Joe Rogan Experience #1231 - Matt Braunger

1. 0:00 – 2:42

   Homemade cold brew and deep coffee nerding

   1. MBMatt Braunger0:00

      ... four, three, two, one. Boom.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Matt, you're the first guy to ever bring homemade cold brew-

   3. MBMatt Braunger0:08

      Yes, sir. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      ... to the studio. I think we should enjoy some of this right now, sir.

   5. MBMatt Braunger0:11

      Okay, let's have some.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Give us a couple here.

   7. MBMatt Braunger0:13

      Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's pretty much kerosene, so you wanna sip it. Be careful.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Is it really?

   9. MBMatt Braunger0:18

      I usually... Yeah, I usually dilute it with a little bit of water. But, um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Wow.

   11. MBMatt Braunger0:21

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Love it.

   13. MBMatt Braunger0:21

       I fe- I got this... uh, found out about this guy, his company called Tristero, where it's a guy, and he just roasts all these beans from all over the world and drops them off at this one bicycle cafe. And, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       You live in Venice or something?

   15. MBMatt Braunger0:33

       No. No, I live in-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Cheers.

   17. MBMatt Braunger0:34

       ... Los Feliz, close, close second.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Close, close enough.

   19. MBMatt Braunger0:36

       Cheers, buddy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Cheers.

   21. MBMatt Braunger0:36

       Thanks for having me.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       My pleasure. I had a, um, coffee expert on the podcast before. Just started... I mean, I don't know anything about coffee. Just on a whim, had this guy, Peter Giuliano. That's his name? Giuliano? Or Giuliani? I'm avoiding, uh, the word Giuliani, like-

   23. MBMatt Braunger0:55

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... specifically because-

   25. MBMatt Braunger0:56

       I'm sure he is too.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       (laughs)

   27. MBMatt Braunger0:58

       Giuliano, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Giuliano. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's, like, a legit coffee expert.

   29. MBMatt Braunger1:02

       Okay.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       And he explained to us that all coffee comes from Ethiopia.
2. 2:42 – 4:25

   Coffeehouses as a social threat: when caffeine replaced all-day drinking

   1. MBMatt Braunger2:42

      Did he talk about the illegality of, of coffee in its kind of earlier stages when it would go out into different regions and cultures and religious areas?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      Well, Bourdain actually was the first person to tell me that, that they were outlawing coffee shops and coffeehouses back in the day. See, there's a clip somewhere online of Bourdain explaining to us-

   3. MBMatt Braunger3:00

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      ... uh, how coffee shops were being outlawed, 'cause at the time, everyone basically was drunk all day.

   5. MBMatt Braunger3:07

      Right. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      Because people just... they... all they did was drink booze-

   7. MBMatt Braunger3:10

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:10

      ... because, you know, a lot of times if you had water sitting around, that water would probably have some funky shit in it-

   9. MBMatt Braunger3:17

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       ... if it was still water, and you'd get sick drinking it. But you could be re- you know, if w- uh, if water had the alcohol in it-

   11. MBMatt Braunger3:23

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       ... you wouldn't get sick.

   13. MBMatt Braunger3:23

       It's a preservative.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Yeah.

   15. MBMatt Braunger3:25

       Yeah, you'd like... Uh, monks would only drink beer and-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Yeah.

   17. MBMatt Braunger3:27

       ... and li-

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       Isn't that crazy?

   19. MBMatt Braunger3:28

       It's nu-... I can't imagine-

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Monks.

   21. MBMatt Braunger3:30

       ... if you've ever had, like, Belgian ale-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Yes.

   23. MBMatt Braunger3:31

       ... it's like, I have three. I'm just like, "Fu-... Okay."

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       (laughs)

   25. MBMatt Braunger3:35

       Jesus. (laughs) And you think those guys just pacing themselves all day to stay somewhat hydrated and...

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       Yeah, I think they just got used to it.

   27. MBMatt Braunger3:41

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       But it must've been terrible for their bodies.

