Joe Rogan Experience #1239 - Travis Barker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Let's do it. Four,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Let's do it. Four, one, boom. Hello, Travis.

   2. TBTravis Barker0:07

      What's going on?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Thanks, man. Thanks for doing this.

   4. TBTravis Barker0:09

      Oh, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      I really appreciate it.

   6. TBTravis Barker0:10

      Stoked to be here.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      S- s- cool to have you. Hey, so I wanted to talk about what we were talking about right before we started. I- I've always watched you play drums, and I'm like, "How the fuck does that guy's arms not fall off?" I mean, you, you have so much repetitive motion. I've never understood how you could do that.

   8. TBTravis Barker0:26

      Just barely. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      (laughs)

   10. TBTravis Barker0:28

       No, I, I kind of-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Pull this, pull this thing, like, right up, like a fist from your face. There we go.

   12. TBTravis Barker0:32

       I always do battle ropes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Oh, okay. That h- that must do something.

   14. TBTravis Barker0:36

       Constantly, like, I'll do 30 minutes. Um, you know, not high intensity the whole time, but just keep my shoulders and arms moving as I prepare for a tour. But yeah, I think my wrists, my wrists probably have gone through the most hell over the years. Like, I just feel like just normal people's wrist strength, I probably don't have 'cause there's been so much grinding, like, they pop and-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Oh, Jesus.

   16. TBTravis Barker0:58

       ... do all sorts of weird things. But yeah, but I'm still, you know, I feel like because I do battle ropes and because I box and the... kind of work out fast twitch muscles, I really don't get tired.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       That's... uh, it's amazing. Like, uh, 'cause so many people have repetitive stress injuries.

   18. TBTravis Barker1:13

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       You know, I mean, even secretaries, they get carpal tunnel. You know, people get... who write a lot, get carpal tunnel.

   20. TBTravis Barker1:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Kids are getting injuries on their thumbs from, you know, fucking around with their phone too much.

   22. TBTravis Barker1:22

       Yeah, I felt like when I smoked cigarettes a lot, I was feeling kind of the first symptoms of that stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Ah.

   24. TBTravis Barker1:28

       And I wasn't drinking a lot. I was kind of a dumpster on tour, you know, not really taking care of my body, and I could really feel it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       And then y- y- are you still vegan?

   26. TBTravis Barker1:39

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       And you run that restaurant, right? Um, uh, what is it? Crossroads or it's one of your-

   28. TBTravis Barker1:44

       S-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       ... your... one of the owners?

   30. TBTravis Barker1:45

       Running it is saying a lot.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. TBTravis Barker15:00

      it ... I made the big mistake of not bringing a bunch, but I got to Iraq. We went to Iraq for, like right when the war broke out. What was it, like 2003 or 2004?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TBTravis Barker15:10

      And we were over there and, and, uh, Scandalous Esteban Oriol, the photographer, he's over there with us documenting the whole thing. And I pull it out 'cause we're at this, this airport in Bahrain, but I feel like it's a field and no one's gonna mess with us. And he's like, "Hey bro, look, look at, look at the back of your fucking passport. Look what it says." And it says right there like, you're basically like m- they'll kill you if they, if they find, you know, you brought any drugs into Iraq or s- you know, where we were, Bahrain. So I did away with everything and I just kinda took up drinking on that trip. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      (laughs)

   5. TBTravis Barker15:42

      And I'm not really much of a drinker but-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:45

      Do you still smoke weed?

   7. TBTravis Barker15:47

      I don't. Nah. I have a friend who, who's like a dear friend, who's like cool, like young doctor named Dr. B. in San Diego and I called him. He actually removed my, m- my tonsils and then like a week later I found out I had what w- what was called pre-cancer, Barrett's esophagus. I said, "What does this mean, Dr. B.? Should I just like kinda like, kinda like tone down like how much I'm smoking?" He's like, "No. This means ... Like this is your warning shot. Like pay attention, stop smoking." Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:14

      Esophageal cancer's a rough one too. Uh-

   9. TBTravis Barker16:16

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       ... that's what killed Christopher Hitchens.

