Joe Rogan Experience #1269 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:01 – 1:47

   Money, minimalism, and what actually motivates Callen

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Five, four, three, two, one. (sniffs)

   2. NANarrator0:06

      Rolling.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      (sighs) Yes, and we're live. Joe Rogan, Callen. We are live on the internet.

   4. BCBryan Callen0:16

      In cashmere right now, everybody, in cashmere.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Uh, h- how come, how come you don't wear watches? You were just saying that.

   6. BCBryan Callen0:20

      I don't wear, I don't, I was thinking, because I was saying to Brennan, I go, "You could rob my house and there's nothing you'd find of value." Like, there's not a fucking thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Mm-hmm. Steal your car.

   8. BCBryan Callen0:29

      Oh, fuck, okay. Oh, no. I'm... (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      (laughs)

   10. BCBryan Callen0:32

       I don't give a shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       But do you w- wonder why you make money then?

   12. BCBryan Callen0:36

       Uh, yeah. Well, well, I was thinking about-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       You got a lot of money, right?

   14. BCBryan Callen0:38

       I do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       You could probably, like, not work for years.

   16. BCBryan Callen0:40

       I, yeah, I have enough m- I make money.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   18. BCBryan Callen0:42

       But, but, uh, I never th- I, I was thinking about that too. I can, I, genuinely, I did some soul searching about this because I watch how-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Mm-hmm.

   20. BCBryan Callen0:49

       ... motivated Schaub is. He's so buttoned down about his stuff. He's just always coming up with ideas and-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah.

   22. BCBryan Callen0:55

       I don't think I ever gave two fucks for real about fame or money. Uh, and I still don't. I have a very precarious relationship with that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   24. BCBryan Callen1:05

       What I love is coming up with new ideas and writing new standup and, you know, uh, like now, uh, n- having done the album now, I gotta come up with a whole new bag of tricks. That, that's a really fun time. I'm probably more happy or never as happy as when I'm on the road at some cafe somewhere coming up, solving problems, coming up with-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BCBryan Callen1:24

       ... new ideas and surprising myself. Everything else, you know, eh. I, I like hanging with my boys and laughing and-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Do you like having a nice house? Do you get any pleasure out of having a nice house?

   28. BCBryan Callen1:34

       Yeah, but, uh, I could live, uh, and have lived in rudimentary places and I have, I don't notice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       Yeah, I noticed that when I, when I first started making money. Uh, d- you get, everything gets normal.

   30. BCBryan Callen1:47

       Mm-hmm.

2. 1:47 – 3:48

   Views, French nostalgia, and the 'laughter in the walls' idea

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Like, this is your house. Wake up, it's normal. You know what doesn't change? What n- always makes you feel good is views.

   2. BCBryan Callen1:53

      I was about to say that. I can't believe-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      Yes.

   4. BCBryan Callen1:54

      ... you just said that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      Views-

   6. BCBryan Callen1:55

      A view is not underrated.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      No, views are, views are very underrated, I think.

   8. BCBryan Callen2:00

      That's so interesting you say that. I, I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      Yeah.

   10. BCBryan Callen2:02

       ... just said that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       You know who else said that to me?

   12. BCBryan Callen2:04

       Who?

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Ray Kurzweil.

   14. BCBryan Callen2:05

       Really?

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Yeah, he always lives in a place with a view.

   16. BCBryan Callen2:08

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       And when I interviewed him, he was on a very high floor in an apartment building in San Francisco. That's where he lives.

   18. BCBryan Callen2:16

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       And you out, you look out from his apartment and you see the city and you see the bay and it's beautiful.

   20. BCBryan Callen2:24

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       And-

   22. BCBryan Callen2:24

       Yeah, it's expansive.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yes. He said views are very important to him.

   24. BCBryan Callen2:28

       They are, but I have another weird thing that, like, if you put me in a French cafe, there's a, there's a F- I don't know if it's still around, but there was a F- I sound so French. Je suis tres francais.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       Ooh, ah. Do you speak?

   26. BCBryan Callen2:40

       And, uh, oui, je parle francais, comment. Uh, listen to my accent. Goddamn-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Did you ask for a ham sandwich?

   28. BCBryan Callen2:44

       I can fucking go.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Did you ask for ham?