   29. MBMatt Braunger3:44

       I- yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's like, oh, I was just thinking about, like, life expectancy and how-

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Yeah.
3. 4:25 – 6:02

   Drunk warfare, berserkers, and Viking myths vs reality

   1. MBMatt Braunger4:25

      And the amount of, the amount of... I've read this statistic that, like, something like 80% of medieval land, land battles were, were fought drunk or something.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      (laughs)

   3. MBMatt Braunger4:34

      Something, some insane-

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      Of course.

   5. MBMatt Braunger4:36

      ... ratio that, like... (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      Of course, it would have to be.

   7. MBMatt Braunger4:39

      Yeah. I would, I would have to shotgun a bottle of Jack to pick up, like, a battle ax and just run into a crowd of guys and just start-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      Yeah.

   9. MBMatt Braunger4:44

      ... swinging away.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Well, the Vikings were-

   11. MBMatt Braunger4:47

       Horrifying.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       ... famous for waging war while they were on mushrooms.

   13. MBMatt Braunger4:51

       Yeah. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       They would eat psilocybin mushrooms and just fucking go banana.

   15. MBMatt Braunger4:54

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Maybe Amanita muscaria too, I think, was the other mushroom that they ate. And they would just go fucking crazy with axes while they were... who knows what they were saying?

   17. MBMatt Braunger5:02

       Well, it's a- that... the legend of the berserker.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Yeah.

   19. MBMatt Braunger5:05

       You know, where they, where we get the term berserk from.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Mm-hmm.

   21. MBMatt Braunger5:06

       You're obviously familiar.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Yeah.

   23. MBMatt Braunger5:07

       You're, you're a warrior philosopher, so you know what that is. But, like, yeah, it's... that probably wh- you just go into a trance.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Yeah.

   25. MBMatt Braunger5:13

       And you're just killing everything in sight, and you're basically like a, an insect on cocaine that's just chopping everything down around you.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Yeah, you remember when we were talking about that new Viking show that's on Netflix? We missed it. It wasn't the comedy one. There's another one. There's another one that's, uh, like a serious Viking show on Netflix that's supposed to be, like, the show Vikings but way better, which I kinda liked the show Vikings 2.

   27. MBMatt Braunger5:36

       Yeah, it was good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Pretty good.

   29. MBMatt Braunger5:37

       It was good.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       Pretty good.
4. 6:02 – 8:54

   Scandinavian size, strongmen, and Game of Thrones brutality

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Right. Well, they were all big. Like, these- the problem is, like, there's not that many giant actors unless you wanna recruit football players.

   2. MBMatt Braunger6:09

      (laughs) It's so true.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      You know?

   4. MBMatt Braunger6:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:11

      But if you go to Holland or something like that, one of the things, you walk around and you go-

   6. MBMatt Braunger6:14

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:14

      ... "Goddamn, everyone's big."

   8. MBMatt Braunger6:15

      That's a good point. Yeah. Uh, in, in Norway-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      Yeah.

   10. MBMatt Braunger6:19

       ... and Norwegian countries, they're very tall.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Yeah.

   12. MBMatt Braunger6:21

       The- the median height is, like, six feet.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       Yeah.

   14. MBMatt Braunger6:23

       Which is insane.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Well, Iceland has a disproportionate number of strong men competition winners.

   16. MBMatt Braunger6:29

       Oh, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       Those guys who win the Strongest Man in the World.

   18. MBMatt Braunger6:31

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       You know those dudes who throw barrels-

   20. MBMatt Braunger6:34

       Oh, of course.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       ... over the top of-

   22. MBMatt Braunger6:34

       Oh, I love it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Yeah.

   24. MBMatt Braunger6:35

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Those guys, a lot of those guys come from Iceland.

   26. MBMatt Braunger6:38

       Mm-hmm. Well, the guy who plays The Mountain-

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       Yes.

   28. MBMatt Braunger6:40

       ... he, he- who took the Strongest Man in the World-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       Yeah.

