Joe Rogan Experience #1308 - Eddie Bravo

1. 0:00 – 1:52

   Catching up: training, lifting, and rolling (plus hobbit-foot grappling)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      AJ Braud. (laughs) You are watched.

   2. EBEddie Bravo0:02

      My brother, good to see you as always.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      (laughs) Always good to see you, man.

   4. EBEddie Bravo0:05

      And thanks for jumping in this, uh, short notice. For the folks who don't know, I was supposed to have Kevin Leon today, but Kevin and I, we fucked up. It was partially my fuck up, partially his fuck up. But he'll be on, on Wednesday.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Yeah. AJ Braud was in the neighborhood getting pumped, my friend.

   6. EBEddie Bravo0:19

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Getting, getting solid. You've been lifting the weights. How, how steady are you lifting now?

   8. EBEddie Bravo0:25

      Uh, I try to get three days a week, but shit gets crazy sometimes and I can only get two.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Dude, if I stop for just a couple weeks, I start, at 51, you start getting so weak, even on TRT. Y- Everything just starts slipping. Your body's like, "No, we don't need to be lifting heavy shit."

   10. EBEddie Bravo0:43

       Dude, I'm sore as fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       I'm sure.

   12. EBEddie Bravo0:45

       I've been, I've been rolling with little people the last few months.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Like, what kind of little people?

   14. EBEddie Bravo0:50

       Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Hobbits?

   16. EBEddie Bravo0:51

       (laughs) I wish. Shit-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Shit.

   18. EBEddie Bravo0:53

       ... I'd fuck them up.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Do you think so?

   20. EBEddie Bravo0:55

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I think hobbits would be extraordinarily strong with hairy feet.

   22. EBEddie Bravo0:58

       They're Footlocker.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       There's probably a lot of, like, some kinda... No, man, I bet their feet are fucking so strong, you could never Footlocker a hobbit.

   24. EBEddie Bravo1:03

       Dude, have you seen the size of their heels? Come on, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       They have giant heels, but I bet their ligaments and shit are different. I bet...

   26. EBEddie Bravo1:10

       Inside, you don't know, I'll fuck them up.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       It's, yeah, you know, that's weird because they're all, they're all baref- This is weird about the hobbits, right? They're barefoot, they got furry ass feet, they have giant feet because, you know, obviously they had to wear those, those feet over the shoes. But even in the books, didn't did the, didn't it, did they said they had big, hairy feet-

   28. EBEddie Bravo1:27

       Dude, look at those feet.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       ... even in the books. Yeah, the hobbit's feet, bro.

   30. EBEddie Bravo1:29

       I'd toe hold the shit out of that. I have an easy toe hold right there.
2. 1:52 – 3:35

   Feet, bunions, and barefoot running culture (Vibram, yoga toes, and lawsuits)

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:52

      That's an algorithm. That's the Russians. They're trying to fuck with the show. No, what that is is bunions, first of all. That's a painful thing that happens to your big toe. Some of it's genetic and some of it is putting your toes into pointed shoes for, like, long periods of time. Like people who have to go to work, like ladies particular, they wear, like, super uncomfortable shoes that smush their toes up like that. Your toes aren't supposed to be like that.

   2. EBEddie Bravo2:15

      I've seen this thing on Instagram where they could fix that now-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Yeah, they can f-

   4. EBEddie Bravo2:18

      ... with, like, rubber bands.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      Yes. Well-

   6. EBEddie Bravo2:20

      You think that's real?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      ... I think, well, they, they have yoga toes, there's some shit that you use that you can, you shove your feet in between these, like, styrofoam things and it stretches 'em out.

   8. EBEddie Bravo2:28

      Yeah. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Apparently that's supposed to be good for them. Um, Vibram shoes is good. Like those-

   10. EBEddie Bravo2:33

       They still make those?

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       I run in those, son.

   12. EBEddie Bravo2:35

       Didn't they get sued or something?

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       They did get sued.

   14. EBEddie Bravo2:37

       Propaganda?

