Joe Rogan Experience #1275 - Luis J. Gomez

Luis J. Gomez 0:00 ... all this shit.

Joe Rogan 0:02 Four, three, two, one. (sniffs) Pow, Luis Gomez, we are live. We are live, connected through the interwebs, and through a network of comedians, Luis Gomez.

Luis J. Gomez 0:18 Luis J. Gomez.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Luis J. Gomez. What, why do you-

Luis J. Gomez 0:20 Don't forget the J.

Joe Rogan 0:20 ... like the J, why do you like the J?

Luis J. Gomez 0:22 'Cause go Google Luis Gomez and watch how many baseball players-

Joe Rogan 0:25 Oh, right, right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 0:26 ... criminals, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:28 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 0:28 ... fucking just-

Joe Rogan 0:29 That's a problem, making people use the J. That's very pretentious for a guy like you.

Luis J. Gomez 0:33 Yeah, I agree. No, no, no, it is, I understand.

Joe Rogan 0:35 You have to.

Luis J. Gomez 0:35 But it's almost like, well, m- it's almost ironic-

Joe Rogan 0:38 Why don't you give him a nickname?

Luis J. Gomez 0:38 ... because I'm such a piece of garbage, so I would have, like, a middle initial, like, um-

Joe Rogan 0:42 Right, like you're like a, a luminary.

Luis J. Gomez 0:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Some important (laughs) some important intellectual.

Luis J. Gomez 0:48 Yeah. It is.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 0:49 Uh, but yeah, it does, it separates me as well. But I almost feel like I, I, I've made it a joke at this point to correct everyone that doesn't say the J. So if I didn't correct you-

Joe Rogan 0:57 Oh, I see.

Luis J. Gomez 0:57 ... I wouldn't be being true to myself.

Joe Rogan 0:59 I understand. So, Luis J. Gomez-

Luis J. Gomez 1:01 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:01 ... I feel like, um, you know, I've- we've talked about this ad nauseam on the podcast, but I think this is one of the most unique times for, uh, like, networks of comedians, that we're all connected together-

Luis J. Gomez 1:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12 ... in a way that we were n- we weren't really before. It was always, like, East Coast versus West Coast for some stupid fucking reason. There was always this debate where the best comics are from and the style of comedy. But that shit seems to be out the window.

Luis J. Gomez 1:24 Yeah, the internet.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 1:25 You know, people- the best comics I- Nate Bargatze lives in fucking Tennessee.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Who's that?

Luis J. Gomez 1:29 He's a great comic.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Is he?

Luis J. Gomez 1:30 Squeaky clean, squeaky clean, my son's godfather.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Damn.

Luis J. Gomez 1:32 Just did a Netflix special. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:34 How do you spell his last name? Oh, f-

Luis J. Gomez 1:35 B-A-R-G-A-T-Z-E. Brilliant comic.

Joe Rogan 1:39 G-M-A-

Luis J. Gomez 1:40 T-Z-E.

Joe Rogan 1:40 ... T-Z-E.

Luis J. Gomez 1:41 But he grew up in Tennessee and he was like, "Dude, I don't wanna live in New York or LA."

Joe Rogan 1:45 Good for him, he's smart.

Luis J. Gomez 1:45 "I wanna buy a big house for $300,000."

Joe Rogan 1:48 Country fella.

Luis J. Gomez 1:48 "A fucking mansion."

Joe Rogan 1:49 Get ready for the zombies.

Luis J. Gomez 1:50 Yeah, that's it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yeah, the zombies, you wanna live in that house like that old dude and his daughter did.

Luis J. Gomez 1:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56 You know? Gonna live out there and have a fucking perimeter protected.

Luis J. Gomez 1:59 Yeah. Guys like Stanhope, he hasn't been in LA or-

Joe Rogan 2:02 He's been in Bisbee for 12 years now, that psychopath.

Luis J. Gomez 2:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05 RIP to Stanhope's dog. Stanhope buried his dog yesterday, did a big thing on social media about it. Very touching, very touching. They had to put their dog down.

Luis J. Gomez 2:14 Sad.

Joe Rogan 2:15 I went through that last year with two dogs. They, they both couldn't walk anymore. I mean, I, I held on as long as I can, but I s- I had to carry my dog in and out of the house. I had to carry him to eat, I had to carry him outside to go, and he was 140 pounds.

Luis J. Gomez 2:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:28 It was just, it was awful.

Luis J. Gomez 2:29 Well, how, why couldn't they walk?

Joe Rogan 2:31 He was old, man.

Luis J. Gomez 2:31 Do jujitsu with them?

Joe Rogan 2:32 Um, he's, um-

Luis J. Gomez 2:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:32 ... I do a lot of leg locks. I feel like the dog should have some good defense.

Luis J. Gomez 2:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:36 If he wants to protect my fucking house. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 2:38 Knock their fucking legs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:40 Oh, God. Um, no, he's just a big dog that are r- that's really old. He was 13, which is super old for a Mastiff. Which really-

Luis J. Gomez 2:47 Oh, yeah, those are huge dogs.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Really old for a Mastiff. He's a, what's called a Regency Mastiff, which is, he was part Neapolitan Mastiff and part pit bull. But the guy who, uh, my friend Joe B- who raised them and bred them, he bred out all of the animal aggression. So he wouldn't let any dogs breed if they were aggressive towards people or they're aggressive towards other dogs. So what you get is this super chill, massive dog.

Luis J. Gomez 3:11 Oh, wow. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Who's a- who's athletic. Like, they were small for a, like, a Mastiff is like, they can go like 200 plus pounds. But those dogs are not very athletic, they don't move very good.

Luis J. Gomez 3:20 Right, but this one was a mix, so it had-

Joe Rogan 3:21 These, these are like 140, they're like a fucking running back.

Luis J. Gomez 3:25 I got a kid, so I have, I have a hard time bringing beasts into my home that can kill-

Joe Rogan 3:32 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 3:32 ... a child.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Very wise, very wise.

Luis J. Gomez 3:33 It's a weird, it's a, you, and you, and it's sad, and I'm not one of these anti-pit bull people. But I do understand when you see, you know, you see irresponsible owners, it's not the dog, you have a, you have an asshole. Some fucking kid who doesn't-

Joe Rogan 3:45 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 3:45 ... know how to train a pit bull the proper way, an animal that can literally kill somebody.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 3:50 Um, and you, you know, you see them, you know, they maul children and they, you know, and it's a sad, it's such a sad thing. So I get terrified any time I see my daug- my kid, I walk through the streets of New York City with him, and I live in Harlem, so it's, you know, every other block is like the hood, and then it's nice-

Joe Rogan 4:04 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 4:04 ... and then it's the hood. And, uh, he wants to go-

Joe Rogan 4:06 New York is so weird like that.

Luis J. Gomez 4:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 They figure out how to do that.

Luis J. Gomez 4:09 Yeah, it's, you know, well, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 4:11 That's what they call gentrification, right?

Luis J. Gomez 4:13 Sort of. I mean, I guess it's as more of a racially, uh, they're talking with gentrification, sort of. I, I, I think it's like a class thing. 'Cause I grew up, uh, in a really shitty, I grew up in the suburbs but very poor, welfare, Section 8. And kids in the city, though, when they grow up poor, they're like, on the next block there's like a millionaire.

Joe Rogan 4:30 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 4:30 Or they're on the subway and there's some fucking dude who's going to Wall Street and-

Joe Rogan 4:33 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 4:33 ... you know, he's, he, they're just constantly around an energy of success, which is a very different thing when you go to the suburbs or like rural areas.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 4:40 It's a depressing, nobody's striving to even get out, really.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Right. No, that's a very good point. Right? Like, you get to be truly integrated in New York City, which, where LA is missing that. LA's missing that in a big way. LA, you have rich people and poor people, you know, they're separated by cars.

Luis J. Gomez 4:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:58 They're separated by neighborhoods.

Luis J. Gomez 4:59 You can't hang out, well, you have to be in that social circle.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 5:03 You have to, 'cause people always debate like, "Oh, who has got, who's got hotter chicks in New York or LA?" And the answer is LA. But in New York, you're gonna see them. In New York, like, you walk down the street, me and Ari, uh, did, uh, he does a podcast every year called Happy Booby Day. And we did it last year-

Joe Rogan 5:17 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 5:17 ... with the Legion of Skanks, and all it is, Happy Booby Day, it's, today, to be honest with you, it's the fir- it's the, the first like days of spring.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 5:25 Usually end of March, beginning of April, and it's the first day that girls wear like miniskirts out and their tits are just hanging out. And, um, we literally just walk through the streets following hot chicks, comment- it was the most, I mean, you literally, I don't even know, I don't even know how we have careers at all. Like, we did this a year ago.

Joe Rogan 5:40 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 5:40 This isn't fucking 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 5:42 (sighs) Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 5:43 But, uh, yeah, you, but you get to see them, you get to interact with them. In LA, you're not interacting with a crazy hot model unless you know the right people.

Joe Rogan 5:50 You'd have to be standing somewhere where they go. Right?

Luis J. Gomez 5:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:53 'Cause like, in LA, if you wanted to meet-You'd have to run a casting agency. That's what you'd have to do.

Luis J. Gomez 5:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:58 That's why those guys started that shit.

Luis J. Gomez 6:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:00 That's why they did that. How many people went into the business just so they'd meet girls?

Luis J. Gomez 6:04 Just to get pussy.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Like, 30% of them?

Luis J. Gomez 6:06 That whole Mötley Crüe movie, they s- they're unapologetic about it.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 6:10 They're unapologetic. They're like, uh, "Yeah, we, we did this..." Mick Mars was like, "If it wasn't for groupies..." This was in a real interview. "If it wasn't for groupies, I would- wouldn't even become a musician."

Joe Rogan 6:20 Yeah, I mean, people would criticize that, like, "Oh, that's so gross. They should be a real artist." Listen. That is a crazy life. You do not understand. No one understands. I don't understand. There's no fucking- like, we had David Lee Roth in here a couple weeks ago.

Luis J. Gomez 6:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:33 There is no fucking way any of us will ever understand what it was like to be David Lee Roth. It is not humanly possible.

Luis J. Gomez 6:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:40 He- it is not po- and to be- to come out the other end as fucking cool as that guy is? Like, how the hell did that happen?

Luis J. Gomez 6:46 To not be- I feel like I'm dying, and I don't party at all, really. Like, I drink a little bit, and I feel like every day I'm like, "Is that my liver?"

Joe Rogan 6:52 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 6:52 I don't even know where my liver is on my body. I swear to God. I couldn't point to my liver on my body.

Joe Rogan 6:55 Okay, if you're standing in orthodox stance and someone hits you with a left hook to the body, that's where your liver is.

Luis J. Gomez 7:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:00 That's why guys drop.

Luis J. Gomez 7:02 Right here?

Joe Rogan 7:02 Yep.

Luis J. Gomez 7:03 Boom.

Joe Rogan 7:03 It's right under your ribs. It's like right here.

Luis J. Gomez 7:04 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:05 So when you punch somebody in the liver, you're n- a lot of guys mistakenly go below the ribs.

Luis J. Gomez 7:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 You'd wanna go right where the floating rib actually begins.

Luis J. Gomez 7:12 So the rib bounces into the...

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah, if you watched, like, Shannon The Cannon Briggs, shout out to the champ. Oh, look at David Lee Roth in that picture.

Luis J. Gomez 7:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Oof.

Luis J. Gomez 7:21 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Come on, man. Nobody lives like that. That guy was on top of the goddamn world. He was built like a Greek god, he could do the full splits.

