Joe Rogan Experience #1269 - Bryan Callen

Joe Rogan 0:01 Five, four, three, two, one. (sniffs)

Narrator 0:06 Rolling.

Joe Rogan 0:09 (sighs) Yes, and we're live. Joe Rogan, Callen. We are live on the internet.

Bryan Callen 0:16 In cashmere right now, everybody, in cashmere.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Uh, h- how come, how come you don't wear watches? You were just saying that.

Bryan Callen 0:20 I don't wear, I don't, I was thinking, because I was saying to Brennan, I go, "You could rob my house and there's nothing you'd find of value." Like, there's not a fucking thing.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Mm-hmm. Steal your car.

Bryan Callen 0:29 Oh, fuck, okay. Oh, no. I'm... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:32 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 0:32 I don't give a shit.

Joe Rogan 0:33 But do you w- wonder why you make money then?

Bryan Callen 0:36 Uh, yeah. Well, well, I was thinking about-

Joe Rogan 0:37 You got a lot of money, right?

Bryan Callen 0:38 I do.

Joe Rogan 0:38 You could probably, like, not work for years.

Bryan Callen 0:40 I, yeah, I have enough m- I make money.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 0:42 But, but, uh, I never th- I, I was thinking about that too. I can, I, genuinely, I did some soul searching about this because I watch how-

Joe Rogan 0:49 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 0:49 ... motivated Schaub is. He's so buttoned down about his stuff. He's just always coming up with ideas and-

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 0:55 I don't think I ever gave two fucks for real about fame or money. Uh, and I still don't. I have a very precarious relationship with that.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 1:05 What I love is coming up with new ideas and writing new standup and, you know, uh, like now, uh, n- having done the album now, I gotta come up with a whole new bag of tricks. That, that's a really fun time. I'm probably more happy or never as happy as when I'm on the road at some cafe somewhere coming up, solving problems, coming up with-

Joe Rogan 1:24 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 1:24 ... new ideas and surprising myself. Everything else, you know, eh. I, I like hanging with my boys and laughing and-

Joe Rogan 1:30 Do you like having a nice house? Do you get any pleasure out of having a nice house?

Bryan Callen 1:34 Yeah, but, uh, I could live, uh, and have lived in rudimentary places and I have, I don't notice.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah, I noticed that when I, when I first started making money. Uh, d- you get, everything gets normal.

Bryan Callen 1:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Like, this is your house. Wake up, it's normal. You know what doesn't change? What n- always makes you feel good is views.

Bryan Callen 1:53 I was about to say that. I can't believe-

Joe Rogan 1:54 Yes.

Bryan Callen 1:54 ... you just said that.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Views-

Bryan Callen 1:55 A view is not underrated.

Joe Rogan 1:57 No, views are, views are very underrated, I think.

Bryan Callen 2:00 That's so interesting you say that. I, I-

Joe Rogan 2:01 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 2:02 ... just said that.

Joe Rogan 2:03 You know who else said that to me?

Bryan Callen 2:04 Who?

Joe Rogan 2:04 Ray Kurzweil.

Bryan Callen 2:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:06 Yeah, he always lives in a place with a view.

Bryan Callen 2:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:08 And when I interviewed him, he was on a very high floor in an apartment building in San Francisco. That's where he lives.

Bryan Callen 2:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:17 And you out, you look out from his apartment and you see the city and you see the bay and it's beautiful.

Bryan Callen 2:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24 And-

Bryan Callen 2:24 Yeah, it's expansive.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yes. He said views are very important to him.

Bryan Callen 2:28 They are, but I have another weird thing that, like, if you put me in a French cafe, there's a, there's a F- I don't know if it's still around, but there was a F- I sound so French. Je suis tres francais.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Ooh, ah. Do you speak?

Bryan Callen 2:40 And, uh, oui, je parle francais, comment. Uh, listen to my accent. Goddamn-

Joe Rogan 2:44 Did you ask for a ham sandwich?

Bryan Callen 2:44 I can fucking go.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Did you ask for ham?

Bryan Callen 2:45 (laughs) I said I speak French fluently.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Did you say, "Comment?"

Bryan Callen 2:47 Comment? Un, un, petit bit de jambon avec du fromage.

Joe Rogan 2:52 How well do you speak French? Do you speak it fluently?

Bryan Callen 2:53 No, I mean, I used to speak it. I went to French schools-

Joe Rogan 2:56 Right.

Bryan Callen 2:56 ... in Lebanon.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Damn.

Bryan Callen 2:57 Yeah. Um, you know, I mean, I can... Give me, give me six months and I'm gonna...

Joe Rogan 3:02 You'd hop right back in there?

Bryan Callen 3:03 I think so.

Joe Rogan 3:04 The dating pool in France?

Bryan Callen 3:05 Oui.

Joe Rogan 3:06 Ooh. Ooh.

Bryan Callen 3:06 Cherie. Cherie.

Joe Rogan 3:07 Cherie.

Bryan Callen 3:07 Je suis.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Um, what were you, uh, saying? You were about to say something-

Bryan Callen 3:10 Um-

Joe Rogan 3:10 ... about you were in a cafe in France?

Bryan Callen 3:12 There's a place called Chez Paul's-

Joe Rogan 3:13 Excuse me, France.

Bryan Callen 3:13 ... which is, uh, this restaurant where you're crammed in with a bunch of people and-

Joe Rogan 3:18 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 3:18 ... and the walls and the wood has been there. You know you go to the Comedy Store, like a comedy, like a, a comedy club that's been around since the '70s and you think to yourself-

Joe Rogan 3:27 Like The Icehouse.

Bryan Callen 3:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:27 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 3:27 And you think these, the wood in this-

Joe Rogan 3:29 Yes.

Bryan Callen 3:29 This is a weird thing, but the wood in these walls has, have absorbed so much laughter and good energy.

Joe Rogan 3:35 Dude, I was just saying that the other day about The Icehouse.

Bryan Callen 3:37 Ah. It's, it's, it's very special. If they ever-

Joe Rogan 3:40 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 3:40 ... dem- demolish that, God forbid, I would buy that wood-

Joe Rogan 3:43 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 3:43 ... and put it up on my walls.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Oh, so you do care about stuff?

Bryan Callen 3:46 It's magical. Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Magical stuff.

Bryan Callen 3:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Mm-hmm. And do you-

Bryan Callen 3:49 I like things that last. I like marble and, and heavy wood, like, old railroad tracks.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Ooh, reclaimed wood.

Bryan Callen 3:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:58 Yeah, like this table.

Bryan Callen 4:00 Yeah, good leather.

Joe Rogan 4:00 This table's reclaimed wood.

Bryan Callen 4:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:02 Yeah, good for you.

Bryan Callen 4:02 And a man with a mustache. What?

Joe Rogan 4:03 Handmade things.

Bryan Callen 4:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:06 You like things handmade.

Bryan Callen 4:08 I do.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Craftsmanship.

Bryan Callen 4:09 Like, like, like, i- if I had m- a l- if I wanted to, I would maybe go and have my shoes made in London, I'd have bespoke shoes.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Ooh, bespoke.

Bryan Callen 4:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:18 I love that when they use that.

Bryan Callen 4:20 I know. I'd have bespoke shoes. The problem with jewelry, watches, nice shoes and everything is I ha- I have to maintain them. And I, I, I'd rather have-

Joe Rogan 4:30 Hmm. You don't-

Bryan Callen 4:30 I, I also think-

Joe Rogan 4:31 ... really have to maintain watches. Just put them on.

Bryan Callen 4:33 That's right, but I have a weird... I have another weird thing which I think if I have leather under my feet-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 4:38 ... I don't feel as secure and I don't feel like I can run or fight. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:42 Oh, like leather soles? Well, you can't-

Bryan Callen 4:43 I need some, I need some rubber, bro. I gotta-

Joe Rogan 4:45 Well, yeah, you should have some tread.

Bryan Callen 4:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 But they can put some leather tread below the, the, I mean, rubber tread rather, below the leather. You don't want those scuffed up leather bottom shoes.

Bryan Callen 4:54 No, man.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Those are, those bitches are useless.

Bryan Callen 4:55 It's like being on socks.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Right, but it's good for pivoting.

Bryan Callen 4:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:59 If you wanna pivot, like if you wanna throw a wheel kick, it's really good.

Bryan Callen 5:01 Yes, it's true. If you wanna bear down. If I wanna what's called squash the bug when I throw my right-

Joe Rogan 5:06 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 5:06 Squash the bug with my, my back foot.

Joe Rogan 5:08 No, because you wanna push off. You wanna have some, something to push off.

Bryan Callen 5:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:12 You don't need that much pivot. You really need pivot with a kick.

Bryan Callen 5:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 You know, like with a spinning kick.

Bryan Callen 5:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Yeah. Sorry.

Bryan Callen 5:18 You know, that, this is, this is the kind of bullshit you and I still talk about-

Joe Rogan 5:21 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 5:21 ... at 52. It's so pathetic.

Joe Rogan 5:23 It's never gonna end.

Bryan Callen 5:24 Well, the, the fucked up thing is that-

Joe Rogan 5:26 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 5:26 ... you know, I am always getting ready for home invasion or a situation-

Joe Rogan 5:31 Mm-hmm. Smart.

Bryan Callen 5:32 You know, it might be.

Joe Rogan 5:33 You should be.

Bryan Callen 5:33 The problem is that, that there are just too many things to worry about. I could also, I also have to worry about fucking ticks and things that I can't see, like flesh eating bacteria and MRSA.

Joe Rogan 5:42 You know what I worry about more than anything, honestly?

Bryan Callen 5:44 What?

Joe Rogan 5:44 Asteroidal impacts.

Bryan Callen 5:45 You do?

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yep.

Bryan Callen 5:46 (gasps) Really?

Joe Rogan 5:48 Yeah, because they can come and then wipe out civilization almost instantaneously. There was something I just retweeted, uh, yesterday that Graham Hancock put up. They found a new impact site at 12,500 years ago that-

Bryan Callen 5:59 Saw it.

Joe Rogan 6:00 ... that coincides with the end of the Ice Age, so-

Bryan Callen 6:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 6:02 ... this is one of the things that he and Randall Carlson have been saying ad nauseam. And now, uh, Bryan, or Robert Schoch rather, who's a professor at Boston University.

Narrator 6:13 Did you hear about the, uh...

Bryan Callen 6:14 ... explosion, the meteor that exploded-

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yes.

Bryan Callen 6:16 ... in, uh, like December?

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yes.

Bryan Callen 6:18 I thought that's what you were gonna bring up.

Joe Rogan 6:18 December, yeah, this meteor that exploded in December had something like 50 times the amount of-

Bryan Callen 6:22 Was that on Earth, though?

Joe Rogan 6:23 ... power in the atmosphere.

Bryan Callen 6:25 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Oh, 10.

Bryan Callen 6:26 10 times?

Joe Rogan 6:26 10 atomic bombs.

Bryan Callen 6:27 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 6:28 10 times the power of the atomic bomb that exploded in Hiroshima.

Bryan Callen 6:32 Wow.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Yeah. And it exploded in our atmosphere. But no, there's, um, this impact that they think happened and, well, there's two concepts. Uh, R- Robert Schoch thinks that it might have coincided, these impacts might have coincided with, uh, he believes there's a great deal of evidence for a mass coronal ejection, that there was some sort of a, a solar flare-

Bryan Callen 6:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:54 ... massive solar storm that happened, which can periodically happen every few thousand, every few hundred years something can happen.

Bryan Callen 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:03 And, uh, when that does happen, it just wipes out everything. And he said that there was thunderstorms. It's like there's the, they said thunderstorms or lightning storms that were like, like the hail that was coming out outside that we filmed today-

Bryan Callen 7:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:15 ... but that, but, like, lightning.

Bryan Callen 7:16 Put that back up, please. Jesus.

Joe Rogan 7:18 So this is the, uh, impact crater that they found in Greenland. Um, it's 30-

Bryan Callen 7:24 15 miles across?

Joe Rogan 7:24 Yes.

Bryan Callen 7:24 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 7:25 It's 31 kilometers across, which is-

Bryan Callen 7:28 Like, 15 miles or something?

Joe Rogan 7:29 Yeah, somewhere around 15 miles.

Bryan Callen 7:32 Ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 7:32 It's f- insanely huge.

Bryan Callen 7:34 But do you think, um, as you think about your impending doom, which is gonna happen, right?

Joe Rogan 7:40 I- I just worry about the w- the civilization being... We're so dependent upon electricity and, uh, d- any s- small catastrophe, oh, this is... They have an, an impact video of where it hit.

Bryan Callen 7:56 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 7:56 Oh, wow. So it's all, all this, this hit, like, where there's, uh, glaciers right now-

Bryan Callen 8:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:02 ... this massive impact. They got hit, man. The, the people that lived 12,500 years ago got hit. They got, there's more than one crater, too, by the way. They've, this is one of the many craters that they found during the time period of 12,500 BC, or 12,500 years ago, rather, to 10,000 years ago. In that time period, that 2,000-year time period, they think there was multiple impacts on the Earth.

Bryan Callen 8:27 Why, why, I guess, it just wasn't our time now?

Joe Rogan 8:30 Well, we're lucky.

