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Joe Rogan Experience #1229 - Richard Rawlings

Richard Rawlings is the owner of Gas Monkey Garage. He can be seen on "Garage Rehab" & "Fast N Loud" on the Discovery Channel.

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Jan 23, 20192h 58mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:044:16

    Rawlings’ path to Gas Monkey and the “family-friendly” car show angle

    1. JR

      Three, two, one, boom. And we're live. What's happening? How are you?

    2. RR

      What's... Hi, man. I am just stoked to be here.

    3. JR

      I'm stoked to have you here, man. It's a pleasure to meet you. I love your show.

    4. RR

      Thank you.

    5. JR

      It's fun. It's a fun fucking car show.

    6. RR

      It really is, man. I tell-

    7. JR

      It is.

    8. RR

      I tell people I might be the smartest guy in the world. I figured out how to drink beer and play with cars and get paid for it. (laughs)

    9. JR

      (laughs) Yeah, but it's like, it's a fun show. It's like, you, you're not taking yourself too seriously, you're having a good time, you know, you're buying and selling awesome cars.

    10. RR

      Oh, yeah, for sure. It's, uh, it, it was a dream of mine to get it done. It took eight years to, uh, get it sold, but here we are now.

    11. JR

      Did it really?

    12. RR

      Yeah, I started this, I started pitching the show in 2004, and we didn't start til, uh, 2008, or 2012.

    13. JR

      What were you doing before that?

    14. RR

      Uh, before television, or-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. RR

      ... before Gas Monkey?

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. RR

      Uh, I kinda had two stages in life. I was a firefighter, police officer, and medic before I was old enough to drink. I mean, I'm talking 19 years old, carrying a gun. Probably wasn't the smartest thing for them to let me do. And then, um-

    19. JR

      They gonna let you have a beer when you were 19?

    20. RR

      I had a badge. I was a cop. (laughs)

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. RR

      I mean, literally, I was a police officer and, uh, so by the time I was 20 I was also a firefighter and, uh... So I did that for a while, and then, uh, moved into printing and advertising, and, uh, then sold that and got into this.

    23. JR

      So was it just like something you were just always into cars and that's what led you to the show?

    24. RR

      You know, how would I tell the story diplomatically? Um, realistically, I was watching the shows that were on TV at the time. I've always been a car nut and a motorcycle guy, and what have you, and I realized one night that my kids are never in the room watching it, and my wife's not in the room watching it, you know? And, uh, the shows that we're on were a little bit too much bravado. And, and I'm a tough guy, and, you know, so I dug it and all my buddies dug it, but their wives and stuff and I was like, "Golly, they're missing a big chunk of the market here. If you could tone down that part of it a little bit, and still have a cool brand, and still be a cool guy, you know, and get the moms and the kids in the room, hopefully it's a lot more successful." And so that's-

    25. JR

      Mm.

    26. RR

      That was kinda where the idea came from and I just went out and started it.

    27. JR

      That's interesting. So the marketing side of you kicked in?

    28. RR

      Uh-huh.

    29. JR

      So the marketing side of you went, "Oh, I think there's another way to do this."

    30. RR

      Yeah, I mean, I'm still a tattooed guy with some jewelry, but you know, I got a pit bull on a... (laughs) I got a poodle on a leash, not a pit bull on a chain, you know? (laughs)

  2. 4:167:20

    Classic muscle cars, modern horsepower, and why 700+ HP is risky

    1. JR

      Wow, yeah, that car, those, uh... I mean, I've said this on the show a million times, I'm a giant fan of like the, the time period of 1965 to somewhere around like '71, they fell apart.

    2. RR

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    3. JR

      You know? Like you still get a '71 Challenger or a '71 Barracuda that's still pretty sweet.

    4. RR

      For sure. (laughs)

    5. JR

      But then you get into like '72, '73...

    6. RR

      They had to start putting the big bumpers on there with the shocks-

    7. JR

      Everything, yeah, with those-

    8. RR

      ... and everything just got ugly.

    9. JR

      (groans) It just fell apart.

    10. RR

      Then you got the gas crunch and then everything got four cylinders, and it was, it was a bad time in the late '70s for sure.

    11. JR

      It was a bad time, but it's a good time now. It's a really interesting, really interesting time now for muscle cars. It's, the race is so crazy that they're putting out street legal cars you can buy from a dealer with 700 plus horsepower and almost every dealer has one now.

    12. RR

      Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I've got a Demon myself. (laughs)

    13. JR

      It's just crazy.

