Joe Rogan Experience #1308 - Eddie Bravo

Joe Rogan 0:00 AJ Braud. (laughs) You are watched.

Eddie Bravo 0:02 My brother, good to see you as always.

Joe Rogan 0:04 (laughs) Always good to see you, man.

Eddie Bravo 0:05 And thanks for jumping in this, uh, short notice. For the folks who don't know, I was supposed to have Kevin Leon today, but Kevin and I, we fucked up. It was partially my fuck up, partially his fuck up. But he'll be on, on Wednesday.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Yeah. AJ Braud was in the neighborhood getting pumped, my friend.

Eddie Bravo 0:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:20 Getting, getting solid. You've been lifting the weights. How, how steady are you lifting now?

Eddie Bravo 0:25 Uh, I try to get three days a week, but shit gets crazy sometimes and I can only get two.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Dude, if I stop for just a couple weeks, I start, at 51, you start getting so weak, even on TRT. Y- Everything just starts slipping. Your body's like, "No, we don't need to be lifting heavy shit."

Eddie Bravo 0:43 Dude, I'm sore as fuck.

Joe Rogan 0:45 I'm sure.

Eddie Bravo 0:45 I've been, I've been rolling with little people the last few months.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Like, what kind of little people?

Eddie Bravo 0:50 Uh-

Joe Rogan 0:50 Hobbits?

Eddie Bravo 0:51 (laughs) I wish. Shit-

Joe Rogan 0:53 Shit.

Eddie Bravo 0:53 ... I'd fuck them up.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Do you think so?

Eddie Bravo 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 I think hobbits would be extraordinarily strong with hairy feet.

Eddie Bravo 0:58 They're Footlocker.

Joe Rogan 0:58 There's probably a lot of, like, some kinda... No, man, I bet their feet are fucking so strong, you could never Footlocker a hobbit.

Eddie Bravo 1:03 Dude, have you seen the size of their heels? Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 1:05 They have giant heels, but I bet their ligaments and shit are different. I bet...

Eddie Bravo 1:10 Inside, you don't know, I'll fuck them up.

Joe Rogan 1:11 It's, yeah, you know, that's weird because they're all, they're all baref- This is weird about the hobbits, right? They're barefoot, they got furry ass feet, they have giant feet because, you know, obviously they had to wear those, those feet over the shoes. But even in the books, didn't did the, didn't it, did they said they had big, hairy feet-

Eddie Bravo 1:27 Dude, look at those feet.

Joe Rogan 1:27 ... even in the books. Yeah, the hobbit's feet, bro.

Eddie Bravo 1:29 I'd toe hold the shit out of that. I have an easy toe hold right there.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Maybe. Maybe. My thinking is, if their feet are that hairy, they got... Oh, Jesus Christ, what happened to that lady? Don't do this to me, Jamie. This is a podcast. We can't be doing-

Eddie Bravo 1:40 Is that a person?

Joe Rogan 1:41 That's gout.

Jamie Vernon 1:42 Oh, damn. Through fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:42 Someone's got-

Jamie Vernon 1:43 It looks like-

Joe Rogan 1:44 ... gout inflammate... No, man, that's real. Did you think that was a hobbit picture?

Jamie Vernon 1:47 Yeah, you did. (laughs) Oh, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:50 It's all hobbit feet. Oh my God, Google Image got you again.

Eddie Bravo 1:52 Isn't that elephantitis?

Joe Rogan 1:52 That's an algorithm. That's the Russians. They're trying to fuck with the show. No, what that is is bunions, first of all. That's a painful thing that happens to your big toe. Some of it's genetic and some of it is putting your toes into pointed shoes for, like, long periods of time. Like people who have to go to work, like ladies particular, they wear, like, super uncomfortable shoes that smush their toes up like that. Your toes aren't supposed to be like that.

Eddie Bravo 2:15 I've seen this thing on Instagram where they could fix that now-

Joe Rogan 2:18 Yeah, they can f-

Eddie Bravo 2:18 ... with, like, rubber bands.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Yes. Well-

Eddie Bravo 2:20 You think that's real?

Joe Rogan 2:21 ... I think, well, they, they have yoga toes, there's some shit that you use that you can, you shove your feet in between these, like, styrofoam things and it stretches 'em out.

Eddie Bravo 2:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Apparently that's supposed to be good for them. Um, Vibram shoes is good. Like those-

Eddie Bravo 2:33 They still make those?

Joe Rogan 2:34 I run in those, son.

Eddie Bravo 2:35 Didn't they get sued or something?

Joe Rogan 2:37 They did get sued.

Eddie Bravo 2:37 Propaganda?

Joe Rogan 2:38 By a bunch of pussies.

Eddie Bravo 2:39 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:40 Yeah, a bunch of P, "I hurt my foot."

Eddie Bravo 2:41 Hey, I used to, you know, I used to wear them too.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Yeah, look, man, they're, they're harder to run in. No bullshit.

Eddie Bravo 2:46 They feel good though. I like them.

Joe Rogan 2:47 I like them.

Eddie Bravo 2:48 But once all that-

Joe Rogan 2:48 They make you grip the ground.

Eddie Bravo 2:49 ... all that shit came out that, uh, they were, like, a fraud. Uh, they were a scam and all that-

Joe Rogan 2:53 That's not what it is. I think they had made improper claims, if I'm not correct. I mean, if I'm not correct, if I'm correct, if my information is correct. I think they made improper claims. I think that was what the, the word was. The word was that they had said some shit and that people had gotten injured. Like, they said it would keep you from getting injured. It's all based on this idea that you're supposed to run barefoot.

Eddie Bravo 3:16 Yeah, they said Mexicans could run barefoot.

Joe Rogan 3:17 It strengthens your feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the mountains.

Eddie Bravo 3:18 And then Mex- Mexico's like, "Fuck you. We got shoes."

Joe Rogan 3:21 Bro, but those guys up in the mountains that they're talking about in that book, Born to Run, I feel like they have, some of them made their own shoes with, like, tires. Like, they cut tires and made their own shoes and they're running, like, 100 miles up there. Something crazy like that.

Eddie Bravo 3:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:35 Like, they have insane endurance and they live up in that mountain and they just run around. Oh, speaking of Mexicans, one of the main reasons you're here, I wanna talk to you is because you're my favorite Mexican, and now we have a Mexican American heavyweight champion of the motherfucking world.

Eddie Bravo 3:49 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:50 How crazy is that?

Eddie Bravo 3:51 That's insane. I can't believe it.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Viva la Mexico.

Eddie Bravo 3:53 Yeah. Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 3:55 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 3:55 I didn't know Mexico had a heavyweight boxer.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Oh my God, Andy Ruiz is the shit.

Eddie Bravo 3:59 He is.

Joe Rogan 4:00 He is the shit. He's what America needs right now with all this border wall crisis shit.

Eddie Bravo 4:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:03 A heavyweight champion that's Mexican?

Eddie Bravo 4:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Come on, son. And one that's fucking good and one that has a big belly and he knocks out a dude who looks like he's chiseled out of granite. I mean, no one has ever had a better body than Anthony Joshua. You've only had a different body. No one's had a better body. He's like... What is he, like, 6'7" or some shit like that?

Eddie Bravo 4:24 Can I see him? I don't even know that guy.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Oh my God, dude. Anthony Joshua is the, one of the best built heavyweight boxers of all time.

Eddie Bravo 4:30 And he's legit? He was the champ and all that?

Joe Rogan 4:32 Olympic gold medalist, the champ, knocked out Wladimir Klitschko. I mean, he's a fucking monster, man.

Eddie Bravo 4:37 From the UK?

Joe Rogan 4:38 From the UK.

Eddie Bravo 4:39 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Yeah, he was the champ and he was supposed to fight Big Baby Miller. And Big Baby Miller tested positive for the Mexican supplements, ironically enough. Boom, that's Anthony Joshua.

Eddie Bravo 4:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:52 I mean, come on, son.

Eddie Bravo 4:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:53 How tall is he? Because he's gigantic.

Eddie Bravo 4:56 He's got a 12 pack.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Because Andy Ruiz looked short in that fight. 6'6".

Eddie Bravo 5:02 Shit.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Yeah, but-

Eddie Bravo 5:03 That's huge.

Joe Rogan 5:03 ... Ruiz is, like, 6'2". He just looked tiny when he's standing next to Joshua. Joshua's a giant of a man and just fucking jacked. What does it say his weight listed as?

Jamie Vernon 5:14 249.

Joe Rogan 5:15 249. I wonder if that was for the last fight because I'm sure with a giant dude like that, it varies back and forth. But, um, so I was out to dinner and I get a text from Brendan Schaub. Brendan Schaub hit me with the spoiler alert.

Eddie Bravo 5:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:29 He said, "Fuck. Joshua got knocked out." And I was like, "No." And I go, "What happened?" And he goes, "He got fucked up in the seventh round."

Eddie Bravo 5:39 By a Mexican.

Joe Rogan 5:40 And he goes, "I'm sick." I go, "You're sick?" I go, "I'm happy as fuck." I l- I couldn't wait to come home and watch it. I love when crazy shit happens. This is my favorite thing in fights.

Eddie Bravo 5:49 What does it-

Joe Rogan 5:49 Look at that guy. Look at Ru- No disrespect, champ, but he jokes about it himself. I'm trying to get him in here too.

Eddie Bravo 5:55 Oh, that would be crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Look at his body. I mean, it looks like a regular dude.

Eddie Bravo 5:59 What if he got shredded, how much would he weigh?

Joe Rogan 6:00 Why would he wake- get shredded?

Eddie Bravo 6:02 No, but if he did though-

Joe Rogan 6:02 Get the fuck out of here.

Eddie Bravo 6:03 ... he might be a middle weight, right?

Joe Rogan 6:04 I would, I would feed him on the sneak tip. I'd wake him up in the middle of the night with some great Mexican food. That dude needs to stay exactly how he is. See, look, he's got muscles under there. Like, look at his stomach. He's just got some body fat on him. But here's one thing, if you do have great cardio-... one thing that body fat can do is it can protect you somewhat. It's like wearing eight sweaters. I've joked around about this before-

Eddie Bravo 6:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:27 ... and people think I'm bullshitting. And I kind of am, a little bit, 'cause I know most of the impact gets in there. But if you were gonna fight a guy, and right before you fought him, he puts on a vest made out of fat and meat and stitches it up, and it sticks out, like, fucking 10 extra inches. You'd be like, "Hey, what is all this? What are you doing? You can't put that on." And then if you hit him to the body and he barely reacts, you'd be like, "Fuck, I can't believe this guy's cheating with his fat vest."

Eddie Bravo 6:57 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Think about that shit.

Eddie Bravo 6:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:58 If you have good cardio and you got some fat around your gut, that shit might protect you. Look at Daniel Cormier.

Eddie Bravo 7:04 Yep. Fedor.

Joe Rogan 7:05 Look at Fedor. You're dealing with these giant dudes, giant dudes who can fuck you up with one shot. There might actually be an advantage to having a gut. And that's not bullshit at all.

Eddie Bravo 7:17 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:18 It's not ideal in the lower weight classes.

Eddie Bravo 7:20 Bringing back guts. He brought back-

Joe Rogan 7:22 I'm bringing back guts.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 ... fanny packs. Dude.

Joe Rogan 7:23 I'm bringing them back. I'm thinking of growing my own.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Dude, how great would that be?

Joe Rogan 7:23 It's hard being healthy.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Oh.

Joe Rogan 7:23 I'm barely hanging on. I'm tired of watching them.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 You ever watch if chicks only dated dudes with guts?

Joe Rogan 7:23 That could be the new thing. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 That, dude, that was amazing.

Joe Rogan 7:23 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Are you kidding? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 Did you see that, uh, that GIF on, uh, Brendan Schaub's page of, uh, DJ Khaled? Is that how you say his name? Who's a big fella himself, uh, climbing out of a golf cart with his shirt open. Let, let me show you the... I w- I don't wanna read the caption. See, my problem with sharing this is I wanna know who the fuck made this 'cause it's really funny. I wish I knew the dude to give him credit, you know?

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Uh, it says it.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Oh, it says it there?

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Well-

Joe Rogan 7:23 The creator of the, the GIF?

