Joe Rogan Experience #1277 - Gabrielle Reece

1. 0:00 – 2:12

   Social media honesty, nuance, and avoiding the comment wars

   1. GRGabrielle Reece0:00

      ... all.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Two, one, and we're live. Hello, Gabby.

   3. GRGabrielle Reece0:09

      Hello. How are you, Joe?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Good. Thanks for being here. I appreciate it.

   5. GRGabrielle Reece0:12

      Thank you for having me. You're looking well.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Thank you. You are as well. I, uh, I really enjoy following you on Instagram. You, you have a very positive Instagram page. It's full of-

   7. GRGabrielle Reece0:19

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... information. It's beneficial. It's great stuff.

   9. GRGabrielle Reece0:22

      Thanks. I, uh, you know, I, I'm, I feel like I'm trying to figure that out. Like, for a younger person, it's like, "Oh, yeah. Well, this is how you do it." And for me, I'm like, "Well, what do you really wanna say?" And I don't know. I, I think sometimes I, I would like to take more chances, but I do play it probably safe.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       How so? Like, in what way?

   11. GRGabrielle Reece0:41

       Mm. I try to be pretty honest, but sometimes you're always very aware that you just... I'm not interested in getting roasted or spending a lot of time and energy in a, a hassle with somebody.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Mm.

   13. GRGabrielle Reece0:53

       So I think when I'm doing it, I'm as honest as I can be, but I'm, it's also I'm aware of that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       What do you hold back on? Like, what kind of stuff?

   15. GRGabrielle Reece1:03

       I think for me it would just maybe just be more, even maybe more direct.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Mm.

   17. GRGabrielle Reece1:08

       But you're, you know, I think it, when you're try, when you sort of say, "Okay, I'm gonna occupy this space professionally," that, um, feels good to me, and like, I want it to be overall pretty positive. You know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah.

   19. GRGabrielle Reece1:22

       Like if you're selling something, like maybe I like to try to sell something positive, but hopefully towards the honest a little bit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Right.

   21. GRGabrielle Reece1:28

       And sometimes when you're doing that, you're also aware that, like, you're not as harsh as sometimes your inner voice is. And so you go, "Well, am I not being as completely honest and transparent because I don't really wanna deal with it?" And I, so I'm just saying, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       'Cause you don't wanna deal with feedback comments?

   23. GRGabrielle Reece1:47

       Yeah, and it's, and it's also just people who are frustrated or, or, or also they're not getting maybe the nuance or the subtlety of what I'm trying to say. Let's just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Mm.

   25. GRGabrielle Reece1:56

       ... say that social media is not the place for-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       Subtlety and nuance.

   27. GRGabrielle Reece2:00

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       Not in the comments, for sure, right?

   29. GRGabrielle Reece2:02

       Right. So I just, I, I wanna do stuff that seems like, that seems authentic, you know, pretty real, but hopefully skewed towards, like, either fun or something positive.

2. 2:12 – 4:57

   Podcast listening skills and why Joe lets guests talk

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Mm. One of the things that I've recognized from doing a podcast is that, uh, some of the frustration when people do lash out-

   2. GRGabrielle Reece2:20

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      ... and you're like, "This is, like, out of proportion," some of it is due to the fact that it's very frustrating to just not be a part of the conversation if you disagree with... So, like, when you're listening to just the fundamental-

   4. GRGabrielle Reece2:32

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      The, the s- the act of listening to someone have a conversation and something comes up and you're like, "But what about that?"

   6. GRGabrielle Reece2:38

      That's a great point.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      Or, "Why don't you say that?" And it's like this, you, you get stuck-

   8. GRGabrielle Reece2:42

      Yeah, it's a great point.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      ... and you get angry. So then you leave a shitty comment.

   10. GRGabrielle Reece2:44

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       I'm like, "God, that guy's a dick." But it's-

   12. GRGabrielle Reece2:46

       It's a great point.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       ... his frustration of not being able to communicate.

   14. GRGabrielle Reece2:49

       Interject. It's like your kid who would be like, "Hey, hey, hey," and they never get to butt in.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. GRGabrielle Reece2:53

       Yeah, that's a great point. I think you've probably been tempered by doing this and have probably looked at it from a lot of different points of view 'cause you have to.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Yeah, you have to. I've tried.