Bryan Callen 8:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:31 We've just been through a really lucky stage. But h- what he's saying, essentially, is that this is what wiped out the Egyptian civilization, the first Egyptian civilization, this is what wiped out the civilization that built, uh, Göbekli Tepe. This is what wiped out the civilization that preceded Sumer and-

Bryan Callen 8:51 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 8:51 ... ancient Babylon and Mesopotamia, that all those were a rebuild of a... I can't wait for him to come back on again. He's coming back on again. Graham Hancock is coming back on again, I think April 22nd.

Bryan Callen 9:01 I listened to him debate that other guy that you had on the podcast. It was great.

Joe Rogan 9:05 Yeah. Yeah, well, it was Michael Shermer, who's act- actually a friend of mine who I like.

Bryan Callen 9:09 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:09 But he's, he's a skeptic. And there's an issue with skeptics in that the issue is not that it's not good to be skeptical. It's very good to be skeptical. The problem is when you approach things as a skeptic, you're not approaching them as a scientist. And I'm not saying that Michael does this, but that I think he did in that debate, and I think it was a mistake. People, they approach these things looking to debunk them rather than objectively assessing all the possible evidence.

Bryan Callen 9:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:36 And so because of that, you miss out on big thing, like, this is evidence. This is not, like, Bigfoot tracks or some shit like that. This is fucking real evidence-

Bryan Callen 9:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:45 ... of a crater that they have dated back to 12,500 years ago.

Bryan Callen 9:49 Yeah, but people have a hard time believing in doomsday scenarios.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 9:54 Because it kind of, like, y- you know, when you talk about taking the entire chess board and throw it in the air-

Joe Rogan 9:59 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 10:00 ... and you have evidence for it, look at global warming and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Sure.

Bryan Callen 10:04 There, there is a, I really believe that people have, uh, whether it's latent or not, a religious notion that we are ultimately sacred and that God would never do something that terrible to us en masse.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 10:18 I really f- I really believe that. Like, humanity itself to go away? No, because that would make no sense. We're, we're moving in a certain direction. We're making progress. There's, there's this sort of neural net. It's becoming easier to understand what it is to be each other. Uh, you know, uh, and- and th- that's kind of what virtual reality and being able to download other people's brains will eventually do.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 10:43 That probably brings us into one, I guess, universal consciousness. I mean, you can go on and on. So the idea that that would be all ob- obliterated before it happens, before the singularity, for example, happens is too much to bear. It would make-

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 10:56 ... no sense for us, because we have this narrative that we all kind of adhere to.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 11:01 It's very easy to do that.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Well, it's a little psychological sort of, sort of, I wanna say, I wanna say a trick that we play on ourselves, but it's really a defense mechanism.

Bryan Callen 11:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:12 It's a little trick that we try to pretend that we're important. Goddamn it, just look up at the sky, and y- although you can't see it, there are stars that are being swallowed up by-

Bryan Callen 11:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:24 ... black holes.

Bryan Callen 11:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Like, if the universe doesn't give a fuck about something that's a million times bigger than the Earth-

Bryan Callen 11:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:30 ... why would you think it gives a fuck about you?

Bryan Callen 11:31 But-

Joe Rogan 11:31 It's eating stars.

Bryan Callen 11:33 That's a terrible question.

Joe Rogan 11:34 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 11:34 Most people, that's a terrible, insulting question. The problem, you know, that- that's kind of what, um, uh, who was it, Albert Camus, the French existentialist, and Sartre and all those guys, they, they were saying, like, Camus said, "The, the fundamental question is why wouldn't you, why not just commit suicide?"

Joe Rogan 11:48 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 11:49 "Because everything is totally absurd and nothing means anything," right?

Joe Rogan 11:51 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 11:51 It's like the rock of Sisyphus that you keep pushing up and it keeps rolling down. And then he said, "But, but the truth is most people don't wanna kill themselves, but they'll commit philosophical suicide." Meaning instead of, like, really starting to ask these questions and really getting into it and realizing that it's all hopeless and despair, you know, you, you just, you just glom onto a certain philosophy that gives you hope. Religion-

Joe Rogan 12:15 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 12:15 ... or whatever it might be, which is what it is. And maybe the way out of that is just to enjoy every day, taste your food, enjoy your friends, and realize that it could end in any, in any second.

Joe Rogan 12:27 You know one, uh, another thing that's fucked with me? The concept of reincarnation. Not the concept of reincarcion- incarnation, like, coming back as a butterfly or something like that.

Bryan Callen 12:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:35 But the concept of living your life-... over and over and over again until you get it right.

Bryan Callen 12:42 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Now, here's what fucks with me. I am having a great time.

Bryan Callen 12:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:49 So, (laughs) why wouldn't I wanna do this again?

Bryan Callen 12:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:52 I am having a great time. I have great friends-

Bryan Callen 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 ... like you and young Jamie over there, and, and I have, I love my family. I love what I do for a living. I love... Our circle of friends is amazing.

Bryan Callen 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 I mean, we are, for sure, some of the luckiest men I have ever met in my life.

Bryan Callen 13:08 There's no doubt.

Joe Rogan 13:09 There's no doubt.

Bryan Callen 13:10 There is no doubt.

Joe Rogan 13:10 We have fun, man.

Bryan Callen 13:11 Dude, I was thinking about all the mistakes I've made, but then I went, "Wait a minute, but I'm here."

Joe Rogan 13:15 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 13:15 Like, at 52, I'm here. Like-

Joe Rogan 13:17 I've made a fuckload of mistakes.

Bryan Callen 13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 We all have.

Bryan Callen 13:19 But look where we are.

Joe Rogan 13:20 But we're also risk-takers.

Bryan Callen 13:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:22 I mean, we're professional performers. We went into a job that has zero job security.

Bryan Callen 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Fucking head first, no safety net, dove right in. You know, we, we make mistakes. We, we make mistakes with our, our job. We make mistakes with our personal life. We make mistake with our... There's just no, y- y- you're, you're a human.

Bryan Callen 13:41 There's no way to avoid it.

Joe Rogan 13:42 No way to avoid it.

Bryan Callen 13:43 Because, because I don't have a dress rehearsal. I'm presented with these-

Joe Rogan 13:45 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 13:46 ... I'm presented with the scenario.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Yes.

Bryan Callen 13:47 I have to make a choice in real time.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 13:49 I'm gonna make a mistake.

Joe Rogan 13:51 Right.

Bryan Callen 13:51 And, and once I realized that and stopped beating myself up about it and realized that I'm, I've always done the best I can... But here's where you, here's what you can do. Be brutally honest and assess yourself and see where you're falling short, and then just change your approach.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 14:04 So, that's kinda what I did. When I saw acting, when I saw what just being an actor was, and I saw how precarious it was-

Joe Rogan 14:11 Mm.

Bryan Callen 14:11 ... and I saw where the business was moving with the, like, new media and stuff, and I was like, "This doesn't make..." I, then I watched you doing your podcast, and you would say start a pod. So, guess what? I started a podcast, didn't go well. Started another podcast, didn't make money. Then started a third podcast with Brendan Schaub and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, the same thing with standup. You just keep doing it-

Joe Rogan 14:31 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 14:31 ... you keep following the models that work, 'cause I was doing the wrong thing over here, and next thing you know, you know, you've got to-

Joe Rogan 14:37 You gotta grind.

Bryan Callen 14:38 You gotta grind.

Joe Rogan 14:38 That's where, that's where a lot of comics fuck up.

Bryan Callen 14:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Like, they, they do it, like, once a week, and then they take a few weeks off-

Bryan Callen 14:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:44 ... and then they come back and do it again. And they're like, "How do you do it all the time?" I'm like, "'Cause I know how to grind. I'm a grinder."

Bryan Callen 14:50 It's not just grind. Like, for me, the idea is original self-expression. I'm interested in trying to take the way I think. So, a lot of things scare me and they make me angry, and I don't know how to, I don't, how to react. But, you know, instead of fretting about it, I create. You know, Michelangelo, my favorite quote, "Criticize by creating."

Joe Rogan 15:09 Ooh.

Bryan Callen 15:09 It's a great fucking quote. He said that.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Well, that's beautiful.

Bryan Callen 15:11 Yeah, he said that. He said, "Criticize by creating." I always think about that because that's kind of... Uh, when I look at my body of work and the progression of my, my specials, for example, like Man Class is a little too, you know, just about being funny and a silly goose, then Never Grow Up, a little more personal about my dad. But then, this last one, Complicated Apes, where's my camera?

Joe Rogan 15:32 Wait, is that out right now?

Bryan Callen 15:33 It's out right now.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Oh, my God. Is this the number one iTunes comedy album-

Bryan Callen 15:36 Dude, do, do we have to rank things?

Joe Rogan 15:38 ... right now in the world?

Bryan Callen 15:38 Apparently, it's crushing anywhere you can-

Joe Rogan 15:40 But I heard it's number one in the world.

Bryan Callen 15:41 Dude, where you can rent and buy, I guess Complicated Apes is doing very well.

Joe Rogan 15:44 That's amazing.

Bryan Callen 15:44 If you wanna get it and laugh hard and, and learn...

Joe Rogan 15:46 I feel like we should celebrate-

Bryan Callen 15:47 Listen, this is not about-

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... the show goes on with round one.

Bryan Callen 15:49 This is not about promoting my special.

Joe Rogan 15:51 I feel like we should.

Bryan Callen 15:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:52 I feel like you should promote it a little bit.

Bryan Callen 15:53 All right, fine. Get Complicated Apes. Let's just get that out of the way.

Joe Rogan 15:55 It's out right now, right?

Bryan Callen 15:56 I guess it's out right now.

Joe Rogan 15:57 You can get it on iTunes.

Bryan Callen 15:58 Or anywhere you rent or buy your material.

Joe Rogan 16:00 So if you have, like, Apple TV, you could just watch it on your TV.

Bryan Callen 16:02 You can get it on Xbox or PlayStation.

Joe Rogan 16:03 Ooh.

Bryan Callen 16:03 You can... Listen, you can get it on Amazon. I don't stop. Any platform, all the platforms.

Joe Rogan 16:08 You know, um, Amazon is really getting into the special game.

Bryan Callen 16:11 Yes, they are.

Joe Rogan 16:11 They're doing Alonzo Bodden special. He's gonna be coming on soon.

Bryan Callen 16:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:15 I love Alonzo. They're doing-

Bryan Callen 16:16 He's a good man.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Yeah, he's a very, uh...

Bryan Callen 16:18 Smart guy, I love that guy.

Joe Rogan 16:19 He's such a good dude.

Bryan Callen 16:20 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Um, they're doing Jim Gaffigan special.

Bryan Callen 16:24 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:24 He's fucking hilarious.

Bryan Callen 16:25 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Um, and, um, I, I think they're talking to a bunch of other people about doing specials as well. They've decided to-

Bryan Callen 16:31 I love that there are all these other people who are moving in.

Joe Rogan 16:32 I love it.

Bryan Callen 16:33 And we're in the renaissance where, where stands can make real money.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Mm.

Bryan Callen 16:36 It used to not be that way.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Right.

Bryan Callen 16:37 You had clubs. Now you got theaters.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 16:40 Now you got a whole network. Now, th- the, the internet and everything else. And, you know, what's beautiful about, um, the road now is I don't have to do that local press.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Oh, that's so good.

Bryan Callen 16:49 Come see me in Kansas City this Friday, Saturday, by the way.

Joe Rogan 16:51 What club are you doing? The Improv?

Bryan Callen 16:52 The Improv, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Oh, nice place.

Bryan Callen 16:53 I've never done it.

Joe Rogan 16:54 Nice place.

Bryan Callen 16:55 Yeah. Kansas City.

Joe Rogan 16:55 Yeah. I love Kansas City. Kansas City's fun, man.

Bryan Callen 16:57 I like it a lot.

Joe Rogan 16:58 It's fucking fun.

Bryan Callen 16:59 Oh, hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 I did a outdoor theater there this summer.

Bryan Callen 17:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:02 Yeah, it was fucking great.

Bryan Callen 17:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Me and Santino.

Bryan Callen 17:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:05 Fucking amazing, man.

Bryan Callen 17:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:07 Yeah, yeah, really fun.

Bryan Callen 17:07 An outdoor theater?

Joe Rogan 17:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really fun.

Bryan Callen 17:10 That's pretty badass.

Joe Rogan 17:11 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Kansas City's the shit. It's one of those places that people forget. St. Louis, that's also the sh-, the shit.

Bryan Callen 17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:17 That's a fun place, especially in the summer.

Bryan Callen 17:18 To me, terrible town. Now, here's the thing-

Joe Rogan 17:19 Oh, how dare you? First of all, barbecue. The barbecue's off the charts.

Bryan Callen 17:21 No, St. Louis, I had a little problem with. But Kansas City-

Joe Rogan 17:23 What, what-

Bryan Callen 17:23 ... fantastic.

Joe Rogan 17:24 What, what kind of problems did you have?

Bryan Callen 17:25 I just thought it was a very ugly city.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Maybe you're generalizing.

Bryan Callen 17:27 Maybe (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 17:28 Maybe you didn't go to the pretty spots (laughs) . What'd you go over, like, Google Earth? You drive all over the whole fucking city?