Jamie Vernon 7:23 No. No.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Can I see it?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah, yeah. Put it up on there for them, Jamie.

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Hold on.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Hold on. Jamie's, Jamie's got a-

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Might be...

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... might be a problem, copyright issue.

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Somebody might have stole it from somebody else? You gotta talk in the microphone. People are listening.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 (coughs)

Jamie Vernon 7:23 Uh, I'll just put it up though.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Okay. Look at this. All the big men, all the big men headed to brunch with their shirt open today after the Andrew Rees win. (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 He's bringing back guts.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Dude, that would be amazing.

Joe Rogan 7:23 And, dude, he's super friendly, like a really nice guy, thanked his mom. He s- he told his mom after the fight that, you know, "We don't have to suffer anymore."

Eddie Bravo 7:23 We do.

Joe Rogan 7:23 "This has changed our lives." You know, it's beautiful. It's pretty tough-

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah, that last... I mean, I was, I was s- crazy into boxing before I saw UFC 2. Once I saw UFC 2, I kinda just dropped boxing. But I was s- way into boxing, had stacks of Ring Magazine all over my house and wouldn't throw them away. I was way into it. And all we had as Mexicans, uh, in the heavyweight division was Alex Garcia. Remember him?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 He was... He, he, he broke the top 10.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 He was up there for a little bit, but he just... You know, that's, that's the closest we ever got. Unless there's been someone else since then. This was like 1990. I haven't followed boxing at all, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Well, that's why it was big for Mexican-Americans when Cain Velasquez was the UFC heavyweight champ. That was the first ever Mexican heavyweight champ in combat sports.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Right?

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Am I correct?

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah. It's weird though in MMA. Uh, people aren't racist in MMA really, as much as boxing, they're really racist. Like, boxing, I'm always going for the Mexican. I don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 7:23 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:23 I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Well, yeah, we talked about this but in j-

Eddie Bravo 7:23 In MMA-

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... in MMA, you go for the jujitsu guy.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 I go for... I don't care what nationality you are in MMA.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Or I go for the, the, the... I want... Well, like, like, if someone's fighting Melvin Manhoef, I don't necessarily want Melvin Manhoef to win, but I definitely wanna see Melvin Manhoef go Melvin Manhoef on somebody.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 You know what I'm saying?

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Oh, yeah, you know, watching guys that can-

Joe Rogan 7:23 There's certain guys-

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah. Watching guys that, uh, that are known for their knockout power-

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 ... and I like watching those guys too.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Even if they're fighting a jujitsu guy, right?

Eddie Bravo 7:23 I don't want them to win, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:23 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:23 (laughs) But that was why... Who was it? Was it, uh, Akiy- no. Was it... Was it Akiyama? No. It was, um... Who was... Uh, was it Yoshida who beat Melvin Manhoef and arm barred him? I think it was Yoshida.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Was it Akiyama? I think it was Akiyama.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 7:23 I think Akiyama. I think Sexy Yama fought him with a gion.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Hmm, I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Who fought Melvin Manhoef in Pride? See if it was, uh, Melvin Manhoef versus Akiyama. I wonder.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 A-K-I...

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 ... Yaki?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Sexy Yama. You can say Sexy Yama. Who killed him, Sexy Yama? Was it Chiavello, Michael Chiavello? Did he-

Eddie Bravo 7:23 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Who, who named him Sexy Yama? Oh, no, he wasn't doing, he wasn't doing Pride, right?

Eddie Bravo 7:23 He was in Japan, but I w- I don't know if it was DREAM or-

Joe Rogan 7:23 No. No, no, no. Yeah. Well, he does ONE now.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Or-

Joe Rogan 7:23 And he was doing, he was doing all the shit on AXS TV.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 K-1?

Joe Rogan 7:23 You know, he was doing a lot of shows with Pat Miletich. He's doing a lot of different things. But he, he also does, um, a lot of Muay Thai too. Yoshihiro Akiyama.

Eddie Bravo 7:23 Yeah, yeah. Right?

Joe Rogan 7:23 I'm bringing back guts. I'm bringing back... I'm thinking about, I'm thinking of growing my own. Dude, how great would that be? Uh. It's hard being healthy, barely hanging on. Tired of working out.

Eddie Bravo 7:29 If chicks only dated dudes with guts?

Joe Rogan 7:31 That could be the new thing.

Eddie Bravo 7:33 Yeah. Dude, that was amazing.

Joe Rogan 7:35 That was just- (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:35 Are you kidding?

Joe Rogan 7:37 Oh. Did you see that, uh, that GIF on, uh, Brendan Schaub's page of, uh, DJ Khaled? Is that how you say his name? Who's a, a big fella himself? Uh, climbing out of a golf cart with his shirt open. Look, let me show you the... I w- I don't wanna read the caption. See, my problem with sharing this is I wanna know who the fuck made this 'cause it's really funny. I wish I knew the dude to give him credit, you know?

Jamie Vernon 7:57 You got it. It says it.

Joe Rogan 7:58 Oh, it says it there?

Jamie Vernon 7:59 Well-

Joe Rogan 7:59 The creator of the, the GIF?

Jamie Vernon 8:01 ... no.

Eddie Bravo 8:01 Can I see it?

Joe Rogan 8:02 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Put it up on there for them, Jamie.

Jamie Vernon 8:04 Hold on.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Hold on. Jamie's, Jamie's got a-

Jamie Vernon 8:08 Might be a problem.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Might be a problem. Copyright issue?

Jamie Vernon 8:09 Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

Joe Rogan 8:12 Somebody might have stole it from somebody else? You gotta talk in the microphone. People are listening.

Jamie Vernon 8:14 Yeah, yeah. Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

Joe Rogan 8:16 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 8:16 Uh, I'll just put it up though.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Okay. Look at this, "All the big men, all the big men headed to brunch with their shirt open today after the Andrew Rees win." (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 8:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:29 He's bringing back guts.

Eddie Bravo 8:30 Dude, that would be amazing.

Joe Rogan 8:31 And, dude, he's super friendly. L- like, really nice guy, thanked his mom. He s-... He told his mom after the fight, uh, "You know, we don't have to suffer anymore."

Eddie Bravo 8:40 We do.

Joe Rogan 8:40 "This has changed our lives." You know, it's beautiful. It's pretty tough-

Eddie Bravo 8:43 Yeah, the last... I mean, I was, I was s- crazy into boxing before I saw UFC 2. Once I saw UFC 2, I kinda just dropped boxing. But I was s- way into boxing, had stacks of Ring Magazine all over my house and wouldn't throw them away. I was way into it. And all we had as Mexicans, uh, in the heavyweight division was Alex Garcia. You remember him?

Joe Rogan 9:05 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 9:06 He was... He, he, he broke the top 10.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 9:09 He was up there for a little bit, but he just... You know, that's, that's the closest we ever got, unless there's been someone else since then. This was like 1990. I haven't followed boxing at all, you know?

Joe Rogan 9:19 Well, that's why it was big for, uh, Mexican-Americans when Cain Velasquez was UFC heavyweight champ. That was the first ever Mexican heavyweight champ in combat sports.

Eddie Bravo 9:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Right?

Eddie Bravo 9:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Am I correct?

Eddie Bravo 9:28 Yeah. It's weird though in MMA. Uh, people aren't racists in MMA really th- as much as boxing, they're really racists. Like, boxing, I'm always going for the Mexican. I don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 9:37 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 9:37 I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 9:39 Well, yeah, we talked about this. But in j-

Eddie Bravo 9:40 In MMA-

Joe Rogan 9:40 ... in MMA, you go for the jujitsu guy.

Eddie Bravo 9:42 I go for... I don't care what nationality you are in MMA.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Or I go for the, the, the... I want... Well, like, like, if someone's fighting Melvin Manhoef, I don't necessarily want Melvin Manhoef to win, but I definitely wanna see Melvin Manhoef go Melvin Manhoef on somebody.

Eddie Bravo 9:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:57 You know what I'm saying?

Eddie Bravo 9:58 Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Oh, yeah, you know, watching guys that can-

Joe Rogan 10:01 There's certain guys-

Eddie Bravo 10:01 Yeah. Watching guys that, uh, that are known for their knockout power-

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 10:05 ... and I like watching those guys too.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Even if they're fighting a jujitsu guy, right?

Eddie Bravo 10:09 I don't want them to win, you know?

Joe Rogan 10:12 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 10:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:12 But that was why... Who was it? Was it, uh, Akiya... No. Was it, was it Akiyama? No. It was, um... Who was, uh... Was it Yoshida who beat Melvin Manhoef and arm barred him?

Eddie Bravo 10:24 I think it was Yoshida.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Was it Akiyama? I think it was Akiyama.

Eddie Bravo 10:27 Mm.

Joe Rogan 10:28 I think Akiyama. I think Sexy Yama fought him with a gion.

Eddie Bravo 10:31 Hmm, I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Who fought Melvin Manhoef in Pride? See if it was, uh, Melvin Manhoef versus Akiyama. I wonder, man.

Eddie Bravo 10:41 A-K-I... Aki?

Joe Rogan 10:43 Yeah. Sexy Yama. You can say Sexy Yama. Who killed him, Sexy Yama? Was it Chiavello, Michael Chiavello? Did he-

Eddie Bravo 10:49 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Who, who named him Sexy Yama? Oh, no, he wasn't doing, he wasn't doing Pride, right?

Eddie Bravo 10:56 He was in Japan, but I w- I don't know if it was DREAM or-

Joe Rogan 10:58 No. No, no, no. Yeah. Well, he does ONE now.

Eddie Bravo 11:01 Or-

Joe Rogan 11:01 And he was doing, he was doing all this shit on AXS TV.

Eddie Bravo 11:06 K-1?

Joe Rogan 11:06 You know, he was doing a lot of shows with Pat Miletich. He's doing a lot of different things. But he, he also does, um, a lot of Muay Thai too. Yoshihiro Akiyama.

Eddie Bravo 11:16 Yeah, yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 11:22 I'm bringing back guts. I'm bringing them back.

Eddie Bravo 11:38 Dude.

Joe Rogan 11:38 I'm thinking of growing my own.

Eddie Bravo 11:40 How great would that be?

Joe Rogan 11:47 It's hard being healthy, barely hanging on. Tired of working out.

Eddie Bravo 12:10 If chicks only dated dudes with guts?

Joe Rogan 12:18 That could be the new thing.

Eddie Bravo 12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Dude, that was amazing. Are you kidding?

Eddie Bravo 12:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:18 Did you see that, uh, that GIF on, uh, Brendan... then you gotta watch it on a laptop, that's not ideal.

Eddie Bravo 12:22 Oh, your phone?

Joe Rogan 12:23 That's not ideal. I'll do it, though. But that's the good thing about it, is I've done that. Like, I've been out and I couldn't go to see a fight, I couldn't s- watch it while I was at home, but I have, like, an hour s- where I could sneak away and watch, like, the one main event.

Eddie Bravo 12:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 And I get to watch it on my phone.

Eddie Bravo 12:39 That's huge.

Joe Rogan 12:39 I'll take that all day.

Eddie Bravo 12:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:40 I'll take that all day.

Eddie Bravo 12:41 Yeah. What about, m- like, what's that function? Mirror? Is that what it is, where you can-

Joe Rogan 12:46 Oh, yeah, yeah, where you shoot it up to the TV-

Eddie Bravo 12:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:48 ... from your phone? That's dope.

Eddie Bravo 12:49 You could do that.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you have, um-

Eddie Bravo 12:51 Apple TV?

Joe Rogan 12:52 If you have Apple TV or if you have Amazon, what is that? Fire Stick? Is that what it is, Jamie? Do you remember?

Jamie Vernon 12:57 Yeah, you (clears throat) Chromecast also.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Chromecast and, uh, there's probably a few other ones you could probably do that with too, but they have, like, a USB slot, I think, and you just stick this thing in the USB slot and it'll l- is that... am I saying that correct?

Jamie Vernon 13:09 Yeah, but you don't even need it. Depending on when you bought your TV-

Joe Rogan 13:12 Right.

Jamie Vernon 13:12 ... it's built into it now.

Joe Rogan 13:13 A lot of them.

