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Joe Rogan Experience #1298 - Neal Brennan

Neal Brennan is a stand-up comedian, actor, writer, director and producer. He is known for co-creating and co-writing “Chappelle’s Show” with Dave Chappelle. Check out his podcast "How Neal Feel" available on Apple Podcasts & Stitcher.

Neal BrennanguestJoe RoganhostJamie Vernonhost
May 16, 20192h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:014:15

    Laser eavesdropping, sound weapons, and the reality of high-end surveillance

    1. NB

      Let me sign my waiver.

    2. JR

      Sign the waiver, dude, bre-

    3. NB

      Before I ...

    4. JR

      We're live.

    5. NB

      Great.

    6. JR

      While you sign that sound?

    7. NB

      Great, I'm glad that people are seeing me-

    8. JR

      As Neal Brennan, sign there.

    9. NB

      ... as witne- ... Everyone will be a notary, notary public.

    10. JR

      I wonder if they can li- ... If there's, uh, software that can listen to the sound your pen is making and figure out the lines you're drawing. You know, they have, um, technology now where when people are speaking in a room with a w- with a window, that it c-

    11. NB

      That they can get rid of the window noise?

    12. JR

      They can ... No, they can tune into the vibrations of the window from the sound of your voice and pick up everything that's being said in the room.

    13. NB

      I heard that there's a Netfl- ... You ... Because before ... I mean-

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. NB

      ... Netflix doesn't give people ratings, but there's a way that they're ... You can get s- ... They can gauge reflections off of wi- ... Some weird fuckin' technology where ... And it's fairly accurate.

    16. JR

      Reflections off of windows?

    17. NB

      Ref- ... Yes, I don't ... Someone ... It ... This is secondhand, yeah.

    18. JR

      In, like, cities or something?

    19. NB

      Like, secondhand. Not ... And it's, like, s- ... I believe it's sound waves.

    20. JR

      Hmm.

    21. NB

      Um ...

    22. JR

      Oh, wow.

    23. NB

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      How the ... What are they monitoring? Jamie's got something.

    25. NB

      I have no idea. Jamie, what do you got, Jamie?

    26. JV

      We can buy this right now if you want.

    27. NB

      Jamie?

    28. JR

      Long-range laser listening device.

    29. NB

      (laughs)

    30. JV

      (laughs)

  2. 4:156:16

    Living on the cloud: trust, failure modes, and tech dependency

    1. NB

      'Cause that's what's gonna happen. The ama- ... Do you use the cloud?

    2. JR

      Yes.

    3. NB

      I- ... (sighs)

    4. JR

      I know, yeah.

    5. NB

      Like, ah-

    6. JR

      I don't use it for important stuff.

    7. NB

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      But I use it for, like, my apps.

    9. NB

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      You know, my apps are backed up in the cloud. Recordings are backed up in the cloud, sets, sets that I'm doing.

    11. NB

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Notes, notes are backed up.

    13. NB

      But there's, like, photos or video. It's just a bit like-

    14. JR

      Not much.

    15. NB

      I don't know, man.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. JV

      It gets fucking crazy.

    18. JR

      I mean, we're, we're, we're getting now into some very strange place with the cloud, with stuff being just-

    19. NB

      Yes.

    20. JR

      ... in the air and p-

    21. NB

      And the amount of trust-

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. NB

      ... it takes, uh, the presumption that we'll just never run out of energy.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. NB

      And we'll never run out of the ability to tap into the cloud. It's like, I don't ... That seems presumptiona- ... I- ... I'm not even, like a doomsday person, but I just feel like it's like the difference between h- how men dress in public and how women dr- ... Like, on a night out, women are wearing heels and guys are dressed in case they have to fight.

    26. JV

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. NB

      I'm still ... Like, we will do the thing in the mirror where we're like, "Ah!"

    29. JV

      Yeah.

    30. NB

      "I'll fucking ... (laughs) I'll fuck you up." (laughs)

  3. 6:169:35

    Catastrophe resets and digital fragility: lost civilizations to unreadable data

    1. JR

      Well, um, this guy, Graham Hancock.

    2. NB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      This guy's been on my show several times, and he was just on recently. And he's one of the main proponents of this theory that something somewhere around 12,800 years ago hit the Earth and fucked up everything, and probably reset civilization, killed off the vast majority of us.

