom Segura's in the house for a few minutes here too.

   4. TSTom Segura0:11

      What's up, man? Yeah, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Stopped by to say hi. I can't believe you've never had a cup of coffee.

   6. MTMike Tyson0:15

      Never.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You want some?

   8. MTMike Tyson0:16

      No. (laughs)

   9. TSTom Segura0:17

      That, that might be-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       I know. (laughs)

   11. TSTom Segura0:18

       ... that might be the most outrageous thing about you-

   12. MTMike Tyson0:20

       Yeah.

   13. TSTom Segura0:20

       ... is that you've never had coffee.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Your whole life you've never had coffee?

   15. MTMike Tyson0:23

       Never had coffee, no. D- just tea, never coffee.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       No one ever offered you a cup of coffee?

   17. MTMike Tyson0:29

       No, never.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       You never went to Starbucks?

   19. MTMike Tyson0:30

       Never. No, for tea, I had some donuts.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Wow.

   21. TSTom Segura0:33

       What about, like, at-

   22. MTMike Tyson0:33

       That was when you, um, when I was in, um, when I was, when you're in rehab, you always gotta go to Starbucks because the meeting's right outside at Starbucks. You always hang out at Starbucks and stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Right.

   24. MTMike Tyson0:43

       But never for coffee. Never had a cup-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You didn't wanna try it?

   26. MTMike Tyson0:45

       Never.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Hm.

   28. TSTom Segura0:47

       That is, that... How about, like, like, girlfriends, wives? Like, none of them ever, like, ca- drank coffee at home?

   29. MTMike Tyson0:52

       I'm sure they have, but I never really. My wife drinks it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       And you just, nothing?
2. 1:25 – 2:54

   Training camp discipline vs. chaos: drinking, partying, and the sex-before-fights myth

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:25

      Wow, that's real young. Wow. But when you were the champ, when you were in your prime, like, when you, when, like, when you beat Trevor Berbick, were you doing anything back then?

   2. MTMike Tyson1:36

      Just drinking a lot.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:37

      Drinking a lot? Really?

   4. MTMike Tyson1:38

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:38

      That's amazing.

   6. TSTom Segura1:39

      Would you go clean for camp? Or, like-

   7. MTMike Tyson1:42

      Just for camp, yeah.

   8. TSTom Segura1:42

      Just for camp?

   9. MTMike Tyson1:43

      Just for camp.

   10. TSTom Segura1:44

       Yeah, but outside, like, once the fight's over, it's like, yeah?

   11. MTMike Tyson1:46

       Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm an animal, yeah.

   12. TSTom Segura1:47

       Wow, yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       You were the first guy that I, I ever use as an example of, uh, to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights. And I was like, "Well, that's out the window."

   14. TSTom Segura1:58

       For sure.

   15. MTMike Tyson1:59

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       'Cause you would, you would talk about it all the time. You'd be like, yeah.

   17. MTMike Tyson2:02

       Yeah. Yeah, pretty much, yep.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       (laughs)

   19. TSTom Segura2:05

       (laughs)

   20. MTMike Tyson2:05

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Uh, your logic made sense, too. You're like, "I don't wanna think about it. I don't wanna be thinking about sex. I'll just get it out of the way."

   22. MTMike Tyson2:11

       Yeah, and it's over with. You don't have-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Yeah.

   24. MTMike Tyson2:13

       ... to do it. You have re- you refuel for the next time six weeks, and just go on with your fight.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Do you think that was a myth, that it made you weak?

   26. MTMike Tyson2:21

       Yeah, I think it's a myth.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:22

       Yeah, doesn't seem to make sense.

   28. TSTom Segura2:24

       It d- it seems odd, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       Yeah.

   30. TSTom Segura2:25

       And then that, like, whenever there's the Olympics-
3. 2:54 – 5:04

   Tyson’s cultural impact and the surreal blur of being a teen superstar

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      When you were, when you were first coming up and when you were first, uh, y- w- we, like, when you were Kid Dynamite on Sports Illustrated, I'll never forget that, man. That was a, that, your era from, like, y- you know, the, the '80s, the late '80s, that era, like, it was a big part of my youth, you know? Like, you being-

   2. MTMike Tyson3:15

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      Yeah, man. You being the champ, it was like, it was a change of things, because when Larry Holmes was the champ, as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes. Like, there's that cover. You were 19 years old, right?

   4. MTMike Tyson3:27

      Yeah.

   5. TSTom Segura3:28

      It's nuts.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:28

      When Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan, I-

   7. MTMike Tyson3:31

      Wow, you still got that stuff, man?

