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Joe Rogan Experience #1289 - Eddie Izzard

Eddie Izzard is a British stand-up comedian, actor, writer and political activist. He's currently on a world tour with his show "WUNDERBAR" and can be seen in the US this summer.

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May 3, 20192h 56mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:012:00

    Coffee, “herbs,” and why English diverged in the US vs UK

    1. JR

      Three, two, one. Boom, and we're live. How are you? What's going on?

    2. EI

      I'm good. I'm pouring coffee in the first seconds...

    3. JR

      Perfect.

    4. EI

      ... of our chat.

    5. JR

      That's the good way to do it.

    6. EI

      With a cafetiere-

    7. JR

      Good way to-

    8. EI

      ... cafetiere, I think it is. I think that's f- f- named in a French way.

    9. JR

      A French press? That's what they're called?

    10. EI

      Is it called... Well, it's called a, I think it's called a cafetiere, but it's probably called a pot of coffee. But, um-

    11. JR

      That makes sense.

    12. EI

      But you know-

    13. JR

      That there's a French word for it that we just ignore here in America. (laughs)

    14. EI

      I know, 'cause they, they did invent a lot of the food. You know, 'cause you have, um, herbs. You know herbs?

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. EI

      And I used to do this bit of material, which I really enjoyed saying, you know, the difference between British and American, you say this, you say that. And, uh, you say herbs and we say herbs because there's a fucking H in it.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. EI

      And I used to... (laughs)

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. EI

      I used to say because there's a fucking H. But, and I thought, "Well, why has the H dropped off for America?" And I think it's because put, a lot of French guys would have come over, immigration, and they would have done a lot of cooking, you know, so now these French guys know about cooking.

    21. JR

      Ah.

    22. EI

      And they do the herbs, and they, they cut the H off totally. So I think that was an influence from that.

    23. JR

      Probably Julia Child.

    24. EI

      Julia Child? Is she French?

    25. JR

      Yeah, I think. Wasn't she?

    26. EI

      She is now. I think she's-

    27. JR

      I mean, she's into French cooking.

    28. EI

      Oh, right. Okay, but that, that-

    29. JR

      That was her thing, right?

    30. EI

      ... Lafayette, maybe Lafayette is sitting next to Washington saying, "We will use herbs with the stuff here."

  2. 2:003:09

    Accents, Boston speech, and learning American ‘R’ sounds

    1. JR

      I, I agree. Yeah, I always wondered, 'cause I grew up in Boston, and I always wondered, like, those were the first people to leave England and Europe.

    2. EI

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      Like, what the fuck happened to their language? 'Cause they developed the most disgusting brand of it.

    4. EI

      Well, you've got your A's, your Boston A's, which I can't hear a strong Boston coming out of you.

    5. JR

      Yeah, I got rid of it.

    6. EI

      All right.

    7. JR

      I heard myself on television once when I was, like, 19 years old. I was like, "Holy shit, what is that?" (laughs)

    8. EI

      Well, you guys had, or y- well, you used to have, uh, the mother, father, brother, sister.

    9. JR

      Pack.

    10. EI

      Ah. Ah.

    11. JR

      You fucking cock.

    12. EI

      And it's the ah.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. EI

      And we say mother, brother, father, sister. We don't have an R at the end of our mother, brother, father, sister.

    15. JR

      A mother.

    16. EI

      And you in Boston-

    17. JR

      Mother.

    18. EI

      Yeah. We say mothah instead of mothur.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. EI

      And y- the rest of America has, has a much stronger R. And Ireland has that, that's a very Irish influenced thing. And for us, the R, when we're playing, when I'm playing American, when I was in, you know, doing roles like that, the R was the hardest thing to get.

    21. JR

      Ah.

    22. EI

      Hard, hard tar. I remember friends saying, "Hey, I was cooking this thing," and it came out, like, "hard, hard tar." And I thought, "That is the one to practice," 'cause that is just, "hard, hard tar." We'd call it hot, hot tar, which is, just doesn't sound the same.

  3. 3:097:40

    Travel as perspective: Thailand, Vietnam, and dropping historical baggage

    1. JR

      You've spent a lot of time over y- I've only... The only, the only time I've ever spent in, uh, England is working. Uh, like, a little bit of, you know, downtime, doing standup and, and hanging out over there, but most of it's just been working.

    2. EI

      Right.

    3. JR

      Either working for the UFC or... I've never even really get a chance to really spend time in England. I'd like to. I'd like to do that just to kind of understand you folks.