    4. NB

      12,000 years ago.

    5. JR

      12,800 years-

    6. NB

      That's not that long ago.

    7. JR

      Not, not that-

    8. NB

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... long ago at all.

    10. NB

      No.

    11. JR

      It corresponds with the end of the Ice Age. There's a lot of physical evidence for it. And increasingly, we're seeing, um, more and more evidence in terms of, um, ancient cultures that existed far before tw-, uh, 12,800 years ago that they really didn't understand. That, they thought people were just hunter-gatherers back then, and now they're finding evidence of things like ... There's a place called Göbekli Tepe, which is a giant ... These huge m- monolithic structures that are made out of stone, carved, and like huge columns-

    12. NB

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... yeah, that, that don't seem like they were made by hunter-gatherers. It seems like there was probably some sort of a lost civilization. And they know that this all happened somewhere around that time, somewhere around 12,000 years ago. So, um, it can happen again. And if it does happen again, all our stuff is on digital now, which is even weirder. It's, it's weirder than books, right? We have books, but the vast majority of most of the data that we all keep and share, we share on phones and on computers.

    14. NB

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And we can't read it. We can't read it without com- programs.

    16. NB

      I don't know the first-

    17. JR

      Without software.

    18. NB

      ... thing about com- Um, do you know what I mean?

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. NB

      Like, I don't know anything about ... I was, I was talking last night, like, I don't know much about my, the different- the, uh, the level of education women have about their reproductive organs versus men.

    21. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    22. NB

      Like, my, my balls, I know about my balls. (laughs) I know that the medical term is testicles.

    23. JR

      Hmm. Testes.

    24. NB

      That's about it, Joe.

    25. JR

      You don't get them hot.

    26. NB

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      If you get them hot, it's bad.

    28. NB

      Yeah. Again, that's like, that's like a child's (laughs) -

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. NB

      Do you know what I mean? (laughs)

  4. 9:3512:32

    Sex, stigma, and comedy: Gerard ‘coming out a little’ and why it’s (not) a big deal

    1. NB

      Did you, uh, speaking of that, uh, did you see the thing about Gerard?

    2. JR

      No.

    3. NB

      The, I don't, if, if you wanna bring it up.

    4. JR

      What?

    5. NB

      But he basically came out a little on HBO.

    6. JR

      Came out a little.

    7. NB

      Came out a little to his mom, said, "I've had, uh, sexual experiences with men."

    8. JR

      Uh-oh.

    9. NB

      Um, and, uh, it's, uh, it's just like, all right. (laughs)

    10. JR

      Was she cool with it?

    11. NB

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Well, that's good.

    13. NB

      She was cool with it.

    14. JR

      All right. Well, there you go.

    15. NB

      Yeah. That, that's the thing. It ... When I ... People are like, "What do you think?" I'm like, "I don't ..."

    16. JR

      (coughs)

    17. NB

      That ... Sexual preference at this point to me is about as interesting as like your workout regimen. Like, I just don't care.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. NB

      Like, what are you doing? There you go. Cool.

    20. JR

      You know what I care about? Are you funny?

    21. NB

      Are you funny and are you cool?

    22. JR

      Yeah. Cool. Perfect, perfect.

    23. NB

      And, and like do we have shit to talk about?

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. NB

      Great.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. NB

      Uh, I don't, I couldn't care less whose, what type of hand you like jerking off. You know what I mean? Like-

    28. JR

      I think it's an advantage-

    29. NB

      ... what kind of mouth.

    30. JR

      ... with some guys with ... Like Tim Dillon, I think it's an advantage with his act that he's gay.

  5. 12:3217:34

    Pitching a gay action blockbuster: Cruise/Travolta, audience buy-in, and double standards

    1. NB

      You know what would be a hilarious movie idea? A gay couple, T- Tom Cruise and, uh-

    2. JR

      John Travolta.

    3. NB

      ... John Travolta. John Travolta gets kidnapped-

    4. JR

      (gasps)

    5. NB

      ... and gay Tom Cruise has to save his gay husband, John Travolta. And, but other than that, it's a real action movie.

    6. JR

      Wow.

    7. NB

      It's just gay. (laughs)

    8. JR

      I like it.

    9. NB

      It... Wouldn't that be fucking cool?

    10. JR

      I like it.