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      You can still get those.

   9. MTMike Tyson3:34

      Yeah?

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       Sports Illustrated, it's the internet. You can find it on the internet. That's how Jamie got it.

   11. MTMike Tyson3:39

       (laughs) Oh, boy.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       (laughs) Um, I had that Sports Illustrated. But when Larry Holmes was a, a champ, uh, as a boxing fan, I appreciated him. I knew he was a great fighter. I, I, you know, we would get together with friends and watch, like, the, the, the Michael Spinks fight with Larry Holmes-

   13. TSTom Segura3:54

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       ... when, when Spinks beat him for the title. It was a big deal, but it wasn't a big deal culturally.

   15. TSTom Segura3:59

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Like, people didn't care as much. But then you came around. And when you came around, all of a sudden everybody's watching heavyweight boxing. It, heavyweight boxing wasn't, it wasn't boring again, it was the m- the most crazy, exciting thing in sports. When your fights would go on, it would be about, "Should I pay for this 'cause how long is this gonna last?" Like, that had never existed.

   17. MTMike Tyson4:22

       Yeah, that's pretty weird. People tell me about that all the time.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Yes.

   19. MTMike Tyson4:24

       They all chipped in and-

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Yeah.

   21. MTMike Tyson4:26

       ... they're trying to fight on this ƒ˜. I never think about it like that, you know? Sometimes, um, when it comes to my realization of the situation, I forget that I'm that guy. I forget that I trained that hard and I became a fighter and stuff.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you. Like, do y- does it seem like a dream?

   23. MTMike Tyson4:42

       Yeah, pretty much like a blur.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Because I, I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old-

   25. TSTom Segura4:51

       (laughs) Dude.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       ... to be that fucking famous.

   27. MTMike Tyson4:53

       It was a trip.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Who, who can handle that? Is there, can anybody handle that?

   29. MTMike Tyson4:57

       It was a trip. No, it was a trip, but it was just what Cus D'Amato, you know, that was his blueprint to make me this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Right.
4. 5:04 – 6:37

   Handling extreme fame: pressure, public behavior, and learning to relax around fans

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame and-

   2. MTMike Tyson5:08

      Oh, the pressure and everything, but, you know, um, he says really there's no, um, ingredients on how to handle fame. You know what I mean? Um, we have to see what, what, what, um, department of fame is your problem, and we have to work on that issue from there. But, you know, the, no one knows how to go conduct themself under that kind of pressure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:28

      No, I couldn't imagine.

   4. TSTom Segura5:29

      It's a, it's the level of fame, too.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      Yes.

   6. TSTom Segura5:31

      It's like there's so many, you realize there's so many levels of fame, and then Mike's is still just extraordinary. Where, like, people s- people walk away from their job, like in an airport, they're supposed to be at the cash register and they run out, you know? (laughs) They leave their job to go say hi. That's not, you know, most of the time you're like, "Oh, that's who that person is." It's a totally different thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:58

      How weird is that?

   8. MTMike Tyson5:59

      That's pretty weird, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      (laughs)

   10. TSTom Segura6:01

       Yeah. (laughs)

   11. MTMike Tyson6:01

       It's pretty... When I took, it took time for me to get used to that stuff. I used to be one of those guys, "Get the fuck away from me, man. What the hell you doing?"

   12. TSTom Segura6:06

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. MTMike Tyson6:06

       "You creep." You know what I mean?

   14. TSTom Segura6:07

       Yeah.

   15. MTMike Tyson6:07

       'Cause I never knew how to conduct myself with some of these-

   16. TSTom Segura6:10

       Yeah.

   17. MTMike Tyson6:10

       They're like, "Mike, come here. Take a picture of my mother, take a picture of my kid, take a picture here, take a picture there, I love you," this and that. And I'm like, "Whoa, dude. Cool out."

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       (laughs)

   19. MTMike Tyson6:17

       You know what I mean? But now, you know, I understand this is just what it is. It is what it is and you're not going to be able to stop it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Yeah, I've seen you at the UFC before.

   21. MTMike Tyson6:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       You're very calm around people. When people grabbing at you, want to take pictures-

   23. MTMike Tyson6:28

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       ... you just, just relax.

   25. MTMike Tyson6:29

       The UFC is awesome because everybody's nuts there. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       (laughs) Yeah, that's a a- it's a, it's definitely a wild environment.