   18. GRGabrielle Reece3:05

       No, it's, it's been interesting to, like, watch you over the years. I think what's interesting is watching you have an interesting place where you keep your own, you sort of keep a level of neutrality even though you have an opinion. So you let other people express themselves whether it's about a religion or vaccination or whatever. I think that that, uh, it's been interesting to see, like, you develop that skill even more.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       Well, it's hard for people to express themselves as it is. Like, live on a podcast is difficult. It's harder still if you don't allow them to, if you interject, and you know as well as I, we all know that when someone, when you have something you're trying to say and then someone talks over you, it's fucking frustrating. And when you're trying to formulate these words, then someone butts in and then you lose it, it's hard. So that's one of the key skills of learning how to communicate with people that I think a lot of people lose, is the ability to listen. You know, and also you have to have a good enough memory so you can hold onto what you're going to say and then allow this person to elaborate on their thoughts. And then when you give them the respect and all- allow them to elaborate on their thoughts, hopefully they'll return that favor and they'll allow you to elaborate on your thoughts, and then you get a much more balanced conversation. But there's so many people talking where they're just talking over each other and shutting each other down or taking the conversation into a, a, a weird place. It's just, um, the only way to find out how someone feels about something is to let them exp- express themselves.

   20. GRGabrielle Reece4:33

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       And if people get mad that I don't push back, it's like, that's not always the best way to find out how a person feels. You gotta let them, let them talk.

   22. GRGabrielle Reece4:42

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       I wanna know, I wanna know the whole thing. I wanna know as far into this as you can tell me, why you think this.

   24. GRGabrielle Reece4:51

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Like instead of me just saying, "No, you're wrong," I wanna, I want you to explain it to me. I wanna know whether or not I trust your process.

3. 4:57 – 15:37

   Family dynamics: raising daughters, marriage diplomacy, and the ‘man cave’

   1. GRGabrielle Reece4:57

      Do you bring that skill home with you?

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:59

      Yeah. I try.

   3. GRGabrielle Reece5:00

      I mean, you're surrounded by women.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:01

      It's tough. It's tough, bro. (laughs)

   5. GRGabrielle Reece5:03

      (laughs) I, I, I'm serious. Like, sometimes, 'cause I even see it with my own husband. We have three daughters, but I mean, especially, you know, when you have a pretty masculine male, I'm always fascinated to watch them navigate their home e- when they're surrounded by women. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      I just give up most of the time.

   7. GRGabrielle Reece5:22

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      I lose every argument. Um, I think, um, you know, I tried to, we communicate a lot, a lot of talking, a lot of, even if they get upset-

   9. GRGabrielle Reece5:32

      A lot of feelings. A lot of feelings. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       Yeah, I try to, with girls it's always, they're always things they're crying about and like, "Okay, okay, okay. We're gonna be fine." And, you know, I don't want them to be like me. I want them to be themselves and I want them to be girls. I want them to be able to be themselves. I don't want them to mirror my resilience, you know? I want them to be vulnerable if they wanna be vulnerable. But it's, uh, in terms of like how I decorate the house or any, I don't have no say.

   11. GRGabrielle Reece5:57

       Oh, no. That's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       I've got nothing.

   13. GRGabrielle Reece5:58

       You know, that's why you have, you know-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       I have this place.

   15. GRGabrielle Reece6:01

       I was gonna say, you have your, your cave here. Laird has a barn.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       Perfect, see?

   17. GRGabrielle Reece6:05

       And he, you know, when he meets young guys getting married, he goes, "Here, I'm gonna teach you." Okay, you're right, honey. I'm sorry.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       (laughs)

   19. GRGabrielle Reece6:11

       And, oh yes, whatever color you choose, you know. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       It doesn't always work. Some people, it's never enough. But if you have-

   21. GRGabrielle Reece6:17

       Well, that's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       ... the right relationship, sometimes it'll work that way. 'Cause I don't give a fuck what my house looks like. I really don't.

   23. GRGabrielle Reece6:22

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Do I have a good view? Where's the coffee?

   25. GRGabrielle Reece6:24

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Okay. We're good.

   27. GRGabrielle Reece6:25

       Well, yeah. Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Is that grill work? Yeah.

   29. GRGabrielle Reece6:27

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Okay. How's the bed? That's a good bed. Do we have a TV? Where's the TV? Is it a good one? Oh, it's a good TV.
4. 15:37 – 21:07

   Island life realities: Kauai’s beauty, isolation, boredom, and substance abuse

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      Well, I've b- I've been really fascinated by the life that you guys live in Hawaii. That-

   2. GRGabrielle Reece15:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      ... y- it's... Because I've always had this, like, idealized ide- like, one day, like m- move to the Big Island, just chill on the side of a mountain, stop fucking around, fly out to do gigs, but live out there where everything's just g- more relaxed.

   4. GRGabrielle Reece15:56

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      You know? Is it okay?

