Joe Rogan Experience #1293 - Andrew Santino

Joe Rogan 0:02 Boom, and we're live. Cheeto Santino, ladies and gentlemen, coming to you with the hot ones.

Andrew Santino 0:07 Hello, sir. How are you?

Joe Rogan 0:08 What's going on, big daddy?

Andrew Santino 0:10 Good, brother. Just played a little bit of pool and lost a game, and lost, lost one ill, uh, illegitimately.

Joe Rogan 0:16 You won one illegitimately, you mean?

Andrew Santino 0:18 Lost... L- you lost one illegitimately. I won one.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Well...

Andrew Santino 0:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 You know, it was-

Andrew Santino 0:21 Scratching is not a good way to win.

Joe Rogan 0:23 It... Uh, we, I scratched the eight ball, ladies and gentlemen. It is, it is the way to win.

Andrew Santino 0:26 It happens, even to the best.

Joe Rogan 0:27 But it's, it, it's a real way to win. I'm good. You, uh, you can't... You must control the cue ball.

Andrew Santino 0:35 I have no, I have no balance over any of that stuff whatsoever. I know there's those little red dots on there.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Yeah, those are-

Andrew Santino 0:39 And it means nothing to me.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Those little red dots are the... They call that the measles cue ball, and that cue ball, they developed for television so that you could watch the ball spin so you know what kinda English the guy puts on the ball.

Andrew Santino 0:50 That has nothing to do with the person that's shooting whatsoever?

Joe Rogan 0:53 It does. Yeah, it's... It... The person that, like... For the, for the most... It's a very controversial ball, if you really wanna get into it.

Andrew Santino 1:00 I do.

Joe Rogan 1:00 Because, uh, it has a different reaction than a red circle cue ball or a red dot cue ball. Those are the preferred cue balls of a lot of players.

Andrew Santino 1:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09 But the measles cue ball's a lit-... It's just maybe the tiniest bit heavier, or, or the surface is different or something.

Andrew Santino 1:17 But it's still legal.

Joe Rogan 1:18 The reaction's Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:20 But players got... Some players got angry when they came up with it. They didn't like it. They liked the old cue ball. That's how s- precise the reactions are.

Andrew Santino 1:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:27 When you get to the very top level of pool players.

Andrew Santino 1:30 Well, it's kinda like golf balls, but people think golf balls don't mean anything to golfers. They do.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Oh, I'm sure.

Andrew Santino 1:34 The feel is all... So there's a lot of soft, softer golf balls, like a lot of people, like... Titleist makes pro... There's thing called Pro V1s or Pro V1Xs.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 1:40 Hard or softer. The average Joe who's full of shit, who's like, "I like Pro V1X," it doesn't mean anything to him.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:46 Some guy that's, like, a 15 or 20 handicap, it means nothing. A guy that's, like, a scratch golfer, like a, like a pro pool player-

Joe Rogan 1:52 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 1:52 ... it makes all the difference.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:54 How it comes off the face-

Joe Rogan 1:56 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:56 ... how it spins. There's a thing called a mud ball. If it's buried in mud, it cre- it, it reacts differently the moment it comes off the face.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Oh, because it has mud on it. It's got weight on it.

Andrew Santino 2:03 Yeah, but it's just even a little bit, right?

Joe Rogan 2:05 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

Andrew Santino 2:05 Even the tiniest bit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06 That weight.

Andrew Santino 2:07 Then you hear pros-

Joe Rogan 2:08 The thing about... That's impressive about golfers too is they play with a bunch of different weights of clubs.

Andrew Santino 2:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12 S-... Like, a pool player basically uses one cue and maybe one cue to break with, and some players even break with their playing cue. But you, you don't have, like, a bunch of different cues for a bunch of different shots usually.

Andrew Santino 2:24 Right. Well, there's... 'Cause the distances.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Well, just get used to the feel of one cue.

Andrew Santino 2:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:28 So when a player changes cues, like say if you go from a 18-ounce cue to a 21-ounce cue, there's a big difference in the way it hits the ball. It drives through the ball different. You have to make the cue do more of the work-

Andrew Santino 2:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:39 ... with a heavy, with a heavy cue.

Andrew Santino 2:40 Do you think it mentally changes the way you strike it?

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 2:44 See, that's-

Joe Rogan 2:44 It fucks, it fucks with people's heads. That's what's so impressive about golfers. They got all these different weights. Everything's different shaped-

Andrew Santino 2:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:49 ... and it's different.

Andrew Santino 2:50 There's a guy. I think his name is Bryson DeChambeau. I think that's the golfer. He use... All his clubs are cut to the same length-

Joe Rogan 2:56 Oh.

Andrew Santino 2:57 ... which is really rare. Nobody does that. Like, almost every club set you get is all different length clubs, and he is... This... People did it years and years ago, but he's, like, one of the only guys on tour that now cuts his clubs to the same length-

Joe Rogan 3:08 Oh.

Andrew Santino 3:08 ... 'cause he mentally wants to have the same exact stance over the ball no matter the shot.

Joe Rogan 3:13 Wow.

Andrew Santino 3:13 It's pretty smart. It's... I mean, it's a, it's a cool, interesting concept. A lot of golfers don't know how to, you know, adjust that much.

Joe Rogan 3:19 I don't know jack shit about golf, but there's guys with weird strokes in pool. There's guys with weird technique in boxing, and it still works, you know?

Andrew Santino 3:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 There's people that do shit different.

Andrew Santino 3:31 There's no wi-... I don't think there's any right way in sports. Uh, some of the ugliest shots in basketball tend to be some of the most fun-

Joe Rogan 3:37 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 3:37 ... to watch, and sometimes they're really good.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 3:40 Like, sometimes... The... Like, the classic Ray Allen basketball stroke is probably the most beautiful jump shot, you know, compared to him and Jordan, but there are guys that have terrible looking shots, but they're fucking phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Mm.

Andrew Santino 3:51 It's just, it's just consistency and, and their inner balance over, you know, the, the timing that they have and the release that they have. That's just... That's gotta be the same thing in every sport. Pool, same shit.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Oh, for sure. For sure in boxing too.

Andrew Santino 4:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:03 You know, in boxing, it used to be thought that you pretty much, you know... If you went to a, a good trainer, they would teach you to keep your hands up. That was always the way to box. But then you get to a level of, like, a Tommy Hearns. You remember To- the way Tommy Hearns used to fight? He used to keep his left hand low, really low.

Andrew Santino 4:20 Yeah, down to the side.

Joe Rogan 4:20 And his right hand cocked-

Andrew Santino 4:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:22 ... and he would snap that left hand at you like a fucking...

Andrew Santino 4:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 Like a cobra, man. Just crack. Motor City Cobra. He would just pop that fucker right in your face. That's why he's, they used to call him that.

Andrew Santino 4:32 'Cause it was coming out of fucking nowhere.

Joe Rogan 4:33 The Detroit hit man, Tommy Hearns. He was a bad motherfucker, dude. And then bang! He would hit you with that right hand. And he had so much torque 'cause he was really wide.

Andrew Santino 4:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 He was really long and wide for a welterweight, man. Like, look at him at 147 pounds. I think he was probably, like, 6'2" and just shredded.

Andrew Santino 4:49 Get jacked.

Joe Rogan 4:50 And just cracking people.

Andrew Santino 4:51 147 at 6'2" is like-

Joe Rogan 4:53 Oh, yeah. He was the welterweight champ. You ever see what he looked like when he fought Sugar Ray Leonard?

Andrew Santino 4:56 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Oh my God. Yeah, and then he went up to 160 and fought Hagler and got KO'd by Hagler in a crazy slugfest. You never saw that fight?

Andrew Santino 5:03 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 5:04 (gasps) Pull up Marvin Hagler versus Thomas Hearns. This might've been the great... I think it went two rounds, but it might've been the greatest two rounds in the history of the middleweight division, 'cause these two guys were super skilled. I mean, Marvin Hagler was a brilliant technical boxer, can switch from southpaw to orthodox, like, fluidly.

Andrew Santino 5:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Like, you, you didn't even notice the difference. He fought just as good from both sides, and he knocked everybody out, and he had an iron chin. And Tommy Hearns was merking motherfuckers. He murked Roberto Duran with one punch. Just blah-blah!

Andrew Santino 5:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:35 Faceplanted him.

Andrew Santino 5:35 One fucking hit?

Joe Rogan 5:36 One-punch man. He's... He stung him with one shot, and... Let me... Let them see that first. Here's the build-up. The build-up is Tommy Hearns KOs Roberto Duran.... let's watch that first, and then we're gonna go back to Marvin Hagler versus Tommy Ahern, so you get a feel for what it was like. This is the heyday.

Andrew Santino 5:54 To be able to switch up your stances is so crazy to me, to be able to do that so fluidly.

Joe Rogan 5:58 That, well, that's one of the b- brilliant things about Hagler. I mean, he was just so good at that. And he could bo- and it's weird for a guy. When you're used to... Like, for- remember the first time I fought a guy who was left-handed, it was super confusing. Everything's coming from the wrong place. Everything was, like, reversed. You gotta get used to it.

Andrew Santino 6:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:14 You don't see it as often, right? So if you don't see it as often, sometimes it's more effective. But some guys are really good against southpaw. Some guys have, like, a lightning right hand, and that was one of the speculations about Hagler and Hearns, 'cause Hearns had this lightning right hand, and Hagler oftentimes fought southpaw, and that's the counter for southpaw-

Andrew Santino 6:32 Ah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 ... is a, is a straight right. Now watch this, though. This is, this goes to show you how god- look how big he is. Bang!

Andrew Santino 6:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:38 Dude! Dude!

Andrew Santino 6:41 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Play that again. Look at this. Boom! Come on, man!

Andrew Santino 6:46 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 6:46 When Tommy Hearns merced people, he merced people. And you gotta understand, man, he did this to Roberto Duran.

Andrew Santino 6:53 That's fast in slow motion.

Joe Rogan 6:54 Dude-

Andrew Santino 6:55 That's how- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:55 ... he was so fast.

Andrew Santino 6:56 That looks fast even in fucking-

Joe Rogan 6:57 He-

Andrew Santino 6:57 ... slow motion.

Joe Rogan 6:58 ... he was so fast, and he hit so hard. But now you gotta watch this. This is Hagler in his prime. He was 30 years old, he was the undisputed motherfucking middleweight champ in the world, and most people thought he was the best pound-for-pound fighter on Earth. And Tommy Hearns, of course, you just saw what he did to Roberto Duran.

Andrew Santino 7:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:16 And there was a lot of speculation, lot of speculation coming into this fight, and they just went at it from the beginning of the round. There was very little feel-ups, just constant pressure by Hagler, right hooks, boom, boom. I mean, look at this, bro. They- they're going to war.

Andrew Santino 7:30 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:31 These are two of the best fucking middleweights ever, and they're standing in front of each other going to war.

Andrew Santino 7:38 And it doesn't feel like anybody's phased. It feels, like there's a, it feels like they're at the exact same energy level too.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Oh, dude. They-

Andrew Santino 7:42 Like both of them are the, have the same output. Look at those-

Joe Rogan 7:44 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 7:44 ... fucking hooks. (laughs) Jesus.

Joe Rogan 7:46 This is crazy fight, man.

Andrew Santino 7:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 And they were thr- throw- throwing full power shots from the moment the fight started.

Andrew Santino 7:52 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 7:53 And they're right in front of each other, man.

Andrew Santino 7:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:55 And for Hearns, this, this negates his gigantic reach advantage over almost everybody.

Andrew Santino 8:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:00 So Hearns decided to fight this way. He decided to-

Andrew Santino 8:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:04 ... stand right, and look at them. The referee could barely separate-

Andrew Santino 8:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:07 ... them. Hearns decided to stand right in front of Hagler, and Hagler decided to stand right in front of Hearns, and they just... And now Hearns is moving. See, now this is what Hearns could've done from the beginning and made it interesting.

Andrew Santino 8:17 Sticking and moving?

Joe Rogan 8:17 But, but by the time-

Andrew Santino 8:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 ... he decided to do that, he was already touched up, and Marvin starts moving in for the kill, that left hand to the body. And Hagler was relentless, and his cardio was fucking supreme. It was supreme. He always put pressure on people, and you couldn't hurt him. The only had one bullshit knockdown his entire career, it was a bullshit knockdown. He fought, I think it was Juan Roldan, and Juan Roldan kinda like, it was more like a shove, and maybe, maybe they tripped or something like that, and the referee called it a knockdown.

Andrew Santino 8:48 God.