    14. RR

      And that's 808 horsepower. (laughs)

    15. JR

      That's fucking crazy. Now the new GT500 is out and that's gonna have over 700 horsepower.

    16. RR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      You know, you have the, the Camaro L, uh, the, um, what is it? 1LE? It's the... No. What? What is it? LT1 1LE? No, what the, what the fuck is the name of the-

    18. RR

      It's something like that.

    19. JR

      ZL1 1LE.

    20. RR

      ZL, yeah, that's it.

    21. JR

      Yeah, ZL1 1LE, which is 650 horsepower, and then the new, uh, ZR1, that's 750 horsepower. They're just preposterous.

    22. RR

      Oh, it's, it's, uh, I think (laughs) it could be a little dangerous, you know, with everybody out there thinking, "Hey, I can drive a 700 horsepower car," because it's, it's completely different than, you know, a normal one.

    23. JR

      Well, did you see the video of the guy from, um, one of the head guys at GM who took it on a track like one of the first days they were releasing the car and he spun out on the first turn and slammed into the wall? (laughs)

    24. RR

      (laughs) Well, I can't say much, I wrecked a brand new Hellcat the other day racing at Woodward. (laughs)

    25. JR

      Did you really?

    26. RR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    27. JR

      Oh, no.

    28. RR

      I went to Woodward Dream Cruise and they had a little celebrity match up and I was racing, uh, and just lost it and hit the wall, took out the whole side of the car. (laughs)

    29. JR

      Were you on a track or were you on a strip?

    30. RR

      It was a street track, uh, that they had right there on Woodward Avenue. So they put up the blocks and you take off.

  3. 7:208:54

    How Gas Monkey builds cars in 25 days: planning, parts, and process discipline

    1. JR

      Now, you guys make some fucking great builds too, you know, you guys have done some really sweet custom builds. Like, y- you were telling me outside that the longest you do a build for is 25 days.

    2. RR

      Uh, we've got it down to about 25 from 32-ish when we started. Uh, so when you see a car on the show, um, if it's a single episode, th- then we built that car in 25, 26 days.

    3. JR

      That's crazy.

    4. RR

      Start to finish, paint, interior, everything.

    5. JR

      How do you do it so quick?

    6. RR

      Uh, a lot of planning and, and we've learned over seven years now and 130 of 'em, that, um, you know, we've just got our process in, and the crew that I have at the shop now is unbelievably phenomenal. And there's only six guys doing it. There's six guys that do it, 25 days we're done.

    7. JR

      That's insane. But what about like if you're gonna do like a custom suspension or, you know, Art Mor- Morrison chassis or something like that?

    8. RR

      It just takes some planning. So literally what we do is we build the car three times. This is what I tell everybody. We'll say, "Okay, we're gonna build this '68 Chevelle." Uh, and so we decide how we're gonna build it and what kind of parts we're gonna use, what kind of suspension, wheels, motor. We, we put all that down on paper and then if it works mathematically for the project we wanna do, then, um, I go find the car. Then when I find the car, we order every single part, and we don't start that car until every single thing that was on that list is in house, has been checked, and we're ready to go.

    9. JR

      Mm.

    10. RR

      So now all we've got is actual fabrication time and human error, and we're ready to go.

    11. JR

      Still seems like such a short amount of time. I mean, all the builds that I've seen take seven months, nine months, a year.

  4. 8:5418:19

    Extreme builds: Hellcat swaps, “Hell Scout,” and a 1300 HP Riviera vision

    1. RR

      It's just the shops are set up differently. Uh, it may be one or two guys, or maybe they've got kind of, you know, assembly programs going on or what have you. But we get in there like... You'll love the one we're building right now. Uh, we're building a '77 International Scout and, uh, started with a really nice one, orange, white stripes, plaid interior. I mean, the whole ball of wax. Whack the, the, uh, chassis out from under it, put in a full Chris Austin, uh, Chassis Works chassis with, uh, only two-wheel drive, and it's all 2018 Hellcat eight-speed automatic-

    2. JR

      Oh, Jesus.

    3. RR

      ... in it and slammed on the ground. But it's still a removable top and what... It was a great California truck, I can guarantee you that.

    4. JR

      Oh, wow. So you made it s- so you lowered it?

    5. RR

      Yeah, we're calling it the Hell Scout.

    6. JR

      Ah. (laughs) Wow, that's pretty badass.

    7. RR

      It, it's gonna be a wicked car.