Jamie Vernon 13:13 Like, the Chrome thing is, uh.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Which is interesting, right? It's like, "W- what if a new company comes along and they want to get built into that- that system?" How do they g- you know, 'cause when you get your TV, does your TV have, like, the option to get Netflix?

Eddie Bravo 13:26 Mine does.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Yeah, it's like o- you don't need an Apple TV, it's, like, one of the options on the TV.

Eddie Bravo 13:29 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, on my TV, I have a- my T-

Joe Rogan 13:32 Your setup?

Eddie Bravo 13:33 Yeah, I have an old TV, dude. It's like, I got it, like, in 2006 or something.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Damn, son. You gotta upgrade.

Eddie Bravo 13:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 It's time to upgrade, dude.

Eddie Bravo 13:40 Hey, it's still a flat TV.

Joe Rogan 13:41 Still works.

Eddie Bravo 13:41 I don't know how f- like, then you need it (whistles) .

Joe Rogan 13:44 I'm gonna go old school and I'm gonna start riding a bike and getting a rounded TV. One of them fucked up TVs where they're dark in the corner.

Eddie Bravo 13:50 Big boxes?

Joe Rogan 13:51 Big old box. You put stuff on it.

Eddie Bravo 13:54 Bring it back.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Put stuff on it.

Eddie Bravo 13:55 Totally. It's a shelf.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Dude, the first time I got a TV, um, I got, like, it was a big ass TV. Like, my first TV that I bought when I s- first got on television, it was, like, 30" or something like that. I was like, "Look at the size of this fucking TV." It was giant, like, from here to here. It was like that big. And I remember sitting this stupid fucking-

Eddie Bravo 14:14 19", right?

Joe Rogan 14:15 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 14:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 I remember sitting this stupid thing on the floor and it had- it had to be so far away from the wall, 'cause there was all this extra shit behind it.

Eddie Bravo 14:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:23 There was, like, tubes and stuff and bazookas. (laughs) There was, like, the, you know, there was wires and everything-

Eddie Bravo 14:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:28 ... in this big box. And fans and stuff. You remember bulbs? There was- there would be bulbs in them, they'd have to change the bulbs and it'd make your TV brighter.

Eddie Bravo 14:37 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 14:37 Do you remember that?

Eddie Bravo 14:39 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really know the mechanics behind the TV, I'd just turn them on and then when they'd break down, you'd kind of... they're so cheap nowadays too. TV's are crazy cheap.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Wow. Crazy ch- we were just talking about that out there, how much, like, a TV th- for 10 years ago would cost and now it's, like, the same TV is, like, a couple hundred bucks.

Eddie Bravo 14:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:58 10 years ago, it was, like, 10,000, 15,000.

Eddie Bravo 15:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Like, ugh.

Eddie Bravo 15:01 I remember when I first moved out, I had a little, you know, everyone starts with their little black and white, little boxes. You know what I mean? You put a clothes hanger in for the antenna. And the first TV I got was a 19" color TV, shit was like 300 bucks. I saved forever for it, but man, that was my pride and joy.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Mm. Yeah, man.

Eddie Bravo 15:23 No remote.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Imagine living in the days before TV, when they first invented it.

Eddie Bravo 15:28 It was all radio.

Joe Rogan 15:30 It was radio and the movie theater.

Eddie Bravo 15:31 And plays. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:32 The movie theater existed first, right? I'm not wrong in that, right?

Eddie Bravo 15:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:35 How much after the movie theater did the television get invented? Like, what year was the TV?

Eddie Bravo 15:40 The 50s. I think the 50s, that's when it came in.

Joe Rogan 15:42 The TV came in the 50s?

Eddie Bravo 15:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Bro, that's not that long ago. Think about how much it dominates people's time.

Eddie Bravo 15:49 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 15:50 The first TV started appearing in homes in the late 20s, early 30s.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Oh, shit.

Eddie Bravo 15:55 Wow.

Jamie Vernon 15:55 Yeah, I think color is when, that was, like, the 50s or so.

Joe Rogan 15:58 The late 20s.

Jamie Vernon 16:00 Hold on. How many TVs had homes in the 50s? Only 9% of American households had TVs in the 50s.

Joe Rogan 16:06 One out of 10 rich folks. Wow. Imagine just being alive back then when those things started happening and being some- some dude who thinks way, way ahead and looks at this and goes, "Whoa, where is this gonna go?"

Eddie Bravo 16:22 People in 50 years are gonna look back at- at this time and go, "Shit, remember when people used to actually open their eyes?"

Joe Rogan 16:29 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 16:29 You know? We're gonna be, like, in some kind of Matrix-

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yeah, for sure.

Eddie Bravo 16:32 ... type environment.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Remember when people lived real life? They weren't outside, they lived real life?

Eddie Bravo 16:37 Yeah. Stupid.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Fucking dummies, man.

Eddie Bravo 16:39 We're so lucky. We could live anywhere.

Joe Rogan 16:41 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 16:42 When VR gets so good that you actually can just live any life you want, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:49 It's inevitable.

Eddie Bravo 16:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:50 They're, I mean, they're- they're getting closer and closer to it. If you look at what we, uh, would have seen if we were a person living in 1920 when they turned on that first TV. I mean, what was that like? Those people were probably like, what, in awe.

Eddie Bravo 17:03 They probably thought, "Oh, now- now they can't lie to us on the radio. Now we've got the truth in our living rooms. Now we got, finally we got the truth, we get to see what's really going on in the world."

Joe Rogan 17:12 Please, bro.

Eddie Bravo 17:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:12 In the 1920s, you know what they thought? You know, they were like, "Just give me something to look at."

Eddie Bravo 17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:18 Wouldn't you love to go back and talk to someone from the 20s and find out if they're naives?

Eddie Bravo 17:20 Like, what are you guys doing all day?

Joe Rogan 17:22 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 17:22 Like, what the fuck do you guys do?

Joe Rogan 17:24 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 17:25 (laughs) No, like, how boring was life back then?

Joe Rogan 17:28 Ugh. What did they do?

Eddie Bravo 17:28 No wonder they were onto hopscotch and shit like that and jump rope.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:32 After a while, that's, that just seems like it's so much fun.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:37 Reading books and shit. Remember that?

Joe Rogan 17:38 Riding horses.

Eddie Bravo 17:39 Remember when people read books?

Joe Rogan 17:41 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 17:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:43 I rarely read.

Eddie Bravo 17:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:47 I get almost m- 90% of my reading I get done in, with audiobooks. 90%.

Eddie Bravo 17:52 Yeah, that's- that's way easier.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Yeah. It's great to do while running too. It, like, it does two things at the same time. It gives me some shit to think about that kind of, like, propels me while I'm running. The only thing I do, I do worry about getting jacked.

Eddie Bravo 18:06 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 18:07 Getting cat by cat.

Eddie Bravo 18:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:09 I do worry about that, man.

Eddie Bravo 18:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 I worry about that legitimately.

Eddie Bravo 18:12 Yeah. I've been hiking, uh, more than ever lately, and sometimes we're e- on some trails where I have a rock ready to go.

Joe Rogan 18:19 I carry a knife.

Eddie Bravo 18:20 It's a good move.

Joe Rogan 18:20 I carry a knife when I run.

Eddie Bravo 18:22 It's a good move.

Joe Rogan 18:23 Yeah, it's not likely. It's not likely. People are like, "Oh my God, you're paranoid."... two people were killed by mountain lions last year, and a kid got bit by a mountain lion just a couple days ago.

Eddie Bravo 18:35 Jamie?

Joe Rogan 18:36 I'm getting over a cold, folks. I'm, if I sound snotty. But, uh, if, if two people got killed by werewolves, would you go out when the moon is full? You would be like, "Fuck that." If two people in Seattle (laughs) got killed by werewolves, when there's a full moon you're gonna b- lock your fucking doors-

Eddie Bravo 18:54 Am I in Seattle when I go out?

Joe Rogan 18:56 Uh-

Eddie Bravo 18:56 If it happened in Seattle, where am I? In Seattle?

Joe Rogan 18:58 Well, the guy who's the werewolf could have gotten on a plane and went to San Francisco. It's totally possible.

Eddie Bravo 19:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Right?

Eddie Bravo 19:04 Just, or just walked.

Joe Rogan 19:05 But if you knew there was a real werewolf that was, on the full moon, was m- possibly gonna kill somebody-

Eddie Bravo 19:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:12 ... sometimes he didn't-

Eddie Bravo 19:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:13 ... sometimes the full moon comes and goes and nobody dies-

Eddie Bravo 19:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... because everybody's smart and they all stay indoors.

Eddie Bravo 19:17 Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 19:19 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 19:19 You know, like-

Joe Rogan 19:19 Yeah, you would stay out of the fucking moon.

Eddie Bravo 19:20 ... but, but you know the odds would be astronomical. Just like, uh, like Jaws.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 19:24 Like, you know if you get dropped in the middle of the ocean, you know that-

Joe Rogan 19:27 Look at this guy.

Eddie Bravo 19:28 ... it'll take-

Joe Rogan 19:29 This guy has a fucking mountain lion in his... That's a... What is that? That's not a mountain lion. That's like a c- that's a domestic cat.

Eddie Bravo 19:34 Is that a bobcat? That looks like a mount- or a cougar. It looks like a-

Joe Rogan 19:38 No, that's a domestic cat. See those ears? It's like a really wild domestic cat. What is it called?

Jamie Vernon 19:44 Speaking Danish.

Joe Rogan 19:46 See?

Eddie Bravo 19:46 Scary as shit.

Jamie Vernon 19:49 Danish. See, it's, it hisses at him. The guy might be a dick. The guy doing that, fucking with that cat might be a dick. He's trying to get it to hiss. I guess they have a good relationship. It looks like those, what were those two... They look like that, like yelling at each other.

Eddie Bravo 20:05 God damn, those ears. Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 20:06 Bro, that is a fer- what kind of animal is that?

Jamie Vernon 20:07 It's not a lynx, is it?

Joe Rogan 20:08 Mm-mm.

Jamie Vernon 20:09 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 20:09 Too stupid.

Jamie Vernon 20:10 Doesn't, the video doesn't say what it is.

Joe Rogan 20:11 I saw a-

Jamie Vernon 20:11 It's just, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:12 I saw a lynx in real life once. It's crazy looking. They got big, these big giant fluffy feet. I saw them up in, uh, Alberta. Big weird crazy feet. Like almost like they're wearing shoes. Very strange looking cat. Like a big old furry cat in the woods in Canada. It's so strange, man. You look at it, you're like, "What the fuck are you?" You ever see a lynx?

Jamie Vernon 20:33 Yeah, that's not what it was.

Eddie Bravo 20:34 I'm not too sure what the difference between a lynx and a cougar is.

Joe Rogan 20:37 That's what I saw. I saw one of those motherfuckers. I was like, "What is that?"

Eddie Bravo 20:40 Oh, they're fluffier.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Bro, they're super hairy because they're cats that live... That's what it's like, that one with the long legs right there, Jamie? That's like exactly what I saw. And it was in the snow too, or, or on... It was not in the snow, rather.

Eddie Bravo 20:52 It was white.

Joe Rogan 20:53 It was in, it was in the, the forest floor, like green too. And they, um, the feet are designed so that they can move quickly over snow. They, they almost act as snowshoes. Like so do wolves. Like wolves have big ass feet and they spread out. That's what it looked like. We were driving down the road and we saw that guy on the side of the road, and we were like, "What is that? What the fuck?"

Jamie Vernon 21:14 Weird.

Joe Rogan 21:15 It's so weird to see one in real life. If you see it at the zoo, you wouldn't even look at it. You'd pass by that cage.

Eddie Bravo 21:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:21 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 21:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:21 You'd be like, "What the fuck is that little"-

Eddie Bravo 21:22 Where are the fucking tigers at?

Joe Rogan 21:23 ... wack ass little cat.

Eddie Bravo 21:25 And the crazy polar bears.

Joe Rogan 21:26 But if you see it in the woods, man, it's like the greatest thing you've ever seen in your life. You're like, "Wow, look at it, look at it." Like a porcupine. If I see a porcupine when I'm driving, I'll stop my car. Be like, "Look at that. Whoa. What a..."