    11. NB

      Like, just a straight ga-... If anyone out there's a screenwriter, th- have at it, 'cause I'm never gonna write it.

    12. JR

      Do you think... Would that fly? Would people enjoy that?

    13. NB

      I think-

    14. JR

      Like, if it was really good, like John Wick style.

    15. NB

      I think it would. I really think it would. If it was... If the guy just ki-... It's not like gay guys are, like, effete and offe-... You know, I know plenty of, like, rough gay guys that'll whoop your ass. Like-

    16. JR

      Bears, bro.

    17. NB

      Bears, bro. Grr.

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. NB

      They got, (laughs) they got their own growl. Uh, that's how fucking bad these guys are. Uh, but-

    20. JR

      Yeah, I think it could work.

    21. NB

      ... to really... It would be fucking so cool.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. NB

      Like, and you just go, "Yeah." 'Cause that's how I feel with someone like Gerard coming out. I'm like, "I don't ca-... Okay."

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. NB

      I don't... It's never come up. We've, we've been good friends for a decade. Just never came up.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. NB

      Like, it ju-... He didn't seem that interested in women, but I do- also don't think he's not interested. He's just maybe a little eh.

    28. JR

      There's definitely a spectrum, right?

    29. NB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      And some people are just uh.

  6. 17:3419:23

    Comedy club culture wars: The Comedy Cellar, Louis CK backlash, and scandal fatigue

    1. JR

      Dude, I hear that the h- The Comedy Cellar is, like, seriously has a social justice warrior infestation. Like, they need to, like, spray the place.

    2. NB

      Oh, I don't... I mean, when I've been there, it hasn't been like that.

    3. JR

      That's why we're here.

    4. NB

      But I mean, they've been... There have been people writing about it. There have been w-... I mean, it's like The Comedy Cellar is, like, the main hub of culture now.

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. NB

      It's like-

    7. JR

      It's the main hub of wokeness?

    8. NB

      Yeah, I mean, it... But it's also, like, the, the main battlefield of wokeness-

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. NB

      ... where it's like, "Louie came and there were protesters."

    11. JR

      Ah.

    12. NB

      "And then I couldn't sit at the table." And I... Because-

    13. JR

      Fuck you.

    14. NB

      And it's like, all right. I mean...

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. NB

      I don't think it's-

    17. JR

      Pull your dick out.

    18. NB

      Yeah, exactly.

    19. JR

      Some girl told Lo- Louie to pull her dick out and she was a hero. I was, I was tw- quoting all these tweets, uh, that were-

    20. NB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... talking about it and articles that were written. Hero. She was heroic.

    22. NB

      I think-

    23. JR

      Okay.

    24. NB

      ... that, I think, someone sent me a Louis article today, I think there's just fatigue at this point.

    25. JR

      Yes.

    26. NB

      I think people are just, like, t- like, "What's he..." I don't, yeah, okay.

    27. JR

      Like, try to find a new Stormy Daniels article.

    28. NB

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Everybody's, like, "Enough."

    30. NB

      Yeah.

  7. 19:2326:08

    Alabama abortion law: backlash dynamics, moral discomfort, and honest nuance

    1. JR

      What happened yesterday? There was a new abortion ruling, was it in Alabama?

    2. NB

      Yes.

    3. JR

      That, that literally-

    4. NB

      It's basically-

    5. JR

      ... outlawed.

    6. NB

      ... outlawed. I-

    7. JR

      Wow.

    8. NB

      ... personally believe it's gonna backfire.

    9. JR

      You think so?

    10. NB

      Yeah, 'cause I think people... The thing that, that's always been true is Republicans were against, uh, abortion, and they would go like, "We..." And they never got to repeal it. Right?

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. NA

      Right.

    13. NB

      I think they're gonna repeal it, and then people are gonna go like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is crazy." If you don't want to get abortions, fine, but you can't, uh, change a law based on, a lot of times not even a plurality of, of, uh, you know, like, in general elections, like in the general presidential election. Like, it's not even the majority of the country that elects the president now.

    14. JR

      What did, who voted, was this something that the people of Alabama voted on?

    15. NB

      The, no, it's the, it's the, the government, like the, the state legislature.

    16. JR

      (inhales sharply) That is a slippery slope.

    17. NB

      Yeah.

