Joe Rogan Experience #1238 - Brian Redban

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (sniffs) Four, three, two,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (sniffs) Four, three, two, one. (imitates light bulb turning off) Hey, fella. What's going on?

   2. BRBrian Redban0:10

      Hey. How have you been?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      How was it like to get that quick Quake fix?

   4. BRBrian Redban0:13

      Oh, my God. Uh, uh, it's so amazing how fast it came back to me, like the addiction of playing that game over and over again.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (sniffs) It's a real problem.

   6. BRBrian Redban0:20

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Yeah, we've been going crazy. Jamie's been fucking me up too.

   8. JVJamie Vernon0:24

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      So today-

   10. JVJamie Vernon0:25

       Have mercy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       ... I got lucky that he had to help you get his shit together.

   12. JVJamie Vernon0:28

       Three early kills, I saw that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Dude, he's been fucking me up.

   14. BRBrian Redban0:31

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Not, not nice.

   16. BRBrian Redban0:32

       And y- you don't really play Quake, right? You just... It's from-

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:34

       Yeah. I, uh-

   18. BRBrian Redban0:34

       ... playing a lot of Fortnite and stuff?

   19. JVJamie Vernon0:35

       I tested myself a little bit 'cause I knew this was gonna happen eventually, so I had to get some practice with some rockets at, at some point.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Mm.

   21. JVJamie Vernon0:42

       And, yeah. But it helped... It honestly helps to warm up with Quake to play Fortnite or play PUBG or something like that 'cause the quick whatever it is of aiming, you don't do it that much. So, like, when you're doing it three times, you've already done it 55 times playing Quake just in one round.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Right.

   23. JVJamie Vernon0:54

       So like your little interaction you have with someone with a shotgun, you usually win, so.

   24. BRBrian Redban0:58

       (sighs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Quake is so fast-paced.

   26. BRBrian Redban1:00

       Yeah.

   27. JVJamie Vernon1:00

       We're playing Quake 4. It's like, whoa.

   28. BRBrian Redban1:02

       It's like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Jesus Christ.

   30. BRBrian Redban1:04

       I haven't played that game in maybe 15 years.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   You mean like get…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      the right message? Like, as soon as someone thinks they're pushing the right message, but they don't have a ... there's no debate about that, right? They just decide our way is the right way. And they're pushing this, and there's a radical opposition to that message from half the country. Like, the, like ... But you, you're like, "No, no, no, but this is the one that's in cont- controlling the narrative. This is the one that's in c- c- control of social media." It's this far left-leaning ideology, and the other part gets pushed aside. That's a very bad situation for all of us. Because there has to be conversation, there has to be debate. 'Cause if there's not, it just shores up the differences between two people, and they fucking hate each other even more. I did not take that into account, and I fucked up. That's my mistake. That is my mistake when I made that podcast. But I didn't take it easy on him because I didn't want to discuss those issues. I just didn't think enough of it in advance. I'm not as involved in it as other people are. I'm aware that there's censorship in social media. I'm aware. M- my, my ideas going into that conversation were more about how insane this method is for distributing information. For the people that have been banned and for the people that were fans of the people that were banned, I can understand why they'd be upset at me. It has nothing to do with any preconceived notions that I had, it's just how the conversation took place. That's all it is. And if you felt let down by that, you didn't feel like it was as ex- extensive enough, I'm more than willing to do it and go further into it, and we're going to. And Jack offered it, and he's gonna bring someone else who's gonna explain things to us. I think this will be very beneficial for everybody. I also think that there should be a road to redemption. I think if you've got something that's important as Twitter or Facebook or Instagram, i- if you're not stealing someone's stuff, like, you know, u- using copyrighted music or something on, on an Instagram page where you get banned over and over again for doing it but you keep doing it, if it's not something like that, if it's, if it's a, an ideological difference, if maybe you crossed a line that they, they decided was a line, you should be able to work your way back. You should ... There should, there should be a way where you can sign up again.

   2. GUGuest17:14

      You mean like get a new email address? (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:16

      I don't mean that, man.

   4. GUGuest17:17

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:17

      I mean be the same person.

   6. GUGuest17:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:18

      You should, you should be able to be the same person. There should be a way.

