Joe Rogan Experience #1281 - Tom Papa

1. 0:00 – 1:53

   Stem cells, soft-tissue healing, and staying proactive about injuries

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Four, three, two, one. Da-dum, da-dum. And we're live. Tom Papa.

   2. TPTom Papa0:08

      Joe Rogan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Good to see you, buddy.

   4. TPTom Papa0:11

      Good to see you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      What's crackalackin'?

   6. TPTom Papa0:12

      I know, not too much. Cruising around.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      We were talking about old bodies falling apart.

   8. TPTom Papa0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I got a stem cell shot in my, uh, shoulder that's, uh, killing me right now.

   10. TPTom Papa0:20

       Yeah, I can tell. You're in pain.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Whoo. Yeah.

   12. TPTom Papa0:23

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Just-

   14. TPTom Papa0:23

       One shot? Just ... (shooting sound)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Well, I got, uh, several in both shoulders. And this is not like anything, like, that's like a serious injury-

   16. TPTom Papa0:30

       Uh-huh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... but it, it ... they've been annoying me lately, so I said, "Fuck it. Let me just go in there." Every time I've done it, it's made them feel better. (laughs)

   18. TPTom Papa0:36

       Right. How often do you have to go?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       I've been doing it, like, once every six months.

   20. TPTom Papa0:40

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. That's what I have been doing.

   22. TPTom Papa0:41

       And then it kinda s- ... is okay for a while, and then-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   24. TPTom Papa0:43

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       And once every six months seems to keep me in ... But it's expensive, you know. It's not free, right?

   26. TPTom Papa0:47

       So is it not c- ... Is it not curing whatever it, it says to me?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       It's, it's healing it, but then I'm being a moron-

   28. TPTom Papa0:52

       It is ... Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... and, and going back to working out hard.

   30. TPTom Papa0:54

       Right. (laughs)
2. 1:53 – 4:14

   Getting back in shape: cardio momentum, trainers, and workout apps

   1. TPTom Papa1:53

      I've been running a lot for the last couple of months and, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      Yeah? What, what brought that on?

   3. TPTom Papa1:57

      I've got a ... Just wanna be in better shape.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      Yeah?

   5. TPTom Papa1:59

      Wanna feel better. I dropped, like, 15 pounds.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Burn off some of that bread?

   7. TPTom Papa2:02

      (laughs) Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      Cook off some of that sourdough?

   9. TPTom Papa2:04

      Burned off some of the bread, exactly. I was like, "Maybe, maybe."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       That's great, man.

   11. TPTom Papa2:08

       (laughs) Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       Yeah, your face looks thinner, man.

   13. TPTom Papa2:09

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       It looks good.

   15. TPTom Papa2:10

       Yeah, I've dropped a bunch.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Congratulations. That's awesome.

   17. TPTom Papa2:12

       Thanks, man. Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       That's a cool thing. Once you get going, right?

   19. TPTom Papa2:14

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       You get that momentum. That's what's up.

   21. TPTom Papa2:16

       Well, you know what's really was up was I ... I was kinda cruising along and just, like, l- ... lost five pounds just kinda, like, hanging around. And then I realized I'm working out. Like, this workout that I'm doing is ... would've been a warmup when I was an athlete.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Right, right.

   23. TPTom Papa2:32

       Like, this wouldn't even have been a warmup.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Right.

   25. TPTom Papa2:34

       And I'm like, "Oh, that was pretty good."

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       (laughs)

   27. TPTom Papa2:36

       And I was like, "I have to stop being a sissy and try and really push a little more."

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Why don't you get a trainer?

   29. TPTom Papa2:42

       Uh, I don't like intimacy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Ooh. Weird.
3. 4:14 – 7:24

   Simple strength basics: push-ups, chin-ups, squats—and avoiding doorway chin-up disasters

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      What about just body weight stuff? Like, you know, I mean-

   2. TPTom Papa4:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      ... it's not a bad idea to start off with body weight, first of all.

   4. TPTom Papa4:18

      Just push-ups?

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      Yeah, because you haven't really done much like that-

   6. TPTom Papa4:22

      In a while.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:22

      Yeah. It's ... Chin-ups, push-ups, and body weight squats really don't need much else.

   8. TPTom Papa4:27

      Really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      Not really. I mean, you-

   10. TPTom Papa4:29

       I've been doing more push-ups, but that's it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Dude, you can get a ferocious workout in with change grip push-ups-

   12. TPTom Papa4:35

       Uh-huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       ... chin-ups, body weight squats. Just do just those things.