   30. BCBryan Callen2:45

       (laughs) I said I speak French fluently.
3. 3:48 – 5:24

   Craftsmanship, bespoke gear, and being ready to run or fight

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      Mm-hmm. And do you-

   2. BCBryan Callen3:49

      I like things that last. I like marble and, and heavy wood, like, old railroad tracks.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      Ooh, reclaimed wood.

   4. BCBryan Callen3:58

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      Yeah, like this table.

   6. BCBryan Callen4:00

      Yeah, good leather.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      This table's reclaimed wood.

   8. BCBryan Callen4:01

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      Yeah, good for you.

   10. BCBryan Callen4:02

       And a man with a mustache. What?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Handmade things.

   12. BCBryan Callen4:05

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       You like things handmade.

   14. BCBryan Callen4:08

       I do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       Craftsmanship.

   16. BCBryan Callen4:09

       Like, like, like, i- if I had m- a l- if I wanted to, I would maybe go and have my shoes made in London, I'd have bespoke shoes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Ooh, bespoke.

   18. BCBryan Callen4:18

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       I love that when they use that.

   20. BCBryan Callen4:20

       I know. I'd have bespoke shoes. The problem with jewelry, watches, nice shoes and everything is I ha- I have to maintain them. And I, I, I'd rather have-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Hmm. You don't-

   22. BCBryan Callen4:30

       I, I also think-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       ... really have to maintain watches. Just put them on.

   24. BCBryan Callen4:33

       That's right, but I have a weird... I have another weird thing which I think if I have leather under my feet-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BCBryan Callen4:38

       ... I don't feel as secure and I don't feel like I can run or fight. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Oh, like leather soles? Well, you can't-

   28. BCBryan Callen4:43

       I need some, I need some rubber, bro. I gotta-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Well, yeah, you should have some tread.

   30. BCBryan Callen4:46

       Yeah.
4. 5:24 – 9:01

   Doom thoughts: home invasion fears to asteroid impacts and ancient catastrophes

   1. BCBryan Callen5:24

      Well, the, the fucked up thing is that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:26

      (laughs)

   3. BCBryan Callen5:26

      ... you know, I am always getting ready for home invasion or a situation-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      Mm-hmm. Smart.

   5. BCBryan Callen5:32

      You know, it might be.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:33

      You should be.

   7. BCBryan Callen5:33

      The problem is that, that there are just too many things to worry about. I could also, I also have to worry about fucking ticks and things that I can't see, like flesh eating bacteria and MRSA.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      You know what I worry about more than anything, honestly?

   9. BCBryan Callen5:44

      What?

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Asteroidal impacts.

   11. BCBryan Callen5:45

       You do?

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Yep.

   13. BCBryan Callen5:46

       (gasps) Really?

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       Yeah, because they can come and then wipe out civilization almost instantaneously. There was something I just retweeted, uh, yesterday that Graham Hancock put up. They found a new impact site at 12,500 years ago that-

   15. BCBryan Callen5:59

       Saw it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       ... that coincides with the end of the Ice Age, so-

   17. BCBryan Callen6:02

       Wow.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       ... this is one of the things that he and Randall Carlson have been saying ad nauseam. And now, uh, Bryan, or Robert Schoch rather, who's a professor at Boston University.

   19. NANarrator6:13

       Did you hear about the, uh...

   20. BCBryan Callen6:14

       ... explosion, the meteor that exploded-

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       Yes.

   22. BCBryan Callen6:16

       ... in, uh, like December?

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yes.

   24. BCBryan Callen6:18

       I thought that's what you were gonna bring up.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       December, yeah, this meteor that exploded in December had something like 50 times the amount of-

   26. BCBryan Callen6:22

       Was that on Earth, though?

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       ... power in the atmosphere.

   28. BCBryan Callen6:25

       Oh, okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Oh, 10.

   30. BCBryan Callen6:26

       10 times?
5. 9:01 – 12:27

   Skepticism, existentialism, and coping with meaninglessness

   1. BCBryan Callen9:01

      I listened to him debate that other guy that you had on the podcast. It was great.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      Yeah. Yeah, well, it was Michael Shermer, who's act- actually a friend of mine who I like.