Luis J. Gomez 7:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:29 He would do fucking wheel kicks on stage and shit. Dude, the level-

Luis J. Gomez 7:33 Look at that. Look at that chest hair, unapologetic.

Joe Rogan 7:35 The level of sex this guy must have had.

Luis J. Gomez 7:39 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Off the charts.

Luis J. Gomez 7:40 Oh, my God. And- and to be honest with you, when I started comedy-

Joe Rogan 7:43 Look at him.

Luis J. Gomez 7:43 ... I started comedy wanting-

Joe Rogan 7:45 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 7:46 ... idolizing guys like that. I grew up on '80s metal.

Joe Rogan 7:48 (screams)

Luis J. Gomez 7:49 So I- well, I started comedy 15 years ago. It was literally a different time. Like, it- you didn't really have to shy away from being like, "Yeah, I wanna fuck after a show." That wasn't a crazy thought.

Joe Rogan 7:58 No, it wasn't.

Luis J. Gomez 7:58 People still wanna do it, but now it's just like quiet.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Now they have to keep their mouths shut.

Luis J. Gomez 8:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Yeah. Hey, go to, um, go to Shannon The Cannon Briggs' page, his Instagram page. There's something very funny that Tucker Carlson said. I know people are like, "Oh my God. Don't- don't even quote him." He said something very funny.

Luis J. Gomez 8:14 He's funny as shit.

Joe Rogan 8:15 He said something very funny about some other news anchor, that this is ex- all the men that are gonna be left if radical feminists take over the world. (laughs) Apologetic-

Luis J. Gomez 8:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 ... bespectacled. I forget what- the way he phrased it, but it was very funny. He was like, "There's a lot of fucking people like that."

Luis J. Gomez 8:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:31 There's a lot of guys like that out there, and it's- they don't wanna be that guy. They're stuck. That's all they can pull off.

Luis J. Gomez 8:37 Well, they're- they're doing probably the smarter move because we're-

Joe Rogan 8:40 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 8:40 ... we're going down a path where I don't think they're saying, "Oh, the pendulum will swing back and we're gonna eventually be able to celebrate rape culture again and do..." It's never gonna happen, okay? We are going down a path where, you know, on television and ent- entertainment, you see what's being booked, you see what's being pushed out there. And look, it- despite the fact that there's a political message and everything, there's still some good shit out there. It's not like it's bad content.

Joe Rogan 9:02 There's some great shit. You know, that's one of the reasons why I posted that Tim Dillon, um, video yesterday. Do you- do you have that Shannon The Cannon one?

Luis J. Gomez 9:08 What- where- where-

Joe Rogan 9:09 There's one where he's, uh, he hits this dude, like, it- it's one of his more recent fight clips that he put up. The fight starts, it goes like 10 seconds, and he steps towards this dude and hits him with a left hook to the body and crumples him. And I just wanna show you, he's like a master at the liver shot.

Luis J. Gomez 9:24 The liver shot.

Joe Rogan 9:25 He's one of the best heavyweights of all time when it comes to liver shots. He was so good at it.

Luis J. Gomez 9:30 If you would've said, "Point to your liver," I would-

Joe Rogan 9:31 Here, watch this. Watch this. Watch this. This is Shannon The Cannon. Watch. Lookit. Watch this liver. Bang! That's it. See? He goes to the body and then down to the gut. He'll pop you with the jab, pop you with the hook upstairs. Watch this. Look at this. See, this is- they're just showing it. Boom.

Luis J. Gomez 9:46 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Watch the left hook. Pop. Watch this. Upstairs, boom, and then downstairs. That's one of them, but that's not the one where he stopped a dude. He just came jumping out of the- out of the gate. But there's another, I think a little bit further back than that, honestly.

Luis J. Gomez 9:58 Dude, he looks like he hits so hard.

Joe Rogan 10:00 He hits so hard.

Luis J. Gomez 10:00 Oh my God, dude.

Joe Rogan 10:01 He's a big, giant dude too. He's-

Luis J. Gomez 10:01 Boxers just in general, like, you know, in- you know, we obviously both watch a lot of MMA. I don't really watch boxing, but now that I'm a pretty big MMA fan, I watch boxing in a different... And the way they punch, it looks so devastating.

Joe Rogan 10:14 Oh, for sure.

Luis J. Gomez 10:15 So- so I remember one time we did a street promotion. I was sh- I was running street teams in New York City for comedy clubs, like even before I started comedy. And we did a thing where we got like boxing gloves and headgear and we just went out and we were challenging people to come in and just box and if they could beat me in a boxing match. I've never fucking trained a day in my life, but if they could just simply beat me in a boxing match, they got free tickets to the show that night. It was just a way to generate a crowd and my street team guys were selling tickets to people trying to just go to a dumb comedy show.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Do you think it helped your act at all? Like getting-

Luis J. Gomez 10:41 I wasn't even doing comedy at that point.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Getting your head punched?

Luis J. Gomez 10:43 I wasn't even doing comedy.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Watch this. Here it is. Watch this guy. See that left to the body? See how he digs that? Watch that one more time. Wa- watch how he sets it up. He jabs to the head, and then when you cover upstairs...

Luis J. Gomez 10:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Look at that. Boom. He- he hits you with the left hook to the face, but it's a quick left hook to set up the left hook to the body. And by the way, he's 50.

Luis J. Gomez 11:02 Yeah. I see his beard.

Joe Rogan 11:05 He's a fucking animal.

Luis J. Gomez 11:06 You can see his beard. Can't tell by his face.

Joe Rogan 11:07 He's- nobody wants to fight him.

Luis J. Gomez 11:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 But I think there's also a TRT issue. But nobody wants to fight him right now. He has a hard time getting fights. What is that? Well, that's his chin, bro. Leave his chin alone. All right.

Luis J. Gomez 11:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:17 Don't make fun of his facial hair. The guy just got fucked up by The Cannon.

Luis J. Gomez 11:20 (laughs) "Let's go, champ!"

Joe Rogan 11:21 If you go to his Instagram page, it's all, "Let's go, champ! Let's go, champ!" It's very inspiring, man.

Luis J. Gomez 11:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:26 He- like, if I wanna feel good, I go to Shannon The Cannon's Instagram page.

Luis J. Gomez 11:29 Is that where you go?

Joe Rogan 11:30 Yeah, he makes me feel good.

Luis J. Gomez 11:32 All right.

Joe Rogan 11:32 It's all positive. It's like, "Let's go, champ!" And he's like, "You gotta drink more water, champ! You gotta eat healthy, champ!"

Luis J. Gomez 11:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:37 Here he is.

Luis J. Gomez 11:38 Look at him.

Joe Rogan 11:39 I'm the champ! It's the champ. Come on, with the boys. Hey y'all, do me a favor. Come here. He's always like super friendly.

Luis J. Gomez 11:45 Yo, me and- me and Bisping had him on the show once. We- we had him call in. Um, I think Bisping knows him pretty well.

Joe Rogan 11:50 You gotta be there with him live.

Luis J. Gomez 11:52 Yeah, he's- yeah, he's all personality.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Yeah, he's- he's- he's a- like a battery of energy.

Luis J. Gomez 11:56 He's like a black Santa Claus. Look at him.

Joe Rogan 11:58 (laughs) He's getting some serious white in that beard.

Luis J. Gomez 12:00 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:01 I think he's still trying to fight. He had some sort of a TRT issue, you know, testosterone replacement therapy, he's been on for years.

Luis J. Gomez 12:07 Yeah. They should make a separate league where you just let the guys take-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Yeah, 100%.

Luis J. Gomez 12:10 ... fucking steroids and TRT, and who cares?

Joe Rogan 12:12 Especially older guys. Yeah, uh, Vitor Belfort's now going to One FC.

Luis J. Gomez 12:15 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 12:16 And, uh, looks good again. Looking sexy.

Luis J. Gomez 12:19 Of course.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Looking all filled out.

Narrator 12:20 Did you see Eddie Alvarez's eye?

Joe Rogan 12:21 Yeah, he got fucked up.

Narrator 12:23 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Yeah, that dude-

Narrator 12:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 He fought Timofey, um-

Narrator 12:27 Nastia something.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Nastukhin, Nastukhin, I think, is his last name. The guy's a beast. Yeah, that One FC show was legit.

Luis J. Gomez 12:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:33 Have you watched it?

Luis J. Gomez 12:34 I've watched just highlights. I, uh, I don't have time, I don't have time to watch all the UFC fights at this time.

Joe Rogan 12:38 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 12:38 Um, so it's hard to kinda, to watch the other cards as well. But once in a while, I'll watch some Bellator, I'll watch One FC.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Damn, look at that eye. Oh, my God.

Luis J. Gomez 12:46 Yeah. That's ready.

Joe Rogan 12:47 His eye is fucked up.

Narrator 12:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Oh, my God. That's terrible. That's a terrible injury.

Luis J. Gomez 12:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:52 That looks like it split his eyelid.

Narrator 12:54 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 12:55 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 12:55 It did. Oh, my God.

Luis J. Gomez 12:56 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 12:57 It split his fucking eyelid, dude.

Narrator 12:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Oh, my God.

Luis J. Gomez 13:01 People, people don't realize, like, that side of it. Like, I mean, that's fucking ...

Joe Rogan 13:06 Well, touch your face. I mean, you had a little bit of an MMA fight. You know what it's like.

Luis J. Gomez 13:10 Yeah, not really.

Joe Rogan 13:11 You, yeah, k- you did.

Luis J. Gomez 13:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:12 It was, it was a fight.

Luis J. Gomez 13:13 It was a fight against another comedian.

Joe Rogan 13:14 You beat a comedian up.

Luis J. Gomez 13:16 I did.

Joe Rogan 13:16 It was very impressive.

Luis J. Gomez 13:17 Hey.

Joe Rogan 13:17 But-

Luis J. Gomez 13:18 Hey.

Joe Rogan 13:18 It was.

Luis J. Gomez 13:19 He had a taekwondo black belt-

Joe Rogan 13:21 He did, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:21 ... from when he was 14 years old.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Yeah, I need to take that back. I def- I gave it to him-

Luis J. Gomez 13:23 (laughs) Now, I know of a taekwondo black belt.

Joe Rogan 13:25 (laughs) No, I, you know, people forget how to do shit, man, if you're j- all bullshit aside.

Luis J. Gomez 13:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 But they, they also gave out a lot of taekwondo black belts that are 100% horseshit.

Luis J. Gomez 13:33 Of course, it's, it's part of the business, if they're not-

Joe Rogan 13:35 They did.

Luis J. Gomez 13:35 If you're not giving your belts out, how are ... You're not gonna get people to come back.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Dude, I know a lot of people that were like, "My son's 9 years old and he just got his black belt." I went like, "Ugh, what are you even saying?"

Luis J. Gomez 13:45 I will beat the shit out of that kid right now.

Joe Rogan 13:46 (laughs) It's everyone will, that's the problem. Like, even other nine-year-olds will.

Luis J. Gomez 13:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Like, most likely.

Luis J. Gomez 13:51 Just an actual tough, athletic kid who's-

Joe Rogan 13:52 A mean kid.

Luis J. Gomez 13:53 ... who's, uh, not afraid of getting hit. That's a difference-

Joe Rogan 13:55 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:55 ... between kids who, like, will do, you know, karate and kick a board.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:59 There's also the kids that are just from the hood-

Joe Rogan 14:01 Uh-huh.