Joe Rogan 8:48 But I remember thinking, "Goddammit." 'Cause Hagler had a weird thing that he was either born with or developed. He had giant muscles on the side of his head, like he was-

Andrew Santino 8:59 Like by his temples?

Joe Rogan 8:59 ... born with headgear.

Andrew Santino 9:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:02 I'm not bullshitting. They had him analyzed.

Andrew Santino 9:04 Kinda wear the helmet on.

Joe Rogan 9:05 This was like a big thing in the world of sports back in the day, like that he was literally almost born for this. That's how good Hagler was.

Andrew Santino 9:13 Yeah, these motherfuckers are really-

Joe Rogan 9:14 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 9:14 ... I mean, it's relentless, dude. They're, they're toed up every time.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yep.

Andrew Santino 9:16 It's like they're barely loo- looking for any distance between each other.

Joe Rogan 9:19 The- and you gotta realize, man-

Andrew Santino 9:20 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 9:20 ... this is not how people usually fight. They don't throw full power shots-

Andrew Santino 9:23 No.

Joe Rogan 9:23 ... with every shot.

Andrew Santino 9:24 I mean, they'd be tired within 15 seconds. These guys are just going at it.

Joe Rogan 9:27 So, I think this is, like, almost like a game of chicken. Like, both of them knew they were never gonna reach the 12th round.

Andrew Santino 9:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:33 So they said, "Fuck it. Let's just do this." And Hagler just stood right in front of him, constantly blasting him. And you see, at the end of the first round, Hearns is wilting. He just does not have the power or the speed or the movement. See? He's all goofy.

Andrew Santino 9:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 He's like-

Andrew Santino 9:47 Sloppy.

Joe Rogan 9:47 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 9:48 It's getting real sloppy.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Well, he's just exhausted.

Andrew Santino 9:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:49 He's exhausted. But still, the warrior in him is making him throw these fucking bombs, man. You gotta realize, like at the time, no one really knew what the fuck was gonna happen in this fight.

Andrew Santino 10:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:00 And then Hagler hurt him.

Andrew Santino 10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 See-

Andrew Santino 10:02 There was a little stumble.

Joe Rogan 10:03 And one of, one of Hagler's incredible attributes besides his skill was his determination to win, man. He was just-

Andrew Santino 10:10 Goddamn.

Joe Rogan 10:10 ... he was a ferocious competitor, man. Just ferocious. And so if someone was willing to engage him in this kinda crazy fight, we're gonna stand toe-to-toe and see who's the bigger man, oh my God, everyone's gonna die. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 10:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:24 Hagler's gonna take you, Hagler's gonna take you to the end of the Earth, man, to the end of the Earth.

Andrew Santino 10:28 I mean, and, and Hagler just looked like he just had s- still so much left in the tank, even at the end of the first round.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 10:34 Like, it was nothing.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Dude, he can do this for years. He's never out of shape, he never partied, he never did anything stupid. But he's a-

Andrew Santino 10:39 What, did, he didn't have any sh- did any M&M's?

Joe Rogan 10:41 ... always, never got fat.

Andrew Santino 10:42 No?

Joe Rogan 10:42 Never got fat. And then-

Andrew Santino 10:42 No drugs, no alcohol, no nothing?

Joe Rogan 10:44 ... n- and then, nope, and how about this? Retired after the Sugar Ray Leonard fight. Lost a controversial decision to Sugar Ray Leonard, that to this day I think he won, and then, but it was a close fight.

Andrew Santino 10:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 But, and then just retired and became a fucking movie star in Italy.

Andrew Santino 10:57 That's fucking wild.

Joe Rogan 10:58 Love that guy.

Andrew Santino 10:59 Yeah, but that's the way to do it, huh? Kinda go out at a good prime, and then just say goodnight.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Yeah, nobody else did it like him, man.

Andrew Santino 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Nobody else did it like him.

Andrew Santino 11:05 Oof.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Oh, that's when he hurt him.

Andrew Santino 11:07 Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Now he's just moving in for the kill.

Andrew Santino 11:09 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:09 Moving in for the kill. Now he's taking his time, look.

Andrew Santino 11:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:11 See now? It's just nice and relaxed. This is inevitable now. Marvin's just moving in, and deciding when he's gonna uncork, when he's gonna uncork. Moving in, blocking these shots. He knows that Hearns is hurt, and he starts teeing him up. Boom.

Andrew Santino 11:24 Goddamn.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Right hand.

Andrew Santino 11:27 Chin.

Joe Rogan 11:27 And Hearns is trying to move now. See, now that's how I thought Hearns was gonna fight, and mo- most people thought Hearns was gonna fight from the beginning, like that.

Andrew Santino 11:34 Just keep moving, moving, moving.

Joe Rogan 11:35 From the outside, from the outside.

Andrew Santino 11:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:36 Sting him from the outside like that. I mean, that's, that's classic Thomas Hearns. But the warrior in him wanted to find out.

Andrew Santino 11:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:43 You know?

Andrew Santino 11:44 He, uh...

Joe Rogan 11:44 He wanted to find out, who's the baddest motherfucker in town? Who is it?... you know?

Andrew Santino 11:49 You could f- you, you, and you can feel him backing up kinda. He, he knows what's kinda... It's almost like he knows what's coming. He, he's getting in some good shots, even though he's, you know, creating distance. But even still-

Joe Rogan 11:58 Well, I, yeah.

Andrew Santino 11:58 ... it just doesn't feel like he's balanced.

Joe Rogan 11:59 Me and Hagler are standing in front of him.

Andrew Santino 12:00 See that right there?

Joe Rogan 12:01 Boom.

Andrew Santino 12:01 Oh, ugh.

Joe Rogan 12:02 He's hurting him now. Hagler's standing right in front of him and he is touching him, but he's, he just doesn't have the pop anymore. You know what it's like when you're working out and at the end of the workout, you're fucking exhausted and you could barely do one rep.

Andrew Santino 12:13 Yep.

Joe Rogan 12:13 That's what happens with your arms when you're fighting. There's just-

Andrew Santino 12:16 They just, they just, there's nothing left in them.

Joe Rogan 12:17 There's nothing left. It's not like, you know, he's doing this on purpose.

Andrew Santino 12:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:22 He's, he doesn't have, there's no gas in his arms. Like his arms are completely flooded right now.

Andrew Santino 12:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:28 Like all the blood in them and everything, it's just, they're not recovering. It's a horrible feeling too. He's swinging though. Look, he's swinging, but it's way slower than it was in the first round.

Andrew Santino 12:37 Right, right. His snap was, his snap was so much quicker in the first round.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 12:40 Now he's, now he's not following through a little bit. He's kinda-

Joe Rogan 12:42 Yeah, exactly. He's trying to conserve energy.

Andrew Santino 12:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:44 He's try- he, he realizes he can't do this forever. He's exhausted.

Andrew Santino 12:47 God, they're, but they both look like they're fucking at that one, that little breaking point where it's about to be either-

Joe Rogan 12:52 Yes. I'm telling you, uh, Hagler, y- even though m- he might, might look like that because it is a fast pace-

Andrew Santino 12:57 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... he could do this for years.

Andrew Santino 12:58 Jesus. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:59 He could do this for years.

Andrew Santino 13:00 (laughs) God.

Joe Rogan 13:00 He just didn't get tired, man. And you couldn't hurt him. It was crazy. He fought a dude named John The Beast Mugabi. And John The Beast Mugabi was fucking terrifying people, man. He starched Terry Norris. He starched a bunch of dudes. He was a heavy puncher, heavy puncher. And Hagler stood right in front of him, and he got caught with one big uppercut and he didn't even budge. Uppercuts that were like murking people.

Andrew Santino 13:25 Didn't even-

Joe Rogan 13:25 He didn't budge.

Andrew Santino 13:25 He didn't even flinch.

Joe Rogan 13:27 So what round was it? Was it the third round?

Jamie Vernon 13:28 It's the beginning of the third, yes, Dan with the fight right here.

Joe Rogan 13:29 The third round.

Jamie Vernon 13:30 Right here.

Andrew Santino 13:30 Here's the third round right here.

Joe Rogan 13:31 So that, this just, uh, shows you how fucking tough Tommy Hearns was.

Andrew Santino 13:35 I mean, those two rounds were just fucking knock down, drag out.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Relentless.

Andrew Santino 13:38 Yeah, just nonstop.

Joe Rogan 13:39 But towards the end, you clearly see Hagler's coming on. I mean, he looks good. He looks good and he's pacing himself now. It's just, just w- moving forward, throwing shots. But yeah, Hearns is exhausted, man. It's fucking r- rough, man. There it is. Boom.

Andrew Santino 13:55 Boom.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Boom.

Andrew Santino 13:55 Boom.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Hearns is trying to keep him off.

Andrew Santino 13:57 Yeah, he's trying to keep him, right.

Joe Rogan 13:59 But he's having a hard time breathing though, man. I mean, he's exhausted. See that big deep breath.

Andrew Santino 14:04 (laughs) When you take that big sigh, it's almost like, "Nuh-uh, uh-uh."

Joe Rogan 14:09 Uh, somebody lost a mouthpiece, I think. (paper rustling)

Andrew Santino 14:12 Is that what it was? He called his time?

Joe Rogan 14:13 Yeah, I think that's what happened. I don't know, man. It's hard to tell. It's really blurry footage.

Andrew Santino 14:18 I was just gonna say, man, the 2- 240p was weird back then, huh? It looked normal to us back then.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Do-

Andrew Santino 14:23 Your eyes knew how to handle it, right?

Joe Rogan 14:24 Well, you were just excited that you could see the fight.

Andrew Santino 14:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:27 You know? But this was, it was, I wonder if this would've looked like it when it was on HBO.

Andrew Santino 14:31 Had to have been.

Jamie Vernon 14:31 Eh, it looked a little better on those TVs.

Joe Rogan 14:33 Did you, do you know HBO just canceled f- boxing? They don't have boxing anymore?

Andrew Santino 14:38 At all?

Joe Rogan 14:38 At all.

Andrew Santino 14:39 Just pay-per-view now?

Joe Rogan 14:40 They don't even do pay-per-view. They're out of the boxing business.

Andrew Santino 14:42 What?

Joe Rogan 14:43 Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

Andrew Santino 14:44 So they'll never edit how great it is.

Joe Rogan 14:46 There it is right there. You heard him get hit with that right hand.

Andrew Santino 14:47 Oh, oh, and he's moving.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Boom, right hand. Boom.

Andrew Santino 14:50 Oh, it's done.

Joe Rogan 14:50 That's it.

Andrew Santino 14:51 He knew it.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Damn.

Andrew Santino 14:53 Damn.

Joe Rogan 14:53 That's it. Third round.

Andrew Santino 14:55 Gone.

Joe Rogan 14:55 I always miss this. I always think it's the second round for some reason. I think we've actually gone over this before.

Andrew Santino 15:00 But third round.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah, man. But they don't have boxing anymore.

Andrew Santino 15:04 That's-

Joe Rogan 15:04 HBO s- got out of the boxing business.

Andrew Santino 15:06 What do you think that's because of? It's not earning enough money anymore?

Joe Rogan 15:09 I don't know. Uh, it makes me sad though. They had some of the greatest boxing telecasts of all time. And it, I mean, that was what you would do. You'd go, if a big fight was on, Bernard Hopkins was on, m- a lot of the times it was on HBO.

Andrew Santino 15:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:21 And if it was on pay-per-view, then you knew it was gonna be on HBO the following week.

Andrew Santino 15:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:25 So even if you couldn't afford the pay-per-view-

Andrew Santino 15:27 You could see it.

Joe Rogan 15:27 ... you could hang in there.

Andrew Santino 15:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:28 A week later, you knew who won, but you could watch the fight on HBO.

Andrew Santino 15:31 I remember going to watch, I remember watching fights on HBO. Yeah, I, I just remember that n- that HBO boxing being such like a emblematic thing for, you know what I mean? Like you, it's so recognizable.

Jamie Vernon 15:41 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 15:41 So like pay-per-view on HBO. So them getting out of the game is so strange. It's kinda like the revolution that's happening now, the last fight I went to with you at UFC, now they're ESPN p- what is it? Plus?

Joe Rogan 15:52 Plus.

Andrew Santino 15:52 ESPN+, that's what it is?

Joe Rogan 15:53 Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Santino 15:53 It's a private paid service.

Joe Rogan 15:55 It's a, uh, subscription service.

Andrew Santino 15:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Like a, like a Netflix for sports.

Andrew Santino 16:00 But it's, it's not just UFC fights. It's, it's a bunch of other stuff?