   6. GRGabrielle Reece15:58

      You know, i- there's a lot going on and like, the Big Island is obviously big.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      That's a city.

   8. GRGabrielle Reece16:03

      Yeah. No, it's big.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      Almo- well, not the Big Island or whatever. Hawaii.

   10. GRGabrielle Reece16:05

       Yeah, Oahu has... It's sort of like LA on the beach, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Yeah.

   12. GRGabrielle Reece16:09

       ... you know, there's a couple things. I think because it is a primal environment, like we live on Kauai, which is pr- pretty heavy duty as far as, um... It's quiet, there's not a lot of distraction. There's a really im- heavy duty nature and, um... And so I... and I grew up in- in St. Thomas on the Virgin Islands, so I was used to kind of being on an island, but it... You're- you're with yourself a lot. So if you have things to do that are, you know, productive, then it's perfect. Um, but what you have to always calibrate is like, um, the downtime or it... Like, it's been raining off and on for like over a year on Kauai.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Whoa.

   14. GRGabrielle Reece16:52

       Yeah. So after a while, it'll be like Seattle in that way, where people... it starts getting heavy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       But it's sunny too, right?

   16. GRGabrielle Reece16:58

       It can be. And-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       That's the weirdest thing about the islands-

   18. GRGabrielle Reece17:01

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       ... is that there's different climates on this island. Like the Big Island has desert.

   20. GRGabrielle Reece17:07

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       It has tropical rainforest.

   22. GRGabrielle Reece17:09

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       It has a volcano.

   24. GRGabrielle Reece17:11

       It-

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       It has all this shit. It has snow.

   26. GRGabrielle Reece17:12

       It has every... I think it has every, uh, weather, um, climate except arctic. I believe at least Maui and the Big Island have sort of every type of climate.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:24

       It's crazy that just a little bit further down, it'll be different. It'll be raining constantly.

   28. GRGabrielle Reece17:28

       Yeah. I- exactly. Or you just go to the other side and it's completely dry.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Yeah.

   30. GRGabrielle Reece17:31

       Or they have dwarf trees 'cause they never see the sun, but then they're, you know, s- 200 feet w- in the places that it's sunny. It's- it's pretty trippy.
5. 21:07 – 23:40

   Hawaii’s distinct island cultures and local rules (Molokai, Niihau, Maui’s growth)

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      Well, uh, so there's, well, there's, you say there's 70,000 people on the island?

   2. GRGabrielle Reece21:11

      On Kauai, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:11

      Wow.

   4. GRGabrielle Reece21:11

      Kauai's probably the least, uh, inhabited... It's the oldest island, so it has the most erosion, largest beaches. Um, and that's where Laird grew up. And it's a, it's a-

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:23

      Wow.

   6. GRGabrielle Reece21:23

      ... it's a really...

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:26

      Lanai's the least inhabited of the islands, isn't it?

   8. GRGabrielle Reece21:27

      Well, yeah, I mean-

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:28

      Or Molokai? Molokai?

   10. GRGabrielle Reece21:28

       ... I don't, it's not that I don't count it, yeah, I mean of the bigger islands.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Right, right, right.

   12. GRGabrielle Reece21:32

       Yeah, Molokai, man, you wouldn't, you don't, you don't mess with Molokai.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:35

       No?

   14. GRGabrielle Reece21:35

       No. That's like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       Why?

   16. GRGabrielle Reece21:36

       ... that's like, you, you, you gotta ask permission to go hang out over there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       Really?

   18. GRGabrielle Reece21:41

       Well, kinda. Yeah, it's cool though, 'cause it's like if, you know, if they're like, "No, you gotta, you can't, you're out, you gotta go." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       Really?

   20. GRGabrielle Reece21:48

       Totally.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       So is it-

   22. GRGabrielle Reece21:49

       It's great.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       Is, so it's just the people that live there? You can't, like-

   24. GRGabrielle Reece21:52

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:52

       ... move to Molokai?

   26. GRGabrielle Reece21:53

       Yeah, I mean like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       (clears throat)

   28. GRGabrielle Reece21:54

       ... you know, uh, Eddie Vedder has a place on Molokai.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       Does he?

   30. GRGabrielle Reece21:57

       Yep, and he has had for many, many years, but I think he probably asked if that was gonna be cool.
6. 23:40 – 26:43

   Big-wave surfing mindset and Laird Hamilton’s lifelong pursuit

   1. GRGabrielle Reece23:40

      I lived there for 13 y- years with Laird.

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:42

      Did you?

   3. GRGabrielle Reece23:42

      Yeah, there was a wave there that Laird was having a love affair with for many years, so we lived there-

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:47

      (laughs)

   5. GRGabrielle Reece23:47

      ... uh, with, you know, so he could be close to his girlfriend, for sure.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:50

      That's so strange.

