Joe Rogan Experience #1281 - Tom Papa

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (humming) Four, three, two,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Four, three, two, one. Da-dum, da-dum. And we're live. Tom Papa.

   2. TPTom Papa0:08

      Joe Rogan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Good to see you, buddy.

   4. TPTom Papa0:11

      Good to see you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      What's crackalackin'?

   6. TPTom Papa0:12

      I know, not too much. Cruising around.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      We were talking about old bodies falling apart.

   8. TPTom Papa0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I got a stem cell shot in my, uh, shoulder that's, uh, killing me right now.

   10. TPTom Papa0:20

       Yeah, I can tell. You're in pain.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Whoo. Yeah.

   12. TPTom Papa0:23

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Just-

   14. TPTom Papa0:23

       One shot? Just ... (shooting sound)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Well, I got, uh, several in both shoulders. And this is not like anything, like, that's like a serious injury-

   16. TPTom Papa0:30

       Uh-huh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... but it, it ... they've been annoying me lately, so I said, "Fuck it. Let me just go in there." Every time I've done it, it's made them feel better. (laughs)

   18. TPTom Papa0:36

       Right. How often do you have to go?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       I've been doing it, like, once every six months.

   20. TPTom Papa0:40

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. That's what I have been doing.

   22. TPTom Papa0:41

       And then it kinda s- ... is okay for a while, and then-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   24. TPTom Papa0:43

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       And once every six months seems to keep me in ... But it's expensive, you know. It's not free, right?

   26. TPTom Papa0:47

       So is it not c- ... Is it not curing whatever it, it says to me?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       It's, it's healing it, but then I'm being a moron-

   28. TPTom Papa0:52

       It is ... Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... and, and going back to working out hard.

   30. TPTom Papa0:54

       Right. (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      with things they shouldn't be able to get away with. Like what's happening right now with Julian Assange.

   2. TPTom Papa15:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Well, Julian Assange, in anybody's estimation, if you look at what he did, he distributed information that was extremely interesting to most people in the world that didn't know about it.

   4. TPTom Papa15:16

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Exposed a lot of scary shit.

   6. TPTom Papa15:19

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      He exposed a lot of corruption, exposed a lot of, um... I mean, what, what corruption did it expose? I know it exposed... Th- there was that, um...

   8. TPTom Papa15:27

      Was it the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      ... collateral murder video. That was the f- one of the first ones-

   10. TPTom Papa15:31

       Uh-huh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       ... where they showed them shooting. They shot at, um, these guys who they thought were soldiers and they were, they were reporters.

   12. TPTom Papa15:39

       Uh-huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       And it was sort of just the way they dealt with it. It was very scary for people watching that someone could just, like, dehumanize, accidentally killing the wrong people.

   14. TPTom Papa15:48

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       And make it like-

   16. TPTom Papa15:49

       That was the military?

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       They were making it like, you know, hate, but you kinda have to be in that mindset to be able to gun people down from the sky in the first place.

   18. TPTom Papa15:57

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       I mean, the whole... Look-

   20. TPTom Papa15:59

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       ... you gotta put yourself in the perspective of someone who has to do that job.

   22. TPTom Papa16:02

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       And you take a regular person and then you train them to do that job and then you ask them to go and pull the trigger on people. They, they're gonna develop a coldness to them.

   24. TPTom Papa16:10

       Well, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       They kind- they have to, right?

   26. TPTom Papa16:13

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       But to see it-

   28. TPTom Papa16:14

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       ... so what Julian Assange did is he showed it to us and then he released all sorts of... I mean, I, I've, I haven't... I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't really studied all the files and what was released and what wasn't. Uh, apparently when-

   30. TPTom Papa16:28

       I was gonna say, what-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. TPTom Papa30:00

      I think technology, if you can bring more water to people and there's less suffering, if climate change doesn't (laughs) ruin all of that, I think if you can prop these people up and give all these people-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TPTom Papa30:10

      If they can rise, then there's no sense-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Yeah.

   5. TPTom Papa30:12

      I mean, we're at a point now where there's fewer wars than ever before on the planet.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Sure.

   7. TPTom Papa30:18

      So we're headed in that direction, so I don't see why not.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Well, as a thought exercise, let's look at it this way. What makes anybody decide to act as a group? What makes anybody? Like, if, why would we decide to go, uh, if, if-

   9. TPTom Papa30:34

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       What negotiations should we be having with someone in Germany? Like, why, why, why are we having a conversation about anything? You live way the fuck over there on the other side of the ocean.