Joe Rogan 16:03 It's everything.

Andrew Santino 16:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:04 All kinds of shit. All kinds of sport-

Andrew Santino 16:05 Stuff that just won't show on ESPN at all though?

Joe Rogan 16:07 No, they sometimes show, (sighs) I mean, it's ESPN content, I guess. So you could watch some fights that were on E- ESPN+. Later, they'll probably show them on ESPN.

Andrew Santino 16:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Sort of like the same thing with HBO.

Andrew Santino 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:21 With pay-per-view.

Andrew Santino 16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:22 You know? But, um, I think what HBO did with pay-per-view is brilliant. Where you would have the pay-per-view, but then let people watch it for free a week later. You're just gonna make more fans.

Andrew Santino 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 It's like you're not gonna lose money on the pay-per-view.

Andrew Santino 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 You're just gonna make more fans.

Andrew Santino 16:34 Well, that, that's how, the, the whole idea of like, uh, that's why this, this, pfft, this is funny. I was gonna talk to you about this anyway. I just moved and I canceled my DirecTV. I'm done. I canceled them. I cut the wire and I'm just doing like, uh, Hulu live TV.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Internet?

Andrew Santino 16:47 Yeah. Internet shit.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Wow.

Andrew Santino 16:48 All the years of hearing people being like, "Cutting the cord, cutting the cord." I'm like, "I don't know, man. I like it." Now, fuck it. I l- I love, I love what I'm doing now, and I gotta tell you, I can get all the shit that I want for cheaper than I had it before. And it's just way more convenient now. I used to be so tethered to being like, "I'll never give up cable." Now I'm like, "Fuck it. I don't want it anymore." I don't, I don't want it. This has been the best version.

Joe Rogan 17:07 I remember when I was like, "I'll always have a Blockbuster card, always."

Andrew Santino 17:10 (laughs) Yeah, it'll never go away.

Joe Rogan 17:11 It'll never, it will never end.

Andrew Santino 17:12 Hollywood Video, dude. I wanna rent.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Imagine, imagine if you put all your money in that, you're like, "I'm telling you, in 20 years-"

Andrew Santino 17:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:18 "... this is gonna amount to $15 million."

Andrew Santino 17:21 (laughs) Right. Just wait.

Joe Rogan 17:22 (laughs) "I got, I got a fucking plan."

Andrew Santino 17:24 Do you think people invested in Netflix when it was the DVD subscription service, and that, you know what I mean? Like early on, and now they're still getting the, the revenue dividends of what Netflix is now? I wonder about that.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Oh, yeah. I'm sure you do.

Andrew Santino 17:35 Like that's gotta be the best money.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 17:36 'Cause it was worth nothing back then.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 17:38 It was just another subscription video service and they had a, there was a ton of them. I mean, Redbox.

Joe Rogan 17:44 I did my first, I did my first Netflix special in 2005.

Andrew Santino 17:47 Oh, my God. There's one left? Oh, I think I've seen this.

Jamie Vernon 17:50 It's in Alaska, I think.

Andrew Santino 17:51 Yeah. No, Oregon.

Joe Rogan 17:52 In Alaska.

Jamie Vernon 17:52 There you go. Yeah, it's in Oregon.

Andrew Santino 17:53 Oregon.

Jamie Vernon 17:53 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 17:53 Bend, Oregon.

Joe Rogan 17:54 That's so weird. The last Blockbuster, they went from 4,855 stores in 2008 to one store-

Andrew Santino 18:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 18:04 ... in 2018. That is the craziest-

Andrew Santino 18:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:07 ... demolition of a business-

Andrew Santino 18:08 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:08 ... I've ever heard.

Andrew Santino 18:10 I wonder what they are.

Joe Rogan 18:10 I've never heard of what other business, in our lifetimes, vanish like that?

Andrew Santino 18:14 Like, a- like, a commer- like, a storefront? I can't think of something that f- that went away that quickly.

Joe Rogan 18:18 But the whole industry-

Andrew Santino 18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:20 ... gone. It was gi- it was a part of our-

Andrew Santino 18:22 Huge.

Joe Rogan 18:22 ... weekend.

Andrew Santino 18:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:23 You go to Blockbuster-

Andrew Santino 18:24 Huge.

Joe Rogan 18:25 What do they got?

Andrew Santino 18:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Oh, you hear anything about this? You'd look at the cover. "Hmm, I don't know. I never even heard of this one."

Andrew Santino 18:30 I never saw it. Maybe it was good.

Joe Rogan 18:31 You wind up wa- watching, like, obscured Dolph Lundgren movies-

Andrew Santino 18:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:34 ... that were made in Italy. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 18:35 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 You're like, "What is this?"

Andrew Santino 18:37 You would. You'd get to pick out shit that you're like, "This looks kinda dope. We'll see."

Joe Rogan 18:41 Back then, like-

Andrew Santino 18:41 The gamble was fun.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... the, the name meant a lot.

Andrew Santino 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Like, it was like, "This guy from Dances with Wolves." "Oh, okay."

Andrew Santino 18:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 "I remember that guy."

Andrew Santino 18:49 That could be cool.

Joe Rogan 18:50 That k- You'll take a chance.

Andrew Santino 18:51 Yeah, you w- you will. But I think that's happening again now with Netflix. I'll take a chance with shit now that I've-

Joe Rogan 18:55 Yes.

Andrew Santino 18:55 ... shit I've never heard of, 'cause Netflix, you pop up all these different titles and you'll go, "Hmm, I'll try this fucking sh-" I just started a new show. I just tried a show and, uh, it's called Dead to Me with Christina Applegate. Christina Applegate? Yeah. Eh, it's okay. But, like, I'll tr- I'll try it.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Right.

Andrew Santino 19:11 I would've never think to, to, to, to watch this new show about these, you know, this, this-

Joe Rogan 19:16 Have you gone through all the staples at Netflix yet? Did you watch Ozarks yet?

Andrew Santino 19:20 Done. Watched both seasons.

Joe Rogan 19:21 God damn, that's good, huh?

Andrew Santino 19:22 Yeah, phenomenal. One of the best shows I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Did you watch Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?

Andrew Santino 19:26 I've seen a few episodes of it, but I-

Joe Rogan 19:28 It's fucking hilarious, dude.

Andrew Santino 19:29 Yeah. I- she- it's a f- I- people like it, but-

Joe Rogan 19:31 I love that show. It's so silly.

Andrew Santino 19:32 It's got the same kinda tone as 30 Rock, right?

Joe Rogan 19:36 It doesn't?

Andrew Santino 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Well, it's Tina Fey.

Andrew Santino 19:37 It's Tina again. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Tina Fey's in it too.

Andrew Santino 19:39 Oh, she is?

Joe Rogan 19:39 Yeah. Pl- sometimes. She plays this really-

Andrew Santino 19:42 She pops in?

Joe Rogan 19:42 ... wacky psychologist that's out of her fucking mind-

Andrew Santino 19:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:44 ... and likes to party. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 19:46 Yeah. She cr- they've even... She has some of the best character development, man.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Dude.

Andrew Santino 19:48 That's why 30 Rock was so good.

Joe Rogan 19:50 That show is funny, man. Kimmy Schmidt is funny.

Andrew Santino 19:52 All right. I'll w- I'll watch it. I'll try it.

Joe Rogan 19:53 It's really good. So-

Andrew Santino 19:54 I'll try it. It just, it just didn't seem like my show.

Joe Rogan 19:56 It's absurd.

Andrew Santino 19:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:57 You gotta give it a chance.

Andrew Santino 19:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:58 It becomes really... It's really good.

Andrew Santino 20:00 That's why-

Joe Rogan 20:01 There's- there was, like, a- some dull moments in one of those series, but they, they tighten it up quick. They... Whatever problem they had with the writing, they fixed it real quick.

Andrew Santino 20:09 Right. Well, I mean, first seasons-

Joe Rogan 20:10 Sometimes that happens.

Andrew Santino 20:10 ... are always hard, man.

Joe Rogan 20:11 But, I mean, just writing is hard.

Andrew Santino 20:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Writing for a sitcom, they-

Andrew Santino 20:15 So hard.

Joe Rogan 20:16 They hit ruts sometimes, you know?

Andrew Santino 20:18 Yeah, like, sometimes I'll watch old Seinfelds when they pop on, and some of the episodes are just fucking flawless. They're bangers. Like, ev-

Joe Rogan 20:24 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Santino 20:24 ... the B story is just as funny as the A story. And then sometimes you watch a few and you're like, "Uh, yeah, they were like... They had a tough week."

Joe Rogan 20:30 Dude.

Andrew Santino 20:31 "Like, you could tell they had a tough go."

Joe Rogan 20:32 I remember that feeling with news radio. I remember, like, episodes where it's just like, "Ooh, well, we did our best."

Andrew Santino 20:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:39 "You know, it's all there was with that one."

Andrew Santino 20:41 We'll see what happens.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Yeah. I mean, sometimes they just don't... And then you'll have the next one that's just insane. And a lot of times it's, it's like stand up in that sense, that a lot of times it's just, like, the subjects. Like, what are the subjects? Like, what, what juicy topic do you have?

Andrew Santino 20:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:55 You know, what, uh, what, what is happening in... Like, you just, you ha- you have to have something that engages people.

Andrew Santino 21:03 Well-

Joe Rogan 21:03 And sometimes with sitcoms, it's like, "Fuck, you have to put out 20-something episodes a year?"

Andrew Santino 21:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Oh...

Andrew Santino 21:08 22, 23.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Twent- so write 23 short stories in a year.

Andrew Santino 21:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:13 That's crazy.

Andrew Santino 21:14 And make them all tie in and have a nice little-

Joe Rogan 21:16 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 21:16 ... kind of a perfect through line for the whole season.

Joe Rogan 21:18 It's hard.

Andrew Santino 21:18 I know, but nowadays, a lot of people are relying on, on politics, which I think is... You know, it's becoming the new norm. Every time I see a billboard now, it's a new political show. It's like, uh, Wyatt Cenac just got one. Jordan Klepper, who was a Daily Show correspondent, he just got another one.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 21:33 Hasan Minhaj has his. I mean, there's, like, so many political shows now. Th- they should all be writing letters thanking Trump. It's like Trump is really fueling all these new shows. If it weren't for him-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 21:42 ... it was like... This new wave of political satire, I don't think I've hadver s- I've seen this in comedy in my career. I've never seen this many shows about politics. Samantha Bee. I mean, I just named five in a row.

Joe Rogan 21:54 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 21:56 John Oliver's show is... Right? That Last Week Tonight or whatever that's essentially a political based show.

Joe Rogan 22:02 It's, it's slightly political, but it's very social too.

Andrew Santino 22:05 Yeah, it is. It's pop- pop culture.

Joe Rogan 22:06 It's just pointing out what's fucked up-

Andrew Santino 22:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:07 ... in the week.

Andrew Santino 22:08 He's... I mean, listen, he's brilliant.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Yes.

Andrew Santino 22:09 And some of these shows are probably great. I just think there's so much political comedy right now-

Joe Rogan 22:13 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 22:13 ... it's just... It's not my shit.

Joe Rogan 22:14 No, Oliver's excellent.

Andrew Santino 22:15 Yeah. He's a genius.

Joe Rogan 22:16 I... It's... The whole thing is... Wh- what's, what's uncomfortable is that it's very, there are very little conversations taking place, and a lot of people that are, like, really angry.

Andrew Santino 22:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:27 You know?

Andrew Santino 22:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:27 I was watching this guy, some, some representative. I don't even know his name, but he was, uh, offering $100 to name the f- these girls that were in front of a, um...

Andrew Santino 22:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:39 ... Planned Parenthood. And, um, he's, like, a grown man and these... They're girls, they're young Christian girls.

Andrew Santino 22:47 What do you mean? Name them, as in, like, "Go call them out."

Joe Rogan 22:49 No, like give them names-

Andrew Santino 22:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... so he could shame them publicly.

Andrew Santino 22:52 Cool. Very smart.

Joe Rogan 22:53 And yeah, it's this guy's name. And, but he's offering on this video $100, like, but this is where people have gotten to, where they think that that's okay.

Andrew Santino 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 That, like, these people... You have t- Like, ju- I know you're there to support a woman's right to choose, but you have to understand that these people think that this is a place where they kill babies.

Andrew Santino 23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Right? This is what they think. Whether... Regardless of what you think-

Andrew Santino 23:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... this is why they're there. They're not there because they're evil.