5. 6:37 – 11:34

   UFC detour: Khabib’s future, Jon Jones’ greatness, and controversy cycles

   1. MTMike Tyson6:37

      What do you think Khabib's going to do now?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      What do I think who? Khabib?

   3. MTMike Tyson6:41

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Um, (smacks lips) well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do, that's what I think. I think that guy's, phhh, probably the best lightweight of all time. He's a monster.

   5. MTMike Tyson6:49

      Incredible.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      He, um ... I think he's probably gonna have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine. At 155 there's, you know, there's good fights for him. Tony Ferguson's a great fight for him, um, I'm really interested in seeing that. Uh, I'm really interested in seeing him going up. I'm really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds, there's a lot to fight for-

   7. MTMike Tyson7:08

      Who looked good from the fight?

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley who's the champ-

   9. MTMike Tyson7:13

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       ... at 170, that would, that would be an insane fight. Georges St-Pierre if he decided to come back and make a big super fight, that would be an insane fight. I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him, but I think 155 does too, they just have to figure out who's gonna fight him. He's an international superstar now. You know, Khabib especially the way he smashed Conor. Conor's such a superstar already, that the way Khabib won and did it so dominant, (clears throat) I think he's, I think he's through the roof now. I think when people ... When he comes back and people see the pay-per-view numbers of his fights, they're gonna realize how, how huge this guy is. Because he's so interesting. He's very humble, very, very, uh, he's very polite, very well-spoken, a very religious guy, lives with his family, lives with his parents.

   11. MTMike Tyson7:56

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Lives with his parents and his family I believe.

   13. MTMike Tyson7:59

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       I hope I'm not speaking out of school.

   15. MTMike Tyson8:00

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       I believe that's true. And obviously doesn't have to from money. I mean, he's rich as shit now.

   17. MTMike Tyson8:05

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       But he's just a monster. The best, best grappler I've ever seen inside the 155 pound division. He just smashes people, he's-

   19. MTMike Tyson8:11

       What do you think about Jon Jones, though?

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:13

       What i- in what way?

   21. MTMike Tyson8:14

       In his skill, his skills.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       He's phenomenal.

   23. MTMike Tyson8:17

       Incredible.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       The best ever at using distance. He knows distance better than anybody. He's a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him.

   25. MTMike Tyson8:24

       Yeah, I miss watching him fight, you know what I mean? He's not fighting much anymore.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       He's back.

   27. MTMike Tyson8:28

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       He just won, he just won the title again. Just fought Alexander Gustafsson.

   29. MTMike Tyson8:30

       When did he fight? Yeah?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:31

       Yeah, a couple weeks ago. Yeah.
6. 11:34 – 14:55

   ‘Tiger in the limo’ lore: how Tyson actually got tigers (and why rich people do)

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Charlie Murphy told us a story and it's animated, it's on YouTube now, of you and him coming over to your house (laughs) in a limousine and you had a ... It was ... Was it a lion or a tiger?

   2. MTMike Tyson11:42

      Tiger.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      (laughs)

   4. MTMike Tyson11:43

      He must thought it was a lion so he had to bring you the tiger. (laughs) Dude.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:47

      It is one of the craziest fucking stories.

   6. MTMike Tyson11:49

      I always ... When ... So for people that don't know, I got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time, and it was a great ... I had the best time talking to you about everything. What made you think you could get a tiger?

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:00

      (laughs)

   8. MTMike Tyson12:00

      Like how did that even happen?

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:02

      (laughs)

   10. MTMike Tyson12:02

       Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm in, um ... This is really interesting.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       Right?

   12. MTMike Tyson12:06

       And, and so, um, I'm in prison at the time. So I'm in prison and I'm talking to my car dealer at the time and he has this ... He had some-... cars that belonged to a friend of mines, they're supposed to friends of ours, and he's discussing that if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to sell these cars to somebody and get some horses and stuff. I said, "What? You can get horses?"

   13. TSTom Segura12:25

       (laughs)

   14. MTMike Tyson12:25

       "And trade horses in for cars?" Because I had a lot of cars, so I said, "I'll probably get some horses, too."

   15. TSTom Segura12:30

       (laughs)

   16. GUGuest12:30

       (laughs)

   17. MTMike Tyson12:30

       And he said, "Yeah, man, you can get, you can get cougars, lions, tigers." I know this guy got excited. I said, "You do? Can you get me some tigers?"

   18. TSTom Segura12:36

       (laughs)

   19. MTMike Tyson12:37

       He said, "Yeah."

   20. GUGuest12:37

       What?