   3. BCBryan Callen9:09

      Yeah, uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:09

      But he's, he's a skeptic. And there's an issue with skeptics in that the issue is not that it's not good to be skeptical. It's very good to be skeptical. The problem is when you approach things as a skeptic, you're not approaching them as a scientist. And I'm not saying that Michael does this, but that I think he did in that debate, and I think it was a mistake. People, they approach these things looking to debunk them rather than objectively assessing all the possible evidence.

   5. BCBryan Callen9:35

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:36

      And so because of that, you miss out on big thing, like, this is evidence. This is not, like, Bigfoot tracks or some shit like that. This is fucking real evidence-

   7. BCBryan Callen9:45

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      ... of a crater that they have dated back to 12,500 years ago.

   9. BCBryan Callen9:49

      Yeah, but people have a hard time believing in doomsday scenarios.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       Yeah.

   11. BCBryan Callen9:54

       Because it kind of, like, y- you know, when you talk about taking the entire chess board and throw it in the air-

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Yeah.

   13. BCBryan Callen10:00

       ... and you have evidence for it, look at global warming and stuff like that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       Sure.

   15. BCBryan Callen10:04

       There, there is a, I really believe that people have, uh, whether it's latent or not, a religious notion that we are ultimately sacred and that God would never do something that terrible to us en masse.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       Mm-hmm.

   17. BCBryan Callen10:18

       I really f- I really believe that. Like, humanity itself to go away? No, because that would make no sense. We're, we're moving in a certain direction. We're making progress. There's, there's this sort of neural net. It's becoming easier to understand what it is to be each other. Uh, you know, uh, and- and th- that's kind of what virtual reality and being able to download other people's brains will eventually do.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah.

   19. BCBryan Callen10:43

       That probably brings us into one, I guess, universal consciousness. I mean, you can go on and on. So the idea that that would be all ob- obliterated before it happens, before the singularity, for example, happens is too much to bear. It would make-

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       Yeah.

   21. BCBryan Callen10:56

       ... no sense for us, because we have this narrative that we all kind of adhere to.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       Yeah.

   23. BCBryan Callen11:01

       It's very easy to do that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       Well, it's a little psychological sort of, sort of, I wanna say, I wanna say a trick that we play on ourselves, but it's really a defense mechanism.

   25. BCBryan Callen11:12

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       It's a little trick that we try to pretend that we're important. Goddamn it, just look up at the sky, and y- although you can't see it, there are stars that are being swallowed up by-

   27. BCBryan Callen11:24

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       ... black holes.

   29. BCBryan Callen11:25

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Like, if the universe doesn't give a fuck about something that's a million times bigger than the Earth-
6. 12:27 – 14:04

   Reincarnation, mistakes, and the performer’s risk-taking life

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      You know one, uh, another thing that's fucked with me? The concept of reincarnation. Not the concept of reincarcion- incarnation, like, coming back as a butterfly or something like that.

   2. BCBryan Callen12:35

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:35

      But the concept of living your life-... over and over and over again until you get it right.

   4. BCBryan Callen12:42

      Oh, Jesus.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      Now, here's what fucks with me. I am having a great time.

   6. BCBryan Callen12:48

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:49

      So, (laughs) why wouldn't I wanna do this again?

   8. BCBryan Callen12:51

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:52

      I am having a great time. I have great friends-

   10. BCBryan Callen12:53

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       ... like you and young Jamie over there, and, and I have, I love my family. I love what I do for a living. I love... Our circle of friends is amazing.

   12. BCBryan Callen13:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:03

       I mean, we are, for sure, some of the luckiest men I have ever met in my life.

   14. BCBryan Callen13:08

       There's no doubt.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:09

       There's no doubt.

   16. BCBryan Callen13:10

       There is no doubt.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       We have fun, man.

   18. BCBryan Callen13:11

       Dude, I was thinking about all the mistakes I've made, but then I went, "Wait a minute, but I'm here."

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       (laughs)

   20. BCBryan Callen13:15

       Like, at 52, I'm here. Like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       I've made a fuckload of mistakes.

   22. BCBryan Callen13:18

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       We all have.

   24. BCBryan Callen13:19

       But look where we are.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       But we're also risk-takers.

   26. BCBryan Callen13:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       I mean, we're professional performers. We went into a job that has zero job security.