   14. TPTom Papa4:38

       Does that mean I have to get one of those chin-up bars that goes in the doorway that ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Yeah. Get a real one, though, 'cause those things fall and people die.

   16. TPTom Papa4:44

       (laughs) I know. I don't-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Those ones that hang ... Folks, listen to me.

   18. TPTom Papa4:47

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Those ones that hang on the door-

   20. TPTom Papa4:49

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       ... the, the doorjamb.

   22. TPTom Papa4:50

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       I used to work construction. Those fucking things are not designed for you hanging on them.

   24. TPTom Papa4:55

       (laughs) No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       They have little tiny nails.

   26. TPTom Papa4:56

       I am not doing that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       And guess what? People like me probably installed them-

   28. TPTom Papa4:59

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       ... and sometimes you don't hit a stud.

   30. TPTom Papa5:01

       Yeah.
4. 7:24 – 9:52

   Stabilizer training and the “earthquake bar,” plus old-school household quirks

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:24

      You know what's really fucking cool that I got? Um, Rogue makes this thing that it's, uh... It's like a bamboo pole.

   2. TPTom Papa7:31

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:31

      And on the end of the pole, you put, uh, rubber straps.

   4. TPTom Papa7:35

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:35

      Like, uh, you know those, those, uh, bands that you-

   6. TPTom Papa7:38

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:38

      And then from those bands, you hang kettlebells.

   8. TPTom Papa7:41

      Off of the bamboo stick?

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      Yes. So as you're doing this bench press... I can't push my... lift my right arm up.

   10. TPTom Papa7:47

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       It's in pain right now, other wise I'd show you. As you're doing this thing, everything's all wobbly.

   12. TPTom Papa7:52

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Everything's super, super wobbly 'cause first of all, the kettlebell is hanging from rubber.

   14. TPTom Papa7:57

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       And then the, the, the stick-

   16. TPTom Papa7:59

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       ... this bamboo thing is super wobbly.

   18. TPTom Papa8:02

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       And as you lift weights with that, it's really good for your stabilizing muscles.

   20. GUGuest8:06

       It's called a earthquake bar.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       That's what it's called?

   22. TPTom Papa8:07

       Earthquake bar.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       Oh, cool.

   24. GUGuest8:09

       Or there's a version of it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       Is there a video of it?

   26. TPTom Papa8:10

       So it's a stabilizing muscle.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       Oh, we can't watch the video online, or-

   28. GUGuest8:13

       There's a video. I have a picture of it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:13

       ... someone will-

   30. TPTom Papa8:14

       (laughs)
5. 9:52 – 12:07

   Discipline culture, David Goggins, and the modern news onslaught

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      Do you, do you ever... Do you follow, um, David Goggins online?

   2. TPTom Papa9:55

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:56

      David... Do you know who he is?

   4. TPTom Papa9:57

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:58

      David Goggins is this Navy SEAL who, um, now is more or less a, a, like, a motivational and, uh, fitness influencer.

   6. TPTom Papa10:09

      Oh, the run- the guy who runs with-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      Yes, r-... Oh, dude.

   8. TPTom Papa10:11

      ... like, broken knees? That guy?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Oh, he's a fucking savage.

   10. TPTom Papa10:13

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       He, he-

   12. TPTom Papa10:14

       I've, I've seen some of his clips.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       He... What did... How many 100-mile runs did he run in a row?

   14. GUGuest10:18

       Oh, shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Some fucking preposterous number.

   16. GUGuest10:21

       Yeah, I don't remember. I don't wanna say 'cause I can't remember at all. I wanna say it's six or seven, but then it's like 12 or 13, so I don't, I don't remember.

   17. TPTom Papa10:26

       Of 100 mile?

   18. GUGuest10:27

       I don't remember at all.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       But they're all... His whole thing is stay hard. Like, he'll send me a text out of nowhere.

   20. TPTom Papa10:32

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Like, it'll just say, "Stay hard, motherfucker."

   22. TPTom Papa10:36

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       "There's a lot of weak-ass bitches-"

   24. TPTom Papa10:36

       Don't go soft.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       "... out there."

