The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1252 - Dave Foley & Paul Greenberg
EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,007 words- 0:04 – 3:04
Launching their podcast with a forbidden word: Canadian vs American swearing
- JRJoe Rogan
Four, three, two, one. And we're live. So what am I not supposed to say?
- DFDave Foley
Huh?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Oh, uh, yeah, cunt.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's our, uh-
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
That's basically, that's the title. The title of the show that we've, we've, we've, uh, uh, omitted from the print (laughs) -
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yes.
- DFDave Foley
... listings-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDave Foley
... is, uh, yeah, the show's actually called Don't Say Cunt-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
... uh, with Paul and Dave.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Because this is the one place where you're not gonna hear the word cunt.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. It's a kind of a promise that for 45 minutes-
- PGPaul Greenberg
On our show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- DFDave Foley
There'll be 45 minutes, uh, 'cause as we understand it, Americans don't like the word cunt.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some Americans.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's getting number.
- DFDave Foley
That's what the, well, yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, but until that day.
- PGPaul Greenberg
It used to be a lot worse.
- JRJoe Rogan
There was a, there's an, a, a bunch of women that were trying to take it back. Who was it? Was that the, The Guys We Fucked girls?
- DFDave Foley
Maybe.
- 3:04 – 5:03
Monarchy, celebrity culture, and reality TV as modern royalty
- JRJoe Rogan
You guys have English people in your money still.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yes.
- DFDave Foley
And we get all the English movies-
- PGPaul Greenberg
Mm-hmm.
- DFDave Foley
... all the English TV shows.
- PGPaul Greenberg
We, we, we, uh, pledge allegiance to the Queen in school, you know, when I was a kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
For real? Still? Is that still going on?
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Possibly, yeah.
- DFDave Foley
And in our sleep.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So many good things about Canada, yet so many preposterous things.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yes.
- DFDave Foley
It's true. It, the fact, well, the fact that a monarchy still exists at all is preposterous.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Canada is great on paper.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (laughs) Well, the monarchy i- even in itself has, has become Kardashianified.
- DFDave Foley
Well, yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Right.
- DFDave Foley
Like, well, um, I... But didn't they, weren't they always? I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
I guess they were.
- DFDave Foley
I mean, what, how else did they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like during the prince died days and-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Or even just back to Henry VIII. I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- DFDave Foley
... how did, what, what maintained the, the monarchy other than the fact that people wanted celebrities?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 5:03 – 8:22
Fame without craft: why attention breaks people
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yeah, um, the Beverly Hills one s- uh, the, all of them were fascinating. It was take, take people, force them in to these situations where they're gonna have these artificial disputes. What was c- uh, crazy to me is watching people succumb to the pressure of all of that attention-
- DFDave Foley
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... when they've never experienced it before. And then you're gonna just thrust them into this massively popular, you know-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for lack of a better word, cunt fest.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right?
- DFDave Foley
See? Well if you take-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DFDave Foley
... you take fame...
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. And you divorce it of any supporting, sort of supporting unders- you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Talent.
- DFDave Foley
... structure. Yeah, it's talent.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Or that supports the fame.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nothing, no offering even.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Something to offer, yeah. Nothing to offer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. No offering. There's no-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like painting, no sculpting.
- DFDave Foley
No, nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's no singing. Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
They only take.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
They only give. 'Cause fame will destroy... If you're a brilliant artist, fame will destroy you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yes.
- DFDave Foley
But if, if there's nothing underneath the fame, it's, there's, there's nothing to hold it up.
- 8:22 – 10:07
The social weirdness of being recognized: entitlement, interrogation, and hostility
- DFDave Foley
Well, I always said, like, the, the f- uh, that fame is a property of, of the beholder, not the beheld.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- DFDave Foley
And that, that fame only exists so long as somebody in the room knows who you are.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
And the minute you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDave Foley
... in a room where no one knows you, your fame evaporates.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is one of the weirdest interrogations I've ever gotten, is when people go, "Who ... Why do these-"
- DFDave Foley
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"... people know you?"
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"What do you do?"
- PGPaul Greenberg
Oh, yeah. "Who are you?"
- JRJoe Rogan
"Who are you?"
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah. "Should I know you?"
- DFDave Foley
"Should I take a photo with you?"
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah. There were somebody-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
... but I don't know who.
- DFDave Foley
The weird thing is they're almost offended that other people know you and they don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Like, "Why ... You're playing a game with me."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
"Why are you ... Why, why don't I know you?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
They get angry.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- 10:07 – 12:59
Acting and NewsRadio memories: craft, stress, and never enjoying it in the moment
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, are you still doing that show with, uh, Dr. Ken?
- DFDave Foley
No, uh, we stopped when they canceled it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- DFDave Foley
Uh ...
- PGPaul Greenberg
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's always a good move.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, not right away.