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       By a bunch of pussies.

   16. EBEddie Bravo2:39

       Really?

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Yeah, a bunch of P, "I hurt my foot."

   18. EBEddie Bravo2:41

       Hey, I used to, you know, I used to wear them too.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Yeah, look, man, they're, they're harder to run in. No bullshit.

   20. EBEddie Bravo2:46

       They feel good though. I like them.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       I like them.

   22. EBEddie Bravo2:48

       But once all that-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       They make you grip the ground.

   24. EBEddie Bravo2:49

       ... all that shit came out that, uh, they were, like, a fraud. Uh, they were a scam and all that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       That's not what it is. I think they had made improper claims, if I'm not correct. I mean, if I'm not correct, if I'm correct, if my information is correct. I think they made improper claims. I think that was what the, the word was. The word was that they had said some shit and that people had gotten injured. Like, they said it would keep you from getting injured. It's all based on this idea that you're supposed to run barefoot.

   26. EBEddie Bravo3:16

       Yeah, they said Mexicans could run barefoot.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       It strengthens your feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the mountains.

   28. EBEddie Bravo3:18

       And then Mex- Mexico's like, "Fuck you. We got shoes."

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Bro, but those guys up in the mountains that they're talking about in that book, Born to Run, I feel like they have, some of them made their own shoes with, like, tires. Like, they cut tires and made their own shoes and they're running, like, 100 miles up there. Something crazy like that.

   30. EBEddie Bravo3:35

       Mm-hmm.

3. 3:35 – 7:23

   Andy Ruiz shocks the world: Mexican-American heavyweight champ and ‘bringing back guts’

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      Like, they have insane endurance and they live up in that mountain and they just run around. Oh, speaking of Mexicans, one of the main reasons you're here, I wanna talk to you is because you're my favorite Mexican, and now we have a Mexican American heavyweight champion of the motherfucking world.

   2. EBEddie Bravo3:49

      That's crazy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      How crazy is that?

   4. EBEddie Bravo3:51

      That's insane. I can't believe it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      Viva la Mexico.

   6. EBEddie Bravo3:53

      Yeah. Jesus Christ.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:55

      (laughs)

   8. EBEddie Bravo3:55

      I didn't know Mexico had a heavyweight boxer.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      Oh my God, Andy Ruiz is the shit.

   10. EBEddie Bravo3:59

       He is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       He is the shit. He's what America needs right now with all this border wall crisis shit.

   12. EBEddie Bravo4:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       A heavyweight champion that's Mexican?

   14. EBEddie Bravo4:05

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       Come on, son. And one that's fucking good and one that has a big belly and he knocks out a dude who looks like he's chiseled out of granite. I mean, no one has ever had a better body than Anthony Joshua. You've only had a different body. No one's had a better body. He's like... What is he, like, 6'7" or some shit like that?

   16. EBEddie Bravo4:24

       Can I see him? I don't even know that guy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Oh my God, dude. Anthony Joshua is the, one of the best built heavyweight boxers of all time.

   18. EBEddie Bravo4:30

       And he's legit? He was the champ and all that?

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Olympic gold medalist, the champ, knocked out Wladimir Klitschko. I mean, he's a fucking monster, man.

   20. EBEddie Bravo4:37

       From the UK?

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       From the UK.

   22. EBEddie Bravo4:39

       Okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah, he was the champ and he was supposed to fight Big Baby Miller. And Big Baby Miller tested positive for the Mexican supplements, ironically enough. Boom, that's Anthony Joshua.

   24. EBEddie Bravo4:52

       Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       I mean, come on, son.

   26. EBEddie Bravo4:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       How tall is he? Because he's gigantic.

   28. EBEddie Bravo4:56

       He's got a 12 pack.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       Because Andy Ruiz looked short in that fight. 6'6".

   30. EBEddie Bravo5:02

       Shit.
4. 7:23 – 12:18

   Fandom preferences in combat sports: nationalism in boxing vs style-loyalty in MMA

   1. JVJamie Vernon7:23

      Uh, it says it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Oh, it says it there?