   26. TPTom Papa10:38

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Because, like, b-... First of all-

   28. TPTom Papa10:40

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       ... if you're, if you're a Navy SEAL-

   30. TPTom Papa10:42

       Right.
6. 12:07 – 18:54

   Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, and what public accountability costs

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:07

      But it's gonna... It's a double-edged sword because if you don't get fed that, you don't find out about Julian Assange getting kicked out of the embassy in London. You don't find out about a million different stories that are in the news.

   2. TPTom Papa12:19

      It's a fun story, it's a cool story, but do I need to know it?

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:21

      Well-It's a fun story.

   4. TPTom Papa12:24

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:24

      That's a quote for you from now on.

   6. TPTom Papa12:26

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:26

      "Hey, what about Julian Assange?" Tom Papa hands up.

   8. TPTom Papa12:29

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      In quotes, "It's a fun story, it's a cool story, but I don't need to know it."

   10. TPTom Papa12:33

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       Holy shit. (laughs)

   12. TPTom Papa12:34

       Really? I mean-

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       That's like re- you just redefined white privilege right there.

   14. TPTom Papa12:37

       Well... (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:38

       You hit it, you hit it on the head and lit it on fire.

   16. TPTom Papa12:42

       No, but seriously, what can I do about a lot of these... You know, look, I think it's good that information's flowing and that moves everybody forward, but-

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       Right.

   18. TPTom Papa12:50

       ... you know, for me sitting in there trying to tell some jokes and feed my kids, it's like, do I need to know everything?

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       Right.

   20. TPTom Papa12:56

       Every trouble spot going around the world?

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       Well, it's like, th- that is a very good question. It's like, how much responsibility do you have to be tuned into all the events of the world and to act? Like, how much responsibility do you have outside of voting? And do you have the responsibility to vote? 'Cause there's some people that are very interesting people that don't vote.

   22. TPTom Papa13:14

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       You know?

   24. TPTom Papa13:15

       I don't agree with that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       Yeah, it's a, it's-

   26. TPTom Papa13:18

       I wanna participate.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       I understand that. Um, but I don't think Michael Malice votes, doesn't he? Does... Didn't he say he doesn't vote? I think he said he doesn't... I, I, I forget his reasoning, but it was very logical.

   28. TPTom Papa13:32

       Uh-huh. No, I understand the argument, but I... Even, and even if it seems kinda false and... I just, I think it, it kind of, like, mentally engages you in the world.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       Yes.

   30. TPTom Papa13:41

       It's like you, you should be trying to participate.
7. 18:54 – 23:43

   Trump as comedy fuel: fast food optics, college athletes, and media obsession

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:54

      Isn't funny that when you see pictures of Trump, he's eating Kentucky Fried Chicken?

   2. TPTom Papa18:58

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:58

      And when you see pictures of this dude, he's eating lobster?

   4. TPTom Papa19:01

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:02

      I mean, it's tr- (laughs) That's hilarious.

   6. TPTom Papa19:04

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:04

      Trump brings Kentucky Fried Chicken on his fucking private jet.

   8. TPTom Papa19:07

      He really... (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:08

      It's hilarious.

   10. TPTom Papa19:09

       He really loves that stuff.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:10

       He loves it.

   12. TPTom Papa19:10

       He really does.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:11

       He fucking loves fast food. Like, when he got all those athletes-

   14. TPTom Papa19:14

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       ... when they came to visit him when the government was shut down-

   16. TPTom Papa19:15

       (laughs) Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       ... and he brought them all fast food, he didn't understand. They were like, "What the fuck-"

   18. TPTom Papa19:19

       I know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       "... is this shit?"

   20. TPTom Papa19:20

       And then he had another team showed up months later, and he (laughs) he broke out the fast food again.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Dude-

   22. TPTom Papa19:24

       The government was hoping. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       ... just imagine, the fucking... You're going to see the President of the United States, and you're a professional athlete-

   24. TPTom Papa19:32

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:32

       ... right? Your body literally is a temple.

   26. TPTom Papa19:35

       (laughs) And they-

   27. GUGuest19:35

       They were college athletes, but...

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       Oh, they were college athletes.

   29. TPTom Papa19:37

       Yeah, but still, dials it in.

   30. GUGuest19:39

       Still, man, God, they had to-
8. 23:43 – 29:11

   Patriotism, culture-war symbolism, and how media turns politics into teams

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:43

      If we're gonna agree to this fucking thing... Look at that, bro. See what that is?

   2. TPTom Papa23:45

      Exactly. We're all together.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:48

      I'm gonna show you something, bitch.