Luis J. Gomez 14:01 ... that have been beaten, punched in the face by their uncles and fathers-

Joe Rogan 14:03 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 14:03 ... since they were a baby, and they are just ready to fight. And they're-

Joe Rogan 14:07 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 14:08 Being hit, to them, it's like you get desensitized to it. If you do any sort of training or, or if you've, you know, you have a really tough environment, you actually get desensitized to it. And you realize after being hit a few times that once adrenaline kicks in, it doesn't really hurt, you know.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 14:20 It hurts after the fact, but, um, so I think you have those kids that will just, uh, I mean, wreck their shit.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 14:28 Just a little nine-year-old from the hood that's y- a tough kid.

Joe Rogan 14:31 Kids that grow up around violence, if you get in street fights all the time, if you're around other kids getting in street fights, people show you how to do things, you learn things. There's a lot of kids that are 10, 11 years old that live in poor neighborhoods, whether it's South Boston or, you know, South Side of Chicago, whatever, any dangerous neighborhood that's, like, filled with poverty. Those kids will be m- more apt to succeed in fights.

Luis J. Gomez 14:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:55 They understand how to fight better.

Luis J. Gomez 14:56 They'll pull the trigger. They're not gonna be-

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 14:58 That's really the thing, just-

Joe Rogan 14:59 They know they have to pull the trigger, because people have pulled the trigger on them.

Luis J. Gomez 15:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Whereas, like, there's a lot of people that talk a lot of shit, but they never really pull the trigger.

Luis J. Gomez 15:05 Well, you see those guys. Those are the guys who are-

Joe Rogan 15:06 Yeah, I mean, when I, when I say pull the trigger, obviously I need, mean punch someone. I don't mean actually pull the trigger.

Luis J. Gomez 15:10 Oh, you said, you said Chicago, so

Narrator 15:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah, well, e- anywhere.

Luis J. Gomez 15:13 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:13 I mean, it's like, especially after that Nipsey Hussle guy got killed. It's like-

Luis J. Gomez 15:16 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 15:17 (sighs) That's so sad.

Luis J. Gomez 15:18 Yeah, on video, too, they have the, uh-

Joe Rogan 15:20 No, Jesus Christ.

Luis J. Gomez 15:22 It's fucked up, um. I- I- I'm not a hip hop fan at all, um, but apparently he was very positive, like anti-violence. Like, it wasn't like a-

Joe Rogan 15:28 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 15:28 ... you know, thuggy rapper that was promoting, you know, drug dealing and, and gang violence, which I don't really know if even people do that as much anymore.

Joe Rogan 15:37 I don't know, but by all accounts, this guy was loved.

Luis J. Gomez 15:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:40 And, uh, you know, he just ... It's just beyond fucked. (sighs) Just, like, that, that is still going on in this world.

Luis J. Gomez 15:50 It was, if I'm not mistaken, um, he got into a fight with a guy, right? And the guy came back with a gun-

Joe Rogan 15:58 I don't know.

Luis J. Gomez 15:59 ... and shot him. That's what I read. I, I think it was, like, a- something-

Joe Rogan 16:02 I don't know if it was along those lines. Something along those lines.

Luis J. Gomez 16:04 'Cause y- the, this ... When you hear about a hip hop artist gunned down, you're like, "Oh, is this some long-standing beef?"

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 16:09 And, you know, you know, who knows? But I think it was literally a fight that these guys got in, and the guy came back with a gun and just fucking started unloading, which is-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 16:18 It's brutal. That's literally how my father died. Literally ... Well, except with a, it was with a knife, which is a much more hardcore way to do it.

Joe Rogan 16:24 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 16:24 But my dad was outside of a strip club at four o'clock in the morning, got into an argument with, uh, a kid, you know, um, like a 16-year-old kid. And they got into a fistfight, uh, you know, uh, the kid came back, like, an hour later with a kitchen knife and stabbed him. That's that.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Oof.

Luis J. Gomez 16:41 And it's like, God, d- y- ... It also takes a different type of person to, you know, to, to kill. I'm, I'm not, I'm not the kid in the hood who's just ready to pull the trigger and punch somebody. Like, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 16:52 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 16:52 I grew up in a weird way where it's like I was taught, like, "Well, you wait til they throw the first punch," which is a terrible strategy. But th- the, that's sort of the way that I always ... It was always, like, fistfights in the parking lot with your friends.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 17:02 You weren't trying to really hurt each other. It was, you got into an argument over a video game, and you went out back in the parking lot, and you beat each other up for two minutes.

Joe Rogan 17:09 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 17:09 And then that was that. Um, but guys that are, you know, willing to kill somebody over whatever, just an argument, take their life completely without any ... Just even, they, they lose sense of the repercussions of it as well, which is sort of, like, that's something that I think would separate most people and go like, "All right, well, I don't wanna go to jail. There's cameras."

Joe Rogan 17:29 I think a giant chunk of it is how they're, what, like, what experiences they have growing up. Like, what happened to them? Are they abused? Are they beaten? Are they around a lot of violence?

Luis J. Gomez 17:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Like, what are, what are they exposed to? And then how much more likely are you to commit that violence because of that?

Luis J. Gomez 17:46 So you have to push that onto the next person.

Joe Rogan 17:47 That's really what it is. I mean, that's the m- the vast majority. I mean, it's not, uh, it's not a shocker that so much violent crime comes from poor neighborhoods. It's, it's like it makes itself. It makes itself.

Luis J. Gomez 17:58 Of course.

Joe Rogan 17:59 It's like, it's almost like a virus.

Luis J. Gomez 18:00 I agree.

Joe Rogan 18:01 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 18:01 And I, uh, I, I, you know, I grew up ... My mom was extremely abusive, um-... you know, and I grew up with a l- uh, around a ton of violence, a ton of physical and emotional abuse, verbal abuse, always the threat of violence. At th- at the drop of a hat, it was, it was always immediately to, "I'll beat the shit out of you if you don't do what I say."

Joe Rogan 18:19 Right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 18:19 Um, even if she wasn't being violent. Um, and I... Dude, I go the opposite, dude. I, I, you know, with my son, dude, I... Literally, my son had never even spanked him. I've never smacked him on the hand. I've never... I've never even really yelled at my son. Um, and I don't think that I got lucky and have a good kid. I do have a good... I have a great kid. But I think it's a direct re-... you know, correlation to me not being aggressive with him.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 18:43 At all.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Right. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 18:44 And I talk.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Talking is huge, right? Have little conversations with them. Don't just tell them what to do.

Luis J. Gomez 18:50 Well, you have to give them a why.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Ask them how they're feeling. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 18:52 You have to give them the why. If they don't understand why... You know, that just... In general, in life, people, just in general, if they understand why something th- there's a real purpose there, and then they do what they're doing, you know, with that purpose in mind.

Joe Rogan 19:03 Yeah. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 19:04 And I think when little kids, they're, you know, they're so malleable. And sometimes i- it's annoying for them to ask why two or three times.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 19:11 And it's easy to lose your patience. Um, but what you realize what you're... You know, that's... You know, I'm a piece of shit, I'll admit. I'm the first one to admit it. But the only good thing I do, I think, is the fact that I'm creating this good little person.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 19:22 He's a really good, sweet person that I think is gonna be... You know, all the shit that I didn't really have or, you know, all the good qualities that I think I... you know, I, I could have maybe had if I was raised the right way, I'm trying to give my son. And I think that's a really big responsibility, and that's why, you know, you... I feel bad when you see, like, real violence like that, like fucking people that are, like, being really... You're like, "Dude, I know that person experienced some crazy shit."

Joe Rogan 19:45 100%.

Luis J. Gomez 19:45 And it's, it's, it's not their fault in a weird way.

Joe Rogan 19:47 And, and it's definitely not. You know, I never lived in the worst neighborhood in the world, but I lived in, uh, a shady one for quite a bit. We lived in this place called Jamaica Plain, uh, outside of Boston for about a year. My, my parents knew immediately we, we had to get the fuck out of there. We only... I think we stayed maybe a year, a little over a year. And, uh, we got out of there as quick as we can. But there was, like, a lot of break-ins, a lot of... It was lower income. It wasn't terrible, it wasn't like a, a gang violence, shoot-'em-up type shit, but there was a lot of criminals.

Luis J. Gomez 20:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:17 There's a lot of shady shit, fights-

Luis J. Gomez 20:18 Shitty poverty. It does... You don't have to-

Joe Rogan 20:20 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:20 It doesn't have to be, like, gangs.

Joe Rogan 20:21 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 20:21 It's just shitty... Dude, p- poverty makes people do crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 20:25 It does. An- and it makes... I, I was never around kids that were that aggressive. Like, kids were always trying to fight me. And, um, I just moved there. We just moved there from Florida, and I was like, "Fuck, I gotta get out of here." And this is what, what led me to martial arts, really.

Luis J. Gomez 20:38 How old were you?

Joe Rogan 20:38 13.

Luis J. Gomez 20:38 Okay. So you were just-

Joe Rogan 20:39 I was just... You're, you're, you're, you know-

Luis J. Gomez 20:41 Teenage boy.

Joe Rogan 20:42 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:42 Almost a man. I mean, you're, you're going through puberty at this point.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:44 That's a... You know, that's a scary time.

Joe Rogan 20:45 And there was all these kids that were just... They were so... They were, they had already fucked. They were already doing drugs. They were drinking-

Luis J. Gomez 20:51 These are, uh... It's just like-

Joe Rogan 20:52 ... in Jamaica Plain.

Luis J. Gomez 20:53 ... low income, white?

Joe Rogan 20:54 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 20:54 Or...

Joe Rogan 20:54 White and Puerto Rican, like, uh, m- mostly that, mostly white and Puerto Rican. It was a lot of it. Uh, just, um, a lot of cigarette smokers. At 13, kids were smoking cigarettes already.

Luis J. Gomez 21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:06 They were drinking all the time.

Luis J. Gomez 21:07 I used to light-

Joe Rogan 21:07 13.

Luis J. Gomez 21:07 ... my mom's cigarettes for her when I was, was 10.

Joe Rogan 21:09 (laughs) Isn't that crazy?

Luis J. Gomez 21:10 I swear to God.

Joe Rogan 21:11 Like, Grape Fitzsimmons lived in a house with two parents that were chain smokers in an apartment and they never opened the windows in the winter.

Luis J. Gomez 21:16 Are you crazy?

Joe Rogan 21:17 I mean-

Luis J. Gomez 21:17 My mom never...

Joe Rogan 21:19 Just think about that.

Luis J. Gomez 21:19 There's no sense... My mom smoked through her entire pregnancy with me.

Joe Rogan 21:22 Uh, me too. Mine too.

Luis J. Gomez 21:23 Dawg. Yeah. I mean, they don't... And, and look, once again, she doesn't know kind of.

Joe Rogan 21:26 They didn't know, man.

Luis J. Gomez 21:27 Th- they, they knew.

Joe Rogan 21:27 They sorta knew.

Luis J. Gomez 21:28 The jury was out on smoking while you were pregnant, I think, in '82 when I was born.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Oh. Oh, yeah, for '82. I'm '67. You, your mom has zero excuses. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 21:35 Oh, I thought you s-

Joe Rogan 21:36 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 21:36 I thought you... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:38 My mom was in the '60s, man. They didn't know shit.

Luis J. Gomez 21:40 Yeah. I guess in the '60s, it was like you had to read a book.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 21:43 And she's new-

Joe Rogan 21:43 And she was only 20, you know.

Luis J. Gomez 21:45 Yeah. My mom was '22.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Just stop and think of that. My mom was 20. Like, that is crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 21:49 Imagine that. How old were you when you had your first kid?

