Joe Rogan Experience #1296 - Joe List

1. 0:00 – 1:02

   Live show hang, Manhattan Beach trip, and early Hollywood culture shock

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... two. Joe List, ladies and gentlemen. Joe List!

   2. JLJoe List0:05

      Oh, I'm already in. I'm already going.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      I wanted to do it like one of the morning DJ guys.

   4. JLJoe List0:08

      I appreciate it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Hey, Joe, I hear you're in town for The Funny Fuck.

   6. JLJoe List0:11

      I am. (laughs) I'm doing The Funny Fuck this weekend, tonight through Sunday.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Excellent. Actually, you are working with me tonight.

   8. JLJoe List0:18

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      We have two sold out shows at the, uh, Hollywood Improv. Mm.

   10. JLJoe List0:21

       I appreciate it. I'm excited to be there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       My pleasure. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be The Machine, Bert Kreischer-

   12. JLJoe List0:25

       I love Bert.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       ... and Cheeto Santino, Andrew Santino. You know Andrew?

   14. JLJoe List0:29

       I know, I know Andrew, but I don't know if ... I don't know him personally.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       You just know of him?

   16. JLJoe List0:33

       I don't know if he knows me. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       He's hilarious.

   18. JLJoe List0:34

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah, should be a good old fucking time.

   20. JLJoe List0:36

       Yeah, I'm excited.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       I'm excited.

   22. JLJoe List0:37

       Thanks for having me.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       My pleasure, my pl- How long are you in town for?

   24. JLJoe List0:40

       I leave tomorrow morning.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Ah, okay.

   26. JLJoe List0:41

       I got here on Sunday. Oh, I got here Saturday actually, but I stayed down Manhattan Beach.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Oh, what are you doing? You're b- posh, hanging out with the people by the beach, hmm?

   28. JLJoe List0:48

       It was ni- Well, I was down at the airport, my wife is here, and I said, "Let's go down to Manhattan Beach for lunch," and we were enjoying ourselves so we got a hotel and made love and walked on the beach.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Whoa, you made love?

   30. JLJoe List0:57

       Yeah.
2. 1:02 – 2:38

   The toaster-collector party and the dark art of “networking” in Hollywood

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:02

      I, I went to a party once in Manhattan Beach and the guy collected toasters-

   2. JLJoe List1:07

      Huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      ... and I was like, "What is this?" And he's like, "Oh, I just collect toasters." I'm like, "Okay."

   4. JLJoe List1:13

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:13

      From all different time periods. Like he had, like-

   6. JLJoe List1:16

      Oh, right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      ... an ancient toaster from, like, the '50s with all this patina on it, and then he had modern toasters, but he ... I think he was trying too hard. You know those, some dudes just wear bowling shoes and shit? They just try too hard to be wacky.

   8. JLJoe List1:28

      Yeah, was he like a hipster or was it, like, an old sage?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:31

      He was a girl ... or he was a guy who was trying to fuck my girlfriend.

   10. JLJoe List1:34

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       And she wanted to go to this party, so I was like, "All right."

   12. JLJoe List1:37

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       I think ... She was an actress and I think he was in the movie business.

   14. JLJoe List1:41

       Imagine getting cucked by a toaster-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Yeah.

   16. JLJoe List1:43

       ... collector.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Yeah, I almost did. Well, it wasn't l- It was one of them squirrelly deals where she was like, sa-, "I'm so not interested in him. I just wanna go to this party for networking." I was a young lad, I had just moved to Hollywood, I did not know the ways of this goofy fucking town yet.

   18. JLJoe List2:00

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       I hadn't, um, I hadn't exercised myself from Hollywood in part- you know?

   20. JLJoe List2:06

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       I was still doing the thing, acting, going on auditions and shit.

   22. JLJoe List2:09

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       So it was like ... Y- y- you, when you first get here, you're like, "What is this?" Especially in the '90s, it was super squirrelly 'cause everybody was trying to get a development deal and everybody was trying to get a sitcom, and they kinda, like, let you th- think that that was the only way.

   24. JLJoe List2:22

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:22

       "You have to get a sitcom. You wanna be like Roseanne."