   28. BCBryan Callen13:27

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Fucking head first, no safety net, dove right in. You know, we, we make mistakes. We, we make mistakes with our, our job. We make mistakes with our personal life. We make mistake with our... There's just no, y- y- you're, you're a human.

   30. BCBryan Callen13:41

       There's no way to avoid it.
7. 14:04 – 18:43

   Grinding, creating as critique, and promoting 'Complicated Apes'

   1. BCBryan Callen14:04

      So, that's kinda what I did. When I saw acting, when I saw what just being an actor was, and I saw how precarious it was-

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:11

      Mm.

   3. BCBryan Callen14:11

      ... and I saw where the business was moving with the, like, new media and stuff, and I was like, "This doesn't make..." I, then I watched you doing your podcast, and you would say start a pod. So, guess what? I started a podcast, didn't go well. Started another podcast, didn't make money. Then started a third podcast with Brendan Schaub and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, the same thing with standup. You just keep doing it-

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:31

      Yeah.

   5. BCBryan Callen14:31

      ... you keep following the models that work, 'cause I was doing the wrong thing over here, and next thing you know, you know, you've got to-

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:37

      You gotta grind.

   7. BCBryan Callen14:38

      You gotta grind.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      That's where, that's where a lot of comics fuck up.

   9. BCBryan Callen14:40

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       Like, they, they do it, like, once a week, and then they take a few weeks off-

   11. BCBryan Callen14:44

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:44

       ... and then they come back and do it again. And they're like, "How do you do it all the time?" I'm like, "'Cause I know how to grind. I'm a grinder."

   13. BCBryan Callen14:50

       It's not just grind. Like, for me, the idea is original self-expression. I'm interested in trying to take the way I think. So, a lot of things scare me and they make me angry, and I don't know how to, I don't, how to react. But, you know, instead of fretting about it, I create. You know, Michelangelo, my favorite quote, "Criticize by creating."

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:09

       Ooh.

   15. BCBryan Callen15:09

       It's a great fucking quote. He said that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       Well, that's beautiful.

   17. BCBryan Callen15:11

       Yeah, he said that. He said, "Criticize by creating." I always think about that because that's kind of... Uh, when I look at my body of work and the progression of my, my specials, for example, like Man Class is a little too, you know, just about being funny and a silly goose, then Never Grow Up, a little more personal about my dad. But then, this last one, Complicated Apes, where's my camera?

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Wait, is that out right now?

   19. BCBryan Callen15:33

       It's out right now.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Oh, my God. Is this the number one iTunes comedy album-

   21. BCBryan Callen15:36

       Dude, do, do we have to rank things?

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       ... right now in the world?

   23. BCBryan Callen15:38

       Apparently, it's crushing anywhere you can-

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       But I heard it's number one in the world.

   25. BCBryan Callen15:41

       Dude, where you can rent and buy, I guess Complicated Apes is doing very well.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       That's amazing.

   27. BCBryan Callen15:44

       If you wanna get it and laugh hard and, and learn...

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       I feel like we should celebrate-

   29. BCBryan Callen15:47

       Listen, this is not about-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       ... the show goes on with round one.
8. 18:43 – 36:21

   Culture wars: identity, trans sports, de-platforming, and protected-class conflicts

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:43

      Well, here's what's interesting. And there's...... a lot of people that think that... Look, (sighs) I am hundred percent in support of people being trans, don't get me wrong. If you want, I'm in support, I'm in support of you being whatever you wanna be. I'm, I'm a, a person who believes in free will, or, or your, your ability to freely express yourself, I should say. But if you work for a corporation, you work for a tech corporation, s- especially a particularly progressive tech corporation, you run into some real problems. And I was talking to a guy who was telling me, the you don't know the half of it, that we are dealing with a guy who, uh, he identifies as an animal, and that he i- he believes that he's kin, like he's a fox kin or a dog kin or something like that.

   2. BCBryan Callen19:31

      Hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      And he wants a litter box in his office.

   4. BCBryan Callen19:33

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:34

      This guy wants to be able to shat-

   6. BCBryan Callen19:36

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:36

      ... sh- in his fucking office-

   8. BCBryan Callen19:38

      Now, I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:38

      ... into a, a-

   10. BCBryan Callen19:38

       Now-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       ... box of-

   12. BCBryan Callen19:40

       Now, now, I, I appreciate that. Now, I wanna say this about him. And I'm not a psychiatrist, and I have no right to really diagnose, but he's fucking crazy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       Yeah, he is crazy.