   4. TPTom Papa23:49

      It is a wild country. I, when you travel around-

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:52

      Look at my phone. Watch this. <Da-da-da-da-da-da .

   6. TPTom Papa23:56

      What do you got? Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:57

      The flag blows in the wind, bro.

   8. TPTom Papa23:58

      It moves. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:00

      I believe in America as a concept. I don't think it's a, a bad thing to believe in America as a concept.

   10. TPTom Papa24:05

       No, come on.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:05

       I think we're, we're getting better. We're, we're working on this. I think this idea that there's, like, people were complaining that someone put the American flag on a, uh, cop car in, uh, California.

   12. TPTom Papa24:15

       Uh-huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:15

       Did you see that shit?

   14. TPTom Papa24:16

       Nah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       Yeah. Like, "Hey, this is, we're in America."

   16. TPTom Papa24:20

       (laughs) What do you mean they put it on a cop car?

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       What's wrong with putting an American flag on a cop car?

   18. TPTom Papa24:23

       Like, just draped it over it?

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:24

       Yeah. Like, no. Like, they had, like, uh, the side panel-

   20. TPTom Papa24:26

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:26

       ... where it says, "The police department," has the American flag incorporated into their logo.

   22. TPTom Papa24:30

       Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       Like, what do you hate America?

   24. TPTom Papa24:31

       Yeah. What's wrong with that?

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:32

       Look at that.I like it.

   26. TPTom Papa24:34

       Oh, cool. Yeah, that's pretty.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       I like it.

   28. TPTom Papa24:35

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       I fucking salute those guys if they drove by.

   30. TPTom Papa24:37

       Laguna Beach, yeah.
9. 29:11 – 34:18

   Can war ever end? Open borders thought experiment vs. tribal identity

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:11

      Do you think there's ever gonna be a time in, in humans, like, whether it's 100 years from now or 1,000 years from now, where there's no war?

   2. TPTom Papa29:21

      Yes. Yes, I do.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:25

      How do you see that happening?

   4. TPTom Papa29:27

      Well, (sighs) it's gonna start with, uh, cop cars with flags on them.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:32

      (laughs)

   6. TPTom Papa29:32

      And then (laughs) they're gonna patrol around.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:34

      (laughs)

   8. TPTom Papa29:35

      I think it would be technology.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:37

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TPTom Papa29:37

       And I think it's a matter of everybody becoming more comfortable. If you can, if you can have people... This is like a Thomas Friedman idea that if, if you wanna stop, like, people fighting in the Middle East, uh, give them all the comforts of a good society.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:51

       Mm-hmm.

   12. TPTom Papa29:52

       Let them be able to go eat McDonald's and sit in a coffee shop and all of a sudden you don't wanna fight as much. And that means prosperity, that means popping... So I think technology, if you can bring more water to people and there's less suffering, if climate change doesn't (laughs) ruin all of that, I think if you can prop these people up and give all these people-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       Mm-hmm.

   14. TPTom Papa30:10

       If they can rise, then there's no sense-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       Yeah.

   16. TPTom Papa30:12

       I mean, we're at a point now where there's fewer wars than ever before on the planet.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Sure.

   18. TPTom Papa30:18

       So we're headed in that direction, so I don't see why not.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Well, as a thought exercise, let's look at it this way. What makes anybody decide to act as a group? What makes anybody? Like, if, why would we decide to go, uh, if, if-

   20. TPTom Papa30:34

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       What negotiations should we be having with someone in Germany? Like, why, why, why are we having a conversation about anything? You live way the fuck over there on the other side of the ocean.

   22. TPTom Papa30:44

       Uh-huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... what would make people act as a group and go over and try to fuck with somebody else that's-

   24. TPTom Papa30:52

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       ... that's in another place? Like-

   26. TPTom Papa30:53

       Well, people can be-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... that is-

   28. TPTom Papa30:54

       ... people can definitely be rallied-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Oh, for s-

   30. TPTom Papa30:58

       ... right? For any cause.
10. 34:18 – 39:07

    Surveillance tech: China’s face recognition, wearable futures, and privacy creep

    1. TPTom Papa34:18

       All right. Well, I'm gonna blow your mind with my technology end of this c- conversation, which I just read an article yesterday-

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:24

       Hmm.