   3. JVJamie Vernon7:23

      Well-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      The creator of the, the GIF?

   5. JVJamie Vernon7:23

      No. No.

   6. EBEddie Bravo7:23

      Can I see it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Yeah, yeah. Put it up on there for them, Jamie.

   8. JVJamie Vernon7:23

      Hold on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Hold on. Jamie's, Jamie's got a-

   10. JVJamie Vernon7:23

       Might be...

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       ... might be a problem, copyright issue.

   12. JVJamie Vernon7:23

       Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Somebody might have stole it from somebody else? You gotta talk in the microphone. People are listening.

   14. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       Yeah, yeah.

   15. JVJamie Vernon7:23

       Somebody else might have stole it from someone.

   16. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       (coughs)

   17. JVJamie Vernon7:23

       Uh, I'll just put it up though.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Okay. Look at this. All the big men, all the big men headed to brunch with their shirt open today after the Andrew Rees win. (laughs)

   19. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       He's bringing back guts.

   21. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       Dude, that would be amazing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       And, dude, he's super friendly, like a really nice guy, thanked his mom. He s- he told his mom after the fight that, you know, "We don't have to suffer anymore."

   23. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       We do.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       "This has changed our lives." You know, it's beautiful. It's pretty tough-

   25. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       Yeah, that last... I mean, I was, I was s- crazy into boxing before I saw UFC 2. Once I saw UFC 2, I kinda just dropped boxing. But I was s- way into boxing, had stacks of Ring Magazine all over my house and wouldn't throw them away. I was way into it. And all we had as Mexicans, uh, in the heavyweight division was Alex Garcia. Remember him?

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   27. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       He was... He, he, he broke the top 10.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Yeah.

   29. EBEddie Bravo7:23

       He was up there for a little bit, but he just... You know, that's, that's the closest we ever got. Unless there's been someone else since then. This was like 1990. I haven't followed boxing at all, you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Well, that's why it was big for Mexican-Americans when Cain Velasquez was the UFC heavyweight champ. That was the first ever Mexican heavyweight champ in combat sports.
5. 12:18 – 17:54

   Tech tangent: watching fights on phones, streaming, and the rapid evolution of TVs

   1. EBEddie Bravo12:18

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      Dude, that was amazing. Are you kidding?

   3. EBEddie Bravo12:18

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      Did you see that, uh, that GIF on, uh, Brendan... then you gotta watch it on a laptop, that's not ideal.

   5. EBEddie Bravo12:22

      Oh, your phone?

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:23

      That's not ideal. I'll do it, though. But that's the good thing about it, is I've done that. Like, I've been out and I couldn't go to see a fight, I couldn't s- watch it while I was at home, but I have, like, an hour s- where I could sneak away and watch, like, the one main event.

   7. EBEddie Bravo12:37

      Yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      And I get to watch it on my phone.

   9. EBEddie Bravo12:39

      That's huge.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       I'll take that all day.

   11. EBEddie Bravo12:40

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       I'll take that all day.

   13. EBEddie Bravo12:41

       Yeah. What about, m- like, what's that function? Mirror? Is that what it is, where you can-

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Oh, yeah, yeah, where you shoot it up to the TV-

   15. EBEddie Bravo12:48

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       ... from your phone? That's dope.

   17. EBEddie Bravo12:49

       You could do that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you have, um-

   19. EBEddie Bravo12:51

       Apple TV?

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       If you have Apple TV or if you have Amazon, what is that? Fire Stick? Is that what it is, Jamie? Do you remember?

   21. JVJamie Vernon12:57

       Yeah, you (clears throat) Chromecast also.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       Chromecast and, uh, there's probably a few other ones you could probably do that with too, but they have, like, a USB slot, I think, and you just stick this thing in the USB slot and it'll l- is that... am I saying that correct?

   23. JVJamie Vernon13:09

       Yeah, but you don't even need it. Depending on when you bought your TV-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       Right.