   26. JLJoe List2:24

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       "Don't you wanna be like Tim Allen? What about Seinfeld? He got a sitcom. You should get a sitcom." I'm like, "Damn, I wanna get a sitcom." And so everybody was out here just trying to do the acting thing, and I did it for a while, and after a while, you're like, "These people are not worth it."

3. 2:38 – 5:54

   Sitcom writing vs. standup growth: the “sweet gig” trap

   1. JLJoe List2:38

      But you did get a sitcom, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a couple of them. Yeah, I was in a couple of them.

   3. JLJoe List2:42

      It seems like fun.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      Um, it's fun. Standup's more fun.

   5. JLJoe List2:45

      Yeah, it's not something I'd be interested in doing, but ...

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      If you could do a sitcom with all standups, that would be the shit. That would be the shit. Like if you, you, if you could do a sitcom with really good writers who are cool and all the people on the show were standups, that would be fucking monstrous.

   7. JLJoe List3:01

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      But it's not usually like that.

   9. JLJoe List3:03

      No, and it seems very, uh, what do you call it? Uh, corporate-

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JLJoe List3:07

       ... and you gotta do this and this-

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Yeah.

   13. JLJoe List3:09

       ... and a lot of rules and stuff. It seems like podcasts are-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Well, they're trying to make money, you know?

   15. JLJoe List3:13

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       And they can't make money if, uh, people do things and get people in trouble or they say things and get people angry or someone calls up human resources and "Joe List was talking about his dick-"

   17. JLJoe List3:23

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       "... and the, the craft service lady heard it and now there's a lawsuit."

   19. JLJoe List3:27

       I think with podcasts now, most of us comedians with podcasts have no chance of getting any corporate job.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       I don't think that's true.

   21. JLJoe List3:34

       Really?

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       I g- I get offered shit all the time. I think that we don't need it, though.

   23. JLJoe List3:38

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       And I think it's, it actually will get in the way. Have you ever written on a, a sitcom?

   25. JLJoe List3:42

       No.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Written on anything?

   27. JLJoe List3:44

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       And when you, when you write, there's a trap that comics fall into that are good writers. They, they get this sitcom writing gig, and it's a sweet gig, you get paid thousands of dollars a week, your bill- your bills are covered, so you feel good.

   29. JLJoe List3:57

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       But you're never going on the road. You're, you're in town all the time and you're just doing sets around town, so you're pretending that you're still a comic.
4. 5:54 – 13:34

   Writing discipline, distraction loops, and the phone as a dopamine machine

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      You, uh, write-write, you sit down and write?

   2. JLJoe List5:57

      A little bit, yeah. I try to, but a lot of times, um ...A lot of times I'll start writing and then I end up just-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:03

      Jerking off.

   4. JLJoe List6:04

      ... jerking off, yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:06

      (laughs)

   6. JLJoe List6:06

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:06

      But-

   8. JLJoe List6:06

      Although I do that less than I used to do too.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:08

      Well, Louis said that he had, he kept his, uh, he had one laptop that could not connect to the internet. He had it-

   10. JLJoe List6:14

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Yeah.

   12. JLJoe List6:15

       Yeah, yeah, he still does that, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       But if you do that, like what if you wanna Google something while you're writing?

   14. JLJoe List6:20

       Well, I do that a lot and I'll use it as an excuse. I'll be writing and then I'm like, "What, what's the origin? Let me Google that for research."

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Right, right, right.

   16. JLJoe List6:25

       And then before you know it, I'm just going through Instagram-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       You're jerking off. (laughs)

   18. JLJoe List6:28

       ... and I'm jerking off, yeah, exactly. Um...

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yeah, you gotta have discipline, that's all. I give myself an hour. I have one hour that I have to write and then if I enjoy it, I keep going, but one h- for one hour, there is nothing going on but writing.

   20. JLJoe List6:41

       See, that's ambitious. I have to go literally... I'm not even joking, like 10 minutes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       (laughs)

   22. JLJoe List6:45

       I'm like, "Let me do 10 minutes." And usually I'll go a little longer 'cause I'm like, "All right, all right."

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Ugh.