    3. TPTom Papa34:24

       ... that in, uh, China, face recognition is the thing that's gonna stop y- your fantasy of everybody just loving each other and going around. In China, their t- with face recognition, they're able to c- uh, recognize and categorize Muslims in the country. There's, like, this one sect of Muslim in China, and they're, uh, with all this face recognition that they're seeing, you know, from your phone, from everything, they're starting to catalog the enemy. And they're, uh, and they're going to be able to... The police are sharing information and hotels and everybody. And they're, all now, through this network, know what type of person just walked into this building and whether they're friendly or they're the enemy. And that thing, that face recognition thing, is pro- could end up splitting us apart even more.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:14

       Hmm.

    5. TPTom Papa35:16

       Old-timey Tommy with his technological facts.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       Here, China's Big Brother surveillance technology isn't nearly as all-seeing as the government wants you to think.

    7. GUGuest35:25

       This is kind of like, uh, it, they might be able to upgrade it, though. It says it can for more than-

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       Oh, well, for sure.

    9. GUGuest35:30

       ... like a hundred-

    10. TPTom Papa35:30

        Yeah, it's 1.0.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:31

        Dude, do you remember when your phone unlocked with your fingerprint and it blew your motherfucking mind?

    12. TPTom Papa35:35

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:36

        You're like, "What, bro?"

    14. TPTom Papa35:37

        It's true.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:38

        "It's my finger."

    16. TPTom Papa35:39

        (laughs)

    17. GUGuest35:40

        Look at this.

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:40

        You could use your pinky. It even works with my pinky.

    19. TPTom Papa35:41

        (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:42

        "You gotta get five fingerprints on this motherfucker."

    21. TPTom Papa35:45

        It, it... I could, like I said, I could do the side of my thumb and it still knows.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:48

        With just, just glasses?

    23. GUGuest35:49

        It's a cop. It's a cop.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:51

        What do you mean?

    25. GUGuest35:51

        It's a cop in China.

    26. TPTom Papa35:52

        It's a cop with Google Glass.

    27. GUGuest35:53

        Yeah, it's got some sort of-

    28. TPTom Papa35:55

        Face recognition thing. It's like that Tom Cruise-

    29. GUGuest35:57

        Yeah, that's what it looks like from a movie. I don't know.

    30. TPTom Papa35:57

        What was that Tom Cruise movie?
11. 39:07 – 41:20

    Neuralink and brain-tracking VR: who controls the data, and what breaks first

    1. GUGuest39:07

       Dude, I had a question about the... You know neural link might be coming on soon or whatever?

    2. TPTom Papa39:11

       Mm-hmm.

    3. GUGuest39:11

       I was thinking about, like, if, if it got to the point where, like, say we all got it, and then everyone you knew had it and there's like 1,000 people that have it, wouldn't we, it hit a (clears throat) , like a, a threshold point where you're like, "Uh, not everybody should have this. We're, we're good at this point right here."

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:25

       Well, how would you ever deny people something like that though?

    5. GUGuest39:28

       The cost. It might be really expensive to, to have.

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:30

       No, but I mean, how would you ever-

    7. GUGuest39:31

       I know, uh-

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       You can't deny people that want... Like, say if someone's coming up and they wanna try it and everyone else has it. That would, that would create a giant problem. That'd be like if you said that with cell phones. Too many people have cell phones.

    9. GUGuest39:42

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:42

        We have to stop you. No more buying cell phones.

    11. GUGuest39:44

        I know, that's why I sort of think like that there might become a big problem with that.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:47

        Why?

    13. GUGuest39:47

        Just because-

    14. TPTom Papa39:47

        What is neural link?

    15. GUGuest39:48

        I don't know.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:49

        But hold on a second, I don't understand-

    17. TPTom Papa39:50

        I know.

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:50

        ... why you think-

    19. GUGuest39:51

        I, I just sort of think that if, uh, in the theory that you're gonna let thousands of people have instant access to the world's knowledge at their finger- (clicking stopwatch) at a, at a thought's, (snaps fingers) like, instant.

    20. TPTom Papa40:02

        Right.

    21. GUGuest40:02

        Uh-huh. That becomes too powerful in the wrong hands, and the people that might have it first might see the f- the future problems of that. I'm just sort of always wondering. I was thinking way too far.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Jamie got high and watched Superman.

    23. GUGuest40:14

        So I was like-

    24. TPTom Papa40:14

        Yeah. (laughs)

    25. GUGuest40:14

        (laughs)

    26. I wasn't very high.

    27. TPTom Papa40:15

        But-

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        That sounds like you got high and watched Superman or something.

