Joe Rogan Experience #1280 - Michael Yo

Michael Yo is a stand up comedian. His new stand up special "Blasian" is available now on Amazon Prime.

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Apr 9, 20193h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 3:28
Caffeine math, espresso habits, and “productivity” coffee
1. MYMichael Yo
  Will you go through all three of those? (coffee machine clicks)
2. JRJoe Rogan
  No. (coffee machine clicks) No.
3. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, okay.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  No. One other one is for you.
5. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, okay, good.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Just in case you wanted two.
7. MYMichael Yo
  Good.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
9. MYMichael Yo
  (laughs) 'Cause all yo- that's a beast.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Ridiculous.
11. MYMichael Yo
  You're a fucking beast goin' through three co- (laughs)
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, we're live.
13. MYMichael Yo
  (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
15. MYMichael Yo
  That's like-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  You're a beast. We're tryna figure out how much... I think these are 270 milligrams of caffeine. If you drank three of these, Jamie, that would kill you, right? That would kill you?
17. NANarrator
  Uh, no.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
19. MYMichael Yo
  Wouldn't kill you.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  It would fuck you up.
21. MYMichael Yo
  I thought you walked in with three coffees. I was like-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I just- (laughs)
23. MYMichael Yo
  ... "Goddamn, Rogan, you're gonna die. Like straight up die after the show."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  No. One is for you.
25. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, hopefully we won't need both... Well, I- I don't know. I've, I've drank both of them before on a show-
27. MYMichael Yo
  I, uh-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is like 500 plus milligrams.
29. MYMichael Yo
  I'm addicted to coffee, though, man. I will just drink it. When I'm- I don't even need a high.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  I love it.
3:28 – 5:40
Adderall as “prescribed speed” and the ADD debate
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm scared of Adderall. But people admit they're aller- uh, they're addicted to coffee, and everyone's like, "Ah, me too." If you go, "Dude, I am so addicted to Adderall," they're like, "Okay, Joe."
2. MYMichael Yo
  Dude.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  "I'm not calling you anymore." (laughs)
4. MYMichael Yo
  Dude. Like, like you're gonna, you, you're gonna think I'm lame, but 'til five years ago, I didn't even know what Adderall was.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  G- no, I think you're smart.
6. MYMichael Yo
  Like, I did not-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Good for you.
8. MYMichael Yo
  Like, all my friends in Houston, they did it. And I asked my friend, like I text him, and I go, "Hey man, what's your, you got, uh, what's your addy?" And he goes, "Yeah, we got Adderall." I was like, "What are you tal- No, your address to go to your house."
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah.
10. MYMichael Yo
  Like li- literally, he thought I was talking about Adderall, and then he explained to me, like when you're in a club and you wanna stay up and you wanna stay, like, energized, you take Adderall. And I was like, "Oh, okay." But I, I don't drink. So I can stay up 'til three, four o'clock in the morning and be fine.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What's fascinating about Adderall is what they've essentially done is taken an amphetamine and made it so that if you prescribe it for a condition, right? Like they give it to people who have, uh, well ADD is one of them, right?
12. MYMichael Yo
  Mm-hmm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Whatever the fuck that means. And it's very debatable whether or not you have it or h- don't have it.
14. MYMichael Yo
  Everybody has ADD.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Depending upon... I have it for sure.
16. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  If it's real. If it's real, I have it. But they give you Adderall-
18. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is fucking speed. And because it's a medication that you give to somebody who has, supposedly has a condition, and by the way, I'm not m- diagnosing you. If you're out there, you're getting frustrated with me right now.
20. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Just listen to me. It's fucking speed. Maybe you need speed. Maybe you're that person that needs speed. Maybe you do need it legitimately as a medication, but there's a fuck load of people-
22. MYMichael Yo
  It's-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that are just doing speed. (laughs)
24. MYMichael Yo
  So by somebody giving you speed, it's supposed to slow you down so you won't have ADD? Is that the reasoning?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what they say. They say legit, if you have the legit ADD... Look, I am not doubting that some people have whatever the fuck-
26. MYMichael Yo
  100%.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I have worse than I have it.
28. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  There's a spectrum, right? With everything. But for some people when they take Adderall or similar type of substances, it actually lets them focus and they can, they can actually be on track.
30. MYMichael Yo
  So by speeding it up, somehow it focuses in?
5:40 – 8:39
Doctor skepticism, family attitudes, and Michael’s high-achieving dad
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Weird.
2. MYMichael Yo
  ... my friend's a doctor, and I was talking to him, and I used to, you know, just pop by to say what's up, and he goes, "Hey man, just to let you know, the more you go to a doctor, the faster you'll die." And I go, "What?"
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
4. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. He's like, "I just wanna let-"
5. JRJoe Rogan
  What?
6. MYMichael Yo
  No, yeah, yeah. He says, "The more you go to us, you come to us, the faster you'll die." I was like, "What are you talking about?" 'Cause a lot of doctors are crooked, and they'll give you something for what you think you got. And then after that wears off, they have to give you something else. So now, you just keep filling yourself with stuff to fix the other thing that was wrong.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
8. MYMichael Yo
  And he goes, "Some, some doctors are not good people." And he goes, "The more people go to doctors, the faster they die." Put it in point. My mom beat breast cancer twice, right? And my dad's never been to the doctor. He's 75 years old. Never been to the doctor once. 'Cause he's like, "Well, as soon as you go to the doctor, they tell you something's wrong, you die." You know, literally.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but if you have cancer, you should go to a fucking doctor.
10. MYMichael Yo
  Well, he didn't have cancer. My mom did.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, but if he had cancer, he should go to a fucking doctor.
12. MYMichael Yo
  But I don't think he would go even if he had.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  What?
14. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. He's just-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  But your mom beat it twice, and she's still here.
16. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. Yeah, she is.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  So it doesn't mean-
18. MYMichael Yo
  And the second time she beat it, she didn't even tell me she had it.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Doesn't your dad wanna beat it if he gets it?
20. MYMichael Yo
  Nah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he's fuck it.
22. MYMichael Yo
  My dad is the kind of dude who's like, "Hey, I've been through a lot, I'm fine." Like, he's, he hates going to the doctor. The on- only time he went to the doctor he had a back problem. And that's it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, feel like if he met a good doctor.
24. MYMichael Yo
  But that's old school.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  What if he met a good doctor? Like a doctor that he likes, like a guy he plays golf with or some shit. Does your dad play golf?
26. MYMichael Yo
  Not, my dad, my dad is not social.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  He's not?
28. MYMichael Yo
  No.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  No?
30. MYMichael Yo
  No. I'm totally-
8:39 – 12:44
Street fights, head injuries, and why knockouts can be fatal
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Jamie, was it you that was telling me yesterday about the guy who's the EMT who sees... Tell me, tell me what you told me.
2. NANarrator
  He said, he said he was listening to the podcast we did with Luis J Gomez about people getting head injuries. Uh, and he has been doing it I believe for like 15 years or so, like, doesn't do it every single day, 'cause you don't work every single day, but on a three-day basis or so. Every day he works, he sees at least one person dead from a head injury. Whether it's an elderly person, they slipped on ice, something.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  People fall and hit their heads.
4. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, that's why, please folks, if you're listening to me and you wanna punch somebody and knock them out, please don't do it. Just go to a gym, get your frustrations out, don't fight on the street. You could kill somebody or you can get killed, even accidentally. Even if you really don't hate the guy that much, you punch him in the face-
6. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they go unconscious, their head hits the ground. People die all the time. I mean, I've told the story about when Kevin James used to work as a bouncer in Long Island. A, a guy that he was working with punched a guy and killed him.
8. MYMichael Yo
  Really?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Kevin, Kevin wasn't there but he knew the guy, and the guy accidentally killed a drunk guy. Drunk guy was coming at him, he punched him I guess, I'm, I don't know the whole story. But that shit happens all the time. I've seen guys get knocked out.