   30. MBMatt Braunger6:42

       ... title.
5. 8:54 – 11:26

   Aging, end-of-life fears, and the ‘Village’ model for dying at home

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:54

      I was talking to a friend of mine, and she was telling me that her dad, um, had been, uh, hospitalized. And while her dad was hospitalized, uh, he was in, like, this, uh, like, a- a care home for older people.

   2. MBMatt Braunger9:09

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:09

      And, um, a guy who was schizophrenic freaked out and tried to eat him.

   4. MBMatt Braunger9:14

      Oh, God.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:15

      While he was there.

   6. MBMatt Braunger9:16

      Whoa.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      Yeah, and then he said, "Fuck this. Get me outta here." And he wound up dying at home. He wound up dying at home rather than die in the hospital because a guy tried to eat him.

   8. MBMatt Braunger9:24

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      Imagine, like, your last-

   10. MBMatt Braunger9:25

       Ugh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       ... couple days of life-

   12. MBMatt Braunger9:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       ... are escaping a schizophrenic guy who got out of his room and tried to eat you.

   14. MBMatt Braunger9:31

       Th- this is why I worked so hard all my life and raised a family and now I'm here. I mean, that's already your worst fear is to be, is to die away from your loved ones-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       Yeah.

   16. MBMatt Braunger9:37

       ... just around strangers, to be back at the first day of high school basically-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Yeah.

   18. MBMatt Braunger9:40

       ... but you're old and everyone's old. But then someone's trying to kill you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       Yeah, and eat you.

   20. MBMatt Braunger9:44

       J- (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       We don't- we don't get rid of people like that quick enough. Like, you know, you get rid of bad dogs. If dogs-

   22. MBMatt Braunger9:51

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       ... bite people, you're like-

   24. MBMatt Braunger9:52

       You put them down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       "That's a bad dog." Put them down. Yeah.

   26. MBMatt Braunger9:54

       Yeah. It's what's- I should- I gotta tell my mother that because she works with this group called The Village which creates a- a network in any given neighborhood where, if you're young or you're old, you register, it doesn't cost anything, and basically, uh, this person can live out their- their final years in their home because they have a network of neighbors who check on them.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       Oh.

   28. MBMatt Braunger10:12

       Like, every couple hours or, "Call me. Here's my cell."

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       That's nice.

   30. MBMatt Braunger10:14

       It's like, "I have- I'm having a chest pain." "Okay, cool. Let's just get you to the hospital." 'Cause it's like, I think peop- I think people deserve to, you know, as long as they're not eating people-
6. 11:26 – 15:29

   Bourdain’s death, despair as a ‘demon,’ and conquering the inner voice

   1. MBMatt Braunger11:26

      He is the cosmic trickster, without a doubt. I remember Bourdain, speaking of Bourdain, he was the- he was saying to them, like, "How would you like to go?" And he was just like, "I just want just one bullet in the back of my skull and I don't see it coming."

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:35

      Yeah, but meanwhile he did it himself.

   3. MBMatt Braunger11:37

      Ugh, I know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      And he did it with a rope.

   5. MBMatt Braunger11:39

      Yeah, I just...

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:40

      I was friends with him. That- that fucked me up.

   7. MBMatt Braunger11:42

      It fucked me up. I wasn't, and I- I was a fan of his since the first article came out in The New Yorker that he wrote.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:48

      It- it fucks you up because you just go, "I wish he called me."

   9. MBMatt Braunger11:51

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       "I wish, I mean, I would've flown to France."

   11. MBMatt Braunger11:54

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       ... no, I wouldn't have. I would've said, "Suck it up, pussy."

   13. MBMatt Braunger11:57

       Right. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Don't kill yourself in France.

   15. MBMatt Braunger11:59

       Yeah, but it's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       Come back to America.

   17. MBMatt Braunger12:00

       You wish he would've checked in.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Yeah.

   19. MBMatt Braunger12:01

       'Cause, I mean, I, I think, uh, it's all about perspective. There are times where we've all come close to not necessarily putting a gun in our mouths or a rope around our necks, but where you just feel like there's no point.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Yeah.

