Joe Rogan Experience #1252 - Dave Foley & Paul Greenberg

1. 0:04 – 3:00

   Taboo word cold open, “Don’t Say Cunt” origin, and fixing the studio audio

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Four, three, two, one. And we're live. So what am I not supposed to say?

   2. DFDave Foley0:10

      Huh?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      (laughs)

   4. DFDave Foley0:11

      Oh, uh, yeah, cunt.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Oh.

   6. PGPaul Greenberg0:13

      Yeah.

   7. DFDave Foley0:13

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      That's our, uh-

   9. PGPaul Greenberg0:14

      Yeah.

   10. DFDave Foley0:14

       That's basically, that's the title. The title of the show that we've, we've, we've, uh, uh, omitted from the print (laughs) -

   11. PGPaul Greenberg0:20

       Yes.

   12. DFDave Foley0:20

       ... listings-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Mm-hmm.

   14. DFDave Foley0:21

       ... is, uh, yeah, the show's actually called Don't Say Cunt-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       (laughs)

   16. DFDave Foley0:24

       ... uh, with Paul and Dave.

   17. PGPaul Greenberg0:24

       Because this is the one place where you're not gonna hear the word cunt.

   18. DFDave Foley0:28

       Yeah. It's a kind of a promise that for 45 minutes-

   19. PGPaul Greenberg0:30

       On our show.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh.

   21. DFDave Foley0:30

       There'll be 45 minutes, uh, 'cause as we understand it, Americans don't like the word cunt.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Some Americans.

   23. DFDave Foley0:36

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       It's getting number.

   25. DFDave Foley0:38

       That's what the, well, yeah.

   26. PGPaul Greenberg0:39

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah. Well, but until that day.

   28. PGPaul Greenberg0:41

       It used to be a lot worse.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       There was a, there's an, a, a bunch of women that were trying to take it back. Who was it? Was that the, The Guys We Fucked girls?

   30. DFDave Foley0:47

       Maybe.
2. 3:00 – 4:25

   Canada, British influence, and the monarchy as celebrity reality TV

   1. PGPaul Greenberg3:00

      He was full Canadian, but being Canadian is kinda like being-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      Right.

   3. PGPaul Greenberg3:04

      ... English a little bit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      You guys have English people in your money still.

   5. DFDave Foley3:06

      Yeah.

   6. PGPaul Greenberg3:06

      Yes.

   7. DFDave Foley3:06

      And we get all the English movies-

   8. PGPaul Greenberg3:08

      Mm-hmm.

   9. DFDave Foley3:08

      ... all the English TV shows.

   10. PGPaul Greenberg3:09

       We, we, we, uh, pledge allegiance to the Queen in school, you know, when I was a kid.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       For real? Still? Is that still going on?

   12. DFDave Foley3:15

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. PGPaul Greenberg3:15

       Possibly, yeah.

   14. DFDave Foley3:16

       And in our sleep.

   15. PGPaul Greenberg3:17

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       So many good things about Canada, yet so many preposterous things.

   17. PGPaul Greenberg3:20

       Yes.

   18. DFDave Foley3:20

       It's true. It, the fact, well, the fact that a monarchy still exists at all is preposterous.

   19. PGPaul Greenberg3:24

       Canada is great on paper.

   20. DFDave Foley3:26

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       Yeah. (laughs) Well, the monarchy i- even in itself has, has become Kardashianified.

   22. DFDave Foley3:32

       Well, yeah.

   23. PGPaul Greenberg3:32

       Right.

   24. DFDave Foley3:33

       Like, well, um, I... But didn't they, weren't they always? I mean-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       I guess they were.

   26. DFDave Foley3:37

       I mean, what, how else did they-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Like during the prince died days and-

   28. DFDave Foley3:39

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Yeah.

   30. DFDave Foley3:40

       Or even just back to Henry VIII. I mean-
3. 4:25 – 10:07

   Real Housewives psychology: fame without craft, attention pressure, and breakdowns

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      Yeah. Those shows are wonderful. They're-

   2. DFDave Foley4:28

      I have never seen an episode of any of those.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      They're fascinating.