- PGPaul Greenberg
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
It's several months in. Uh ...
- PGPaul Greenberg
To be fair, you kept doing the show after it was canceled, right?
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. We didn't, we didn't, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Was it called The Doctors? Is that what it's called?
- DFDave Foley
No. (laughs) The Doc- ... No. That was the-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, that's the other one.
- DFDave Foley
That's, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the real one.
- DFDave Foley
... Dr. Oz, right?
- PGPaul Greenberg
It had a real-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
I can't remember. What was the name of it again?
- DFDave Foley
I mean, we can still call Dr. Oz a real doctor, right? That, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think so.
- DFDave Foley
He's ... Is he-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- DFDave Foley
... as far gone as Drew?
- JRJoe Rogan
Once you've been pushed in front-
- DFDave Foley
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... of Congress-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they question you on your weight loss claims-
- 12:59 – 17:06
What happened to sitcom comedy: laugh tracks, ‘good enough,’ and changing movie culture
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what's fascinating is I don't think those shows are being made anymore.
- DFDave Foley
No. Not the, not like that.
No. No.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, there's the Chuck Lorre type shows that I watch and I go, "I'm missing a gene."
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. Why-
(laughs)
Why is everyone-
It's like some-
Why is everyone laughing so hard?
Yeah. Yeah. To be-
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... ever seen those without the laugh track?
- DFDave Foley
No. (laughs) I can imagine what that must be like.
They, they've, they've taken some of those shows- Oh, I've seen like Big Bang Theory and that kind of stuff.
I would like to see that.
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They've removed the laugh track, and you watch it with just the actors saying the words. And it's like-
- DFDave Foley
Does anything funny ever happen on it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's just, it's strange. It's like you're watching, um, uh, uh, i- it just doesn't make any sense. It's like-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's, it's illogical.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, and that, that, that, that place people get in their heads where they just go, "It'll be fine."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Like, I mean, news radio, if we did a scene and it didn't get a laugh, we rewrote the whole scene.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
Literally. Like in f-... with the audience there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Well, I think the term good enough is perfect for comedy.
Yeah.
- 17:06 – 26:56
Why they started the podcast: spouses, producing, and Dave’s 10-year separation that never became a divorce
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So, uh, how long you guys been doing this podcast?
- DFDave Foley
This, how long have we been... Since just before Christmas-
Yeah.
... I guess.
It's not, not that long.
December.
Not that long.
Yeah, probably time to wrap it up.
We've known each other, we've known each other a long time.
30 years I guess.
- JRJoe Rogan
What motivated it?
- DFDave Foley
Our wives.
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They say, "Get the fuck outta here."
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
They wanted us out of the house pretty much. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
That's, it was, yeah, they said, "What-"
They said, "Can you go do something somewhere else?"
"... do something." And, uh, and they're actually e- e- in, on the podcast with us. Like, uh, Chrissie, my wife, produces it and, you know-
Good.
... puts it all together.
Jackie Harris, Greenberg is my wife and she's-
- JRJoe Rogan
It makes it super hard to fire her.
- DFDave Foley
It is. Well...
No. We're the ones who will get fired.
Oh, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Well, she fired me once, so-
That's true.
- 26:56 – 30:47
Marriage as risk and business: divorce economics and the Phil Hartman tragedy
- DFDave Foley
Well, how long, how long have you been married now?
- JRJoe Rogan
10 years.
- DFDave Foley
And you've n- and you, that's the only time you've ever been married, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Thank God. Thank the baby Jesus.
- DFDave Foley
Oh my God, yes. (laughs) Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
(laughs)
- PGPaul Greenberg
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Praise, praise Jesus. (laughs)
- PGPaul Greenberg
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm stunned that it's working.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, it's a, it's great.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If it works, it's great.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I always tell people, "Don't do it. It's too risky."
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You get l- 50% of the people don't make it.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's not a good-
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- PGPaul Greenberg
... uh, good rate-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
... of success.
- JRJoe Rogan
Would you drive a car if you knew that 50% likely you would die in a crash?
- PGPaul Greenberg
Right.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. I mean, it was an institution that made sense when you were only gonna live to be 40.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) Sort, well, it makes sense. There's some parts of it that make sense. The problem is that it's become a business. And it's become-
- 30:47 – 34:11
From lawyers to time zones: railroads standardize time and culture follows
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, that might have been where humanity went wrong, was when the first guy said, "I'm gonna be a lawyer." Like, that was his decision. I'm looking around and I think, "Yeah, there's a lot of ugliness in the world."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, when was the first lawyer?
- PGPaul Greenberg
They never made it work.
- DFDave Foley
I gotta buck on it.
- JRJoe Rogan
When was the first lawyer? Like, when was the- there was a series of laws-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, who was that?
- JRJoe Rogan
... right? The first lawyers had to have been priests, right?