   8. GUGuest17:21

      But there should be different levels, definitely.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:23

      Don't ... Well, well, we ... Everybody ... People fuck up, man. They, they fuck up and they make mistakes. Right? And people also grow. I mean, there's this, uh, guy that was on Sam Harris's podcast, um, Christian Piccolini I think is his name. He was a fucking white supremacist, a full-on white supremacist. And now, he is the exact opposite. He's, he's like this very progressive guy who gives speeches on the, the dangers of racism and that, and the ideo- ideology, how it caught up with him. Now, if, if he got banned when he was a young man and making terrible decisions and then became a better person, shouldn't we give a, a guy like that a chance to get back on a platform?... right? And without making a whole new screen name. Like, maybe it would be ... Um, and I, I don't think there's anything wrong with the anonymous model. There's some things that are really good about it, right? Like, peop- like, Jack even talked about this, that people can report news stuff and not worry about fear of retribution. That they can, you know, they can whistleblow and not worry about fear of retribution. If someone's life is on the line, but they're trying to provide a service to the general public, or they're trying to give people information that may be- might even save lives, but could put them at risk, especially in, like, third world countries or war-torn countries, that could be a huge problem if you have to post, you know, Brian Redban. If this is the only way you can get this information out, you have to use your whole name. But it'd probably be better off for everybody if people had a, a, a way of communicating with each other like it's just person-to-person. And I think the, the real problem is when people try to engineer these conversations. And this is another conversation about YouTube. People have said that we're deleting comments on YouTube. We're not deleting anything. We haven't deleted any comments. I don't know how it works. I don't read them. I'm sure people say mean things. Have a good time. The thumbs up, thumbs down thing, look, we, we, we don't have to have that on there. You don't have to have comments on there. YouTube gives you the option to have comments on and to have the thumbs up, thumbs down. I'm not taking those off. G- have a good time with it. But we're not fucking with that. There's something that they're doing that's not, it's not, I post at 3:41 and Jamie posts at 3:42 and this is the line of the comments. It's not like that. They've got their own way of doing it. The question is, why does YouTube do it? What's their, what, what are they trying to do? Uh, is it, are they trying to block out spam? Are they trying to block out hate speech? Are tr- are they trying to engineer conversation?

   10. GUGuest20:03

       Are you talking about comment order?

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       Comments on ... No. Do- comments disappear. They go away.

   12. GUGuest20:08

       Uh, w- a lot of times, it's automatic. If somebody flags a comment, th- it will just take the comment away until it's, like, looked over upon.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       Only one person?

   14. GUGuest20:17

       Yeah. On, I think on YouTube, that, that happens quite often.

   15. Yeah, it could probably be as l- little as one or two people, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       So, that is probably what's happening to all you folks that think your comments are getting deleted. No one's deleting shit.

   17. GUGuest20:28

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       Look, I'm, I'm not attached to what I do in the sense that I'm unwilling to look at what I do wrong. I try to look at everything that I do wrong, including this. So, if you were upset at this podcast because you thought somehow or another I sold out because I didn't ask him any more questions, I just asked him the questions I wanted to ask. I understand you have more ques- more questions. And I do, too. I, I have more questions, too. Especially upon seeing people's reaction to it, and upon, you know, making myself pay more attention to all these various stories. Uh, Matt sent us a, a list of them. Some of them are really fucking crazy. There's some crazy things people have said and not gotten in trouble for. Whereas other people said things that really weren't that bad and got in trouble for it. Why is that? That's a good question to ask. So, we'll, we'll concentrate on that. We're just gonna work out a date. So, my humblest apologies to all of you. Don't- I'm not trying to let anybody down. I always try to do my best. That's it. And, and also, here's another clear one. No one tells me what to do. There's no one, there's no secret person behind the scenes. If I fuck up, it's because of me. It's my fuck up. I should have prepared more. I should have thought about it more. But I didn't realize, like, how upset people would be.

   19. GUGuest21:44

       I think you did a great- I thought it was a great interview, and I didn't even think of that. I thought you kind of touched on it a little when you were talking about Alex Jones, and I think that was like, "Okay, you know, this is what happens with-" Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:53

       Well, it's a very specific group of people that are upset.

   21. GUGuest21:55

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       It's r- right wing guys.

   23. GUGuest21:56

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:57

       It's, it's a lot of American flags, a lot of Pepe the Frogs. (laughs)