10. MYMichael Yo
  And it's not about the punch though, it's about when they hit their head after the punch.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You're getting hit by the world.
12. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Think about that. Think if the world just dropped on your head. That's what it's like. Your body mass bouncing off a completely-
14. MYMichael Yo
  Ugh.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... especially concrete, there's no give. So your head just ka-clock. It sounds horrible. Wa- listen to someone's head bounce off concrete. It's one of the scariest fucking sounds.
16. MYMichael Yo
  Ugh.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's horrible. Even if you do it to somebody and you wanted to hurt them, when you hear their head bounce off concrete, you're like, "Oh, shit." Like, that's not as simple as, like, you punched them. You punched them and then, you know, whatever they weigh, 190 pounds, with all the mass of grav- all their mass and gravity pulling them towards the ground with nothing slowing it down but meat and head, bang, bone, shoulder.
18. MYMichael Yo
  I, I, that reminds me when I was 10 years old I was sitting on the curb. And this is the first time I saw death in real life from a head injury.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mmm.
20. MYMichael Yo
  I was sitting with my friend on the curb and a guy was driving a motorcycle, and he was speeding up and down the street. And right on Iriswood in Houston, Texas, he's flying down, a car pulls out. And he hits it, back then they didn't wear helmets, so he literally flew up in the air and landed about 20 feet from us. His head hit first.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
22. MYMichael Yo
  And exploded like a watermelon.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
24. MYMichael Yo
  And this is like, I was 10 years old watching this. So the next morn- you know, the police come, my parents get me, they tell me, "Don't look at it." To put, I, I, I'm, I go out there the next day, it's just blood stains everywhere, and his wife is picking up his hair that's stuck to the concrete.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
26. MYMichael Yo
  And I remember it so vividly. I was, next door neighbor was Eric, and we were sitting on the curb watching this lady pick up her, uh, husband's hair that was stuck in, and that's the first time I ever saw death. And it, it, it, it was, ugh.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Fuck, man.
28. MYMichael Yo
  And it was a gnarly death too. It was like that Faces of Death stuff. Like, it was bad. It was bad.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  The, the, they got-
30. MYMichael Yo
  I never rode a motorcycle because of that.
12:44 – 21:21
Generational parenting, saying “I love you,” and instincts passed through DNA
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Kids, you, you shouldn't, it like, when you let boys just wander around...
2. MYMichael Yo
  It's never good.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It's never. The dumb shit that they do that they think is okay. "Let's try this." "Hey, take those fireworks and stick 'em in this tree, this old l- rotted down tree. Let's blow it up." (laughs)
4. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah, and the, and the problem is, I think, (laughs) I think, I think today parents, at least we know more. I feel we tell, but like our parents, at least my parents, they didn't really give me guidance. You know?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
6. MYMichael Yo
  They were kind of like, "Hey, figure it out on your own."
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Mine too. Yeah.
8. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah, and-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I think that was that generation, though.
10. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah, they, yeah. Like my parents-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. MYMichael Yo
  ... is the parents that didn't tell you they loved me till I was 29, and I forced them to.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, wow.
14. MYMichael Yo
  It's that kind of thing. Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  That's different. Yeah, my parents told me they loved me all the time. (laughs)
16. MYMichael Yo
  (laughs) My parents were hippies. You know my mom and stepdad are hippies.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I, I don't know. Maybe it was my...
18. MYMichael Yo
  In a, in a good way. They're like really, really nice people.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  In a good way. Yeah, I don't...
20. MYMichael Yo
  But, um, yeah, man, th- they didn't tell me shit though, sp- like the, what to do.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. MYMichael Yo
  They told my why are your grades so bad? I'm like, "I don't, what the fuck do I do? Tell me, someone tell me what to do." (laughs) But they've worked, man. You know like when, and you have, like if you have full-time job and the wife has a full-time job and you're raising children, man, how much time does that really leave?