Andrew Santino 23:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:20 And I know that this would put unwanted pressure on a girl who's going there for an abortion. I get it. I get the whole thing.

Andrew Santino 23:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:28 I get it from your side, and I see where they're coming from too. And although I fully support a woman's right to choose, you, you can't...... wanna dox people that think they're saving babies-

Andrew Santino 23:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:41 ... or talking someone into having a child that n-, and that child they think will become the kind of relationship with that child and that mother, become like their mother and them, or like the ideal version of them.

Andrew Santino 23:53 Sure. I mean, look-

Joe Rogan 23:53 That's what they're, they're not doing it because they're bad people.

Andrew Santino 23:56 Right. Like, there are some groups that do it just because they're pieces of shit, like the Westboro Baptist Church.

Joe Rogan 24:01 Sure.

Andrew Santino 24:01 Like, they do things because they're bad people. Like, all they wanna do is go protest a soldier's funeral.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Well, you know, I had a girl-

Andrew Santino 24:07 They, they wanna cause a stir.

Joe Rogan 24:08 ... Megan Phelps, who left them.

Andrew Santino 24:10 Right, that got out.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Yes.

Andrew Santino 24:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 And now, she, dude, she met a guy on Twitter.

Andrew Santino 24:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:15 It's a great story.

Andrew Santino 24:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:16 It's an amazing story.

Andrew Santino 24:17 She's human again.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Well, she started talking to people and then investigating and reali- and, dude, what I'm telling you, when you talk to her, she is like the nicest, most reasonable person.

Andrew Santino 24:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:27 And to think that just 15 years ago, whatever it was, 10 years ago, she was a full-on zealot.

Andrew Santino 24:32 Yeah, it's weird.

Joe Rogan 24:33 And her da- or her uncle, grandfather rather, can't even get it right. Her grandfather is th- Fred Phelps.

Andrew Santino 24:39 He started the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 24:40 He's the old dude.

Andrew Santino 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 That old mean guy.

Andrew Santino 24:42 But do you think-

Joe Rogan 24:42 The God hates fags guy.

Andrew Santino 24:43 ... so you bel- you completely, do you completely buy into the fact that she's-

Joe Rogan 24:46 A hundred percent.

Andrew Santino 24:47 ... cured of it? So none of that's in her blood anymore?

Joe Rogan 24:48 A hundred percent. She's so honest and-

Andrew Santino 24:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... open about what she felt and why she felt it and why she was conflicted and why it didn't jive with what she was reading in the Bible. It didn't make sense to her.

Andrew Santino 24:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:59 And it, and the way he was doing it, what she was realizing was not how Christians did it all over the world.

Andrew Santino 25:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:04 And that this, this, uh, you know, this desire to constantly get attention in the news, even at soldier's funerals.

Andrew Santino 25:12 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Th- they would go to soldier's funerals and say that these soldiers are dying because g- gay people are getting married.

Andrew Santino 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Like, why? (laughs)

Andrew Santino 25:19 They were saying they deserved to die, they deserved to be dead. I mean, that kind, uh, you know.

Joe Rogan 25:22 But I'm telling you from that-

Andrew Santino 25:23 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 25:23 ... she's like the nicest person you would ever wanna meet. The most open and warm.

Andrew Santino 25:26 So she's found some regulation in the, in her world?

Joe Rogan 25:28 She realizes it was bullshit.

Andrew Santino 25:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:29 And she was tricked and, you know, she's done a great job to free herself. But when you indoctrinate someone heavily into anything, and this is whether it's being a c- a religious zealot or being a political zealot, you indoctrinate someone when they're early in their, their, their youth.

Andrew Santino 25:48 Yeah, their formative years.

Joe Rogan 25:49 It's v- it's very difficult-

Andrew Santino 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... for them to get out of it. It takes real work.

Andrew Santino 25:52 But that's what I mean. Th- that's why I guess I'm saying it sticks with you, right? Like, my whole thing is there's things instilled in me from my youth, from where I grew up culturally and how I grew up, that even though I'm more learned now, I still do understand those ways of thinking, right?

Joe Rogan 26:07 Right.

Andrew Santino 26:07 So it is hard to break away from those things, even though, like when you just said, the whole like, w- a woman's right to choose, right? Like, I grew up in the Midwest, I grew up Catholic. This is how I am. Most of my family is for so, in so many words, against abortion.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 26:22 Uh, but I don't think these things are mutually exclusive, that you can be against abortion and against women's right to choose. You can say that you don't like abortion, but also say, "I'm not gonna control what you do with your body." It's kinda how I feel. I don't love the idea of abortion. I'm being honest. I j- I just don't love it. But I do think I'm not gonna stand here and tell people what to do. But I should be able to still say, "I don't like it. I don't think it's, I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. I don't really enjoy, I don't enjoy like the spreading of it being kinda this not a big deal thing." But I do think people can do whatever they fucking wanna do. But I'm also allowed to go, "Ugh, I don't, I don't, I don't love the idea. Like, I don't like it," uh, just-

Joe Rogan 27:04 As an option.

Andrew Santino 27:05 I just don't love it. I don't love it.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Birth control is obviously the best method, right?

Andrew Santino 27:09 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 27:10 But women, when they-

Andrew Santino 27:10 And I think women should be more aware.

Joe Rogan 27:11 But women, when they take birth control, man, they have to... I'm not s- uh, not advocating for abortion as a method of birth control.

Andrew Santino 27:18 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 27:18 But what I'm saying is when women take birth control pills, that shit fucks with them.

Andrew Santino 27:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:22 It fucks with their hormones.

Andrew Santino 27:23 It's not a good thing.

Joe Rogan 27:24 It's not good.

Andrew Santino 27:24 And that I know.

Joe Rogan 27:25 And, and when they do it and they also smoke, it can cause like real complications.

Andrew Santino 27:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:30 It can, uh, there's a lot, uh, it means there's a lot of women have really bad reactions to the pill.

Andrew Santino 27:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Changes your behavior.

Andrew Santino 27:36 Suicidal tendencies. I, I've heard a lot of like really bad stories. Now, I- I'm also saying if we wanna look at it from a different perspective, men should also take way more fucking responsibility then. Like, this is the other side is this, this argument tends to land on women a lot where it's like-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Right.

Andrew Santino 27:50 ... "You don't tell me how to fucking ... You don't tell a woman what to do with her body." It's like, "Okay, that's fine. I'm just saying how I don't like it." Also, I don't like guys nutting in women and fucking ghosting and not wanting to raise a child, right? So I think the other side of it is two parties here should be responsible. Men should take some fucking responsibility over stop cumming inside of these fucking people-

Joe Rogan 28:09 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 28:09 ... if you're not ready to have kids (laughs) . I'm just-

Joe Rogan 28:11 Ugh.

Andrew Santino 28:11 ... being real. It's like either wear a condom-

Joe Rogan 28:13 Of course.

Andrew Santino 28:13 ... or stop, stop, uh, stop doing the thing that you know makes children.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Yes.

Andrew Santino 28:17 So, uh, you know, but again, this is this weird balance of, like I say, I come from this p- s- n- not, not conservative, but like this really Catholic upbringing in the Midwest. You know, good old Irish Catholic boy, and the ideas that you hear as a kid all the time, you then grow and I now go, "I think people should be able to do whatever they wanna do. I'm not gonna fucking control somebody."

Joe Rogan 28:39 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 28:39 But I still have those little moments of, "Yeah, I just don't love it, though," 'cause it was something that was instilled in me as a youth.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 28:45 You know? I mean, it's the same way for years I felt guilty smoking pot, 'cause that was like ... I've been smoking pot for t- 20 years, but I felt guilty for a long time 'cause my pa- 'cause drugs were so bad.

Joe Rogan 28:57 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 28:58 It was just like s- this overwhelm- And even today, sometimes I get high and I go, "Should I be getting high today? Do I have shit to do? Do I, am I, am I doing something wr- No. No, I'm a grownup. I have all my shit together." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:10 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 29:11 I'm allowed to get high.

Joe Rogan 29:12 That's ni- You're one of the few comedian friends that I know that has their shit together. You're a grownup.

Andrew Santino 29:16 Trying to just stay, stay having my shit together.

Joe Rogan 29:18 Yeah. You-

Andrew Santino 29:19 It's a, it's-

Joe Rogan 29:19 You take care of your shit.

Andrew Santino 29:20 It's a hard task, though, right?

Joe Rogan 29:22 It's not easy, especially for immature dipshits like us.

Andrew Santino 29:25 Yeah, it's impo- Uh, we're, we're not suppo- This isn't supposed to hap- Nikki Glaser had a funny ... She was on stage doing a bit, and she just had said this phrase and I kept talking to her about it afterwards. She was like, "We don't deserve this money." And I was like, "What do you mean we don't fucking, we deser-" And she's like, "We just don't deserve this much money for being so immature."I was like, "I guess that's kinda true." (laughs) Like, we get to be clowny kids and still make a good living. Meanwhile, a guy... There was a guy, there was an electrician at my house the other day. The shit he was telling me, I couldn't fucking keep... I mean, he was sounding... He was speaking, fucking, another language and I had no... I was... He's like, "Oh, you have to have another ground wire because the neutrals are different now. This is a two-wire system back in 1946, you gotta have a three-wire." He started going on and on and on and on. I was like, "You deserve more money."

Joe Rogan 30:06 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 30:07 (laughs) Like, "You're worth more money. I don't know why I have more money than you do. You do much more important shit."

Joe Rogan 30:13 It's all about with... I guess with money, right, it's all about reach. You know, we were talking about-

Andrew Santino 30:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:18 ... earlier today about how much money Facebook and Google and all these people make from ads.

Andrew Santino 30:24 Yup.

Joe Rogan 30:24 And how weird it is that, like, you look for something then instantly those ads start popping up. Uh-

Andrew Santino 30:29 Constantly.

Joe Rogan 30:30 I, I'm referencing Sam Harris's podcast again. I don't remember which one it was. It was fairly recently. He had a, a guest on and they talked about the, uh, the, the commodity of your data, right? The commodity of your searches.

Andrew Santino 30:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Like what... And, and who's selling that and how they're, how they're profiting off of that. And that this was like this commodity that nobody thought they were giving up. They... Nobody thought there was anything to it.

Andrew Santino 30:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:54 And then these companies have found this loophole and have made billions of dollars through it.

Andrew Santino 30:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:59 By giving you free email-

Andrew Santino 31:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:01 ... by giving you a free web browser.

Andrew Santino 31:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:04 By giving you free searches. Basically providing you with all the information in the world.

Andrew Santino 31:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:09 What they want from you is wanna know what you're interested in. That's all. No big deal.

Andrew Santino 31:13 It's kinda like, uh, the real world example would be, uh, those trash companies that are like, "Do you have a garage full of shit? We'll come pick it up for free," right?

Joe Rogan 31:21 Hmm. Right.

Andrew Santino 31:21 You don't know what's in that fucking garage.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Right.

Andrew Santino 31:23 Some people are so old they just throw shit out and they go, "Ah, just get rid of it. Fuck it." You know?

Joe Rogan 31:28 You know those Storage Wars shows?

Andrew Santino 31:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:29 I guess some of them, they're fake.

Andrew Santino 31:31 Yeah, they do. They set them up.

Joe Rogan 31:32 They load up the, the storage room-

Andrew Santino 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 ... and they go-

Andrew Santino 31:34 So they-

Joe Rogan 31:34 "I can't believe we found a World War II helmet."

Andrew Santino 31:37 "It's Elvis' underwear."

Joe Rogan 31:39 "This is unbelievable."

Andrew Santino 31:40 Yeah, they used to be real. Actually, a few of them were very real.

Joe Rogan 31:42 They were very real.

Andrew Santino 31:42 And then they, and then they got caught online. A bunch of people online were calling them out being like, "This is bullshit. This is fake. I saw them setting it up." Like, they got, they got caught. But that's-

Joe Rogan 31:51 If they're gonna do that, they should find magic in there and shit.

Andrew Santino 31:54 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:55 They should find... (laughs) You know? You should have like-

Andrew Santino 31:58 (laughs) Shit.

Joe Rogan 31:58 ... Storage Wars where they, they go in there and they find a leprechaun.

Andrew Santino 32:02 Yeah. Whoa.

Joe Rogan 32:02 The lepre- um, makes one of them disappear.

Andrew Santino 32:05 A eunuch. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:05 One person disappears and they have a genie in a lamp. And...

Andrew Santino 32:08 That'd be worth it.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Treat me like I'm really stupid, okay?