   24. JLJoe List6:49

       But like now I'll do like 30 minutes, and then I'm like, "Then you can treat yourself." I'm a child.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       I, I am too. But I found that... I mean, obviously we came in here. We were... Me and Jeff were embroiled in a, a Quake death match.

   26. JLJoe List6:59

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Yeah, and we wouldn't stop to say hi. S- I said hi b- briefly. Like-

   28. JLJoe List7:03

       I appreciate- I felt bad.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       "See you in 15 minutes." (laughs)

   30. JLJoe List7:05

       I felt like I walked in on you fucking. You were-
5. 13:34 – 23:17

   Silent reflux, diet overhaul, and the bizarre economics of healthcare

   1. JLJoe List13:34

      Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm dealing... I had like a horrible diet my whole life for like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:39

      What do you eat?

   3. JLJoe List13:40

      Well, now I've changed. I'm going through a bit of a medical situation right now. Um, I have AIDS, Joe.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:45

      Mm.

   5. JLJoe List13:45

      I came here to say.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:46

      What kind of AIDS? The good kind?

   7. JLJoe List13:47

      Um, yeah, the good kind.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:48

      Like the Magic Johnson kind?

   9. JLJoe List13:48

      Yeah, yeah. Kinda the fun-

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       (laughs)

   11. JLJoe List13:50

       The fun, you lose a little weight, whatever.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       But it makes you whimsical?

   13. JLJoe List13:53

       Uh, yeah. I feel good-

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       (laughs)

   15. JLJoe List13:54

       ... I can play basketball now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       Like the Flintstones, like gay old time.

   17. JLJoe List13:57

       Did they have AIDS?

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       Yeah.

   19. JLJoe List13:59

       (laughs) The Flintstones?

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       They all did. That's why they're not here anymore. (laughs)

   21. JLJoe List14:03

       (laughs) Um, uh, what was I gonna say? I got caught up on Flintstone aids.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       I don't know. You have a medical issue?

   23. JLJoe List14:09

       Oh. So I have, uh, this thing called silent reflux. Have you ever heard of this?

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       No.

   25. JLJoe List14:13

       It's acid reflux but in s-... they call it silent 'cause there's no, um, heartburn. It's different than GERD.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:19

       Mm.

   27. JLJoe List14:19

       It just goes straight up into your like vocal cords, into your throat, so it's like fucking up my, my shit.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Oh, no.

   29. JLJoe List14:26

       And, uh, I wake up with like a cough and it's like into my... They're calling it respiratory reflux now, where it like... It's almost like asthma, sinus shit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       And it's diet related?
6. 23:17 – 24:52

   Fighters, strength “base,” and why your uncle’s advice is terrible

   1. JLJoe List23:17

      ... remember the fighter Vinny Pazienza?

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:18

      Sure.

   3. JLJoe List23:19

      He's from Rhode Island, and I was working the Providence Comedy Connection years ago. And he was at the show, we kinda met, and then he, he was drinking a little bit. And then after the show, we were all at the bar. And, uh, I think he, he was, like, kinda fucking around, and he's like, "Ah, the comedian. I'm gonna come over there and kick that comedian's ass." He was kinda like, uh... I think he was fucking with me or whatever.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:37

      Right.

   5. JLJoe List23:37

      But I was, like, terrified. I'm a terrified human anyways. And he's like, "Ah, I'm gonna come over there and beat his ass." And then this girl that he was with was kinda like, "Vinny, no." And she was, like, kinda looked nervous, where I was like, "Wait, is this something... Is this, like, a real thing?" And, like, everyone there was like, "Ah, no, he's fucking with you." And then I was, like, telling the story later to, like, my f- my uncle, and he's like, "Oh, he's drunk. He'll fuckin'... He'll be fine."

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:59

      What?

   7. JLJoe List23:59

      And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "Ah, he's older. He's drunk."

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:02

      Oh, my God.

   9. JLJoe List24:03

      And I'm like, "At what point of me-

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:06

       (laughs)

   11. JLJoe List24:06

       ... hitting Vinny Pazienza do you think he'd be like, "All right, I'll-... all right, I'm sorry.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       (laughs)

   13. JLJoe List24:10

       I'm like, there, like, it's just, there's no amount of like, "Ah, he's a little older. He's had a couple cocktails."