   25. GUGuest22:00

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:00

       It's alt-right people. Which, look, man, easily could have been me at many points in my life. Easily. Especially being a troll online. You know, if you're working some fucking job and you're making Pepe the Frog memes and you're fucking with people, I get it. I get it. It's one of the things I like about the internet. Like, I don't, I don't wanna be comfortable. I'm li- I don't, I don't wanna be comfortable all the time. I want, I want a little bit of chaos. I like the fact that there's people, like, they're like, that fucking ... I was upset that that Radiolab podcast, they took it down, where they were fucking with Shia LaBeouf, with those guys from 4chan. And the way they took it down was they contacted Radiolab and said, "Those guys are white supremacists and they support white supremacy." You know, and th- and you just, you know, you made these people that are awful, terrible people, that write terrible things, you, you, you gave them props. But the thing about something like 4chan is, no, you might read some terrible things. But you gotta realize you're also reading terrible things from anonymous people that are working at their jobs most of the time, and they're trying to fuck with people's head. And they're trying to get people upset. They're, they're, they're having a good time fucking with people. If you want to take them as that- that's like them, like, giving, giving a talk to a dear friend, or them giving an affidavit in court, well, you're missing the whole thing. It's entertainment. Like, half of the whole reason why they're doing it is entertainment. They didn't go steal Shia LaBeouf's flag and go, and go right into the camera and go, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf," by using coordinates from photographs of th- the sky where they figured out where the fucking, where the, the constellations lie and then drove around honking their horn so that they could locate where it was by using the webcam and listening to how close they got to it. I mean, it's fucking genius shit. And it got taken down just by this accusation of them being racist. But the thing about a forum like 4chan or Reddit or anything, you have so many fucking people. You have thousands and thousands and thousands of people. If you just have 10 cunts posting-... jokes about Black people. That's all you need to ruin the reputation of thousands of people. So for someone to say that everybody that was like, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf," is some racist and white supremacist, that's a cheap way out. That's a cheap way out. I bet more likely, it's some dude who's bored, and he's sitting in front of his fucking computer, and he works all day, and this is where he, he escapes. He escapes and, and types, and writes things, then checks them later, and then goes back to it and types things and checks. And it keeps him sane in this stupid fucking cubicle. That's a lot of the people. So they pulled that whole amazing podcast down because of that. Look, what he... The Shia LaBeouf thing was ridiculous. "He will not divide us." Come on. Stop! Stop. We get to chant that everywhere. It's funny what they did. They mock something. That's their way of mocking it. Nobody got hurt. They made it out like it was this, like, awful crime they committed on this, this am- amazing person who's just trying to change the world. No, no, they, they pranked Shia LaBeouf, and they said, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf." Is, is that how you say it?

   27. JVJamie Vernon25:11

       Shia LaBeouf. (laughs)

   28. GUGuest25:13

       LaBooth?

   29. JVJamie Vernon25:13

       LaBeouf.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:13

       LaBeouf, whatever it is.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yes.…

   1. GUGuest30:00

      uh, went over 100,000 subscribers the other day.

   2. JVJamie Vernon30:03

      Yes.

   3. BRBrian Redban30:03

      And it was, like, months ago that he was just had, like, 10.

   4. JVJamie Vernon30:05

      That, that ha- that, that's the argument some people have made that t- that's how fast the Paul brothers, they grew and th- they grew so fast on YouTube that some people thought there was something up. They gained, like, millions of followers within a week or two of being on there. And they, they were coming from another platform.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      Well, it's also, there's, coming from another platform is giant, but it's also, all it really takes is one person deciding that whatever the fuck you did was funny or weird or crazy, like that Cashew Outside girl.

   6. BRBrian Redban30:31

      Yeah. Well, there's, that girl's, you know, managed by the same people that own TMZ.

   7. JVJamie Vernon30:35

      That-

   8. BRBrian Redban30:35

      And that's why you see it on TMZ every day.

   9. JVJamie Vernon30:37

      Yeah, I was gonna bring up-

   10. BRBrian Redban30:38

       (laughs)

   11. JVJamie Vernon30:38

       ... if you watch the Fyre, the Fyre Festival documentary, there's a, an explanation of, they show how they sp- uh, they spread the v- act- the Fuck Jerry guys, the marketing team spread that with the orange picture. It was a coordinated event over hundreds of different social media accounts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       For her? For the Cash me Outside girl?

   13. JVJamie Vernon30:54

       No, for, and then-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       For Fye Fest?

   15. BRBrian Redban30:54

       This is a s- yeah, for the Fyre Festival, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Fyre Festival. Keep saying Fyre.

   17. JVJamie Vernon30:56

       For, to catch everybody's... Because there are a team of people, there are agencies that have all these influencer accounts.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JVJamie Vernon31:02

       They pay them. They don't have to accept the money or d- accept the offer, accept the campaign, but oftentimes they do.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       So it's like a talent agency?

   21. JVJamie Vernon31:11

       100%. Yeah. Yeah.

   22. BRBrian Redban31:12

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Interesting.

   24. JVJamie Vernon31:12

       They need to share a new person, you know, launch the next-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       Oh.

   26. JVJamie Vernon31:14

       ... the next voice and it's like, "Oh, here's a new song. Here's a new movie." It's just a new way to spread stuff.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       What the fuck bro?

   28. BRBrian Redban31:19

       Yeah. It's pretty cool watching how many people are unsubscribing to F- Fuck Jerry and, uh, Fat Joe though. That's int-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       Yeah, but are they? I looked at it the other day. It was just, they have like 14 million.

   30. JVJamie Vernon31:29

       They lost 500,000 in like a week end.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   My grandmother would have…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      boobs and tiny flat butts and they, they were perfect.