Andrew Santino 32:11 Have you ever watched the show Ghost Hunters? Do you know who... Or Ghost Adventures?

Joe Rogan 32:14 Oh, my God, yes.

Andrew Santino 32:14 Do you know this guy?

Joe Rogan 32:15 Which guy?

Andrew Santino 32:15 Dude.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Zack Baggins?

Andrew Santino 32:17 Zack Baggins. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 32:18 Do you know this guy?

Joe Rogan 32:19 I do not know him personally.

Andrew Santino 32:20 Oh, man. He makes me laugh so fucking hard because they've done like nine seasons now. I don't even know how many of them they've done.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Have they found any ghosts?

Andrew Santino 32:27 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 32:28 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 32:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:29 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 32:29 They have all this great technology now that's improved.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Do you think that he believes in ghosts?

Andrew Santino 32:34 Here's the best part.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Okay.

Andrew Santino 32:35 He's all in, right?

Joe Rogan 32:37 All in.

Andrew Santino 32:37 Which I love anybody that's all in, whatever they're doing.

Joe Rogan 32:39 You kinda have to be if you're the host of-

Andrew Santino 32:40 Okay, he's all in.

Joe Rogan 32:41 ... Ghost Adventures.

Andrew Santino 32:41 But also now, he's super self-aware-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Ooh.

Andrew Santino 32:44 ... that, of their popularity and of his characte- caricature of himself.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Oh.

Andrew Santino 32:48 So he does it now on purpose. He took off his shirt one episode.

Joe Rogan 32:51 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 32:52 And he goes, "You wanna fucking fight me, ghost? Let's fucking go, dude. Toe up. Throw a fucking punch." You're like... (laughs) He's aware of his character that is this bro-y ghost fist fighter. This dude-

Joe Rogan 33:05 Is Brendan Schaub on that?

Andrew Santino 33:06 Yeah, Schaub. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:07 Schaub's on an episode? Look at him.

Andrew Santino 33:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:11 (laughs) He looks like he just got back-

Andrew Santino 33:12 A long time ago.

Joe Rogan 33:12 ... from a Shane Carwin sparring session.

Andrew Santino 33:14 Yeah, he's still in the fight. He's still out of it. So this-

Joe Rogan 33:17 Is Zack, is that Zack with the beard? No, that's Zack-

Andrew Santino 33:19 No, Zack is that dude right there.

Joe Rogan 33:20 ... that guy. Right.

Andrew Santino 33:20 So Zack wears, um, Ed Hardy type of shirts, right? He wears these loud (laughs) ridiculously patterned shirts.

Joe Rogan 33:28 Right.

Andrew Santino 33:28 But he's... You gotta see it. Do a more newer episode. Do something from like 2009 to 2018. You'll see what he looks like now. He's gotten way more fucking jacked.

Joe Rogan 33:36 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 33:36 His, his hair, his hair is all flaked up, you know. He's got like more tanner on and shit.

Joe Rogan 33:41 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 33:43 He's become-

Joe Rogan 33:44 Do you think he believes-

Andrew Santino 33:45 He's become super self-aware.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Do you think that he believes in ghosts?

Andrew Santino 33:47 No, I think he's just self-aware of the product he's created.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Really?

Andrew Santino 33:50 That he understands now-

Joe Rogan 33:52 That's a challenge. I see the next Whiskey Ginger podcast. You-

Andrew Santino 33:55 (laughs) Me and Zack Baggins.

Joe Rogan 33:57 ... sitting down with Zack, Zack Baggins.

Andrew Santino 33:57 That's him right there, right? Like, now he's like Holly- he looks like a Hollywood guy. Like (laughs) he's got these big black-framed glasses.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Isn't that funny, like you can't, he can't look any better? You know, you're not allowing him to have better style? You're like, "Go in Hollywood."

Andrew Santino 34:08 (laughs) I can't. I can't.

Joe Rogan 34:08 "This guy. You're so Chicago. This fucking guy went Hollywood."

Andrew Santino 34:11 Look at this fucking Hollywood fuck.

Joe Rogan 34:12 "Look at him with his spiky hair. He went Hollywood. The fuck?"

Andrew Santino 34:15 I'll tell you, that's the one thing I know I won't do is, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:18 Go Hollywood?

Andrew Santino 34:19 I'll, I'll never get to a place when I'll be wearing clothes where I used to make fun of them like that. Like, I remember going, "This guy's wearing a fucking $900 T-shirt." I know now I can't do that. Like, I, I can't, I can't get... I can't do that now because I used to shit on it so much.

Joe Rogan 34:37 Yeah, you have to mind by the rules of your own mind game.

Andrew Santino 34:39 Well, if I f- if I pushed it out there for so long.

Joe Rogan 34:42 What's that? He's got a nice hat.

Andrew Santino 34:43 That's him. Yeah, it looks good, right?

Joe Rogan 34:44 You don't like his hat, Jamie?

Andrew Santino 34:45 Is that your buddy?

Joe Rogan 34:45 What are you trying to say?

Jamie Vernon 34:46 It's the most recent photo I could find.

Joe Rogan 34:48 Oh, okay.

Andrew Santino 34:48 Jamie, that's... Do a zoom in real quick.

Joe Rogan 34:49 I thought you were trying to say something.

Andrew Santino 34:51 Is it-

Joe Rogan 34:51 Handsome fella.

Andrew Santino 34:52 Cute guy. Jamie, I want you to grow your facial hair just like that.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Do you, do you really think-

Andrew Santino 34:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:56 Do you really think he doesn't believe in ghosts?

Andrew Santino 34:58 I think he does not believe in ghosts. I think he, I think he loves the paranormal, right? He loves the idea of the paranormal.

Joe Rogan 35:04 What does that mean?

Andrew Santino 35:05 I think he loves the idea of forces at nature happening, uh, molecules, energies around us all influencing the way we act. Sure.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 35:13 I, I don't think he believes in actual apparitions or sp- what do they... They call them s- uh, uh, spirits on his EVP. We felt a spirit. They'll do this thing where they'll see a little orb or a light. This happens all the time with cameras when you switch to night vision and not... These little flecks of dust kinda reflect light off the lenses and he'll go, "It's an orb." And they'll, you know, watch it float through the lens, and he's o- he is obsessed about these orbs. "They enter the orb." And he does this voice-over shit. You gotta watch the fucking show. I get high and I watch it. It's maybe one of my favorite things.

Joe Rogan 35:43 What, what's the... Jamie, you're a photographer. What's the, um, scientific explanation for those little balls that show up in photographs? What is it?

Jamie Vernon 35:51 Um-

35:52 ... I don't have the knowledge for that, but I, it, it could be explained in lots of different ways. It's mostly, uh, probably, like, a light flare of some kind. Just pro- 'cause there's, just, like, in this lens-

Andrew Santino 36:02 Or ghosts.

Jamie Vernon 36:03 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 36:03 Well-

Joe Rogan 36:03 Now I'm a believer. You stammered through that so badly-

Jamie Vernon 36:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:06 ... I've become a believer.

Andrew Santino 36:07 Dude, you did a terrible fucking job selling that.

Jamie Vernon 36:09 I don't know the photography science but, like, in this lens here, there's, like, five different pieces of glass. So there's just, uh, whatever angle you're holding it, depending on where the light source is coming from-

Joe Rogan 36:16 Right.

Jamie Vernon 36:17 ... it might create an artifact, which would be a little circle.

Joe Rogan 36:20 Right. Yeah, so if you-

Jamie Vernon 36:21 There you go.

Joe Rogan 36:21 ... if you're dealing with a really nice, uh, camera like that one.

Jamie Vernon 36:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:25 But what about, like, with one of them bullshit (zipping) one of those zip-and-shoot ones?

Jamie Vernon 36:30 (laughs) Yeah.

Andrew Santino 36:30 Then they're using less, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:31 That make that noise.

Jamie Vernon 36:32 That's, like, less, uh, there's... Why there would be some on that is probably because it's less, it's less good. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:40 Less good.

Jamie Vernon 36:40 ... has less... Uh, not the right word, but, uh, l- less technology in there? I don't know. I don't, I can't explain it, honestly.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Well, buttons-

Jamie Vernon 36:46 I'm trying to, but I can't. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:47 Let's, we should Google it because orb lovers right now are freaking out, "My God, they are angels."

Jamie Vernon 36:52 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 36:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:52 "They're in front of you and you refuse to see their gift."

Andrew Santino 36:56 Any time an orb passes near a human, he'll go, "Watch Joe's reaction as the orb goes behind his head." Yeah, and you change your eyes.

Joe Rogan 37:04 I feel it. I felt it.

Andrew Santino 37:04 Yeah, your eyes will change.

Joe Rogan 37:05 It was amazing.

Andrew Santino 37:06 You don't believe in fucking ghosts, do you?

Joe Rogan 37:08 Bro, I believe in everything.

Andrew Santino 37:09 You don't believe in ghosts?

Joe Rogan 37:09 I'm all in with everything now.

Andrew Santino 37:10 Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Big Foot.

Jamie Vernon 37:12 Backscatter.

Andrew Santino 37:12 (laughs) Shut the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 37:13 (Laughs) What's that?

Jamie Vernon 37:14 There you go.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Okay.

Andrew Santino 37:14 Backscatter.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Backscatter. The artifact can result from the backscatter or retroreflection of light from airborne solid particles, such as dust or par- pollen-

Andrew Santino 37:24 That's what I said.

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... or liquid droplets, especially rain or mist. It can also be caused by foreign material within the camera's lens, so these dots are blurred images of dust particles. M. Night Shamalama Dingdong should make a movie-

Andrew Santino 37:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:38 ... uh, in, in that movie.

Andrew Santino 37:40 About, uh... And it should be called Backscatter.

Joe Rogan 37:41 I, I should not call him that anymore. That's really rude.

Andrew Santino 37:44 Is it, though? It's kinda funny.

Joe Rogan 37:45 M. Night... It's, it's Shyamalan. That's his fucking name, bro.

Andrew Santino 37:48 Shyamalama...

Joe Rogan 37:49 I'm, I'm turn-

Andrew Santino 37:49 Bannon. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:50 I'll turn on you. Turn on you.

Andrew Santino 37:51 (laughs) Yeah, you started it. You fucking put it on me.

Joe Rogan 37:53 Yeah. Okay. Bro, what are you, racist?

Andrew Santino 37:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:54 What's wrong with you, man? He makes some good goddamn movies. The guy... He takes some crazy risks, but, uh, I love The Sixth Sense. That was a great fuckin'-

Andrew Santino 38:01 Come on, every-... I love The Village. People didn't like that. I-

Joe Rogan 38:03 I didn't see, uh, I, I, I thought The Village, the end of it, I was like, "Where... What about planes?" Like, what-

Andrew Santino 38:08 They, they, they don't sh-

Joe Rogan 38:10 Come on. Get the fuck outta here.

Andrew Santino 38:10 ... they don't show any planes going over?

Joe Rogan 38:11 You know how big it would have to be-

Andrew Santino 38:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:12 ... to avoid all the planes?

Andrew Santino 38:14 Well, they'd have to be in a super remote place.

Joe Rogan 38:16 And never see plane? How fuckin' remote?

Andrew Santino 38:16 Think about it. There's gotta be places where no planes fly.

Joe Rogan 38:18 But they're not remote 'cause they made it out to the road. And then, instantly, they got to the road and people are like, "Hey, get in the car." Like, "What? A car?"

Andrew Santino 38:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 "What is this?"

Andrew Santino 38:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:25 "I live in the 1800s."

Andrew Santino 38:26 (laughs) They're like, "St. Louis is, like, right there."

Joe Rogan 38:28 Yeah. You know what I liked, though? It was Ghost. No, Devil. The one who was in the elevator.

Andrew Santino 38:31 Yeah. De-... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Devil.

Joe Rogan 38:32 That was a good one.

Andrew Santino 38:33 Yeah, it was good.

Joe Rogan 38:34 That was good.

Andrew Santino 38:34 It was good.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Well, he takes chances.

Andrew Santino 38:36 He takes a shot.

Joe Rogan 38:37 That's what I like.

Andrew Santino 38:37 Hey, wait, that's, this re-... This reminds me of, you tell, when you talk about that island, that private island, you know-

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yes.

Andrew Santino 38:43 ... Sentinel I- Sen- Sentinel Island?

Joe Rogan 38:44 North Sentinel Island.

Andrew Santino 38:44 North Sentinel Island?

Joe Rogan 38:45 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 38:46 Planes still fly over that or no? Are they not allowed to fly over that-

Joe Rogan 38:49 Well-

Andrew Santino 38:49 ... as a restricted airspace?