Joe Rogan 21:51 That is crazy. Uh, 40.

Luis J. Gomez 21:54 You were 40? That's fuck-

Joe Rogan 21:55 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 21:55 That's so perfect.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 21:57 Such a perfect time. I was 30, which is f-... It's too young. And I think my mom was 18 when she had my sister.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Yeah, the, um... It's... Just th- just the act of whether... No matter when you start it, wheth- if you start it at 20 or if you start it at 40, the act of raising another human being, it just changes who the fuck you are. It just does.

Luis J. Gomez 22:19 Yeah, j-

Joe Rogan 22:19 It's like everything s- switches and gets weird, and then you're like, "Oh, I'm responsible for f- for shaping your life, and at least helping to shape your life. And if I do a good job, you'll be a good person, and you'll go out there and you'll make more good people and you'll meet good people," which is really what everybody wants. At the end of the day, everybody wants comradery and love and friendship. That's why, like, what's the worst shit that can happen today? You get canceled. Everybody wants to cancel people.

Luis J. Gomez 22:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:51 "You're out. Get outta here."

Luis J. Gomez 22:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:53 "You're done. It's over." There's a weird thrill to that.

Luis J. Gomez 22:55 Which is a strange... It's also like, "I want you to not be able to make money."

Joe Rogan 23:00 But it's not even just that.

Luis J. Gomez 23:00 And I want you to starve or go home- be homeless. I don't really understand that.

Joe Rogan 23:03 It's not specific. It's not specific in terms like they don't want you to be able to make an income. They wanna hurt you, that's what it is, because they're scared of someone doing it to them. This is the m- a big part of why people pull the trigger on that stuff, whether they're just li- ... People are calling for people to get canceled for, like, nothing, like little tiny things. "Never again." It's because they're scared of it actually happening, so this is like you have this ultimate power to just, to just, like, get upset at someone for virtually anything. Pick a, pick a cause.

Luis J. Gomez 23:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Whatever it is, you can get upset at something.

Luis J. Gomez 23:34 Well, it's also, it's, it's sort of intoxicating and it's fun.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 23:37 And m- most people don't have real opinions on anything, and then you have this, this... You know, on, on Facebook or Twitter or whatever social media platform, you have an immediate gratification of, like-

Joe Rogan 23:48 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 23:48 ... I just got 20 likes on a thought of mine.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 23:51 That's addictive as fuck.

Joe Rogan 23:52 That's super addictive.

Luis J. Gomez 23:53 You know, that, that right there will... You know, I understand why people continue to come back and that nobody really cares. As soon as you put your computer down or your phone down, nobody gives a fuck about any of these issues at the supermarket or at the bowling alley or at the library.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Some people do, but that's not what's important. What, what's important is the internet is essentially the whole world is a big window and everyone has a rock. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 24:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:16 People are just looking to throw rocks.

Luis J. Gomez 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 And if you find a thing to throw a rock about, whether it's to throw a rock about politics or, or gender or race or, uh, uh, social justice or, you know, w- fill in the blank, the environment-

Luis J. Gomez 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:32 ... the, saving the animals, everyone's throwing rocks.

Luis J. Gomez 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:35 You know, and very few people are, uh, actually communicating. It's a strange time for that.

Luis J. Gomez 24:39 Well, you would think that you would want... In an ideal world, you would want people that have differing ideas to come together, sit down, have an honest conversation-

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 24:50 ... and go, "Awesome, dude. Go live your life. I'll live my life. I learned a little bit just now."

Joe Rogan 24:53 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 24:53 And then you go off and you go, "Yeah, that, that's how you learn from different cultures." That's how we, you know, ultimately got to a place... You know, I think it's... I, I, I have a w- I think it's a great country. I, I, in a weird way, I think it's... I'm proud to be an American. I, you know, I'm proud, um... You know, I don't think all the things that people think that are awful about this country are, are necessarily awful. Um, you know, I think the opportunity to make money... I did grow up on wealth and I grew up poor and, you know, I... You know, I'm... You know, for all intents and purposes, I'm, I'm living my dream right now. And I get to kinda do what I wanna do, um, and I look at that and I say, "That's because I, I live in a place where that opportunity is there."

Joe Rogan 25:31 Of course. Look, America's amazing. It doesn't mean it's perfect.

Luis J. Gomez 25:33 No.

Joe Rogan 25:34 It certainly gives you more opportunity than anywhere that I've ever heard of. And it's a fun place, man. I like it here. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 25:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Fucking country is fun. But there's definitely some fucked up aspects of it. The, the fact that we're a country... This is the... The big one is immigration to me, because immigration to me, when people take a hard line one way or the other, I'm always like, "Hmm, man, this is a weird one." Immigration's a weird one. You don't wanna diminish the quality of life for everyone in the country, but you don't wanna not let people in because that's what the country is based on. And we see these fenced in people, and where is it? Is it El Paso? There was, uh, something that they had on the news where they showed all these people fenced in, in what looks like a dog kennel. And these, these, uh, people that snuck across the border and they captured them-

Luis J. Gomez 26:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:18 ... so they just put them in this fucking outdoor fenced in cage. Like, dude, we don't even do that to violent murderers.

Luis J. Gomez 26:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:25 You have a violent murderer...

Luis J. Gomez 26:27 There's due process, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:28 Yeah, well, not, not, not just due process. You put him in a prison, man.

Luis J. Gomez 26:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Like, th- they don't have the facilities to do what they're doing.

Luis J. Gomez 26:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:34 And then people are like, "Well, they shouldn't be coming across the border." Like, I guess so, but wouldn't you?

Luis J. Gomez 26:38 I'm also like, "Who-"

Joe Rogan 26:39 But wouldn't you?

Luis J. Gomez 26:40 Who cares? Like, I, I understand, yes, there is sort of a... But anybody who is up in arms about immigrants coming to this country, most of the time they're also on one side of the political spectrum on every other issue.

Joe Rogan 26:54 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 26:55 It's not like it's an independent thought. It's like they, they-

Joe Rogan 26:57 No, it's part of a program.

Luis J. Gomez 26:58 And everybody... That, that's on both sides, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:00 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 27:00 And, you know, I just sort of... I'm in a... I have my own personal life philosophy where I'm not gonna solve the immigration issue. And to be honest, as we're talking about it, I'm going like, "I don't know. I, I have no idea what the answer is here." People are obsessed with being right. People always wanna have an answer. I don't fucking know. But, uh, I do know that I have things in my life that, you know, I can fix. I, I know there are... You know, there are things about my personality and things about me and my own, you know, my own issues that I need to fix. So I'll s- sort of start there, you know? And I think more people need to kinda, you know, look-

Joe Rogan 27:30 You mean before they start espousing opinions, look at themselves and figure out why they're coming up with these opinions? Is that what you're saying?

Luis J. Gomez 27:35 Y- yeah, just sort of.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 27:36 Um, the, I just-

Joe Rogan 27:39 This one's like it pulls on your humanity. You see a bunch of people caged in with their children in some fenced in area that literally looks like a dog kennel.

Luis J. Gomez 27:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:46 You're like, "This is crazy."

Luis J. Gomez 27:47 Well, I'm not saying I don't care about that. I just... I, I don't care about people coming in the country and going in these imaginary lines. I, I, I... You know, it's just sort of like, yeah, I think it's, um... I, I think as a human being, it's hard to see that. And I look away from shit like that a lot.

Joe Rogan 28:04 What do you mean?

Luis J. Gomez 28:04 You know, I don't look... I, I, I don't like looking at videos like that. I don't like watching sad things. I don't watch any gore shit. I didn't watch the, the video of the dude that-

Joe Rogan 28:12 No.

Luis J. Gomez 28:12 ... mowed down those people in New Zealand. Um, you know? Yeah, i- it is a sad thing. And I really don't know the solution.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Look at this shit. It says, "They treated us like we were animals. A holding pen for migrant families in El Paso has shut down." It's gonna shut down overnight, I guess. Oh, could be because people found out about it. Yeah. It's crazy. Look at that. That's, that's a dog kennel.

Luis J. Gomez 28:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:31 It means people are just sitting around waiting for what? I mean, that... If that was murderers, they wouldn't do that, right?

Luis J. Gomez 28:37 So let's say you're the guy in charge, though.

Joe Rogan 28:38 What do you do?

Luis J. Gomez 28:39 What would you... I mean, me, I would go-

Joe Rogan 28:40 No, that's a good question.

Luis J. Gomez 28:41 I would go let them in, but I don't know if that's the right answer.

Joe Rogan 28:43 I don't know if it's the answer too, either, but I guarantee you all of our... Like, your relatives came from another country. My relatives all came from another country. Uh, they... I'm third generation. They, they, they knew that Europe sucked.

Luis J. Gomez 28:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:56 They knew that Italy sucked. And so they're like, "Look..." I mean, no disrespect to Italy, but they decided, "I gotta get the fuck out of here." And they got on a boat, all of them. Grandparents on both sides, they both came over here when they were kids.

Luis J. Gomez 29:07 Does Italy suck? It seems awesome. From everything I've seen about it , great food.

Joe Rogan 29:10 Well, the food is fantastic.

Luis J. Gomez 29:12 Hot dudes.

Joe Rogan 29:12 When I talked to a guy there though, I was trying to get an understanding, because he wanted his kids to go to college in America. And what he was basically saying was there was just not enough opportunity in, in Italy. And that, uh, he wanted his son to have more opportunity.

Luis J. Gomez 29:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:26 And so he's driving a, a cab actually. They all speak two languages. They all speak perfect English. Like, a, a good percentage of them, at least.

Luis J. Gomez 29:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 They're... You know, it's a smart place. A lot of... And the art is insane. When you're w- when you're going through Rome and you go through, um, the Vatican, you see their billions of dollars, literally billions of dollars in artwork. You're like, "Holy shit." Like, this is... What a crazy culture.

Luis J. Gomez 29:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:50 This culture, all they wanted to do was create beautiful architecture, create beautiful art, make wine, create amazing food.

Luis J. Gomez 29:56 Make great food, have sex.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Fuck like crazy, and kinda take over the world. I mean, they took over the world for a long ass time.

Luis J. Gomez 30:03 I got no problem with Italy. It sounds great.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Barbarian people.

Luis J. Gomez 30:05 Yeah. But you... Now, today, there's not much opportunity if you wanna drive a cab, make some tomato sauce.

Joe Rogan 30:10 Dude, I was driving with this cab driver with my kids in the car, and this guy slowed down to check out this chick's ass and yelled out the window at her. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 30:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:18 They're fucking savages, man. They are ape people. My ancestors, I'm allowed to say it.

Luis J. Gomez 30:24 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:25 They're ape folk.

Luis J. Gomez 30:26 I used... I used to love catcalling. In a f-

Joe Rogan 30:28 It's terrible for you.

Luis J. Gomez 30:29 In a funny way, though. It's not... Yeah, it's wrong. I will preface this by saying it's wrong. But... And as- as an adult, as a 37-year-old man, uh, who has a six-year-old boy, um, who will probably watch this one day, I will say, "Don't do that."

Joe Rogan 30:44 Don't do what Daddy says.

Luis J. Gomez 30:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 Do as I say, not as I do.

Luis J. Gomez 30:46 Exactly. But I will say, it was sort of like a funny thing. We would just, we would just catcall chicks in a funny way. We would do it almost like mocking guys who catcall. However, from the girl's perspective, she's just being catcalled.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Yeah, the girls don't like it. Unless they really like it.