    4. EI

      Well, I think-

    5. JR

      You're a different breed.

    6. EI

      When... I think at the base, having played 45 countries now, I think everyone is actually the same when you get down below a level. But, you know, if you're gonna reach for you, there's got to be a number of things which would make it seem different, and brand names will all be different and your sports stars, you know, everyone's a sports star to everyone, everyone has politicians and everything, that kind of thing.

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. EI

      But underneath it all, it's gonna be, there's gonna be more mainstream people, there's gonna be alternative people, there's gonna be-

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. EI

      ... and the whole spectrum now. Like in the old days, it used to be everything was mainstream, then a bit of alternative. Now, we, I think your country and my country, we have a whole spectrum of what interests people. It's much more open in that way.

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. EI

      See what I'm saying?

    13. JR

      Yeah, no, I, I, I certainly agree. We, yeah, it's the, the, the collection of people is very similar. It's just they're operating in a different environment, a different theater, right?

    14. EI

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. EI

      And, uh, you know, we're tightly smashed together. What are we? 65 million and you're 300 million, and you're such a large, your country's so large compared to us.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. EI

      Um, 'cause there was this thing of 10, only 10% of Americans have passports, but if you look at the area-

    19. JR

      Is that real?

    20. EI

      Something like that. But then if you look at where the 10% can go in America, it's just so huge.

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. EI

      So it's slightly more understandable why a lot of Americans say, "I don't need a passport because I'm just gonna go to that place which is miles away."

    23. JR

      That's understanding of you, but I think, you know, I think it would do everybody good-

    24. EI

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      ... to go somewhere like, like Asia. Like A- every time I go to Asia, I always think, "Okay, people are like this too."

    26. EI

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like, this is-

    28. EI

      Right.

    29. JR

      ... this is an interesting thing to experience.

    30. EI

      Travel.

  4. 7:4014:08

    Special Forces dreams, long-term strategy, and Eddie’s gender-fluid life

    1. EI

      ... they can run it however they want to run it. But, um, yeah, it's, it's tragic the things the world's getting in to. I was gonna be in the military when I was a kid. That was one of my ... I wanted to be in Special Forces. And when you look at me now, being a transgender guy with that ... but yeah, that was where I was. I know Trump wouldn't have let me in the-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. EI

      ... Forces right now if I went and applied right this second. Um, but yeah, so I follow everything, I, I kind of run my life on, on a military ... That sounds a bit weird. I run my career on a military thing, 'cause it's quite difficult to, you know, any career putting it together is kind of weird, what's your next move, what's this, but-

    4. JR

      How so? You like, you like strategize and that?

    5. EI

      Oh, yeah. Strategy out the wazoo. I plan 50 years ahead.

    6. JR

      Really?

    7. EI

      Oh, yeah. Well, if you think about it, you come out as tr- I came out as transgender 34 years ago. That's not the first good thing that an agent wants to hear. "You're transgender? That's 85."

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. EI

      This is such a hot thing. This is, even now, they would say, "Okay, well, it's got a little better than it was for f- uh, five, 10 millennia. It's a little better now, but it's still not the hottest ticket that everyone's ... We want transgender guys in here for this, that, and the other." It's not the top of the list.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. EI

      And I've also got boy mode and girl mode, and I do ph- drama- dramatic films in boy mode, and then I'm touring in girl mode and doing standup, and I campaign for politics in girl mode. And I just s- switch back-

    12. JR

      How do you do that?

    13. EI

      I just switch, change, you know, take off heels, flat shoes, and-

    14. JR

      Yeah, because if you were just talking, like if you, you didn't have makeup on, and you didn't have the heels and the nails, you just seem male.

    15. EI

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. EI

      Well, it's, uh, it's, I think it's genetically inbuilt, you know, there's some, I think there's quite a lot of people maybe who were, um, uh, the, the way their li- they live their lives, they have their own personality, they're not particularly male or female-

    18. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    19. EI

      ... I feel. But I feel, I've always felt since I was four or five I wanted to express this side of myself, and it's built in, I think it's genetic. Um, and if you analyze masculine and feminine, if you really get down to it, you ca- I, it's, I find it impossible to come up with anything that was particularly masculine, particularly feminine except for the ability to build muscle mass is easier for men, in inverted commas.

    20. JR

      Hmm.

    21. EI

      That's it, but you know, great footballers, so soccer players, men and women, athletics, runners, men and women, strong character mens, weak character-

    22. JR

      Sure.

