Joe Rogan Experience #1286 - Anthony Jeselnik

1. 0:01 – 1:57

   Beards, stage nerves, and tiny performance anxieties

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      ... two, one. Yee-haw! Hello, Anthony Jeselnik. How are you, sir?

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:06

      Great, Joe. Good to see you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      What's going on, buddy? Are you, uh, fully committed to the beard now?

   4. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:10

      Yeah. I wanna keep it as long as I can. I really enjoy it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Are you gonna go mountain man? Or are you gonna just trim?

   6. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:15

      No, I d-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      You trim a little?

   8. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:16

      I trim a little bit. Uh, I just let, like, the lady who cuts my hair trims it every, like, four weeks when I go in for a haircut, but I don't touch it at all. I'm afraid if I tried to trim it, I would just ruin it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Mm.

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:27

       Uh, but I love, love having a beard.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Why do you love having a beard?

   12. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:31

       It is like, it's like sunglasses for the bottom half of your face.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Oh, you get to, like-

   14. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:34

       You know what I mean?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... hide from the world.

   16. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:36

       Kind of, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Ah.

   18. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:37

       It, like, make it ... It, it chills me out a little more.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Mm, yeah.

   20. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:41

       You know? Especially on stage, like, when I'm, um, you're, you're under the lights, you know, uh, and I'm, I'm ... My lip would start to get a little bit sweaty.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs)

   22. AJAnthony Jeselnik0:49

       And then I'm thinking about my lip, and I'm like, "Should I wipe this? Should I move it?" And then I start to sweat more, but now that I have the beard and mustache, if my lip gets a little sweaty, you can't tell. So I don't get more anxious over it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Mm.

   24. AJAnthony Jeselnik1:00

       Uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Interesting.

   26. AJAnthony Jeselnik1:01

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       So you used to, like, think, "Hmm, boy, there's a little, couple of beads-"

   28. AJAnthony Jeselnik1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       "... on that upper lip."

   30. AJAnthony Jeselnik1:06

       Yeah, and I'm like, "Can they see it?"
2. 1:57 – 3:15

   Special release night and the craft of getting better

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      Yeah, high humor. Sweat, like s- like, weird sweat stains. Like, um, when I've done specials, wh- speaking of which, Anthony Jeselnik's new comedy special comes out tonight, I hear.

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:08

      Yup, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      This evening.

   4. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:09

      ... midnight, I guess?

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      Midtown?

   6. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:10

      Netflix does it. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      Ah.

   8. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      You excited?

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:12

       Very excited.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Well, I've been seeing your set. It's fucking fantastic.

   12. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:15

       Thank you. Thank ... I think this is the best, uh, I've ever done. So I'm, uh, I'm pumped for it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       It's the beautiful thing about comedy, man. Keep working, keep paying attention to it, you get better at it.

   14. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:24

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       You know, really. I mean, Dom Irrera and I had this conversation just a couple of months ago. And he was like, "Joe," he goes, "I'm ... Never been better." He goes, "I'm fucking 1- 1,000 years old," he goes, "I've never been better at comedy."

   16. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:33

       Yeah. As long as you don't quit-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       Yeah.

   18. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:35

       ... you know, you don't, you don't, you don't ever get worse, I don't think.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Right. You don't g- ... As long as you don't give up.

   20. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       'Cause some guys don't quit, but they give up.

   22. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:43

       Exactly. Yeah, they just go through the same material every single time, and you're like, "What, uh, what are you doing here?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       (laughs)

   24. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:47

       "You're just, like, you're just trying to get out of the house."

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       (laughs)

   26. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:49

       "You're not trying to get better, uh, every set."

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       There's a little of that. Yeah.

   28. AJAnthony Jeselnik2:53

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah, and so, like, if you're not right ... And that's, I guess that's the difference between also guys who put out specials, or I say women too. Or, and people who don't.