    29. TPTom Papa40:17

        (laughs)

    30. GUGuest40:17

        So I guess the answer you say is like, "No, that probably won't be a problem," or?
12. 41:20 – 49:05

    College as a debt trap: admin bloat, loan incentives, and trade-school alternatives

    1. TPTom Papa41:20

       I'm going on some college tours already.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:22

       Jesus Christ.

    3. TPTom Papa41:23

       Yeah. (inhales deeply) Oh my God, it really makes you think. I'm like, "Well, i- do they really need this?" (laughs) This is expensive.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:31

       Oh yeah, man.

    5. TPTom Papa41:32

       Do they really need a degree in all of this? (clicks tongue) I don't know.

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:35

       It's a weird business, man. I don't-

    7. TPTom Papa41:37

       It's a total weird business.

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:38

       I don't know why it costs so much.

    9. TPTom Papa41:40

       I'll tell you why.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:42

        Why?

    11. TPTom Papa41:42

        Because the administrators are all making bank.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:46

        Is that what it is?

    13. TPTom Papa41:47

        Yeah. It's all the money that goes-

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:48

        Well, you, you're going through that right now, so tell me what's going on. Yeah. So all these kids' generations are in debt because they have to take these student loans- Yes.

    15. TPTom Papa41:54

        ... because college is more expensive than ever before. Well, i- it's, it hasn't changed running the university, the em- the teachers what... It's the administration of these giant, um, universities are making so much money. They're making millions and they keep cranking it out and they kee- keep needing to up the, up the rate, and then they make money accessible for the students through loans, and then they keep feeding themselves. It's horrible. It's a horrible, corrupt system.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:23

        And it's, um, it's also subsidized, right?

    17. TPTom Papa42:27

        Well, the government will subsidize some of it, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:28

        Yeah.

    19. TPTom Papa42:29

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:30

        How much does the government subsidize private education?

    21. TPTom Papa42:33

        Private education?

    22. GUGuest42:35

        It's different.

    23. TPTom Papa42:35

        I d- I don't think any.

    24. GUGuest42:36

        Just public?

    25. TPTom Papa42:36

        Yeah.

    26. GUGuest42:36

        Everyone, like you get a FASFA loan though.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:38

        (clears throat)

    28. TPTom Papa42:38

        Yeah. It's so expensive. I mean, you know-

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:41

        It's w- isn't that weird too? There's like state schools, private schools.

    30. TPTom Papa42:44

        Yes.
13. 49:05 – 53:30

    Campus ideology and activism: social incentives, indoctrination claims, and ‘us vs. them’ politics

    1. TPTom Papa49:05

       (inhales deeply) Should it be a requirement that they know what they wanna do before they go into college?

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:09

       No. But, see, what college should be is education. What it really seems to be more is, like, prepping you for the job force.

    3. TPTom Papa49:17

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:17

       You know? I mean, there's education, uh, as well, but it's prepping you for the job force. And (clears throat) nowadays, (inhales deeply) at least in a certain segment of the population, you're, you're getting these colleges that are also, like, socially indoctrinating kids on socialist ideas and a lot of ideas that, (smacks lips) you know, just are contrary to what probably their parents taught them.

    5. TPTom Papa49:40

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:40

       And so then, there's this internal dispute, and who's right and who's wrong, and do I rebel against my parents, and-

    7. TPTom Papa49:47

       Yeah. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:48

       ... go full social justice warrior. And do I-

    9. TPTom Papa49:50

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:51

        You know?

    11. TPTom Papa49:52

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:52

        Do I join the Young Republicans on campus? And, you know, kids are just trying to find who they are.

    13. TPTom Papa49:56

        Yeah. There's definitely ... When you walk onto these campuses, even just to tour them-

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:00

        Mm-hmm.

    15. TPTom Papa50:00

        ... which I never did when I was ... I just, you know, picked one out and went. But you go and y- it, the, the personality of each university is so dominant, as soon as you walk onto the campus.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        Mm-hmm.

    17. TPTom Papa50:09

        I went to some small, uh, really left liberal arts schools, and you just feel ... Like, the posters and everything-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:17

        Yeah.

    19. TPTom Papa50:17

        ... you're just like, "As a, as a white male, you're not welcome (laughs) here at all." And then you go to some other places, and it's just kind of free-flowing, and everybody's just ... It's into this ... They're just all about the football team.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        Have you ever seen a poster that says, "As a white male, you're not welcome here"?

