Joe Rogan Experience #1301- Laird Hamilton

1. 0:02 – 2:07

   Turmeric coffee, gut health, and what cravings really mean

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      And we're live. How are you, sir? What's going on, man?

   2. LHLaird Hamilton0:05

      Very well, thank you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      First of all, thank you very much for the coffee machine, and this o- I just learned that it's turmeric. I used to say tumeric. I used to not even think there was an R in there for some strange reason.

   4. LHLaird Hamilton0:16

      Well, in Hawaii, it's olena. So it just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Oh, really?

   6. LHLaird Hamilton0:18

      ... depends on which country you're in. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      It's a diff- what does, what does, what is it? It's a root, right?

   8. LHLaird Hamilton0:22

      Yeah. It's in the ginger family.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      And is it, uh, why do they call it olena? Is that a Polynesian word for it?

   10. LHLaird Hamilton0:26

       It's just a Hawaiian name. I mean, the Indians probably have another.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh.

   12. LHLaird Hamilton0:30

       You know, in India, it's probably one of the most used, uh, you know, u- roots. They, it's in every, all Indian food is just full of it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah. It's really healthy for you, right? It's great for inflammation.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton0:42

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Just-

   16. LHLaird Hamilton0:42

       And, well, gut health too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Mm. So you, uh, gave me this-

   18. LHLaird Hamilton0:47

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... layered superfoods coffee machine, and I'm addicted to this now, this coffee with turmeric. I've never had it before.

   20. LHLaird Hamilton0:54

       Well, there's some other minerals and stuff in there too.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Mm-hmm.

   22. LHLaird Hamilton0:56

       So if you're addicted to it, it's 'cause there's things that are good for you.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Yeah, like, I crave it.

   24. LHLaird Hamilton1:00

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Like, it seems-

   26. LHLaird Hamilton1:01

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... like something I should be drinking.

   28. LHLaird Hamilton1:01

       Well, your body wants it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Yeah.

   30. LHLaird Hamilton1:03

       You know, I think sometimes people think cravings are based on negative, like "Oh, I just, it's bad 'cause I crave it." But I think cravings are natural. I think when, but it's, you know, we abuse it when we use garbage, but-
2. 2:07 – 4:54

   Heat and cold as training: 220° sauna, ice baths, and pushing adaptation

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:07

      Like, it's like right away, I'm like, "Oh, I gotta eat something." Yeah. Um, so you've got me cranking the sauna up. Uh, your wife told me that you crank yours up to 220 degrees. Is that real?

   2. LHLaird Hamilton2:18

      That's real.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      Goddamn, man, I get to 210, I'm like, this is... How long do you do at 220?

   4. LHLaird Hamilton2:23

      Well, it depends on how, how cold you go into it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      Oh, okay.

   6. LHLaird Hamilton2:27

      So if you're, if your body, if your core temperature's way down, you can... You know, if you, if you got off a stationary bike and your core was nice and hot and you went in there, y- you know, you'd be lucky to get 10 or f- 10 or 15 minutes out.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      Right.

   8. LHLaird Hamilton2:40

      If you come out of a ice tub or you've been outside with minimal clothing, you could go in there and for 20 minutes at 220. So it just depends on, you know, where your, what your core t- you know, where your core is.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:53

      Is that how you do it? You do from an ice bath?

   10. LHLaird Hamilton2:56

       I will do it from an ice bath. It just, you know, I think you just break it up. It's just like anything, any kind of training. You just wanna constantly stress the system, and if you're used to a certain pattern, you know, go into it hot, like if you go into a sauna hot coming off of some cardio, that, it's twice as hot. If you go in cold, then you can go for a longer period of time. And same with the ice. I mean, if you go into the ice cold, the ice will tap you. If you go in hot, you can be there. So...

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       Yeah, they're doing some studies now on hot yoga out of Harvard. They're trying to figure out if hot yoga mimics the positive health effects of sauna. And so the idea is that, you know, because you're straining and resisting, it's mu- it feels much hotter than 104 degrees. If you had a sauna-

   12. LHLaird Hamilton3:38

       For sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       ... that was 104, 105 degrees, it'd be nothing.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton3:40

       For sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       But yoga at 105 degrees is pretty rough.

   16. LHLaird Hamilton3:43

       Rough.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Yeah.

   18. LHLaird Hamilton3:44

       Well, because again, core temperature is hot.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       Yeah.