    23. EI

      ... men and women, um, mathematicians, whatever, whatever it is, there's nothing that you can really say, "Ah, that is only ... Good shot and with a gun." No, anyone could do that. It's, uh, we're all humans, and so ... And we get fixated by the masculine and feminine.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. EI

      Whereas if it's a tiger, if a tiger's attacking you and trying to kill you, you don't go, "Now, is this a girl tiger or a boy tiger?" We don't care about it, and they don't care either, the tigers.

    26. JR

      So you've always felt g- like you gravitated towards feminine things, towards-

    27. EI

      No, gravitated towards both. I, I, I had-

    28. JR

      Hmm.

    29. EI

      I gravitated towards playing soccer. I was in the first team for two years when I was a kid, was planning to do Officer Training Corps and then go Marines or Paras and then go into the Special Forces, RSAS, which would be the equivalent of your Delta Force. Um, and that was a distinct plan, I knew a lot about that. And I thought, "Which war are they gonna send me to? Actually, which war will they send me to? And it could be the idiots that I'm at school with will send me to the wrong war."

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  5. 14:0818:24

    Early stage identity: ‘gimmick’ assumptions, harassment, and standing your ground

    1. JR

      When you w- first started wearing women's clothes and dresses and makeup on stage, did people think it was a gimmick? What did-

    2. EI

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      What did they think?

    4. EI

      They did. I don't e- I d- I decided not to call them women's clothes, just, um, ............................ I just say they're-

    5. JR

      Feminine.

    6. EI

      ... they're my clothes. I would just wear dresses.

    7. JR

      Right.

    8. EI

      You know, like women can wear trousers or pants.

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. EI

      And we used to call that, "Men's pants." And I said, "Oh, they're pants, fuck it." So, um, but yeah, they fi- I first started talking about it and not wearing anything. Uh, again, looked kind of boy like and male like and-

    11. JR

      And you were talking about it like-

    12. EI

      I, I had a first joke. This is my first ever joke. I had this about two years before I did it. I said, "Look, you're doing stand up. Um, so if you're from a minority, it's kind of a good thing. So if you..." In standup terms. So if you're from, uh, a lower in come background, you could say, "Rich people, God, they're, uh, uh, so easy for them." If you're a woman, you say, "Men, ah, men." If you're an ethnic background, you say, "White people." "Oh, those white people." So if you're a white male middle class standup, "Oh, it's useless." So thank God I'm a transvestite.

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. EI

      That was my first laugh. And everyone thought, "He's making jokes about something that he's not." You know, and they, and they wouldn't believe me. And journalists were going, "I don't know why he's doing this."

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. EI

      "'Cause he's doing pretty well now, but this is, I don't know, is this a joke?" So I thought, "I better wear a dress as, you know, put some makeup on." And then they said, "Okay, he's doing this. He is serious, but he looks a mess."

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. EI

      Um, this kind of baby elephant thing I was doing. It was, okay, gotta get your weight under control.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. EI

      You should get a better haircut than that. And you just gotta fail a lot. And there's a humiliation period. I mean, this is the weird thing about coming out, that it, it's kind of humiliating. People will say, "You look like..." People will say h- horrible things. What do they say? "Uh, what the fuck is that?" Somebody said to my face right there.

    21. JR

      Oh.

    22. EI

      As I was walking out of a restaurant. So I thought, "That's not very nice." And you have to be able to deflect it and go, "Well, you're obviously a scumbag, so fuck you, man." So I-

    23. JR

      Is it mostly men?

    24. EI

      Yes. And occasionally women.

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. EI

      Occasionally women, but, uh, yeah. I mean, you know, it's low, people of low, lower character they are-

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. EI

      ... or lesser character. If you're a strong character in yourself, you, you don't care. Live and let live, what the hell?

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. EI

      You know, people, "Okay, doesn't quite look together, but you know, life's tough enough." But if, if you wanna put someone down, you raise your own status by doing that.

  6. 18:2424:06

    43 marathons in 51 days: willpower, adaptation, and the ‘zen’ of endurance

    1. JR

      Well, I saw, uh, we were talking before and you were trying to tell me that you were lazy. I'm like, "Fuck you." I saw that thing that you did, that documentary where you ran a series of marathons in a row-

    2. EI

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... with no training at all. And I remember thinking before that, I had this opinion of you. And the opinion of you was you're a funny guy, you're a funny comedian, um, you, you have good stand-up, you obviously work hard at it. But then I saw that and I was like, "Oh, okay, there's something going on there." Like, you're, this is a different kind of human being.

