Joe Rogan Experience #1307 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... told me that.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... told me that.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:01

      Haunting, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Yeah. Boom, and we're live. What are you doing, Greg?

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:04

      I'm looking up the title of a book I wanna talk about.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Which book?

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:08

      It's an audiobook and it was about Reconstruction.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Oh, we... what we were just talking about-

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:13

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      ... with slaves.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:13

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       Yeah.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:14

       And it was about how, you know, once the, uh, um, once the slaves were freed, they still perpetuated slavery by, um, it was... it's called, uh... hang on, I gotta find it. By... Slavery By Another Name by Douglas, Douglas Blackmon and it's about how they would... they had... they put loitering laws in all around the country, and they would find Black people, and if they were standing around, they would arrest them. Or if there was, like, a petty larceny or a domestic violence thing, they'd arrest them for fucking two years with a trial with one judge and no jury. And the, the judge was very often a, uh, a magistrate of the coal mining company.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Ugh.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00

       They'd send the, the, the, the prisoner to a coal mine for two years where he'd work seven days a week with shackles on, and they would fucking whip them. And if they tried to escape, they tracked them down with dogs and they beat them, sometimes to death. And this went on for fucking decades.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Jesus-

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:22

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       ... Christ.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:23

       So people talk about, "Well, slavery ended back..." No-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Not really.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:26

       ... forms of slavery went on for a long time.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       Not only that. Slavery ended and what effort was done to sort of rectify the situation? What effort was done to, like, try to give even opportunities for people who grew up in African American cities that were predominantly slaves-

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47

       Hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       ... before 1865?

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:49

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Like what, what's ever been done?

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:52

       40 acres and a mule? Did they ever get that?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Is that real?

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:55

       I don't know. I think, I think it was a-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       But even, even if you're dealing with that, even if some people got 40 acres and a mule, like what... is that enough?

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:03

       No.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      No, no, they were prostitutes.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      You know? And it's their, their choice. And they ... you don't hear much about that. The s- the sex trafficking was like a big thing to, I think, to get him to plead guilty, and they put it out there and they, they said, you know, they were shaming him and making it this big deal. This guy had paid to get his dick touched.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:20

      Mm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      You know, and here he is. What is he like 78 years old?

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:23

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      80 years old or something like that? This old guy just wanted to get his dick touched. He paid. It was a deal's a deal. She probably did it 13 times that day before him, you know?

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:33

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      I mean that's what they were doing in that place. They were jerking guys off. But people kept coming back. Why'd they keep coming back? 'Cause they hated it? Why'd they keep coming back? 'Cause it was a rip-off? Why'd they keep coming back? No, because as adults, they wanted to get their dick touched and this woman was willing to do that. And she ... Yeah. Is that a bad job? It's a fucking terrible job. So is Wendy's. So is being a dishwasher. Those are terrible jobs too. Do you wanna, do you wanna be the guy who puts the coal, the, the fucking tar on the streets in the hot day?

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:00

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Do you wanna be that guy?

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:01

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       The fuck outta here. That job sucks. Do you wanna be a guy who works in a, a gas station where you're constantly sniffing fumes? Fuck that. That job sucks. A lot of jobs suck.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:11

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       But it's your choice. It's your choice as a human being to take that job or not take that job.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:16

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       I f- feel the same way about prostitution that I s- feel about massage. It's like, if you can pay someone to touch your feet and rub your feet, you can pay a dude to just be rubbing your feet. Why can't you pay someone to touch you?

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:29

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Why can't you pay someone-

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:30

       Well, and they-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       ... to touch your genitals?

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:31

       And like you said-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       It's ridiculous.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:32

       ... get rid of the stigma by legalizing it and making sure-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       And protect those girls.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:36

       Right, I've been to the Bunny Ranch. I got a tour. I went, you know, my wife gave me permission.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Is that what you're ta- calling it? Calling it a tour?

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:41

       Took a tour. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       That's what you're gonna call it? (laughs) I, I had a map. I had a fucking-

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:45

       Yeah. (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      people that have these things done. And that's something if you, you think about it, man, if you just get a bum deal, you just get a b- a bad roll of the dice, you will live your life with people that don't, they don't wanna have sex with you.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:13

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      And this goes back to, like, the prostitution thing. Like, what do people want from those people? Do they want the world to be a different place than it really is? 'Cause are we operating as if this world is exactly how it is right now? Or are we pretending that the world is how we'd like it to be one day in a utopian society?

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:31

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      Because if we're doing that, I get how you're behaving. But if you're looking at the world around you the way it is, and you don't think these guys should be able to get prostitutes, you're, you're an asshole.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:42

      I think that kind of boils down what libertarianism is. You know? It's whether or not-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      Yes.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:46

      ... we are in a evolving u- utopian mindset or whether or not we're gonna just say, "Let people be who they are and just accept how things are."