Bryan Callen 17:33 That's exactly right (laughs) . I drove around.

Joe Rogan 17:34 How about Cleveland? This is where we draw the line.

Bryan Callen 17:36 I like Cleveland.

Joe Rogan 17:37 I fucking love Cleveland.

Bryan Callen 17:38 Let me tell you why I like Cleveland. It's a beautiful city. I mean, talk about architecture, it's like Pittsburgh.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Yes, yeah.

Bryan Callen 17:42 And some great culinary-

Joe Rogan 17:44 That's hilarious that you said, "Like Pittsburgh."

Bryan Callen 17:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:46 That's true. That's totally true. Yeah, yeah.

Bryan Callen 17:47 It's where, it's where the oil, uh, then, uh, some of the r- the iron. I mean, it was, I think-

Joe Rogan 17:51 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 17:51 ... Cleveland was where some of the richest people in the world were at one point.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Last time I was in Pittsburgh... Well, uh, the first time, rather, I said... Well, not even the first time. One of the times I was in Pittsburgh, I was there for a furry convention.

Bryan Callen 18:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:01 I was there for the UFC.

Bryan Callen 18:03 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:03 And the UFC was in Pittsburgh. At the same time, a furry convention was on.

Bryan Callen 18:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:06 And that's when I found out about furries.

Bryan Callen 18:09 I love them.

Joe Rogan 18:09 I had a nice, long conversation with the dudes who work behind the desk-

Bryan Callen 18:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:14 ... at the hotel, where they were telling me the furries were asking for their food in bowls-

Bryan Callen 18:17 No.

Joe Rogan 18:17 ... so they could eat off the ground.

Bryan Callen 18:19 No.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were all furries except us.

Bryan Callen 18:21 What the fuck is going on?

Joe Rogan 18:22 I forget who went with me. I forget who opened for me. It might've been Duncan. But, uh, um, the, they were asking for a litter box so they could shit and piss in a box.

Bryan Callen 18:31 (laughs) I wanna do that.

Joe Rogan 18:32 No, you don't.

Bryan Callen 18:33 No, I don't.

Joe Rogan 18:33 It's disgusting.

Bryan Callen 18:33 But I would, just for a laugh.

Joe Rogan 18:35 How are you gonna wipe? Where are you gonna put your toilet paper?

Bryan Callen 18:36 How do you get that fetish?

Joe Rogan 18:38 Well-

Bryan Callen 18:39 It, it's like grown men who wanna be, uh, they wanna wear diapers and have somebody spank them-

Joe Rogan 18:42 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 18:42 ... and change them and...

Joe Rogan 18:43 Well, here's what's interesting. And there's...... a lot of people that think that... Look, (sighs) I am hundred percent in support of people being trans, don't get me wrong. If you want, I'm in support, I'm in support of you being whatever you wanna be. I'm, I'm a, a person who believes in free will, or, or your, your ability to freely express yourself, I should say. But if you work for a corporation, you work for a tech corporation, s- especially a particularly progressive tech corporation, you run into some real problems. And I was talking to a guy who was telling me, the you don't know the half of it, that we are dealing with a guy who, uh, he identifies as an animal, and that he i- he believes that he's kin, like he's a fox kin or a dog kin or something like that.

Bryan Callen 19:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:31 And he wants a litter box in his office.

Bryan Callen 19:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:34 This guy wants to be able to shat-

Bryan Callen 19:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:36 ... sh- in his fucking office-

Bryan Callen 19:38 Now, I-

Joe Rogan 19:38 ... into a, a-

Bryan Callen 19:38 Now-

Joe Rogan 19:38 ... box of-

Bryan Callen 19:40 Now, now, I, I appreciate that. Now, I wanna say this about him. And I'm not a psychiatrist, and I have no right to really diagnose, but he's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Yeah, he is crazy.

Bryan Callen 19:49 Right?

Joe Rogan 19:50 But here's the thing. Like, you're letting people be crazy.

Bryan Callen 19:53 Correct.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Like, when you're letting a 6'4" man compete in women's weightlifting-

Bryan Callen 19:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:59 ... because he's decided that he's a woman now.

Bryan Callen 20:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:01 And, and now he-

Bryan Callen 20:02 That's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 20:02 ... he's winning and he's wearing makeup and he looks like a gorilla, and he's on stage lifting his arms up, "Yay, diversity"-

Bryan Callen 20:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:09 ... like, you're, you're stealing from women.

Bryan Callen 20:11 You're stealing.

Joe Rogan 20:11 You're stealing victory.

Bryan Callen 20:12 Yeah, you're cheating.

Joe Rogan 20:13 You're cheating.

Bryan Callen 20:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 You're fucking 100% cheating.

Bryan Callen 20:15 That's right.

Joe Rogan 20:15 And then everybody says they're not, you're an asshole. You're an asshole.

Bryan Callen 20:18 I know, but, you know, this is about humanness and when s- when, when someone's feelings, how they identify-

Joe Rogan 20:26 Right.

Bryan Callen 20:26 ... in that moment-

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 20:27 ... which of course are so transitory, right?

Joe Rogan 20:29 Right.

Bryan Callen 20:29 I mean, I'm, I, the, the whole, my fucking, not to bring it back, but the whole idea of Complicated Apes is that we are-

Joe Rogan 20:34 What, is this your, your new special that's out right now?

Bryan Callen 20:36 This is our new special. (laughs) It's-

Joe Rogan 20:36 And it's available basically everywhere, right?

Bryan Callen 20:38 E- everywhere, dude, everywhere.

Joe Rogan 20:40 Amazon.

Bryan Callen 20:40 You... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:40 You could get it on iTunes.

Bryan Callen 20:41 Everywhere, you read... And, but, but I-

Joe Rogan 20:43 Hulu, Zulu have it?

Bryan Callen 20:44 It does!

Joe Rogan 20:44 Oh my God.

Bryan Callen 20:45 Dude, this, this, there's no-

Joe Rogan 20:46 That's crazy.

Bryan Callen 20:46 And wherever the fuck, look under your fi- look in your sock drawer, there's my special.

Joe Rogan 20:49 It's in my sock drawer.

Bryan Callen 20:50 It's in your sock drawer.

Joe Rogan 20:50 That's amazing.

Bryan Callen 20:51 But, but, but I, but I do think that, you know, we are complicated. Like, we're, we're bipolar apes, sinners and saints and everything between.

Joe Rogan 20:59 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 20:59 I'm not a, the, so, so w- it, your feelings-

Joe Rogan 21:01 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 21:01 ... how you feel, sometimes I feel like an asshole, and other times I feel like a saint, and everything in between, y- you know, it's very difficult to, you know, say, "Well, this is, you're a noun, which means you're this-"

Joe Rogan 21:12 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 21:12 "... as opposed to sort of a verb, which is, 'I'm always changing.'" And that, that to me is the problem with when you identify, when you, when you emotionally identify with something. Well, for now you do. For now. That, that's what's important to you. But I can't, I can't tailor my life and my entire corporation.

Joe Rogan 21:30 This is what the, part of the problem is.

Bryan Callen 21:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:32 And this is what you just hit on.

Bryan Callen 21:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Part of the problem is these people wanna be special for no reason at all.

Bryan Callen 21:36 Correct.

Joe Rogan 21:36 And so to be special for no reason at all, one of the best ways is to do what Bruce Jenner did, you become Caitlyn Jenner, and then he's special. That guy was a fucking loser, even though he was-

Bryan Callen 21:46 I, I agree.

Joe Rogan 21:46 ... a gigantic superstar in the Olympics and, uh-

Bryan Callen 21:48 40 years ago.

Joe Rogan 21:49 But from then on, they shat on that guy every fucking show.

Bryan Callen 21:53 That's right.

Joe Rogan 21:54 They shit on him. He was the buffoon of that show.

Bryan Callen 21:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:57 And then all of a sudden, he becomes a woman, and everybody's like, "You're amazing!"

Bryan Callen 22:01 Yeah. And Woman of the Year.

Joe Rogan 22:02 "Hero!"

Bryan Callen 22:02 Woman of the Year. All, all the-

Joe Rogan 22:03 Yeah, after being a woman for six months.

Bryan Callen 22:04 Yeah. All the women that do things like Cr- Christina Doudna, who came up with CRISPR-Cas9 and all those women.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Oh, is this the guy? Okay, this is hilarious.

Bryan Callen 22:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:12 This is a dude who's a comic. Is he a comic or a rapper?

Narrator 22:15 He's a, he's a rapper, Brett, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:16 He's a rapper, and he's fucking jacked.

Narrator 22:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:18 So he decided to identify as a woman.

Bryan Callen 22:21 Watch me destroy this guy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:22 So he destroys the British women's deadlift record without even trying.

Bryan Callen 22:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:26 "PS, I identified as a woman whilst lifting weights. Don't be a bigot." (laughs)

Bryan Callen 22:30 He's... I love this motherfucker.

Narrator 22:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:32 (laughs)

Narrator 22:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:32 And he's so jacked. Imagine that. So-

Bryan Callen 22:36 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 22:36 ... if you say, "Biological men don't have any physical strength to venture over women in 2019," okay, anybody says that is a fool.

Bryan Callen 22:42 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 22:42 That's foolish. There's a reason why-

Bryan Callen 22:43 Nobody... He just did.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Yeah, good for him. What's his name?

Bryan Callen 22:46 Zooby.

Narrator 22:47 Uh, Z- Zooby. Zooby Music.

Joe Rogan 22:47 But what is his... Zooby is his, his-

Narrator 22:49 Yeah, it's his Twitter account.

Joe Rogan 22:49 ... stage name?

Narrator 22:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Shout out to Zooby.

Bryan Callen 22:51 Oxford, Oxford graduate. Is, doesn't that-

Narrator 22:53 Zooby.

Bryan Callen 22:53 ... mean you're a Rhodes Scholar?

Joe Rogan 22:54 Zooby-

Bryan Callen 22:55 Badass.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Congratulations to you, sir. I'm following you right now.

Narrator 22:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:57 I'm gonna go right to my goddamn Twitter. While the show, um-

Bryan Callen 23:00 Free thinker, free thinker.

Joe Rogan 23:01 He is a free thinker.

Bryan Callen 23:01 God bless you.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Look, it's like, this is silliness, folks.

Bryan Callen 23:05 Of course it is.

Joe Rogan 23:05 These, and, uh, here's the problem with a lot of these progressives, is that they're really nice people. That's what it is. Zooby follows me, and now I follow him. Shout out to Zooby!

Bryan Callen 23:15 They're nice people as long as you agree with them.

Joe Rogan 23:17 (laughs) Yes, exactly.

Bryan Callen 23:18 The problem is-

Joe Rogan 23:18 And if you don't, they try to de-platform you.

Bryan Callen 23:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:19 I got listed, Tim Pool sent me this thing, right after, next to Richard Spencer-

Bryan Callen 23:25 Oh, no.

Narrator 23:25 Told me this in an article, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:25 ... as being a far right influencer.

Narrator 23:28 An alt-right influencer, yeah.

Bryan Callen 23:29 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Far right.

Narrator 23:30 Was it, uh-

Joe Rogan 23:31 They called me far right.

Bryan Callen 23:32 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 23:33 I'm left. They're liars.

Bryan Callen 23:35 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 23:36 I am fucking left, going on-

Bryan Callen 23:38 Who, who, who did that, though, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:39 I'm, I'm almost a socialist.

Bryan Callen 23:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:41 I, I consider universal basic income a really good idea.

Bryan Callen 23:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 I want free college education.

Bryan Callen 23:46 Take it easy.

Joe Rogan 23:46 I would like to spend more in taxes if they could fix inner city communities, and, and take these poor neighborhoods-

Bryan Callen 23:52 We spent a lot on that.

Joe Rogan 23:52 ... and throw a fuck load of... Spend more, you fucking Republican piece of shit.

Bryan Callen 23:55 Promise, the promise, the more money you spend, it doesn't add-

Joe Rogan 23:58 The problem is you got white privilege.

Bryan Callen 23:59 The problem is the money doesn't solve the problem.

Joe Rogan 23:59 That's the problem.

Bryan Callen 24:00 Listen, you son of a bitch.

Joe Rogan 24:01 I, I feel it coming out of your pores right now.

Bryan Callen 24:02 Listen, you socialists, why don't you leave my country?

Joe Rogan 24:04 I'm 1.6% African-

Bryan Callen 24:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:05 ... so watch your fucking mouth.

Bryan Callen 24:07 Dude, no wonder you're so-

Joe Rogan 24:09 Okay?

Bryan Callen 24:09 ... you're so, uh, compassionate.

Joe Rogan 24:11 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 24:11 Compassion's everything.

Joe Rogan 24:13 But I think these people are too compassionate. This is what the problem is. They're like, "Oh, you identify as a wood elf? Oh, cool-"

Bryan Callen 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 "... you're an elf."

Bryan Callen 24:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:20 "I, I don't wanna, I d- you know, like, whatever your feelings..." And here's the thing, they're terrified of someone coming after them.

Bryan Callen 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 So they try to embrace... The more preposterous, the better.