Eddie Bravo 21:40 Do they still, do they really shoot the...

Joe Rogan 21:42 No, no, they don't shoot them, no.

Eddie Bravo 21:43 They don't shoot them yet?

Joe Rogan 21:44 No, no, they don't shoot them. They said-

Eddie Bravo 21:44 No, no, no, no, no, do porcupines...

Joe Rogan 21:45 No, no, no, they don't shoot them. They don't shoot them. That's a myth.

Eddie Bravo 21:48 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:48 They just have barbs, so if you bite them, you get stuck up.

Eddie Bravo 21:51 How crazy is it that everyone thought that growing up?

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 21:53 Like in the, in the '80s-

Joe Rogan 21:55 It's because they lie.

Eddie Bravo 21:56 ... they thought that they, (laughs) they shot you with thorns.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Kids fucking lie.

Jamie Vernon 21:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:59 They probably tell their dad, "He shot him at me, Dad."

Jamie Vernon 22:01 Probably in a cartoon or something.

Eddie Bravo 22:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Yeah, that's possible too, right? Like, everybody thinks coyotes are, uh, stupid.

Eddie Bravo 22:07 Yeah, like Jaws, you know. Um, Jaws pretty much scared 95% of the population out of the ocean.

Joe Rogan 22:13 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 22:14 Out of the ocean. When the, the odds are-

Joe Rogan 22:16 Well, that, that other guy just got jacked. You heard about that guy that just got jacked in Maui, right?

Eddie Bravo 22:19 By a great white?

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yeah, he got... Well, they don't know what kind of shark got him, but got bit in Maui. I think Maui, that's a lot of tiger sharks, right?

Eddie Bravo 22:25 Yeah, yeah. Surfer? A surfer?

Joe Rogan 22:28 Um, no, I think it was a guy staying in a resort just swimming.

Eddie Bravo 22:31 Hmm. Died?

Joe Rogan 22:33 Dead as fuck.

Eddie Bravo 22:34 They found his body?

Joe Rogan 22:35 They got him. I mean, they brought him back to the beach, but he had horrific wounds and he died.

Eddie Bravo 22:39 God dammit. Just happened?

Joe Rogan 22:40 Yeah, just happened. Yeah, man, sharks are no joke. It's a terrifying animal. And again, if there was a fucking werewolf running around in the woods- (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 22:49 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... like, (laughs) and a werewolf just killed a guy last week, would you go to the woods?

Eddie Bravo 22:53 Yeah, it'd be just like Jaws.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 22:54 If they had it on the news, no. No one would go.

Joe Rogan 22:56 But the thing is that sharks are sharks 24 hours a day, seven days a week. They don't only on full moons become sharks.

Eddie Bravo 23:02 But what about, what about guys that say that that's totally blown out of proportion?

Joe Rogan 23:07 They're right.

Eddie Bravo 23:07 They swi- they swim with sharks, they get in the, in the ocean with sharks. But-

Joe Rogan 23:11 They're right. They're right.

Eddie Bravo 23:13 ... I think the great white is the only one that, uh, I, the divers, those crazy divers don't get in the water with, right?

Joe Rogan 23:20 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 23:20 But I think there was a lady that swam with gr- a great white.

Joe Rogan 23:23 Yeah, there's pictures of her.

Eddie Bravo 23:24 Like a chick, right?

Joe Rogan 23:25 We, we were, we were, um, looking at her Instagram page once, young Jamie. Do you remember that lady? Yeah, man, I don't-

Eddie Bravo 23:32 Is it a tri- is it a trick, like she knows-

Joe Rogan 23:33 She's posting.

Eddie Bravo 23:33 ... she knows if it's pregnant you could go swim with it or something?

Joe Rogan 23:36 Mm-hmm. Maybe.

Eddie Bravo 23:36 You know like, uh, those videos of, of babies playing with king cobras, and then you, you find out that they defang them.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Right.

Eddie Bravo 23:43 So they're, they can't hurt you at all.

Joe Rogan 23:44 They take away their venom sac too, I think, if that h- if they have a thing. I might have made that up.

Eddie Bravo 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:48 What's a venom sac? Is that a real thing? It's a real-

Eddie Bravo 23:51 It's like a nut sac, but filled with poison.

Joe Rogan 23:52 It sounds like I made it up. What is this?

Jamie Vernon 23:54 They have this shark, shark tagged Brunswick the shark. It's a eight foot nine inch white shark that's been s- just recently spotted yesterday or today, I guess, in Ocean C- outside of Ocean City, Maryland.

Joe Rogan 24:04 Oh, yeah?

Jamie Vernon 24:05 Yeah, they, this is the way its Twitter account works. They, like it speaks in the first person.

Joe Rogan 24:09 What?

Jamie Vernon 24:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:10 What if it killed somebody? "I'm sorry, he was tasty."

Jamie Vernon 24:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:13 Are they still gonna keep up the Twitter account if we, we know that shark killed somebody?

Jamie Vernon 24:16 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 24:17 Look, if it gets hungry enough, all these assholes are overfishing the oceans, you overfish the fuck out of those oceans, eventually those sharks, they're gonna turn on each other. You know, that's what's happening with snakes in the Everglades. Do you know about that?

Eddie Bravo 24:29 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Dude, you don't know about the Everglades?

Jamie Vernon 24:32 ... nope.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Anacondas and pythons and shit, mostly pythons.

Jamie Vernon 24:36 Because dudes had them as pets and then they let 'em go?

Joe Rogan 24:38 They let them go. Eddie, they're finding them now, they're 17, 18 feet long.

Jamie Vernon 24:43 Anacondas or pythons?

Joe Rogan 24:44 Pythons.

Jamie Vernon 24:45 Shit.

Joe Rogan 24:45 They're eating alligators. They did a study.

Jamie Vernon 24:48 Oh, they did a video of that?

Joe Rogan 24:49 Oh, yeah, yeah. They have photos of it and there's video. There's video you can watch them eat an alligator.

Jamie Vernon 24:53 In Florida?

Joe Rogan 24:54 In Florida.

Jamie Vernon 24:55 God damn.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yeah. They're giant.

Jamie Vernon 24:57 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 24:57 And they're, they're infested. So they did like a biological survey of the Everglades and they were down, like, 99% in some animals, like deer, 99% marsh hare-

Jamie Vernon 25:09 God.

Joe Rogan 25:10 ... like 98%, 95% raccoons, that kind of shit. They don't see-

Jamie Vernon 25:14 Are there-

Joe Rogan 25:14 ... they don't see anything.

Jamie Vernon 25:15 Are they killing people too?

Joe Rogan 25:16 Oh, they will.

Jamie Vernon 25:17 The pythons?

Joe Rogan 25:17 For sure some fucking rednecks have disappeared.

Jamie Vernon 25:20 And they just don't talk about it?

Joe Rogan 25:21 I guarantee, I guarantee, I guarantee.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 We'll just let that go.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Psh, if you wanted to get rid of somebody man, take them to python country.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 Are they- are they doing anything to control the population of these snakes?

Joe Rogan 25:23 Just swallow your ass. There's not much you can do. Have you ever seen the Everglades?

Jamie Vernon 25:23 You can set up traps, are you kidding?

Joe Rogan 25:23 Dude, show G- show Eddie Bravo-

Jamie Vernon 25:23 Inhale abilities are geniuses with that kind of shit.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They have photos of it and there's video. There's video you can watch them eat an alligator.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 In Florida?

Joe Rogan 25:23 In Florida.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 God damn.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Yeah, they're giant.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 25:23 And they're, they're infested. So they did like a biological survey of the Everglades and they were down like 99% in some animals, like deer, 99% marsh hare.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 God.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Like 98%, 95% raccoons, that kind of shit. They don't see-

Jamie Vernon 25:23 Are there- are they-

Joe Rogan 25:23 ... they don't see anything.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 ... are they killing people too? The pythons?

Joe Rogan 25:23 Oh, they will. For sure some fucking rednecks have disappeared.

Jamie Vernon 25:23 And they just don't talk about it?

Joe Rogan 25:24 I guarantee, I guarantee, I guarantee.

Jamie Vernon 25:24 We'll just let that go.

Joe Rogan 25:24 If you wanted to get rid of somebody man, take them to python country.

Jamie Vernon 25:28 Are they- are they doing anything to control the population of these snakes?

Joe Rogan 25:30 There's not much you can do. Have you ever seen the Everglades?

Jamie Vernon 25:32 You could set up traps. Are you kidding?

Joe Rogan 25:34 Dude, show G- show Eddie Bravo-

Jamie Vernon 25:36 Inhale abilities are from geniuses with that kind of shit.

Joe Rogan 25:38 Oh, there's too many of them.

Jamie Vernon 25:39 There's over 150,000.

25:41 Of what?

25:41 Snakes.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah, there's over 150,000 pythons.

Jamie Vernon 25:44 In the Everglades?

25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 25:45 How do they count?

Joe Rogan 25:46 They, they have rough estimates based on corn- quadrants. So, like, what they'll do is they'll take like... And it's not, it's not 100% accurate, they, unless they tag all of them, in which case they're assholes, they should just kill them. But if you, because they're an invasive species for people who don't know. They're not from Florida at all, so they're just devastating the ecosystem and they're turning on alligators. They're eating alligators now because they've basically run out of everything else to eat. It's, it's a crazy fucking animal. So what they would do is they would take, I would guess, like a chunk of the Everglades, you know like 100 square yards or something like that-

Jamie Vernon 26:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:16 ... and they'd measure the amount.

Jamie Vernon 26:17 You kind of guess, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:17 And then they would do another one, they would, they would do it like several places and then take an average and then calculate all the square footage and that's why there'll be pro or con-

Jamie Vernon 26:26 You would think like hundreds of people would have been killed already.

Joe Rogan 26:29 No, because I don't think that many people, first of all, go in there and I don't think they want to eat people. I think they probably don't know what the fuck a person is, where they see a rabbit or some other shit that probably looks like food. People are wearing clothes. I'm just guessing. I know they do jack people though overseas. There's been horrible videos of guys getting cut out by giant snakes. You've never seen that?

Jamie Vernon 26:49 Yeah, yeah. I've seen that.

Joe Rogan 26:50 That's crazy.

Jamie Vernon 26:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:52 Some poor villager.

Jamie Vernon 26:53 Yeah, woman missing and then they find the snake and they go, "We found her." Like they know they found her.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Yeah. Look at this motherfucker. Bounty hunter kills gargantuan Burmese python, gets 375 bucks and, and earns our undying gratitude.

Jamie Vernon 27:06 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Look at the size of that thing, dude.

Jamie Vernon 27:08 17 and a half feet.

Joe Rogan 27:09 So these things are-

Jamie Vernon 27:09 What part of Florida? What, what, like, uh, like Jacksonville or something?

Joe Rogan 27:12 The Everglades. Wherever the Everglades are.

Jamie Vernon 27:14 North of Miami.

Joe Rogan 27:15 The Everglades is a giant ass swamp.

Jamie Vernon 27:17 On the Gulf side?

27:18 Middle. Like the both sides kind of, depending. It's like a big swamp land.

27:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Show Eddie an overhead view of the Everglades because the Everglades are fucking bananas. One thing that they found that was interesting...

Jamie Vernon 27:30 It's like all that, that green area.

27:32 Yeah, that's shit.

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yeah. So that, all that stuff is dense, dense swamp. That's just monster soup. The tip of the dick of Florida is monster soup. That's what that is. You got some leaves, you got some basil.

Jamie Vernon 27:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:51 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 27:51 You got the, you got these-

Joe Rogan 27:52 Fucking snakes, you got some grass, you got some shit growing out of the ground and you got fucking alligators and snakes in a Aliens versus Predator battle to the death, but in Florida.

Jamie Vernon 28:04 How would, how would, how would Joey describe the Everglades?

Joe Rogan 28:06 Listen cocksucker.

Jamie Vernon 28:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:08 These fucking dirty white people with their stinky feet-

Jamie Vernon 28:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:10 Oh, you want a fucking snake?

Jamie Vernon 28:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:12 Oh, what do you want? Oh, I'm a Wiccan. Get the fuck out of here.