   21. MBMatt Braunger12:11

       You know? But someone can just come in. I, I say, like, coming up in the, in the crew that I came up with in Chicago, you know, Kinane and Hannibal, uh, and, and, and people like, we, we never let each other get away with shit.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:24

       Mm-hmm.

   23. MBMatt Braunger12:24

       Where it's just like, "Yeah, you're saying that, but, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Right.

   25. MBMatt Braunger12:26

       ... fuck you."

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Right.

   27. MBMatt Braunger12:26

       Like, you need those people in your life. I'll never forget, I went through a horrible breakup, and I went, I was in my apartment for, like, a week, only leaving to wait tables and bartend. And then I finally came to a show and Kinane's like, "Hey, look who pushed aside all the clumps of used Kleenex to be with us."

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       (laughs)

   29. MBMatt Braunger12:40

       "Welcome back, you fucking pussy."

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       (laughs)
7. 15:29 – 17:14

   Elite competitors’ obsession: Kobe, LeBron, and the price of winning

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      Yeah, but Jamie was talking about Kobe Bryant, about what a psycho he was when he was training.

   2. MBMatt Braunger15:33

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      And they, they always say that about Michael Jordan. And of course Mike Tyson was like that.

   4. MBMatt Braunger15:36

      Yeah.

   5. NANarrator15:37

      Kobe said he learned it from Michael. That's, like, what he passed on to him.

   6. MBMatt Braunger15:40

      Ah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      Interesting.

   8. NANarrator15:41

      And then Kobe passed it on to LeBron.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      Yeah.

   10. NANarrator15:43

       And they went on the Olympic team together.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       I heard LeBron spends $1.5 million a year on recovery.

   12. NANarrator15:48

       Sure. Yeah.

   13. MBMatt Braunger15:49

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Just recovery.

   15. NANarrator15:50

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Just recovery.

   17. MBMatt Braunger15:51

       Oh, my God. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Just, like, cryotherapy, massage.

   19. MBMatt Braunger15:54

       Ugh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       A m- a million and a half every year.

   21. NANarrator15:56

       Yeah.

   22. MBMatt Braunger15:57

       Yeah. What a fucking stud he is.

   23. NANarrator15:59

       Dave Ch- Dave Chalmers.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Jesus Christ.

   25. MBMatt Braunger16:01

       That guy is so badass.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Yeah, but he's, like, maximizing everything.

   27. MBMatt Braunger16:05

       Uh-huh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       He's, like, a perfect example of someone who's maximized.

   29. MBMatt Braunger16:08

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Like freak genetics-
8. 17:14 – 20:37

   Billionaires, ‘declared’ wealth, and the myth that all rich people harmed others

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:14

      Right. Like Steve Jobs.

   2. MBMatt Braunger17:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:16

      Like, known by everyone as a extreme cunt.

   4. MBMatt Braunger17:19

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:19

      Right? He was just a cunt. There's no way-

   6. MBMatt Braunger17:21

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:21

      ... around it.

   8. MBMatt Braunger17:22

      Yeah, brutal.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:23

      Do you remember that video, there's a video, it's, uh, he's demonstrating, uh, an Apple product and he can't get this camera to work. And he's pressing all these buttons-

   10. MBMatt Braunger17:30

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:30

       ... that doesn't work. And he throws it at the engineer with this, like, pursed lips.

   12. MBMatt Braunger17:36

       Uh-huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       And he's like, "Here, you fix it."

   14. MBMatt Braunger17:37

       Uh-huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:38

       "Fi- see if you can get it to work."

   16. MBMatt Braunger17:39

       Yeah. Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       He just wants, "You fucking loser! I'm in front of a million people!"

   18. MBMatt Braunger17:43

       Yeah. And he can't.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       Ugh.

   20. NANarrator17:44

       Yeah.

   21. MBMatt Braunger17:44

       He can't lose his mind.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       Right.

   23. MBMatt Braunger17:45

       Because it's, it's like that Japanese ethic of the person who loses their temper first loses.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Right.

   25. MBMatt Braunger17:50

       No matter who's right or wrong.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       Well, I'm sure he loses his temper privately.

   27. MBMatt Braunger17:53

       Oh, without a doubt.