    8. JR

      Yeah, those, uh, Hellcat chassis, um, uh, D- D- Jonathan Ward, the same guy who's doing this, his, uh, who d- who did my Bronco, the Icon.

    9. RR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      They're doing that with, uh, one of the, I think it's a Superbird. Uh, one of th- one of those iconic Mopars-

    11. RR

      Yep.

    12. JR

      ... from the, the late '60s, early '70s. They're doing a full Hellcat chassis and the whole deal with that.

    13. RR

      Oh, really?

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. RR

      That'd be wicked.

    16. JR

      Yeah. Um, what, what company was the first one to really get stupid with these cars? I guess it was kind of Corvette with the ZR1 with horsepower figures.

    17. RR

      Yeah, for sure. Corvette got, stepped out there with the ZR1 and started cranking it up. Uh, everybody was kinda in production. You had s- you had the resurgence of, uh, Shelby.

    18. JR

      Yeah, there it is. There's Jonathan Ward's-

    19. RR

      Wow.

    20. JR

      Look at that thing.

    21. RR

      That's good looking.

    22. JR

      That is like literally like trying to have a block, like a city block on wheels, that you take around a corner. Look how long that goddamn thing is. (laughs)

    23. RR

      Yeah, that's gonna be a fresh car.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. RR

      For sure.

    26. JR

      Badass. He does some awesome shit over there too. He's, uh, he's doing some... Well, he's doing one that I don't think he can talk about. I think he's, he's keeping it under wraps but he's got a bunch of cool shit.

    27. RR

      Yeah, for sure.

    28. JR

      Have you ever been there?

    29. RR

      I have not, but-

    30. JR

      It's right down the street.

  5. 18:1939:01

    Restomods vs originals, the end of manuals, and “played out” hero-car builds

    1. JR

      Yeah, but it's, uh, it's a really interesting time too, for r- resto mods, you know, because so many people are, are into that now. They realize that, uh, they, they like the looks of those old cars, but they're not really into the way they drove.

    2. RR

      Correct. Everybody's about comfort and Bluetooth and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, uh, I'm not really that way. I'm a '32 Ford nut, and I kinda like cars the way that they more or less came out. I mean, I'm all for maybe some disc brakes or safety or whatever, but I like the squeaking and having to learn how to drive it and figure it out and-

    3. JR

      The character of it.

    4. RR

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. RR

      I don't-

    7. JR

      Manual transmissions.

    8. RR

      Exactly.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. RR

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      How m- how much longer before the manual's dead?

    12. RR

      I think it's already got the nails in the coffin. Um-

    13. JR

      Seems like it, but then, you know, like, American cars, they'll come out with cars like the GT350. You can't even get it with an automatic. Fuck off.

    14. RR

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Th- they won't even sell it to you.

    16. RR

      Yeah, and they're gonna hold on with that as long as they can. But, you know, your big competition cars, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. RR

      ... th- uh, you know, it's, you can't get a man- a manual.

    19. JR

      Wow, everybody wants that Nurburgring time, you know?

    20. RR

      Uh-huh.

    21. JR

      They all want that super fast Nurburgring time, and unless you have a double clutch transmission, unless you have paddle shifts, you're just-

    22. RR

      You can't get there.

    23. JR

      ... you're gonna miss a second here, a second there, and then people are gonna look at it when they... It's so ridiculous that people, like, look at those times-

    24. RR

      Yeah, 'cause the average Joe ain't going out there and doing that. (laughs)

    25. JR

      (laughs) I mean, the modern cars, I mean, like the ZL1 that we were talking about earlier, I think they're down to... The 1LE, I think is down to a seven-minute and, and real low seconds Nurburgring time, which is fucking crazy. That's faster than a GT3 RS from a couple of years ago.

    26. RR

      For sure.

    27. JR

      For a $60,000 car that you could buy at a Chevy dealership.

    28. RR

      Eh, probably closer to 80, but yeah. (laughs)

    29. JR

      Is it?

    30. RR

      Yeah, I think it's like 78.

  6. 39:0142:11

    Gas Monkey brand empire: tequila, merch, and turning the shop into a destination

    1. RR

      Cheers.

    2. JR

      Cheers, sir.

    3. RR

      Hell yeah. Fixing to break out some tequila for you in a minute.

    4. JR

      Break it out, man. Do we have cups?

    5. RR

      Hell yeah.