Jamie Vernon 28:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:17 The guy kicks his fucking kid out of the house, the kid can't feed the snake.

Jamie Vernon 28:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:21 Next thing you know, monster soup.

Jamie Vernon 28:24 Shit.

Joe Rogan 28:25 I mean, it really is down to these two super predators battling it out to the death. And right now, I mean, I don't see any pictures of the alligators eating the pythons. Do we have video of alligators eating pythons?

Jamie Vernon 28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 If they're eating each other.

Jamie Vernon 28:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Okay. So I guess it's just-

Jamie Vernon 28:40 Well, that's good at least-

Joe Rogan 28:41 Everybody's eating everybody.

Jamie Vernon 28:42 I'm rooting, I'm rooting for the alligator.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Oh, Jesus Christ man. That thing's got a whole deer in its body.

Jamie Vernon 28:45 Is this Florida?

28:47 Yeah. It's the same article.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Jesus Christ man, they can swallow a whole deer. That is so nuts.

Jamie Vernon 28:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:55 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 28:55 Damn.

Joe Rogan 28:56 They're not even as wide as us. Imagine not being as wide as a person and you can swallow a whole deer. It says it followed... It had a 35 pound white-tailed fawn in it. It was eating 111% or 11.1%.

Jamie Vernon 29:10 No, no. 111%.

Joe Rogan 29:12 What?

Jamie Vernon 29:12 It was a 31 pound snake eating a 35 pound deer.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Oh my God.

Jamie Vernon 29:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:17 Oh my God.

Jamie Vernon 29:19 Yeah, they don't give a fuck. They're just eating.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Oh, I didn't read that part.

Jamie Vernon 29:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Oh my God, that is so ridiculous. Yeah, they can eat their whole body weight.

Jamie Vernon 29:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:24 But did you ever see that, you've seen that... We showed that video of the frog or it... Was it a frog or a toad that ate the mouse?

Jamie Vernon 29:31 Sure.

Joe Rogan 29:32 The mouse is bigger than him, bro. He just fucking eats it. He just... I didn't know that toads did that. I had no idea.

Jamie Vernon 29:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 29:39 This video, there's like the little wow... white mouse is in this cage just like looking around with this frog and this frog just like slowly comes close to him, slowly comes closer and then swap, slump, just half his body. And you see this mouse trying to kick and get the fuck out of there and the frog just like slowly just chokes him down.

Jamie Vernon 29:58 Mm, I had no idea.

Joe Rogan 29:59 I thought they just ate insects. That's what I thought too. They, they figured it out.

Jamie Vernon 30:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:05 See, if, if people believe in evolution, right? I believe in evolution. If people believe in evolution, why do we think it stops with us? Why don't we think these goddamn frogs are gonna take over? Maybe like one of the first, the first signs of it was this Pepe the Frog controversy on the internet. Maybe it's shots fired, things to come.

Jamie Vernon 30:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:25 These frogs are gonna start eating meat now.

Jamie Vernon 30:26 The Trump frog?

Joe Rogan 30:27 Maybe these frogs are eating meat, that's what's going on.

Jamie Vernon 30:30 How did that start?

Joe Rogan 30:30 They're just gonna get smarter.

Jamie Vernon 30:31 Pepe the Frog, was, was that around before Trump?

Joe Rogan 30:34 You got it, Jimmy?What is this, Jamie? Oh, I've seen this.

Eddie Bravo 30:37 The frog has a snake in its mouth and the snake's fucking-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 30:39 ... attacking a cat.

Jamie Vernon 30:41 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Oh, the cat comes over to s- to swat the fucking snake.

Jamie Vernon 30:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:44 Cats are ruthless, bro. Cats are ruthless.

Jamie Vernon 30:51 It's just a compilation of frogs eating shit.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Well, there's one that's, like, super specific that I found on-

Eddie Bravo 30:58 See how he used his hand?

Joe Rogan 30:59 That, that might be it.

Eddie Bravo 31:00 You see how he used his hand to stuff that worm?

Joe Rogan 31:01 Look at this one.

Jamie Vernon 31:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Here's one. It's ... Oh, the, they're only showing part of it.

Jamie Vernon 31:05 It's just, it's a bunch of shit.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Like, look how he, he gets that whole mouse in his mouth.

Jamie Vernon 31:09 Damn.

Joe Rogan 31:10 This isn't even the same one, so there must be multiple videos of ... I guess that's a toad. Is that a frog or a toad?

Jamie Vernon 31:18 I honestly do not know the difference in that one, but since it's a frog-

Joe Rogan 31:20 I think frogs are, like, green.

Eddie Bravo 31:21 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 31:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 Frogs live in water, right? And toads hang out in the, the grass, right?

Jamie Vernon 31:28 Toads.

Eddie Bravo 31:29 I think they ... Hmm. When I was in Costa Rica, the first night, I was, I was in ... I went with a bunch of friends and they had this mansion, dude, right there in the jungle.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Oh, we talked about that. I remember that. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 31:40 Yeah. And, and the first night, I doused my whole b- ... I knew the bugs were gonna come out. So, I was ... When we got there, I'm like, "Oh, my God. I'm gonna get attacked by bugs."

Jamie Vernon 31:50 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 31:50 So, I da- ... I went to the neighborhood store and bought all their Off! and just used it like, like mousse all over my body. And we sat, we were sitting there as the sun, uh, set. We were at the pool and there was, like, 10 of us at the pool. And as the sun was setting, all these frogs just appeared outta nowhere. It was scary.

Jamie Vernon 32:09 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 32:09 And the guy that lived there said, "Trust me. Don't be scared. They're gonna be your friends." I'm like, "What do you mean?" He goes, "Trust me. We're gonna need them." I go, "For the bugs?" He goes, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 32:18 Oh, my God.

Eddie Bravo 32:18 So, when the sun went down, we're, we're, we're at a pool-

Jamie Vernon 32:21 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 32:21 ... in this Jay-Z-type mansion at a pool in the middle of the jungle. And there's all these frogs everywhere and then the bugs started coming. You never saw the same bug twice.

Jamie Vernon 32:31 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 32:31 And it was like Braveheart, dude. They were ... All these frogs are just ... You just see them attacking these bugs. It was, it was, uh, like a d- a war.

Jamie Vernon 32:39 Jesus Christ.

Eddie Bravo 32:39 It was crazy and the bugs lost, dude.

Jamie Vernon 32:42 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 32:42 The bugs lost.

Joe Rogan 32:42 The frogs jacked the bugs?

Eddie Bravo 32:44 Dude, like, like, like those White Walkers, dude. They fucked them up, dude.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Wow, that's an amazing video.

Eddie Bravo 32:48 It was very entertaining. It was very entertaining. We were just sitting there going, "Holy shit. Get those bugs. Fuck those bugs up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:55 Why doesn't someone make a documentary about that?

Eddie Bravo 32:57 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 32:58 The war. The daily war in the jungle.

Eddie Bravo 33:01 When the bugs come out, fucking frogs eat.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Wow, bugs and frogs. What a, what a weird place to choose to put a mansion. And I get you wanna b- be able to scream-

Eddie Bravo 33:12 Well-

Joe Rogan 33:12 ... and not, not get in trouble.

Eddie Bravo 33:13 ... one thing I learned (laughs) ... One thing I learned about that trip-

Joe Rogan 33:15 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 33:16 ... is there's ... The people that like that shit are the, the people that will ... Like, they'll see a tarantula and then pick it up and go, and try to scare you with it-

Joe Rogan 33:23 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 33:23 ... and then they'll fucking eat it or whatever. Like, you have to be one of those people, like ... You know, people like me who are scared of bugs, uh, I, I'm not a d- jungle guy. I'm a snow guy. I wanna g- ... I just went to Lake Tahoe, we went to Squaw Valley. That's my shit.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 33:38 Snow, too cold for any bugs. The jungle, if I never go to another jungle ever, I wouldn't give a shit. I had a horrible time that, uh, the last time I was in a jungle.

Joe Rogan 33:47 Brian Cowan had a similar story about when he was trying to be a bug scientist. What, what's that called?

Eddie Bravo 33:52 Fuck a jungle.

Joe Rogan 33:52 What'd you tryna be?

Jamie Vernon 33:53 Entomologist, I think, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 An entomologist. And he was (laughs) hanging out in the, in the jungle with these people and they had to put turpentine-

Eddie Bravo 33:59 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 33:59 ... on the posts of the, like, the platform with the tent sat on.

Eddie Bravo 34:02 For the ants?

Joe Rogan 34:03 Yeah, 'cause the ants would be marching through the jungle.

Eddie Bravo 34:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:05 He said you could hear them walking. You could hear them.

Eddie Bravo 34:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:09 You could hear the ants. There's so many of you who could hear 'em. (hisses)

Jamie Vernon 34:11 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 34:11 Fuck that shit.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Boop, boop. Fuuuuuck that.

Eddie Bravo 34:13 Fuck a jungle, dude.

Jamie Vernon 34:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 Fuck a jungle. That's why if you have to choose between cold or, or, uh, unbearable heat-

Eddie Bravo 34:22 I'd always choose cold.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 34:24 Always.

Joe Rogan 34:24 The thing about cold is, it's like, you can get warm, you know? When you're hot, you can't really get cool. It's hard. You can get cool in your house. But you could start a fire in your house and you just wear warm clothes outside and you just live smart.

Eddie Bravo 34:39 Yeah, no bugs.

Joe Rogan 34:40 It's like, the, the challenges of l- ... It's interesting when you look at, like, population in the world. Because in this country at least, not the world, but in this country, all the places where it gets really cold, population gets limited. Like, it's only gonna get so big. But when things are like sweet, real nice, like especially like LA, like woo, people just pile in. But I guess New York's the argument against that 'cause New York's-

Jamie Vernon 35:01 Phenix, though, it's opposite. It's like super hot there. It melts everybody.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Yeah, but people like to party down there.

Jamie Vernon 35:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:06 You like to party?

Eddie Bravo 35:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:07 You ... (laughs) If you like to party, you go to Phenix? You go, "Man, this is where I live. I live in Phenix. Open carry state, the fucking sheriff Arpiro makes everybody wear pink underwear and pink jumpsuits and shit. It's a crazy state."

Eddie Bravo 35:18 I thi- I think if you look at where people live, I think generally speaking, white people like cold and, and darker people like the heat.

Joe Rogan 35:28 (clears throat)

Eddie Bravo 35:29 It seems that way. 'Cause if you look at the North Pole-

Joe Rogan 35:31 Genetically.

Eddie Bravo 35:32 ... and all the ... If you look at the North Pole, looking down on it-

Joe Rogan 35:34 (clears throat)

Eddie Bravo 35:35 ... all the surrounding countries, they're all white.

Joe Rogan 35:37 Right. But you know why, right?

Eddie Bravo 35:39 'Cause they wanna be next to the n- ... They wanna be close to the North Pole.

Jamie Vernon 35:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:42 Is, is, is that why? They wanna be Santa's first stop?

Eddie Bravo 35:44 Hey, there's, there's a, uh, it's supposedly a magical place, the North Pole.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Well, it's because they don't get any vitamin D up there because it's hot as fuck where they're from and sunny where they're from originally. And then as people migrated and got to these northern climates, their skin became paler and paler like, uh, l- like a solar panel for vitamin D. That's where you get it. You get it from the sun. So, because they don't get much vitamin D because there's no fucking sun out, it's cold as shit and it's cloudy in England and Ireland and all these places-

Eddie Bravo 36:18 Norway.

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... where people are really, really white. It's fucking cloudy all the time, man. It's cold as fuck. So, you're not getting that vitamin D. Plus, your whole body's covered in fucking minks and animal skins and shit.... that's why they're all white. They're all from the same thing, that's what's weird about it. But there's also some, some growing evidence that there was a whole gang of different kinds of people. They're finding these new Russian people called Denisovans. They found bones of them, so they think there was, like, maybe a bunch of other versions of human beings that we just lost in time. And then you're gonna probably find that as people, like, get further and further into DNA testing, they'll find more and more different versions of people and people.

Eddie Bravo 36:56 There's s- supposedly a lost empire in Russia called Tardia.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Ooh.