   30. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:02

       Mm-hmm.
3. 3:15 – 5:20

   Jeselnik’s 3-year comedy cycle and the fear of post-tape regret

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      You have a pretty specific schedule you like to follow too, right? If I'm correct.

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:19

      I try. I did a, I did a year in LA, like, at The Store every night, you know, and, like, once a month I'd do Largo and, and try it all out at once. And then, uh, at the end of that year, I had about 40 minutes. Went to clubs for a year, every weekend for a year, and then once that ... Uh, I had the hour after that. Then I did a year of theaters.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      Mm.

   4. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:38

      And at the end of that year, I taped the special and, and, uh, and was done with it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      So you're on, like, a three-year plan.

   6. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:44

      Pretty much.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:44

      (coughs)

   8. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:44

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:45

      Yeah.

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:45

       And that might change, you know, as I've gotten older. Uh, the idea of a four-year plan sounds a little bit nicer.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Ah.

   12. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:51

       Uh, and you, you have other things going on that, uh, that it's not as, I'm not as worried, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. AJAnthony Jeselnik3:57

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       Yeah, um, I was trying, uh, d- I think two years seems to be right for me. But it might be better to give it a little more time, right? Just a little bit more time to tighten things up and polish and, you know, add layers and-

   16. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:11

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       ... m- add extra punchlines. It's like, you, you know those guys, like, in ... When I started out in Boston, there was guys that had been doing it on the same set forever, and there's pros and cons to that. And the pro is goddamn, they had that shit down tight where it was just punchline, rapid punchline, pause, punchline. They knew the, the economy of words was perfect. There was no f- no fat in the bits. They had, they had tightened all that stuff up.

   18. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:37

       Yeah. My, one of my biggest fears is, like, taping the special and then coming up with, like, a great tag.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Yeah.

   20. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:45

       You know what I mean? Like, that I want it to be done when I shoot it, because that feeling is awful.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Yeah, it's the worst.

   22. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:52

       That feeling is awful. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       I've done that.

   24. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:52

       Yeah. So have I.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Sucks.

   26. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:55

       It sucks.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       (laughs)

   28. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:57

       I've actually-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       What did you do?

   30. AJAnthony Jeselnik4:57

       I've gone back and I went, I once went back in, uh, my last special, Thoughts & Prayers, I ADR'd a line. I, like, walked offstage and was like, "Oh, fuck. I should've used this word." And I, it just occurred to me in the moment that I was using the wrong word, so I went back and ADR'd it, and you can obviously tell.
4. 5:20 – 9:00

   ADR, Fear Factor, and why standup doesn’t feel like a job

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      What does E- ADR stand for? I know what it means, but what does it stand for?

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:24

      I- I don't-

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      Jamie knows.

   4. JVJamie Vernon5:25

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      He's a actual audio guy.

   6. JVJamie Vernon5:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:27

      (laughs)

   8. JVJamie Vernon5:27

      It's a automated dialogue replacement, and why it's automated is lost in my head forever, but that's what it means.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      Ah, okay.

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:33

       I wouldn't have guessed that in a million years.

   11. JVJamie Vernon5:34

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       I woulda never g- ... I knew what it meant. I've done ADR.

   13. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:37

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       But I did it, like, Fear Factor, like, every episode. W- I had to do ADR. It was the worst.

   15. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:43

       Why did you, uh, because you were just mispronouncing names or you would-

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       No, it was usually because they wanted to tighten segments up. Like, you know, we would film for three days and we'd have to slam that down to 44 minutes.

   17. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:55

       Mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       So sometimes you needed brevity or sometimes-

   19. AJAnthony Jeselnik5:58

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       They needed clarification for certain things, like, like, we would explain the rules to them, like, very specifically and they would have to read these rules and it took a long time. But then, like, sometimes in the moment, like, on television, you wouldn't explain it as clearly, like-

   21. AJAnthony Jeselnik6:14

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       ... while we're filming. Like, we would, we would show them, like, "This is what you have to do. This is what... You have to start here. You go from here to there." But sometimes when you would wanna put it on TV, you'd wanna be more precise or more concise.