   20. LHLaird Hamilton3:46

       So we do some stationary bikes in the sauna.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Oh, wow.

   22. LHLaird Hamilton3:49

       And that, I mean, that's just a, it's like you can always up the ante, you know, it's like a weight stack. You just slap more l- lead on there. And, uh, we'll do, we'll do, we'll go in this, with an assault bike.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Mm-hmm.

   24. LHLaird Hamilton4:01

       I have an assault bike in one of the saunas.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Oh, Jesus.

   26. LHLaird Hamilton4:02

       And we'll crank that thing up and... You know, I mean, and you're lucky if you might be five or 10 minutes in your, your... But I think, you know, we're such good adapters, or our da-, you know, our adaptation is amazing. And you do some stuff for a while, I think you do, pretty soon you're like, "Oh, I can handle a, you know, an assault bike at a, at a survivable pace." You know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Yeah, survivable. That's a rough machine.

   28. LHLaird Hamilton4:26

       Rough machine.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       I have the rogue version, the Echo Bike.

   30. LHLaird Hamilton4:29

       Yeah.
3. 4:54 – 8:24

   Assault bikes in the sauna and the case for nose breathing

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      You were explaining nose breathing to me out there.

   2. LHLaird Hamilton4:56

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      How nose breathing is better?

   4. LHLaird Hamilton4:59

      Better for you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:00

      Because of?

   6. LHLaird Hamilton5:01

      Well, first of all, you were designed to breathe, your sinuses and your nose were designed for breathing. And so you actually emit a gas in your sinuses, from my understanding, a gas called nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator. It helps you absorb oxygen. So by breathing through your nose, plus you reduce the, uh, amount of intake that you have.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:21

      Mm-hmm.

   8. LHLaird Hamilton5:21

      And that gets you CO₂ tolerant. So all of a sudden you're, you're breathing less volume. I mean, you know from the fight game, as soon as a guy goes to mouth breathing, you're like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      He's toast.

   10. LHLaird Hamilton5:31

       ... he's toast.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Yeah.

   12. LHLaird Hamilton5:31

       You know that, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       Yeah.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton5:32

       That's your first giveaway.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Yeah.

   16. LHLaird Hamilton5:33

       So your ability to deal with stress and breathe through your nose. I mean, everybody should bre- be breathing through their nose in their sleep, walking around. I mean, we, somehow we became mouth breathers in the last-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Mm-hmm.

   18. LHLaird Hamilton5:46

       ... 200 years, and they're not sure why. There's a great book called The Oxygen Advantage, uh, by Patrick McDougall that, uh, he actually is on our board of XPT, but he, he, you know, kind of realized that our issues really stem from mouth breathing, chronic-... uh, mouth breathing, which is scrubbing our CO2 and keeping our CO2 levels down, which is the marker to absorb oxygen.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Mm-hmm.

   20. LHLaird Hamilton6:09

       So when your CO2 levels are down, you don't absorb the oxygen from your bloodstream. The cells don't take it. As soon as the CO2 goes up, then the, then the body starts to pull it out of the blood.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Interesting. So smaller amounts by breathing through the nose actually makes you absorb more oxygen?

   22. LHLaird Hamilton6:25

       Well, keeps your tolerance and-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Keeps your tolerance.

   24. LHLaird Hamilton6:26

       Yeah. But definitely, g- gets your CO2 tolerant up, but the smaller volume helps your body become more tolerant of higher levels of CO2. But the no-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Oh.

   26. LHLaird Hamilton6:35

       ... the sinuses themselves emit a gas that helps the lung absorb the oxygen is... And that's, you know, that's what I've been led to understand.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       I- I had a broken nose until I was 40. My nose was useless. I couldn't get anything out of it. It w- it had been broken like, who knows how many times.

   28. LHLaird Hamilton6:50

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       And it was all, the inside was all caked up with scar tissue and calcified. And when I got it fixed, it was like the world changed. It was like (inhales) ah. I couldn't do that. I just couldn't breathe out of my nose.

   30. LHLaird Hamilton7:01

       Yeah.
4. 8:24 – 10:48

   Addicted to discomfort: why we crave sauna, ice, and hard training

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:24

      Yeah. It's, and it's interesting you're talking about cravings, because one of the things that I've noticed since I've been... I cranked up the t- the, the temperature in the sauna for the first week to 200 degrees, then I've been doing 210 for the last few days, and, uh, you crave it now. I crave it. Like, when I'm at home, I'm like, "I can't wait to get back in that goddamn sauna again." Meanwhile, when I'm in there, I can't wait to get out. (laughs)

   2. LHLaird Hamilton8:44

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:44

      It's weird.