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:14

       Uncles are terrible for advice.

   15. JLJoe List24:16

       But that...

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:17

       'Cause they, they, you're not their kid to like, "Ah, you figure it out." They give you like really abbreviated, shitty advice.

   17. JLJoe List24:22

       Yeah, it's like a nice idea that I'd be like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       Oh.

   19. JLJoe List24:25

       ... "You, uh, you'll be able to handle him."

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:26

       Yeah.

   21. JLJoe List24:26

       I'm like, "No, no, I think he would, I think he would win."

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:29

       Yeah.

   23. JLJoe List24:29

       He's the fucking champion of the world at beating people up.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:32

       Yeah, he was, he's a bad motherfucker.

   25. JLJoe List24:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       It'd be a real problem for you.

   27. JLJoe List24:36

       Yeah, I wouldn't have-

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       No matter how drunk he was.

   29. JLJoe List24:37

       Yeah, I wouldn't have fared well.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:38

       It's just, uncles, they're, they're terrible with advice. The uncles are always buying you beer when you're too young.
7. 24:52 – 27:19

   Kids, careers, and raising a family in New York City

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      Do you like being an u- uh, uh, you plan on shooting loads into the missus and having a real person?

   2. JLJoe List24:57

      No, I mean, I plan on shooting loads (laughs) into her, but I don't think so. My, my wife's a comedian as well.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:01

      Oh.

   4. JLJoe List25:02

      And, uh-

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:02

      She doesn't want to have a kid.

   6. JLJoe List25:03

      No, we're a little old. I mean, she's old enou- I'm 37, she's 41 and, uh, someone's career has to be sacrificed quite a bit, I think, to have a kid.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:12

      Right, that's one way to look at it, yeah.

   8. JLJoe List25:13

      And, uh, like as of right now-

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:15

      (coughs)

   10. JLJoe List25:16

       ... which it could change, uh, any time, I'm making more money on the road, like that's the majority of our money. So it'd have to be like, I, I gotta keep going on the road.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       Right.

   12. JLJoe List25:25

       So, and then we're in New York, and, uh, you know, it's hard to have a child.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:30

       Yeah.

   14. JLJoe List25:30

       They're very expensive as you know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       They're very expensive, and New York is a weird place to raise a child. It's just weird. I, I have friends who raise their kids in New York, and they're like, "We love it. The kids love it. We let them go wander around the streets." It's like, "All right."

   16. JLJoe List25:42

       Do they have, they go to like private school and shit?

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       (sucks teeth) No.

   18. JLJoe List25:44

       'Cause I feel like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       No, they, they go to public.

   20. JLJoe List25:47

       The idea of like your nine-year-old on the subway is terrify- again, like with anxiety.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       Right, yeah.

   22. JLJoe List25:53

       I, every moment I'd be like, "My kid is getting abducted right now on the..."

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       But you never know. Like you could get a subway where everybody's cool or you could get a subway where there's a crazy person and you're trapped in a tube with a crazy person.

   24. JLJoe List26:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       It's one of the more interesting things about rolling the dice with the New York City subway is that you're, you're just entering into a closed environment where you cannot escape for a prolonged period of time with people that you don't know. And most people are cool.

   26. JLJoe List26:17

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       Most people just wanna get to their job or their house or wherever they're going. But every now and then, like I, I met a dude, do you remember there was a knife attack on a subway where a guy had killed a couple of people, uh, and cut one guy up and the guy disarmed him f- from some moves that he learned in Ultimate Fighting Championship watching it on TV?

   28. JLJoe List26:37

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:37

       Yeah, I met him. He had these giant cuts on his head. It was really intense, man.