Bryan Callen 24:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Like-

Bryan Callen 24:29 M- well-

Joe Rogan 24:29 ... they're, they're having a real hard time now with this woman, the congresswoman, you know, uh, who said a bunch of, uh, antisemitic shit.

Bryan Callen 24:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Who's a Muslim?

Bryan Callen 24:37 Or anti-Israeli stuff, right?

Joe Rogan 24:37 Anti-Israeli shit.

Bryan Callen 24:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:38 W- is it antisemitic? Has she said anything bad about Jews in general or just Israel?

Bryan Callen 24:42 I think she might have said s- anti-Israeli stuff, which-

Joe Rogan 24:44 Hm.

Bryan Callen 24:45 ... which I think you can make a distinction. You can-

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yes, you should be able to.

Bryan Callen 24:48 I think you should be able to make an intelligent argument that there is a difference between being not anti-Israeli, but (clears throat) having problems with their policies-

Joe Rogan 24:57 Yes.

Bryan Callen 24:58 ... and Jews.

Joe Rogan 24:59 Yes.

Bryan Callen 24:59 Right? 'Cause there are a lot of Jews that are critical of Israel as well.

Joe Rogan 25:02 100%.

Bryan Callen 25:03 Yeah. So it's...... you know, but sometimes-

Joe Rogan 25:06 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 25:06 ... to s- silence you and stop the argument.

Joe Rogan 25:08 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 25:08 I don't, I'm not familiar with what she said exactly, but-

Joe Rogan 25:10 I'm not either.

Bryan Callen 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Um, yeah.

Bryan Callen 25:12 But the, but, uh, yeah. But go on, what were you saying about, about, uh, the problem?

Joe Rogan 25:17 They don't know what to do with her.

Bryan Callen 25:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:19 They're stuck in this weird spot because they don't... Like, here's a perfect example. Where was it? Um, was it som- so it was somewhere in Europe where, um, these, this Muslim group was shouting down this LBGT demonstration.

Bryan Callen 25:35 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:36 And the, like, everybody's like, "Oh, well, Jesus, what do we do here? We have two protected classes going to war with each other."

Bryan Callen 25:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:42 And one of them is shouting down the other one saying that, you know, homosexuality is forbidden by God, but then we're supposed to be protective of LBGT people, we're supposed to be open-minded and progressive in allowing them. But, but then you have these people who are saying that it's their religion, that they think that this is, this is wrong, and this is also a protected class. You don't want to be Islamophobic. So what does everyone do? Well, everyone stands back. And this is one of the weird moments where people are standing back while LBGT people are getting absolutely crucified in the streets, yelled at with bullhorns, told they're b- being s- they're sinners and, um, blasphemers, or-

Bryan Callen 26:20 But that, that, uh, that actually is part of free speech, right? So-

Joe Rogan 26:24 Sure.

Bryan Callen 26:24 ... so it's part of being able to-

Joe Rogan 26:25 That's all I'm talking about.

Bryan Callen 26:25 ... organize and express yourself-

Joe Rogan 26:27 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 26:27 ... organize and petition your government. That's constitutional as long as you don't incite someone to violence, as long as you don't say, "Hey, you guys, go kill those gay people over there."

Joe Rogan 26:39 Well, I'm not talking about constitutionally.

Bryan Callen 26:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:41 I mean, constitutionally I, I agree, it is free speech. But what I'm saying is that there's no outrage. There's no commensurate outrage like there would be if, say, like, white nationalists were screaming at these people.

Bryan Callen 26:52 (laughs) So, so here's my issue with the f- far left or the left or even, uh, f- forget the right for a second, I have my own issues with that. But m- my, with the progressive argument, I always notice that the narrative is very binary. The narrative is always... Uh, so for example, w- uh, racism is the argument, right? So we need to get rid of racism. I happen to think we could be as identical as penguins and we'd still find reasons to break into us versus them, right?

Joe Rogan 27:18 Well, we'd have an ideological bind.

Bryan Callen 27:19 Of course we did.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 27:20 Look, look at the Middle East. If racism was the, was the, the ultimate problem, then you- the Middle East would be fairly-

Joe Rogan 27:25 Yeah. Or it would be a financial-

Bryan Callen 27:26 Sunnis and Shia-

Joe Rogan 27:27 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 27:27 ... the Igbo and the Yoruba-

Joe Rogan 27:29 Sure.

Bryan Callen 27:29 I mean, I can keep going with the, with the, their, their, the, there'd be all kinds of... So people are looking- the Dinka and the Nua of the Sudan, sworn enemies, they look exactly the same. So human beings don't need to have different colored skin.

Joe Rogan 27:40 I couldn't agree more.

Bryan Callen 27:40 Yeah. So, so, so we are tribal and it's fun to break into these us versus them. I, I think the-

Joe Rogan 27:46 Yes.

Bryan Callen 27:46 ... biggest problem is, is kind of deciding that y- first of all, the internet has, like, made it very possible for you to purify your echo chamber.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Yes.

Bryan Callen 27:54 That's a big problem. And, and then you surround yourself with people who think and, and see the world exactly like yourself. And I think we get smarter when we listen to the other side, even if you don't agree with them, because your ideas aren't working and their ideas aren't working, but put your ideas together and maybe somebody gets pregnant with a new idea, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:14 Yeah, the, the ideas that there's some way that you could stop all division between human beings, as long as people are allowed to express themselves and they live unique and individual lives, that's never gonna happen.

Bryan Callen 28:26 No.

Joe Rogan 28:27 You're gonna have people that come from different parts of the world where different things are more important, you're gonna have people that come from different economic situations. It's, it's going to be different. I mean, when, when I say that I'm almost a socialist, what I mean is, like, look, there's certain things we just accept that we need. Like, here's one. You need a well-funded fire department-

Bryan Callen 28:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:46 ... right? Who's, whose money... Everybody, we're pooling all our money into that.

Bryan Callen 28:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Right, right, we agree with that. We agree there's well-funded public education. You have to have that, right? Well, we barely do that right now, but we do have that and d- uh, teachers are getting fucked left and right, they're getting minimal pay, k- children are going to school in hazardous conditions, but it's, at least there's some money being put.

Bryan Callen 29:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Police officers, we agree. S- uh, street, fixing the streets, we agree. We agree on a lot of things, but then it gets to certain things, we go, "Okay, well, that's where we draw the line." Well, why do we draw the line there? Why do we draw the line, um, w- when it comes to community upheavals, like fixing, fixing communities?

Bryan Callen 29:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Why do we... I mean, uh, infrastructure.

Bryan Callen 29:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Like, p- p- ch- why do, why, why don't we have, like, why don't we l- if we're really a team, or if the United States is really a team, why don't we look at it as a team in terms of equal allocation of resources to solve conflicts and problems, including crime? We don't.

Bryan Callen 29:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Right? We don't-

Bryan Callen 29:43 Well, a lot of times the problem is isolating the source of the problem.

Joe Rogan 29:47 Right.

Bryan Callen 29:47 So people disagree on what the actual problem is. I can give you examples. I mean, when, when we talk about illegal immigration and what to actually do about it, people are all over the b- board with it and they'll challenge your solution in court and there's all kinds of stalemates, which probably is a good thing so things don't get too... They don't swing too far in either direction.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Right.

Bryan Callen 30:07 Uh, universal basic income, universal healthcare, gun control. These are actually fairly complicated issues. You know, I don't want spree shooters, you know, but when you get down to it and, and you hear people who are really educated on the subject of guns, they can get you twisted up in an argument if you start talking about gun control because you realize this is a complicated issue, and maybe it's a mental health issue, maybe it's a thousand issu- you know, a thousand things.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Well, it's certainly a mental health issue.

Bryan Callen 30:32 There's a lot of issues with it, but-

Joe Rogan 30:33 The, uh, the u- the ability that someone has to do what... Is it, was it only one guy? More than one person got arrested in New Zealand, correct?

Bryan Callen 30:40 No, I think it was just one guy.

Narrator 30:42 Yeah, but, uh, yeah, more than... They got arrested, but only one shooter-

Joe Rogan 30:45 Yeah.

Narrator 30:45 ... as far as I know.

Joe Rogan 30:45 So the other ones were planning it? Is that what it was?

Narrator 30:47 They thought they were... Maybe, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Maybe.

Bryan Callen 30:48 No, I think he was... Yeah. But m- my, my thing is that-

Joe Rogan 30:50 But my point is-

Bryan Callen 30:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 ... like, you have to be ill. There's no other way.

Bryan Callen 30:54 Of course you do. Of course you do.

Joe Rogan 30:54 Is t- you have to be mentally ill, you know, in order to do that.

Bryan Callen 30:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Now, I want you to think about the fact there's more guns than there are people.

Bryan Callen 31:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:01 So in this country alone, there's 300-plus million people, there's more than 300 million guns.

Bryan Callen 31:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Relatively speaking...... the number of mass shootings is incredibly small-

Bryan Callen 31:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:12 ... in comparison to the amount of guns and the amount of sick people.

Bryan Callen 31:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:16 And how many people are sick who don't become mass shooters?

Bryan Callen 31:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:20 It's a big number.

Bryan Callen 31:20 Yes. It's, it's very true. Those are things, and, and a lot of the gun violence, uh, that the left talks about, a lot of those are suicides.

Joe Rogan 31:27 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 31:27 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 A lot of it.

Bryan Callen 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:29 Yeah. A lot of that is suicides, a lot of it is cops shooting bad guys, a lot of it is people defending themselves, and then after that you have gang violence.

Bryan Callen 31:35 But so, so, but so the problem is that when people argue, they make these things very simplistic.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 31:40 And they're not. You know, even the, even identity politics, I mean, you know, so straight white males are essentially the enemy, so what the idea would be if we take straight m- white males out of the equation, because this is all power, right? It's all-

Joe Rogan 31:52 Talking to Amy Schumer lately or something?

Bryan Callen 31:53 No. But, but, (laughs) uh, no I'm not, but this tyrannical hierarchy and stuff, as if-

Joe Rogan 31:58 (clears throat)

Bryan Callen 31:58 ... if you took white males and took all of them out of the equation, as if there wouldn't be a new hierarchy.

Joe Rogan 32:03 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 32:03 That's fucking, uh, 'cause, you know, it's just the way shit happens. People... When you try to make things really equal in a communist society, the people closest to the government making the decisions, they become the new elite. So-

Joe Rogan 32:14 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 32:14 ... you're not gonna fucking-

Joe Rogan 32:15 No.

Bryan Callen 32:16 ... avoid that shit.

Joe Rogan 32:17 No, and also, there's no equality of effort. The problem with equality-

Bryan Callen 32:21 Yeah, that's what the answer is.

Joe Rogan 32:21 ... of income and equality, like people want success to ... They think that if you're more successful that it's because of some sort of a cheat.

Bryan Callen 32:28 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:28 You've, you've rigged the system or cheated somehow or another. But that's not true. Some people work harder. They just-

Bryan Callen 32:35 Of course they do.

Joe Rogan 32:36 They just do.

Bryan Callen 32:37 Of course they do.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Some people become obsessed with success, and some people... My uncle, my uncle Vinny doesn't give a fuck. You know what my uncle Vinny does? He makes art.

Bryan Callen 32:46 Really?

Joe Rogan 32:47 He sells it. Yeah, he's always been that way. He used to be a photographer, and now he, uh, he makes, uh, he sent me some driftwood that he painted.

Bryan Callen 32:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 32:56 He painted signs for my daughters, made out of driftwood. He's just a really-

Bryan Callen 33:01 I love people like that.

Joe Rogan 33:01 He's so eccentric, but he's never given a fuck about y- it drove his ex-wife crazy.

Bryan Callen 33:06 He just makes beautiful things for-

Joe Rogan 33:07 He's an artist.

Bryan Callen 33:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:08 He's like a legitimate artist, like-

Bryan Callen 33:09 Jimmy Burke's that way. Jimmy Burke is truly not ambitious. He is c- he is only interested in feeding his brain. He lo- like, he listens to, uh, Stephen West's podcast, Philosophize This, which is my-

Joe Rogan 33:20 I love that podcast.

Bryan Callen 33:21 That's my new, my favorite-

Joe Rogan 33:22 I've been talking to that guy back and forth.

Bryan Callen 33:24 Love him.

Joe Rogan 33:24 I'm gonna get him on.

Bryan Callen 33:24 Yeah, I gotta get him on. I love, I, uh, he's 29, and he's got such a command of philosophy, but he makes it so accessible.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Yes.

Bryan Callen 33:31 Like, Jimmy will start his day with Philosophize This, just listen, get a, get a nugget, and then he goes and works out and plays tennis and just, he's a national treasure because he only lives to educate himself and make the world a better place. He just makes people feel good about themselves.

Joe Rogan 33:44 He's trying to enjoy life.

Bryan Callen 33:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 But do you think you'd wanna do it over and over and over again, the exact same life?

Bryan Callen 33:48 I do. (laughs) He's, he's the happiest. He's the closest thing to a monk. I was just with him. I, I flew him down to Florida, 'cause I just love having him around.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Do you remember this happened on the podcast, folks? You wanna watch a disaster of a podcast?

Bryan Callen 34:00 He was so high. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:00 We got him way too high.