   4. LHLaird Hamilton8:45

      There, within lies the struggle.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      Yeah.

   6. LHLaird Hamilton8:47

      I, I mean, ice is the same way. Like, I have an addiction to ice and I've, you know, uh, recently, I've been... just came back from Hawaii and I'm, like, dealing with this... My ice machine's broken down, I'm waiting for the new one. I keep calling the guy and going, "Hey, when are you gonna put the thing in?" And he's thinking it's like a luxury, like, "Yeah, you're gonna... You gotta... What do you need an ice machine at your house for?" I mean, 'cause I have a, two, like, restaurant-sized ones. And-

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:07

      Two of them?

   8. LHLaird Hamilton9:07

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:08

      (laughs)

   10. LHLaird Hamilton9:08

       And... Well, I have a lot of friends. Uh, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       (laughs)

   12. LHLaird Hamilton9:11

       ... but h- but he's like, "What do you need that for?" And I'm like, "Uh, uh..." Like, just, just get... You know, he's got the tubs. I'm like, um, I need-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       Yeah.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton9:16

       But I... My body craves... You get it... Listen, your body is just craving the things that are bringing the hormones and doing... I mean, it's like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Ah.

   16. LHLaird Hamilton9:24

       ... why you crave exercise, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:26

       Mm-hmm.

   18. LHLaird Hamilton9:26

       I have a theory that the reason why people are hooked to cardio activity is because it's forced breathing. That people... Because you wouldn't willingly just sit on your floor and breathe heavy for an hour.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       Right.

   20. LHLaird Hamilton9:36

       So your body's like, "Okay, let's go for a run. Like, let's go. You need to run. You better run. You better run." And then you go run and, and then the body gets that absorption of o- uh, gets that, uh, oxygen-

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       Mm-hmm.

   22. LHLaird Hamilton9:45

       ... that it really wants.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       The feel... I feel like there's probably several factors, 'cause also I feel like when I'm really consistent with my workouts, I know that I'm gaining momentum, and I know like, "Ah, y- you know, I'm consistent. Everything's going great. I'm in great shape right now. I gotta keep pushing this."

   24. LHLaird Hamilton10:00

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       That feels like... It's, it feels like a, like just the, just positive results are being achieved and you sort of get addicted to success.

   26. LHLaird Hamilton10:07

       Well, and, and, uh, but also too, the body, uh, the adaptation, if you ever put yourself under some real severe stress in multiple days, the first day you feel like you're not gonna be able to make it, the second day you're feeling, you know, like you can't, really can't make it, the third, pretty soon the fourth day, the body's like, "Oh, this is the new house we're living in?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       Oh.

   28. LHLaird Hamilton10:24

       "Like, this is where we're at?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Yeah.

   30. LHLaird Hamilton10:25

       "Okay, well, we're gonna adapt and modify," and then pretty soon you're doing even more you were, than you were doing the first couple of days-
5. 10:48 – 13:56

   Endurance outliers and human persistence: marathons, fighting, and breathing advantages

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:48

      Yeah. (laughs) Yeah, unless we want to. Um, do you, you know who Eddie Izzard is?

   2. LHLaird Hamilton10:52

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:52

      The comedian?

   4. LHLaird Hamilton10:53

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      Yeah.

   6. LHLaird Hamilton10:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:54

      He, he ran a series in marathons-

   8. LHLaird Hamilton10:56

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:56

      ... all around the UK.

   10. LHLaird Hamilton10:57

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       And then he did one in South Africa.

   12. LHLaird Hamilton10:58

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       And he was on the- two weeks ago and he was telling me that when you first started doing it, like, the first few were really hard, but then your body's like, "Well, this is what we do. We run marathons." And then like day three, day four, things started picking up, day five, and by the time day 10 came along, he's just running.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton11:14

       For sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       Yeah.

   16. LHLaird Hamilton11:15

       For sure. I got a friend, ran 125 in a row, and then he ran the Boston after that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Shi... (laughs)

   18. LHLaird Hamilton11:21

       And then he had a fight in Vegas and he ran a marathon in the morning, and then he, like, knocked the guy out in the third round and after. I mean, he's just... He's- He's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       He ran a marathon in the morning and then fought that day? Holy shit. That's a... Who is this?