   7. GRGabrielle Reece23:51

      It i- no, every boy needs his, their girlfriend.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:53

      Every boy needs a wave.

   9. GRGabrielle Reece23:54

      They do. Well, a girl... You know, just something... That's what I always s- think is kind of natural is, uh, at least for my experience, is like, uh, I don't know if you ever go through this when you go home. I'll s- Laird'll go out and surf for many hours. Like he can go out for five hours at a time and, if there's surf. And he comes home, and I see how happy he is, like to see us.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:17

       Mm.

   11. GRGabrielle Reece24:17

       Like he loves us. He's like, "Oh, my girls," you know? And then about, uh, I don't know, seven and a half, eight minutes in...... he, he starts to get this look on his face like, "Oh, yeah, I'm in the house, like-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:28

       (laughs)

   13. GRGabrielle Reece24:28

       "... with the family."

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       (laughs)

   15. GRGabrielle Reece24:30

       You know? I wanted to do a book years ago called Death by Domestication, because it's like how does, how do, how does he manage both of those sides. Like, "I need to go, I need to be free. I need to, you know, chase things and, like, scare myself and do all this stuff." And then, you know, comes home and is like, you know, on the floor laying, you know, with one of my daughters and, and being attentive and a great husband and all these things. But I always get amused a little bit by the push-pull.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:58

       Yeah. Well, especially I think with B- the big wave surfer mindset.

   17. GRGabrielle Reece25:03

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:03

       Like a, a type of person... Those are, like, some of the freest, wildest humans on the planet. It's a very unusual group of people that rides giant waves of water on the top of the ocean. I mean, that's a, that's a crazy thing to do to your time too. (laughs) If you really stop and think about it...

   19. GRGabrielle Reece25:20

       I try not to think too much about it 'cause I did marry him, but-

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       (laughs)

   21. GRGabrielle Reece25:24

       ... I... There is some stuff. I mean, and, and weirdly, you know, he's been doing this so long that you realize hi- he's actually even more different than some of the other guys, because if you think about it, he's sustained doing this for f- right now 40 years.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       Wow.

   23. GRGabrielle Reece25:41

       So he's a guy who he has both. So what he wants to do is ride a huge wave during the day and then be with his family at night. And sometimes, you know, it would take going, you know, halfway around the globe or whatever. And so I think the pursuit, and they have to wait a lot, that's the other thing. These things don't come around that often.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       Right.

   25. GRGabrielle Reece26:03

       Um, it's, it's very interesting (clears throat) to live with because, um, there's a, there's a little bit of suffering that goes on. And sometimes Laird will say to me, 'cause he's aware of time going by, he'll be like, "You know, I have a lot more waves I need to ride." And I'm like, "I know." Like, it's a pretty deep, uh, calling. And now that... I mean, he's been foiling for 25 years, but now that they are getting that equipment better, it's sort of like now we can ride places that we couldn't ride, that were not really attractive for riding on top of the surface of the water, even if you towed it. So now it's opened up a whole other pursuit for him. Um, yeah, it's very... I, I don't know-

7. 26:43 – 31:40

   Hydrofoils explained: riding underwater energy, speed, and new frontiers

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:43

      What, what has changed?

   2. GRGabrielle Reece26:43

      ... why you would go towards that though.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:45

      (laughs)

   4. GRGabrielle Reece26:46

      Like, Laird has put me on a ski in front of a wave that's like 60 feet.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:49

      (laughs) Right.

   6. GRGabrielle Reece26:51

      And, like, being on the back of a ski with him driving, there's a moment where you go, okay, I actually... And I'm sure you've experienced this with other friends that take you maybe on a flying or something. He is... This is what he does, right? So I'm like, "Okay, I trust him more than I'm afraid. That's fine. I can do that, and I'm gonna surrender to that. I'm not gonna torture myself the whole time. I'm just gonna trust him." And you turn, and there's a six-story building behind you moving.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:17

      (gasps) .

   8. GRGabrielle Reece27:18

      And you just think, "Who would... Who... Like, well, how is that fun?"

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:23

      (laughs)

   10. GRGabrielle Reece27:23

       You know? Like, how is saying, like, (claps hands) "I'm gonna actively ride that." Um, but now with the foils, because they're actually catching the energy below the surface of the water, so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:36

       What are the foils? I'm not familiar with those.