Bryan Callen 34:02 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 34:02 We got him like three or four hits deep and he doesn't smoke weed.

Bryan Callen 34:05 And he hadn't eaten.

Joe Rogan 34:06 He hadn't eaten.

Bryan Callen 34:07 And he was thirsty.

Joe Rogan 34:07 I don't think the, if eating helps when you're smoking it.

Bryan Callen 34:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 I might be wrong. Does it? I don't think so.

Bryan Callen 34:11 Well, he was already low blood sugar, and he hadn't slept.

Joe Rogan 34:14 We barbecued that dude.

Bryan Callen 34:15 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 We, we threw him in a Traeger Grill and set it, (laughs) set it at 225-

Bryan Callen 34:19 He was forgetting stories.

Joe Rogan 34:20 ... for six hours.

Bryan Callen 34:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:21 He was forgetting stories in the middle of the first sentence.

Bryan Callen 34:23 I, he's amazing. He's amazing.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Yeah, we fucked him up.

Bryan Callen 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Which is too bad because he tells some great stories. Now the world will forever know him as the guy who couldn't keep it together.

Bryan Callen 34:30 Well, well I remember when he, that he had tuberculosis. I called him Jimmy Buberkulosis, and uh-

Joe Rogan 34:34 He had tuberculosis?

Bryan Callen 34:35 He sure did. Uh, he got it-

Joe Rogan 34:37 Did he get tuberculosis?

Bryan Callen 34:37 They think he got it from his grandfather when he was three years old, and it laid dormant, and they couldn't find it 'cause it was on the outside of his lung.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Holy shit.

Bryan Callen 34:44 So, I'm with him in the hospital. I've never seen anything like this. I'm with him in the hospital, and he had, they thought he had two things. One, the disease that killed Bernie Mac, or two, lung-

Joe Rogan 34:54 What disease killed Bernie Mac?

Bryan Callen 34:55 He had a, uh, uh, that disease that firemen get from 9/11, uh, where your lungs basically turn to sand. I mean, you know.

Joe Rogan 35:02 Oh.

Bryan Callen 35:02 It- it's awful.

Joe Rogan 35:03 God.

Bryan Callen 35:04 So Bernie Mac died of that. So they said, "You have either a fatal disease, which is that lung disease, or you have lung cancer." Okay? Now this was what he was looking at. And I remember he was just talking to me like this, "Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo," and joking around, "Ah ha. Oh dude, yeah." And I went, "Bubba," I go, "you are, you've been given, like, they are looking at you either being, you know, you're dead or dead. I don't understand how you're not even missing a beat." And he goes, "Dude, come on. I've made peace with my death a long time ago. I live every day as it comes." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:37 Wow.

Bryan Callen 35:37 And he, and he was getting ready for them to come out and tell him what it was. And the doctors, you know you can't l- help but to love him, so he was there for three weeks, and the doctors finally found that he had tuberculosis. Now, at this point, all the doctors fell in love with him, all of them. They'd come in and listen to his stories. So the doctor came running in and goes, "We found out what you have. You have tuberculosis." (laughs) And then Jimmy was like, "Ah, great." And they go, "No, we can cure that. This is fucking great we can cure that." So he went on nine months of antibiotics.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Nine months?

Bryan Callen 36:05 And he went colorblind.

Joe Rogan 36:08 From the antibiotics?

Bryan Callen 36:08 Yeah, that's what happened to him. He is now colorblind.

Joe Rogan 36:10 So he's colorblind now?

Bryan Callen 36:11 Yup. Colorblind.

Joe Rogan 36:12 Whoa.

Bryan Callen 36:12 That's what the antibiotics did. But hey, he's 100%. But I remember, I've never seen anybody face his own death and be that just monk-like about it. He's a badass.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Does he have a good diet?

Bryan Callen 36:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Now, when he was on the antibiotics, did they give him probiotics as well?

Bryan Callen 36:27 ... I, he does probiotics. He brought his body right back. I mean, he is just a beast. He, he's never stopped working out, he's never stopped eating really well. And, you know-

Joe Rogan 36:35 Do they know what caused his, uh, antibiotic reaction that made him colorblind? Is there a mechanism-

Bryan Callen 36:40 That apparently is a side effect when you take nine months of a very strong cocktail of antibiotics.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Ooh.

Bryan Callen 36:46 You know?

Joe Rogan 36:47 And that cured it, though? Nine months later-

Bryan Callen 36:49 That cured it.

Joe Rogan 36:49 ... it cured it?

Bryan Callen 36:49 Yeah, thank God.

Narrator 36:50 Wow.

Bryan Callen 36:50 Thank God.

Joe Rogan 36:50 There's no way it cures it on its own?

Bryan Callen 36:52 Well, it, back in the day, you had consumption, and almost... You died eventually.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Ooh.

Bryan Callen 36:56 But some people would go up into the mountains, and it would, it would, uh, tuberculosis can r- go into remission and not come out again.

Joe Rogan 37:04 When you go to the mountains?

Bryan Callen 37:05 The w- the, the idea was, "We'll go to the mountains and breathe fresh air," and sometimes you could go into remission with antiem- uh, with, uh, tuberculosis. But tuberculosis was almost always a death sentence. In Long Day's Journey Into Night, the g- great play and Nobel Prize winner Eugene O'Neill, his brother had it, and, uh, he knew his brother was gonna die. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 37:24 (sighs)

Bryan Callen 37:24 ... he just watched his brother deteriorate. It was a, like, it was like having AIDS or something. You would cough, you'd spit up blood, and then, uh, you know... I think Chopin, the great piano player, died of it. This is why when people talk about, you know, w- when they're a- they're anti-vaccine or they're anti, uh, antibiotics or Western medicine, just read. Uh, uh, forget ev- all the science. Don't, don't worry about Big Pharma. Just pick up a history book or a piece of literature, anything that's written before 1950, which most people don't, 1960, any classic book. And the b- one of the bl- central themes is, is the fact that people, especially children, died. Lincoln lost, what, three of his children?

Joe Rogan 38:03 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 38:03 Three, two, "fever," quote, unquote. Usually probably diphtheria or something that came rolling through. Smallpox was a fucking... It was the biggest killer forever.

Joe Rogan 38:13 How about the Spanish Flu of 1918? Killed-

Bryan Callen 38:15 People died.

Joe Rogan 38:16 ... millions-

Bryan Callen 38:17 20, 20 million people.

Joe Rogan 38:17 ... millions and billions of people.

Bryan Callen 38:18 Yeah. So if you just d- forget, for- I mean, just pick up a history book, or pick up s-

Joe Rogan 38:23 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 38:23 ... a piece of literature. It was unavoidable.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yeah, it's g- it's very con- the Spanish Flu apparently was a really weird one, because it, it actively attacked people with really good immune systems.

Bryan Callen 38:32 Oh, young people, young people died.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Yeah, killed them better than it killed older people-

Bryan Callen 38:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:36 ... for some strange reason.

Bryan Callen 38:36 Yeah. And that was a, that was a fact of life. You usually buried your children. Throughout history, you had to bury your children. That's a, that's a unequivocal fact. We don't live in that world anymore. We don't worry about those, those diseases like tetanus and diphtheria and things that would roll through and just kill everybody.

Joe Rogan 38:52 But people are getting it now. People are getting tetanus again.

Bryan Callen 38:55 That's right.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Some, some kid got tetanus, and I saw people arguing that, uh, th- one of the dumbest fucking things I ever saw in my life. Someone was saying, "There's a simple cure to tetanus."

Bryan Callen 39:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:04 "Just expose it to open air." Like-

Bryan Callen 39:06 (laughs) Is that a scientist? Was that a guy who has his degree? Why-

Joe Rogan 39:09 No.

Bryan Callen 39:09 ... why is it these guys never have a degree?

Joe Rogan 39:11 No, this, he was a chem trail believer.

Bryan Callen 39:12 B- b- b- but why do, why is it that all these guys who make the noise-

Joe Rogan 39:15 Because the people that wanna f-

Bryan Callen 39:15 ... don't have degrees?

Joe Rogan 39:16 ... because they wanna believe that there's some sort of a, some sort of an organized clan of people that are trying to keep your health down-

Bryan Callen 39:24 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:24 ... or support Big Pharma, or... Look-

Bryan Callen 39:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:26 ... there, the, the real facts of diseases like smallpox and like polio, like all these horrific diseases that people w- in our grandparents' generation had to deal with, is that they were cured by medicine.

Bryan Callen 39:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:40 The e- is m- is modern pharma greedy? Fuckin' look no further than the Oxy- OxyContin crisis.

Bryan Callen 39:46 That's right.

Joe Rogan 39:46 The opiate crisis we f- we're facing this-

Bryan Callen 39:48 Sure.

Joe Rogan 39:48 ... in this country. Yeah, Big Pharma, uh, left unchecked, is like anything else where it's a corporation that wants to have universal growth.

Bryan Callen 39:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:56 They wanna have constant, never-ending growth, and they wanna keep making money, and the way to do that is to prescribe more people poison.

Bryan Callen 40:02 Ben Goldacre, you ever have him on as podcast?

Joe Rogan 40:04 No.

Bryan Callen 40:04 He wrote a book called Bad Pharma, but he's a doctor who takes a very... He said, "There, there is evil, but you have to know what kind of evil."

Joe Rogan 40:11 Right.

Bryan Callen 40:11 "Don't just throw the whole..."

Joe Rogan 40:12 Exactly.

Bryan Callen 40:12 If you have MRSA, you need Big Pharma.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Fuck yeah, you do.

Bryan Callen 40:15 You know, if you have staph, just talk to anybody who's ever wrestled-

Joe Rogan 40:18 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 40:18 ... or anything.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Dude, Cam Hayne's son had staph, and he called me up. He's like, uh, "How bad is staph?" And I'm like, "Jesus Christ." H- 'cause he told me his son, his son got it at the gym. I'm like, "Get him to the fucking doctor-

Bryan Callen 40:27 Now.

Joe Rogan 40:27 "... immediately."

Bryan Callen 40:28 Now.

Joe Rogan 40:29 My wife's friend w- um, went into a coma. She, she w- she started having seizures-

Bryan Callen 40:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:35 ... because of a, an unchecked staph infection-

Bryan Callen 40:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:37 ... she got at the gym. She started having seizures.

Bryan Callen 40:39 I'm at sushi with Frank Grillo, our buddy, and he, he boxes every day. And I see his arm, and he's got a long-sleeve shirt, and his arm's bleeding. And I go, "What's going on with your arm?" And he goes, "I got cut. I was at the gym," and he's always on that dirty, you know, mat, or just whatever. In a, literally f- seven hours, his, he had a sac hanging off his elbow. Doctor goes, "You gotta get..." He almost lost his arm. He had to get shots and antibiotics for a whole week. I mean, that shit moves quick.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Moves very quick.

Bryan Callen 41:09 You would lose your arm-

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 41:10 ... or die.

Joe Rogan 41:10 I told, did I tell you the Ari Shaffir story? Me and Ari are playing pool and he's limping.

Bryan Callen 41:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:14 I'm like, "What's going on with your leg?" And he goes, "Ah, I think I got a spider bite." I go, "Let me see your leg." He pulls his leg out. I go, "Dude, listen to me. You're going to the doctor right now." I un- unscrew my cue. He's like, "Are you serious?" I go, "We're, we're quitting right now, and I'm taking you to the fucking hospital." I go, "You gotta go to the hospital now." He goes, "Now." I go, "Do you have a staph infection and it's bad?"

Bryan Callen 41:34 And you could tell?

Joe Rogan 41:34 Fuck yeah.

Bryan Callen 41:35 What did it-

Joe Rogan 41:35 I didn't even-

Bryan Callen 41:36 ... what did it look like?

Joe Rogan 41:36 It was like a zit, like a giant zit on his knee.

Bryan Callen 41:39 Yeah.

Narrator 41:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:39 I go, "That's not a spider bite, bro." And he was been, he was doing jujitsu-

Bryan Callen 41:44 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 41:44 ... 'cause of me. I, I bought him a year-

Bryan Callen 41:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:46 (laughs) I bought him a year membership-

Bryan Callen 41:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:47 ... for jujitsu for, uh, Hanukkah. But, uh, yeah, man, it was fucking nasty. And, uh, he woulda just walked around with it, and then it woulda gotten really bad and he probably woulda got systemic and died.

Bryan Callen 41:57 Yeah, my, my buddy-

Joe Rogan 41:58 And that happens to people.

Bryan Callen 41:59 My buddy Ryan, who is a half Gracie black belt, they had to cut out, they had to cut a, an inch off of his shin bone-

Joe Rogan 42:06 Mm.

Bryan Callen 42:06 ... because the screws... So every time he'd be on antibiotics, a year and a half in and out of the hospital. Took him two years to recover with probiotics-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Mm.

Bryan Callen 42:12 ... and everything. Year and a half, because the screws, every time they put the screws back in, they-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Screws?

Bryan Callen 42:17 The screws had the virus-

Joe Rogan 42:19 What screws?

Bryan Callen 42:19 ... of the bacteria. So he had to have, um... When they took out the, they took out the bone and they had to put a plate there, they, they would use screws. So for whatever reason, the screws that were in the metal would somehow... They were infected. They kept infecting the bone.