Eddie Bravo 37:00 You ever heard about that?

Joe Rogan 37:01 No.

Eddie Bravo 37:02 Yeah. It's, it's supposedly erased from all history for-

Joe Rogan 37:06 Ooh.

Eddie Bravo 37:06 ... different, uh, reasons. Um, I don't really know that much about it, but it keeps popping up on YouTube. Like the Lost-

Joe Rogan 37:11 If I was a juvenile, I would make a joke about the, the name of it.

Eddie Bravo 37:14 Tardia?

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah. I would make a joke.

Eddie Bravo 37:17 What would you say?

Joe Rogan 37:18 I'd say something terrible.

Eddie Bravo 37:19 Like what?

Joe Rogan 37:20 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 37:21 Tardia. Tardia. I can't think of anything.

Joe Rogan 37:23 Wonder Why they didn't make it.

Eddie Bravo 37:25 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Um, that guy, Graham Hancock, who wrote that book? Did you ever listen to that podcast that I did with him recently?

Eddie Bravo 37:32 Not the recent one.

Joe Rogan 37:33 Dude, he was talking about the Amazon, and that hidden civilizations that were at one point in time in the Amazon, then European settlers, or European explorers, rather, came there and gave 'em smallpox. And it burned through the entire fucking population, just like it burned through the Native Americans. Same deal, it just wiped out these huge cities. People just abandoned these huge cities. And he was saying that at one point in time, they think as much as 20 million people were living in the Amazon.

Eddie Bravo 37:56 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:57 And they had these really big, established cities. So now, they're using this stuff called Lidar. It's like light, like laser, that they shoot from a fucking plane, and they make maps of the jungle.

Eddie Bravo 38:08 They're finding cities?

Joe Rogan 38:09 They're finding cities.

Eddie Bravo 38:09 Buried cities?

Joe Rogan 38:10 Dude, it's crazy.

Eddie Bravo 38:12 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 38:12 It's amazing to watch, because the first European explorers, when they went to the Amazon, according to Graham Hancock in his book, which is called America Before, um, the first European explorers, when they came to the Amazon, they were like, "Oh my God, this is incredible. These, they have these massive cities and sophisticated culture," and they wrote back about it. Then when people came back hundreds of years later, everything was gone. It was all just engulfed by the jungle, because all the people died off after the fucking European, uh, explorers came. So, the European explorers came, they spread their diseases. They came, I don't know how many boats over how much time, they wrote things about it, and then everybody fucking died. They died like a, just a, like a haunted curse, like they brought a curse to a place. And then the jungle overcame the city and grew through the pillars of the floor, and just took over. And now they're finding it through all this new sophisticated technology where they could scan through the trees and just get images of what the, the ground looks like. And then they take this image of the ground and you can see these grids, see buildings-

Eddie Bravo 39:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:17 It's crazy.

Eddie Bravo 39:17 It's amazing-

Joe Rogan 39:17 The irrigations.

Eddie Bravo 39:19 ... that they could survive in the jungle with all that fungus and bacteria-

Joe Rogan 39:24 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 39:24 ... and viruses-

Joe Rogan 39:25 Dude.

Eddie Bravo 39:25 ... and bugs and all that shit, but smallpox takes 'em out.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Smallpox jacked 'em.

Eddie Bravo 39:31 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 39:31 They weren't ready for it. They didn't have... Well, it's probably not just smallpox.

Eddie Bravo 39:35 How do they know, how do they kn-

Joe Rogan 39:35 It was probably a gang of diseases that the... I mean, smallpox for sure killed a lot of people during that time period, so they assume it was smallpox. And smallpox most likely was one of the diseases, but I bet they gave them a bunch of other diseases too. These fucking people had no immune system for any of the shit the Europeans were running over there. Just... And I bet the same thing would happen if someone from there went to, to Europe. I bet they have some weird parasites and weird shit that if they could somehow... I mean, I guess. You could imagine, like, people that live in the jungle m- must be exposed to certain parasites or certain, certain diseases or germs that they don't get in Europe either.

Eddie Bravo 40:11 For sure.

Joe Rogan 40:11 Transferring 'em back and forth like that, probably wouldn't ha... Like, if they went and visited, like a giant ship full of Amazonians-

Eddie Bravo 40:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:18 ... went to visit Europe, they probably would've given 'em some strange disease too.

Eddie Bravo 40:21 Yeah, like, dude, can you imagine?

Joe Rogan 40:23 I wonder if those guys brought anything back? I wonder if they got anything from the Amazon people and brought it back?

Eddie Bravo 40:28 Vaginal parasites.

Joe Rogan 40:29 How dare you?

Eddie Bravo 40:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:30 I can't believe you went there, man.

Eddie Bravo 40:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:33 That's fucked up.

Eddie Bravo 40:33 Imagine the kind of sexual diseases they had in the Amazon-

Joe Rogan 40:36 Oh, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 40:36 ... that they were immune to, that Europeans were, like, just dying from.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Wow, the funk.

Eddie Bravo 40:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:40 Imagine what everybody smelled like-

Eddie Bravo 40:41 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 40:42 ... what their assholes must've smelled like.

Eddie Bravo 40:43 Dude. And, like, coral growing on their dicks.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Ugh. There was no deodorant. They probably didn't use soap. And you probably got used to it. You know, they say people are used to smells. You get... That's why people that live in those towns where they have a factory and everything smells like chicken shit or something like that-

Eddie Bravo 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... those people get used to it. When you drive through it-

Eddie Bravo 41:00 Or when you're at, when you're on the 405 and you pass by that Budweiser plant-

Joe Rogan 41:03 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 41:03 ... it smells like, it has that weird-

Joe Rogan 41:05 Like almost fried.

Eddie Bravo 41:06 Wh- yeah. Like, what is that shit?

Joe Rogan 41:07 Like weird fried food or something.

Eddie Bravo 41:08 Yeah. And you-

Joe Rogan 41:09 Like what is that?

Eddie Bravo 41:09 And you drive into San Pedro and it sa- smells like the sewer. You know, when you're on the-

Joe Rogan 41:14 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 41:15 ... the 710 or the 110.

Joe Rogan 41:16 There's, there's certain places, there's certain places where you, you... Like, in New Jersey, when I was a kid, I remember there was areas that you'd go by that had factories. And you could see the fucking smoke coming out of the factory. They were just spewing it, it wa- and you, it would stink, the whole fucking city would stink. And if you lived there, that, you just had to accept that. You know, if you lived there, there's no fixing that. That's just what the town smelled like.

Eddie Bravo 41:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:39 That was your reality.

Eddie Bravo 41:40 That's crazy. Amazing. What do you think of, um, 5G and all that scare? Do you think that's legit?

Joe Rogan 41:46 I'm terrified of air, all that shit.

Eddie Bravo 41:48 Scary, huh?

Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah, because-

Eddie Bravo 41:49 That's, dude-

Joe Rogan 41:50 ... how much long-term testing have they done? N- zero or negative numbers? Like, are they turning people off-

Eddie Bravo 41:55 Dude, they're putting 'em, they're putting 'em... Do you, is that what d- uh, when, when, when I'm driving around with my family, my wife is obsessed with recognizing plates. She's always calling out Florida, Oregon. She's, her and my son, they got a little game they play, they're always looking at the plates. I'm always looking at cellphone towers and satellite dishes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:14 Ah, paranoia.

Eddie Bravo 42:14 I'm always, like they're... Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 42:16 Uh, all satellite dishes-... point to the southeast for some reason or other. And that's what I always check on.

Joe Rogan 42:22 All of them?

Eddie Bravo 42:22 They don't p- point to the north. In Southern California, that is.

Joe Rogan 42:25 But that's just DirecTV satellite.

Eddie Bravo 42:26 That's all satellites.

Joe Rogan 42:27 That's 'cause that's where it's-

Eddie Bravo 42:28 All satellites.

Joe Rogan 42:28 But every satellite dish-

Eddie Bravo 42:29 Satellite dishes.

Joe Rogan 42:30 ... it's pointing to the south? I mean, for a consumer, consumer satellite dishes?

Eddie Bravo 42:32 Every satellite dish that I've seen, I- I'm obsessed with them.

Joe Rogan 42:36 Yeah, they're everywhere.

Eddie Bravo 42:36 They're always point, they never point to the north. They're always pointing southeast.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Right.

Eddie Bravo 42:40 All of them.

Joe Rogan 42:41 The great majority of satellite dishes that you see are probably DirecTV or another one, Dish.

Eddie Bravo 42:47 No, yeah, for sure. Most of, I've noticed all of them, all of them. But you go, um, it's- it's crazy. I don't know why. I don't know why. But also those, uh, cellphone towers. I was on this website called, um, uh, smartmetersmurder.com.

Joe Rogan 43:01 Smart Meters Murder?

Eddie Bravo 43:02 Dot com.

Joe Rogan 43:02 Say that 10 times fast.

Eddie Bravo 43:03 (laughs) I was trying to remember. It's smartmetersmurder.com.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Smart Meters Murder.

Eddie Bravo 43:06 Dude, you wanna get your fucking head blown off? Go to that website and read the documents that they're pulling from different agencies, dude. Scary.

Joe Rogan 43:16 What are you talking about?

Eddie Bravo 43:17 Scary. I, uh...

Joe Rogan 43:18 That weed is kicking in, son.

Eddie Bravo 43:19 You know what? You're gonna have to go check that shit out.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Okay.

Eddie Bravo 43:22 But it's like on 5G. But back from, back from ... There are documents from government agencies-

Joe Rogan 43:28 Right.

Eddie Bravo 43:28 ... from 2001, July 2001. It's like this whole, uh, I don't know how big, like 400-page plan for the world. It's a plan for the world. They're talking about-

Joe Rogan 43:39 Can we talk about who wrote this plan? The way you're holding that-

Eddie Bravo 43:41 Here.

Joe Rogan 43:42 While you do it, it is quite hilarious. It's the perfect, like if someone was talking about a conspiracy theory and they had a blunt and they were just like in a full bore conspiracy talk-

Eddie Bravo 43:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:52 ... while they're holding a joint.

Eddie Bravo 43:53 It's so scary, dude, that I don't even wanna talk about it. Let's change the subject.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 43:56 You know, if you wanna look into it, go to smartmeters.com, uh, smartmetersmurder.com. But it's scary, dude.

Joe Rogan 44:02 I have read-

Eddie Bravo 44:02 I don't even wanna talk about it.

Joe Rogan 44:03 I have read things where people are questioning the h- the like whether or not 5G is going to be healthy. But I haven't r- seen anything that verifies that it is or it isn't. I haven't seen anything that says it's-

Eddie Bravo 44:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:15 I need to look into it. But, but just in the... What I'm worried, all told, is that I really think that Wi-Fi signals, all the various signals that surround us all the time, I think they have an effect on us. And I don't know what that effect is. I don't know if it's negative or positive. I don't know if it, it, it, it dulls the senses. It's entirely possible that it does something to dull the senses, because it occupies an area ... I mean, if, if we have the ca- capability of recognizing the fact that there, that there's these signals around us all the time, cellular signals, radio signals, satellite signals, we're surrounded constantly by signals, are we absolutely sure that our body doesn't have the capacity to recognize those signals? Even though we don't have like a really clear method of taking those signals in and then translating them into visuals or into audio. But because we can't take that serious satellite signal and then t- and then have like a player in our head, because of that, we assume that we're not taking it in-

Eddie Bravo 45:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:17 ... in some way.

Eddie Bravo 45:18 That's what these, that's what this, uh, uh, report, I'll call it-

Joe Rogan 45:21 Let me just, let me-

Eddie Bravo 45:22 ... is about. It's about, that it has that-

Joe Rogan 45:23 But this is why I say this, this is why I say this. Because when I feel the- the least foggy is when I'm in the woods, when I'm in the mountains, when there's no cellphone service. There's no radio service. There's no Wi-Fi. There- there ain't shit up there.

Eddie Bravo 45:38 It's weird how satellites don't work when someone's in the woods, but go ahead.

Joe Rogan 45:41 No, no, no. Satellites do work. You can actually get a dish.

