The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1229 - Richard Rawlings
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Rawlings’ path to Gas Monkey and the “family-friendly” car show angle
- JRJoe Rogan
Three, two, one, boom. And we're live. What's happening? How are you?
- RRRichard Rawlings
What's... Hi, man. I am just stoked to be here.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm stoked to have you here, man. It's a pleasure to meet you. I love your show.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fun. It's a fun fucking car show.
- RRRichard Rawlings
It really is, man. I tell-
- JRJoe Rogan
It is.
- RRRichard Rawlings
I tell people I might be the smartest guy in the world. I figured out how to drink beer and play with cars and get paid for it. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yeah, but it's like, it's a fun show. It's like, you, you're not taking yourself too seriously, you're having a good time, you know, you're buying and selling awesome cars.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, yeah, for sure. It's, uh, it, it was a dream of mine to get it done. It took eight years to, uh, get it sold, but here we are now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did it really?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, I started this, I started pitching the show in 2004, and we didn't start til, uh, 2008, or 2012.
- JRJoe Rogan
What were you doing before that?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, before television, or-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
... before Gas Monkey?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, I kinda had two stages in life. I was a firefighter, police officer, and medic before I was old enough to drink. I mean, I'm talking 19 years old, carrying a gun. Probably wasn't the smartest thing for them to let me do. And then, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
They gonna let you have a beer when you were 19?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I had a badge. I was a cop. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
I mean, literally, I was a police officer and, uh, so by the time I was 20 I was also a firefighter and, uh... So I did that for a while, and then, uh, moved into printing and advertising, and, uh, then sold that and got into this.
- JRJoe Rogan
So was it just like something you were just always into cars and that's what led you to the show?
- RRRichard Rawlings
You know, how would I tell the story diplomatically? Um, realistically, I was watching the shows that were on TV at the time. I've always been a car nut and a motorcycle guy, and what have you, and I realized one night that my kids are never in the room watching it, and my wife's not in the room watching it, you know? And, uh, the shows that we're on were a little bit too much bravado. And, and I'm a tough guy, and, you know, so I dug it and all my buddies dug it, but their wives and stuff and I was like, "Golly, they're missing a big chunk of the market here. If you could tone down that part of it a little bit, and still have a cool brand, and still be a cool guy, you know, and get the moms and the kids in the room, hopefully it's a lot more successful." And so that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- RRRichard Rawlings
That was kinda where the idea came from and I just went out and started it.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting. So the marketing side of you kicked in?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
So the marketing side of you went, "Oh, I think there's another way to do this."
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, I mean, I'm still a tattooed guy with some jewelry, but you know, I got a pit bull on a... (laughs) I got a poodle on a leash, not a pit bull on a chain, you know? (laughs)
- 4:16 – 7:20
Classic muscle cars, modern horsepower, and why 700+ HP is risky
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow, yeah, that car, those, uh... I mean, I've said this on the show a million times, I'm a giant fan of like the, the time period of 1965 to somewhere around like '71, they fell apart.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Like you still get a '71 Challenger or a '71 Barracuda that's still pretty sweet.
- RRRichard Rawlings
For sure. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But then you get into like '72, '73...
- RRRichard Rawlings
They had to start putting the big bumpers on there with the shocks-
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything, yeah, with those-
- RRRichard Rawlings
... and everything just got ugly.
- JRJoe Rogan
(groans) It just fell apart.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Then you got the gas crunch and then everything got four cylinders, and it was, it was a bad time in the late '70s for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was a bad time, but it's a good time now. It's a really interesting, really interesting time now for muscle cars. It's, the race is so crazy that they're putting out street legal cars you can buy from a dealer with 700 plus horsepower and almost every dealer has one now.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I've got a Demon myself. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just crazy.
- RRRichard Rawlings
And that's 808 horsepower. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's fucking crazy. Now the new GT500 is out and that's gonna have over 700 horsepower.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you have the, the Camaro L, uh, the, um, what is it? 1LE? It's the... No. What? What is it? LT1 1LE? No, what the, what the fuck is the name of the-
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's something like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
ZL1 1LE.
- RRRichard Rawlings
ZL, yeah, that's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, ZL1 1LE, which is 650 horsepower, and then the new, uh, ZR1, that's 750 horsepower. They're just preposterous.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, it's, it's, uh, I think (laughs) it could be a little dangerous, you know, with everybody out there thinking, "Hey, I can drive a 700 horsepower car," because it's, it's completely different than, you know, a normal one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, did you see the video of the guy from, um, one of the head guys at GM who took it on a track like one of the first days they were releasing the car and he spun out on the first turn and slammed into the wall? (laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
(laughs) Well, I can't say much, I wrecked a brand new Hellcat the other day racing at Woodward. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you really?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no.