Joe Rogan 42:35 Oh, god.

Bryan Callen 42:36 And they had to grow... They had to somehow graft bone back on. It was fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Jesus Christ.

Bryan Callen 42:40 But that was... It's no joke, man. But anyway...

Joe Rogan 42:42 How happy... Once that, something like that happens, though, how happy are you when you're healed?Yeah, I had a cold recently, just a little cold, not that bad-

Bryan Callen 42:51 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:51 ... but I was running ragged, just too many trips and too busy and getting up early and going to bed late, and I was just really tired and sick. And then I couldn't work out for, like, four or five days, and I remember thinking to myself, "You gotta remember this. You gotta remember this shitty feeling when you can't even exercise." And I'm hocking up green shit-

Bryan Callen 43:10 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 43:10 ... and spitting in the sink just to look at it.

Bryan Callen 43:12 I know.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Do you do that? You blow your nose in the sink?

Bryan Callen 43:14 Of course I do.

Joe Rogan 43:14 I do that. I go... (blows nose)

Bryan Callen 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Yeah. (blows nose) Yeah.

Bryan Callen 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 I wanna see it.

Bryan Callen 43:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:17 I wanna see what it looks like.

Bryan Callen 43:18 Yup.

Joe Rogan 43:19 Just big fucking b- b- smurfs.

Bryan Callen 43:21 Yeah, just shit.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Big green globules all over-

Bryan Callen 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:25 ... the fucking sink. But, um, I just remember thinking, like, "You gotta be smart or stupid. Just be, be smarter about your health." And most of the time I am.

Bryan Callen 43:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Most of the time I am, but sometimes I just go, "I gotta hit that gas. I got nothing in the tank."

Bryan Callen 43:37 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 43:37 "But I gotta fucking keep that accelerator pressed."

Bryan Callen 43:39 That's why I don't fuck around with my sleep anymore. I read that book, uh, Why We Sleep.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Matthew Walker?

Bryan Callen 43:43 (puffs)

Joe Rogan 43:44 He's amazing.

Bryan Callen 43:44 I, I, I, I just, I don't fuck around with my sleep anymore.

Joe Rogan 43:46 You should not. You should not. Sleep is critical.

Bryan Callen 43:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Yeah. It's, um... You know what is, is amazing for sleep, man? You know what you should get in your place? Get yourself a sauna.

Bryan Callen 43:57 Really?

Joe Rogan 43:57 Oh, yeah.

Bryan Callen 43:59 Really?

Joe Rogan 43:59 Oh, yeah. You do 20 minutes-

Bryan Callen 44:01 I take cold showers.

Joe Rogan 44:02 ... in the sauna, that's for fucking clowns.

Bryan Callen 44:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:05 You wear a rubber nose when you do it. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 44:07 Yeah. Hey, man. Hey, man.

Joe Rogan 44:08 I take cold showers after yoga.

Bryan Callen 44:10 You wear a rubber nose.

Joe Rogan 44:12 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 44:12 You fucking clown.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Man, Joe's being mean to me, called me a clown.

Bryan Callen 44:15 Fucking-

Joe Rogan 44:15 He's a fucking clown.

Bryan Callen 44:17 Fucking clown.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Uh-

Bryan Callen 44:18 I'm trying to create shock proteins. I don't know-

Joe Rogan 44:21 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 44:21 ... what the fuck those are.

Joe Rogan 44:21 You gotta g- get really cold. You should have an ice bath if you wanna do that, but-

Bryan Callen 44:24 I'll do an ice bath. I've done that before.

Joe Rogan 44:25 Have you done cryo?

Bryan Callen 44:27 Yeah, I've done cryo. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Have you done the real one where your-

Bryan Callen 44:29 At the Onnit Lab.

Joe Rogan 44:29 ... your head goes in?

Bryan Callen 44:30 I did it at Onnit.

Joe Rogan 44:31 No, you did the one where the neck below. Onnit has the bullshit one.

Bryan Callen 44:34 Really?

Joe Rogan 44:34 Yeah. The real one's only made by Cryo Healthcare. They, they have one in New York, or one center in New York. They have one in LA. They have one here. They have one in Woodland Hills, like, 10 minutes away.

Bryan Callen 44:46 Come sit in an ice bath for 20 minutes and talk to me.

Joe Rogan 44:48 Um, okay.

Bryan Callen 44:49 You go numb.

Joe Rogan 44:50 It sucks, I'm sure-

Bryan Callen 44:51 It's a bitch.

Joe Rogan 44:52 ... but so does 250 degrees below zero-

Bryan Callen 44:55 Have you not done an ice bath?

Joe Rogan 44:56 ... for three minutes. Yeah, I have.

Bryan Callen 44:57 Oof.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Come on, bro. It sucks.

Bryan Callen 44:58 All right, bro.

Joe Rogan 44:59 I get it.

Bryan Callen 44:59 Did you wear a fucking ... Do you wear a clown nose?

Joe Rogan 45:03 I sang-

Bryan Callen 45:03 Burn.

Joe Rogan 45:03 ... singing-

Bryan Callen 45:03 I just double burned him now.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Singing a song. I was singing, singing.

Bryan Callen 45:07 Sing.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Belsene. Um, yeah, it's not good. Um, there's probably some real benefits to ice baths. The benefit of, um, cryo over ice baths is you could work out right afterwards.

Bryan Callen 45:16 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Ice baths, they recommend you not work out.

Bryan Callen 45:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:19 They're like, "You just chill out for a while."

Bryan Callen 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 But it's great after working out. But for muscle strength and development, it's actually not good to do it right after training. You actually should wait quite a while, like maybe an hour or two.

Bryan Callen 45:33 So when you ... You've been ... You've had s- countless conversations with cutting edge scientists and exercise people.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 45:40 The five things that you do every day, like, that, that ... without fail. What are they in terms of for your health?

Joe Rogan 45:47 Uh, first of all, I supplement. I think you-

Bryan Callen 45:50 You believe in supplements?

Joe Rogan 45:51 I believe absolutely wholeheartedly in supplements. I do not-

Bryan Callen 45:54 Like which, though? What kind?

Joe Rogan 45:55 Um, I take Athletic Greens. It's a, it's a sponsor. Um, they have a ... It's a great whole food supplement. I'm doing an ad for them right now. One, one serving has 12, one scoop has 12 servings of, uh, fruits and vegetables in terms of the amount of antioxidants you get.

Bryan Callen 46:12 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 46:12 It's very healthy. It's good just for, like, a backup plan.

Bryan Callen 46:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Like, I take these little packs with me on the road. Um, I take a lot of the Onnit shit. I take, uh, obviously Alpha Brain-

Bryan Callen 46:24 I use Shroom Tech. That shit works.

Joe Rogan 46:25 ... Shroom Tech, you know. W- we have some awesome whole food supplements. There's a bunch of great stuff. Um, I take a lot of vitamins. I take vitamin D. I take vitamin B. I take a lot of fish oil-

Bryan Callen 46:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:38 ... a lot of essential fatty acids. I believe in all those things. I cut way back on my sugar, I mean way back-

Bryan Callen 46:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:48 ... to where maybe once a week I'll have dessert, maybe once a week.

Bryan Callen 46:51 Yeah. I feel that. I do that too.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Yeah. I don't fuck around, man.

Bryan Callen 46:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Um, I just, I really-

Bryan Callen 46:56 Do intermittent fast?

Joe Rogan 46:58 Yes.

Bryan Callen 46:58 Me too.

Joe Rogan 46:58 16 hours a day.

Bryan Callen 46:59 Yeah, I do that too.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Yeah, every day.

Bryan Callen 47:01 And that makes me feel... That ... You know, my psoriasis is 100% gone.

Joe Rogan 47:04 That's awesome.

Bryan Callen 47:04 Well, part of it's also ... And I, uh, sh- I gotta give a shout-out to Dan Garner. dangarner88 at Gmail if you need his email. He's a fuck-

Joe Rogan 47:12 Uh-oh.

Bryan Callen 47:12 So he's the guy who-

Joe Rogan 47:13 What a terrible idea. You're gonna get-

Bryan Callen 47:14 No, no, it's fine, it's fine. I wanna, I wanna promote him because he's-

Joe Rogan 47:16 You know how many fucking people are gonna email that guy-

Bryan Callen 47:18 Good.

Joe Rogan 47:18 ... pictures of dicks?

Bryan Callen 47:19 Good. But he, a lot of people have psoriasis, but let me, let me tell you... So, so Andy Galpin, who you know-

Joe Rogan 47:23 Yes, very well.

Bryan Callen 47:24 So I talked to Andy Galpin a- and, and Afif Ghannoum, who does ... who Aubrey put me in touch with. He's, he, uh, he's the guy who coined the term the gut biome.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 47:32 Should actually have him on. He's, he's really, really smart guy. He's a scientist who's leading scientist in gut biome. They're working with the Cleveland Institute of Dermatology, I think, with psoriasis, so how the gut affects psoriasis. So anyway, long story short, Andy Galpin puts me together with Dan Garner. He's got, like, 12 degrees, but he's a strength and nutrition coach. This motherfucker's such a nerd with everything, and this guy, he, he ... I did a, a gut analysis and all that stuff. This guy gives me a diet and a, and finds some in- opportu- opportunistic infections in my gut, like bacteria that shouldn't be there. He's got me doing, like, oil of oregano and fucking, um, garlic pills and stuff like that. But there's a whole regimen I do for four months. Long story short, then there's a probiotic protocol that you do. I do all that, my psoriasis just goes away. It's just, it has not come back and it's been gone. Now, it's something I'll have to m- m- manage, but when I say complete, 'cause you saw my back, remember, when you saw it-

Joe Rogan 48:24 Yes.

Bryan Callen 48:24 ... it's all gone. And I had that for nine months. It got bad.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Wow.

Bryan Callen 48:28 So-

Joe Rogan 48:29 Somebody talk to Kim Kardashian. She's got that shit all over her face and legs.

Bryan Callen 48:31 Well, so they, they- So there's o- overwhelming evidence that a lot of these autoimmune diseases are t- s- are, uh, somehow a gut issue.

Joe Rogan 48:37 You know how Jordan Peterson cleaned his up?

Bryan Callen 48:39 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Carnivore diet.

Bryan Callen 48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 48:41 And they think the corni- carnivore diet might be, from what I've heard on your podcast and elsewhere, is that, I guess, you, you kind of give your gut bacteria a kind of a reset or, or a-

Joe Rogan 48:51 It's an elimination diet.

Bryan Callen 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 You take away virtually everything except one thing.

Bryan Callen 48:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Your body adjusts and y- your body just-... f- somehow or another, it cures itself of a lot of ailments-

Bryan Callen 49:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:03 ... with an elimination diet.

Bryan Callen 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:05 And-

Bryan Callen 49:05 Well, that's why, that's why intermittent fasting-

Joe Rogan 49:06 It's very controversial. Yeah, that is why inte... And fasting, in general-

Bryan Callen 49:09 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 49:09 ... is so beneficial. But-

Bryan Callen 49:11 It helps me.

Joe Rogan 49:11 But, uh, these carnivore diets, very fascinating, because people fucking swear by it, man. There's people that, they look great, their health is improved, they've lost weight and gained muscle-

Bryan Callen 49:22 But for how long though? That's my question.

Joe Rogan 49:22 ... and they have all this extra... That's the question.

Bryan Callen 49:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 That is the question.

Bryan Callen 49:25 "You need some fiber," I think.

Joe Rogan 49:26 I don't think so.

Bryan Callen 49:27 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 49:27 I don't think you really do. Most people that are taking it say they don't have any issues. Some people have issues in the beginning of it, but, man, people have been doing it for years. They've been doing, they've been on the carnivore diet for years. That Dr. Shaun Baker, he's been on it for years. And he, all he eats is fucking rib eyes. He just eats rib eyes and eggs.

Bryan Callen 49:45 Wow. But aren't, aren't the, uh... There are certain cultures that are 100% carnivore. Like, I think the Maasai traditionally were.

Joe Rogan 49:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bryan Callen 49:51 A lot of the, a lot of-

Joe Rogan 49:52 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 49:52 ... the Bantu belt in Africa were-

Joe Rogan 49:53 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 49:54 ... were-

Joe Rogan 49:54 And the Maasai look great.

Bryan Callen 49:55 Oh, yeah. There's-

Joe Rogan 49:56 I mean-

Bryan Callen 49:56 I've, I've seen them in person. I've been to Kenya twice.

Joe Rogan 49:59 I mean, they look like-

Bryan Callen 50:00 They are-

Joe Rogan 50:00 ... professional athletes. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 50:01 Beautiful people. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:03 I mean, the, the, in terms of-

Bryan Callen 50:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:04 ... the effect on their body, they don't look malnourished-

Bryan Callen 50:07 No.

Joe Rogan 50:07 ... nourished, rather.

Bryan Callen 50:08 They're six foot six. They're-

Joe Rogan 50:09 Exactly. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 50:09 You know?

Joe Rogan 50:10 Yeah. They're-

Bryan Callen 50:10 My friend, you know, my friend lived with them for... He's a triathlete and he lived with them for six weeks.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Wow.