   21. MTMike Tyson12:37

       And the guy told me- and the guy said, "Man, imagine how cool that'd be if you-" Because I had a bunch of fancy cars. "Imagine that, man, you being in a Aston Martin or a Ferrari and you have a tiger right next to you, man."

   22. TSTom Segura12:45

       (laughs)

   23. GUGuest12:46

       (laughs)

   24. MTMike Tyson12:46

       "That would be so awesome." And I'm a young guy, I'm sitting- I'm saying to myself, "Wow, that would be cool," right?

   25. GUGuest12:51

       Oh.

   26. MTMike Tyson12:51

       I said, "Yeah, get me some cubs, man."

   27. GUGuest12:53

       Oh, my God.

   28. MTMike Tyson12:53

       And then, uh, when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me.

   29. GUGuest12:56

       So you raised them as cubs?

   30. MTMike Tyson12:57

       Yeah.
7. 14:55 – 20:11

   Peak-money chaos: the Robin Givens crash and ‘giving the cops the car’ (then taking it back)

   1. TSTom Segura14:55

      Wait, one other thing. I gotta- 'cause I gotta run and I wanted... I- I had to ask.

   2. MTMike Tyson14:58

      Where you going, man?

   3. TSTom Segura14:58

      I gotta go-

   4. GUGuest14:59

      (laughs)

   5. TSTom Segura14:59

      ... I gotta go meet the wife, man. Uh-

   6. MTMike Tyson15:01

      Oh, yeah. That'll do it too.

   7. TSTom Segura15:01

      But they'll do it.

   8. GUGuest15:02

      (laughs)

   9. TSTom Segura15:03

      Um, I read one time... 'Cause... All right, so for people that know, I- I met Mike on a flight and it was a surreal experience. You know, like, from- from being a kid and thinking like, "This is s- Superman." That's what I thought as a kid. I- it's just- you know what I mean? Like, seeing those-

   10. GUGuest15:18

       Yeah.

   11. TSTom Segura15:18

       When you see it as a kid too, I think it's different, like, you're just like, "Whoa, that is so nuts." Like, these 11-second knockouts and shit.

   12. MTMike Tyson15:24

       And you know what's so bizarre? Periodically, even to this day, people come up to me and talk about the experience they had. They saw him and he talked about meeting me. He said, "Is that true?"

   13. GUGuest15:32

       (laughs)

   14. TSTom Segura15:33

       (laughs)

   15. MTMike Tyson15:34

       All the time, right?

   16. GUGuest15:35

       It's on a special. It's on Whis- it's on, uh, it's on most of the stories.

   17. TSTom Segura15:38

       It's on Whisperer stories.

   18. MTMike Tyson15:38

       People ask me, "Is that true?"

   19. GUGuest15:39

       Yeah, mostly stories.

   20. MTMike Tyson15:40

       "Did you meet him?"

   21. TSTom Segura15:41

       And it was, uh- it was a surreal experience and- and, you know, we spoke on the plane. And- and then, like, when I thought we were done talking, you know, I- I faced forward and then he came back and, like, tapped me on the shoulder. I was like, "Oh, shit."

   22. GUGuest15:52

       (laughs)

   23. TSTom Segura15:53

       Like, Mike's talking to me, I'm down here, like, seatbelt- seatbelted in. But then we land and- and he was like, "Oh, where's your show?" And- and- and I go, "Oh, here, it's here." I give him the number. Never expect to hear. Hits me up the next day and he's like, "We're coming to your show." And I was like, "Oh, my God." And I really did say, like, "I'm amazed that you're coming." And he said, "It's all love." And I just said, "I love you."

   24. GUGuest16:15

       (laughs)

   25. MTMike Tyson16:15

       (laughs)

   26. TSTom Segura16:15

       'Cause I didn't know how to- how to... what to say.

   27. GUGuest16:19

       (laughs) (claps hands)

   28. MTMike Tyson16:19

       (laughs)

   29. TSTom Segura16:19

       And then-

   30. MTMike Tyson16:19

       That was good. That was cool.
8. 20:11 – 21:39

   Tyson Ranch: turning cannabis into a new life project

   1. MTMike Tyson20:11

      Listen, I gotta tell you something, I gotta tell you something. You guys know I embarked on the marijuana business?

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:14

      Yes.

   3. GUGuest20:14

      Yes.

   4. MTMike Tyson20:14

      The cannabis business, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:15

      This, this, uh, beautiful box that you gave me-

   6. GUGuest20:17

      That is a beautiful box, by the way.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:19

      ... thank you so much for that. Tyson Ranch.