   28. NANarrator17:54

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Yeah, there it is.

   30. MBMatt Braunger17:55

       That guy's probably-
9. 20:37 – 22:27

   Why fighters and entertainers get paid: spectacle, risk, and delusion

   1. MBMatt Braunger20:37

      Right. And what ... And the thing that gets me is that they always dump on those people, uh, the public figures.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:42

      Yeah.

   3. MBMatt Braunger20:42

      The people like sport- ... Especially, biggest example are, like, like sports figures where, like, "I mean, should he get that much for a fight?" It's like, uh, are ... "Do people wanna watch you fight?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:52

      Yeah.

   5. MBMatt Braunger20:52

      "Should you get that much?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:53

      Do you wanna-

   7. MBMatt Braunger20:53

      "Who should get that money?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:54

      ... go fight Canelo Álvarez? "I'll fight him."

   9. MBMatt Braunger20:55

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       "I'll get knocked out for a million dollars." That's my favorite.

   11. MBMatt Braunger20:59

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       People would say that. "Oh, I'd fucking get punched by Mike Tyson for a million dollars."

   13. MBMatt Braunger21:03

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       First of all, you'd have to get enou- enough people that wanna pay to see you get knocked out-

   15. MBMatt Braunger21:07

       To see you die.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       ... to make it worth a million dollars.

   17. MBMatt Braunger21:09

       To see you lose your life.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Yeah.

   19. MBMatt Braunger21:10

       Quite frankly. Richard Lewis had that joke about his uncle. I remember when I was a kid and I'm watching it on TV and, like, laughing 'til I cry, where he said, uh, "Oh yeah." I think it was Tyson, actually. He's like, "Yeah, I'd fight him for a million." He's like, "Yeah, like anyone who'd pay 300 bucks a seat at Madison Square Garden to see an old Jewish guy get punched once in the face and cry."

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       (laughs)

   21. MBMatt Braunger21:26

       (laughs) And it was ... It ... I laughed 'cause it was so specific. Like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       You wouldn't even be crying.

   23. MBMatt Braunger21:30

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       You'd be drooling.

   25. MBMatt Braunger21:31

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       You wouldn't be able to-

   27. MBMatt Braunger21:33

       You'd lose half your intelligence.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       ... see straight anymore. Your fucking skull would be broken. They'd have to bolt it back together again.

   29. MBMatt Braunger21:40

       You'd have to have everyone I love hostage in, like, a warehouse to let him punch me once.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       Dude, I ... When he was here the other day and I was just ... I've met him before. I met him once before, took a picture with him, but mi- ... Every time you meet him, you're like, "Yeah. Okay, okay, this is really Mike Tyson."
10. 22:27 – 32:56

    Radiation realism and the ‘alien’ ocean: nuclear plants to panspermia

    1. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       But if that happened, what's fucked up about that, like, scientists must get crazy about that, because if that happened, you would be, like, really sick. Like, the, like, when people go to space and they're in space for six months, like, their body breaks down.

    2. MBMatt Braunger22:40

       Oh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       They're like-

    4. MBMatt Braunger22:40

       Yeah, you lose, like, years from your life.

    5. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Yeah. Hey, you get really fucked up.

    6. MBMatt Braunger22:43

       (laughs) It's not good.

    7. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       I had Commander Chris Hadfield on the podcast back in the day.

    8. MBMatt Braunger22:47

       Oh, cool.

    9. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       And he said that when he came back, he literally couldn't stand.

    10. MBMatt Braunger22:50

        Oh.

    11. JRJoe Rogan22:50

        His equilibrium was so fucked up 'cause he'd been in space for six months, that when he came back, like, it was horrible.

    12. MBMatt Braunger22:56

        Jesus.

    13. JRJoe Rogan22:56

        He's throwing up. He, like, though ... He, like, he couldn't see straight. Like, when he would stand, the world was all wobbly and shit.

    14. MBMatt Braunger23:04

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan23:04

        Like, his equilibrium was completely gone.