Bryan Callen 50:16 And, uh, he goes, "Dude, you, you, you... I've been an athlete my whole life. I'm not an athlete. I tried to run with those guys, I tried to do stuff with those guys," and he's like, "The, the way they can, like, track shit..." He goes, "They can look at a blade of grass and the way it was bent, or, like, a certain area, and go, 'Oh, cuckoo...' or whatever the, the fucking..."

Joe Rogan 50:35 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 50:35 "... kudu ran through here,' or whatever the fuck it was." They, they could, they could tell what kind of animal came through.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Whoa.

Bryan Callen 50:40 And then they had this throwing contest, they were throwing shit. Not just spears, but they were throwing, like, this, whatever it was, and he said, "Dude, I could... (laughs) I was so embarrassed." He was embarrassed. He was just such a bitch.

Joe Rogan 50:51 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 50:52 He's like, "I have, I have Northern European bullshit genes."

Joe Rogan 50:56 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 50:56 "These motherfuckers from Kenya," you know? It was a whole different thing.

Joe Rogan 50:59 This, for sure, it's really interesting that the cradle of civilization, which is where all human beings emanated, from Africa, has the best genes.

Bryan Callen 51:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:10 They have the best athletic genes. When it comes to, like, physical performance-

Bryan Callen 51:14 Look at the-

Joe Rogan 51:15 ... there's, there's no denying-

Bryan Callen 51:16 The Biafra Coast, I mean, like-

Joe Rogan 51:17 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 51:17 ... Nigeria and, uh, that area. Th- f- those, uh, th- that's, uh, uh, Senegal.

Joe Rogan 51:22 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 51:22 Bring up Senegal. Bring up that, that, what's that wrestling they call? Uh, what the hell's-

Joe Rogan 51:28 Oh, that's... I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Bryan Callen 51:29 Fr- uh, Grillo on, on Fight World did, uh, a... He went to Senegal. He goes, "Dude, six foot six." I mean, they all look like, uh, l- like that's what the NFL's made up of. Th- then, and that guy who wrote The Sports Gene, Richard Bernstein, I think-

Joe Rogan 51:40 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 51:40 ... Sports Illustrated writer, said the fastest people in the world come from that part of the world, the Biafra Coast. That, that, that's where Jamaica, that's where the, the slave trade had gone, and, and they, they, they came from that area, so you can actually isolate the genes.

Joe Rogan 51:54 Let's-

Bryan Callen 51:54 There you go.

Joe Rogan 51:54 But what are they doing?

Bryan Callen 51:55 Lambda, lambda.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Oh, wow.

Bryan Callen 51:56 Oh, yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:56 This is interesting. They're, like, pawing at each other.

Bryan Callen 51:58 Oh, bro, and they're all giant.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Why do they, why are they pawing-

Bryan Callen 52:01 Athletic as fuck.

Joe Rogan 52:02 ... at each other?

Bryan Callen 52:02 Huh? Because they punch and they wrestle and they do high-level-

Joe Rogan 52:06 They punch?

Bryan Callen 52:06 ... Greco shit. Watch this.

Joe Rogan 52:07 This is punching too?

Bryan Callen 52:08 No, you'll see. Watch this high-level Greco shit. They throw.

Joe Rogan 52:11 Senegalese Wrestling in Dakar-

Bryan Callen 52:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:14 ... Championship.

Bryan Callen 52:14 Beautiful people.

Joe Rogan 52:15 It is, it's La Lutte is the, um, the title of the video.

Bryan Callen 52:21 Yup.

Joe Rogan 52:21 L-A space L-U-T-T-E.

Bryan Callen 52:24 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Senegalese Wrestling in Dakar-

Bryan Callen 52:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:27 ... Championship.

Bryan Callen 52:28 Yeah, they're working for position but... And y- if you see some of these guys, if you see what their bodies look like, it's so-

Joe Rogan 52:33 Good job.

Bryan Callen 52:33 ... it's so ridiculous. Like, like, they, they live on fish and rice. I mean, Frank went there, it's so poor, and he said, "You just see dudes where you're like, 'Well, if I had a body like that, I would never wear clothes.'"

Joe Rogan 52:43 (laughs) So I don't understand what they're doing here.

Bryan Callen 52:45 They're with their, they're just getting-

Joe Rogan 52:46 They need coaching.

Bryan Callen 52:47 ... they're just getting position, whoever gets thrown.

Joe Rogan 52:49 And they need, they need-

Bryan Callen 52:49 Th- these guys are rock stars in Senegal.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Okay. They need coaching.

Bryan Callen 52:52 No, no, you'll see. N- uh, they punch-

Joe Rogan 52:54 Let me tell you something, Cain Velasquez shoots a power double on these motherfuckers-

Bryan Callen 52:58 You, sir-

Joe Rogan 52:58 ... or they're on their back in the sand.

Bryan Callen 52:59 ... sir, sir, I'm gonna ask you to-

Joe Rogan 53:00 No, that's true.

Bryan Callen 53:01 Sir-

Narrator 53:02 Did that say five minutes? I skipped ahead.

Bryan Callen 53:03 It's fine.

Narrator 53:03 I skipped ahead five minutes.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Skip to-

Narrator 53:04 I skipped ahead five minutes, there's still five minutes.

Joe Rogan 53:05 'Cause they're waiting-

Bryan Callen 53:06 They're packing, they're playing patty-cakes, bro.

Narrator 53:08 ... to get position, hold.

Bryan Callen 53:08 It's like sumo, dude.

Joe Rogan 53:09 This is nonsense... Oh, exactly, it's nonsense.

Bryan Callen 53:11 No, he... Excuse me-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Oh, a little inside trip.

Bryan Callen 53:14 ... Tripps. There you go.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Oh, a punch. Oh, they're punching each other.

Bryan Callen 53:16 Yeah, dude, they don't-

Joe Rogan 53:16 Oh, shit.

Bryan Callen 53:16 Dude, this is serious.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Oh, shit, they're punching from the clinch.

Bryan Callen 53:20 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Wow.

Bryan Callen 53:21 This is, this is fighting, bro.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Oh, he has to adjust his headband.

Bryan Callen 53:23 Yeah, you gotta always adjust your headband. Time.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Oh, time? What are they-

Bryan Callen 53:27 Time.

Joe Rogan 53:27 ... what are they doing time?

Bryan Callen 53:28 Time.

Joe Rogan 53:28 That's it?

Bryan Callen 53:29 No.

Joe Rogan 53:29 That's the match?

Bryan Callen 53:30 No. Uh, maybe not.

Joe Rogan 53:31 I'm confused.

Bryan Callen 53:32 Hold. Keep going. Well, there's gotta be a better one.

Joe Rogan 53:34 It better be.

Bryan Callen 53:34 You gotta see the heavyweights, the heavyweights are-

Narrator 53:36 It's the championship.

Bryan Callen 53:37 They just-

Narrator 53:37 I figured it'd be like pretty good.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Maybe it just sucks and you're really into it because it's foreign.

Bryan Callen 53:40 Sir, sir.

Joe Rogan 53:40 That's possible too.

Bryan Callen 53:41 Listen, I'm telling you, I've seen some incredible Lambda.

Joe Rogan 53:44 (laughs) Those dudes are playing patty-cakes, bro.

Bryan Callen 53:45 Lambda. You will, you will respect Lambda.

Joe Rogan 53:46 Okay, let's see another one.

Bryan Callen 53:48 There you go.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Kickboxing World Champion. Oh, go to the far right one, that one. Okay, there, here we go. Now we'll see what's up. Kickboxing World Champion Challenges Senegalese Wrestlers, who is this Kickboxing World Champion?

Narrator 53:58 It's like a documentary.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Ah, it's different.

Bryan Callen 54:00 It's two.

Joe Rogan 54:00 I don't care, I wanna see who it is.

Narrator 54:01 It's not... Oh, it's not like: there's... I gotta find the fight.

Joe Rogan 54:04 Hmm. Oh, is it, like, an hour long or some shit?

Narrator 54:06 Yeah, there's like all sorts of stuff going on here.

Bryan Callen 54:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Who is this, uh, kickboxing wor-... Oh, he's like-

Bryan Callen 54:10 They're Sufi Muslim, so they're-

Joe Rogan 54:11 Hanging out with them.

Bryan Callen 54:12 ... very, very spiritual, kind of, like, mystical.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Who's the kickboxing world... Okay, uh, Orli... Uh, say his name, Brian.

Bryan Callen 54:20 Where?

Joe Rogan 54:20 Orline, Orlene Duarte.

Bryan Callen 54:21 Orline, Orlene Duarte.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Or- Or- Orly Duarte-

Bryan Callen 54:24 Duarte.

Joe Rogan 54:25 ... French multiple kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Shotokan karate champion.

Bryan Callen 54:29 Sounds like me.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Okay. So it looks like he's, uh, learning from these folks.

Narrator 54:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:32 He's n-... I don't think he's really challenging them. Okay, let's see what happens in the... There we go.

Bryan Callen 54:37 Look at, look at my man right there.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Instead of staying still-

Bryan Callen 54:41 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 54:41 What does it say?

Narrator 54:41 Covered in pain.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Instead of staying still...

Narrator 54:43 Oh, that's...

Joe Rogan 54:44 Just let it go, we'll see what happens here. Are they wrestling?

Bryan Callen 54:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Oh, so they're wrestling, but what-

Narrator 54:49 No, that was the end of the round.

Bryan Callen 54:50 It's all basically Greco.

Joe Rogan 54:50 But let me see that dude. Back up a little, I wanna see that dude, the kickboxing guy interact with him. There we go.

Narrator 54:55 Oh, here we go.

Bryan Callen 54:57 What are you gonna do in...

Joe Rogan 54:59 Okay, let's see.

Bryan Callen 55:00 Uh, throws.

Narrator 55:01 (French)

Joe Rogan 55:03 Okay, they're just teaching him how to throw. Oh, they're teaching him some technique.... that's kinda cool that they do it on the beach, though. That's smart.

Bryan Callen 55:11 Yeah, that's, that's a duck under right there, took his back.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Yeah. S-

Bryan Callen 55:14 Standard wrestling.

Joe Rogan 55:15 So they know some, they know some wrestling technique.

Bryan Callen 55:16 Wrestling is, uh, you know, you could make the argument that wrestling ... Would you say that wrestling is probably the best thing you could ever do, uh, coming up if you wanna get into MMA? Like to have that-

Joe Rogan 55:26 Yes.

Bryan Callen 55:26 ... base?

Joe Rogan 55:27 Yes. I think wrestling's the most important sport.

Bryan Callen 55:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:30 Because you see guys like, uh, Kamaru Usman is a perfect example-

Bryan Callen 55:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:33 ... who was just on the podcast. He's, uh, another example of awesome African genes. Um, but he's-

Bryan Callen 55:40 Nigeria.

Joe Rogan 55:40 ... he's, uh, an a- he's an excellent example of a guy who really didn't start striking at all until, like, 2009.

Bryan Callen 55:48 Psh.

Joe Rogan 55:49 I mean, really-

Bryan Callen 55:49 But he's been watching how your body moves forever.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Yeah. I mean, he's been watching and fucking around, and, but it doesn't matter. Like, the way he strikes now, you would think he's been doing it his whole life, and he's been only striking for 10 years. I think wrestlers are just tougher. You know, who's-

Bryan Callen 56:03 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 56:04 Uh, uh, Kamaru was saying that his knees were so fucked up before some of his fights that he had to walk on grass-

Bryan Callen 56:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:09 ... 'cause it hurt to walk on concrete.

Bryan Callen 56:11 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 56:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:13 Yeah. His daughter makes fun of him 'cause he goes down the stairs backwards.

Bryan Callen 56:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:16 'Cause he goes down the stairs backwards.

Bryan Callen 56:17 No.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Yes. Yes. She thinks it's hilarious. She's a tiny little girl.

Bryan Callen 56:20 By the way, he, when I, when I see him, like, you know, I saw him with Rashad Evans, and he looked as big as Rashad. I mean-

Joe Rogan 56:25 He's a big fella.

Bryan Callen 56:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 But here's the thing, he couldn't be a nicer guy.

Bryan Callen 56:29 He's great.

Joe Rogan 56:30 He couldn't be a nicer guy. And when you hear him talk on the podcast, he's, he's like, he's so almost soft-spoken. He's easygoing. You know, it's like it's weird that he's so good, but in the way he describes it, when he gets inside the cage, a f- a switch gets flipped.

Bryan Callen 56:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:47 And he just becomes a different person.

Bryan Callen 56:48 I felt like, uh, um, all due respect to the great Tyron Woodley, but he d- he, his body looked a little different, and he looked a little bit, um, I don't know. He didn't look as, he didn't look the way he normally does. It seemed to be some of it was off.

Joe Rogan 57:01 I heard that too. I didn't see it.

Bryan Callen 57:03 No.

Joe Rogan 57:03 I didn't see it, and I look for that shit.

Bryan Callen 57:05 His body looked like he'd been doing-

Joe Rogan 57:05 It's what he looks like.

Bryan Callen 57:06 ... a lot of cardio.

Joe Rogan 57:07 C- he, go to ... Ah, I don't know about that, man.