   30. JLJoe List26:42

       Yeah, I would not, I would not do well. I would just be like, "Yeah, just cut me up."
8. 27:19 – 30:58

   Subway chaos story: harassment, group threat dynamics, and survival mode

   1. JLJoe List27:19

      I was on the, uh, subway, uh, a couple years ago and I was like, it was empty, I was on like the back of the train and there was like, it was just me sitting there. And then there was like a guy sleeping on the other end, like, uh, he was passed out or whatever. And then, uh, there's like six hooligan, like young teenager, like they were acting all crazy and they got on the train on that end of the train. They were like spitting on the guy and they were like, "Wake up!" They were screaming, but the guy was like pa-

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:45

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

   3. JLJoe List27:45

      ... he was obviously drunk or whatever, and they were like hocking loogies on him and stuff and like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:49

      (inhales deeply)

   5. JLJoe List27:50

      ... jumping up and down. And so I was just looking at my phone 'cause it was like a, it was a w- bad situation, unpleasant.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:55

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JLJoe List27:56

      And then they kind of turned and focused towards me and they were like, "Hey, you fucking faggot, look up, look up from your phone." And then I just didn't, I kept ignoring them. And then one guy was like, "I'm gonna kill you if you don't look over here." And then the other guy was like, "I'll kill you if you keep looking at your phone." And I was like shitting my pants. And this is between Queensboro Plaza and Lexington Avenue, which is a pretty long underground station. It was like doing the thing where it was like delayed. So it was probably like, realistically it was like four or five minutes, but I was like shitting my pants. And there's six of them. They were probably like early 20s, late teens.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:29

      (sighs)

   9. JLJoe List28:29

      I have no fighting training or no weapon where I was like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:33

       You just did.

   11. JLJoe List28:33

       ... "This is a bad situation." Like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:35

       (coughs)

   13. JLJoe List28:36

       ... six people, you're like, I'm f- I'm not gonna, I have no...

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       Six people's a problem.

   15. JLJoe List28:40

       Six people (laughs) is a problem. I appreciate you saying that 'cause a lot of people are like, "I would have busted up the biggest guy." Or whatever the fuck-

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:45

       No.

   17. JLJoe List28:45

       ... and you're like, "Dude."

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:46

       It's just a tangle of arms and legs. Six people's a real problem. The only thing that would save you though is that you're in a subway. And what, by that is they're not gonna surround you, right? If you just put your back to the wall-

   19. JLJoe List28:59

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       ... there's six people, as they come towards you, they have to kind of come towards you almost single file.

   21. JLJoe List29:05

       I suppose so, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       There's not a lot of room. You can get like two at a time, (coughs) but you could crack one and if you crack one, most of them will start panicking. Most people don't know how to fight.

   23. JLJoe List29:18

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:18

       If you smash one guy's face in and he goes unconscious and then the other guys are there and you start moving in on them, they have this anxiety attack, they start freaking, unless they know how to fight. And I doubt they do 'cause people don't, uh, who know how to fight, they don't do things like that.

   25. JLJoe List29:33

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       It's very, very rarely do you run into thugs that actually know how to fight.

   27. JLJoe List29:37

       But that's the problem is most people don't know how to fight.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       Yeah.

   29. JLJoe List29:40

       I'm one of those most of the people. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:42

       (laughs) Yeah.
9. 30:58 – 37:45

   Words, labels, and the exhaustion of political correctness debates

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:58

      (clears throat) I mean, you can't just decide it. Something that people used forever is all of a sudden racist. Like here's a weird one, and I don't know why this is. You can't say China man.

   2. JLJoe List31:12

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:12

      But you can say Englishman.

   4. JLJoe List31:14

      Hmm. I think a lot of it has to do with 'cause, uh, the Chinese were enslaved, is that right? They built the railroads.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:21

      Yep.

   6. JLJoe List31:22

      Is that something-

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      Sure. That, that probably has something to do with it. But you can say Irishman and the Irish were enslaved.

   8. JLJoe List31:26

      Ah, there you go, so that defeats that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:28

      Yeah.

   10. JLJoe List31:29

       By the way, I'm just guessing. This is not my-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       But the Irish were not enslaved here. I mean, there's s- some Ire- Irish people that came over that did indentured servitude. I'm sure actually th- now that I'm, I am reading, I did read something about, uh, Irish slaves. There w- but the, in comparison to African slaves, it's not even close.

   12. JLJoe List31:47

       Yeah.

   13. NANarrator31:48

       (coughs)

   14. JLJoe List31:48

       I don't know, uh, much about that Irish thing, but I know that, um, Black people, African American people get upset when you say, "But the Irish were enslaved."