    6. JR

      You brought cups too? At least this guy comes prepared. Oh, you have Gas Monkey Tequila? Get the fuck out of here. You got your own tequila? Dude, can I get a Gas Monkey T-shirt? Do you have one?

    7. RR

      I brought you one.

    8. JR

      I fucking love that logo.

    9. RR

      I got some of this crap down here.

    10. JR

      Dude, I'll put one on right now. I don't give a fuck.

    11. RR

      Ta-da.

    12. JR

      Look at that. Ooh.

    13. RR

      Got a couple of 'em here.

    14. JR

      Nice.

    15. RR

      Whatever.

    16. JR

      Look at that, Jamie, huh? Jealous?

    17. RR

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      Oh, yeah. Nice. Dude, that is cool. Yeah, you guys have like a whole apparel line.

    19. RR

      Dude, we have everything. I mean, we've got tools. We've got ... I saw a bath mat the other day at like Home Goods or something and I'm like, "I don't even remember approving that."

    20. JR

      (laughs) Is it for sure yours?

    21. RR

      Yeah. Yeah. It's a licensed-

    22. JR

      Or is it some knockoff shit?

    23. RR

      No, it's a licensed product.

    24. JR

      Well, that's part of the thing, right? You guys came up with a cool logo.

    25. RR

      Yeah. And, uh, the monkey's, you know ... He's that lovable character that's also a pain in the ass and kinda in there messing stuff up all the time, but you can't shoot him 'cause he's just ... that's what he does. You know? (laughs)

    26. JR

      He's a monkey.

    27. RR

      And, uh, what have you. So we did the Gas Monkey Cinnamon Tequila. This is, uh ...

    28. JR

      It's cinnamon?

    29. RR

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Ooh.

  7. 42:1144:06

    Business liability and fan encounters: the bizarre ‘24-hour responsibility’ rule

    1. RR

      Oh, we do it on purpose. We've got a little spot where people can come by and see the cars. Uh, we got a building there and then we've got a, a merch shop. And inside the merch shop, you can go in the back and there's like a party area where you can have a ... I don't sell beer or alcohol, but you can have a Gas Monkey energy drink or water and-

    2. JR

      Really?

    3. RR

      ... kind of feel like you're in the experience and, uh, but yeah.

    4. JR

      Wow. So you let people just come on down and say hi? Did you give out the address?

    5. RR

      I really do. Uh, yeah. No. I mean, everybody can come by. There's probably ... We're on, um, Earth Cam right now. Pull up Earth Cam Gas Monkey. We can see how many people are there.

    6. JR

      Do you get stalked by weirdos 'cause of the TV show?

    7. RR

      Uh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. RR

      You know what really freaking sucks in Texas? This is no bullshit, and I didn't find this out until we got stopped.

    10. JR

      There it is.

    11. RR

      Oh, it's raining.

    12. JR

      Live cam. What really sucks?

    13. RR

      Um, somebody comes on my property and they're weird, and I gotta tell them to leave, you know, or they're aggressive or whatever, and I go, "Get the hell off the property. Get outta here. Beat it." For the next 24 hours, I'm responsible for them if they... Uh, like, if they leave and get run over at the corner or whatever because I made them leave, I forced them from the property, they're my responsibility.

    14. JR

      What?

    15. RR

      It fucking sucks.

    16. JR

      So if a guy shows up drunk and you say, "Hey, man, you gotta get the fuck out of here," and the guy leaves and gets in a car accident-

    17. RR

      He could say, "Hey, they made me leave."

    18. JR

      What?

    19. RR

      Yeah. You know, so the drunk ones, I'll put them in an Uber, but I'm talking about just the crazy ones. You know, we've got a homeless problem in, uh, Dallas that's starting to get to be about as big as you guys are having here, and they'll wander onto property and we're like, "Hey, you gotta beat it." And then if they go down the street and gets hit, yeah, I'm responsible.

    20. JR

      Then you're responsible for their medical bills?

    21. RR

      Can be.

    22. JR

      What?

    23. RR

      It's the stupidest freaking law on the planet.

    24. JR

      What was... Is that, like, a hospitality law? Like, what's... Is it because you're a business?

    25. RR

      I don't know because I don't sell alcohol. But it's because I'm a business and I made them leave. They came to see me and I made them leave. They didn't leave on their f- own accord. Um, so we have to call the cops to get them to carry those people out.

  8. 44:0650:20

    Car collecting at scale: Leno’s warehouses, Rawlings’ inventory, and ‘never sell’ cars

    1. JR

      That's so weird. I went to Jay Leno's garage, and he's telling me that, uh... You know, Jay Leno's garage is not Jay Leno's garage. It's Jay Leno's 11 garages.