Bryan Callen 57:09 Maybe-

Joe Rogan 57:09 Go to, uh, Tyron Woodley versus Kamaru Usman. See if you could get, uh, uh, the video of the, the two of them right about to fight. Why are you, why are you shaking your head?

Narrator 57:17 It's so new, I don't know if we can.

Joe Rogan 57:20 So new?

Narrator 57:21 It just happened.

Joe Rogan 57:22 So what?

Narrator 57:23 It's not online yet.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Pff. That shit's online. Everything's online. You don't think it's online? How much you wanna bet?

Narrator 57:30 This is-

Joe Rogan 57:30 P-

Narrator 57:30 ... the line we cross right there, I guess. I guess.

Joe Rogan 57:32 But we don't have to show it. Like, people have to see it.

Narrator 57:34 I can show you guys it.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah. Show us. Just show us. People will find it. Go to ... You're gonna have to go to ESPN from now on, folks. All fights are on ESPN.

Narrator 57:42 Mm.

Joe Rogan 57:43 All pay-per-views, ESPN+. You have to get a subscription for ESPN+ if you wanna get a pay-per-view now.

Narrator 57:48 Is that true?

Joe Rogan 57:49 Yes.

Narrator 57:50 Hm.

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yes.

Bryan Callen 57:51 Strange.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Yeah, that's a good word. Strange is a good word.

Bryan Callen 57:54 'Cause you ... I, I love ... Uh, you know, uh, like, I have f- certain favorite fighters, of course. Uh, Donald Cerrone. I, I love Nick Diaz.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Sure, sure.

Bryan Callen 58:01 Always loved that motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Yeah, man.

Bryan Callen 58:02 Um, but, uh, uh, Jorge Masvidal. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:04 He's a beast.

Bryan Callen 58:05 I just love, I love, like, uh, just a true fighter. Like, there's-

Joe Rogan 58:09 He's an animal.

Narrator 58:10 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 58:10 And he's so good.

Joe Rogan 58:11 So good.

Bryan Callen 58:12 He's so fucking good.

Joe Rogan 58:13 He's so smart.

Bryan Callen 58:14 Like ... Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:15 He's clever.

Bryan Callen 58:15 He's so smart, man.

Joe Rogan 58:16 Clever, and-

Bryan Callen 58:16 Changes it up.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 58:17 Does things like you can't see what he's doing. It's subtle.

Joe Rogan 58:20 He lives for fighting too.

Bryan Callen 58:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:21 He really does.

Bryan Callen 58:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:22 He's a, a fucking smart man.

Bryan Callen 58:24 Like, there are men, and then there's Jorge, (laughs) Jorge Masvidal.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Ah.

Bryan Callen 58:28 Just a f-

Joe Rogan 58:28 For sure he's another level.

Bryan Callen 58:28 Beast.

Joe Rogan 58:29 For sure he's another level.

Bryan Callen 58:30 He's, he's ... I, I think he's such a contender for ... I mean, he just ...

Joe Rogan 58:35 Tune, he's 100% the contender.

Bryan Callen 58:36 And when was the last time they lost?

Joe Rogan 58:36 Knocked out Cowboy, and then takes two years out of the octagon.

Bryan Callen 58:40 Ah.

Joe Rogan 58:40 I don't know what. He must've had an injury or something.

Bryan Callen 58:41 And takes on Darren Till.

Joe Rogan 58:43 And then knocked out Darren Till. I mean, knocked him the fuck out.

Bryan Callen 58:47 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 58:47 I m- I mean, he hit him with that left hand a couple times earlier in the fight too. He was doing some sneaky shit.

Bryan Callen 58:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:53 He was switching stances.

Bryan Callen 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 He was switching stances and throwing that left hand.

Bryan Callen 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:58 And he was throwing the right hand, switching stances, throwing the left hand.

Bryan Callen 59:01 And I think he started read Till pulling back like that.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bryan Callen 59:04 And then fake, then he finally threw that right, and then boom with that left.

Joe Rogan 59:07 But he had, he had caught him with that left hand several times.

Bryan Callen 59:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Caught him in the first round, and then caught him in the second round. He's a, he's a bad motherfucker, man.

Bryan Callen 59:13 He really is, man.

Joe Rogan 59:14 He's coming on soon too. I'm gonna have him on with Joey Diaz. Masvidal's gonna come on with Joey Diaz and get a little cute and-

Bryan Callen 59:19 And, and, uh, also to be able to n- get knocked down like that-

Joe Rogan 59:22 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 59:22 ... by Darren Till, who hits like a ... You know.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 59:24 And come back, and just regain his composure. Never loses composure.

Joe Rogan 59:27 And knocked down with the first punch of the fight.

Bryan Callen 59:28 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 59:29 It was the first punch of the fight.

Bryan Callen 59:30 I know. And smiled when, yeah, it's all right. Here we go.

Joe Rogan 59:31 But did you see what he did the first move of the fight? He charges towards Till and tries to sidekick him-

Bryan Callen 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 ... in the thigh, and hits him in the dick.

Bryan Callen 59:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Like, right away.

Bryan Callen 59:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:40 First shot right to the sac.

Bryan Callen 59:42 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 59:43 But I love that guy. I love, I love watching him fight.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Well, he's very crafty. He's a real veteran. You know, he ... I remember-

Bryan Callen 59:49 I, I know.

Joe Rogan 59:49 ... him knocking out, uh, Yves Edwards in Bo Dog fight. Do you remember Bo Dog fight?

Bryan Callen 59:55 (laughs) No. No.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Bo Dog ... You know who Calvin Ayers is? He's some, uh, super millionaire Playboy character.

Bryan Callen 1:00:00 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Who, um, he came up with this Bo Dog fight thing. And it was back when you used to be able to gamble online, right? You were able to gamble online. Now you can't again, but you, you used to be able to gamble online.

Bryan Callen 1:00:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 And a lot of businesses were sort of constructed around the premise that online gambling was going to be legal. But through some bullshit finagling, the federal government put the kibosh on online gambling. They put the stop on this thriving business.

Bryan Callen 1:00:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 And a lot of these companies, like, uh, there was professional pool organizations, like the IPT that went under because they were counting on online gambling. But Bo Dog was counting on it too 'cause he had, like, this online gambling website. Well, because of the, the online gambling shit, he's like ... I don't wanna say this, I don't wanna be incorrect 'cause Dana White was saying that he's a fugitive and he wasn't even allowed in the country. But that's not too far removed from the truth.

Narrator 1:00:56 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 I don't think he's allowed back in the United States. I think he has-

Bryan Callen 1:01:01 He's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 ... to live in, like, you know-

Bryan Callen 1:01:02 Just for providing a service people wanted to be part of?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Well, for do-

Narrator 1:01:06 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 For being a part of online gambling when it was illegal. I think that's the issue.

Bryan Callen 1:01:10 Oh, no. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 It's fucking stupid.

Bryan Callen 1:01:13 I mean, people, you know, let people do what they will. I, I think you should have ... It'd be cool if you could bet on fights.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Tyron Woodley versus Kamaru Usman. So-

Bryan Callen 1:01:19 The fighters would get more money and everything.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 We'll see what, uh, Tyron ... Uzman looks jacked. Let's see what Tyron looks like when he gets into the cage. Da, da, da, da, da. See, to me, he looked exactly the same. Let's see what happens when he takes his shirt off. Hurry up, Tyron.

Bryan Callen 1:01:35 I mean, he's a beast.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Yeah. I just don't think that was it, man. I mean, you're also dealing with Tyron. He's 37 now. He is also in the middle of, uh ... He's in a transitionary stage in terms of his career.

Bryan Callen 1:01:51 See, he doesn't look, uh, quite as jacked.

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 Yeah. But he's, he's like-

Bryan Callen 1:01:54 And-

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 ... not ... I mean he's not-

Bryan Callen 1:01:56 Look, I mean, he's a beast. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm just-

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 He looks pretty goddamn good to me. I mean-

Bryan Callen 1:02:00 Yeah. He always does. But I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 He's not-

Bryan Callen 1:02:01 ... I just seen him-

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... filled with blood. You know what I'm saying?

Bryan Callen 1:02:03 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 He's not like, um-

Bryan Callen 1:02:04 That's what I mean.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Hmm. That's not bad.

Bryan Callen 1:02:07 That's what I mean.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Looks pretty good. Hard to say.

Bryan Callen 1:02:09 Great fighter, man. Yeah. That's why I know him.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Um, yeah. He's 36. I think he's 37 now. He, he's also, he's got a rap career now. He's, like, opening for Wiz Khalifa.

Bryan Callen 1:02:19 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does a bunch of shit for TMZ now.

Bryan Callen 1:02:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 You know, he's a busy man-

Bryan Callen 1:02:24 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 ... on top of the fighting.

Bryan Callen 1:02:26 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 He's smart.

Bryan Callen 1:02:26 Let him parlay that shit, get out of the fight camp.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Yes.

Bryan Callen 1:02:28 He has nothing to prove.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Well, he's one of those guys that can do that too. He's a great talker.

Bryan Callen 1:02:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 He's, uh, he's ... He would be a great commentator if he decided to get into commentary.

Bryan Callen 1:02:37 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 But he wants a rematch, you know. I, I don't think he's happy with his performance, and I think he thinks he coulda done better, but-

Bryan Callen 1:02:45 Usman just looked like a bigger, in a different weight class, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Well, Usman's definitely taller.

Bryan Callen 1:02:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 But I think even more importantly, Usman's gas tank is just fucking l- it's-

Bryan Callen 1:02:56 Well, that's what's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 It's gigantic.

Bryan Callen 1:02:57 And I feel like Tyron may have done a lot of cardio for that camp, 'cause he knew he was gonna have to deal with that, so he looked, he looked a little thinner than he normally does.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Well, Usman just pushes the pace.

Bryan Callen 1:03:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 He pushes that fucking pace.

Bryan Callen 1:03:08 That's such a weapon. Some guys can do that. That's such a weapon.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Well, he can do it for five rounds too, man. He doesn't get off the gas. We were ta-

Bryan Callen 1:03:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 He, he was pretty honest too. (laughs) He's a funny man when he was talking about the fourth round, 'cause in the fourth round, he had Tyron hurt and he poured the gas on, just poured the gas on, and Tyron managed to survive.

Bryan Callen 1:03:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 And, uh, when Tyron managed to survive, he was thinking to himself, "Oh, no. What have I done?" (laughs)

Bryan Callen 1:03:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 But he recovered quick.

Bryan Callen 1:03:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 You know?

Bryan Callen 1:03:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Yeah. He does look a lot bigger though, huh?

Bryan Callen 1:03:37 Yeah. He's just-

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Nice and large.

Bryan Callen 1:03:38 Skinny legs though, in comparison to Tyron.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 In comparison. You know who also has skinny legs?

Bryan Callen 1:03:42 Jon Jones, ladies and gentlemen.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Exactly.

Bryan Callen 1:03:44 Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Jon Jones. You look at Jon Jones' calves only.

Bryan Callen 1:03:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 If you only saw his calves-

Bryan Callen 1:03:48 So weird.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 ... and someone said to you, "All right. Is that guy an elite athlete?"

Bryan Callen 1:03:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 You'd be like, "Get the fuck outta here. That guy's an accountant."

Bryan Callen 1:03:54 Exactly. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 There's no way.

Bryan Callen 1:03:57 That, that ... There are a lot of guys like that where you just don't judge a book by its cover. You'll go to sleep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Yeah. But Jon Jones is the mo- ... Well, his upper body, obviously, is pretty strong.

Bryan Callen 1:04:04 Yeah. He's also 6'5". I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 1:04:06 ... that's a different thing.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Well, he's got a ph- um, phenomenal frame-

Bryan Callen 1:04:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 ... for, for combat sports-

Bryan Callen 1:04:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 ... 'cause he's got length, but he's also has muscle. I think that's the best frame. I, um, m- I pers- ... Like, this c- that's not real.

Bryan Callen 1:04:18 Uh, yeah.

Narrator 1:04:19 Yeah, why not?

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 That's not real. That's photoshopped, asshole.

Bryan Callen 1:04:21 That's real?

Narrator 1:04:21 I don't know why there's a big gap.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 That's photoshopped, trust me.

Bryan Callen 1:04:23 Those are his calves, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 No, they're not that small.

Bryan Callen 1:04:25 Yes, they are.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Dude, those ankles don't even fit into his shoes.

Bryan Callen 1:04:28 Dude, those are his ... He's got very skinny ... He has no calves.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 He does. But that last one was ... That's ridiculous.

Bryan Callen 1:04:32 But he's such a stud.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Like, yeah. That one up there is a perfect one, where he's throwing that kick right there.

Bryan Callen 1:04:36 How do you-

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 That's so you can take a, take a look at it.

Bryan Callen 1:04:37 How do you game plan for that c- terrible kick?

Narrator 1:04:39 That's photoshopped. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 No.

Narrator 1:04:41 They cut off the back of his leg there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 What are you talking about?

Bryan Callen 1:04:43 I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Th- that's his leg.

Narrator 1:04:45 No. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 That's his leg, bro.

Narrator 1:04:47 That's not a real leg. There's no muscle there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 You don't