   14. BCBryan Callen19:49

       Right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       But here's the thing. Like, you're letting people be crazy.

   16. BCBryan Callen19:53

       Correct.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Like, when you're letting a 6'4" man compete in women's weightlifting-

   18. BCBryan Callen19:59

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       ... because he's decided that he's a woman now.

   20. BCBryan Callen20:01

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       And, and now he-

   22. BCBryan Callen20:02

       That's bullshit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       ... he's winning and he's wearing makeup and he looks like a gorilla, and he's on stage lifting his arms up, "Yay, diversity"-

   24. BCBryan Callen20:09

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       ... like, you're, you're stealing from women.

   26. BCBryan Callen20:11

       You're stealing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:11

       You're stealing victory.

   28. BCBryan Callen20:12

       Yeah, you're cheating.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       You're cheating.

   30. BCBryan Callen20:14

       Yeah.
9. 36:21 – 43:39

   Modern medicine vs 'Bad Pharma': vaccines, antibiotics, staph/MRSA horror stories

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:21

      Does he have a good diet?

   2. BCBryan Callen36:22

      Yeah. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:23

      Now, when he was on the antibiotics, did they give him probiotics as well?

   4. BCBryan Callen36:27

      ... I, he does probiotics. He brought his body right back. I mean, he is just a beast. He, he's never stopped working out, he's never stopped eating really well. And, you know-

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:35

      Do they know what caused his, uh, antibiotic reaction that made him colorblind? Is there a mechanism-

   6. BCBryan Callen36:40

      That apparently is a side effect when you take nine months of a very strong cocktail of antibiotics.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:46

      Ooh.

   8. BCBryan Callen36:46

      You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:47

      And that cured it, though? Nine months later-

   10. BCBryan Callen36:49

       That cured it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       ... it cured it?

   12. BCBryan Callen36:49

       Yeah, thank God.

   13. NANarrator36:50

       Wow.

   14. BCBryan Callen36:50

       Thank God.

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       There's no way it cures it on its own?

   16. BCBryan Callen36:52

       Well, it, back in the day, you had consumption, and almost... You died eventually.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       Ooh.

   18. BCBryan Callen36:56

       But some people would go up into the mountains, and it would, it would, uh, tuberculosis can r- go into remission and not come out again.

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:04

       When you go to the mountains?

   20. BCBryan Callen37:05

       The w- the, the idea was, "We'll go to the mountains and breathe fresh air," and sometimes you could go into remission with antiem- uh, with, uh, tuberculosis. But tuberculosis was almost always a death sentence. In Long Day's Journey Into Night, the g- great play and Nobel Prize winner Eugene O'Neill, his brother had it, and, uh, he knew his brother was gonna die. And, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:24

       (sighs)

   22. BCBryan Callen37:24

       ... he just watched his brother deteriorate. It was a, like, it was like having AIDS or something. You would cough, you'd spit up blood, and then, uh, you know... I think Chopin, the great piano player, died of it. This is why when people talk about, you know, w- when they're a- they're anti-vaccine or they're anti, uh, antibiotics or Western medicine, just read. Uh, uh, forget ev- all the science. Don't, don't worry about Big Pharma. Just pick up a history book or a piece of literature, anything that's written before 1950, which most people don't, 1960, any classic book. And the b- one of the bl- central themes is, is the fact that people, especially children, died. Lincoln lost, what, three of his children?

   23. JRJoe Rogan38:03

       Yeah.

   24. BCBryan Callen38:03

       Three, two, "fever," quote, unquote. Usually probably diphtheria or something that came rolling through. Smallpox was a fucking... It was the biggest killer forever.

   25. JRJoe Rogan38:13

       How about the Spanish Flu of 1918? Killed-

   26. BCBryan Callen38:15

       People died.

   27. JRJoe Rogan38:16

       ... millions-

   28. BCBryan Callen38:17

       20, 20 million people.

   29. JRJoe Rogan38:17

       ... millions and billions of people.