- DFDave Foley
I would guess so, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I mean the- the laws-
- DFDave Foley
The Pharisees.
- JRJoe Rogan
... initially-
- DFDave Foley
... were- were basically lawyers, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
What is the Pharisees?
- DFDave Foley
Like, the Jewish- the Jewish priests.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay. Makes sense.
- PGPaul Greenberg
That does make a lot of sense.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Probably a lot of my relatives.
- DFDave Foley
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, like when did it become a thing where it was- you would go to law school and it was, uh, a respectable occupation?
- DFDave Foley
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it would be good to know a good lawyer?
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. And-
- PGPaul Greenberg
I think those things started out as not respectable and-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- PGPaul Greenberg
... people did them 'cause they didn't have any other-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
... like, choice.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, so you-
- 34:11 – 38:30
Hawaii, invasive species, Alaska wildlife shifts, and Dave’s improv touring
- JRJoe Rogan
You know Arizona still doesn't do daylight savings time?
- DFDave Foley
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They're like, "Fuck you."
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"That's stupid."
- PGPaul Greenberg
They're allowed to do that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- DFDave Foley
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you drive from, like- if you drive from Nevada to Arizona you're- you're- you miss an hour.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah, they aren't the only state. Isn't there another state that doesn't?
- JRJoe Rogan
I wonder.
- DFDave Foley
I think there's more.
- JRJoe Rogan
Not that I'm aware of. Is there other ones?
- DFDave Foley
Hawaii doesn't either.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hawaii? Good for them.
- DFDave Foley
Well, yeah, they're good for them.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Well, Hawaii gets to do what they want.
- DFDave Foley
They're an island.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They s- we stole Hawaii.
- PGPaul Greenberg
That's right.
- DFDave Foley
N-
- JRJoe Rogan
That- that island is theirs.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a- that's a fucking country that we occupy with hotels.
- PGPaul Greenberg
You feel it when you're there.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. It's got its own feeling.
- 38:30 – 1:02:46
NewsRadio ratings, syndication games, and TV industry absurdities
- DFDave Foley
He put, he put us out of work.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did he?
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. I remember it was the Drew Carey Show that finally got Newsradio canceled.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- PGPaul Greenberg
Not so nice now.
- JRJoe Rogan
I thought it was Phil getting murdered.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Uh-huh.
- DFDave Foley
Nope. Nope.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Remember, we did a whole year after that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but I think that was what it was. I don't think they wanted to do it anymore after that. I don't know if that's true.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. But I think our ratings, our ratings tanked when we, when they put us up against Drew Carey.
- JRJoe Rogan
Our ratings are always shit.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the most amazing thing is that the ratings were really great once we got canceled, and then it was on TV like, uh, like they would show the reruns and people would go, "Oh, this is a funny show."
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah. They did, they found it-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
It's true.
- JRJoe Rogan
I remember Lou Morton, uh, one of our writers, showing up at the, he'd show up at The Read.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Yeah, The Table Reads.
- JRJoe Rogan
Table Read with a different number on his shirt every week when we were in the real shitter, when we were falling apart.
- PGPaul Greenberg
The low- (laughs)
- DFDave Foley
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The lowest-
- DFDave Foley
We were the lowest. Number 98-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
... out of 100 shows.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Oh, come on.
- JRJoe Rogan
88 was one day.
- 53:53 – 1:11:10
Ancient civilizations, cataclysms, and the UFO rabbit hole: evidence, ridicule, and ‘professional skeptics’
- JRJoe Rogan
... Erich von Daniken last week.
- DFDave Foley
Oh my God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Very interesting.
- DFDave Foley
Cool.
- JRJoe Rogan
Very weird.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's the guy who wrote Chariots of the Gods?
- PGPaul Greenberg
Oh, God.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's in... Yeah.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Like, staple book in our house.
- JRJoe Rogan
In his 80s now.
- DFDave Foley
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, he was showing us slides.
- PGPaul Greenberg
What's the real story there? I was wondering.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mostly nonsense.
- DFDave Foley
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Unfortunately.
- PGPaul Greenberg
Was it really?
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, yeah. Mostly, mostly what it is, is evidence-
- PGPaul Greenberg
Love that documentary.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of lost civilizations.
- DFDave Foley
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ancient civilizations that were incredibly advanced-I follow the work of Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and a few other people that are being proven actually correct more and more, a- almost on a daily basis, by new discoveries that show that th- that civilization predates what we initially thought. With, with the-
- PGPaul Greenberg
It goes way back farther back.
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The initial thought was that somewhere around the great pyramids, which is like 2,500 BC, that was about as good as anybody got, and you go back to like ancient Sumer-
- DFDave Foley
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... which is about 6,000 years ago and then that's basically it. What they're saying is that, no, there was most likely a reset, a global reset of civilization due to a cataclysmic disaster and there's a shit ton of evidence.
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