   2. BRBrian Redban45:03

      My grandmother would have millions of (laughs) Instagram model hits.

   3. JVJamie Vernon45:07

      (laughs) Fat Bottomed Girls was before that slightly, but no one really-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Oh, right.

   5. JVJamie Vernon45:10

      It didn't catch on, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      "You Make the Rocking World Go Round." That's a great goddamn song. I didn't see Bohemian Rhapsody, did you?

   7. JVJamie Vernon45:16

      I didn't see it either, no.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Did you see it?

   9. BRBrian Redban45:17

      Nah.

   10. JVJamie Vernon45:17

       I don't think so.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       What?

   12. BRBrian Redban45:18

       I heard it wasn't that good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       What the fuck are you guys talking about? I heard it was amazing.

   14. JVJamie Vernon45:22

       Did you?

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       Yeah, I did. I'm a giant Queen fan though. I love them. That's my, uh, my number one cryogenic song when I'm in the cryo chamber is Dragon Attack. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do 'cause you gotta move around when you're in that 240 degrees below zero. It's hard to just sit still, do a little dancing in there.

   16. JVJamie Vernon45:40

       I read a, uh, he did a- Rami Malek I think is the, the actor's name that played him, Freddie Mercury.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Oh, yeah.

   18. JVJamie Vernon45:45

       He did a really good job, but, uh, before it happened, Sacha Baron Cohen was sort of in talks for it, but he, he wanted to take the character in a different direction that no one was really comfortable with.

   19. BRBrian Redban45:55

       Ah, see, I would have rather have seen that.

   20. JVJamie Vernon45:57

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       No, man. What would he have done?

   22. JVJamie Vernon45:59

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       What was that? What does that mean?

   24. JVJamie Vernon46:01

       I don't know. I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       See, that's a weird thing, man. You can't-

   26. JVJamie Vernon46:03

       'Cause it's been said too that to, to get spicy talk.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       But you can't just add stuff.

   28. BRBrian Redban46:08

       "My wife."

   29. JVJamie Vernon46:09

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yeah, you can't just-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:55

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Francis Ngannou knocking out Alistair Overeem type punch, yeah. (laughs)

   2. JVJamie Vernon1:00:06

      (laughs)

   3. BRBrian Redban1:00:06

      I was...

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah, it's me and Dominic and Jon Anik and Anik's up and I'm leaning back. It's... Crazy job, man. It's a crazy job. So that was the, the moment.

   5. JVJamie Vernon1:00:17

      Oh, DC one, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      And you see the one below it? See that v- g- go back to that. See that one below it where I'm staring at the camera in the upper right h- no.

   7. JVJamie Vernon1:00:26

      Oh, yeah, yeah. That- yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      That one there. That fr- was a video taken by John Wayne Parr. Jon Wayne Parr, who's a multiple time world Muay Thai champion and friend of mine, a great guy who lives in Australia, was there at the fights in Australia when Holly Holm knocked out Ronda Rousey. And he filmed Holly Holm head kicking Ronda Rousey and then turns to me and I turn to him and I was like, "What the fuck just happened?"I was like, "Whoa! Whoa." But when you see it, like, in that moment, when you see, when you see something that's, that's fucking nuts in that moment, you're like, "I can't even believe what I saw." Like, that was me, like, I looked at him and he looked at me and we were both like, "Whoa, dude."

   9. BRBrian Redban1:01:09

      Hmm.

   10. GUGuest1:01:10

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       "That was crazy." There's no sport like that. S- s- some sports just, you know, they just have this, uh, this moment f- where everybody gets a jolt of a drug. You know? Everybody just gets this, "Wha!"

   12. BRBrian Redban1:01:29

       You mean that didn't happen last night at the Super Bowl for you?

   13. GUGuest1:01:31

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       I left before it ended. I was at a friend's party.

   15. BRBrian Redban1:01:34

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       Went to a Super Bowl party. It was fun.

   17. GUGuest1:01:36

       The lowest viewed one in the last 10 years.

   18. BRBrian Redban1:01:39

       Are you serious?

   19. GUGuest1:01:39

       Yeah, but not by a lot, but yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       It's 'cause they knew that that handsome man was gonna take his shirt off.

   21. BRBrian Redban1:01:44

       Oh, gosh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       What's his name?

   23. GUGuest1:01:45

       Adam Levine.

   24. BRBrian Redban1:01:46

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       This beautiful man.

   26. BRBrian Redban1:01:46

       There's no nipples or ... Everyone's talking about his nipples.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       He doesn't have nipples?

   28. BRBrian Redban1:01:49

       No, he has nice brown nipples but then you're like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       What's wrong with them?

   30. BRBrian Redban1:01:52

       ... Janet Jackson, like, the big, you know, that went crazy.

Episode duration: 2:02:55