    4. EI

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      The kind of human being that can push themselves into doing that day after day after day. And I looked at your feet where your skin was literally falling off and you're taping everything up. And, um, that's a, that's a person that's got... You have an iron will. Like, that's a very unusual will for, uh, a comedian who doesn't really exercise. Like, when you were doing them, you were... I mean, you maybe exercised a little bit, but you weren't in shape.

    6. EI

      No.

    7. JR

      And you decided to run how many marathons in a row?

    8. EI

      W- was it the UK one? Was it the, the first-

    9. JR

      What are-

    10. EI

      ... one. Yeah, that was 43 in 51 days.

    11. JR

      43 marathons in a row in 51 days with no training.

    12. EI

      At a def week. I did have training though, six weeks training.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. EI

      Which is not a lot. But they did, they said that, you know, sometimes if you run a marathon you should train for nine months before that.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. EI

      And I thought, "Well, if I'm gonna do 43, that's gonna be, I'm gonna be training forever."

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. EI

      And I can't be bothered with that. So I, but, you know, and this happened in your civil war, in maybe in any war, uh, I, I, I'm quite, somewhat encyclopedic about your civil war and, and revolution more to a bit and, but, World War II, but tr- on the spot training. You know, training as you go along.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. EI

      That's what I did. The first 10 marathons trains you for the next 33.

    21. JR

      What was it like when you got over the first day, though? The first marathon, you must have been like-

    22. EI

      First, first day's okay.

    23. JR

      ... "What the fuck?"

    24. EI

      No, first day is okay.

    25. JR

      Really?

    26. EI

      Because, well, it's, it's, it's all in your head. There's a, um... I- it's more mental than it is physical. And so the first marathon, I've heard of people running marathons, run, walk, stagger, not very fast, blu, blu, blu, get it done, boom. The second marathon is weird 'cause you go, "I've done one, I'm on the second." And you can't really rejoice, you can't punch the sky, you can't put a medal around your neck. You're already, you got up at 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning and you're, it's midday and you're, you're going through your second one. And then you're through the third one, and then you're through the fourth one. And then it was raining and my feet were shredding, and I thought-

    27. JR

      From the moisture?

    28. EI

      Uh, it was, yes-

    29. JR

      'Cause the, the-

    30. EI

      ... it made it too soft-

  7. 24:0633:41

    Rhabdo, statins, and the South Africa Mandela run (plus real danger on the route)

    1. EI

      So this is really slow, but then having done 42 marathons, it's, maybe it's fair. And, uh, I, I missed it by about 30 seconds. But it was...It was beautiful to finish it. I was really quite strong all the way through. I didn't stop at any time. That was, that was good. In South Africa, though, I, uh, I did 27 in 27 days. So a salute to Nelson Mandela's 27 years in prison. On day five, they put me in hospital because they thought my kidneys were giving up. Uh-

    2. JR

      Were you experiencing rhabdo? Is that what it is?

    3. EI

      Rhabdomyolysis. You know about rhabdo.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. EI

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. EI

      Yeah. You're the first person I've ever talked to who's known about rhabdomyolysis. (laughs) Yeah, I got rhabdo in 2012, um, and-

    8. JR

      How'd you get that?

    9. EI

      I was on a, a anti-cholesterol drug, just a sort of health drug. Your cholesterol's a bit high, take this thing once a day. And side effect is rhabdomyolysis.

    10. JR

      Jesus.

    11. EI

      Which I couldn't spell, being dyslexic. And I was peeing brown pee.

    12. JR

      Hmm.

    13. EI

      And, and, uh, did it, there was no real pain, a lot of lethargy. I was really tired. I thought, "This is a bit weird."

    14. JR

      And this is without exercise, you were getting it?

    15. EI

      Uh. (coughs) I was on marathon three and marathon four, so I had trained... Had I trained before that? I'd done some training before that one. I'm a bit weird with my training. But yeah, so there wasn't a huge amount of training before that one, but, uh, my third marathon and I started peeing a bit of brown pee.

    16. JR

      This was not through the whole series of marathons, or it was?

    17. EI

      No. Well, I, I tried to do South Africa twice.

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. EI

      So 2012 was my first one. After day four, on a, an anti, um, cholesterol drug, uh, trying to control my cholesterol and, and I started broiling brown pee. And then they said, "You've got to go to a hospital now." The guys there, "You, we've got to put fluids through you." You have to go see a specialist. The specialist said, "You can't continue this 27 thing because you have to get all this stuff out of your system. Otherwise, the kidneys..." Because the, it shreds the mu- you know this.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. EI

      It shreds the muscles into the bloodstream.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. EI

      Clogs up kidneys, kidney failure.