   23. AJAnthony Jeselnik6:26

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       So I would, every fucking week, I had to do ADR. I hated it.

   25. AJAnthony Jeselnik6:30

       You did?

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yeah.

   27. AJAnthony Jeselnik6:31

       It seems like it would be fun. Like, not- not f-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Fear Factor?

   29. AJAnthony Jeselnik6:35

       Uh, Fear Factor, but just ADR seems like easy, you, it's relaxed, you're just in the booth.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       No, it was boring.
5. 9:00 – 15:09

   Starting out: open mics, comedy classes, and early delusions

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:00

      Yeah. When you started out, where'd you f- what's, what city did you start in?

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:05

      Here, Los Angeles.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:06

      Did you really?

   4. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:06

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:06

      Where? What was your first club?

   6. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:07

      I, uh, my first ever show was at The Belly Room in the Comedy Store.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:11

      No shit.

   8. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:11

      I took a class. I took a class. Uh, Greg Dean, uh, like, I w- I wa- I was working at Borders Books & Music. It was my first job in LA. Remember that pla- like, that-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:20

      Yeah.

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:20

       ... the big bookstore? And I, they, I just found the thinnest book on standup comedy that they had and bought that, and, uh, read it, and at the end it was like, "This guy teaches a class in Santa Monica." So you went and, um, and people were like, uh, surprised that I took a class. It's like, the class didn't teach me how to be like this. It just kinda gave me the courage to go to open mics, and, uh, and, and, and I don't think I could've just gone to an open mic. I was too scared for that. I was, like, 23. Uh, but after the class, you know, I had a seven-minute set that I would go and, uh, go and do.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       What did the class teach you? Like, how do they, how do they start a class out?

   12. AJAnthony Jeselnik9:54

       At f- like, the, there were two sessions. It was like, it was like beginning and advanced, and they would talk a little bit about joke structure, they would talk about, like, simple things like taking the mic out of the stand, you know? Like, b- be careful, 'cause some people walk up and they take their teeth out, you know what I mean?

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       (laughs)

   14. AJAnthony Jeselnik10:08

       And, like, things like don't run the light, show up early, like, things that were just, um, may not have been common sense, but it, like, it gave me comfort to know the rules, uh, so that I could try to break them-

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Mm-hmm.

   16. AJAnthony Jeselnik10:19

       ... you know, uh, later on. And then d- did a s- set at the, uh, Belly Room, like, with a bunch of other, like, people in the class who were all terrible. None of them are doing standup anymore.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       (laughs)

   18. AJAnthony Jeselnik10:28

       And I, like, killed. Like, I thought I killed. I had the tape. I sent it out to everyone. And one of the jokes from that first set I ended up using in the Donald Trump roast.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Really?

   20. AJAnthony Jeselnik10:37

       So I was like, "Oh, wow, maybe there's, like, some gold in there." And I went back, you know, 10 years after I did it and watched the set again and had a panic attack watching myself. Like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       (laughs)

   22. AJAnthony Jeselnik10:46

       ... what, the way it was in my head was not what was on, uh, was not what was on screen. It was, it was bad.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Do you think that's, like, just, like, psychological protectants that you throw up to, I mean, uh, w- what is it that makes you think that you were better back in the day?

   24. AJAnthony Jeselnik11:01

       I think it's excite- it's excitement.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       Right.

   26. AJAnthony Jeselnik11:03

       You know? And just being stupid, you know? Like, when people get into standup later on in life, I'm like, "Uh, I, I don't know if you can do this, because you have to kind of be dumb enough to go through the things you have to do when you start out."

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       (laughs)

   28. AJAnthony Jeselnik11:15

       But I'm glad I was 23 when I was running around to open mics and-

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Yeah.

   30. AJAnthony Jeselnik11:19

       ... uh, and not knowing any better.
6. 15:09 – 27:22

   Finding your voice: imitation, idols, and the Attell effect

   1. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:09

      Did you have like an idol, like someone you were trying to be as a standup?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      (clears throat) Um...