   20. LHLaird Hamilton11:33

       Tom, Tom Jones. Yeah, Muay Thai, seven-time Muay Thai world champion.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       Jesus Christ, Tom Jones.

   22. LHLaird Hamilton11:38

       Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       What the fuck, man? You run a marathon the day you fight?

   24. LHLaird Hamilton11:41

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Imagine if a dude knocked you out after you run a marathon.

   26. LHLaird Hamilton11:44

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       I'd be like, "That's... I'm done. This is not me."

   28. LHLaird Hamilton11:47

       Yeah.

   29. NANarrator11:47

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       "I'm gonna learn how to play golf."
6. 13:56 – 20:27

   Aging without ‘settling down’: examples, mindset, and the necessity of struggle

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      That's interesting. Well, I'm- I'm always very appreciative of guys like you that are in my age range.

   2. LHLaird Hamilton14:02

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:02

      You're- you're 55, right?

   4. LHLaird Hamilton14:03

      (laughs) Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      I'm 51. Speed limit.

   6. LHLaird Hamilton14:05

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:05

      Yeah, it's like- Speed limit. (laughs) ... you're, but you're also very fit and very active and you keep going, whereas a lotta guys around 55, like it's a wrap. Turn off the car. Yeah. Yeah. It's, there's not much in the tank and so- Yeah. ... I like to see guys that are in my a- age bracket- Yeah. ... or a little bit ahead of me, like, "Oh, he's going." Going. "I can keep going too." Full, full speed. And I think a lotta that is just thinking and knowing that you can because I think so many people f- feel like, "Hey, I'm 45. It's time to settle down. It's time to relax-" Yeah. "... and, you know, and wind down this exercise," you know?

   8. LHLaird Hamilton14:38

      Uh, but, you know, I- I think, but I l- I think that people use that as dis- a disclaimer-

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Mm-hmm.

   10. LHLaird Hamilton14:42

       ... to not do the work.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       That's what I'm thinking.

   12. LHLaird Hamilton14:43

       It's like, "Now I'm 45 so now I don't-"

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:45

       Yeah.

   14. LHLaird Hamilton14:45

       "... now I don't ... I'm too old."

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:47

       Yeah.

   16. LHLaird Hamilton14:47

       Right? That just, that, for me, I l- I- I think that's a way out.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       Mm-hmm.

   18. LHLaird Hamilton14:50

       Right? That's a way to go, "Hey, I don't wanna do the work anymore." And, you know, I have, uh, my f- uh, one of my best friends just passed this last year and he was 85 when he passed and, uh, and he was cr- I mean, he did the Ironman 10 times. The first time was hi- when he was 50, um, and then he's done the Race Across America three times. I mean, he does just... He was just an animal. Bang iron every day, ride the bike, just, just, uh ...

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       At 85 he was doing all that still?

   20. LHLaird Hamilton15:14

       An animal.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       (laughs)

   22. LHLaird Hamilton15:16

       An animal till the day he died. It was like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Wow.

   24. LHLaird Hamilton15:18

       ... and- and his name was, and this is, the irony was is his name was Don Wildman. And so-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       (laughs)

   26. LHLaird Hamilton15:23

       ... like, that's his given name. No, I'm serious. That's his-

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       That's amazing. (laughs)

   28. LHLaird Hamilton15:26

       His given name. I go, "Anybody named the Wildman's gotta keep it up." But he was, you know, like you're talking about, uh, when you can see it, right? When you can, what does it look like when I see ... I mean, you look at ... It's interesting to see in sports right now. We have a lotta athletes right now that are operating as th- they're the oldest that, you know, that they-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Yeah.

   30. LHLaird Hamilton15:43

       ... that we've seen and, uh, uh, I believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that- that, uh, you know, that they've s- have some examples but they're also not ta- accepting that, "Hey, now you're too old." Like, that's-
7. 20:27 – 48:56

   Movement, sleep, and mental health: why modern life dysregulates us

   1. LHLaird Hamilton20:27

      And y- I can promise you, you'll, you'll, you'll sleep better.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:30

      Oh, yeah.

   3. LHLaird Hamilton20:30

      Like, everybody... We have a lot of sleeping issues right now.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:33

      Mm-hmm.

   5. LHLaird Hamilton20:33

      And I, I, I'm just like, "Well, people aren't tired enough."

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:36

      Yeah.

   7. LHLaird Hamilton20:36

      Like, my daughter was like, "Oh, yeah, you know, I'm having a hard time sleeping," and now she's been banging tennis balls seven hours a day. And I'll tell you, she doesn't have a problem sleeping now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:43

      Right, exactly.