   12. GRGabrielle Reece27:38

       So they have these things called hydrofoils. So originally, there was a guy named Mike Murphy who created something called the AirChair. And they were, they've been putting foils on ski, like, water skis in different funky ways, like even in the '50s. So Laird and his friends got an AirChair and cut the chair off, and put a snowboard boots, uh, bindings, quick release. So you'd stand on it, you're booted in, and below is this... basically a mini airplane with a strut. So, for example, yeah, there's a shot of one, and this is a smaller one. Jamie, do you have any ones of the big, with the boots?

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:12

       Yeah.

   14. GRGabrielle Reece28:13

       I think Laird-

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:13

       So this is what people are using? Well, I've never even se- Yeah. You... Do you know what, about this? Mm-hmm. I've seen it. Wow.

   16. GRGabrielle Reece28:19

       He knows about everything. What're you talking about?

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:21

       He does. He knows a lot.

   18. GRGabrielle Reece28:21

       He's plugged in.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:22

       He's plugged in. Look at him.

   20. GRGabrielle Reece28:24

       Do you have a girlfriend?

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       (laughs) I'm busy. Whoa, what happened to this dude's head?

   22. GRGabrielle Reece28:29

       Oh, yeah. So there's Laird on the left, obviously. So you see how he... there in the boots? And also, uh, he... the reason he looks so puffy is he has flotation underneath his, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       Oh, wow.

   24. GRGabrielle Reece28:39

       ... wetsuit, so if you hit your head or what have you. But it's basically a miniature airplane underneath the surface. And if he gets into trouble, if they wiped out, um, they have a quick release. But now they've gotten this developed so that he can do it, uh, without the boots, 'cause that adds an element of danger that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:00

       'Cause you're strapped in.

   26. GRGabrielle Reece29:01

       You're strapped in, and your strut is, you know, four feet long, uh, you know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       Wow. That's so strange looking.

   28. GRGabrielle Reece29:09

       Yeah. S- but it's-

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       And what's going on below the surface? Can we, can we take a quick look there?

   30. GRGabrielle Reece29:11

       So there's a miniature airplane. Do you have... Jamie, do you have any pictures of it f- flipped up? I'm sure if you look on Laird's stuff, you can see the bottom. It's like a miniature airplane because water is denser than air, so it's sort of like a m- a miniature plane.
8. 31:40 – 36:17

   Sharks, fear, and ocean risk: myths, stories, and cage-diving debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:40

      Is... When, when you're f- riding that thing and there's the little airplane under the water-

   2. GRGabrielle Reece31:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:47

      ... is there any risk of something thinking that airplane is a fish?

   4. GRGabrielle Reece31:51

      Um, y- y- no. Animals are pretty smart.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:54

      Are they?

   6. GRGabrielle Reece31:55

      Yeah. I don't, I think, I mean, I know sharks don't have great vision. And, um, I think Laird has, uh, you know, hit, uh, a hone- a turtle, l- you know, not d- done anything-

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:05

      Accidentally.

   8. GRGabrielle Reece32:05

      ... but like grazed it or something.

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:07

      Mm-hmm.

   10. GRGabrielle Reece32:07

       But those animals are pretty smart.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       Well, but I was thinking of sharks.

   12. GRGabrielle Reece32:11

       No, that's what I mean. I-

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       Or like, uh, maybe, uh, um, a marlin thinks it's a fish because of its jacket.

   14. GRGabrielle Reece32:16

       Yeah, I don't think, I don't think they wanna have anything to do with that thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       No?

   16. GRGabrielle Reece32:20

       Just the speed and the shape. And also, a lot of those animals don't want to get in that turbulent-

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Uh.

   18. GRGabrielle Reece32:26

       It's still near a wave.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:27

       Mm-hmm.

   20. GRGabrielle Reece32:28

       But you know what? Uh, maybe, uh, you never know, and if I hear of a story, I will definitely call you and tell you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       (laughs) Please do.

   22. GRGabrielle Reece32:34

       'Cause I'll be like, "A marlin came up." But those guys are smart. All those animals, you know-

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:39

       Marlins are smart?

   24. GRGabrielle Reece32:40

       Well, I mean, they n- usually, I know sharks, again, don't have great sight. But they're not like, "Huh." I think they understand what's f- most times what's food, obviously shiny things and things like that. But...

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:52

       But there are instances of people getting hit by sharks, right? And Hawaii's a big one-

   26. GRGabrielle Reece32:57

       Ah-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:57

       ... isn't it? Is it surfers usually or swimmers?

   28. GRGabrielle Reece32:58

       Yeah, I mean, Australia is worse-

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       Yeah, that's the worst, right?