   8. MTMike Tyson20:19

      Man, that's so awesome. Thank you, man, for accepting it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:22

      My pleasure. I'm honored.

   10. GUGuest20:24

       Yes. That's a cool ass box, man.

   11. MTMike Tyson20:25

       Yeah, Tyson Ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       Yeah, you guys have-

   13. MTMike Tyson20:30

       In 2002.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       I saw the plans.

   15. MTMike Tyson20:31

       I mean, 2022.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       This is a big deal. I mean-

   17. GUGuest20:34

       Really?

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       ... this place is gigantic.

   19. GUGuest20:35

       Which, uh, state?

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       It's, it's in California.

   21. GUGuest20:37

       It is here? Oh, cool.

   22. MTMike Tyson20:39

       California, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       Yeah. They're, they're setting up, like, a resort.

   24. GUGuest20:42

       Really?

   25. MTMike Tyson20:42

       Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's going to be the best, um, facility in the world, man. It's gonna be, um, it's gonna have like an acre-long, um, lake.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:51

       Wow.

   27. MTMike Tyson20:52

       Yeah. It's gonna have-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       And you can go, like, stay.

   29. MTMike Tyson20:53

       Go camping. You know it's going to be camping, glamping, like...

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       Glamping. Glamorous camping.
9. 21:39 – 23:55

   Weed as emotional regulation: childhood trauma, mood, and violence wiring

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:39

      Yeah. When did you start, like, regularly smoking weed?

   2. MTMike Tyson21:42

      Um, since I was like 10 years old.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:43

      (laughs) The whole time we were fighting you were regularly smoking weed?

   4. MTMike Tyson21:46

      Well, you know when you're a kid your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for you to make you think that you're gonna go to sleep or something? Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:52

      Really?

   6. MTMike Tyson21:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:53

      That never happened in my house.

   8. MTMike Tyson21:54

      Never, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:55

      No.

   10. MTMike Tyson21:55

       My mother was an alcoholic and stuff.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:57

       Damn. That's, that's harsh. Liquor and marijuana, see if you can go to sleep.

   12. MTMike Tyson22:02

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       It didn't work?

   14. MTMike Tyson22:05

       I don't think so. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       No. No.

   16. MTMike Tyson22:06

       I don't think so.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       Do you, uh... What, what, what benefits do you get out of marijuana? Like, what does it do for you?

   18. MTMike Tyson22:12

       Hey man, um, if I didn't have a bad day. Yeah, I'm really moody guy without it. And it just, um, it smooths me out. As soon as I take it, I'm a whole different person. I'm really-

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Yeah.

   20. MTMike Tyson22:24

       ... on top of my game. I'm boiling.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes. It makes me nicer.

   22. MTMike Tyson22:29

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Yeah. Calms me down. Do you, um, do you smoke-

   24. MTMike Tyson22:34

       And I like who I am when I smoke. You know what I mean? When I'm, when I weed, I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes. That's just the real something.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:41

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. MTMike Tyson22:41

       I don't like that guy. I want to get away from that guy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       Well, you know, I was talking to Michael Irvin once. He was, uh, explaining to me that when children grow up in high stress environments that their genes are wired to, to have a propensity towards violence. That if they're norm- if it's normal, it's around them all the time when they're, when they're growing up and when they're in the womb even.

   28. MTMike Tyson22:59

       Yeah, I agree.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:00

       When their mothers under extreme stress-

   30. MTMike Tyson23:02

       Yeah, I agree.
10. 23:55 – 26:45

    The ‘toad’ (5-MeO-DMT): ego death, rebirth, and why psychedelics feel cosmic

    1. MTMike Tyson23:55

       ... I'm the best that ever lived," and all this bullshit. And, um, dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happened to embark on this, um... come across this thing called the toad. Are you familiar with the toad?

    2. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       Yeah. What you're talking about is 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine.

    3. MTMike Tyson24:12

       Oh, that's it right there. Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan24:13

       Yeah.

    5. MTMike Tyson24:14

       And I came across that and, um, I, I smoked this, um... I don't know, this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it, and stuff. And, um...... I've never been the same. I look at life different, I look at people differently. And, um, it's an experience I can't even express really. It's almost like dying and being real- reborn.

    6. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       Yeah. Um, I had the exact same experience. That's what it felt like to me, too, like you stop existing. The five-methoxy is, uh, there's two- (phone ringing)

    7. MTMike Tyson24:43

       (phone ringing) Tell me what's the deal with it. What the hell is going on here?