    21. TPTom Papa50:32

        (clicks tongue) Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        Where?

    23. TPTom Papa50:33

        In my daughter's room.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        (laughs)

    25. TPTom Papa50:40

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:41

        That's hilarious.

    27. TPTom Papa50:43

        No, but you know, you get ... Like, it's, like, very, very progressive and very-

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:46

        Mm-hmm.

    29. TPTom Papa50:46

        You know, every, everything is, uh, an issue. And, you know, that's w- where you develop those idea.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:52

        Right.
14. 53:30 – 58:59

    Tiger Woods’ comeback, golf culture, and the fantasy of a disruptive new superstar

    1. TPTom Papa53:30

       Yeah, it really is that. Hey, did you see Tiger yesterday?

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:33

       Dude, I was watching it while we were in Georgia. We were in Georgia for the UFC-

    3. TPTom Papa53:38

       Right.

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:39

       ... and, uh, I had a comedy show out there. And we were ... me and, um, Santino-

    5. TPTom Papa53:43

       Oh, nice.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:43

       ... were watching it on the screen.

    7. TPTom Papa53:44

       Ah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:45

       And-

    9. TPTom Papa53:45

       On Saturday or yesterday?

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:46

        We watched it Friday ... Or was it Friday or Saturday? Saturday. Saturday.

    11. TPTom Papa53:49

        It was Friday, Saturday, and then he won yesterday.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:51

        Well, whatever days it was.

    13. TPTom Papa53:52

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:52

        And I think we watched it two days in a row.

    15. TPTom Papa53:54

        Yes.

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:54

        I think I was in the gym every day we were there. But then, I got home and I saw it on my phone. I was like, "Holy shit." Like, I don't even give a fuck about golf-

    17. TPTom Papa54:01

        I know.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:02

        ... and I'm, I'm happy.

    19. TPTom Papa54:02

        It was powerful.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:03

        The guy made a comeback.

    21. TPTom Papa54:04

        A, a huge comeback. It-

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        Look at that. I mean, that's-

    23. TPTom Papa54:07

        Amazing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:08

        ... crazy.

    25. TPTom Papa54:08

        11 years later. Oh my God.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        I love those ... And so many-

    27. TPTom Papa54:12

        So great.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:12

        Somebody put on Instagram one of my quotes-

    29. TPTom Papa54:16

        Oh, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:16

        ... that I, uh, attached to that. It was pretty cool. That I love a guy get ... Like, I love ... What did I say? "I love a success story, but even more than that, I love a guy fucks his life up and then gets it back together again" story.
15. 58:59 – 1:08:26

    Tradition, fringe jackets, and why some styles only work if you’re Hendrix

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:59

       You know, Scotland's a weird place. Like you have to dress a certain way when you hunt there.

    2. TPTom Papa59:05

       Uh-huh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:05

       Or at least they have a certain way they dress, like a traditional way.

    4. TPTom Papa59:09

       I like that.

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:09

       But it's not like... They don't wear camo.

    6. TPTom Papa59:12

       It's like an outfit.

    7. JRJoe Rogan59:13

       Yeah, it's like an outfit.

    8. TPTom Papa59:14

       Like what do they wear?

    9. JRJoe Rogan59:15

       They wear like clothes.

    10. TPTom Papa59:16

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan59:16

        Like-

    12. TPTom Papa59:17

        Weird.

    13. JRJoe Rogan59:18

        ... old-timey clothes.

    14. TPTom Papa59:19

        I like that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:20

        Yeah.

    16. TPTom Papa59:20

        I like tradition.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:21

        Um, yeah, I know you did. That's why I brought it up.

    18. TPTom Papa59:23

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:23

        Bourdain went, um, hunting in Scotland for his-

    20. TPTom Papa59:27

        Uh-huh.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:27

        ... television show.

    22. TPTom Papa59:28

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:29

        And he had to wear some crazy ass outfit.

    24. TPTom Papa59:31

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:32

        Y- you get suited for this outfit, this traditional hunting outfit.

    26. TPTom Papa59:36

        It's pretty cool.

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:37

        Yeah. A lot of those... But it's, it's, it's r-

    28. TPTom Papa59:40

        It's tradition, it's like-

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:41

        I think a lot of those places like Scotland, too-

    30. TPTom Papa59:43

        Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 2:31:27