   30. GRGabrielle Reece33:00

       ... as far as like more, and South Africa's really-
9. 36:17 – 39:04

   Orcas, captivity ethics, and ‘Blackfish’—how documentaries shift culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:17

      Did you hear that Canada, um, has, they're banning whale and dolphin captivity?

   2. GRGabrielle Reece36:23

      I think it's great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:24

      I think it's great too.

   4. GRGabrielle Reece36:25

      I-

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:25

      It, it apparently just passed.

   6. GRGabrielle Reece36:27

      I mean, how about Blackfish, one documentary-

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:29

      Yeah.

   8. GRGabrielle Reece36:30

      And it, like, kinda st- I think initiated a movement.

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:33

      Oh, for sure.

   10. GRGabrielle Reece36:34

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       Well, people didn't know. They needed to-

   12. GRGabrielle Reece36:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:36

       They needed to see it in a digestible form instead of having to go seek it out and read articles about it and news reports. Instead of that, they get to see it-

   14. GRGabrielle Reece36:43

       Yeah. There it is.

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:44

       ... in a very digestible form. And you go, "Oh my God, this is chaos. This is horrible."

   16. GRGabrielle Reece36:47

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:47

       "This is a tr- this is an atrocity." You're taking these incredible animals that are probably some of the most magnificent creatures that evolution has ever created, and you're putting them in a fish tank. You're putting them in a swimming pool.

   18. GRGabrielle Reece36:59

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:00

       Their, their fins go limp.

   20. GRGabrielle Reece37:01

       Well, yeah, that's the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:02

       That's crazy.

   22. GRGabrielle Reece37:03

       Well, and actually if you think about it, the killer whale, I mean that's the king.

   23. JRJoe Rogan37:06

       Yeah. There's a crazy video that I just watched yesterday of one killing a beach seal.

   24. GRGabrielle Reece37:12

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:12

       It, it, it injured the seal and the seal tried to make it over into... and it literally beached itself, smashed this seal, and there was just blood everywhere and these bunch of people were standing around watching it going, "Holy shit."

   26. GRGabrielle Reece37:25

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       And then it flopped its way back into the water and swam off.

   28. GRGabrielle Reece37:28

       Did it eat it?

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:29

       Yeah.

   30. GRGabrielle Reece37:30

       Okay, good.
10. 39:04 – 43:30

    Bigfoot as folklore vs. human evolution surprises (Denisovans, Flores hominins)

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:04

       Yeah. Well, it's, it, if it didn't exist, it would be way more interesting than Bigfoot.

    2. GRGabrielle Reece39:10

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:10

       Right? Like, everybody's like so into Bigfoot being real. Like, yeah.

    4. GRGabrielle Reece39:14

       But it, I don't get Bigfoot. It's-

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       (laughs)

    6. GRGabrielle Reece39:15

       Can you talk to me about that? Like I-

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:17

       Sure.

    8. GRGabrielle Reece39:18

       Do you think... What i- what is B- what's the concept of Bigfoot?

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:21

       Um...

    10. GRGabrielle Reece39:21

        I mean, I know, okay, it's a big hairy guy, but-

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:23

        Yeah.

    12. GRGabrielle Reece39:24

        What, I mean, really? Come on, what is it?

    13. JRJoe Rogan39:26

        Most likely there was interaction between human beings and something called the Gigantopithecus for thousands and thousands of years. It's a giant bipedal hominid that existed in Asia that was between eight and 10 feet tall. It was real.

    14. GRGabrielle Reece39:42

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan39:42

        And it was basically in, like, the orangutan family. It looks almost orangutan-like, but enormous. And that was a real thing.

    16. GRGabrielle Reece39:48

        Okay.

    17. JRJoe Rogan39:49

        And they didn't find out about this until, like, the 1920s. They found s- a tooth in an apothecary shop in China and, uh, an anthropologist examined this tooth. It was like, "Where the fuck did you get this?" And they, they took them to the site and they dug up more things and bones and jawbones, and they determined from the jawbone... I'm sorry if I'm fucking any of these up, scientists. But they determined from the jawbone that they think it was bipedal, that it stood up on two legs.

    18. GRGabrielle Reece40:12

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        And so then they said, "Well, how big would this thing be?" And then, and then the proportionate illustration.

    20. GRGabrielle Reece40:17

        Yeah, like the femur bone or the...

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        Have you ever seen what one, a real one looks like?

    22. GRGabrielle Reece40:20

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        Yeah.

    24. GRGabrielle Reece40:20

        I just, sometimes I, when they say like, "Oh, up in Michigan," I'm like, "Is it really... Like, what are they seeing?"