    18. NA

      Oh, man.

    19. NB

      And it's like you're going, you're doing 99 years in jail if you get an ab- if you give an abortion or-

    20. JR

      Really?

    21. NB

      ... get one, yeah.

    22. JR

      That's what it is now?

    23. NB

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Holy shit.

    25. NB

      That's what it's gonna, that's the law that they passed. I just personally believe that... I mean, I'm obviously hopeful, but it's a bit like, nah, that's too far. It's a bit like when they made Clinton testify and people were like, "Ah." That was too, that was like the, the, the, the too, too far of, uh, the, a line was crossed-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. NB

      ... when they made Clinton testify about her sex life, and it was like, mm, we don't like that. We understand that you wanted to rebuke the guy-

    28. NA

      (coughs)

    29. NB

      ... but don't make the pres- And I feel like, I'm hoping, and I believe it's true, uh, that it will be too far a field for moderate people.

    30. JR

      (lips smack) I hope you're right.

  8. 26:0833:40

    Why Rogan books ‘cranks’: platforming, Ben Shapiro, and the case against deplatforming

    1. NB

      Uh, here's what I wanna talk about with you. The idea, 'cause whenever I tell people we're friends or that I go on your show, they're like, "How can you?" I'm like, first of all, 'cause you're a fucking good dude and have been a good dude for 27 years that I know of, to me. Um-

    2. JR

      Thank you.

    3. NB

      It doesn't mean you're always good, but whatever, you're always a good dude to me.

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. NB

      Every time I say ... Whatever, I don't fucking know your life. I don't know what you do outside of fucking Encino. Uh, the, uh ... And now the next question becomes, why do you have cranks on, or what people would consider cranks on the show? And you and I have talked about this a little bit off the show. Explain, because you are basically liberal.

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. NB

      But you believe in having hardcore right wing people on because you like them personally or you like, you believe it's worth-

    8. JR

      Some of them I like personally, some of them it's worth having a conversation. Like, (coughs) Ben Shapiro is one that I had a long conversation with. He's one of the more controversial guys that I have on.

    9. NB

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      Where people get upset at me and call me an alt-righter.

    11. NB

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Which meanwhile, he's been attacked by the alt-right. You know, they, they've, I mean, he wears a yarmulke for Christ's sake.

    13. NB

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      He's not alt-right, he's not a white supremacist by any stretch of the imagination. He was the number one target for anti-Semitic remarks in the entire world-

    15. NB

      'Cause he's a Jew.

    16. JR

      ... in 2016. Well, he's, that, there's that.

    17. NB

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      There's definitely that.

    19. NB

      Look at him, he's a Jew!

    20. JR

      But we had a d- an in-depth conversation, a very long one, about gay people.

    21. NB

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      'Cause he's really-

    23. NB

      I saw a little bit of it-

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. NB

      ... where he was like, he kinda didn't, he kinda got a little lost.

    26. JR

      Well, yeah, because it doesn't ... Well, he had two different take ... Here's, like, David Pakman, uh, had a, an interesting take on it. Pakman said that if you look at his explanation, 'cause I asked him a couple things. I'm like, "Do you really believe that Moses parted the Red Sea?" And he said, "I would look for more naturalistic explanation for that." But then when I w- talked to him about gay people and gay things, he wasn't-

    27. NB

      And it was absolute?

    28. JR

      ... interested in a naturalistic-

    29. NB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... explanation. And he also wasn't interested in giving people the ability to do whatever they want. He felt like you're n- you're supposed to resist that. And his take is that, like you, you have an urge to murder people but you don't do it because you're a good person, and you should do the same thing with being gay. And I was like, "Wow, that's a crazy, that's crazy mental gymnastics." So-

  9. 33:4040:45

    Clickbait economics and collapsing trust: what journalism gets wrong and why it matters

    1. JR

      Yeah. What it is is, uh, the media right now, especially journalism, they're fucking starving for hits.

    2. NB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      It's so hard to make money. It's so hard.

    4. NB

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      And so they're drowning.

    6. NB

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And so they're trying to grab whatever branches they can.

    8. NB

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      If they gotta make a good story with a clickbaity title, (snaps fingers) fuck it.

    10. NB

      Fine.

    11. JR

      They'll have that deceptive title. Who gives a shit?

    12. NB

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      We- we got a good story, the story's vetted.