- RRRichard Rawlings
I went to Woodward Dream Cruise and they had a little celebrity match up and I was racing, uh, and just lost it and hit the wall, took out the whole side of the car. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Were you on a track or were you on a strip?
- RRRichard Rawlings
It was a street track, uh, that they had right there on Woodward Avenue. So they put up the blocks and you take off.
- 7:20 – 8:54
How Gas Monkey builds cars in 25 days: planning, parts, and process discipline
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, you guys make some fucking great builds too, you know, you guys have done some really sweet custom builds. Like, y- you were telling me outside that the longest you do a build for is 25 days.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, we've got it down to about 25 from 32-ish when we started. Uh, so when you see a car on the show, um, if it's a single episode, th- then we built that car in 25, 26 days.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Start to finish, paint, interior, everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you do it so quick?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, a lot of planning and, and we've learned over seven years now and 130 of 'em, that, um, you know, we've just got our process in, and the crew that I have at the shop now is unbelievably phenomenal. And there's only six guys doing it. There's six guys that do it, 25 days we're done.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's insane. But what about like if you're gonna do like a custom suspension or, you know, Art Mor- Morrison chassis or something like that?
- RRRichard Rawlings
It just takes some planning. So literally what we do is we build the car three times. This is what I tell everybody. We'll say, "Okay, we're gonna build this '68 Chevelle." Uh, and so we decide how we're gonna build it and what kind of parts we're gonna use, what kind of suspension, wheels, motor. We, we put all that down on paper and then if it works mathematically for the project we wanna do, then, um, I go find the car. Then when I find the car, we order every single part, and we don't start that car until every single thing that was on that list is in house, has been checked, and we're ready to go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- RRRichard Rawlings
So now all we've got is actual fabrication time and human error, and we're ready to go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Still seems like such a short amount of time. I mean, all the builds that I've seen take seven months, nine months, a year.
- 8:54 – 18:19
Extreme builds: Hellcat swaps, “Hell Scout,” and a 1300 HP Riviera vision
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's just the shops are set up differently. Uh, it may be one or two guys, or maybe they've got kind of, you know, assembly programs going on or what have you. But we get in there like... You'll love the one we're building right now. Uh, we're building a '77 International Scout and, uh, started with a really nice one, orange, white stripes, plaid interior. I mean, the whole ball of wax. Whack the, the, uh, chassis out from under it, put in a full Chris Austin, uh, Chassis Works chassis with, uh, only two-wheel drive, and it's all 2018 Hellcat eight-speed automatic-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- RRRichard Rawlings
... in it and slammed on the ground. But it's still a removable top and what... It was a great California truck, I can guarantee you that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow. So you made it s- so you lowered it?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, we're calling it the Hell Scout.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah. (laughs) Wow, that's pretty badass.
- RRRichard Rawlings
It, it's gonna be a wicked car.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, those, uh, Hellcat chassis, um, uh, D- D- Jonathan Ward, the same guy who's doing this, his, uh, who d- who did my Bronco, the Icon.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're doing that with, uh, one of the, I think it's a Superbird. Uh, one of th- one of those iconic Mopars-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
... from the, the late '60s, early '70s. They're doing a full Hellcat chassis and the whole deal with that.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
That'd be wicked.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Um, what, what company was the first one to really get stupid with these cars? I guess it was kind of Corvette with the ZR1 with horsepower figures.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, for sure. Corvette got, stepped out there with the ZR1 and started cranking it up. Uh, everybody was kinda in production. You had s- you had the resurgence of, uh, Shelby.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there it is. There's Jonathan Ward's-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that thing.
- RRRichard Rawlings
That's good looking.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is like literally like trying to have a block, like a city block on wheels, that you take around a corner. Look how long that goddamn thing is. (laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, that's gonna be a fresh car.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Badass. He does some awesome shit over there too. He's, uh, he's doing some... Well, he's doing one that I don't think he can talk about. I think he's, he's keeping it under wraps but he's got a bunch of cool shit.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever been there?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I have not, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's right down the street.