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:56

      There's a little bit of that. I, I, I think I'm on both sides of that fence sometimes. You know, there's, there's definitely people that ...... you just wanna leave them alone. Like, if y- they're not gonna figure it out, fuck 'em. But then there's also people, like, we've all met people that have been in a bad place in their life and turned it around.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:12

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Like, I don't, I don't like giving up on people. I just don't. It just doesn't make ... It's not human. It's not a human thing to just-

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:18

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       ... give up on people.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:20

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       So, y- I'm- and s- I've, I've, I'm on both sides of that. Like, part of me wants to go, "Look, figure it out." And then part of me wants to go, like, "We gotta help people figure it out."

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       And we have to l- try to engineer our society like this is a problem. It's like what we were talking about before, about reparations for slavery, or these, uh, these communities that have always been Black and poor since the slave times. Like, uh, to, to, to just leave that alone and let that sort itself out. That is never gonna sort itself out.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:53

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       That's like a place in your garage that's fucked up and filled with trash that you think is gonna figure itself out on its own.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:00

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       Like, you, you, you gotta do something.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:02

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       You, the, the garbage that you're leaving behind, that's not gonna make its way to the trash. You're gonna have to sort it out. You're gonna have to figure out how to do it. You have to get it out there. If you have a impoverished, crime-riddled community filled with drugs and gangs, it's not gonna get better. You have to do something. Someone has to do something. Y- you can't just pretend. You can't just go further and further away from it. If we're gonna act as a country, and this is what, what we're supposed to be, we're supposed to be a big-ass team. We, we, we, we're supposed to be looking at the spots on the team that are fucked up.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:34

       Yeah, you t- you talk about that. Houston is kinda famous for this, of literally, the garbage dumps were all put in the Black neighborhoods. They just started dumping all the garbage in the poor areas-

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       Man.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:44

       ... with the bad schools, totally segregated-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:46

       Ugh.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:46

       ... into the same areas that were s- they were slave shacks way back when, and now, it's the same fucking generations later, living in garbage.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       Exhales ] Exhales ] All right.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons32:56

       And it has to be the youth 'cause-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      that thinks that homeless people are lazy.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      And, uh, we were like, look, there are people out there that were born on third base and they fucking swear to God they hit a triple.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:08

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      And they think, "Well, I, I fucking didn't have my shoes tied and I didn't do this and I, I missed out on birthday parties and I..." But nobody shot you.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      You know, nobody robbed you. Your, your, uh, uncle didn't rape you.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:21

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      You're not in jail. You didn't, you didn't watch your brother get killed, you know?

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:25

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       Like, c- come on, man. Like, there's way worse hands that people get dealt, way worse.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:31

       And just the overall vague sense of...

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Entitlement.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:35

       Well, I mean, saying on the other side of being surrounded by people that are not achieving.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:39

       And being, being exposed to people that don't think that finishing high school or college is a priority.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Right.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:45

       And so it's very hard to come up with that concept yourself, especially-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Yeah.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:48

       ... in the absence of, like, two functioning parents.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       The only thing that helps them now is the internet, because you can, you could lock onto, like, David Goggins or someone like that, or someone who was also born into s- just terrible situations like that, and you can listen to his story-

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:01

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       ... and read his, uh, or listen to his audiobook, which is fantastic. Read his book and understand, there's people like him that used to be like me. They made it through and now they have a story and I can do that too, it's possible.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:13

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       And then that becomes your guiding light. But the idea that we're all in the same fucking starting block is just stupid as fuck.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:19

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       It's stupid. It's stupid. It's a bad way to look at the world.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:23

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       And when people get upset at, you know, certain aspects of life without acknowledging that, like, ugh.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:33

       Yeah, and then you've got people that live in abandoned factory towns, whether it's, you know, in the Appalachias or-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:22

   Jesus. …

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:00

      four or five. They had what-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Jesus.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:02

      ... set aside?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      They said they have some stuff they set aside.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:04

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      They really like a guy.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:05

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      They used that Pet Sematary injection.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:08

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

       Bring him back.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:10

       That's right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

       Bring him back.

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:11

       Spike him in the chest.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       I didn't see the new Pet Sematary. I heard it was, uh, eh. I heard it was eh.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:16

       Is that based on the Stephen King book?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       Yeah. The book is great.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:19

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       The movie, the first movie was all right. It was all right. They're fun. They're, they're campy. The difference between his books and his movies, though, are so profound.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:28

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       His books are terrifying. His books, like, get to the, the heart of the, the worst aspects of human nature and-

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:35

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       ... demonic possession. (sniffs) And the, uh, Maximum Overdrive would be a great one to remake now. Yeah, right? Where they have the fucking robots or any- Yeah.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:42

       ... machine takes over and kills everyone.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Yeah.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:44

       It would be a great one.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       No shit, right?

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:45

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Yeah, they have it, like, with modern electric trucks and shit. Yeah. (laughs)

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:49

       The Shining was the only one that was as scary as the book.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Well, it was different, very different than the book. The, The Shining-

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