    8. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       (laughs) Five-methoxy's produced by your brain, but, uh, what it is, is, uh, it's DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it. And so regular DMT is N,N-dimethyltryptamine. And then five-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine is D- DMT with like a very... There's a very subtle change to the molecule. And that subtle change, for some reason, takes away the visuals. You've done regular DMT too, right?

    9. MTMike Tyson25:10

       Yes.

    10. JRJoe Rogan25:11

        Regular DMT is rich with visuals, very strange, bright, colorful, impossible-to-describe visuals.

    11. MTMike Tyson25:17

        It's in- yes, um, it's inconceivable.

    12. JRJoe Rogan25:19

        Inconceivable is the best way to put it.

    13. MTMike Tyson25:21

        Yeah, inconceivable.

    14. JRJoe Rogan25:22

        Yeah. But the-

    15. MTMike Tyson25:22

        I try to explain it to some people, my wife and I, it's, it's just, I don't have the words to explain it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan25:27

        That's exactly what I always say. I've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody.

    17. MTMike Tyson25:30

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan25:30

        Every time I've tried, it just doesn't work. Um, but the- all those things, they- they give you perspective.

    19. MTMike Tyson25:36

        It's almost like you're dying, you- you- you- you're submissive, you're humble, you know, you're vulnerable, but you're invincible still and all, you know?

    20. JRJoe Rogan25:45

        Mm-hmm.

    21. MTMike Tyson25:45

        It's just that weird feeling.

    22. JRJoe Rogan25:47

        Well, you feel like you're part of the universe. When you're- you're separate from your ego, you realize this whole thing, you're a part of this whole thing, and this whole thing is unstoppable. It's just- it's a gigantic, huge, all-encompassing, almost like a- a living thing, life.

    23. MTMike Tyson26:02

        And you know, Joe, and this is what I also realized too after going through the experience, you realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego.

    24. JRJoe Rogan26:09

        Yes.

    25. MTMike Tyson26:10

        You know? You realize-

    26. JRJoe Rogan26:11

        Yes.

    27. MTMike Tyson26:11

        ... why, you're not really much that you really thought you were.

    28. JRJoe Rogan26:14

        Yeah. You are and you aren't. Obviously, you are in everyday life. I mean, you go places, you have a dramatic effect on people.

    29. MTMike Tyson26:20

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan26:20

        You mean a lot. You mean a lot to those people that you run into. You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you. But we all do, and when- no one stand- no, it's all, it's all relative. No one, n- no one is irreplaceable, but everyone is special to someone or something and at least to themselves.
11. 26:45 – 45:10

    Cus D’Amato’s mindset engineering: ‘nothingness,’ obsession, and hypnosis training

    1. MTMike Tyson26:45

       You know, it's so odd that you say that. My- my mentor, Cus D'Amato, his objective was to think of nothing. You're nothing, nothing's nothing but the objective, the job.

    2. JRJoe Rogan26:53

       Mm-hmm.

    3. MTMike Tyson26:53

       And that was his psychological warfare. You know, nothing matters. You're nothing, nothing, the only thing that matters is the objective and getting through accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy?

    5. MTMike Tyson27:07

       (inhales deeply) Listen, um, to this day, I really don't understand that. I thought, "How did this happen?" 'Cause I-

    6. JRJoe Rogan27:12

       'Cause so many people-

    7. MTMike Tyson27:13

       ... listened, by the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born.

    8. JRJoe Rogan27:17

       Yeah. Crazy. So many people could, you know...

    9. MTMike Tyson27:21

       Can't even explain it. It's a magnificent individual.

    10. JRJoe Rogan27:25

        He was an amazing guy. An amazing part of boxing and, um, uh, with a unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports. That was the thing that- that always sh- really stood out about him. Like, he was a guy that was so... He was so well-versed in the mindset. I would listen to his- his speeches that he would talk, when he would talk about you and he would talk about boxing, he would talk about fear, about how fear can be like a fire, it can cook your few- your food or it can burn your house down.

    11. MTMike Tyson27:56

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan27:57

        And you have to- you have to control it. And when he would describe it like, it would- it would be so enlightening. He was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things, they would sink in. They would- they would- they would, e- e- somebody could say the same thing, but they w- with him, he had so much life experience.

    13. MTMike Tyson28:11

        He was so many hats. He was a psychiatrist-

    14. JRJoe Rogan28:13

        Yeah.

    15. MTMike Tyson28:13

        ... he was a doctor, he was a father, he was a mother. You know, he was just all around that individual.