Joe Rogan 38:50 I don't think it's restricted. No. But you can't land there and you can't circle.

Andrew Santino 38:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:57 You can't visit.

Andrew Santino 38:58 India owns it, right? Doesn't the c-... Doesn't India control it?

Joe Rogan 39:00 I believe so.

Andrew Santino 39:01 Yeah. And it's, like, 10-mile radius.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 39:03 I saw a thing online that said a boat crashed there and you could still see on Google Images the remnants of the boat.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Yeah, they came for the people in the boat, too, and the helicopters got them off the boat right as the people were, like, pulling up in-

Andrew Santino 39:13 Oh, so they lived?

Joe Rogan 39:13 ... rafts and shit. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 39:15 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Yeah. They, they lived, but those, the villagers were coming for them.

Andrew Santino 39:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 39:19 Can you imagine stumbling across a village?

Joe Rogan 39:21 They've been, they've been fucked with sometime in the past, you know, that, uh, Commander Maurice Vidal Portman, that guy.

Andrew Santino 39:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Shout out to, uh, Respectable Law on, uh, Twitter. He has a, uh, a giant thread about it. It may be pinned on the top of his Twitter page, but explaining, uh, like, one of the reasons why those people are so hostile.

Andrew Santino 39:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:45 And it has to do with this British explorer who was really kinky and, uh-

Andrew Santino 39:50 (laughs) He went there to fuck?

Joe Rogan 39:51 Yeah. Who knows what he did?

Andrew Santino 39:52 He wanted to fuck the island? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Who knows what he did, but people got sick because of him. You know, this, I had this guy, Graham Hancock, on-

Andrew Santino 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 ... and he was talking a bit about, um, uh, all the different shit that they're finding in the Amazon and in South America, and that there used to be 20 million people that lived in the Amazon, and they died off because of sickness. They were visited mostly... Like, like, apparently, Europeans, when they came in, like, the 1500s, they would tell these incredible stories about these huge civilizations in the Amazon. But then, when explorers came back 200 years later, there was nothing there.

Andrew Santino 40:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 40:24 And they were like, "This is crazy. They s- they, they lied. They must've lied." But it turns out they didn't lie. What happened was smallpox ran through the fucking jungle-

Andrew Santino 40:32 (laughs) White people.

Joe Rogan 40:33 ... and killed everybody.

Andrew Santino 40:34 We did it.

Joe Rogan 40:35 And then, these, the jungle just overtook these cities. And now, they're finding these cities with something called LiDAR. They use these planes and they circle over this area, or helicopters, whatever the fuck they do, and they shoot this shit down, this LiDAR. It's like laser radar, and it gives you a detailed image of what's below the surface and what's there.

Andrew Santino 40:55 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 40:55 And it shows them all these crazy structures, all these, like, uh, like, roadways and irrigation systems and circles inside of a square. Like, it was villages and cities, and millions of people probably lived there.

Andrew Santino 41:08 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Look at it. That's all the stuff they're finding now.

Andrew Santino 41:10 What?

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah. And all of it was swallowed up by the jungle. They think, within, like, 100 years, it just vanished in the jungle.

Andrew Santino 41:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 41:17 'Cause it's so, so lush and tropical down there. Dude, it was the m- one of the most amazing podcasts I've ever done, to listen in that guy tell this story.

Andrew Santino 41:27 Right after this one, though.

Joe Rogan 41:28 No, you are the best.

Andrew Santino 41:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:30 You're the best. He's, uh, he-

Andrew Santino 41:31 This is kinda like, well, this is like a-

Joe Rogan 41:33 He's different.

Andrew Santino 41:33 ... this is like the findings of Atlantis, right? Like, when they started finding, you started finding more and more-

Joe Rogan 41:37 There's some-

Andrew Santino 41:37 ... land underground.

Joe Rogan 41:37 You seen this? They found traces of five drugs, including dimethyltryptamine, on a thousand-year-old South American ritual case.

Andrew Santino 41:44 DMT, baby.

Joe Rogan 41:45 So that's, like, proof, positive, um, uh, evidence that at least 1,000 years ago, they were using ayahuasca.

Andrew Santino 41:56 ... this, this was the drug pouch-

Jamie Vernon 41:58 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 41:58 ... that was made from fox snouts.

Jamie Vernon 41:59 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 41:59 That sounds so crazy. But like-

Jamie Vernon 42:01 Fox nose.

Andrew Santino 42:01 ... it literally look- when you see it, it looks like a nose of a fox. (coughs)

Jamie Vernon 42:04 Whoa. They used everything. And the fur is still intact.

Andrew Santino 42:07 That is crazy.

Jamie Vernon 42:07 It looks really nice. The nose. I wonder why they do that with a fox? It's probably, like, some cleverness. Some- Do you know that that's what a shaman, that's like literally what a shaman is supposed to, that's what the, the, the definition is supposed to be in certain cultures? Huh. Cer- certain cultures, it's a clever fellow. That's who the sh- the shaman is. Okay. It kinda makes sense. They are just clever fellows. But I mean, imagine that. Like, he takes a fox, "That clever little fucker. I'm gonna take his face-" (laughs) I want his fucking face. "... and hide my drugs in his face." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 42:35 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 42:35 Only a person would think to do something so creepy-

Andrew Santino 42:38 To hide my drugs in this thing's nose.

Jamie Vernon 42:39 ... or an insect.

Andrew Santino 42:40 Chipmunk cheeks.

Jamie Vernon 42:41 Yeah. Right? That would be the good move.

Andrew Santino 42:43 (laughs) Big, big pouch.

Jamie Vernon 42:43 Yeah. The pa- little pouch- Those are good pouches. ... that hangs from your belt. It's just chipmunk cheeks with all your coins in it. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 42:50 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 42:50 Uh... The dum- what about the dumbest animal you could have stuff in? What would be the worst animal to put stuff in? Skunks. Yeah. Skunks are the fucking wor-

Andrew Santino 42:55 Raccoons.

Jamie Vernon 42:56 They're- Oh, raccoons are actually kinda smart. S- you know, do you know skunks are predators? Those little creeps. They are? Yeah. Yeah, bro. They were coming for my chickens. Oh, yeah. They try to eat your chickens. They wanna kill your chickens. They skunk up, they, so they spray them and shit? No. They're just there to kill. They, they, they only spray things when things come near them. When they're ab- and- or when they're about to die, right? That's like the- Right. Yeah. ... when they think they're gonna die, they just admit that? Yeah. It's like so many animals are able to do that. We're like one of the only species that don't know how to fake death to, to avoid actually dying. Right? A lot of species will hide or change colors or shapes- Mm-hmm. ... or omit something to give the other species the, the, the, the thought that they are dead or deceased or that they've, you know, they're gone. Yeah. We don't do, we don't, we are the only ones who don't know. If you're running away from a fight, you can't just pretend to be dead and then they'll stop fucking you up. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 43:41 Jesus.

Jamie Vernon 43:41 They're still gonna fuck you up. Yeah. Well, human beings are, well, I think humans and chimps too, they, they want retribution. Yeah. They want revenge. We love vengeance, man. Yeah. That's like our favorite thing in the world. Yep. A guy almost fucking hit me four times today. I wish I got his license plate to call him out on here. Pfft, cunt. And he was cutting me off and he kept trying to hi- like hit my car after I w- Why? He cut me off in a big, like, F-350 truck and then I gave him one of these fucking honk. Like, dude. I mean, just miss my car. You know? Then I move on. Well, he pulls over next to me, gives me the finger, and then tries to, like, pull in my fucking lane like as if he's gonna hit my car. Dude.

Andrew Santino 44:14 Out of his m- I was like... This guy (laughs) . He just knows-

Jamie Vernon 44:17 It's-

Andrew Santino 44:17 He just knows his car hits my car, his car has barely any damage on it. He knows a big F-350 tru- his tire is the size of my fucking car.

Jamie Vernon 44:25 What a dick. He was a dick. But he wanted shit. So it's like now, vindictively, I hope I see him again. (laughs) Like now I just wanna fucking see him again somewhere in th- (laughs) in the city just to, just this guy, I wanna have that moment with him again, see him outside of his fucking big truck. That's funny.

Andrew Santino 44:40 Yeah. We love, we like... I, I, I don't hold grudges. Like, Bobby Lee and I were talking about it. Bobby holds the biggest grudges on earth. He has some of the worst. I mean, he has like 20-year grudges.

Jamie Vernon 44:49 Really?

Andrew Santino 44:49 Oh my God. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 44:50 Bobby Lee?

Andrew Santino 44:51 Bobby Lee. Ask him about it. He genuinely... When someone does the wrong thing to him, like, I'm not talking, like, makes a bad mista- when someone f- does something where you're like, "That's fucked up. That can fuck up a friendship," he will hold that against you for the rest of time. That's it. That's it. Where some people would go, "Whatever, man. I forgive you. Shit happens."

Jamie Vernon 45:10 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 45:11 Nah. He's f- he holds a fucking grudge, dude. Bad. (laughs) That little tiny ball, rice ball has a lot of fucking vengeance inside of him, dude.

Jamie Vernon 45:19 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 45:20 He's my little dumpling.

Jamie Vernon 45:21 How dare you?

Andrew Santino 45:22 No, I'm, I'm allowed to say that, man. I'm allowed to say that because I, uh, because I used to own Bobby. I used to bu- I bought him for a month.

Jamie Vernon 45:29 How much did it cost?

Andrew Santino 45:30 65 grand.

Jamie Vernon 45:32 That's a lot.

Andrew Santino 45:33 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 45:33 Could you do anything? I mean, would you have to feed him?

Andrew Santino 45:36 He doesn't really require that much food.

Jamie Vernon 45:38 Then when does he get to own you? That's part of the deal, right? He owns you for a month now? Ten years later. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 45:41 Ten years later, he owns you for a whole month. He holds me for a month. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 45:44 But then he's gonna be stewing on it for ten years. So by the time-

Andrew Santino 45:46 Yeah. Yes. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 45:47 Imagine if people really did do that. They just decide, "Okay. I'll, you can own me for one month."

Andrew Santino 45:52 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 45:52 "And I'll do whatever the fuck you want, but then I own you for one month ten years from now."

Andrew Santino 45:56 That's a great movie, by the way.

Jamie Vernon 45:58 That's a crazy deal. Let's hope the guy-

Andrew Santino 46:00 It's a great, it's a great idea.

Jamie Vernon 46:00 ... stays alive. Meanwhile, like, nine years later, the dude's just drinking and chain smoking, trying to kill himself. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 46:06 Trying to kill himself. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 46:07 (laughs) 'Cause he doesn't wanna be your slave for a month. That'd be... Like, indentured servitude, right, mostly was people that were too poor to make journeys or-

Andrew Santino 46:17 Right.

Jamie Vernon 46:17 ... too poor to do something so they would give up a certain amount of s- like, they would make a contract. Like, they would work for someone for a certain amount of time, right?

Andrew Santino 46:24 Right.

Jamie Vernon 46:24 That's essentially how it was set up?

Andrew Santino 46:26 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 46:27 I mean, that's basically life cap, right?

Andrew Santino 46:28 That's what it is. Basically saying, like-

Jamie Vernon 46:30 But it's s- yeah. Is it s- like a sla- I mean, I g- I guess the conditions probably varied. You know, one of the, the grossest ones I ever saw was, um, Vice did a piece about, uh, Dubai, I believe it was. And about, um, some people who were unscrupulous, uh, construction people-

Andrew Santino 46:49 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 46:49 ... would take these folks in from third world countries and promise them all this money- Uh.

Andrew Santino 46:54 ... to work there. And then they'd take their passports away from them and then pay them a fraction of what they're supposed to pay for them. And then they were- So they're fu- they're trapped.

Jamie Vernon 47:01 And they were living in squalor.

Andrew Santino 47:02 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 47:02 They're trapped. They don't have their passport anymore. They're in the wrong country.

Andrew Santino 47:05 Human trafficking is what it is. I mean, that's the same as when these, they do to these young girls. They have these girls come over to the United States. You know, uh, I, I, I think it was a documentary on Netflix about these, like, young Russian models, right? And they give these girls modeling contracts. They live in a, uh, you know, like a four-bedroom apartment, two girls to a room. Right? And they essentially, you know, fuck them around for a little while with small little weird, maybe random gigs. And then they're like, "Hey, if you wanna make more money, you could always sell your body or sell pictures of you nude. Makes way more money." And they think it's kinda part of this modeling thing. And this is like a constant... I think it was a d- I think it was on Netflix. But it was all about these girls getting trapped. And they can't go back. They don't have enough money. And this, this modeling age- these modeling agencies, these, or these mana- manager agencies, they're, "Well, we have to keep your money and we'll give you, like, a, a salary, so to speak. We pay your rent. We'll give you food." It's fucked up.