Eddie Bravo 45:43 But not in the bush though. Not in the bush.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Not in the bush. You get a dish, you put it on the roof of your car. You can watch T- It's a new thing that Steve Rinella actually-

Eddie Bravo 45:48 But don't our phones work on satellites?

Joe Rogan 45:50 No.

Eddie Bravo 45:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Phones work on cell towers.

Eddie Bravo 45:51 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:52 But the GPS works on satellites.

Eddie Bravo 45:53 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:53 So your phone still works as a GPS unit when you're in the woods, even if you don't have any signal.

Eddie Bravo 45:58 So-

Joe Rogan 45:58 So you can find your way out with a map. If your phone was on-

Eddie Bravo 46:01 You know, there's people that say the GSP, the GPS, GSP (laughs) . The GPS is also run by the towers too. They don't need to go into space, that you could triangulate your position, uh, from towers alone. But that's just a conspiracy theory.

Joe Rogan 46:12 Well, you probably could tryi- triangulate your position from towers. But you couldn't broadcast to such a gigantic area like you can with satellites. You can see satellites. The people that think that satellites aren't real, they need to talk to someone who makes satellites. They, they're there. You can see them with telescopes. They're up there. We- we- we have the ability to tune into the very specific spot in the sky with a DirecTV and you'll pick up the signal. That's how you get the signal. You tune to the spot in the sky where the satellite is and you pick up the signal. They're real. People have a- a problem with fucking everything that's ever existed. Everything. Everything is fake. Everything is fake. People think that reality-

Eddie Bravo 46:49 Most, most of the, most of it is.

Joe Rogan 46:50 ... is fake. How many people think that we're living in a simulation? Really, really fucking smart people think it.

Eddie Bravo 46:55 That's okay.

Joe Rogan 46:56 It's all right.

Eddie Bravo 46:56 That's okay. That- that isn't crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Dude, we-

Eddie Bravo 46:58 Tha- that's the craziest thing about all conspiracy theories. Like people that, um, uh, are not on that side. There's the conspiracy theorists side, and then there's the people way on the other side. Those motherfuckers are totally into, "Man, we live in a computer." That is hilarious. That's not logical. That's illogical.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Well, the- the- the reason why they think that is 'cause someday there's going to be a program-

Eddie Bravo 47:23 But there's no proof though.

Joe Rogan 47:24 ... that's going to be able ... Uh, you're right.

Eddie Bravo 47:24 Hey, it may be true. It may be true. Maybe we do live in a computer.

Joe Rogan 47:27 Right.

Eddie Bravo 47:27 But dude, there's no evidence.

Joe Rogan 47:29 No, there's no evidence, but-

Eddie Bravo 47:30 And in these conspiracy theories though, if you look into each one individually, damn, may- m- maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but there's actual evidence. Is it enough evidence to prove it one way or another? Who knows? But don't talk shit on-

Joe Rogan 47:44 But it's not the same people.

Eddie Bravo 47:45 ... on, like government conspiracy. It's, dude, i- I've never heard, I've never heard anybody like, uh-

Joe Rogan 47:50 But it's easy to categorize people like that.

Eddie Bravo 47:52 No, but-

Joe Rogan 47:52 The same people that believe this, believe that.

Eddie Bravo 47:54 No, no. No, but people, what I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 47:55 We haven't done any surveys.

Eddie Bravo 47:55 No, no. Okay. For sure, I haven't done any servi- surveys. This is all based on the people that I come in contact with. Dude, I c- I w- I would say, peop- you know, 80% of my students, they're, they're not conspiracy theorists. They don't even think about it. They're just like regular people. They don't, they- they don't, uh, they don't concern themselves with it.

Joe Rogan 48:13 Right.

Eddie Bravo 48:13 You know what I mean? They think it's amusing that I'm into it, but they're not into it.

Joe Rogan 48:16 That's hilarious.

Eddie Bravo 48:17 You know what I mean? But those same people-... when you're t- and say, "Dude, do you, y- y- you, you know, Elon Musk says that we might live in a computer." And everyone's like, "It may be true. But dude, there's zero evidence of that. That we live in that fucking computer."

Joe Rogan 48:30 What was the evidence?

Eddie Bravo 48:31 Where's the evidence?

Joe Rogan 48:32 What did, what did someone, someone p- proposed some sort of theory that proves that life is a hologram. Well, it wasn't a hologram, that life is a simulation.

Eddie Bravo 48:41 Someone proved to that?

Joe Rogan 48:42 'Cause I'm like- Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 48:42 I'd like to see that.

Joe Rogan 48:43 It's, I, I tried reading this book, The Holographic Universe, but I, I didn't get into it. Maybe I should read it.

Eddie Bravo 48:47 I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just saying there's j- that there's-

Joe Rogan 48:49 No, I know.

Eddie Bravo 48:50 ... no evidence of that.

Joe Rogan 48:50 But what I'm saying is, it might not be the same fucking people-

Eddie Bravo 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:53 ... that you're talking about.

Eddie Bravo 48:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 That do or don't believe. But people definitely get rigid.

Eddie Bravo 48:57 It's cool to believe that. You could talk to people like, "E- you know, Elon Musk said it." It's coo-

Joe Rogan 49:00 Right.

Eddie Bravo 49:00 It's like a cool thing.

Joe Rogan 49:01 Right.

Eddie Bravo 49:01 Like y- y- you know-

Joe Rogan 49:03 Yeah, you feel like-

Eddie Bravo 49:03 ... you could be way on the left.

Joe Rogan 49:04 ... conspiracy.

Eddie Bravo 49:04 You could be way, and just like, "Oh yeah, we might live in a computer, man." It's interesting. That's, that's f- fascinating to me.

Joe Rogan 49:11 I think the reason why they say that is because one day, we will. And we all know it. We all know it. We all know that one day, you could be in something that's as ridiculous as what you're experiencing right now, and it could be a simulation.

Eddie Bravo 49:24 Yes. Yes, but th- they believe th- th-

Joe Rogan 49:28 That it's already happened.

Eddie Bravo 49:29 Yeah, well, already in a computer.

Joe Rogan 49:30 But they might not, they might not necessarily believe it, but they're entertaining the idea.

Eddie Bravo 49:32 That's what the theory is.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Yeah, but here it comes. No, no.

Eddie Bravo 49:34 We might, we might be in a computer simulation.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 49:36 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 49:37 But the theory is, the key-

Eddie Bravo 49:37 We, we might be living in a computer simulation.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah, the keyword-

Eddie Bravo 49:39 Maybe, maybe.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 49:40 I'm not saying we don't, I'm just saying, dude, there's no evidence of that.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Right. But the keyword's might.

Eddie Bravo 49:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:45 So, to just explore an idea, like are we living in a simulation doesn't mean you believe it.

Eddie Bravo 49:49 I see nothing wrong with that.

Joe Rogan 49:51 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 49:51 That's what I'm talking about. That's like a conspiracy theor- that should be one of the, you should lump i- it's logical to lump that in with all those, like 9/11 conspiracies. Like, 9/11 for instance, there's lots of evidence that it was an inside job. But that's a crazy conspiracy to most people. But there, if you look into it, there's scientif-, there's science supports that it was an inside job.

Joe Rogan 50:11 But then science-

Eddie Bravo 50:12 Science does.

Joe Rogan 50:13 ... disputes that.

Eddie Bravo 50:13 No, but there's still-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Then there's other scientists-

Eddie Bravo 50:14 But still, there's evidence.

Joe Rogan 50:15 ... that dispute it.

Eddie Bravo 50:16 There's, no, no, for sure, but there's evidence. Right? I'm not saying-

Joe Rogan 50:18 But what is-

Eddie Bravo 50:18 ... whether it's true or not, I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 50:19 And I don't wanna go into a 911, uh, inside job conversation-

Eddie Bravo 50:22 No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just-

Joe Rogan 50:23 ... because it would eat up my whole day.

Eddie Bravo 50:24 ... I'm just using that, I'm just using that as an example. Like, as a, that's a crazy conspiracy theory. But there's a lot of evidence, whether it's true or not, who knows? You know what I mean? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:34 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 50:34 Um, I think it was an inside job. But a lot of people don't, and whatever. But there's zero evidence of us living in a computer simulation.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Right. But we're not talking about the same people. It might not be the same people that believe one or the other.

Eddie Bravo 50:46 They're different people.

Joe Rogan 50:46 You're lumping them together.

Eddie Bravo 50:47 No, no, no, no, no. I'm not lump- I'm, there are diff-, they're different people.

Joe Rogan 50:50 But I, I know, but the people that don't wanna believe that and don't wanna look at the evidence, I'm saying, aren't necessarily the same exact people as the people that believe we're in a simulation.

Eddie Bravo 50:57 You're right. You're right. I have, there's no poll on it, I haven't taken a poll.

Joe Rogan 51:01 I know.

Eddie Bravo 51:01 I'm just going based on-

Joe Rogan 51:02 You're just connecting it to 911.

Eddie Bravo 51:03 I'm just, y-

Joe Rogan 51:03 You just went, you wanted to talk about it, so you-

Eddie Bravo 51:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... got us into it. That's, that's-

Eddie Bravo 51:07 Yeah, we don't have to talk about 911. I was just using that as an-

Joe Rogan 51:09 I get it.

Eddie Bravo 51:09 ... example.

Joe Rogan 51:10 I know what you're saying.

Eddie Bravo 51:11 You know, um-

Joe Rogan 51:11 People believe weird shit. They definitely do.

Eddie Bravo 51:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Like, like, the people that really wanna believe in Bigfoot, or the people that really wanna believe in UFOs.

Eddie Bravo 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Like, UFOs are coming back right now. Everybody's talking about UFOs.

Eddie Bravo 51:20 Dude, they're stronger than ever.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Bigger than ever.

Eddie Bravo 51:21 Stronger than ever. That should tell you something.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Dave Foley's hooked. Dave Foley, from Newsradio? Remember Dave Foley?

Eddie Bravo 51:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Hooked. We, he, we text each other almost exclusively about UFO evidence. (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 51:33 Dude.

Joe Rogan 51:34 He recommends documentaries.

Eddie Bravo 51:34 You know me, dude. You know me, dude. I was the biggest-

Joe Rogan 51:37 What's this?

Jamie Vernon 51:37 This was on The New York Times a couple days ago.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Oh, wow.

Eddie Bravo 51:40 Dude.

Joe Rogan 51:40 What is that? Navy pilots report unidentified flying objects. (sniffs) Here's the thing though. (smacks lips) We don't know what kind of shit the Chinese have figured out. We don't know what kind of shit the Russians have figured out. We assume that we know, 'cause, but we didn't, we didn't let them know about the stealth bomber or any of the crazy shit that they were building in Area 51. We didn't let them know.

Eddie Bravo 52:02 Dude, you know me. I was balls deep into the UFO community, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:05 I know.

Eddie Bravo 52:05 My tat-, the first tattoo I got is I got an alien on my left arm.

Joe Rogan 52:09 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 52:09 In an Egyptian garb.

Joe Rogan 52:11 I was with you. I was with you.

Eddie Bravo 52:11 I was, I was into fucking ancient Egypt, the conspiracy side of the ancient Egypt. There's the mainstream Egyptology. I was into the, the, "Oh, look what Graham Hancock is saying," and UFOs.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Mm-hmm. So fun.

Eddie Bravo 52:23 Balls deep.

Joe Rogan 52:24 That stuff's so fun.

Eddie Bravo 52:24 I thought, there's so much proof in my head, there was so much proof that the government was trying to cover up. Look, then why are they covering it up? Why are they covering it up? Um, look at all these guys, they're from, pilots from the Air Force are saying they saw UFOs. Pilots from the Navy are saying they saw UFOs. Dudes from the Pentagon. It's gotta be true. That's a dude, that's a dude, that's a CIA pilot. He's saying it. So, when you're, when you're balls deep and you really wanna believe it, you look at it that way. You're like, "Look, there's all these government officials saying they saw UFOs."

Joe Rogan 52:53 Right.

Eddie Bravo 52:53 "And they got their own UFO story." You know? And then, um, you know, you listen to Bill Cooper, and, and he was former, uh, Office of Naval Intelligence officer. And, you know, and, and when you hear what he says, shit. He wrote that book Behold the Pale White Horse. He-

Joe Rogan 53:10 Yeah, but that guy said crazy shit. He said there's a base on the moon.