    16. JRJoe Rogan28:19

        Yeah. And with a- an amazing knowledge of boxing. And for a guy like you, it was almost like it was ordained.

    17. MTMike Tyson28:25

        And, uh, that's what I always said, it was meant for me to meet this guy. 'Cause I had no way in a million years... Everybody would say, "No way you're going to be champ, you're too small."

    18. JRJoe Rogan28:33

        Yeah.

    19. MTMike Tyson28:33

        Say, "You're too short. No way, these guys are too big for you." People would say, "This is the greatest fight ever lived, this and this," they're always saying this about me. I'm like, "Oh God, this guy's just souping me up." I never thought I could-

    20. JRJoe Rogan28:42

        (laughs)

    21. MTMike Tyson28:42

        ... you know, achieve what he was saying, 'cause the things he was saying were just so, um, gigantic in my eyes at the time.

    22. JRJoe Rogan28:47

        Yeah. Yeah, I mean, when it all happened and it turned out that he was true and you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old. You know, it's- I- I always say this about Justin Bieber, and I don't- I don't think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with. Your- your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy, you were the baddest man on the planet, so there was like an aura to you everywhere you went. People wanted to see you. You know, 50-year-old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber, you know? No- no disrespect. He's a great guy, a great singer, but it's not- he's like young girls. For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous. But he's f- he's been famous since he was a little kid. Like h- who- who- when people hear about him going crazy-

    23. MTMike Tyson29:29

        That's amazing, right?

    24. JRJoe Rogan29:30

        Amazing. When people hear about him going insane, I'm like, "Of course he's going insane." You have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw pussy at him. They're coming down chimneys, they're flying in on parachutes, they're doing anything they can. They just want to be around him. And you want him to be normal?

    25. MTMike Tyson29:50

        Oh, poor Justin.

    26. JRJoe Rogan29:50

        (laughs)

    27. MTMike Tyson29:50

        Oh, man. Poor guy.

    28. JRJoe Rogan29:53

        No one can handle that.

    29. MTMike Tyson29:55

        What kind of music are you listening to?

    30. JRJoe Rogan29:57

        I listen to everything, man. I do.
12. 45:10 – 55:46

    Fear, fighting identity, and why Tyson avoids boxing (and even workouts) today

    1. MTMike Tyson45:10

       Hey, how- did you ever do any fighting?

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:12

       I did kickboxing and TaeKwonDo tournaments.

    3. MTMike Tyson45:15

       Tell me about that.

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       I was, uh... I was pretty good at TaeKwonDo. I won a bunch of state championships.

    5. MTMike Tyson45:20

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       And I won a few, few national tournaments.

    7. MTMike Tyson45:23

       When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff? 'Cause, you know, you can't be in right frame of mind to want to do this stuff.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       No.

    9. MTMike Tyson45:29

       You gotta realize that.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        I was, uh, very scared.

    11. MTMike Tyson45:31

        People that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:33

        Yeah.

    13. MTMike Tyson45:34

        And that's... Dealing with fear drives you insane.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:36

        Yeah.

    15. MTMike Tyson45:36

        To deal with that drives people insane. I was insane during my career. Just madly insane from fear.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:42

        Yeah. Obviously, I never went through anything like the level that you went through. But for these full contact TaeKwonDo fights, I was always scared, and, uh... But I was scared before that. I was bullied.

    17. MTMike Tyson45:52

        (sighs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        I moved around a lot. I was a little kid. I was never very big. And we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14 or 13. So it's just always moving to new schools-

    19. MTMike Tyson46:08

        (sighs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan46:08

        ... always dealing with new kids, and I wasn't big, and I didn't know how to fight, and I got picked on, and I didn't like it. So I said, "I wanna... I wanna figure out how to fight." And so I started getting into martial arts, and I just became obsessed with it. I did it every day. I started teaching. I was teaching at Boston University. I was teaching a TaeKwonDo course when I was 19. I was competing from the time I was 15. I just threw myself into it. That's all I did every day. I worked at the school. I was there every day. I had the keys. I closed up, I opened up. But where I... And because of you, because of hearing about you when you... when you were running in the morning, when you knew that everybody else was asleep, that gave you an edge. I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work out. I just wanted to just have an edge, you know. And I listened to what you said, and I said, "That's a great way to have an edge." I became obsessed with it, but there was n- no future in it. And then (sighs) what happened was I went from TaeKwonDo to kickboxing. And when I started kickboxing, I started getting fucked up.