- 18:19 – 39:01
Restomods vs originals, the end of manuals, and “played out” hero-car builds
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but it's, uh, it's a really interesting time too, for r- resto mods, you know, because so many people are, are into that now. They realize that, uh, they, they like the looks of those old cars, but they're not really into the way they drove.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Correct. Everybody's about comfort and Bluetooth and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, uh, I'm not really that way. I'm a '32 Ford nut, and I kinda like cars the way that they more or less came out. I mean, I'm all for maybe some disc brakes or safety or whatever, but I like the squeaking and having to learn how to drive it and figure it out and-
- JRJoe Rogan
The character of it.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Manual transmissions.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How m- how much longer before the manual's dead?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I think it's already got the nails in the coffin. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Seems like it, but then, you know, like, American cars, they'll come out with cars like the GT350. You can't even get it with an automatic. Fuck off.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Th- they won't even sell it to you.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, and they're gonna hold on with that as long as they can. But, you know, your big competition cars, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
... th- uh, you know, it's, you can't get a man- a manual.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow, everybody wants that Nurburgring time, you know?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
They all want that super fast Nurburgring time, and unless you have a double clutch transmission, unless you have paddle shifts, you're just-
- RRRichard Rawlings
You can't get there.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you're gonna miss a second here, a second there, and then people are gonna look at it when they... It's so ridiculous that people, like, look at those times-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, 'cause the average Joe ain't going out there and doing that. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) I mean, the modern cars, I mean, like the ZL1 that we were talking about earlier, I think they're down to... The 1LE, I think is down to a seven-minute and, and real low seconds Nurburgring time, which is fucking crazy. That's faster than a GT3 RS from a couple of years ago.
- RRRichard Rawlings
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
For a $60,000 car that you could buy at a Chevy dealership.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Eh, probably closer to 80, but yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, I think it's like 78.
- 39:01 – 42:11
Gas Monkey brand empire: tequila, merch, and turning the shop into a destination
- RRRichard Rawlings
Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Cheers, sir.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Hell yeah. Fixing to break out some tequila for you in a minute.
- JRJoe Rogan
Break it out, man. Do we have cups?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Hell yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You brought cups too? At least this guy comes prepared. Oh, you have Gas Monkey Tequila? Get the fuck out of here. You got your own tequila? Dude, can I get a Gas Monkey T-shirt? Do you have one?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I brought you one.
- JRJoe Rogan
I fucking love that logo.
- RRRichard Rawlings
I got some of this crap down here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I'll put one on right now. I don't give a fuck.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Ta-da.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that. Ooh.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Got a couple of 'em here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that, Jamie, huh? Jealous?
- RRRichard Rawlings
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Nice. Dude, that is cool. Yeah, you guys have like a whole apparel line.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Dude, we have everything. I mean, we've got tools. We've got ... I saw a bath mat the other day at like Home Goods or something and I'm like, "I don't even remember approving that."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Is it for sure yours?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah. Yeah. It's a licensed-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or is it some knockoff shit?
- RRRichard Rawlings
No, it's a licensed product.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's part of the thing, right? You guys came up with a cool logo.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah. And, uh, the monkey's, you know ... He's that lovable character that's also a pain in the ass and kinda in there messing stuff up all the time, but you can't shoot him 'cause he's just ... that's what he does. You know? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a monkey.
- RRRichard Rawlings
And, uh, what have you. So we did the Gas Monkey Cinnamon Tequila. This is, uh ...
- JRJoe Rogan
It's cinnamon?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- 42:11 – 44:06
Business liability and fan encounters: the bizarre ‘24-hour responsibility’ rule
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, we do it on purpose. We've got a little spot where people can come by and see the cars. Uh, we got a building there and then we've got a, a merch shop. And inside the merch shop, you can go in the back and there's like a party area where you can have a ... I don't sell beer or alcohol, but you can have a Gas Monkey energy drink or water and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- RRRichard Rawlings
... kind of feel like you're in the experience and, uh, but yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. So you let people just come on down and say hi? Did you give out the address?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I really do. Uh, yeah. No. I mean, everybody can come by. There's probably ... We're on, um, Earth Cam right now. Pull up Earth Cam Gas Monkey. We can see how many people are there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you get stalked by weirdos 'cause of the TV show?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
You know what really freaking sucks in Texas? This is no bullshit, and I didn't find this out until we got stopped.
- JRJoe Rogan
There it is.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, it's raining.
- JRJoe Rogan
Live cam. What really sucks?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Um, somebody comes on my property and they're weird, and I gotta tell them to leave, you know, or they're aggressive or whatever, and I go, "Get the hell off the property. Get outta here. Beat it." For the next 24 hours, I'm responsible for them if they... Uh, like, if they leave and get run over at the corner or whatever because I made them leave, I forced them from the property, they're my responsibility.
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- RRRichard Rawlings
It fucking sucks.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if a guy shows up drunk and you say, "Hey, man, you gotta get the fuck out of here," and the guy leaves and gets in a car accident-
- RRRichard Rawlings
He could say, "Hey, they made me leave."
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah. You know, so the drunk ones, I'll put them in an Uber, but I'm talking about just the crazy ones. You know, we've got a homeless problem in, uh, Dallas that's starting to get to be about as big as you guys are having here, and they'll wander onto property and we're like, "Hey, you gotta beat it." And then if they go down the street and gets hit, yeah, I'm responsible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Then you're responsible for their medical bills?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Can be.