Luis J. Gomez 31:00 Well, it depends.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Uh, they, they could be freaks. But it's, it's never worth the risk.

Luis J. Gomez 31:03 You can go to, you can go to the hood-

Joe Rogan 31:03 It's not like... One out of 10 may, might like it.

Luis J. Gomez 31:06 I, I had talked about this in my special, but if you go holler at a fucking Puerto Rican chick or a Black chick...

Joe Rogan 31:12 They want it?

Luis J. Gomez 31:13 They like it.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Okay.

Luis J. Gomez 31:14 I'm making a generalization here-

Joe Rogan 31:15 Different culture.

Luis J. Gomez 31:15 ... but I'm telling you right now, it's how... It's a different level of community. I'm telling you, go watch in Harlem or if you go to Brooklyn, just watch-

Joe Rogan 31:22 Luis J. Gomez defends catcalling.

Narrator 31:24 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:24 Oh, yeah, I'll say.

Joe Rogan 31:25 Live on the JRE.

Narrator 31:26 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:27 You guys, you guys can... I have a, I have a bit about it on my brand-new special, Luis J. Gomez Presents: Luis J. Gomez.

Joe Rogan 31:30 Oh, I, I hear it's out right now.

Luis J. Gomez 31:31 Yeah.

Narrator 31:31 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 31:32 Just came out.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Is it out on Amazon?

Luis J. Gomez 31:33 It's out everywhere.

Joe Rogan 31:34 It's out on iTunes?

Luis J. Gomez 31:35 iTunes, gasstationetwork.com, and-

Joe Rogan 31:37 Can you get it right now?

Luis J. Gomez 31:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:37 What is it again?

Luis J. Gomez 31:37 Luis J. Gomez Presents: Luis J. Gomez.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Make sure it's Luis J. Gomez, or you get a Dominican pitcher from-

Luis J. Gomez 31:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:42 ... Miami. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:42 Luis Gomez Presents: Luis Gomez is a completely different thing.

Narrator 31:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:45 Yeah, that's an important film.

Luis J. Gomez 31:46 It's a fisherman, uh...

Joe Rogan 31:46 Yeah. Um, what were we just talking about? We smoked too much pot before the show.

Luis J. Gomez 31:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:51 What... What's that?

Luis J. Gomez 31:53 Catcalling.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Oh.

Narrator 31:53 Catcalling.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Have you ever had a, a gay guy try to fuck you?

Luis J. Gomez 31:56 Yeah, are you kidding?

Joe Rogan 31:57 Right. How about a big strong one that could kick your ass? Like, a gay guy that looks like Deontay Wilder?

Narrator 32:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:05 (sighs) Have you ever-

Luis J. Gomez 32:05 Not... No, not that I thought could kick my ass, but I understand-

Joe Rogan 32:08 How about this?

Luis J. Gomez 32:08 ... the point that you're making.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Yeah, if you had a gay guy that you know could kick your ass. That's what it's like to be a chick.

Luis J. Gomez 32:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:14 That's what it's like.

Luis J. Gomez 32:15 I, I get... I go to a high-end gym.

Joe Rogan 32:18 High-end meaning gay?

Narrator 32:19 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:19 Meaning it's a lot of gay guys. Equinox. It's, uh, it's... Dude, it's... Gay guys love Equinox. And I, I love the gym. It was actually my last day job. I, I worked doing sales there.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 32:29 And, uh, I saw the infrastructure of the company, and I know they're, they're very, you know... It's about customer service there, and I really like that, right? So-

Joe Rogan 32:35 Are you selling it right now? Are you selling Equinox?

Luis J. Gomez 32:37 I'm selling memberships, guys, so hit me up.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Seems like-

Luis J. Gomez 32:39 Uh-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Seems like you're selling it.

Luis J. Gomez 32:39 But it's great.

Joe Rogan 32:40 You went right into salesman mode.

Luis J. Gomez 32:41 I, I really... I'm telling you, I'm a salesman through and through.

Narrator 32:44 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:44 But I go there now, and the steam room-

Joe Rogan 32:47 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 32:47 I mean... And I, and I mean this. I would say one out of eight times that I go in the steam room, a man will do what... Almost like a presenting-type thing where he's trying to fish for me to suck his dick.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 32:59 You know, like, I guess the-

Joe Rogan 33:00 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 33:00 The famous story was like sort of tapping the foot under the stall, but it's not that. They open their towel, and they kind of, like, make eye contact with you and-

Joe Rogan 33:07 Oh, Jesus.

Luis J. Gomez 33:08 But they do it in a way where you can't call them on their shit.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 33:11 'Cause you can't be like... 'Cause then you look like a fucking big homophobe.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 33:14 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:15 And they probably outnumber you.

Luis J. Gomez 33:16 What, the gay guys?

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 33:17 Yeah. Um, probably.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yeah, probably.

Luis J. Gomez 33:20 But it, it happens, uh, it happens a lot. I've gotten multiple free months there because I complain about it.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Wow. That's a good move. It's like dropping hair in your own food.

Luis J. Gomez 33:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:29 What?

Narrator 33:30 I just, I just saw... Y- y- this is reminding me of a video I just saw. This is a pretty... I don't know if you've seen this video.

Joe Rogan 33:35 What is this?

Narrator 33:36 It's, like, ringing a bell. This only took 20 seconds.

Joe Rogan 33:39 It says, "Man catches guy looking under a stall."

Narrator 33:42 This is a guy in a bathroom stall. He's got his video camera. It's just pointed at the floor right now.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Okay.

Narrator 33:48 It's ƒoké.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Why is you on the floor?

Narrator 33:50 Hm?

Joe Rogan 33:51 Why is you on the floor?

Narrator 33:52 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 33:52 I've been recording you the whole time in the men's restroom.

Narrator 33:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Sorry.

Luis J. Gomez 33:57 Huh.

Joe Rogan 33:57 Jesus. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 33:58 He's also lying on his boner.

Narrator 34:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:00 He's just lying on the floor.

Narrator 34:02 Well-

Luis J. Gomez 34:03 That guy's a grimy...

Joe Rogan 34:04 I don't know. What is that?

Narrator 34:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 34:04 That's a guy looking to see people's shit.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 34:06 He's looking to suck some cock.

Narrator 34:07 How weird.

Luis J. Gomez 34:07 That happened to me at the gym in between the, the shower stalls.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 34:12 The guy's face was peeking through.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Oh, boy.

Luis J. Gomez 34:14 Um, and, yeah, it's, uh... And I... You know, we're way... 'Cause here's the thing. You can't, you can't just start beating somebody up for that, right?

Joe Rogan 34:21 No.

Luis J. Gomez 34:22 You can't just start... You can't even threaten violence for it. It's a weird thing, and you feel very defenseless. And I underst-... It's the first time I truly was like, "Oh, I kind of get what women are talking about." Because I... You feel, like, violated.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 34:32 You can't really do much. It-

Joe Rogan 34:35 I've had it happen, and I could beat the guy up.

Luis J. Gomez 34:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Like, I have had it happen where it was a guy that was not physically a threat to me, and it still made me super uncomfortable, and I felt really weak. I felt like-

Luis J. Gomez 34:46 Because you feel like it's also...

Joe Rogan 34:48 Vulnerable.

Luis J. Gomez 34:48 You feel like you're committing a hate crime if you beat this guy up for being gay.

Joe Rogan 34:51 No, it wasn't, wasn't just being gay.

Luis J. Gomez 34:52 Well, how aggressive was he?

Joe Rogan 34:53 Super aggressive, like touching me, putting his hands on my shoulders, telling me he's gonna take me up to his room. I'm like, "You better get your fucking hands off me."

Luis J. Gomez 35:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 35:01 I was like, "This is getting out of hand."

Luis J. Gomez 35:02 Yeah. You live a different life than me. I just feel... I feel like a princess.

Joe Rogan 35:05 This was a long time ago.

Luis J. Gomez 35:06 I feel like just... Well, I feel like the belle of the ball for one day.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Woo.

Luis J. Gomez 35:08 Just get a little attention.

Joe Rogan 35:10 It was, um... It was disconcerting, but again, I wasn't physically vulnerable. Like, I could decide that I just wanted to choke this guy unconscious, and I could just do that.

Luis J. Gomez 35:19 But you could choke most guys unconscious.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah, but this guy was not... Like, there was no, no guessing. You know what I'm saying?

Luis J. Gomez 35:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:24 He was not a specimen. He was a scrawny dude.

Luis J. Gomez 35:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:27 He was just a, uh, uh, an aggressive gay guy. But it's-

Luis J. Gomez 35:30 But, like, you go to prison, and, you know...

Joe Rogan 35:32 Yeah, exactly. That's my point. If the roles were reversed, if it was me aggressively coming on to this guy who never worked out a day in his life, it would be terrifying.

Luis J. Gomez 35:39 He would just have to take it.

Joe Rogan 35:40 He'd have to take it.

Luis J. Gomez 35:41 Well, that's what I... When I was training for that, uh, MMA fight-

Narrator 35:45 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 35:45 ... against a comedian, I trained with Bisping, uh, twice. And I grappled with Bisping, and Bisping's not even known for his jiu-jitsu.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Of course he is.

Luis J. Gomez 35:52 He, he... No, he's got... He's got jiu-jitsu. He's got... He's brought, brought both... All I know-

Joe Rogan 35:55 But his, uh, his, uh, guard, his defensive guard is one of the best in MMA. Very rarely do people pass his guard. When he's on-

Luis J. Gomez 36:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:00 ... the ground, he's, he's excellent.

Luis J. Gomez 36:02 But primarily, he... You know, he's known as a striker.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 36:04 Primarily.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Primarily.

Luis J. Gomez 36:06 D- I can't explain to you. It was like I felt like a lion was just toying with me. It, it was... And it, it was, it was a strange thing because I'd never in my life... 'Cause you... Obviously, you know an MMA fighter can beat you up. You know a professional mixed martial artist can beat you up. But I don't think people realize how badly and wh- how big of the gap-

Joe Rogan 36:26 Hm.

Luis J. Gomez 36:27 ... it is.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah, of course, dude.

Luis J. Gomez 36:28 Because it's not... It's-But they don't know, Joe.

Joe Rogan 36:30 No.

Luis J. Gomez 36:30 You know, people have no fucking clue until you do it, and I had no idea until ... This is last summer, and I ju- And he was fucking around with me for a second.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 36:39 It was terrifying. And I, I feel like less of a man. I can't look at my son in the eyes-

Joe Rogan 36:42 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:42 ... the same way that I used to be able to. I- I don't fuck right anymore.

Joe Rogan 36:45 You know what it's like? Oh, come on. You'll be all right.

Luis J. Gomez 36:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:47 You know what it's like? It's like, um ... Do you know how people see someone do stand up and they think, "I could fucking do that."

Luis J. Gomez 36:52 Everyone. That's how we all started.

Joe Rogan 36:53 You know- Right. B- 'Cause you're just talking.

Luis J. Gomez 36:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:55 The guy's just talking.

Luis J. Gomez 36:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:57 That's what fighting is like. It's like, you look at a guy like Bisping and, you know, he's like a normal guy. I mean, he's obviously very athletic and he's big and everything like that, but he's, he's not Shaquille O'Neal. He's not-

Luis J. Gomez 37:07 No.

Joe Rogan 37:07 ... like some seven-foot-something specimen.

Luis J. Gomez 37:10 No.

Joe Rogan 37:10 He's a regular-sized human. So you're like, "Well, he's moving like a regular human. I could do that." But you have no idea.