    2. RR

      Oh, I know. I've been there. I've, I've done the Jay Leno Show.

    3. JR

      Fucking crazy.

    4. RR

      It's freaking great.

    5. JR

      I mean, I knew that guy was a car nut, but I didn't know the magnitude until you go and you see these 11 warehouse buildings-

    6. RR

      Just full.

    7. JR

      ... full of cars.

    8. RR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      He's got a real problem.

    10. RR

      No, he's got a great problem. (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. RR

      He's got a, a great problem. I'm only up to two buildings. I need to start adding buildings.

    13. JR

      How many cars do you personally own?

    14. RR

      Um, it's hard to answer 'cause I own Gas Monkey-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. RR

      ... and so we have inventory. I, I tell, I tell everybody I usually keep between 50 and 60 cars.

    17. JR

      That are yours?

    18. RR

      That are sort of for sale, you know. So they're probably-

    19. JR

      If someone comes along-

    20. RR

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... and goes, "Man, I need that car," and you're like, "Well, of course, yeah."

    22. RR

      But there's about, there's about 10 that I won't sell, period.

    23. JR

      What do you... What won't you sell?

    24. RR

      I won't sell my, um, Thomas Crown Affair Mustang, my Shelby, uh, convertible.

    25. JR

      What, what is that?

    26. RR

      Uh...

    27. JR

      What year?

    28. RR

      '68. Uh, you can probably find a picture of that on the net. But it's a, it's a remake of the one they used in Thomas Crown Affair with Pierce Brosnan when he's on the island, and it's got all the-

    29. JR

      I never saw that movie.

    30. RR

      It's all lifted, on BF Goodriches.

  9. 50:201:08:39

    Motivation through ‘overreaching’: buying big to force ambition

    1. RR

      Uh, uh, I'm a big proponent, uh, and, and believer in forcing yourself, you know. And so when I bought that car-

    2. JR

      Forcing yourself.

    3. RR

      Y- To, to want more, to do more, to, to give yourself motivation. A lot of people just save and save and save, and I'm more like, "Okay, I'm gonna do something that I probably shouldn't do right now, so that I know I gotta work hard to make sure I don't have to give it up."

    4. JR

      Dude, I'm with you.

    5. RR

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      That's me.

    7. RR

      It's-

    8. JR

      I, I talk my friends into that shit. I talked my friend Tony into buying a Corvette when he can't afford it.

    9. RR

      (laughs) Yeah.

    10. JR

      I talked my friend Brendan into buying a GT3 RS.

    11. RR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. RR

      So it's the same thing. I mean, I bought the car when I probably shouldn't, but the show was going and I was like, "This will make me work harder, so that-"

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. RR

      ... you know, it sits in the corner when I'm doing it. I get up in the morning, I look at it.

    16. JR

      Look.

    17. RR

      I gotta, I gotta make sure that I can afford that, so let's go do it.

    18. JR

      Dude, I believe in that wholeheartedly. And people say you're ridiculous, and I go, "Yeah."

    19. RR

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      "Exactly."

    21. RR

      Well, when I was young, I was a ... When, when I first got into printing and advertising, uh, I, I ... Shit, I could barely make rent. I think I was buying my suits at, you know, a resale shop, but I would go to Neiman's and look around and, you know, and, and think about what I was gonna buy. It, uh, just putting the motivation in my head, you know. I guess there's a big movement now with making your imagination board or whatever. Well, my-

    22. JR

      Those people are assholes.

    23. RR

      Yeah, my shit just wanted to be real. (laughs)

    24. JR

      You don't need that. Just put it in your head. That I d- that vision board-

    25. RR

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... uh, I get it if you're 20 and you're doing that, you don't know any better.

    27. RR

      Yeah, my vision board's a, you know, the, uh, the old poster of the rock band with some weed in their, you know- (laughs)

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. RR

      And that looks like a great vision. (laughs)

    30. JR

      Yeah, that's the real vision board. I, I, yeah, I, I'm a big believer in, in, in doing, uh, uh ... This is what I say to someone who can buy ... if you can actually buy a Ferrari, I'm like, "Listen, man, if you don't, who will? If you're a- an 18-year-old kid and you got no money, and you said, 'Man, if I had enough by- to buy a Ferrari, oh God, I'd be so happy. I would buy that thing,' well, you should do it if you can."

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