   3. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:14

      Like in the beginning?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      I think when I was there probably a bunch of guys. I sounded a lot like Richard Jeni in the beginning.

   5. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:18

      Mm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      I was kinda stealing, like almost stealing his timing, and then I realized it one ti- one time I was on stage, and I heard myself sound like him, and I was like, "All right, I gotta fix this."

   7. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:28

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      You know? Like-

   9. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:29

      I did that with a, with Dave Attell in New York, where I would like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Everybody did Attell. (laughs)

   11. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:32

       ... I would run downstairs and watch A- E- Attell's set, and then one day, I, I caught myself not doing one of his bits but like one of his mannerism kinda things.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah.

   13. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:41

       And it's just fun to do, and I felt, I was like, "Th- I gotta stop this." And I went and told SD at, the woman who books the Comedy Cellar, I was like, "I gotta stop watching Dave Attell." And I said it like a confessional, and I thought she was gonna be like, "You're not a real comic then. Everyone watches Attell," and she goes, "Good. Like more people should stop watching Dave Attell."

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       (laughs)

   15. AJAnthony Jeselnik15:59

       Like people are just ripping him off, and I understand why, but, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Well, he's got such a bizarre sense of timing-

   17. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:06

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       ... and it's so infectious.

   19. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:07

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       You know?

   21. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:08

       Oh, yeah, just so, so fun-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Yeah.

   23. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:10

       ... so fun to watch.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       I've known Dave for like 28 years, I think, and he's always been like that.

   25. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:16

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       He's always had that very strange way of talking.

   27. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:19

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       You know? "Oh, it's a box." (laughs)

   29. AJAnthony Jeselnik16:22

       I've known him pff- maybe 10 years, and I don't know him at all. You know what I mean? Like we've like talked a couple of times, but I don't know anything about the guy. Uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Yeah.
7. 27:22 – 32:37

   Comedy scenes and rooms: why the Store works (and the Lab doesn’t)

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:22

      Well, he's been doing (laughs) , he's been doing The Lab at the Improv, that little tiny room.

   2. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:26

      Really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:27

      Which is what, 50? 50 seats?

   4. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:28

      Maybe. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:29

      Yeah, he did it, Aziz did it. That's a, that's a place where comedy dies, that little fucked up room.

   6. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:34

      I have always hated that room.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:35

      That room sucks f- every dick on the planet. (laughs)

   8. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:37

      When people are like, "Oh, you can try out new stuff," it's like, "I can try out new stuff in the main room-

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:42

      Yeah.

   10. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:42

       ... with, for a good crowd." Like, why do I want to, uh, do this little terrible room? I don't know why it's even there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:47

       Well, it's a weird one, was 'cause the Belly Room is perfect.

   12. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:51

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:51

       The Belly Room works.

   14. AJAnthony Jeselnik27:53

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:53

       But somewha- for, for some reason that lab seems like, "Why is there comedy here? What is, why is the door right there? Why is the street right there?" What is this?

   16. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:01

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       What is this here?

   18. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:02

       I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:02

       What do you got going on here?

   20. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:03

       Everything about it is bad.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:04

       Yeah. Like, I t- I was trying to tell them, I go, "Turn that into the comics' green room." Like, "No, there's good comedy there," I'm like, "Shut your mouth. You shut your mouth, you turn that into the comics' green room." (laughs)

   22. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       They used to be where the bar was, remember?

   24. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:15

       I know. I know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:16

       They used to be like where everybody'd hang out before the show. And then-

   26. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:18

       It was great.

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:19

       It was great. And you'd go in the other room, uh, to go on stage, and you would go from that part to go on stage. Now everybody goes from the front door to go on stage, so you're trapped in that little hallway.

   28. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:28

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:28

       And you're like, "Where the fuck, how do I, where do I hide?"