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, none.
24. MYMichael Yo
  You don't get home until 6:00, 7:00. Like Wendy get out of work at 5:00. Like by the time you get home, kids been home from school for three hours, they're already exhausted.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. MYMichael Yo
  They just wanna eat and go to sleep.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. MYMichael Yo
  Like you're not learning anything about each other for like five days a week.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I, that's my, my mom worked for my dad, so I got to see my mom a lot.
30. MYMichael Yo
  Mm-hmm.
21:21 – 38:55
Fear Factor nostalgia: early seasons, gross food, and “donkey cum” cancellation
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, s- like, here's one. Ophidiophobia, or arachnophobia, fear of snakes or spiders. Those... Have you ever seen anybody who has that? Well, you were on Fear Factor with me.
2. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, my God, that was-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat)
4. MYMichael Yo
  ... that was the worst.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I should say, you were... You made it out, brother.
6. MYMichael Yo
  No, both.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Congratulations.
8. MYMichael Yo
  Yes. All right. (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. MYMichael Yo
  No, do you remem- I was on the-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Season one, episode one.
12. MYMichael Yo
  I was the pilot episode-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. MYMichael Yo
  ... of Fear Factor.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  The pilot episode.
16. MYMichael Yo
  And that's where I met you-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. MYMichael Yo
  ... for the first ti- sixtee- can you believe sixteen... What? 2001.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. MYMichael Yo
  What is that? What are we-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  S- that's 18 years ago.
22. MYMichael Yo
  18 years ago we met.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. MYMichael Yo
  And-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Because that was, that was right after 9/11.
26. MYMichael Yo
  Yes.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. MYMichael Yo
  Right after. And they flew us down, and the first time I met you, it was at Saddle Ranch. And you were like, "Welcome-"
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Look at this, dude.
30. MYMichael Yo
  Oh. (laughs)
38:55 – 49:23
Predators everywhere: alligators, Everglades pythons, and respect for nature
1. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. I lived in Miami, man, and at the time, I lived in Miami, talk about like-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  You did radio out there, right?
3. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah, uh, uh, Y100 in Miami.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  That was after Fear Factor.
5. MYMichael Yo
  After Fear Factor.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  After Factor.
7. MYMichael Yo
  It landed me that big gig after I was (laughs) after I was on Fear Factor.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, radio was radio back then, though.
9. MYMichael Yo
  Dude. Oh, yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  It was real.
11. MYMichael Yo
  It was, it was, like, huge, man. Uh, but I remember they had these lakes and if you go back, like, 10 years ago and look up Florida, people were just jogging around lakes getting snatched by alligators.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. MYMichael Yo
  Like, just alligators did not give a damn.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  They'll get you.
15. MYMichael Yo
  They were just snatching people.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
17. MYMichael Yo
  And I was like, "Why are people jogging?" Like... (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. MYMichael Yo
  Like, literally I was like, "Stop jogging."
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, definitely don't jog near the water.
21. MYMichael Yo
  No. And that's the thing. Look, I believe, like, eight people within six months got snatched just jogging by some of the-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that real?
23. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, 100%. Probably about eight to 10 years ago, just jogging.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I didn't know that, that there was that many deaths ever from alligators.
25. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, yeah. They were getting snatched.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  One of my favorite ones was a guy who was running from the cops near Miami and, uh, he was in a stolen car, parked his car on a bridge, jumped off the bridge and landed on an alligator.
27. MYMichael Yo
  (laughs)
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Alligator jacked him in front of the cops.
29. MYMichael Yo
  Ugh.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And they were just sitting there going, "Well-"
49:23 – 53:53
Video game warfare: Quake Champions addiction and adrenaline loops
1. MYMichael Yo
  (laughs) What's crazy is, uh, the wh- this whole animal kingdom thing, but one thing that scares me that you were doing when I walked in is playing these fucking shooter games.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, that game is a real problem. Jamie and I have been going to war for the last, what, two months?