   9. LHLaird Hamilton20:43

      Like, she's sleeping real well. I'm like, "Yeah." And, and, and I... You know, I, I think that a lot of it's just a lack of movement.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:50

       I think so too.

   11. LHLaird Hamilton20:50

       We're just... We just stop moving.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:51

       Yeah, and then your brain races because your body is not getting exhausted. So you develop all this anxiety and all this weirdness. Hunter-gatherers did not have the need for Ambien.

   13. LHLaird Hamilton21:02

       I guarantee it. Yeah, there was...

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       Yeah, there is no... It is-

   15. LHLaird Hamilton21:04

       There was no melatonin.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:06

       (laughs) There was no need. (laughs)

   17. LHLaird Hamilton21:07

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Yeah.

   19. LHLaird Hamilton21:08

       The melatonin was, was, you know, created in their retina from staring at the sun in the early morning light.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Mm-hmm.

   21. LHLaird Hamilton21:13

       I mean, that's... They were up.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:15

       Right.

   23. LHLaird Hamilton21:15

       They were moving, and they were up early, and they were, and they were, and they were going until dark. And then at dark, it was time to lay down, and then you just did that, and you were not... Sleep issues weren't a problem back then.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       It's in- it's interesting, I'm learning from my dog. Because my dog is up first thing in the morning when the sun is up-

   25. LHLaird Hamilton21:31

       He's the king.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       ... and then when, when there's... It starts getting dark out, once he eats, man, he's just laying down. He's like, "What's up?"

   27. LHLaird Hamilton21:37

       Oh. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       "I'm just chilling over here."

   29. LHLaird Hamilton21:38

       Oh, yeah. Well, and I, I'm, uh, constantly studying my dog. I would've brought him, but he's getting his nails done today.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       (laughs)
8. 48:56 – 1:11:21

   Hawaii’s ‘mana,’ ocean psychology, and why cities feel unnatural

   1. JRJoe Rogan48:56

      (laughs) yeah. Keep it... How long have you been living in Hawaii?

   2. LHLaird Hamilton49:00

      Uh, well, my mom took me from San Francisco when I was six months old.

   3. JRJoe Rogan49:03

      Whoa.

   4. LHLaird Hamilton49:04

      So...

   5. JRJoe Rogan49:05

      Wow.

   6. LHLaird Hamilton49:06

      Pretty much, it was only a technicality wha- that I wasn't born there, which actually worked against me 'cause, you know, when you're not born then... When you're not born there, then you're not from there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan49:16

      Right, the locals.

   8. LHLaird Hamilton49:16

      So they're like, "Oh, you're not born here."

   9. JRJoe Rogan49:17

      Right, yeah.

   10. LHLaird Hamilton49:18

       And you're like, "Oh yeah, but I, I've been here since I was, you know, since I can remember." So let's just put it that way.

   11. JRJoe Rogan49:23

       Right, that's interesting.

   12. LHLaird Hamilton49:23

       But my memory actually worked.

   13. JRJoe Rogan49:24

       They still hold it against you, the six months that you weren't there?

   14. LHLaird Hamilton49:26

       Oh yeah, oh yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan49:27

       "We missed you, bro."

   16. LHLaird Hamilton49:28

       Oh yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       "Six months, where were you?"

   18. LHLaird Hamilton49:29

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. You weren't-

   19. JRJoe Rogan49:30

       Shitting your pants. (laughs)

   20. LHLaird Hamilton49:30

       You didn't come out of your mother's here in this-

   21. JRJoe Rogan49:33

       Yeah.

   22. LHLaird Hamilton49:33

       ... in this state, but...

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:34

       Yeah.

   24. LHLaird Hamilton49:34

       But yeah, since I was a little kid, I mean, I, I, my mom took me, uh, I was born in San Francisco and she took me when I was a few months old.

   25. JRJoe Rogan49:41

       I have a theory about people from Hawaii. There's a groundedness that they seem to exhibit that is universal. It's almost you, you, you very rarely find completely frivolous, like, d- dopey people that live in Hawaii.

   26. LHLaird Hamilton49:54

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan49:54

       They, they're not... Well, I mean-

   28. LHLaird Hamilton49:56

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan49:56

       ... I'm sure you find some people that are not that smart, but you, there's a groundedness-

   30. LHLaird Hamilton50:01

       There is.

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