    24. JR

      Very dangerous.

    25. EI

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      A lot of fighters get it.

    27. EI

      Really?

    28. JR

      Yeah. Yeah, um, a fighter died from it, um, recently in Boston, in the Massachusetts area. Yeah, it's, uh, it's apparently, um, something that happens when fighters overtrain as well. Like sometimes they're not doing it scientifically, so they're not analyzing their heart rate, their heart rate variability.

    29. EI

      Right.

    30. JR

      And they don't know that they haven't really truly recovered and they continue to push themselves because they, they want to prepare harder.

  8. 33:411:04:33

    Judo mastery videos and why jiu-jitsu lets smaller people win

    1. JR

      There's a fantastic video online of a very old judo expert and I think he's in his 70s or his 80s, and he's working out with these young men. And you see his mastery of judo as these young, powerful men try to manipulate him and throw him around and he effortlessly ... Watch this. This old man, when you see him he's very, very old, and he's throwing these guys around and m- me as a martial arts expert, these, these men are not doing this willingly. This is legitimate. Like even that guy tries to throw him, and this is a blackbelt who's trying to throw him, but he's so good and his, his use of balance and leverage is so amazing. He just knows where to be, like see how he-

    2. EI

      Yeah, yeah, that is-

    3. JR

      ... he just throws himself into a perfect position. I mean, it's really stunning to watch. And this looks like it was from the '50s or something like that, because it's a really old bl- Yeah. Does it say? No, no. Okay. It just says, "75-year-old judo master." I mean, this is an old man and the, the young man is much larger than him.

    4. EI

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I mean, significantly, like 25% larger than him at least. Maybe even ... Look at him. He looks like he's twice as big as him. And he cannot throw this old man. It's really amazing. Judo is, uh, a beautiful art.

    6. EI

      Oh, he, he's, he's going more and more full on, isn't he?

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. EI

      He's going, "I gotta get this guy."

    9. JR

      He's trying. I mean, he knows-

    10. EI

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... that this guy's a master, but it's just ... Look at that.

    12. EI

      God.

    13. JR

      Like, it's incredible. I mean, the way that guy's body can toss these people through the air and yet they, they are helpless. They can't do anything to him.

    14. EI

      Yeah, there's no way that-

    15. JR

      Look at that. Boom.

    16. EI

      Three times.

    17. JR

      75 years old. I mean, that, that hurts my hips just looking at that, you know.

    18. EI

      Now y- you, you can have many different martial arts that you're good at?

    19. JR

      Yeah, yeah.

    20. EI

      And which ones do you, you-

    21. JR

      Jujitsu and s- striking martial arts. My background was in striking which is in Taekwondo and then eventually kickboxing and Muay Thai and then I got really into jujitsu when I got older.

    22. EI

      And what, and jujitsu, what's the difference in jujitsu?

    23. JR

      Jujitsu's a grappling, it's almost like-

    24. EI

      Right.

    25. JR

      ... choking people. It's like, you, it's not throws like judo. There are throws in jujitsu, but they're ... It really comes from judo. It comes from the ground fighting aspect of judo-

    26. EI

      Right.

    27. JR

      ... which is not as emphasized, but the Brazilians really, uh, really emphasized it and were sort of, uh, they, they figured out what the best way for a smaller person to defeat a larger person is.

    28. EI

      Ah, gorgeous.

    29. JR

      Through leverage and ... Jujitsu's really the only martial art- (coughs) ... that I can think of that works like you think of a martial art in a movie. Like, in a Bruce Lee movie, like, there's all these people and they were always bigger than Bruce Lee, but Bruce Lee fucked them all up. But in the real world, that doesn't usually work. Like, the bigger people have such a giant advantage when it comes to, like, striking.

    30. EI

      Yeah.

  9. 1:04:331:15:31

    Politics ambitions: UK election timing, ‘radical moderate,’ and a global fairness agenda

    1. JR

      So, you are running for something now? What are you doing?

    2. EI

      Um, I'm gonna g- I've said that for nine years, quite consistently, I would like to say, uh, that I was gonna run in 2020. We, we had set terms in our, in our politics, like you always had. You've had a four-year, we had arranged into a five-year, but then we've gone back to the old system, which is where the Prime Minister of the country can choose when they have an election. And it can be anywhere up to a day, you know, the next day after the election or, uh, up to five years later. So, we have no idea when that-

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