Luis J. Gomez 37:16 It is-

Joe Rogan 37:17 You have no idea. You're beyond helpless. You have no idea.

Luis J. Gomez 37:20 Literally.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah. You have no idea. He grabs ahold of you, you're, you're a dead person.

Luis J. Gomez 37:24 Almost anybody in the UFC, any d-

Joe Rogan 37:27 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 37:27 Any person, the average person, even if you're training, i- it doesn't matter, they can take you.

Joe Rogan 37:31 There's levels.

Luis J. Gomez 37:32 And do what they wanna do with you.

Joe Rogan 37:33 Yeah. There's intellectual levels. Like, I always feel like that whenever I talk to people that are really smart, like if I have a Sean Carroll or a Neil Grasse Tyson or someone on the podcast. You talk to 'em and you're just like, "Goddamn, I'm fucking stupid."

Luis J. Gomez 37:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:44 You know? There's just, there's levels to this.

Luis J. Gomez 37:46 Of course.

Joe Rogan 37:46 There's levels to this understanding of life. There's like ... But that's with everything. With stand up, with artwork, with, with someone choking the life out of you.

Luis J. Gomez 37:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:54 You've got ... To this day, man, I- I've been doing jujitsu since 1996. If I roll with certain people, I just, it's a matter of when I'm gonna get strangled.

Luis J. Gomez 38:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:02 They don't even have to be bigger than me. Could be smaller than me. It's when am I gonna tap? When's it coming?

Luis J. Gomez 38:06 I had a friend of mine-

Joe Rogan 38:07 Just battling it out.

Luis J. Gomez 38:08 ... who's like a really athletic dude, who like, uh, he t- He's not even a friend, it's a friend of a friend, but he trains out of a ... He's like a trainer out of a Gracie school in Florida. And there was only one time he, he got to roll with Royce Gracie. And I just said no. I was like, "Well, what was it like?" Was it like, was he, like, that much better? I think this guy was a high-level black belt.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 38:25 Like, he's like, "Dude." He was like ... When you're talking about levels, he was like, "He was toying with me like I had never done it before." And that's how, uh, uh, that's how good, um, those guys are.

Joe Rogan 38:36 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 38:37 And Royce doesn't ... You know, at this point, when you compare it, compare him to these athletic guys in MMA today. We saw it with Matt Hughes, you know, you know, he couldn't compete anymore, um, once people sorta knew the tricks. But, um, yeah. I mean, that ... It's very humbling, the whole experience.

Joe Rogan 38:51 But here's what's even crazier. Rickson, Royce's brother-

Luis J. Gomez 38:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:54 ... Royce will tell you he's 10 times better than him.

Luis J. Gomez 38:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Rickson would do to Royce what Royce would do to other black belts.

Luis J. Gomez 39:01 Well, wasn't that-

Joe Rogan 39:02 There was, like, levels.

Luis J. Gomez 39:02 ... sort of the, uh, the story, was they could've had Rickson, but he was too athletic and too s- you know, m-

Joe Rogan 39:08 There's a bunch of issues, and I would not want to, uh, say exactly what happened for f- fear of upsetting either side, 'cause I think there's two different stories.

Luis J. Gomez 39:17 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:17 But, uh, he was essentially the champion of the family, and one of the thoughts was that it would be, uh, more impressive if Royce did it because Royce was only 175 pounds.

Luis J. Gomez 39:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:30 And he ... With his shirt off, I mean, he looked like he was fit, but looked like a volleyball player or something.

Luis J. Gomez 39:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Right? Whereas, Rickson was-

Luis J. Gomez 39:35 He looks like Freddie Mercury.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Rickson was shredded.

Luis J. Gomez 39:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Rickson was, like, really into physical training. He did a lot of gymnastics and yoga. He was-

Luis J. Gomez 39:41 He was jacked.

Joe Rogan 39:41 ... unbelievably athletic.

Luis J. Gomez 39:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Yeah. But he was also, like, way physically stronger. It would appear more that he was just dominating someone like a cat.

Luis J. Gomez 39:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Like, he would jump on you like a cat.

Luis J. Gomez 39:50 So it wasn't as good of an advertisement for, you know-

Joe Rogan 39:51 It wasn't necessarily true, though, because there was also talk that no one can control Rickson and they didn't want Rickson to win, 'cause Rickson is a ... He's, like, a, a free spirit, like, in the greatest sense of the word. Like, legitimately. He might throw his phone in the ocean, disappear for a month, and just fucking surf and do jujitsu somewhere.

Luis J. Gomez 40:07 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 40:07 And he's, he's a freak in the best sense of the word.

Luis J. Gomez 40:10 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 40:10 And so I don't think they ever thought they could control Rickson. That was part of the, the problem with having Rickson be the champion. Rickson would probably freeze up the whole organization. "I want $10 million or I'll never fight again."

Luis J. Gomez 40:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Like, they were offering him fights for years, and he had some crazy number that he wanted. And he was like, "If you give me that number, I'll fight Fedor. If you give me that number, I'll fight the best fighters in the world."

Luis J. Gomez 40:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Until then ...

Luis J. Gomez 40:31 This is after, after the UFC, right?

Joe Rogan 40:33 Even ... Yeah. Well, after the UFC started, but everybody still knew. See, when Royce was winning, everyone still knew. Uh, Rickson was competing in something called Japan Vale Tudo, and he won that.

Luis J. Gomez 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:42 And you had to see the super high-level jujitsu. Pride 1 was Rickson. Um, and, uh, Rickson was the guy that everybody knew that if something happened and then Royce was out of the UFC or there was no other, uh, Gracies in the UFC, Rickson is always there to step in. And we were always wondering, "When is he gonna step in?"

Luis J. Gomez 41:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:03 When's he gonna fight the best guys?

Luis J. Gomez 41:05 Never happens.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Never did. No. He fought some s- He fought Funaki, who was a really high-level guy. That was his last fight and he strangled him. Uh, put him to sleep. It's a crazy image, man, of him rear naked choke Funaki. And Funaki's eyes roll in the back of his head and he goes unconscious, and Rickson just throws him offro-

Luis J. Gomez 41:21 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 41:21 ... and stands up. He was a savage.

Luis J. Gomez 41:23 It's awesome. I love it.

Joe Rogan 41:24 He is a savage.

Luis J. Gomez 41:24 I, I wish I got into it when I was younger. I'm too fat and old now. My kids do it.

Joe Rogan 41:28 Why are you not?

Luis J. Gomez 41:28 I just started-

Joe Rogan 41:28 That's nonsense. How old are you?

Luis J. Gomez 41:30 I just turned 37 yesterday.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Bourdain didn't start doing jujitsu till he was 58.

Luis J. Gomez 41:35 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Wrap your head around that shit.

Luis J. Gomez 41:37 You're right. There's, uh, what's his name? Uh, Al Bundy, right? He started late in life.

Joe Rogan 41:40 He did. Um, I don't think he ...

Luis J. Gomez 41:43 He was a Rickson Gracie student, I believe.

Joe Rogan 41:44 I believe he's Royce. I think he was from Torrance. So he was, um ... That was, uh, like, that's like Rener and Heron-

Luis J. Gomez 41:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:52 ... and ... Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 41:53 Yeah. You're right. I could.

Joe Rogan 41:54 And Forian.

Luis J. Gomez 41:55 Um, I'm just coming up with excuses (laughs) . I'm being a phony-

Joe Rogan 41:58 Yeah, man. You can do it. Totally do it.

Luis J. Gomez 41:59 I know.

Joe Rogan 41:59 I mean, if you trained for, um, a martial arts fight, you could train for jujitsu. It's a fun thing to learn, too, man.

Luis J. Gomez 42:03 Well, that's where I got injured the most, was doing jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Did you fuck up your shoulder? Is that what you're saying?

Luis J. Gomez 42:07 Yeah. My shoulder was dislocated six weeks before the fight. My hand was broken. Both of my ribs, to this day, they're just popping out. Like, it just ... Little ribs-

Joe Rogan 42:14 Mm-hmm. Cartilage tore. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 42:15 ... poking out in different directions, and it hurts-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 42:18 ... continuously.

Joe Rogan 42:18 The cartilage will tear and then the rib will l- heal up, like, sticking out a little bit.

Luis J. Gomez 42:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 42:23 And it was all doing ... It was all rolling jujitsu with guys who were just trying to kick your ass and just-

Joe Rogan 42:30 You shouldn't have that.

Luis J. Gomez 42:31 I know. I sh- I learned after the fact.

Joe Rogan 42:32 We talked about that.

Luis J. Gomez 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 We talked about that. You gotta be real careful.... with, uh, who you train with because, uh, someone who's really good can train with you and you don't get hurt.

Luis J. Gomez 42:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 You know? Like, if I roll with, uh, Jean-Jacques Machado, like, I n- I never get hurt. He ... Y- you know, I never win, but I, I never get hurt.

Luis J. Gomez 42:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:48 (laughs) You know? It's, uh, y- he's always in control. Like, you're ... And, and everything is ... Like, if you roll with a black belt, it's actually safer-

Luis J. Gomez 42:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 ... than rolling with, like, a really strong blue belt or a purple belt because they're just trying to kill you. They just want those, they want those tap points-

Luis J. Gomez 43:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:03 ... and they might be able to get you, especially if you're Luis J. Gomez from, uh, Legion of Skanks.

Luis J. Gomez 43:07 Of course.

Joe Rogan 43:08 And they know-

Luis J. Gomez 43:08 Bragging rights, baby boy.

Joe Rogan 43:09 They just wanna fucking get that arm triangle and squeeze the shit out of you. (growls)

Luis J. Gomez 43:13 Yeah. Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 43:15 See you tap.

Luis J. Gomez 43:16 I had a fucking wrestler, this big dickhead wrestler who was just like, he was like, "Oh, I'll show you how to wrestle a little, dude." He just grabbed me.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 43:22 And ... No, no, I'm sorry. He didn't grab me. This is, this is what a pussy I am. This is wh- how tough this fucking guy was. Huge guy, right, and just nasty, gnarled up ears.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Of course.

Luis J. Gomez 43:32 College wrestler, but a big, big boy. Like, heavy.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 43:36 Dude, I tried to take it ... He was showing me how to, like, pop up and take somebody down, and that's what I was trying to drill with him. We were drilling, dude. And every time I would do it, he would just not let me do it and just fucking flop me on my ass.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 43:47 And one time I tried to do it, and when I went to go take him down, he jerked me in the other direction, and my shoulder literally just popped out all together.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Ah.

Luis J. Gomez 43:54 All the way out. It was crazy. I was like, "There's no way."

Joe Rogan 43:57 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 43:57 It was, it was nuts. Um, you know, and everything hurt going into it. And, uh, Bisping, Bisping was like, dude, he, he was wrapping my hands in the back and my hand was throbbing. It was broken. It was just throbbing. And I was just over and over again rewrapping the hand. I was like, "Dude, it's not right. You gotta rewrap it a new way." And he's like, "Mate, shut the fuck up."

Joe Rogan 44:14 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 44:15 He's like, "You're not gonna feel anything. As soon as you walk out there, you're not gonna feel anything."

Joe Rogan 44:17 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 44:18 "Adrenaline's gonna kick in and that's that." And, uh-

Joe Rogan 44:21 When you're doing wrestling drills, that's when a lot of guys get really injured, and you gotta make sure you're doing them with people that understand that it's a drill and understand where your level's at.

Luis J. Gomez 44:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:29 That's what's going on with a guy like that. He's just flexing on you.

Luis J. Gomez 44:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:32 He's just beating on you-

Luis J. Gomez 44:33 Of course.