   4. DFDave Foley4:31

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      The Beverly Hills one is th- there was, well, there's different m- versions of them, right? And different-

   6. PGPaul Greenberg4:35

      There's like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:35

      ... versions you get to see the geographical creepiness of-

   8. PGPaul Greenberg4:38

      Like Atlanta-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Yeah.

   10. PGPaul Greenberg4:39

       ... is its own thing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah. Atlanta's not a bad one. The worst one was Jersey.

   12. DFDave Foley4:43

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       They're, they're fucking savage people.

   14. PGPaul Greenberg4:45

       (laughs)

   15. DFDave Foley4:45

       Yeah.

   16. PGPaul Greenberg4:45

       They are.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       That's, that's my ancestors, those fucking savage monkey folk that live in-

   18. DFDave Foley4:50

       Is-

   19. PGPaul Greenberg4:50

       (laughs)

   20. DFDave Foley4:50

       Yeah. Isn't the worst anything-

   21. PGPaul Greenberg4:51

       They'll cut your neck.

   22. DFDave Foley4:51

       ... the Jersey version?

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       (laughs)

   24. DFDave Foley4:53

       The worst of anything, the worst, the worst penicillin is the Jersey penicillin, you know? (laughs)

   25. PGPaul Greenberg4:57

       Mm-hmm. CSI: Jersey was terrible-

   26. DFDave Foley4:59

       Mm-hmm.

   27. PGPaul Greenberg4:59

       ... by the way. No, that doesn't exist. I'm sorry.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       (laughs)

   29. NANarrator5:02

       (laughs)

   30. DFDave Foley5:02

       (laughs)
4. 10:07 – 13:13

   Acting as a job: Dr. Ken, craftsmanship pressure, and not enjoying success in real time

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:07

      Um, are you still doing that show with, uh, Dr. Ken?

   2. DFDave Foley10:10

      No, uh, we stopped when they canceled it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Oh.

   4. DFDave Foley10:13

      Uh ...

   5. PGPaul Greenberg10:13

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      That's always a good move.

   7. DFDave Foley10:14

      Yeah, not right away.

   8. PGPaul Greenberg10:15

      (laughs)

   9. DFDave Foley10:15

      It's several months in. Uh ...

   10. PGPaul Greenberg10:17

       To be fair, you kept doing the show after it was canceled, right?

   11. DFDave Foley10:19

       Yeah. We didn't, we didn't, uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       Was it called The Doctors? Is that what it's called?

   13. DFDave Foley10:22

       No. (laughs) The Doc- ... No. That was the-

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       No, that's the other one.

   15. DFDave Foley10:24

       That's, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       That's the real one.

   17. DFDave Foley10:25

       ... Dr. Oz, right?

   18. PGPaul Greenberg10:26

       It had a real-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       Yeah.

   20. PGPaul Greenberg10:26

       I can't remember. What was the name of it again?

   21. DFDave Foley10:27

       I mean, we can still call Dr. Oz a real doctor, right? That, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       I don't think so.

   23. DFDave Foley10:31

       He's ... Is he-

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       No.

   25. DFDave Foley10:31

       ... as far gone as Drew?

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Once you've been pushed in front-

   27. DFDave Foley10:33

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       ... of Congress-

   29. DFDave Foley10:34

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       ... and they question you on your weight loss claims-
5. 13:13 – 17:06

   Sitcom mechanics: laugh tracks, “good enough” comedy, and what changed in TV

   1. DFDave Foley13:13

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:13

      ... ever seen those without the laugh track?

   3. DFDave Foley13:16

      No. (laughs) I can imagine what that must be like.

   4. They, they've, they've taken some of those shows- Oh, I've seen like Big Bang Theory and that kind of stuff.

   5. I would like to see that.

   6. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:21

      They've removed the laugh track, and you watch it with just the actors saying the words. And it's like-

   8. DFDave Foley13:26

      Does anything funny ever happen on it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:27

      Well, it's just, it's strange. It's like you're watching, um, uh, uh, i- it just doesn't make any sense. It's like-

   10. DFDave Foley13:35

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       ... it's, it's illogical.

   12. DFDave Foley13:36

       Yeah, and that, that, that, that place people get in their heads where they just go, "It'll be fine."