   11. TBTravis Barker16:18

       Really?

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a rough one. That kills a lot of fucking people.

   13. TBTravis Barker16:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Once you get it, you get it and you're gone basically.

   15. TBTravis Barker16:26

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       It's kill- I think it kills like ... I think Hitch said like 95% of the people that get it.

   17. TBTravis Barker16:30

       Damn.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah.

   19. TBTravis Barker16:32

       Yeah. So I, I felt like he, he's always pretty honest with me and I, I just stopped. Like I love CBD.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah.

   21. TBTravis Barker16:38

       Like that's pretty much what I mess with now but that's all.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       Do you find d- d- the C ... A lot of people use CBD and it, they find that it alleviates anxiety and lets them sleep better. Do you find that?

   23. TBTravis Barker16:49

       Yeah, as long as I take like triple or quadruple the amount that it says to take on the bottle.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Right.

   25. TBTravis Barker16:54

       'Cause I feel like what I take ... If I take what the proper dosage is-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Mm-hmm.

   27. TBTravis Barker16:57

       ... it doesn't do much, but I'm one of those people whose mind's racing constantly. I'll get home from the studio at 1:00 or 2:00 and I'm just like kind of like figuring out how long I got to sleep before I get to wake up my kids and go to school, and I just sit there with my wheels spinning, unless I use CBD and then that kinda helps. And then I, I had w- I have what's called tr- trigeminal neuralgia. Have you ever heard of that?

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       No.

   29. TBTravis Barker17:21

       Oh, it's the fucking worst. It's called the suicide disease 'cause basically all of your nerves in your face are firing all at the same time. So it almost feels like what you feel when you think you need a root canal or you have like a tooth that's messed up, but I got trigeminal neuralgia and I've only had four episodes but when I do get it, I use CBD and it, it's been-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       Hm.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, and you, uh,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      way because you don't recover as well.

   2. TBTravis Barker30:01

      Yeah, and you, uh, you end up getting hurt or having-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yes.

   4. TBTravis Barker30:03

      ... to take a day off. You know what I started doing was-

   5. NANarrator30:06

      (coughs)

   6. TBTravis Barker30:06

      ... with this one trainer named Don, we, we figured out kind of like a metronome workout.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Mm.

   8. TBTravis Barker30:11

      So, you're actually like a tempo workout where you're training to a tempo.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Uh-huh.

   10. TBTravis Barker30:15

       So you have to do high reps, like you know, you'll stay to a minute and maybe the tempo is like-... you know what I mean?

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Hmm.

   12. TBTravis Barker30:23

       So, whatever, even if it's quick and you're not doing everything, like, exactly technique-wise, really slow, and, you know, um, it's, it's kind of like making sure you stay up with a tempo, which I feel like really helped me with, with staying quick and fast with drums, and more endurance, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Yeah, that makes sense. Like, is, is drumming a young man's game? I mean, is it like athletics where as you get older, drummers slow down?

   14. TBTravis Barker30:47

       I don't know. I haven't. I play just as wild as I did back in the day.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       And how old are you now?

   16. TBTravis Barker30:51

       43.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       You look great.

   18. TBTravis Barker30:53

       Oh, thank you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       You don't look 43.

   20. TBTravis Barker30:55

       Yeah, Max Weinberg told me one time, he was ... He watched me play, and he was like at a show where Blink played, and he's like, "I don't know how much longer you can play like that."

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       (laughs) 'Cause you fucking go hard, dude.

   22. TBTravis Barker31:05

       I was like, "Really?" He's like, "You're gonna need back surgery."

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       You play like you have rabies.

   24. TBTravis Barker31:08

       I was like, "Okay." (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Uh, you're just smashing the fucking drums.

   26. TBTravis Barker31:11

       So knock on wood, nothing has changed, and I've just ... I play exactly how I always have, you know. Um, I don't even wanna think about a day where I have to play any different.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Right.

   28. TBTravis Barker31:20

       I'm sure it'll come, but--

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Do you get massages?