Eddie Bravo 53:13 Not that guy. That's, you're talk-

Joe Rogan 53:14 That's Behold a Pale White Horse.

Eddie Bravo 53:15 He said there's a base on the moon?

Joe Rogan 53:17 Yes. Yes.

Eddie Bravo 53:18 No, he, at first-

Joe Rogan 53:20 Didn't he?

Eddie Bravo 53:20 At first, no, you're talking about, uh-

Joe Rogan 53:23 I, no, I think he did.

Eddie Bravo 53:24 ... uh, Lear. You're talking about that guy.

Joe Rogan 53:25 No, no, no, no, no.

Eddie Bravo 53:26 Bob Lazar's friend.

Joe Rogan 53:27 That guy's, that guy's crazy too, right?

Eddie Bravo 53:28 Totally. Totally.

Joe Rogan 53:29 What does that guy say?

Eddie Bravo 53:30 He says that, um, there's millions of people on each planet, and they're all, every planet has millions of people.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Is he the guy that owns Skinwalker Ranch?

Eddie Bravo 53:39 I don't know, but he was a part of, his dad owned Learjet.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Right. Right.

Eddie Bravo 53:44 Uh, I forget what his first name is.

Joe Rogan 53:46 That dude seems like a super rich troll.

Eddie Bravo 53:48 (laughs) Totally.

Joe Rogan 53:49 When he says (laughs) , when he says the crazy shit he says, I'm like, "This guy's having a good time fucking with people."

Eddie Bravo 53:53 Yeah, totally, totally. But Bill Cooper says that, um, because his job was to prepare, uh, notes, top secret notes, classified shit, it, for meetings with high level people-

Joe Rogan 54:07 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 54:08 ... in the military. And he was, b- based on what he was reading, he was like, "Damn, UFOs are real. Look. I have proof." So at first, he was like, "For sure UFOs are real, and for sure they're hiding them." That's what he was saying, he was preaching that.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 54:23 Then he learned later, they let him whistle blow. He never got busted for whistle blowing. That they w-, they want him...... they wanted him to leak that UFO.

Joe Rogan 54:31 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 54:31 That's what his conclusion was. He started to realize, "Wait a minute, they want me to leak this." And then he, he, he got to the point where he believes that all UFO abductions, like all, like the, he believed that, um, everything was, uh, a product of the government, all UFO sightings, abductions-

Joe Rogan 54:51 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 54:52 ... they're taking you in. It's, he, he believes it's like the CIA doing that shit.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 54:56 And he was, that's what he was really about before.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Well, let me ask you this.

Eddie Bravo 54:58 And then he got killed, he got murdered, man. They went up to his ranch and fucked him up.

Joe Rogan 55:01 If they wanted to really fuck with you, this is the, I, what I think they would do. They would, first of all, they would put acid on your shit. They'd put acid on your doorknob or something like that, because there was a dude who found something, I forget what he found, some old thing, and as he was opening it up, he, uh, he ac- just by touching it, it was like some old thing, it was dipped in acid and he went on an acid trip for like six hours. So this is what they'd do. They'd dose you up. They'd somehow or another dose you up whether touching a doorknob. Did you find the guy? There's, I, I, it's unreal the story.

Eddie Bravo 55:36 It's a really recent story.

Joe Rogan 55:37 It's like where, it's a guy that was cleaning a, a board like this, a soundboard.

Eddie Bravo 55:40 That's what it was.

Joe Rogan 55:41 He touched it-

Eddie Bravo 55:41 That's what it was.

Joe Rogan 55:42 ... and he was just like, "Uh," telling his girlfriend, he's like, "I think I'm fucking high."

Eddie Bravo 55:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 55:45 And they did, ended up testing and it was.

Eddie Bravo 55:47 That's exactly the story.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Yeah, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 55:48 That's exactly the story. So they could do that to you and then sneak up on you with some special effects, wear some fucking crazy mask and fucking flash you with lights and you're so crazy high, you don't know what the fuck's going on. They grab you and put you on a tell- a desk and tell you, you, you've been abducted by aliens from another planet. You don't think they fucked with people and did stuff like that? Dude, they do for a fact.

Joe Rogan 56:09 I guarantee they did that.

Eddie Bravo 56:09 Have you seen the documentary, Abducted in Plain Sight?

Joe Rogan 56:13 No, I have not. Which one is that?

Eddie Bravo 56:14 Dude-

Joe Rogan 56:14 What's that about?

Eddie Bravo 56:14 ... that's exact-

Joe Rogan 56:16 Is that about UFOs?

Eddie Bravo 56:17 N- well, it's a, it's sort of, sort of.

Joe Rogan 56:19 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 56:19 This guy, he, um, was married, had a couple of kids. He was tight with the family who had three daughters. He was a predator. So he targeted-

Joe Rogan 56:29 Oh, I've heard of that.

Eddie Bravo 56:29 He targeted the 12-year-old and what he did is, he, uh, had s- like fucked with the mom, fucked with the dad, fucked with the dad.

Joe Rogan 56:38 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 56:38 And then-

Joe Rogan 56:38 He had sex with the dad?

Eddie Bravo 56:40 Sexual relations and some-

Joe Rogan 56:42 Fuck the dad, not fuck with him.

Eddie Bravo 56:43 The dad, the dad jerked him off.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Oh, Jesus.

Eddie Bravo 56:45 They talk about this in the book.

Joe Rogan 56:46 That's how it was? The dad just jerked him off?

Eddie Bravo 56:48 The guy jerked him off. He got, he g- he convinced the guy to jerk him off.

Joe Rogan 56:51 How weird.

Eddie Bravo 56:51 So he wanted blackmail on the parents, right?

Joe Rogan 56:53 Right.

Eddie Bravo 56:54 So that once he took the daughter, they couldn't say shit, 'cause now-

Joe Rogan 56:57 And that's the blackmail because he jerked him off?

Eddie Bravo 56:59 And he fucked with the mother too and it was, it was a secret.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 57:02 So of course that guy doesn't want none of that shit out on him.

Joe Rogan 57:04 So he lets the guy take his kid?

Eddie Bravo 57:06 He's gonna ta- he, he asks to take the daughter, uh, horseback riding. So, and they were like, "Okay." So he takes the daughter horseback riding and what he does is he, he starts telling her that there's all these alien abductions going on and, "We gotta be careful for aliens." She's 12 years old so he's setting her up.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Oh, no.

Eddie Bravo 57:20 So what he does, he drugs her.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 57:22 She wakes up, she's strapped to a table, he's got a speaker with alien voices coming out and the alien... And she wakes up, she doesn't know where she's at, she's like, "Oh my God." And this, this alien voice says that she is, uh, responsible for saving the Earth. She has to marry that dude.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 57:39 She has to marry the dude. In the alien voice, "You have to marry Bob and you have to have this, but you can't tell nobody."

Joe Rogan 57:45 What kind of drugs?

Eddie Bravo 57:47 I don't know. And then she passes out again and she wakes up and she's not strapped. She's looking around the trailer and she sees the guy. He's w- he's pretending, he's all fucked up and she's like waking him up and he's like, you know, has fake blood on him or whatever.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 57:59 And then he wakes up and then she tells him, "We've been abducted by aliens and I need to have your child."

Joe Rogan 58:05 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 58:06 He tricked her.

Joe Rogan 58:07 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 58:07 So from the age of 12 to 16 he owned her, dude. The, th- they end up catching him with the girl like a week later, FBI gets involved and, um, the girl can't tell anybody or everyone dies. So s- so she's obsessed. Now she's back with her family, the guy is in jail for like a day 'cause you know what he does? He, he has his lawyers send, uh, letters to the mother and father saying, uh, to make them sign like that it was consensual.

Joe Rogan 58:35 What?

Eddie Bravo 58:36 He threatened to blackmail them so they signed it and let him out.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Oh my gosh.

Eddie Bravo 58:40 They signed and they let him out.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 58:41 And then he goes to like the next state over, but that chick, she's like, she's 12, 13, 14, and she's obsessed with him. She has to save the world. So that, that's an example of... And then it turns out, it turns out that he, I think the guy was CIA probably and he knew, he knew those techniques. That's how they get people. They fill them up, say there's all these alien inve- uh, abductions, get them all scared and then boom, when they do it, they believe it.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Jesus Christ.

Eddie Bravo 59:06 Yeah, so that's just MKUltra shit, dude. She got MKUltra'd.

Joe Rogan 59:10 I guarantee they did that to people who were like political enemies.

Eddie Bravo 59:13 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 I guarantee you. Why wouldn't they do that?

Eddie Bravo 59:14 It's easy.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 59:16 It's easy.

Joe Rogan 59:16 It just seems like something they would do too. Just s- seems like it makes sense.

Eddie Bravo 59:20 And then Bill Cooper, um, said that, uh, the mutilated, uh, cattle thing-

Joe Rogan 59:24 Cattles? Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 59:25 ... that people were saying, "Oh, UFOs are taking them because they're, you know, they're, uh, their organs were taken out so surgically that we don't have the k- the, the, uh..."

Joe Rogan 59:32 Right.

Eddie Bravo 59:32 But what Bill Cooper, he was, he got balls deep into that. He g- he started getting into breaking down what's really happening with UFOs. He's going, "Oh shit, we're being pl- we're p- the government is pretending to cover it up." They're, they want to push it. They want people to believe in aliens.

Joe Rogan 59:48 So what do you think that the cattle mutilations were? You think they were testing weapons on these cattle?

Eddie Bravo 59:52 The, B- Bill Cooper said it's re- it was really simple. All the cattle were found by military bases and what they do is-

Joe Rogan 59:57 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 59:57 ... they, when, they're constantly check- checking radiation levels around bases constantly. So what they do is if there's cows, they'll, they'll routinely take a cow, take out its rectum, take out like certain organs surgically-

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:10 ... and then they dump them just to scare people, just let them. It'll kill two birds with one stone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:14 They really needed to get some radiation, um, uh, tests.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Testing.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:18 But it's always good-

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah, 100% makes sense.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:19 ... it's always good to push UFOs.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:21 It's always good to scare people with aliens.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 I wonder if those, those, uh, cattle abductions, if they coincided with areas where there was like some sort of toxic dump, you know, like w- with something, ammunition dump or something like that. Like anything where some kind of... Like do they have more of them around Nevada where they did all those nuclear tests?

Eddie Bravo 1:00:40 I'm not sure, but-... the gist of what Bill Cooper said was-

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 That makes sense.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:44 ... they were all found near military bases.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:46 And he know, like, once he looked into it, he's like, "Oh, I know what they're doing. They're checking radiation levels and they're scaring people at the same time."

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Hmm, that makes sense. Because if it was surgically removed, right? Like, people can do that, like, why would that eliminate the possibility that people could do it? Of course people could do it.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:00 But p- you know, people are like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:01 ... "Dude, only aliens could do that."

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Right. And then they take it and then they move it to another place so that the blood is not in the spot where they find the animal.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 That's all it is.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:08 Dude, I'm a crazy, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 That's how they catch poachers, you know? Do you know that?

Eddie Bravo 1:01:13 How?

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 They catch poachers that way sometimes. They find out where the gut pile is. It's like, say, if you, uh, you didn't really have a tag to shoot a deer and then, uh, you shot a deer in another place where you're not supposed to be but you have a tag at a different place, you, you just... You, 'cause there's some places where it's easier to get tags. You just take the deer out of the forbidden place, take a po- picture of it or something like that, and then go back home. Well, they busted people because they, like, park rangers recognize certain mountain peaks. And they're like, "No, no, no, you weren't there. I know exactly where you were when you, when you killed this deer. You were at a different place." And then they go to that different place and they co- they look at the fic- the picture and they try to coordinate, and then they find the gut pile, and then they convict people of poaching.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 That's happened before.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:56 Hmm. Interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 They look at the photos. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 So, like-

Eddie Bravo 1:02:01 So that's what Bill Cooper believes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Tha- that makes sense, that they would do that.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 That they would do it... 'Cause it, when you, if you think you took that animal and killed it and cut it and left its big bloody pile and then put it in a truck and