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:25

        Bullshit. Most of it is people seeing shadows in the trees and they wanna believe it's Bigfoot-

    26. GRGabrielle Reece40:30

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan40:30

        ... and they're seeing bears that are walking on two legs. But if there was a thing, what's really interesting is that's where it would be. Because if it did come across the Lering, the, the Bering, uh, land bridge, like they believe humans did, if that did happen, then many animals m- me- navigated from there to here, that way. That's where Alaska and the Pacific Northwest... That would be the, the natural path.

    28. GRGabrielle Reece40:55

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan40:55

        And then if you think about how densely wooded that area is-

    30. GRGabrielle Reece40:58

        Right.
11. 43:30 – 49:48

    Food behavior and fasting: intermittent fasting, autophagy, cravings, and ‘food trance’

    1. GRGabrielle Reece43:30

       Do you eat a lot?

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:31

       I eat a lot. (laughs)

    3. GRGabrielle Reece43:32

       You do?

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:32

       I eat preposterous amounts of food. (laughs)

    5. GRGabrielle Reece43:34

       Now do you eat big each meal or do you sorta go, okay, dinner, end of day, h- what i- wh- what's your big now?

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:40

       It depends.

    7. GRGabrielle Reece43:40

       Just what y- how you're feeling?

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:41

       Yeah, it depends. Like sometimes I have giant m- d- meals for dinner. But sometimes if I worked out too hard at night, I'll have a giant breakfast.

    9. GRGabrielle Reece43:47

       Right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:48

        I just, I feel- I just do whatever I feel like doing. But I definitely always have intermittent fasting. It's at least six days a week.

    11. GRGabrielle Reece43:55

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:55

        I take 16 hours off. One day I don't give a fuck.

    13. GRGabrielle Reece43:57

        It's amazing how much food we don't really need.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:00

        D- yeah, it is amazing.

    15. GRGabrielle Reece44:01

        I used to w- w- eat way too much, and like way too much protein and stuff when I was playing and going through different phases of training. Um, now do you go into like autophagy and do all that too?

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        No.

    17. GRGabrielle Reece44:14

        Oh, okay.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        No. You wanna explain that to people?

    19. GRGabrielle Reece44:17

        Um, yeah. Well, uh, s- yeah, it's just one sort of step a bigger, a li- just a deeper step when you, when you s- y- you know, do a little bit intermit- minute fasting is if you don't start the digestive process, so if you just had, you can have water and caffeine, you can't have fats and things like that.

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:36

        Mm-hmm.

    21. GRGabrielle Reece44:36

        Um, the theory is, is that whatever cell, uh, you know, dysfunction you have, you kind of can rinse out kind of three times the amount the process of when you do intermittent fasting. So it can be a really effective way when you're intermittent fasting to say, "Okay, I'm gonna pick this four-hour window." For most people it would probably be between like 3:00 and 7:00 or 2:00 and 6:00. "And I'm gonna eat, and then the rest of the time I'm not going to."

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:03

        Whoa.

    23. GRGabrielle Reece45:03

        So it's, it's very close. It's just sort of one more twist they can put on it. I think it's like A-T-O-P-O-

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Mm.

    25. GRGabrielle Reece45:10

        ... you know.

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:10

        So that's a 20-hour fasted window every day.

    27. GRGabrielle Reece45:14

        Yeah. And I have a friend who was doing it pretty regularly and he st- he looked different.

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:18

        Really?

    29. GRGabrielle Reece45:19

        Yeah. He sh-

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:19

        In a good way?
12. 49:48 – 1:06:13

    XPT pool training, joint-friendly strength work, and major joint replacements

    1. GRGabrielle Reece49:48

       Absolutely. Hey, so, you know, I was thinking, I wanted to invite you. You could bring whoever you want to come pool train with us.

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:53

       What's pool training? What do you guys do?

    3. GRGabrielle Reece49:56

       Jamie, can you pull up, like, uh, pool training or XPT pool training?

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:01

       XPT, what does that stand for?

    5. GRGabrielle Reece50:02

       S- This is another thing that we do, but this k- this is, like, a 12-year-old form of training. We built this pool. And Laird, you know, was always trying to ... You know, athletes in their off season, and, um, we were, like, his cr- like, six of our friends, we built this huge pool. And Laird's like, "Okay, uh, take some dumbbells and go down," uh ... There's Kyle, your guy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:23

       Kyle Kingsbury.

    7. GRGabrielle Reece50:24

       Yeah, your big boy.

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:24

       That's my boy.

    9. GRGabrielle Reece50:25

       And he wears his, see his little suit, the little gold suit?

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        Yeah.