    16. MBMatt Braunger23:06

        Uh, that's so ... I mean, I, I think, you know, superhero movies are kind of fundamentally ridiculous and silly. I love comics. I grew up on them and stuff. But they never ... They never take physics into account in a-

    17. JRJoe Rogan23:16

        Yeah.

    18. MBMatt Braunger23:16

        ... real ... It's always like, you get hit with a gamma ray, you get powers.

    19. JRJoe Rogan23:19

        Right.

    20. MBMatt Braunger23:19

        Where it's like, why would it choose to give you powers? It would just melt you. Like, that's not how forces in the universe work. They don't-

    21. JRJoe Rogan23:25

        Hm.

    22. MBMatt Braunger23:26

        ... you know, m- generally speaking, mystically, you know, uh-

    23. JRJoe Rogan23:29

        No one ever gets enhanced in real life by, like, nuclear radiation.

    24. MBMatt Braunger23:32

        No. I, I don't think that's ever-

    25. JRJoe Rogan23:33

        Not one person.

    26. MBMatt Braunger23:34

        ... ev- ever happened. I, I, the most ... The best theory would probably be, like, Godzilla. Like, some monster-

    27. JRJoe Rogan23:38

        Right.

    28. MBMatt Braunger23:38

        ... was born of it that came out of the ocean, you know.

    29. JRJoe Rogan23:42

        Well, there was a time where Vice went to Chernobyl and, uh, this was back when Vice was really Vice, when Shane Smith was going on all these journeys and shit.

    30. MBMatt Braunger23:50

        Oh, yeah. That was when it was nuts.
11. 32:56 – 35:45

    Mushrooms, microdosing, and why weed can derail—or unlock—comedy

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       Well, spores are even weirder, right? Because spores create mushrooms, and mushrooms actually breathe oxygen, and-

    2. MBMatt Braunger33:02

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       ... breathe out carbon dioxide.

    4. MBMatt Braunger33:03

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       They say they're, they're closer to an animal than they are to vegetables.

    6. MBMatt Braunger33:07

       Yeah. That's, uh ... That's ... I've thought about that when I've, when I've eaten magic mushrooms.

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       Yeah.

    8. MBMatt Braunger33:12

       A lot-

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       Yeah.

    10. MBMatt Braunger33:12

        ... where it's like I basically just ate an animal.

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:15

        Well, you also feel like it's taking ... Like it's alive inside of you, communicating-

    12. MBMatt Braunger33:20

        Yes.

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:20

        ... with you.

    14. MBMatt Braunger33:20

        Mm-hmm. Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan33:22

        Right? Don't-

    16. MBMatt Braunger33:22

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan33:22

        Don't you feel like that?

    18. MBMatt Braunger33:23

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:23

        Like, it's not as simple as I'm getting high.

    20. MBMatt Braunger33:25

        No.

    21. JRJoe Rogan33:25

        Like, when I smoke weed, I feel like I'm getting high.

    22. MBMatt Braunger33:27

        Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:27

        When I eat mushrooms, I feel like I'm entering into the thought process of an alien creature.

    24. MBMatt Braunger33:32

        Oh, yeah. Yeah. You, you put on, like, a spacesuit on the inside-

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:35

        Yeah.

    26. MBMatt Braunger33:35

        ... in a way. And it ... And you're, you're evolving a certain way, if only for, like, seven or eight hours or something.

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:42

        Yeah.

    28. MBMatt Braunger33:42

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan33:42

        Do you ever micro-dose?

    30. MBMatt Braunger33:43

        No.
12. 35:45 – 42:39

    Comedy venues, architecture, and the internet changing the entire business

    1. MBMatt Braunger35:45

       That's what people don't think about in terms of ... I think, like, we only think about that, comedians and promoters. Like, the, the architecture of a good comedy room.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       Yeah.

    3. MBMatt Braunger35:52

       You know, like, ge- generally speaking, comedy clubs, lower ceiling.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       Yeah, like the OR.

    5. MBMatt Braunger35:56

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:57

       The OR at The Comedy Store.

    7. MBMatt Braunger35:58

       Yeah, it's perfect.