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   14. DFDave Foley13:42

       Like, I mean, news radio, if we did a scene and it didn't get a laugh, we rewrote the whole scene.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       Yeah.

   16. DFDave Foley13:48

       Yeah.

   17. Literally. Like in f-... with the audience there.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       Yeah.

   19. DFDave Foley13:50

       Well, I think the term good enough is perfect for comedy.

   20. Yeah.

   21. Eh, it's good enough.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       (inhales deeply)

   23. DFDave Foley13:55

       People are kinda chuckling.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       Well, it's the-

   25. DFDave Foley13:57

       It's okay.

   26. ... you, y- ... Once you get a certain number of characters that you can get to interact with each other in predictable ways on those shows- Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:05

       ... then they just sort of have them have these little scenes-

   28. DFDave Foley14:07

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       ... and have different inflections and different stumbles, and, and they make a show out of it.

   30. DFDave Foley14:13

       And for the audience, I think it just becomes comfort.
6. 17:06 – 26:56

   Comedy’s shrinking danger zone: Ace Ventura’s trans joke ending and era-dependent humor

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:06

      Yeah. So, uh, how long you guys been doing this podcast?

   2. DFDave Foley17:09

      This, how long have we been... Since just before Christmas-

   3. Yeah.

   4. ... I guess.

   5. It's not, not that long.

   6. December.

   7. Not that long.

   8. Yeah, probably time to wrap it up.

   9. We've known each other, we've known each other a long time.

   10. 30 years I guess.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       What motivated it?

   12. DFDave Foley17:19

       Our wives.

   13. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       They say, "Get the fuck outta here."

   15. DFDave Foley17:21

       Yeah.

   16. They wanted us out of the house pretty much. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:24

       (laughs)

   18. DFDave Foley17:24

       That's, it was, yeah, they said, "What-"

   19. They said, "Can you go do something somewhere else?"

   20. "... do something." And, uh, and they're actually e- e- in, on the podcast with us. Like, uh, Chrissie, my wife, produces it and, you know-

   21. Good.

   22. ... puts it all together.

   23. Jackie Harris, Greenberg is my wife and she's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       It makes it super hard to fire her.

   25. DFDave Foley17:38

       It is. Well...

   26. No. We're the ones who will get fired.

   27. Oh, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       Yeah.

   29. DFDave Foley17:42

       Well, she fired me once, so-

   30. That's true.
7. 26:56 – 30:04

   Their podcast exists because… their wives: relationships, separation, and reuniting without divorce

   1. DFDave Foley26:56

      Well, how long, how long have you been married now?

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:58

      10 years.

   3. DFDave Foley26:58

      And you've n- and you, that's the only time you've ever been married, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:01

      Thank God. Thank the baby Jesus.

   5. DFDave Foley27:02

      Oh my God, yes. (laughs) Uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:04

      (laughs)

   7. DFDave Foley27:04

      (laughs)

   8. PGPaul Greenberg27:04

      (laughs)

   9. DFDave Foley27:04

      Praise, praise Jesus. (laughs)

   10. PGPaul Greenberg27:06

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:06

       Yeah.

   12. DFDave Foley27:06

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:06

       I'm stunned that it's working.

   14. DFDave Foley27:08

       Yeah, it's a, it's great.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:09

       Yeah.

   16. DFDave Foley27:10

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:10

       If it works, it's great.

   18. DFDave Foley27:11

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       But I always tell people, "Don't do it. It's too risky."

   20. DFDave Foley27:14

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       You get l- 50% of the people don't make it.

   22. PGPaul Greenberg27:16

       Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's not a good-

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:18

       You know?

   24. PGPaul Greenberg27:18

       ... uh, good rate-

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Yeah.

   26. PGPaul Greenberg27:20

       ... of success.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Would you drive a car if you knew that 50% likely you would die in a crash?

   28. PGPaul Greenberg27:24

       Right.

   29. DFDave Foley27:25

       Yeah. I mean, it was an institution that made sense when you were only gonna live to be 40.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       (clears throat) Sort, well, it makes sense. There's some parts of it that make sense. The problem is that it's become a business. And it's become-
8. 30:04 – 34:11

   Marriage as a risky contract: divorce economics, lawyers, and the Phil Hartman tragedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Well, I've seen too many predatory marriages. I've seen women marry men they don't really like 'cause they know the man has money, and I've seen, I've seen the opposite.It's just such a weird thing when you h- enter into contractual agreement about romance.