Jamie Vernon 47:56 It sounds horrible. But-

Joe Rogan 47:58 ... if it was dudes, I wouldn't care at all.

Andrew Santino 48:01 Yeah, of c- (laughs) Yeah. Of course. It was true.

Joe Rogan 48:04 It was these five handsome guys who came over from Russia looking to get some pussy and drive Ferraris. But it wasn't really working out for them. We're like, "Get a job."

Andrew Santino 48:11 Get a job. It's what you get, man.

Joe Rogan 48:12 "Losers."

Andrew Santino 48:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:12 The fuck did you think was gonna happen?

Andrew Santino 48:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:14 You're just gonna get pussy and Ferraris? Get outta here, bro. Hey.

Andrew Santino 48:17 But I, I'm good-looking. I thought this would make me, make me famous.

Joe Rogan 48:20 Listen, I'm sorry. I can't get you any modeling gigs, but if you wanna make some money, fuck this old lady. What's up? What's up?

Andrew Santino 48:26 But how much-

Joe Rogan 48:27 Make two grand.

Andrew Santino 48:27 How much for ... Two grand for me to fuck her?

Joe Rogan 48:29 Two grand, you fuck that old lady.

Andrew Santino 48:30 Wow.

Joe Rogan 48:30 Come on.

Andrew Santino 48:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:31 That's all you gotta do.

Andrew Santino 48:32 Do I have to come, or just hang with her for a while?

Joe Rogan 48:35 She's gotta come.

Andrew Santino 48:35 She has to?

Joe Rogan 48:36 She has to.

Andrew Santino 48:37 I have to work with her till she come?

Joe Rogan 48:38 Yes, you gotta work with her.

Andrew Santino 48:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:40 You gotta be a good actor.

Andrew Santino 48:41 But no eating pussy. I can't do that.

Joe Rogan 48:43 Oh, you have to eat her pussy.

Andrew Santino 48:44 I have to?

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 48:45 Three grand.

Joe Rogan 48:46 They don't even shave. Old ladies-

Andrew Santino 48:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:48 ... they gave up.

Andrew Santino 48:49 Okay, so eat hairy bush for two grand. I'll do it.

Joe Rogan 48:51 Three grand.

Andrew Santino 48:52 Three grand, I will do this.

Joe Rogan 48:53 I mean, imagine. Right? Yeah, how much sympathy would you have for that guy?

Jamie Vernon 48:57 Did you ever watch the show Gigolos that was on Showtime?

Joe Rogan 49:00 I just- (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 49:00 I didn't, but I know Schaub watched it. I know Tom and Christina loved it. They talked about it a lot.

Joe Rogan 49:04 Why is off?

Jamie Vernon 49:05 That's Schaub right there on the right.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Why did it get canceled?

Jamie Vernon 49:07 Yeah. I don't think they ran its course. It was on for, like, seven seasons.

Andrew Santino 49:09 Six seasons?

Joe Rogan 49:10 No.

Jamie Vernon 49:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:11 No. No, it was not on for six seasons. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 49:12 They ... Yeah. Your Mom's House interviewed one of the guys, I believe, a couple times maybe.

Andrew Santino 49:16 By the way... By the way, every TV show I've done has only gone for, like two, years, but Gigolos gets six seasons. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 49:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:22 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 49:22 That's the state of television.

Joe Rogan 49:23 Jesus Christ. That is crazy.

Andrew Santino 49:26 That's a very, that's a very good tell. By the way, there's, like, not a lot of these, these, uh ... This whole, like, the culture of male gigolos, I think they said percentage-wise, it's, like, unbelievably smaller, these guys that, that get into the gigolo world and stay. They all get ... They get in, they get out. Most women that get into sex work la- last significantly longer than these dudes.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 49:45 Way, way long ... For varied, you know, varied reasons. But I think the gigolo thing is kinda, like, a moment in a man's life where he's like, "I c- ... I wanna fucking try it." Some young, like, fun-loving, free-for-all, that's, like, open mind. "I'll just give it a whirl." Then he gets right out. I don't think that happens for girls, at all. I think women stay in sex work.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Would you feel bad for some dude who was working as a gigolo and his pimp was Suge Knight?

Andrew Santino 50:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:09 And his pimp was making him go out there and eat that pussy?

Andrew Santino 50:13 No.

Joe Rogan 50:13 You gotta make that money.

Jamie Vernon 50:14 That's the website for it. I just-

Andrew Santino 50:15 No, but I've definitely found-

Joe Rogan 50:15 They got a website for it?

Jamie Vernon 50:16 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 50:17 That's, that's Ash.

Joe Rogan 50:17 I bet this guy writes really good poetry.

Jamie Vernon 50:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:19 This guy, what's going on?

Andrew Santino 50:20 Oh, I know Vin Armani.

Joe Rogan 50:22 What's going on with him?

Andrew Santino 50:22 He works at the coffee shop around the corner from my house.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Why is he wearing a shirt like that?

Andrew Santino 50:25 That's just how it's his look, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:27 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 50:28 Bradley Lords. Nick Hawk.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Hey, man, I ain't hating. If you can sling dick and get paid, good luck to you. Look, some people l-

Andrew Santino 50:35 Yeah, do it.

Joe Rogan 50:36 ... uh, some people out there working as a masseuse that do not like touching people, okay? Tell me how much different-

Andrew Santino 50:41 That's a bummer.

Joe Rogan 50:41 ... that is.

Andrew Santino 50:41 That's a bummer, though.

Joe Rogan 50:42 How much different is that than being able to be a guy, and wear nice shirts like that? And occasionally you can got bang broads you don't want to?

Andrew Santino 50:48 (laughs) Wear nice shirts like that?

Joe Rogan 50:49 Is that so horrible?

Andrew Santino 50:49 Look, you get some nice European j-

Joe Rogan 50:51 Is that so horrible?

Andrew Santino 50:51 No. Fu- ... Th- the world could be worse.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Do you remember Richard Gere? Wasn't he a gigolo in one of his movies?

Andrew Santino 50:57 Who is it?

Joe Rogan 50:58 Didn't he, didn't he have a movie called Gigolo, where he would, like, bang old ladies?

Andrew Santino 51:01 I don't know if it was called Gigolo, but yeah, he-

Joe Rogan 51:03 I think it was called Gigolo.

Jamie Vernon 51:04 American Gigolo.

Andrew Santino 51:05 Was it American Gigolo?

Joe Rogan 51:05 American Gigolo, that's right.

Andrew Santino 51:06 And he- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:07 College Boy.

Jamie Vernon 51:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:08 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 51:08 You must've loved his shit, didn't you? Yeah, you know it.

Joe Rogan 51:10 Richard Gere was out there banging ladies. Here's what they don't tell you. Most of that money in that gigolo world is sucking dick, okay?

Andrew Santino 51:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:16 If you wanna go out there and suck that dick, you can make that money. But if you just wanna bang old ladies, ah, whoa. Look at the difference.

Andrew Santino 51:24 That's when he was youn- that's when he was how, God, it'd be like 22, 23?

Joe Rogan 51:28 Um, he was pretty young and handsome, and then Father Time done fucking mollywhopped him like-

Andrew Santino 51:33 Father Time got him.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... Marvin Hagler on Thomas Hearns. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 51:37 (laughs) Third round.

Joe Rogan 51:39 I remember when he went on stage in New York, uh, after 9/11.

Andrew Santino 51:44 Who did?

Joe Rogan 51:45 Richard Gere did.

Andrew Santino 51:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:46 And, uh, was trying to tell the audience that they should choose love, and that-

Andrew Santino 51:52 Wait, what on state- state ... Where stage?

Joe Rogan 51:53 He sh- ... He was on stage at some sort of a benefit.

Andrew Santino 51:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Right after 9/11.

Andrew Santino 51:57 Before 9/11? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 It was right after 9/11. And he was saying, essentially, that ... You know, a great message. Just, but at the time, people were just bloodthirsty. They booed him. They're like, "Fuck you."

Andrew Santino 52:08 What did he say?

Joe Rogan 52:08 "Boo. Fuck you." He's basically saying, "Let's not have military action. More people shouldn't die because of some things-"

Andrew Santino 52:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:15 "... that these people did to us."

Andrew Santino 52:16 He's saying, "Try to figure out a different way to do this."

Joe Rogan 52:18 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 52:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 I mean, he's, he's a, he's a Buddhist, I believe. I mean, he's r- like, uh, he's really close pals with the Dalai Lama.

Andrew Santino 52:25 Yeah, but the ... But, but in the interest of talking about what we're talking about, revenge means a lot. It's kinda hard to tell America to not get revenge on somebody.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Right.

Andrew Santino 52:33 We love revenge.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Well, yeah. Well-

Andrew Santino 52:36 We love getting back people that have tried to fuck with us. Even if we go t- ... even if we go way deeper than they did.

Joe Rogan 52:40 We're warlike monkeys.

Andrew Santino 52:41 Yeah, we love it.

Joe Rogan 52:42 We, we, we ... When a- when we think we're being attacked, like retribution and revenge is what we were just talking about earlier, but, like, chimps. Chimps do that too.

Andrew Santino 52:50 Yeah, natural. It's n- it's-

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 52:51 It's nature.

Joe Rogan 52:52 It's part of nature.

Andrew Santino 52:52 It's nature.

Joe Rogan 52:53 You wanna get revenge, these motherfuckers. Like, uh, we were talking about that guy who got ripped apart by the chimp, who went to bring a birthday cake.

Andrew Santino 53:00 Dude.

Joe Rogan 53:01 See, other chimps that did it because they were jealous, they were angry, they were jealous that one chimp-

Andrew Santino 53:05 That they weren't getting this compassion, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:06 ... got a birthday cake, and they didn't get shit, and someone fucked up and left the gate open. And they, they came out, fucked that dude up.

Andrew Santino 53:12 They ripped his limbs off.

Joe Rogan 53:13 Just because ... They tore his face apart, just because he wouldn't give them ... didn't bring cake for them.

Andrew Santino 53:17 (laughs) Were they female chimps?

Joe Rogan 53:19 No, they were male.

Andrew Santino 53:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:20 They're male.

Andrew Santino 53:20 Where's my cake? Losing it.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Cake must be so good to-

Andrew Santino 53:25 Must have been good-ass fucking cake, dude.

Joe Rogan 53:27 ... to a chimp that doesn't understand what cake is. Like, "How the fuck did you do this?"

Andrew Santino 53:31 But they do understand what cake is.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Right, well they understand it once you get it to them.

Andrew Santino 53:34 It's a gem, yeah. It's something ... It's, it's ... That's like a powerful orb you brought.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Did I tell you when we were in Costa Rica?

Andrew Santino 53:39 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 53:39 And, uh, there's ch- ... There's monkeys everywhere there.

Andrew Santino 53:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:41 It's crazy. Cool, cool-ass monkeys, but they're a little sketchy.

Andrew Santino 53:44 I know, I got married down there.

Joe Rogan 53:45 And ... Oh, you did?

Andrew Santino 53:46 In Costa Rica, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 53:47 Yeah, they're out- they're out of their fucking mind.

Joe Rogan 53:48 We were hanging out with them, and, uh, there's a thing called a coatimunda. You know what that is?

Andrew Santino 53:53 No.

Joe Rogan 53:54 They look like a, like a raccoon-monkey thing. It's a weird creature.

Andrew Santino 53:59 A runkey.

Joe Rogan 54:00 And, uh-... they would come out, we were staying at this resort and they would just come right down the, the pathway to where your, uh, your door to your room was-

Andrew Santino 54:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:10 ... and they'd just hang out with you, like these coatimundis, just hanging out. You could feed them grapes and shit. They would take them right out of your hands.

Andrew Santino 54:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:16 But, like, no danger at all. They were, like, super chill and friendly. So we gave this coatimundi some grapes and then he laid down and took a nap under my chair.

Andrew Santino 54:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:26 Like, just took a fucking nap.

Andrew Santino 54:27 It's like a dog.

Joe Rogan 54:28 It was like a dog.

Andrew Santino 54:28 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:28 But, like, the most chill dog of all time.

Andrew Santino 54:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:31 I'm like, "Goddamn, these things are cool."