   30. BCBryan Callen38:18

       Yeah. So if you just d- forget, for- I mean, just pick up a history book, or pick up s-
10. 43:39 – 51:28

    Sleep, recovery tools, supplements, fasting, psoriasis, and carnivore debates

    1. BCBryan Callen43:39

       That's why I don't fuck around with my sleep anymore. I read that book, uh, Why We Sleep.

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:43

       Matthew Walker?

    3. BCBryan Callen43:43

       (puffs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:44

       He's amazing.

    5. BCBryan Callen43:44

       I, I, I, I just, I don't fuck around with my sleep anymore.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:46

       You should not. You should not. Sleep is critical.

    7. BCBryan Callen43:50

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:51

       Yeah. It's, um... You know what is, is amazing for sleep, man? You know what you should get in your place? Get yourself a sauna.

    9. BCBryan Callen43:57

       Really?

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:57

        Oh, yeah.

    11. BCBryan Callen43:59

        Really?

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:59

        Oh, yeah. You do 20 minutes-

    13. BCBryan Callen44:01

        I take cold showers.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        ... in the sauna, that's for fucking clowns.

    15. BCBryan Callen44:05

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:05

        You wear a rubber nose when you do it. (laughs)

    17. BCBryan Callen44:07

        Yeah. Hey, man. Hey, man.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        I take cold showers after yoga.

    19. BCBryan Callen44:10

        You wear a rubber nose.

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        (laughs)

    21. BCBryan Callen44:12

        You fucking clown.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        Man, Joe's being mean to me, called me a clown.

    23. BCBryan Callen44:15

        Fucking-

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:15

        He's a fucking clown.

    25. BCBryan Callen44:17

        Fucking clown.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:18

        Uh-

    27. BCBryan Callen44:18

        I'm trying to create shock proteins. I don't know-

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:21

        Yeah.

    29. BCBryan Callen44:21

        ... what the fuck those are.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:21

        You gotta g- get really cold. You should have an ice bath if you wanna do that, but-
11. 51:28 – 1:19:55

    Combat sports tour: Senegalese wrestling, MMA fundamentals, and UFC matchmaking

    1. JRJoe Rogan51:28

       Oh, that's... I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

    2. BCBryan Callen51:29

       Fr- uh, Grillo on, on Fight World did, uh, a... He went to Senegal. He goes, "Dude, six foot six." I mean, they all look like, uh, l- like that's what the NFL's made up of. Th- then, and that guy who wrote The Sports Gene, Richard Bernstein, I think-

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       Mm-hmm.

    4. BCBryan Callen51:40

       ... Sports Illustrated writer, said the fastest people in the world come from that part of the world, the Biafra Coast. That, that, that's where Jamaica, that's where the, the slave trade had gone, and, and they, they, they came from that area, so you can actually isolate the genes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:54

       Let's-

    6. BCBryan Callen51:54

       There you go.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:54

       But what are they doing?

    8. BCBryan Callen51:55

       Lambda, lambda.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:55

       Oh, wow.

    10. BCBryan Callen51:56

        Oh, yeah, dude.

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:56

        This is interesting. They're, like, pawing at each other.

    12. BCBryan Callen51:58

        Oh, bro, and they're all giant.

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:00

        Why do they, why are they pawing-

    14. BCBryan Callen52:01

        Athletic as fuck.

    15. JRJoe Rogan52:02

        ... at each other?

    16. BCBryan Callen52:02

        Huh? Because they punch and they wrestle and they do high-level-

    17. JRJoe Rogan52:06

        They punch?

    18. BCBryan Callen52:06

        ... Greco shit. Watch this.

    19. JRJoe Rogan52:07

        This is punching too?

    20. BCBryan Callen52:08

        No, you'll see. Watch this high-level Greco shit. They throw.

    21. JRJoe Rogan52:11

        Senegalese Wrestling in Dakar-

    22. BCBryan Callen52:14

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan52:14

        ... Championship.

    24. BCBryan Callen52:14

        Beautiful people.

    25. JRJoe Rogan52:15

        It is, it's La Lutte is the, um, the title of the video.

    26. BCBryan Callen52:21

        Yup.

    27. JRJoe Rogan52:21

        L-A space L-U-T-T-E.

    28. BCBryan Callen52:24

        Uh-huh.

    29. JRJoe Rogan52:24

        Senegalese Wrestling in Dakar-

    30. BCBryan Callen52:27

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:48:10