   2. DFDave Foley30:18

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      Like, it's- it's- it's not just, "I- I love you, you love me, let's- let's have a celebration of our love and let's invite our friends over and tell everybody we've- we've decided to engage each other in this very special commitment." But then you start bringing in lawyers.

   4. DFDave Foley30:35

      Yeah.

   5. PGPaul Greenberg30:36

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      And then it gets weird and then, you know, you have, m- uh, w- weird state by state laws where-

   7. DFDave Foley30:43

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      ... there's common law marriages if you live with someone-

   9. PGPaul Greenberg30:46

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       ... for 10 years. And-

   11. DFDave Foley30:47

       Yeah, that might have been where humanity went wrong, was when the first guy said, "I'm gonna be a lawyer." Like, that was his decision. I'm looking around and I think, "Yeah, there's a lot of ugliness in the world."

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah, when was the first lawyer?

   13. PGPaul Greenberg31:00

       They never made it work.

   14. DFDave Foley31:01

       I gotta buck on it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       When was the first lawyer? Like, when was the- there was a series of laws-

   16. DFDave Foley31:04

       Yeah, who was that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       ... right? The first lawyers had to have been priests, right?

   18. DFDave Foley31:07

       I would guess so, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Yeah, I mean the- the laws-

   20. DFDave Foley31:09

       The Pharisees.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       ... initially-

   22. DFDave Foley31:10

       ... were- were basically lawyers, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       What is the Pharisees?

   24. DFDave Foley31:13

       Like, the Jewish- the Jewish priests.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       Oh, okay. Makes sense.

   26. PGPaul Greenberg31:16

       That does make a lot of sense.

   27. DFDave Foley31:18

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Hm.

   29. PGPaul Greenberg31:19

       Probably a lot of my relatives.

   30. DFDave Foley31:21

       (laughs) Yeah.
9. 34:11 – 44:25

   When time got standardized: railroads, time zones, and the weirdness of scheduling reality

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:11

      You know Arizona still doesn't do daylight savings time?

   2. DFDave Foley34:15

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:15

      They're like, "Fuck you."

   4. DFDave Foley34:16

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:16

      "That's stupid."

   6. PGPaul Greenberg34:17

      They're allowed to do that?

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:18

      Yep.

   8. DFDave Foley34:19

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:19

      Yep.

   10. PGPaul Greenberg34:20

       Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:20

       If you drive from, like- if you drive from Nevada to Arizona you're- you're- you miss an hour.

   12. DFDave Foley34:26

       Yeah, they aren't the only state. Isn't there another state that doesn't?

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       I wonder.

   14. DFDave Foley34:29

       I think there's more.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       Not that I'm aware of. Is there other ones?

   16. DFDave Foley34:30

       Hawaii doesn't either.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:31

       Hawaii? Good for them.

   18. DFDave Foley34:32

       Well, yeah, they're good for them.

   19. PGPaul Greenberg34:34

       Well, Hawaii gets to do what they want.

   20. DFDave Foley34:35

       They're an island.

   21. PGPaul Greenberg34:36

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:36

       They s- we stole Hawaii.

   23. PGPaul Greenberg34:37

       That's right.

   24. DFDave Foley34:38

       N-

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       That- that island is theirs.

   26. DFDave Foley34:40

       Yeah. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:40

       That's a- that's a fucking country that we occupy with hotels.

   28. PGPaul Greenberg34:43

       You feel it when you're there.

   29. DFDave Foley34:44

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:45

       Yes. It's got its own feeling.
10. 44:25 – 49:11

    Daylight savings resistance, Hawaii as occupied paradise, and invasive species side effects

    1. DFDave Foley44:25

       Well... Yeah. Well, it's kinda like... Well, I was, I was just thinking you actually had, uh, was it, uh, Brian Cox on.

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:32

       Yes.

    3. DFDave Foley44:32

       And he said, when they talk about the, the, uh, the size of the, the universe-

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:35

       Yes.

    5. DFDave Foley44:36

       ... most of it's just a guess-

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:37

       Yeah.