    21. MTMike Tyson46:59

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:59

        Dudes were beating the shit out of me because I was realizing, like, I can't keep people at the same distance anymore because I didn't know how to use my hands properly. Like, I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from TaeKwonDo, but it's not nearly sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing. And so then I started kickboxing training, and then I started realizing, like, "Uh, there's no future in this. Like, what am I doing?"

    23. MTMike Tyson47:17

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:17

        "I'm just getting my brains beat in, you know." And I'm, uh, hard sparring too. The sparring was rough. It was Boston style, put the gloves on, beat the shit out of each other. Figure it out as you go along.

    25. MTMike Tyson47:28

        Yeah, you ain't gonna learn shit.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        (laughs)

    27. MTMike Tyson47:29

        You figure it out as you go along.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:30

        Figure it out as you go along. So a lot of headaches and-

    29. MTMike Tyson47:32

        (sighs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        ... you know. But it was, um... It was hard for me to, to shut that, that part of me off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer. The part of me that just wanted to win all the time, to figure out a way to be more intense, more driven, more focused. But when I did stop fighting, it was a huge relief. Like, the relief part was worth the, the extra anxiety that I got. It was worth it just for the relief of not, not thinking about fighting all the time. Not thinking about, "When's the next tournament? When's the next event? When's the next thing I'm doing?" It was just that-
13. 55:46 – 1:18:28

    Retirement honesty, rebuilding through theater, and the Hollywood biopic problem

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:46

       But when you did retire, and when you-

    2. MTMike Tyson55:47

       Uh-huh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:47

       ... retired in the ring, that was the most honest retirement speech I've ever heard a boxer give, ever. He's just like, "I don't, I don't have this in me anymore."

    4. MTMike Tyson55:55

       No, it just wasn't there anymore. Just, just, um, that was pretty bizarre for myself even, you know? 'Cause this is what I based my life on doing. I ... It's when I first started doing, I said, "I'm gonna dedicate my life to this stuff." And just to see that it's not even, um, it's no longer gonna happen was pretty weird.

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       When did you know that you didn't wanna do it anymore?

    6. MTMike Tyson56:13

       Oh, I've known years before that, but I was still being very successful.

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:16

       Yeah. Like when?

    8. MTMike Tyson56:17

       You know?

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:17

       Like what year? Like w- do you remember around when you started thinking it?

    10. MTMike Tyson56:21

        I remember. I remember probably around, what, the 2000 area? In 2000.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:26

        So by the time ... That, that's post-Holyfield?

    12. MTMike Tyson56:30

        Yeah, after Holyfield.

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        Yeah. And you just, you had done too much.

    14. MTMike Tyson56:34

        I was just winning them.

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:35

        Yeah.

    16. MTMike Tyson56:35

        Just winning, beating guys, you know, guys get hit or something, and some guys would be so scared.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:41

        Yeah. What did, what did you have in mind? Like that's the hardest thing, right, to, to swing from that to the next thing. Like how do you take, how do you take this crazy exciting life and-

    18. MTMike Tyson56:51

        I don't know. I just decided that, "Listen, let me just get high for a while and figure this out."

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:57

        That was the plan?

    20. MTMike Tyson56:57

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:58

        (laughs)

    22. MTMike Tyson56:58

        "Let me party for a while and figure this stuff out."

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:02

        What did you figure out?

    24. MTMike Tyson57:04

        Um, that, uh, I wanted to do other things, so I started ... My wife, um, arranged for me to be this thespian on stage.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        That ... The, the, she pro- created the live show?

    26. MTMike Tyson57:15

        Yeah, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:16

        That's a brilliant idea. 'Cause you're also the first fighter that ever did that. 'Cause m- many fighters have great stories, but very few of them have ever ... I don't think anybody besides you has ever put it into a theatrical thing.

    28. MTMike Tyson57:25

        We went all over, see if we could do that. Man, it's just amazing. We did it in Monaco, we did it in Rome, we did it um, at, uh, um, amount of various places. And, um, I just can't believe that people wanted to see that stuff.

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:37

        Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing, so people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it, and to see you live in person.

    30. MTMike Tyson57:44

        (inhales) 'Cause the first time we did it, um ... The first time we did it, um, on Broadway that is, right, we were really s- not s- uh, sure about how it was gonna turn out. So we invited all of our friends. We had tickets and gave all to our friends and people we love, like neighbors, and we brought them to the show. And so when we started, they started laughing. Everybody started laughing. So I ran to my wi- wife, I ran upstairs, "Baby, what's going on? Is everything okay?" 'Cause, you know, I, I didn't want the show to be a f- comedy. It turned out-

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