Joe Rogan 44:33 ... because he's probably done it a million times. He's done those drills probably a million times, but you've done them zero times. It's crazy. It's crazy that he would do that and go hard with you.

Luis J. Gomez 44:42 And wrestling sucks dick on so many levels.

Joe Rogan 44:45 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 44:45 Dawg, I, I tried to join the wrestling team because I was a pro wrestling fan when I was a kid. I was like-

Joe Rogan 44:48 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 44:48 ... "I wanna wrestle. I'm gonna wrestle." First of all, I saw a singlet, I was like, "That's not happening. My little fucking dick and flabby ass in a singlet?" It's like, you have to have a big dick and a nice butt in order to fucking wear a singlet. Sorry.

Joe Rogan 44:59 There's another quote. That's a meme right there. You have to have a big dick and a nice butt to wear a singlet.

Luis J. Gomez 45:03 To wear ... It's the truth. What do you want-

Joe Rogan 45:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 45:04 ... me to say? The, uh ... It's crazy. I, w- I'm in the ninth grade. I'm like, "I'm waiting for my dick to grow in still, okay? I'm not doing this for another couple of years." So, I joined for, like, a day and in my s- high school we had a pool, and it was like a heated pool for the swim team. I went to a pretty nice high school actually, and there was a ... They would make us run around the pool b- like, for like four miles before wrestling practice.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 45:27 Before. Before wrestling practice. It were, it was three miles total, whatever it was, and it was like a sauna. So you were doing like a hot warmup in a hot pool, and then you would start training. And yeah, two days later I was like, "Fuck this, dude."

Joe Rogan 45:41 And they beat your ass from wrestling. But that's what makes people so tough. That's why wrestlers are like mentally some of the toughest people alive.

Luis J. Gomez 45:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 They're, they're so used to that grind. They can, they, they, uh, they also take pleasure in suffering like no other sport. Like, they enjoy it.

Luis J. Gomez 45:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Like, they enjoy not being prima donnas like all the best wrestlers. If you, you go back and you look at like the history of amateur wrestling, they're all known as being like hard, hard men like Dan Gable. Dan Gable was a hard man.

Luis J. Gomez 46:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:08 You know, that motherfucker just trained his body into the ground. I think he's got two hip replacements, two knee replacements. Doesn't mean he just destroyed-

Luis J. Gomez 46:15 And they just keep going.

Joe Rogan 46:16 ... his body.

Luis J. Gomez 46:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Destroyed his body.

Luis J. Gomez 46:17 Keep going.

Joe Rogan 46:17 He was an animal. And he was just a des- he was just a, uh, unstoppable wrestler in his prime.

Luis J. Gomez 46:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:23 But that was part of it. It was that, that mental strength that those guys have at, at the highest level.

Luis J. Gomez 46:27 And a lot of those guys don't jump into it later, though. It's, it's also, as we're talking about-

Joe Rogan 46:31 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 46:31 ... beating your f- you know, kids-

Joe Rogan 46:33 Oh, yeah, man.

Luis J. Gomez 46:33 ... and turning them into pieces of shit. There's the other side of it as well where you have like ... It's, it's in their family.

Joe Rogan 46:37 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 46:37 It's their dad. They're doing it since they were four. Since they can, you know-

Joe Rogan 46:39 Sure.

Luis J. Gomez 46:39 ... crawl, they can ... They're, they're practicing takedowns. And that side of it, if you're, you know, in those formative years, if that's built into you, that toughness-

Joe Rogan 46:49 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 46:49 ... it's at a k- sort of cakewalk. I, I didn't have any. I mean, I, I did, I did Just for Fun baseball, and I wasn't even good at it. Like, I could barely hit it. It was a t- it was tee-ball. I could barely hit the ball. I was so unathletic and my mom ... There was no part of her that wanted to continue to push me to do those things. So if I said I didn't want to go to, to Just for Fun, she was, she was like, "All right, fuck it. I'm gonna take you."

Joe Rogan 47:09 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 47:09 And that was sort of, you know ...

Joe Rogan 47:10 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 47:11 Um, which I think is a, you know, a problem. But that, that ... I, I think it's really tough, and that's why guys ... You see guys like Georges St-Pierre who never did high school wrestling or, uh, college wrestling and then jumps into it after the fact and is like a phenom at it.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Yeah, but, but it makes sense. If you know who Georges is, it makes sense. The reason why it makes sense, there's two reasons. One, first of all, he was very athletic and he already had this leaping inability from karate. So he had this karate blitz ability.

Luis J. Gomez 47:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:37 When you're d- diving in like for, uh, a punch or a, a, like a straight blast or something like that, that's very similar to diving in for a takedown in terms of your ability to spring forward.

Luis J. Gomez 47:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:48 So Georges already had that with leaping in to punch or leaping in to kick. So he already had this ability to spring. Then, on top of that, Georges is super intelligent and he listens. He has zero ego.

Luis J. Gomez 48:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Like I've seen him be coached before. I, I, I've seen him-

Luis J. Gomez 48:03 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 48:03 ... like w- do jujitsu with like Danaher or like really elite high level guys. And there's a lot of ... There's videos of it online. He's very coachable. He listens to everything.

Luis J. Gomez 48:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:12 There's no ego. He's not trying to do it a different way. He's trying to listen to you 100%. Guys like that, they're ... It's a shorter path to understanding the technique and, and, and to proficiency-

Luis J. Gomez 48:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:23 ... because they, they listen.Some people don't all, they don't listen all the way. They listen a little bit, but then they wanna try it their way. Like, even when they're training and sparring you'll say, "Listen, listen, for this round I just want you to just try it this way. Just do this one thing." And they'll try it for a couple of seconds and then they'll give up and go back to the, their old style.

Luis J. Gomez 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:40 And you're like, "What happened?" Like, "Oh, I didn't feel comfortable." Like, that's the point. Like, this is how you get better. George is the opposite of that.

Luis J. Gomez 48:46 He's, he-

Joe Rogan 48:46 He, he listens.

Luis J. Gomez 48:47 Really coachable, I guess they say?

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 48:49 That's-

Joe Rogan 48:49 Just, he just understands that technique is everything. It's everything.

Luis J. Gomez 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:53 And if you under- ... If you, you could learn, like, two or three techniques and have a, like, a real high-level proficiency if you just continued to drill them and understand the counters. Like, it's not, he's not, like, doing a lot of, like, crazy shit inside the octagon when it comes to wrestling.

Luis J. Gomez 49:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:08 But, and not like a Ben Askren-type style.

Luis J. Gomez 49:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:10 But what he is doing is a power double. He's got awesome singles on both sides. He knows how to take people down, he knows how to stuff take-downs.

Luis J. Gomez 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Just those things alone, that's all he needed to impose his MMA game.

Luis J. Gomez 49:20 Yeah, George, uh, I mean, to this day one of my favorite fighters. Um, you know, uh, but yeah, he was sort of ... He always, like, stood out as the guy that, like, um, yeah, I mean, just didn't, you know-

Joe Rogan 49:34 Brilliant guy.

Luis J. Gomez 49:35 R- wrestled better than everybody without, you know, having to do that early on. Then a guy, you know, guys like Ben Askren, who, he's a fucking monster. I ... He's also hilarious, too. I think Ben Askren's so-

Joe Rogan 49:43 He's very funny.

Luis J. Gomez 49:44 ... so funny. He's, he's such a troll. I love, I love a guy who just doesn't shy away from it.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 49:50 Um, trolls his boss, trolls the, uh ... Still continues to this day.

Joe Rogan 49:54 Yeah, he trolls everybody.

Luis J. Gomez 49:54 Just makes a game out of it. It's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Yeah, he's a funny dude. Um, it, what also, what Georges St-Pierre has is, uh, extreme physical ability. Like, he can do backflips, he does a lot of fucking gymnastic stuff. He, he's just, he has, he can, he has excellent command over his body, which-

Luis J. Gomez 50:11 Yeah, that was-

Joe Rogan 50:11 ... technique aside, that's a-

Luis J. Gomez 50:12 You would see him, like, doing, like, those, like, gymnastic training things-

Joe Rogan 50:15 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 50:15 ... where he's, like, doing, like, super crazy, like, you know, core strength balance beam-type shit.

Joe Rogan 50:21 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 50:21 And, I mean, at that point once ... You don't, you never get to see all, really, the guys doing that. No other guys in the sport are, sort of, looking to y- ... It's another level of cross-training.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 50:30 And getting your body prepared for, like, something that it's not really prepared for.

Joe Rogan 50:33 Exactly.

Luis J. Gomez 50:34 And taking yourself out of your comfort zone. That's, that's, um, you know, one of the ... I just, I really wish I would've, when I was a kid, I wish I would've done more sports. I wish I would've had ... Well, did you play sports when you were a kid?

Joe Rogan 50:44 No.

Luis J. Gomez 50:44 You look like a baseball player job.

Joe Rogan 50:45 I did play baseball.

Luis J. Gomez 50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 And then I, I actually quit doing everything else but martial arts because of baseball. I went to see a Red Sox game at Fenway Park, and when, uh, me and my buddy were coming home there was, like, uh, crazy crowds of people trying to get on the T, which is the train to get home. So, um, we just, for ... While we were walking by this TaeKwonDo gym I, I walked upstairs, I wanted to see what it was all about. And as I was walking up the stairs there was this guy named John Lee, who was a national champion at the time, and one of the best black belts this guy, Jae Kim, uh, ever produced. And he was murdering this heavy bag. I mean, murdering it.

Luis J. Gomez 51:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:22 He was hitting it with these spinning back kicks that was making this sound, like, whoomp! And then you'd hear ka-chink! Where the chains would, would snap, 'cause, uh, I mean, the, just-

Luis J. Gomez 51:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:32 ... extend to their full length, 'cause he was kicking this bag and it was flying through the air. And so I'd never seen anything ... And I was, uh, as close to him doing that as Jamie is to me right now. 'Cause there was, like, a little wall and there was a heavy bag there.

Luis J. Gomez 51:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:44 And the way, uh, Mr. Kim and Mr. O'Malley, Michael O'Malley, who was also the, the head instructor while Mr. Kim was gone, they set up the bags right there. Because they knew that if people were coming in thinking about signing up, and a guy like John Lee's kicking the bag, you're like, "I wanna f- do that."

Luis J. Gomez 51:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:58 "How the fuck do you do that?"

Luis J. Gomez 51:59 Were you athletic at all grow-

Joe Rogan 52:01 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 52:01 Were you, you wrestled-

Joe Rogan 52:02 I wrestled. I wrestled, I did, um ... I wrestled also while I was doing TaeKwonDo for one year. It was too much to do two at the same time.

Luis J. Gomez 52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:08 But I did, uh, I played baseball, but I wasn't very good. I just, like, I never, ever tried to get on base. I always tried to hit home runs. The coach said, "Just hit a single, just hit a single, we really need this." I'm like, "Yeah, yeah. Fuck you."

Luis J. Gomez 52:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:20 I got there, swing for the bleachers.

Luis J. Gomez 52:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:22 I didn't give a fuck, man. I either struck out or I hit a home run.

Luis J. Gomez 52:25 Uh, trying to, trying to finger bang a chick at the pepper alley.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 52:28 Listen-

Joe Rogan 52:28 I hit one home run once and that was it. I was like, "Oh, I can do that?" Like, "I didn't know I could do that." 'Cause as a little kid I, I could swing pretty hard. I, and, you know, they're, they're light bats and the kids aren't throwing very fast.