    7. DFDave Foley44:37

       ... based on the th- the observable universe, based on the number of galaxies they can see. They're just guessing at how many galaxies there are. I think that's the same with illegal immigration. You're just going, "Well, it's like an average."

    8. PGPaul Greenberg44:47

       Probably. Yeah.

    9. DFDave Foley44:49

       If we, if we-

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:49

        I think you're more likely to be accurate with a- illegal immigration than you are with stars.

    11. DFDave Foley44:54

        I don't know.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:55

        Yeah. I think the star thing, the problem is, uh, and I'm, I'll butcher this, but I think it's that literally we don't have the capability to look past 13 point whatever billion years.

    13. DFDave Foley45:06

        Years. Yeah. It's the Big Bang.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:07

        They, they can't really look.

    15. DFDave Foley45:08

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        So if they look and they go, "Oh, no, there's just like a big space," and then-

    17. DFDave Foley45:11

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:12

        ... you go 18 more billion years back-

    19. DFDave Foley45:14

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:15

        ... there's a thriving community of galaxies.

    21. DFDave Foley45:17

        (laughs) Yeah.

    22. PGPaul Greenberg45:17

        (laughs) There's a whole other galaxy.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:18

        Yeah.

    24. DFDave Foley45:18

        That's distance in time, but then the, just the sheer vastness of the sky-

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:22

        Yeah.

    26. DFDave Foley45:22

        ... they've only actually, like, like, looked at a fraction of it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:26

        Right. Well, talking to a guy like him is so amazing because you, you, you realize like, okay, well, there's different kinds of humans.

    28. DFDave Foley45:32

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:33

        There's, there's humans that are actually studying these insanely complicated equations that are trying to prove the, the very nature of reality itself.

    30. DFDave Foley45:41

        Yeah.
11. 49:11 – 53:53

    From illegal immigration estimates to cosmic estimates: what we ‘know’ is often extrapolation

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:11

       Well, why is that difficult to grasp though? That's the real question. Like, why is... W- why do we need everything to be defined by a very obvious beginning and an end?

    2. DFDave Foley49:22

       Mm-hmm. 'Cause it's, it... Everything we experience has a beginning and end.

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:25

       Biologically too.

    4. PGPaul Greenberg49:26

       Because we experience time.

    5. DFDave Foley49:28

       Yeah. Even though-

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       Yes.

    7. PGPaul Greenberg49:28

       But a lot of time doesn't... is not experienced everywhere-

    8. DFDave Foley49:31

       Yeah.

    9. PGPaul Greenberg49:31

       ... the same way.

    10. DFDave Foley49:32

        Well, time isn't experienced at all if you're not sentient.

    11. PGPaul Greenberg49:35

        True. What is time?

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:36

        Or if you live in Arizona.

    13. DFDave Foley49:37

        Yeah. (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:38

        They whack it off. It's different.

    15. DFDave Foley49:39

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:40

        But yeah, it's the... I always wondered if, like, there was a reason why we wanted things to have a beginning and an end. Like, is it because we have our life and our life has a beginning and an end, all the lives of the people we know-

    17. DFDave Foley49:52

        Yeah.

    18. PGPaul Greenberg49:52

        Well, we definitely have an end.

    19. DFDave Foley49:54

        But is it-

    20. PGPaul Greenberg49:54

        I guess people are obsessed with it.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:55

        That's what they say.

    22. DFDave Foley49:55

        Do we, do we want things to have a beginning or an end, or are we terrified of beginnings and ends?

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:59

        That too.

    24. DFDave Foley50:00

        You know?

    25. PGPaul Greenberg50:00

        Just the thought of an end is terrible.

    26. DFDave Foley50:01

        'Cause that's why we create, you know, gods and religions is 'cause-

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:04

        Mm-hmm.

    28. DFDave Foley50:05

        ... the idea that, that life ends and that it's all been for nothing is terrifying to people.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:10

        There's a little bit of that. Yeah. There's a little bit of, like, doing it to create order in the community-

    30. PGPaul Greenberg50:16

        Mm-hmm.
12. 53:53 – 57:49

    Meaning, death, and why humans can’t stop inventing purpose

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:53

       ... Erich von Daniken last week.