   11. TPTom Papa30:44

       Uh-huh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... what would make people act as a group and go over and try to fuck with somebody else that's-

   13. TPTom Papa30:52

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       ... that's in another place? Like-

   15. TPTom Papa30:53

       Well, people can be-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... that is-

   17. TPTom Papa30:54

       ... people can definitely be rallied-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Oh, for s-

   19. TPTom Papa30:58

       ... right? For any cause.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Most certainly. But do you think, this is my thought-

   21. TPTom Papa31:02

       Uh-huh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       ... that there will come a time where that kind of rallying doesn't work?

   23. TPTom Papa31:07

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       That people will stop believing... I mean, this is one of those w- very bizarre-

   25. TPTom Papa31:13

       It's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       ... ideas, that the systems that we've established for, for human civilizations-

   27. TPTom Papa31:18

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       ... whether it's countries or cities or, um, uh, c- continents-

   29. TPTom Papa31:22

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       ... whatever it is-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Personal and miscellaneous, 1400…

   1. TPTom Papa45:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Personal and miscellaneous, 1400 bucks. For the year?

   3. GUGuest45:03

      Yeah, right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      For the year?

   5. GUGuest45:04

      100 bucks a month? Get outta here.

   6. TPTom Papa45:05

      Yeah, forget it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Yeah, that's crazy.

   8. TPTom Papa45:06

      Forget it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      That's $25 a week.

   10. GUGuest45:08

       The books are gonna be way more than 100 bucks a month too.

   11. TPTom Papa45:10

       Right.

   12. GUGuest45:10

       The books are gonna be 1200 a semester probably.

   13. TPTom Papa45:13

       You should go to state school. You pay a quarter of that, stay in, get your undergrad.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       Well, here's the thing. It's like you could have a, a n- nonsense education like me, where you just read things that you're interested in and then-

   15. TPTom Papa45:25

       Uh-huh.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       ... you never get like a real base education. Like, I don't have a degree in anything.

   17. TPTom Papa45:30

       You didn't go to s- college?

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       I went to college, but I fucked off. I, I barely-

   19. TPTom Papa45:34

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       ... paid attention. I we-

   21. TPTom Papa45:35

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       I went to UMass Boston, so-

   23. TPTom Papa45:36

       Oh, yeah. That's where my sister went.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Yeah. I didn't even take my SATs.

   25. TPTom Papa45:40

       Oh, really?

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       No, there was like a, they had like a continuing education program. You could just sign up and start taking classes there.

   27. TPTom Papa45:45

       Oh, nice.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       I was-

   29. TPTom Papa45:46

       Did you go the whole way?

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       No. No.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:35

   Oh. Oh. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      like literally.

   2. TPTom Papa1:00:00

      Oh. Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      Gentlemanly pursuit, hunting and shooting attire. Wow.

   4. TPTom Papa1:00:04

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Look how they dress.

   6. TPTom Papa1:00:06

      Does that help you?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Helps me.

   8. TPTom Papa1:00:08

      Be a good hunter?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      'Cause I get to goof on them.

   10. TPTom Papa1:00:10

       (laughs) Or does it like... Does that he- Does that get in the way of hunting or does that help hunting?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

       That's not helping shit. (laughs)

   12. TPTom Papa1:00:18

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       Those boots.

   14. TPTom Papa1:00:18

       A tie and a vest.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       Those boots are kinda fresh though. Go back to his boots.

   16. TPTom Papa1:00:21

       Yeah, man. That guy looks good.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       Let me see those boots. Can you make them boots larger? Look at those fresh boots.

   18. TPTom Papa1:00:25

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       I might rock those.

   20. TPTom Papa1:00:26

       Come on.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       I'm gonna start wearing those on stage.

   22. TPTom Papa1:00:28

       That... (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Would I get in trouble for cultural appropriation for w- wearing someone's stuff if they're white too?

   24. TPTom Papa1:00:34

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       How's that work?

   26. TPTom Papa1:00:35

       No, they, they... If they're more powerful than you, then you're okay.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Like how does that work? How does that work?

   28. TPTom Papa1:00:40

       You can't take from-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       How much... What percentage of Native American do you have to have in you to wear moccasins?

   30. TPTom Papa1:00:46

       Ooh, a lot.

Episode duration: 2:31:27