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       Yeah. They don't, they don't wanna hear that shit.

   16. JLJoe List31:58

       All I know is they don't like that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       Yeah.

   18. JLJoe List32:00

       Yeah, they're not into that-

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       Yeah.

   20. JLJoe List32:01

       ... argument.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Yeah, it's a terrible argument. (laughs)

   22. JLJoe List32:04

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       It doesn't s- it doesn't seem like a great one.

   24. NANarrator32:08

       (coughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       There's not a lot of pictures of the Irish slaves that built America.

   26. JLJoe List32:11

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       (laughs)

   28. JLJoe List32:11

       I think a lot also came, uh, voluntarily or something. I don't, I don't know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:16

       Oh, yeah. My grandparents.

   30. JLJoe List32:17

       Yeah.
10. 37:45 – 45:28

    Boston roots, accents, and how cities shape comedians

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       (laughs) Are you from Boston?

    2. JLJoe List37:47

       I'm from Whitman, Massachusetts.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:48

       No shit?

    4. JLJoe List37:48

       But I started there. I was there for years, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:50

       Oh. I'm from Newton.

    6. JLJoe List37:52

       Oh, wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:52

       Yeah.

    8. JLJoe List37:53

       A lot of comics from Newton.

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:54

       Really?

    10. JLJoe List37:54

        Well, not a lot. Jon Fisch, I don't know if you know Jon.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:56

        No.

    12. JLJoe List37:57

        He's a New York guy.

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:58

        New York guy.

    14. JLJoe List37:58

        And then, uh, Louie.

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        Ah, yeah.

    16. JLJoe List38:00

        So it's three. But three is a lot-

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:01

        That's a lot.

    18. JLJoe List38:01

        ... to come from a relatively small town.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:03

        Newton's a weird spot. It's like a ... It's idyllic. If you go there right now, it's like, "Oh, this is beautiful. Little cute, little sweet little town."

    20. JLJoe List38:10

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:11

        When I was growing up there, it seemed like a frozen shithole. (laughs)

    22. JLJoe List38:14

        It was, I think ... I could be wrong on this. I think Newton was once labeled the safest town in America. They had gone the longest distance without a murder.

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:22

        Yeah.

    24. JLJoe List38:23

        Or like a ... I think they were basing it off murder or some crime. And then shortly after that, somebody was killed. It was like they jinxed it.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:29

        Yeah, they probably wanted to set the record.

    26. JLJoe List38:31

        Yeah, and then someone was-

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        They wanted to be the person to break it.

    28. JLJoe List38:32

        Yeah, someone was like, "Fuck that." And then they got murdered, but ...

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:35

        Yeah. It's a good place.

    30. JLJoe List38:36

        Yeah.
11. 45:28 – 58:13

    Food paranoia, carnivore diet talk, sugar math, and aging realities

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Oxalate. Yeah. You, the... Really, have you heard of a carnivore diet? You heard of that?

    2. JLJoe List45:34

       Um, sorta. I, I assume it's just meat.

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       It's just meat, just steak. There's a lot of people that do it and people with autoimmune issues have huge reactions, positive reactions.

    4. JLJoe List45:45

       Really?

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Yeah. My friend, he was having receding gum disorder, went away, and they say that that shit never goes away. Um, he lost 50 pounds. Jordan Peterson.

    6. JLJoe List45:55

       Oh, yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       You know who that is?

    8. JLJoe List45:56

       Yeah, yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       He's on that carnivore diet. He's been on it over a year. Just got his blood work tested. A lot of people are like, "You shouldn't even recommend that. It's so irresponsible." And there's arguments both ways, man. There's arguments that eating only vegetables is irresponsible 'cause large scale agriculture is like terrible for the environment. It displaces all this wildlife and animals and-

    10. JLJoe List46:15

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:15

        ... they, in most cases, they're using something to kill the weeds. In most cases, they're using glyphosate or something like that.

    12. JLJoe List46:22

        Yeah, I mean, uh, fruit to me is always like, that's healthy. And then people are like, "Oh, there's sugar and you're..."

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:27

        Yeah.

    14. JLJoe List46:27

        "Whatever."

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:28

        There's fiber. Fruit's fine.