    2. DFDave Foley53:55

       Oh my God.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:55

       Yes. Very interesting.

    4. DFDave Foley53:57

       Cool.

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:57

       Very weird.

    6. DFDave Foley53:58

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:59

       He's the guy who wrote Chariots of the Gods?

    8. PGPaul Greenberg54:01

       Oh, God.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:01

       He's in... Yeah.

    10. DFDave Foley54:02

        Yeah.

    11. PGPaul Greenberg54:03

        Like, staple book in our house.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:05

        In his 80s now.

    13. DFDave Foley54:05

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:05

        And, uh, he was showing us slides.

    15. PGPaul Greenberg54:07

        What's the real story there? I was wondering.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:10

        Mostly nonsense.

    17. DFDave Foley54:11

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        Unfortunately.

    19. PGPaul Greenberg54:12

        Was it really?

    20. DFDave Foley54:13

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:13

        Um, yeah. Mostly, mostly what it is, is evidence-

    22. PGPaul Greenberg54:16

        Love that documentary.

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:17

        ... of lost civilizations.

    24. DFDave Foley54:18

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        Ancient civilizations that were incredibly advanced-I follow the work of Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and a few other people that are being proven actually correct more and more, a- almost on a daily basis, by new discoveries that show that th- that civilization predates what we initially thought. With, with the-

    26. PGPaul Greenberg54:38

        It goes way back farther back.

    27. DFDave Foley54:38

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        The initial thought was that somewhere around the great pyramids, which is like 2,500 BC, that was about as good as anybody got, and you go back to like ancient Sumer-

    29. DFDave Foley54:50

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:50

        ... which is about 6,000 years ago and then that's basically it. What they're saying is that, no, there was most likely a reset, a global reset of civilization due to a cataclysmic disaster and there's a shit ton of evidence.
13. 57:49 – 1:11:17

    Ancient aliens vs. lost civilizations: von Däniken, cataclysms, and the UFO pivot

    1. DFDave Foley57:49

       But now I'm more... The, uh, the thing I've f- become obsessed with lately is the skepticism about UFOs.

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:59

       Yeah, that's why I wanted to talk to you about this because you told me that you've become obsessed with UFOs recently.

    3. DFDave Foley58:04

       Yeah. Oh, yeah. Completely, and it's like-

    4. PGPaul Greenberg58:05

       Believer?

    5. DFDave Foley58:06

       Yeah, totally.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:07

       Really?

    7. DFDave Foley58:08

       Yeah, totally believe the UFO phenomena is real. I don't know what it is, but it's totally h- it has to be real.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:13

       Something's happening.

    9. PGPaul Greenberg58:14

       Why? Why is that?

    10. DFDave Foley58:14

        Uh, 'cause there's just way too much evidence that it is real.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:17

        What evidence?

    12. DFDave Foley58:17

        Uh, well, um, radar evidence, uh, that the, the F-16 locked on a UFO.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:24

        Mm-hmm.

    14. DFDave Foley58:24

        That footage. And also just, uh, like I know the... friend of ours, I don't know if she'd want us to say it, but-

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:30

        No.

    16. DFDave Foley58:30

        ... her father was, uh, an air traffic controller.

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:33

        Mm-hmm.

    18. DFDave Foley58:33

        And he told her, he said, "Yeah, every air traffic controller has seen something."

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:37

        Yeah.

    20. DFDave Foley58:37

        And I had another friend who's father was an, a commercial pilot and she said, "Yeah, my dad said every single pilot has seen something."

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:44

        Yeah.

    22. DFDave Foley58:44

        And they've all been told not to say anything about it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:46

        Well-

    24. PGPaul Greenberg58:46

        We have a couple of friends that say they were, um, abducted.

    25. DFDave Foley58:49

        Abducted. Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        Yeah, the abducted one is a little easier to wrap your head around because y- when you're sleeping, your brain is producing all sorts of endogenous psychedelic chemicals.

    27. DFDave Foley58:58

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:59

        Almost all of these experiences happen when you're sleeping. Almost all of these experiences when these people are abducted, they're taken from their beds which is when they're dreaming.

    29. DFDave Foley59:06

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan59:06

        I mean, it's just like there's some real clear easy steps to follow-

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