3. NANarrator
  Yeah, about. Sure. Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  When'd this start? Like, two months ago?
5. MYMichael Yo
  Uh, yeah. Maybe like that. It sounds like-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm in full-blown addiction mode now.
7. NANarrator
  (clears throat)
8. MYMichael Yo
  But what is the thr- like, I, I-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  What's the thrill?
10. MYMichael Yo
  Yes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you see us? We're all sweaty and adrenaline charged.
12. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. No, I walked in-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  We're having a great ass time.
14. MYMichael Yo
  I, uh, I walked in, it looks like I just finished working out. It was, like, crazy.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Jamie and I were going to war. We go to war. We talk a lotta shit, too. We go to war. (laughs)
16. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, man. (laughs) I try to, I try... (laughs) Can we talk about it?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's fun. It's fun. When he kills me, he talks shit to me. It's rough. You're like, "Goddamn it, he got me. Fuckers."
18. MYMichael Yo
  Is that a game where people can go online and play with you two?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  No, we don't play with other people.
20. MYMichael Yo
  Oh, okay. (laughs) Okay.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  No, we jump online. This is the game though.
22. MYMichael Yo
  This is it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  This is the game. Yeah, dude, it is a fun ass fucking game. It's, it's called Quake Champions.
24. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And pe- people right now listening going, "Goddamn it, he's talking about that again?"
26. MYMichael Yo
  About Quake again?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But me and Jamie have been, um, and, and Jeff, our other employee, have been playing this fucking constantly.
28. MYMichael Yo
  See, okay. See, this isn't bad because they're like characters.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. MYMichael Yo
  Like I was playing one where it's like human beings.
53:53 – 1:05:20
Self-defense and jiu-jitsu: where to start, gym culture, and belt timelines
1. MYMichael Yo
  Okay. So, so say I started to go to a fight gym. Like, where would I start at?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Um-
3. MYMichael Yo
  Like, what would I do?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I would say you should try jujitsu 'cause it's fun, it's really good exercise, and you'll learn some stuff.
5. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you'll learn how to do it. It's, it's a technique-based art. Whereas, like, say if, um, (clicks tongue) if you... Like, there's, there's guys that I will, uh, do jujitsu sparring we call rolling.
7. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  There's guys that I will roll with that are weaker than me, smaller than me, and tap me every time I roll with them. And I'm a black belt.
9. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, that's reality. Like, if there's, there's guys out there that are 150 pounds that I can roll with that I know will tap me virtually every time we roll because their technique is sharper, they train more often than I am, they're more focused, they're more in the groove.
11. MYMichael Yo
  But I also heard you say, like, on one of your podcasts you gotta watch out who you train with because they might just try to hurt you.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  That's true.
13. MYMichael Yo
  So I need, I need-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  You gotta go to a good school with good ethics-
15. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause a g- a good school with good ethics, they get rid of those guys. They toss-
17. MYMichael Yo
  Do you know, do you know one in Studio City? I'll do it.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure, I'll get you a spot.
19. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah. No, I-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  We'll find a spot.
21. MYMichael Yo
  I'll do it. I wanna learn-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's a good spot just a little further than that in Tarzana.
23. MYMichael Yo
  Okay.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  M- Machado's where I got my black belt.
25. MYMichael Yo
  Uh-huh.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, uh, Jean Jacques Machado. I train there sometimes. And, um, he used to have a place in Malibu, but, uh, it closed down because of the fires. Um, but they, um, they have an outstanding gym. It's, like, one of the best in the country and it's in that area. Like, as far as teaching-
27. MYMichael Yo
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... top notch. Like, but there's a lot of really good-... jujitsu schools now. It's not like, um ... Like, when I started in '96, it was hard to find a good gym. There was only, like, five of 'em in all of California, right?
29. MYMichael Yo
  Uh-huh.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause it was just starting out. It was, like, '93 is when jujitsu sort of emerged in the public consciousness because of the UFC. And then they were ... The gyms started, like, popping up.