Joe Rogan Experience #1290 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Brian Callen. …

   1. BCBryan Callen0:00

      Brian Callen.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Mm-hmm. Yes! And we're live-

   3. BCBryan Callen0:04

      Live!

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      ... Brian Callen. We're live.

   5. BCBryan Callen0:06

      We are live.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      We're live, ladies and gentlemen.

   7. BCBryan Callen0:09

      We are live. I've been listening to Radio Lab on the way over here.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Ah.

   9. BCBryan Callen0:13

      And, um, they have a new episode out about the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Yeah.

   11. BCBryan Callen0:19

       Holy shit, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Right.

   13. BCBryan Callen0:21

       Would you-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Apparently, they, th- tell me if I'm right about this before you tell me more-

   15. BCBryan Callen0:25

       Okay.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       ... because I wanna see if I have a little knowledge.

   17. BCBryan Callen0:28

       Go ahead.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       There is an under, like, there's a v- very hard layer of rock-

   19. BCBryan Callen0:36

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       ... that covers a large part of the Earth.

   21. BCBryan Callen0:41

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       And that is proof that somehow there was an asteroid that hit and it be- got really, really hot and the rock got m- essentially-

   23. BCBryan Callen0:50

       That is a moron's version-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       (laughs)

   25. BCBryan Callen0:53

       ... of the science-

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       I-

   27. BCBryan Callen0:54

       ... that they clearly lay out. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       And that, by the way, is the worst thing. I'm also like, "There's rock that got melted."

   29. BCBryan Callen1:00

       They, this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       "And it was under the ground."
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That is crazy as…

   1. BCBryan Callen15:00

      just killed-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      That is crazy as shit.

   3. BCBryan Callen15:02

      They just killed-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      That's crazy.

   5. BCBryan Callen15:04

      What's crazy is lions will take a chance on elephants- No, I think not.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      I know.

   7. BCBryan Callen15:08

      ... which is just so- so nuts. They- th- they will take a chance to try to kill an elephant. They'll jump on their back, they'll try to jack them.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Well, when you go to a game reserve in South Africa, you can't... Y-... It has to be big enough to sustain lions 'cause it's super expensive 'cause they're just... A pride of lions will eat everything.

   9. BCBryan Callen15:25

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       So, you gotta keep replenishing the animals-

   11. BCBryan Callen15:27

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       ... because they just... they're just too effective.

   13. BCBryan Callen15:30

       Well, you know after that dentist shot Cecil the lion-

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Yeah.

   15. BCBryan Callen15:33

       ... it became this international outrage?

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Yeah.

   17. BCBryan Callen15:36

       They banned the lion hunting. And because of that people didn't want to go back and they weren't getting the money from it, so they wound up euthanizing like 200 lions-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       I know.

   19. BCBryan Callen15:47

       ... because their ungulate population was getting devastated.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Mm-hmm.

   21. BCBryan Callen15:50

       But m-... What made me think when I heard that, I was like, "How many lions are they killing?" Like, how many people are going over there to hunt lions?

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       It s-... It brings them good money. I mean-

   23. BCBryan Callen15:59

       How weird is that?

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       ... a huge part of South Africa's, you know, the... Like, part of the conservation efforts are that-

   25. BCBryan Callen16:04

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       ... you know, big game. You can f-... You can hunt the big five or whatever they call it.

   27. BCBryan Callen16:08

       Yes, that's exactly what they call it. But I mean-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       But it's... It's a lot of money.

   29. BCBryan Callen16:11

       I- i- it is a lot of money and it brings them a lot of money. And it brings them a lot of money for conservation and all that stuff, but what a weird activity. Is there an activity that's more human in that, like, we are so conflicted and so weird that the only way we have animals that stay alive in this part of the world, like, where they're in record populations-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Uh, you mean- …

   1. BCBryan Callen30:00

      Lomachenko and him. That's the argument.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Uh, you mean-

   3. BCBryan Callen30:03

      Those two guys are number one.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      (sighs) Yeah.