    14. NB

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And even if it's not totally vetted, if it's a little slippery, but that you can make an amendment later, you know, "I'm sorry-

    16. NB

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... we have a little bit of an apology, you know, we have to make a retraction."

    18. NB

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Nobody reads those goddamn retractions.

    20. NB

      No.

    21. JR

      I mean, you should have to have a retract- if you- if you fuck up so hardcore that you attribute a crime to someone or you do something like that and you-

    22. NB

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... have to make a re- retraction, it should be on the front page of your paper and nothing else for a month.

    24. NB

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Like ev- for- that's it. This is your newspaper now.

    26. NB

      Yeah, walk the plank.

    27. JR

      "I'm sorry-

    28. NB

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... we don't get to tell you the news anymore."

    30. NB

      Yeah, by the way.

  10. 40:4553:59

    Climate dread to survival logistics: where to go when things collapse

    1. NB

      And then there's always global warming and you're like, "Oh fuck."

    2. JR

      Ah.

    3. NB

      "Fuck."

    4. JR

      Did you see f- uh, fucking, the science guy, Bill Nye, going crazy, screaming and swearing-

    5. NB

      He was on an elevator or something? Or he...

    6. JR

      Yeah. The planet's on fucking fire and-

    7. NB

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      ... just getting a little silly.

    9. NB

      Yeah, no, no, no.

    10. JR

      Like, bro, we're all right. Go to Antarctica.

    11. NB

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      (laughs) Planet's not on fire, bro.

    13. NB

      Uh, no, I saw a thing that Antarctica was like 84 degrees.

    14. JR

      Oh my God, it's on fire.

    15. NB

      I mean, yeah. I-

    16. JR

      Is it really? Do you really see something that says Antarctica was 84 degrees?

    17. NB

      Uh, yeah, something in the Arctic Circle's 84 degrees, like, three days ago.

    18. JR

      What the fuck is that? What the fuck?

    19. NB

      It's gonna be a, it's gonna be... Do you ever think about, like...

    20. JR

      Global warming?

    21. NB

      ... re- but really what it will look like, like-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. NB

      ... in 70 years, what it will do to the art, like... And I'm not talking about just Miami's gone or any... That's, like, incredibly, like, crazy to think about. It's, like, unfathomable.

    24. JR

      It's not just that. Those Miami people, they're gonna move other places-

    25. NB

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      ... and ruin them.

    27. NB

      That's probably the biggest, that's my biggest worry.

    28. JR

      (laughs) Everywhere he goes, it's gonna be Lamborghinis and-

    29. NB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... dudes yelling at girls in Spanish.

  11. 53:591:38:12

    Arenas, comedy scale, and podcasting as a culture engine (and ownership revolution)

    1. NB

      Oh, you know what I haven't talked to you about?

    2. JR

      What?

    3. NB

      The, uh, doing these big venues.

    4. JR

      Oh, arenas, yeah.

    5. NB

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      It's weird.

    7. NB

      How do you like it?

    8. JR

      It's fun, man. San Diego was a lot of fun. It's, um, it's strange though. It's a lotta goddamn people.

    9. NB

      Does it feel, like, disconnected?

    10. JR

      No. No, it didn't, surprisingly. San Diego's interesting, like, the people that were in the front, they were right there, man. It was like a store.

    11. NB

      How many is it? 7,000?

    12. JR

      No, San Diego was 12 something, almost 13.

    13. NB

      Thousand?

    14. JR

      Close to 13,000, yeah.

    15. NB

      It's unbelievable.

    16. JR

      Yeah, it's a lotta people.

    17. NB

      And it was in the round?

    18. JR

      (yawns) Yeah. That was weird too.

    19. NB

      And did you have a plan?

    20. JR

      Nope.

    21. NB

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. NB

      But (laughs) you know, 'cause like, do you fee-

    24. JR

      I did a lot of sets.

    25. NB

      I guess you can't really think about ... You can't worry about the people that are behind you.

    26. JR

      You can't. You gotta ... Well, they have giant screens everywhere.

    27. NB

      Right.

    28. JR

      So you get, everybody got to see you. Um-... I, I definitely was aware of the magnitude of the show, and I did a lot of sets that week. I did like eight, nine sets-

    29. NB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... that week before I did it. Like long sets.

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