   30. TBTravis Barker31:22

       Yes, I love massages.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I feel like a…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      the most unique MMA fighters ever.

   2. TBTravis Barker45:02

      I feel like a lot of people have kind of borrowed from his style too.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Oh, for sure.

   4. TBTravis Barker45:06

      You know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Yeah, for sure.

   6. TBTravis Barker45:07

      And not, not to say they didn't make it their own, but I feel like Dom was the first one you saw, you know, kinda move like that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Unquestionably.

   8. TBTravis Barker45:13

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      And that's because of his intelligence-

   10. TBTravis Barker45:15

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       ... 'cause he doesn't like getting hit.

   12. TBTravis Barker45:16

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       He's like, "Okay, I gotta figure out a way to not get hit so much. Like, what's the best way to not get hit?"

   14. TBTravis Barker45:20

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       And he just s- just came up with this very unorthodox way of moving. He's a real encyclopedia of information when you start talking to him about fighting. Like, he's ... I really enjoy doing commentary with him because he's so insightful. He's so good at pointing out little areas where he thinks people are making mistakes or how to capitalize-

   16. TBTravis Barker45:38

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       ... on certain things that people are doing.

   18. TBTravis Barker45:40

       Yeah, I've watched fights with him before and he's ... And he, he gives a different insight than what I'm seeing.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Yes.

   20. TBTravis Barker45:45

       You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's great.

   22. TBTravis Barker45:47

       Um-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Especially when it, and comes to wrestling, clinch work and, you know, and e- even s- like weird striking techniques. I mean, he just ... He's so good at befuddling people that he fights with, with movement and information. Like, he's giving them looks and, and they're, they're trying to set up. You know, they're standing there trying to set up and they don't know what the fuck he's doing and they have to reset. And they try it again, and then he's giving him a different look, and-

   24. TBTravis Barker46:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       ... he's standing over here, and then he's in front of you with his hands down, then he's not. And, yeah.

   26. TBTravis Barker46:16

       Yeah, it's a trip. He's great.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       Just fucked up his shoulder again, man.

   28. TBTravis Barker46:20

       I know, man. I think he, he trains so much. I feel like he just, you know, he's-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       Well, he's a savage.

   30. TBTravis Barker46:24

       He's obsessive. Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:05

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      my God, I graduated. I graduated."

   2. TBTravis Barker1:00:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Whew.

   4. TBTravis Barker1:00:03

      Yeah, it was the worst. I d- I was the same way, man. I just, like, just barely got by high school.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Did you go to school out here?

   6. TBTravis Barker1:00:10

      Well, I grew up in, like, Fontana.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Okay.

   8. TBTravis Barker1:00:12

      Riverside, Corona.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Fontucky.

   10. TBTravis Barker1:00:13

       Yep, Fontucky. Uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

       Shout out to Double Dose Muay Thai out there.

   12. TBTravis Barker1:00:17

       Yeah. Is there a good Muay Thai place out there?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       It's good, good Muay Thai gym out there. Yeah.

   14. TBTravis Barker1:00:19

       So people like to fight in Fontana.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       Mm, people like to fight everywhere.

   16. TBTravis Barker1:00:22

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       (laughs)

   18. TBTravis Barker1:00:23

       Um, no, you either fight-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       People like to fight at Beverly Hills.

   20. TBTravis Barker1:00:25

       You either fight or play football.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       (laughs) In Fontana?

   22. TBTravis Barker1:00:28

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Yeah. (laughs)

   24. TBTravis Barker1:00:28

       Um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Or you sell meth.

   26. TBTravis Barker1:00:30

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       (laughs)

   28. TBTravis Barker1:00:30

       But, uh, yeah, I was the same way. Just, just skated by high school, and then I remem- I didn't even wanna walk, I fucking hated it so much. I actually rode my skateboard with my friends that were, like, much older than me that I'd go skateboarding with every day. And we were skateboarding by the high school as everyone walked and got their diploma. And I was just like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Did you get your diploma?

   30. TBTravis Barker1:00:48

       "... fuck that." Yeah, they sent it to me, but-

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