Luis J. Gomez 52:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Everybody else is 13 too. You know, and, but from going to that one TaeKwonDo gym, watching that one guy-

Luis J. Gomez 52:49 You were-

Joe Rogan 52:49 ... he became, like, a mentor to me in a lot of ways.

Luis J. Gomez 52:51 And you went back to that gym specifically? That was the one?

Joe Rogan 52:53 100%. I was like, I never saw anything like that. I had done a little bit of martial arts by then, I did a little bit of karate, but not much. And, but I never saw anybody kick a bag. The karate school that I went to, they didn't emphasize that, which it's a very, very important part of developing power.

Luis J. Gomez 53:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:07 You have to be able to kick a bag.

Luis J. Gomez 53:08 I don't think I, there was any bags in the TaeKwonDo school that I went to when I was a kid.

Joe Rogan 53:12 To have to have that. It's, it's a foolish mistake that a lot of gyms make. They emphasize, uh, speed and, uh, like, kicking pads over power.

Luis J. Gomez 53:22 Why not kick a ... Just-

Joe Rogan 53:22 You have to have power.

Luis J. Gomez 53:22 ... kick a board.

Joe Rogan 53:23 You have to have power.

Luis J. Gomez 53:23 Or just break some ice?

Joe Rogan 53:24 No.

Luis J. Gomez 53:24 That's it.

Joe Rogan 53:24 You gotta hit a bag. You gotta hit a b- ... 'Cause the bag resists. If it's 100 pounds you gotta realize that you're not just hitting this thing, you're also pushing 100 pounds with your foot. You're pushing 100 pounds with your foot. So if you're standing in front of a he- a 100-pound bag and you go wa-bam, you're not just hitting it hard. You're moving 100 pounds with your hips and your legs-

Luis J. Gomez 53:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... and your abs and your core. That's, that's how you can develop-

Luis J. Gomez 53:48 Resistance training.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 53:49 Yeah, you're actually getting a, a real-

Joe Rogan 53:51 You, it's a plyo, there's actual physical resistance in terms of weight. And that's how you get stronger. It's the only way. It's the only way you really develop, like, destruction power, like, that some people have.

Luis J. Gomez 54:01 Can you do that, though? I don't ... 'Cause that's the, the whole thing where I l- ... 'Cause I was researching, like, how do you, how do you hit harder? How do you hit-

Joe Rogan 54:07 You can't hit harder, you can't hit as hard as some people.

Luis J. Gomez 54:10 Do you think that you can teach a guy to have knockout power?

Joe Rogan 54:13 Like a guy like Francis Ngannou. No. You either have it or you don't. I think you can increase someone's power, and most people can knock people out. Most people.... if you taught them where to hit someone and they hit someone clean, they could hurt someone, especially most men who actually know how to punch a little bit.

Luis J. Gomez 54:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:29 But there's a big difference between that kind of punching power and, say, like, a Tommy Hearns in his prime-

Luis J. Gomez 54:34 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 ... punching power. Or, uh, you know, a Lennox Lewis straight right hand. Like, just, you, you don't, you don't have that, man.

Luis J. Gomez 54:41 No.

Joe Rogan 54:41 You either have that or you don't have that. And some people just... I saw guys that were, like, fucking 15 and they had that. It was crazy. You'd watch guys that, like, at a young age, they would hit a pad or hit a bag and you'd be like, "Fuck, this is crazy. Like, how do you have so much power?"

Luis J. Gomez 54:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:56 And you don't know why.

Luis J. Gomez 54:57 You don't know the str-... You don't... They could be any si-... Well, actually, it's, uh, like, we ADD'd that story. But I was saying, when we did that promotion in the street in New York City-

Joe Rogan 55:03 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 55:03 ... where we put the headgear on and the gloves, uh, a little Mexican kid comes up.

Joe Rogan 55:07 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 55:08 Doggy.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Uh-oh. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 55:09 This kid was 123 pounds, soaking wet. Little Mexican kid comes up. And I'm like... I'm, I'm my size. You know, I'm 20 at the time, maybe 21 or whatever. But I'm just, like, you know... And by the way, I had never thrown a punch in my life. Now that I actually watch fighting and understand it a little bit as a fan, like, I had... I didn't know how to stand. I had no idea. Dude, this Mexican kid, he came up, he just faked a body shot and hit me with a hook. And I remember it, it felt like... 'Cause there was no adrenaline. It was a game for me. It wasn't like, you know... It felt like my head was shook. It felt like my entire... I had never been hit so hard. To this day, I've never been hit so hard in my entire life, dude.

Joe Rogan 55:47 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 55:47 I took a knee. I literally took a knee and that's all I remember. I don't even know what happened after that.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 55:53 That kid just went off being awesome.

Joe Rogan 55:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 55:55 And I... And then I remember thinking... 'Cause I was like, "I wanna box. I wanna get into boxing. That'll be fun." And that was the moment I was like, "I'm not gonna box. I'm too big." The, the way that kid hit me, the way that felt, no fucking way. No way. If a 230-pound guy-

Joe Rogan 56:11 Ooh.

Luis J. Gomez 56:12 ... were to hit me like-

Joe Rogan 56:13 Especially if you went to the wrong gym and they had you sparring right away, which a lot of gyms do.

Luis J. Gomez 56:17 Dude.

Joe Rogan 56:18 They'll throw guys to the wolves just to see if they're worth keeping around. They'll try you, like, right out of the street. They'll thr- show you a few punches, have you hit the pads a little bit, tell you to keep your hands up, and then they'll have you spar. I've seen it happen, man.

Luis J. Gomez 56:30 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Like, no ex-... Just, just to let you know. And sometimes, you know, you, you'll be sparring with a pro, so they won't hurt you. They just pop you a little bit. Pop, pop to the body. Pop. Just trying to get some work in, you know? Just looking for a easy target.

Luis J. Gomez 56:42 That's what I do with my girlfriend when we box.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Uh-huh.

Luis J. Gomez 56:44 Just fucking bop, bop.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Just, just touch.

Luis J. Gomez 56:46 Just touch. Let her know. Let her know, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 56:48 Just let her know.

Luis J. Gomez 56:49 "... it could be worse."

Joe Rogan 56:50 Boxing is... The problem with it as a casual thing, though, is the punches that don't even hurt you, they just r- rattle your head a little, those all count. All, all those count. And those are probably sometimes worse.

Luis J. Gomez 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Because there's so many of them, you don't even notice. Like, if you get hit with one big shot, you'll stop. Like, your, your head gets rattled, you get a headache, you sit down, you're like, "Oh, fuck." But you'll stop. If you get hit a few times, you treat it like it's nothing. You just get popped a few times.

Luis J. Gomez 57:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:16 You're in there, you get hit.

Luis J. Gomez 57:18 30 seconds later, you got a bloody nose.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:19 Your lip's bleeding a little now.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:20 You got something over your eye.

Joe Rogan 57:21 You don't think about it, but you got hit in the head 30 times.

Luis J. Gomez 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Like, you never got dropped, so you're like, "I'm fine. I didn't take any damage." But you did. You just don't... You don't think of that as damage. And now they're understanding that that is... As much of what you're seeing from CTE is that subconcussive trauma, probably more so because it's so frequent.

Luis J. Gomez 57:37 Yeah, well, over and over again.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Yeah, man.

Luis J. Gomez 57:39 You know?

Joe Rogan 57:39 They say everything, man. Dr. Mark Gordon said, fucking, uh, jet skis. He said the banging of jet skis (imitates banging) when you're humping away. He's like, "That's terrible for your fucking head." Like, how about Angus Young from AC/DC? I'd like to do an I2- IQ test on that fucking savage.

Luis J. Gomez 57:55 Just, just, just fucking banging his head in and kicking his leg out?

Joe Rogan 57:58 And, and, uh, I'd like to do an MRI to see, like, how maybe his... The fibers of his brain strengthened from 100 years of headbanging.

Luis J. Gomez 58:04 Maybe. I used to go to, like, metal concerts and go to mosh pits. I was, like, a big metal head when I was a kid. And, uh, yeah, we would just fucking...

Joe Rogan 58:11 Yeah, you get brain damage.

Luis J. Gomez 58:12 You just go in there and start swinging your hands, get punched, get... And you're, you're right. You don't think about it. The amount of, like... Just headbanging.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:18 Just banging your head over and over again, your brain is just smacking into the front of your fucking face over and over and over again.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Give me some AC/DC, Jamie.

Narrator 58:25 I'm looking right now. He's not headbanging though.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Angus would, on stage, play and headbang at the same time.

Luis J. Gomez 58:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Like, try rubbing the top of your head-

Luis J. Gomez 58:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:35 ... and your stomach at the same time. You know how you do that?

Luis J. Gomez 58:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Now imagine patting your head and im- imag- now imagine trying to play guitar and headbang at the same time.

Luis J. Gomez 58:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 And then catch all the tunes. Fuck.

Luis J. Gomez 58:49 I, I was in a band when I was in high school too. I played drums. That was, uh... Yeah, we all-

Joe Rogan 58:54 It is.

Luis J. Gomez 58:54 I think we all wanted to be... We all wanted to be rock stars. Did you want to be a rock star when you were a kid or...

Joe Rogan 58:58 Nope.

Luis J. Gomez 58:58 Nope?

Joe Rogan 58:59 No.

Luis J. Gomez 58:59 Never played... No... Any... No music?

Joe Rogan 59:00 No. No. No musical talent whatsoever. Look at these... All these groupie chicks from the '70s. Hilarious. Look at them. So, Angus Young-

Luis J. Gomez 59:13 Why don't we hear any Me Too stories about, like, even though with the... We were talking about Mötley Crüe a second ago. How are we not hearing, like, crazy Me Too stories about shit with, like, rock bands in the '80s and '70s?

Joe Rogan 59:24 I think 'cause everybody knew what they were getting into.

Luis J. Gomez 59:27 I think they knew what they were getting into a lot of the times now.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 59:30 But it's just... You think that at least somebody would want to come out and go like, "Oh, just so you know, uh, Guns N' Roses ran a train on me in 1987."

Joe Rogan 59:38 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 59:39 "Just FYI. And I was really intoxicated."

Joe Rogan 59:41 Maybe it's a different time, like, those ladies had a different approach to things. I don't know.

Luis J. Gomez 59:48 Look, I... They were there for... The memory. I think for... The reality is most people, they sort of go like, "All right. Well, I'm respon-... I am responsible for my actions." That's where most people... I don't think most people actually have a victim mentality when they look at stupid shit that they've done in their youth.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:04 I think most people go like, "Ah, I was a fucking idiot. I shouldn't have done that. There's a lot of shit I shouldn't have done."

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 There's both things, right? There's... Some people don't have a victim mentality, and then there's also some people who just became victims back then, and they just didn't have a way to express it like they do now.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 There's a different... Like-It's, it was a completely different world 20, 30 years ago.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:28 Yeah, how would you even start to get the message out that you were a Me Too in 1981? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Yeah. I mean, what-

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:34 Are you gonna write a letter to a publicist?

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Right, what would you do? What would you do if you got ... if someone sexually assaulted you in 1981, what would you do? I mean-

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:43 Go to the cops.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Yeah. You'd have to go to the cops.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:44 Try to call a newspaper, maybe?

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 They would... You know, if, if the, the guy was a rich guy, turn his lawyers on you. Yeah, different world. It's all ... It's ... I mean, I'm, uh, of the Steven Pinker view of, uh, progress that I, I think that although the world is not perfect, I think it's just way better than it's ever been before.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:05 It is