    11. GRGabrielle Reece50:28

        Do we ... And, uh, anyway, th- this is all the shallow stuff, but there's deep water. That girl didn't get going. Um, they have dumbbells in their crotches.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:37

        Mm.

    13. GRGabrielle Reece50:37

        Look at Kyle. This is when he was a little bigger still, yeah? Do we have, uh ...

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:43

        And what is, uh, the idea behind-

    15. GRGabrielle Reece50:44

        So, okay, so there's deep water, like, you're 13 feet, you have w- you have weights. Ballistic, um, ballistic training, no, uh, no punishment to your joints. And-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:59

        Oh, interesting. So, they're doing cleans in the ocean or in the pool, rather.

    17. GRGabrielle Reece51:03

        Yeah, I don't ... This is all shallow. There's some deep water stuff. And I'm not sure why that guy is doing a little ... Do we-

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:12

        So you, you drop the dumbbell all the way down to the bottom and-

    19. GRGabrielle Reece51:14

        You can. So you have drag and stuff like that and also it's lighter in the water and heavier out, but this is not the stuff ... I mean, this is all good. It increases your lung capacity and things like that, but there is a deep water element where ... So you can be ballistic and you can do all the stuff, and, um, you don't pound your joints.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:31

        Mm.

    21. GRGabrielle Reece51:31

        And you can get stronger. So we d- we have a lot of athletes that come and train so that they can sort of work on some of these elements of their being more dynamic or what have you. You're in compression. It's, it's pretty cool. And we couple it so w- I know you like to do heat and stuff, so we'll do, like, heat and ice and then pool and heat and ice and pool and things like that. It's, it's pretty great and you're tired, but you're not beat up.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:54

        George St-Pierre actually did a lot of that in training for his last fight.

    23. GRGabrielle Reece51:57

        Uh-huh.

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:58

        He did a lot of his work in the pool and-

    25. GRGabrielle Reece51:59

        See, here's the deeper s- stuff.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:01

        Yeah. I see.

    27. GRGabrielle Reece52:02

        So you can, like ... And what's cool about this too is, um, uh, is that you have to moderate your breath because it's very straightforward. Air, no air, air, no air.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:15

        Mm.

    29. GRGabrielle Reece52:15

        And, um-

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:16

        For people that are l- just listening to this, we're looking at these guys. It's probably, like, a nine-foot pool. They have, um, dumbbells in their hands. They drop all the way down to the bottom and then let their knees go to full f- full, uh, bend, and then with their butt to their heels and then jump right back up and pop out of the water, get a deep breath, and then go right back down again. So, you're constantly b- leaping through the water to go to the surface again.
13. 1:06:13 – 1:17:32

    Parenting in the smartphone era: phones, anxiety spikes, and mixed cultural messages for girls

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:13

       So you think the new generation is different in their values and what they think is important?

    2. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:17

       I do.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:17

       Really?

    4. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:17

       Right? They say that they, they give more, they volunteer more. I think the tricky thing for them is gonna be connection and being able to be connected and being able to have a real conversation and, uh, l-... you know, even be able to concentrate long enough to, to be with somebody.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:36

       'Cause of devices?

    6. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:37

       Yeah. I mean, I think it's far... Could you imagine right now if you were 20?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:40

       No.

    8. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:41

       And being like dating and swiping and trying to pay attention and-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:45

       Or even 10, you know. My daughter is one of the few girls in her class that doesn't have a cellphone.

    10. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:49

        What's the age that do they get them? Like they're-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:51

        They've, they've had them since they were like seven.

    12. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:54

        No, I mean, your-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:55

        My kids?

    14. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:55

        ... like what's the rule in your house?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:56

        There, there's a debate right now.

    16. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:58

        What's-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:58

        We're trying to figure it out.

    18. GRGabrielle Reece1:06:59

        Well, okay, so you have a 10-year-old gonna be 11.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:01

        Yeah, I think that (sighs) y- they say there's, like, a movement, wait till eighth.

    20. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:06

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:06

        Yeah, you heard that?

    22. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:07

        Yeah, like, 10 kids in the class, all the parents agree, so they're not the only person in the class that doesn't have it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:13

        But it's not that way with my daughter's kids, the kids in her class. Most of them have phones. Most parents just give the kid a phone.

    24. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:20

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:20

        And it's just, um, there's a... Have you read any of Jonathan Haidt's stuff-

    26. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:25

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:26

        ... of the Coddling of the American Mind?

    28. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:27

        Yeah, of course.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:27

        Yeah, and that, that is just so disturbing when you see the amount of, especially young girls, that are growing up depressed, cutting themselves-

    30. GRGabrielle Reece1:07:34

        Oh, yeah.

Episode duration: 2:29:03