   30. AJAnthony Jeselnik28:31

       Yeah.
8. 32:37 – 1:21:48

   Roast Battle and the discipline of forced writing

   1. AJAnthony Jeselnik32:37

      Do you like Roast Battle? Do you like, uh, judging that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:41

      I get ... I cringe sometimes 'cause they're so fucking mean. (laughs)

   3. AJAnthony Jeselnik32:47

      Yes. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:48

      Sometimes people are so mean, you know? Um, uh, but I do like it. I do love the writing aspect of it. I love the fact that it's a joke writer's form. But I don't wanna name any names, but there's one comic that I'm friends with that does really well on Roast Battle, and I said, "Hey man, how come you, when you roast, you have all this good new material, but you're doing the same stupid shit when you go on stage all the time? Like, you've been doing the same set for years. You're not, you're not advancing 'cause you're not writing a lot, but you're writing a lot when you write for roasts."

   5. AJAnthony Jeselnik33:20

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:21

      And I'm like, "You should treat, like, your material, like, the same way you treat your material when you have to roast." Like, the thing about the roast is, like, say if, uh, you are gonna roast with Tony Hinchcliffe. You guys know each other. You, you know who you're writing for. "All right, Tony, what does he look like? He looks like..." You know, and you start fucking around with, "Oh, I know this about Tony and that about Tony. This is gonna be funny." And it forces you to be creative-

   7. AJAnthony Jeselnik33:45

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:45

      ... whereas I think there's so many guys that they, they develop, um, a framework of a set, and then they just kind of, like, that, that is their comfort. The comfort is in the fact that they know, even if it's not good, they know that they can go from this to that and that to this, and they know where they're going, and they don't, they're not lost, you know?

   9. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:02

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:03

       And I think that the beautiful thing about the roast is none of that material you can do in any other place.

   11. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:10

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:10

       You can only do it right there, so you have to work on the ... And so oftentimes you see, like, what a comic's capable of when they're roasting versus what they're doing when they're actually doing their real set, which seems stale.

   13. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:21

       Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's almost, um ... I agree with everything that you're saying, that it's almost like, uh, it's not beneficial-

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       Right.

   15. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:29

       ... to be, like, a really good b- at Roast Battle and not as a stand-... Like, it takes, it can take away from standup, and people think it's, like, this, this path to glory, and I'm not sure that it is-

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       No, I don't think it is.

   17. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:40

       ... for everyone.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:40

       I think it's a good exercise if you're, if you're treating all of your comedy the way you treat the Roast Battle. Like, you're always working on it.

   19. AJAnthony Jeselnik34:47

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:47

       But I think there's a lot of guys who just aren't working on it. I think part of our problem is there's no o- other art form like standup where there's li-... Like you were telling me, you were saying how you took a class to learn to get on stage, but you were quick to add, and almost every great comic does this, that you really didn't learn anything in that class.

   21. AJAnthony Jeselnik35:06

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       But it, but it got you to the stage.

   23. AJAnthony Jeselnik35:07

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:07

       That's weird that there's nothing. Like, the best education that we have is talking to each other. Like, like, "How do you write? How do you do it?" And I'm always c-... I've been doing comedy 30 years, and I'm st- always like, "How do you do it? What are you doing? What are you doing this way? Are you doing it that way? What do you wri-... Do you write it out?" Like, e- everybody's got a different thing. Like, Bill Burr doesn't write anything out. He just, he has notes and works it out on stage. You know, he writes it i- wri- he has these ideas in his head, and then he rants, and you know, he uses his podcast to develop a lot of his material because his podcast is unique in that it's just him talking.

   25. AJAnthony Jeselnik35:41

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:42

       But everybody's got a different thing, and there's no one who's right. Like-

   27. AJAnthony Jeselnik35:45

       No, no one is right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       No one's right.

   29. AJAnthony Jeselnik35:47

       I l- this, was it Stan Hope who said that if you tell, if you give a comic advice, you're just telling them how to be more like you?

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       Mm-hmm.

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