   5. BCBryan Callen30:05

      (coughs) I mean, who do you think is number one? I mean, I think- I think the argument-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      You talking about Earl Spence or you're talking about Crawford?

   7. BCBryan Callen30:09

      Crawford. Crawford, Lomachenko.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      I don't know if they've fought, I don't know if... 'Cause I don't think Crawford's fought enough competition... Like, when he fights Earl Spence, and the... I- I think that Lomachenko has probably had more fights than you can really get into this conversation, 'cause he beats-

   9. BCBryan Callen30:25

      But he hasn't. He has less fights.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       He beats everybody though.

   11. BCBryan Callen30:27

       But he's had less fights.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Has he- has he- has he had less fights?

   13. BCBryan Callen30:28

       Yeah. He won the world title with like four fights.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       I, uh-

   15. BCBryan Callen30:31

       Or, or was it... How many fights? It, it was, like, something ridiculous like that. I mean, he fought a world-class-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Who, who-

   17. BCBryan Callen30:37

       ... fighter his first time out.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       The... When I saw him fight, uh, Jorge, um, what was that? Th- the, uh, amazing Mexican fighter, uh, or May- uh, summer like that. Who was the guy he fought?

   19. BCBryan Callen30:46

       Pull up his record here.

   20. NANarrator30:47

       He's 13 and 1 and Crawford's 35 and 0.

   21. BCBryan Callen30:50

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Wow.

   23. BCBryan Callen30:51

       Big difference.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       But, but boxing's tricky that way, right? So what's, what's the level of competition as they bring you up slow, you know?

   25. BCBryan Callen30:56

       Well, the difference is Lomachenko had an extensive amateur background-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yes, 300 fights w- yes.

   27. BCBryan Callen31:00

       ... internationally, and he's... But so did Crawford. Crawford had a great amateur background too. Look, Crawford... The, the, the difference is Crawford's way bigger.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Yeah.

   29. BCBryan Callen31:07

       That's the difference. If they were the same size, it would be really interesting to see what would happen.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Wow. …

   1. BCBryan Callen45:00

      civilizations in, in the Americas, in North Americas, particularly in the Amazon. That, that they think that there was millions of people living in the Amazon, but when the European explorers came over here, they gave them smallpox and wiped out-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Wow.

   3. BCBryan Callen45:12

      ... everyone.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Yeah.

   5. BCBryan Callen45:13

      And they came back hundreds of years later and there was nothing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Yep.

   7. BCBryan Callen45:16

      Like the, the entire civilization wiped out by diseases.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Didn't they, didn't they... I think, I feel like in 1492 or whatever, uh, there was a... I think when the Spanish came up through the Mississippi Delta, the same thing.

   9. BCBryan Callen45:28

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, same thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Yeah.

   11. BCBryan Callen45:29

       They wiped out 90... but like p- a lot of people think that the genocide of the Native Americans was just European soldiers and, and people and settlers killing Native Americans, which did happen.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Yeah, but it was also influenza.

   13. BCBryan Callen45:40

       But 90% of them were killed by disease.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Yeah.

   15. BCBryan Callen45:45

       90%. Like th- the entire population was dead-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Well, they even had, they even had certain government policies where they're like, "You missionaries are going out there and trying to convert them to Christianity. You're giving them your diseases."

   17. BCBryan Callen45:56

       They knew that back then?

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       They knew that. They were like, "You're, you're... they're, they're getting sick and they're dying of..." you know, they were... all of a sudden they were like, "We're getting these colds and people are dying." They didn't have any resistance to it.

   19. BCBryan Callen46:07

       Isn't that crazy?

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yeah.

   21. BCBryan Callen46:09

       That those dirty Europeans with their shit water chutes outside their house-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       (laughs) That's what-

   23. BCBryan Callen46:14

       ... and all the fucking vermin running around and...

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       That was War of the Worlds. Remember War of the Worlds, the, the movie?