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:59

       Or, uh, do you ever do Comedy Works in Denver?

    9. MBMatt Braunger36:01

       Yeah, love ... Psh-

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:02

        Flawless.

    11. MBMatt Braunger36:03

        Flawless.

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:03

        Flaw- they nailed it.

    13. MBMatt Braunger36:04

        Yeah, ac-

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:05

        La Jolla Comedy Store.

    15. MBMatt Braunger36:06

        Yes.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:06

        Flawless.

    17. MBMatt Braunger36:07

        Acme in Minneapolis.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:08

        Yes. Fl-

    19. MBMatt Braunger36:08

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:09

        Well, Acme's got a few pillars that are a little annoying.

    21. MBMatt Braunger36:11

        That's true. That's true.

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:12

        (laughs)

    23. MBMatt Braunger36:12

        It's a huge building, but the ceiling height is just right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:15

        They got wide-ass pillars. You're like, "What if I'm sitting right here? I gotta do this to watch the show?"

    25. MBMatt Braunger36:19

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:19

        "I gotta lean left?"

    27. MBMatt Braunger36:20

        You worry about who's behind it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:21

        Yeah.

    29. MBMatt Braunger36:22

        It's like doing comedy in the round. I'm always like ... I feel like I have to keep spinning, you know, to give everyone a show.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:26

        Yeah, I've only done that a couple times, and it always feels weird.
13. 42:39 – 1:02:43

    Stage dynamics: edited YouTube humor vs live timing, and hostile crowds

    1. MBMatt Braunger42:39

       And you don't have to use ... I feel like in between there, uh, one thing you, one thing you left out was the amount of w- the rise of what you call the internet comedian, which where they just kind of would make blogs and they had people that would edit them so they, they would be funny.

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:52

       Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    3. MBMatt Braunger42:52

       You know what I mean? Like you and I have come up over, you know, 20 odd years doing standup where you learn timing, you learn how to read an audience, the ebb and the flow, your brainwaves and how to pick when to say something and how. You know, 'cause timing is everything.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       Yeah.

    5. MBMatt Braunger43:06

       With, with, uh, an internet video, you can have an editor just go, "Nope, here, here, here, here."

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:11

       Right.

    7. MBMatt Braunger43:11

       He should have said that faster. And it, it's this thing that kind of vaunted these kids into, you know, YouTube millionaires if they were lucky, but sometimes they'd go on the road and people were like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:23

       Sometimes.

    9. MBMatt Braunger43:23

       ... "What's going on?" You know?

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:24

        Every single time they'd eat plates of shit.

    11. MBMatt Braunger43:26

        (laughs) Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        Like you can't just do ... That's like learning karate in your basement, practicing in the mirror-

    13. MBMatt Braunger43:32

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:32

        ... and then going to fight in a tournament.

    15. MBMatt Braunger43:34

        I- i- it's like those guys ... I saw that, that, that thing you put up online of those, those, those tutorials, horrible tutorials.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        Oh, fake martial arts?

    17. MBMatt Braunger43:40

        "Come at me."

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        Yeah.

    19. MBMatt Braunger43:41

        Slap, slap, slap. You know, it's like that's-

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:42

        It's exactly like that.

    21. MBMatt Braunger43:42

        It's like that guy entering-

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:44

        Right, in, in a real fight.

    23. MBMatt Braunger43:44

        ... you know, the squared circle with a pr- someone who knows what he's doing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:47

        Are they still doing that style of video where they edit constantly and make those YouTube videos where it's constant edit, edit, edit, edit, edit? Where they cut out all the pauses. Is that still a thing?

    25. GUGuest43:57

        I mean, it's ... Cer- there's all sorts of styles on YouTube s- Yeah, I could find you 100 videos of that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        Yeah, but-

    27. GUGuest44:02

        But yeah, but I've, it-

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:03

        You remember when that was like the primary-

    29. GUGuest44:05

        Sure.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:05

        ... way these people were doing these blogs? Everybody had ... It was like, then you had blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like everything was edited, but ever-

Episode duration: 2:18:47