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's the stupidest freaking law on the planet.
- JRJoe Rogan
What was... Is that, like, a hospitality law? Like, what's... Is it because you're a business?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I don't know because I don't sell alcohol. But it's because I'm a business and I made them leave. They came to see me and I made them leave. They didn't leave on their f- own accord. Um, so we have to call the cops to get them to carry those people out.
- 44:06 – 50:20
Car collecting at scale: Leno’s warehouses, Rawlings’ inventory, and ‘never sell’ cars
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so weird. I went to Jay Leno's garage, and he's telling me that, uh... You know, Jay Leno's garage is not Jay Leno's garage. It's Jay Leno's 11 garages.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Oh, I know. I've been there. I've, I've done the Jay Leno Show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking crazy.
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's freaking great.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, I knew that guy was a car nut, but I didn't know the magnitude until you go and you see these 11 warehouse buildings-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Just full.
- JRJoe Rogan
... full of cars.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's got a real problem.
- RRRichard Rawlings
No, he's got a great problem. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
He's got a, a great problem. I'm only up to two buildings. I need to start adding buildings.
- JRJoe Rogan
How many cars do you personally own?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Um, it's hard to answer 'cause I own Gas Monkey-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- RRRichard Rawlings
... and so we have inventory. I, I tell, I tell everybody I usually keep between 50 and 60 cars.
- JRJoe Rogan
That are yours?
- RRRichard Rawlings
That are sort of for sale, you know. So they're probably-
- JRJoe Rogan
If someone comes along-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and goes, "Man, I need that car," and you're like, "Well, of course, yeah."
- RRRichard Rawlings
But there's about, there's about 10 that I won't sell, period.
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you... What won't you sell?
- RRRichard Rawlings
I won't sell my, um, Thomas Crown Affair Mustang, my Shelby, uh, convertible.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what is that?
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
What year?
- RRRichard Rawlings
'68. Uh, you can probably find a picture of that on the net. But it's a, it's a remake of the one they used in Thomas Crown Affair with Pierce Brosnan when he's on the island, and it's got all the-
- JRJoe Rogan
I never saw that movie.
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's all lifted, on BF Goodriches.
- 50:20 – 1:08:39
Motivation through ‘overreaching’: buying big to force ambition
- RRRichard Rawlings
Uh, uh, I'm a big proponent, uh, and, and believer in forcing yourself, you know. And so when I bought that car-
- JRJoe Rogan
Forcing yourself.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Y- To, to want more, to do more, to, to give yourself motivation. A lot of people just save and save and save, and I'm more like, "Okay, I'm gonna do something that I probably shouldn't do right now, so that I know I gotta work hard to make sure I don't have to give it up."
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I'm with you.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's me.
- RRRichard Rawlings
It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I talk my friends into that shit. I talked my friend Tony into buying a Corvette when he can't afford it.
- RRRichard Rawlings
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I talked my friend Brendan into buying a GT3 RS.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
So it's the same thing. I mean, I bought the car when I probably shouldn't, but the show was going and I was like, "This will make me work harder, so that-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- RRRichard Rawlings
... you know, it sits in the corner when I'm doing it. I get up in the morning, I look at it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look.
- RRRichard Rawlings
I gotta, I gotta make sure that I can afford that, so let's go do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I believe in that wholeheartedly. And people say you're ridiculous, and I go, "Yeah."
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Exactly."
- RRRichard Rawlings
Well, when I was young, I was a ... When, when I first got into printing and advertising, uh, I, I ... Shit, I could barely make rent. I think I was buying my suits at, you know, a resale shop, but I would go to Neiman's and look around and, you know, and, and think about what I was gonna buy. It, uh, just putting the motivation in my head, you know. I guess there's a big movement now with making your imagination board or whatever. Well, my-
- JRJoe Rogan
Those people are assholes.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, my shit just wanted to be real. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't need that. Just put it in your head. That I d- that vision board-
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, I get it if you're 20 and you're doing that, you don't know any better.
- RRRichard Rawlings
Yeah, my vision board's a, you know, the, uh, the old poster of the rock band with some weed in their, you know- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- RRRichard Rawlings
And that looks like a great vision. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's the real vision board. I, I, yeah, I, I'm a big believer in, in, in doing, uh, uh ... This is what I say to someone who can buy ... if you can actually buy a Ferrari, I'm like, "Listen, man, if you don't, who will? If you're a- an 18-year-old kid and you got no money, and you said, 'Man, if I had enough by- to buy a Ferrari, oh God, I'd be so happy. I would buy that thing,' well, you should do it if you can."
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