    16. JLJoe List46:30

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:30

        There's nothing wrong with fruit. It's like everything else. If you eat too much fruit, if you eat like 10 oranges-

    18. JLJoe List46:35

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:35

        ... your body's like, "What the fuck, bro?" But like if you drink orange juice, that's not good because your body's like, "Where is all the fiber? Like what is this?"

    20. JLJoe List46:42

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:42

        "What are you doing to me? Like why are you making me drink this sugar water?"

    22. JLJoe List46:46

        Yeah. I don't-

    23. JRJoe Rogan46:46

        If you drink a, like a 12-ounce glass of orange juice, how... let's, let's guess. How many grams of sugar do you think is in a 12-ounce glass of orange juice?

    24. JLJoe List46:56

        Uh, I don't know. I'm not good with this. I would say, uh... Can you give me some scale? Like how much sugar is in a Coca-Cola?

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:03

        I wish I knew.

    26. JLJoe List47:04

        Fuck.

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:04

        I'm gonna say-

    28. JLJoe List47:05

        500?

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:05

        No, no, no. It's... Okay. Here's, here's a good scale. Like, um, like I saw one of those, um, Gatorades, but not a Gatorade. Uh, it was a smart drink that had some fucking flavor to it or something like that, you know, one of those. But it was 27 grams of sugar.

    30. JLJoe List47:21

        Okay.
12. 58:13 – 1:08:28

    Hollywood ideology, MeToo aftershocks, and comedians bypassing gatekeepers

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:13

       Well, that's what we would hope. See, this is the thing that's g- I, I hope comes out of this whole Me Too movement besides these criminals getting busted, is that it changes the whole, uh... It's like, there's a sort of a... The way thing... There's an ecosystem out here.

    2. JLJoe List58:30

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:30

       And I've seen it w- with women too. Like, there was a woman casting agent that I knew that fucked all these men and would get them parts and she was gross and she was really aggressive. She tried to fuck my buddy and she tried to... Tried to fuck two of my buddies.

    4. JLJoe List58:42

       Oh, wow.

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:42

       Yeah. And she's-

    6. JLJoe List58:43

       She sounds nice to me. I kinda like her.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:45

       She's foul.

    8. JLJoe List58:46

       All right. (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:47

       And she had bad breath. Everything's wrong.

    10. JLJoe List58:48

        Okay. All right, all right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:49

        Yeah. But-

    12. JLJoe List58:49

        I'll take your word for it.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        ... this is a long time ago. She's probably dead. She probably got HPV and she just died.

    14. JLJoe List58:54

        It didn't go away.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:54

        Yeah, it didn't go away. (laughs) But, but I mean, I've seen it. I've seen aggressive women. And it's not as many, obviously, but-

    16. JLJoe List59:01

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:01

        ... but that people would be judged on their merits because it's... And not just... See, it's not out here, uh, like, when you're a- a- acting and trying to audition, it's not s- just sexual favors. It's also political leanings and, like, they'll ask you questions about things. Everyone, everyone falls in line-

    18. JLJoe List59:21

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:21

        ... with whatever the ideology that you're supposed to adopt in order to be accepted by this community. Like, so they're, they're really looking for people to say the right things and do the right things. They want you to... Like, it's not a coincidence that everyone in Hollywood is progressive, that everyone in Hollywood, you know, is super liberal and super left wing. It's an act for a lot of them. Uh, for a good percentage of people out here, it's a fucking act.

    20. JLJoe List59:48

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:48

        It's, it's a thing that gets you attention and credit.

    22. JLJoe List59:52

        But couldn't it be part of it th- I mean, I don't disagree. But I do think a lot of people that are naturally, uh, artistic-

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:58

        Yes.

    24. JLJoe List59:58

        ... they become open-minded and then-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

        For sure.

    26. JLJoe List1:00:00

        ... they end up going to places where they're very diverse.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JLJoe List1:00:02

        And part of becoming progressive I think is meeting a lot of these people that are... You know, gay people and Muslim people-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JLJoe List1:00:09

        ... and trans people, and then you go, "Oh, these people are just like me, blah, blah, blah, I'm progressive."

Episode duration: 2:25:54