   25. BCBryan Callen46:18

       That's right. The disease.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       How'd they die? They weren't ready for pathogens.

   27. BCBryan Callen46:21

       That's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       That's my whole philosophy on... we all try to be tough. One of the things about all of us as men or anybody is we hate to be vulnerable, so, you know, I train and I, I stay in shape. I eat well and I wanna live forever.

   29. BCBryan Callen46:34

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       I don't think there's anything, such thing as... I don't think there's... you can be really ready for a situation, you know, in a bar I guess, and then you get bit by a tick or you get a flesh eating disease. (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:42

   They're nerds- …

   1. BCBryan Callen1:00:00

      are nerds.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      They're nerds-

   3. BCBryan Callen1:00:01

      They're super nerds.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      ... but they're very aggressive nerds and they're very thoughtful-

   5. BCBryan Callen1:00:03

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      ... nerds and they're very competitive nerds.

   7. BCBryan Callen1:00:05

      Oh, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      So I don't consider them the meek. I think, I think-

   9. BCBryan Callen1:00:08

      Who's the meek?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

       So I think the meek, the, the philosophy behind that, uh, and- and I- and I- and I think the United States also works on this premise in a sense, is the- the American dream. So what keeps the masses from rising up and taking the money from, people who- who d- the have-nots from taking money from the haves? And especially when the haves, you know, are- are rather slim in number in comparison to the large pa- portion of the population that has, say, like, $500 in the bank. Well, what's great about the United States, what's always worked about the United States, the reason we don't have these, the French Revolution in this country, is because the American dream is about potential. There is a potential. I may not have money now, but I may and I will, because I know I will because I'm an optimist, I will be...... in the 1% eventually. I got an idea, bro. I'm telling you, it's a great idea. And people need that hope. You take that hope away, you take the ability, you take the idea that there's no way I can ever esteem out of my condition, you better be careful. That's what, that's, th- so potential, the potential to be better, the potential to be wealthier. Th- think about how all of us, a lot of us as we're, as we get older if we're doing the right thing.

   11. BCBryan Callen1:01:23

       Do you think that's what, "The meek will inherit the earth," meant?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       I think it's in that area.

   13. BCBryan Callen1:01:27

       I think it meant that people that aren't creating war was probably the people that were left over.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       No, I think it's a way-

   15. BCBryan Callen1:01:32

       So everyone's getting hacked each other to pieces.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       No. No, I think it's a, I think it's a way of getting people to at least live with the fact that, "I'm a serf. I'm a peasant. I have no way-"

   17. BCBryan Callen1:01:41

       Really?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       "... to esteem out of my condition, but at least I have the afterlife. At least I know that if I live and I suffer well, and I suffer quietly, and I suffer with dignity, there will be a reward after this."

   19. BCBryan Callen1:01:55

       What is the conventional definition or the conventional meaning to that statement, "The meek will inherit the earth?" Like, what are, h- how do scholars interpret that?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       Well, religious, uh, c-

   21. BCBryan Callen1:02:05

       Right, right, right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       Yeah.

   23. BCBryan Callen1:02:06

       But, I mean, how do they, how do they interpret that? Like, what, what does, what do they think it means?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       I think it's in the same vein as, "It's harder for an, a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

   25. BCBryan Callen1:02:15

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       So- so- th- you know, that the famous story where- where-

   27. BCBryan Callen1:02:18

       Mm-hmm. That's a great quote. I love that quote.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       ... Christ said, "If you wanna follow me," to the rich guy, he said, "give up all your money." And the rich guy turned and hung his head and walked away. And he said, poor guy, "It's so hard for the, for the rich to get, to give up their life of privilege. It's very difficult."

   29. BCBryan Callen1:02:31

       Do you think Jesus was a real person?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

       Historically, I think there was probably a rabbi named Jesus of Nazar- Nazareth. That- that's what, that's what, that seems to be the conclusion among a lot of historians.

Episode duration: 1:44:33