Andrew Santino 54:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:33 Like, we were just sitting there at just... I go, "Go ahead, buddy, take a s- take a nap. You're safe here." I gave him some grapes and shit.

Andrew Santino 54:39 That's why people wanna, want chimps at their house. People love the idea of, of having them.

Joe Rogan 54:42 So the monkeys came over and we only had, uh... That's what a coatimundi looks like. Dude, they're the shit. They're, they're such cool little animals.

Andrew Santino 54:50 It does kinda look raccoonish.

Joe Rogan 54:51 My daughters gave him a, a fake name, like, uh, they, they were calling him a kinkajou. They just decided to call it a kinkajou, like s-

Andrew Santino 54:57 That's more fun.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 54:58 Kinkajou sounds-

Joe Rogan 54:58 They, they made their own word up, I think. I don't think that's a real word.

Andrew Santino 55:01 (laughs) Coatimundi.

Joe Rogan 55:02 But that, that li- that little guy was so cool. Such an interesting little fella. I mean, he just, like, gently take grapes right out of your hand. Gently.

Andrew Santino 55:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Like, the most chill dog of all time.

Andrew Santino 55:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:13 So anyway, we, we were out of grapes and these, uh, monkeys showed up and they're, they're, like, hanging out, like, looking, like, "What do you got for us?"

Andrew Santino 55:20 These guys?

Joe Rogan 55:20 They're looking hungry. No, real monkeys.

Andrew Santino 55:22 Oh, oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 55:22 That's not a monkey.

Andrew Santino 55:23 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 55:23 That's like a... I don't know what that is. I don't know what a coatimundi is. What family is that thing in?

Andrew Santino 55:27 What family? What is that?

Joe Rogan 55:29 Anyway, we gave these, uh-

Andrew Santino 55:30 A macaque?

Joe Rogan 55:30 We were like, "I don't know if we should give these monkeys these Oreos. It's kinda fucked up. Like, it's not good for them."

Andrew Santino 55:35 Show off.

Joe Rogan 55:35 And then I looked and one of them only had one hand. I'm like, "Well, that's not good for him either." They're getting-

Andrew Santino 55:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:39 Getting their fucking hand bit off. So I gave him (laughs) , I gave him... He snatched it from me and he opened it up and then started chewing the white stuff off.

Andrew Santino 55:48 Just like the cream?

Joe Rogan 55:49 Yes.

Andrew Santino 55:49 He's one of us.

Joe Rogan 55:50 But he already knew about it.

Andrew Santino 55:51 He knew, dude.

Joe Rogan 55:51 I'm like, "He's probably been getting Oreos for his whole life."

Andrew Santino 55:54 For a long time.

Joe Rogan 55:55 From people that stay at the resort.

Andrew Santino 55:56 He knows the trick, dude. He eats the outside of Pop-Tarts.

Joe Rogan 55:58 You know, you go in that mini bar.

Andrew Santino 55:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:59 I mean, he knew what the fuck to do.

Andrew Santino 56:00 Oh, dude. Well, l- look, they make you at this... You know, they're all open air houses you rent on the beach. You know, like, everything's pretty open except for the bedroom is the only thing that's closed off. And they had latch locks, padlocks on the refrigerator. And I was like, "Why do you guys lock that up?" And they were like, "The monkeys know how to get into all that shit."

Joe Rogan 56:18 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 56:18 "They know how to open the door and they know how to get in the drawers." He's like, "Dude, they knew how to, they know how to open up egg cartons. They know how to open the lid and take eggs and close the lid." I'm not kidding. He's like, "They're, they're smart."

Joe Rogan 56:29 I believe it.

Andrew Santino 56:29 So in the middle of the night, the first night that we were there, I h- I hear the gate kinda rustling and then I hear movement. And I'm like, "Someone's in the fucking house." 'Cause it's on the beach, it's wide open. So of course, I, like, grab something, uh, the biggest thing I could find next to me. And I'm out there, I'm like, "Hey! Hey!" You know, like a nutbag in my fucking... I'm yelling. Of course, I look. It... They're just monkeys chilling, trying to, like, get shit in the house. They're trying to find shit laying around. Food, drinks, whatever it was. And of course, I go back to bed. And every night, I would hear them come and go. But you'd hear them try the refrigerator. They, you would hear them pulling on it to see if the latch was s- like, if we left it unlocked.

Joe Rogan 57:04 True.

Andrew Santino 57:05 They're smart. They l- they learn, they learn all the little tricks of where you put stuff. Cabinets, I could hear a cabinet's opening and closing.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Wow.

Andrew Santino 57:11 Yeah, they were smart, man.

Joe Rogan 57:12 That's so weird. It's like a little person.

Andrew Santino 57:14 It is.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Almost.

Andrew Santino 57:15 A little sneaky... Uh, yeah, it is a little person.

Joe Rogan 57:17 A little sneaky fuck.

Andrew Santino 57:18 Using... And they, and they put purposely, uh, up, up in this place that I was at, um, they purposely string wire from house to house to house, so the monkeys kinda had freedom to go up above. Because if they would go down by the road, it would cause more traffic and disturbances and all that stuff. So they keep them up in the canopy. So they put rope purposely house to house and tree to tree that humans put up so they have easier pathways to get down to the water. 'Cause they say when they're down on the ground, it's more distracting. There's, you know, it's a lot harder to drive, they f- they create little messes down below. So if they keep them up high, it's better for them.

Joe Rogan 57:50 (sighs)

Andrew Santino 57:50 It was crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 57:52 What a wild little creature that can swing from tree to tree. They fly up into the treetops like that. (makes shooting noises)

Andrew Santino 57:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:58 Just hanging from shit.

Andrew Santino 57:59 Just one?

Joe Rogan 58:00 They're almost like people.

Andrew Santino 58:01 Sometimes you... I'd see one just hanging.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 58:02 And it'd be staring right at you.

Joe Rogan 58:03 But they're almost like people.

Andrew Santino 58:05 They're so... They're right fucking there.

Joe Rogan 58:07 Well, the weirdest, the weirdest thing is that if, if evolution is happening all the time... Look at this little monkey. Can we show this to the video?

Andrew Santino 58:14 Look, is this him breaking into a house?

Joe Rogan 58:16 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 58:16 Yeah, watch. Watch this. Watch how smart. Look, he'll... If it... "Give me those chips. I love these fucking chips. I love that."

Joe Rogan 58:21 And he's... It looks like he's looking right at the person too.

Andrew Santino 58:23 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Oh, wow.

Jamie Vernon 58:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:25 And he just takes off with the chips.

Andrew Santino 58:27 Dude, they know which ones they-

Joe Rogan 58:28 You need to just feed them.

Andrew Santino 58:28 They know which ones they like.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Just be nice to the guys. Just be nice to them. What happens if you feed them?

Andrew Santino 58:32 You can't... No, they tell you not to feed them.

Joe Rogan 58:34 What happens?

Andrew Santino 58:34 Because, well, then they know to keep coming back and where they can get food.

Joe Rogan 58:36 What if you like monkeys?

Andrew Santino 58:37 No, they say if you...

Joe Rogan 58:38 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 58:38 And if you... (laughs) And they say if you don't, if you... When you stop feeding them, after you fed them enough-

Joe Rogan 58:42 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 58:42 ... then they start to get aggressive.

Joe Rogan 58:43 So then you shoot one and you send a, send a message.

Andrew Santino 58:46 You just kill them. Right, and then they all come back and kill you.

Joe Rogan 58:47 You, you pull out a fucking 12 gauge and you blow the little face off one of those cunts.

Andrew Santino 58:52 (laughs) And you make your drug pouch.

Joe Rogan 58:52 And you go, "Hey, you guys want free food? You'll get it, but you'll get it on my terms."

Andrew Santino 58:56 (laughs) "You'll get it on my terms, monkey."

Joe Rogan 58:57 And then you go back inside.

Andrew Santino 58:58 You just described-

Joe Rogan 58:58 And you got them hooked.

Andrew Santino 58:59 ... the plot for, uh, Planet of the Apes. This is literally like the plot from Planet of the Apes.

Joe Rogan 59:02 You get them hooked. You get them hooked.

Andrew Santino 59:04 Yeah, yeah. You bait them.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Get them hooked on food.

Andrew Santino 59:05 Yeah, you bait them.

Joe Rogan 59:07 There's a lot of places like that, um, where, where animals are dependent on people. They're dependent on people to, to feed them.

Andrew Santino 59:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:13 And it's, uh, it's a little squirrelly. Like, one... There's a place in, I think it's Jamaica, where people swim with wild pigs. Now, wild pigs-

Andrew Santino 59:22 Oh, in the Bahamas. The Bahamas.

Joe Rogan 59:23 The Bahamas.

Andrew Santino 59:23 Yeah, I seen it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Thank you, thank you. Now, wild pigs generally avoid people.

Andrew Santino 59:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 They don't wanna have anything to do with you.

Andrew Santino 59:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:29 And they're dangerous.

Andrew Santino 59:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:30 They're sketchy.

Andrew Santino 59:30 Yeah. Wild boars are nuts.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Yeah. But in this place, people have been feeding these things for so long. They have trips, like tourist trips-

Andrew Santino 59:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:38 ... where people fly in, feed these pigs-

Andrew Santino 59:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:40 ... and swim around with them.

Andrew Santino 59:41 Pig island.

Joe Rogan 59:41 So they got wild pigs that are constantly being fed by people. But a friend of a friend went there and someone they were with got bit.

Andrew Santino 59:50 Oh, yeah. I've heard they bite.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Like, it bit them in the ass. It bit... One of the, one of the pigs bit them in the ass, and it was because they didn't have any food or something like that.

Andrew Santino 59:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 They didn't, didn't offer them anything.

Andrew Santino 59:57 They, you have to keep feeding them throughout the whole thing. It tells you all about it, that they, that they get really ornery and they get really annoyed.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 (laughs) Fuck you.

Andrew Santino 1:00:03 You fucking... (laughs) Just, just drown it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Fuck you.

Andrew Santino 1:00:06 Just put it right under.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 That, th- no, bro.

Andrew Santino 1:00:07 Bake it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Those, they're, they're strong.

Andrew Santino 1:00:08 No, they are. You can't fuck with those things.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 It's a creepy animal, because they're beautiful and they're sweet. And th- the, like, pigs are a, they're a weird one.

Andrew Santino 1:00:16 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Because they're... Look, as cool... Look, I'm a dog lover. I love dogs.

Andrew Santino 1:00:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Pigs are almost like a dog.... and maybe smarter.

Andrew Santino 1:00:24 Close. They're pro- well, they're probably definitely smarter.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 But they like the way that we act to people.

Andrew Santino 1:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 And that, like, if you feed them and you're their friend, you become their buddy. But-

Andrew Santino 1:00:32 Are you against eating them?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 No.

Andrew Santino 1:00:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 But also, look, because I've killed them.

Andrew Santino 1:00:36 I know, they're delicious.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 I mean, I've killed wild ones. But wild ones are different, man.

Andrew Santino 1:00:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Because they're out there hustling, okay?

Andrew Santino 1:00:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 They don't, they're, they're not in this fucking pen getting slop all day, trying to fatten them up.

Andrew Santino 1:00:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 It's hard to get fat out there. They're out there hustling.

Andrew Santino 1:00:48 There's so much more lean meat out there.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 They're much leanar, but they're also vicious, man. They're v- they get-

Andrew Santino 1:00:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 ... they grow these giant tusks, they have these big fucking fangs. And the crazy thing is, they're the same species as the domestic pig.

Andrew Santino 1:01:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 It's the same animal.

Andrew Santino 1:01:02 Just one's, one's, one's pampered and one's not.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Exactly.

Andrew Santino 1:01:05 Bring up, have you ever seen javelinas? Do you know what javelinas are?

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:01:07 So, in Arizona-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 That's a peccary.

Andrew Santino 1:01:09 Well, when I saw those-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 It looks like a pig.

Andrew Santino 1:01:10 ... it looks just like a pig.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:01:11 That was when I fir- when I first moved to Arizona. I saw one, and I was like, "Oh, what the fuck is that thing?" And my buddy was like, "No, no, no, don't go d- Th- they, they'll come right at you."

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:01:19 "They will fucking go for your legs bad." 'Cause they're real low to the ground. But he's like, "They'll start spearing you, and they'll come at your legs." And one time I was valeting in college, and I was up way in the m- up in the mountain, and at some dude's, you know, some private, huge private residence. And there were packs of, I mean packs of them.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 1:01:34 And I could hear them rustling around, and they were, like, positioning themselves, 'cause I was, we were parking cars where they were living. And I