   25. JVJamie Vernon13:12

       ... it's built into it now.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       A lot of them.

   27. JVJamie Vernon13:13

       Like, the Chrome thing is, uh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Which is interesting, right? It's like, "W- what if a new company comes along and they want to get built into that- that system?" How do they g- you know, 'cause when you get your TV, does your TV have, like, the option to get Netflix?

   29. EBEddie Bravo13:26

       Mine does.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       Yeah, it's like o- you don't need an Apple TV, it's, like, one of the options on the TV.
6. 17:54 – 24:17

   Nature fear spiral: mountain lions, sharks, and why ‘rare’ dangers still change behavior

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      Yeah. It's great to do while running too. It, like, it does two things at the same time. It gives me some shit to think about that kind of, like, propels me while I'm running. The only thing I do, I do worry about getting jacked.

   2. EBEddie Bravo18:06

      What do you mean?

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:07

      Getting cat by cat.

   4. EBEddie Bravo18:09

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:09

      I do worry about that, man.

   6. EBEddie Bravo18:10

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:11

      I worry about that legitimately.

   8. EBEddie Bravo18:12

      Yeah. I've been hiking, uh, more than ever lately, and sometimes we're e- on some trails where I have a rock ready to go.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:19

      I carry a knife.

   10. EBEddie Bravo18:20

       It's a good move.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:20

       I carry a knife when I run.

   12. EBEddie Bravo18:22

       It's a good move.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:23

       Yeah, it's not likely. It's not likely. People are like, "Oh my God, you're paranoid."... two people were killed by mountain lions last year, and a kid got bit by a mountain lion just a couple days ago.

   14. EBEddie Bravo18:35

       Jamie?

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       I'm getting over a cold, folks. I'm, if I sound snotty. But, uh, if, if two people got killed by werewolves, would you go out when the moon is full? You would be like, "Fuck that." If two people in Seattle (laughs) got killed by werewolves, when there's a full moon you're gonna b- lock your fucking doors-

   16. EBEddie Bravo18:54

       Am I in Seattle when I go out?

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       Uh-

   18. EBEddie Bravo18:56

       If it happened in Seattle, where am I? In Seattle?

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       Well, the guy who's the werewolf could have gotten on a plane and went to San Francisco. It's totally possible.

   20. EBEddie Bravo19:04

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:04

       Right?

   22. EBEddie Bravo19:04

       Just, or just walked.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       But if you knew there was a real werewolf that was, on the full moon, was m- possibly gonna kill somebody-

   24. EBEddie Bravo19:11

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       ... sometimes he didn't-

   26. EBEddie Bravo19:13

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       ... sometimes the full moon comes and goes and nobody dies-

   28. EBEddie Bravo19:15

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       ... because everybody's smart and they all stay indoors.

   30. EBEddie Bravo19:17

       Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
7. 24:17 – 29:24

   Florida ‘monster soup’: invasive pythons in the Everglades and ecosystem collapse

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:17

      Look, if it gets hungry enough, all these assholes are overfishing the oceans, you overfish the fuck out of those oceans, eventually those sharks, they're gonna turn on each other. You know, that's what's happening with snakes in the Everglades. Do you know about that?

   2. EBEddie Bravo24:29

      Mm-mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:30

      Dude, you don't know about the Everglades?

   4. JVJamie Vernon24:32

      ... nope.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:33

      Anacondas and pythons and shit, mostly pythons.

   6. JVJamie Vernon24:36

      Because dudes had them as pets and then they let 'em go?

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:38

      They let them go. Eddie, they're finding them now, they're 17, 18 feet long.

   8. JVJamie Vernon24:43

      Anacondas or pythons?

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:44

      Pythons.

   10. JVJamie Vernon24:45

       Shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       They're eating alligators. They did a study.

   12. JVJamie Vernon24:48

       Oh, they did a video of that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       Oh, yeah, yeah. They have photos of it and there's video. There's video you can watch them eat an alligator.

   14. JVJamie Vernon24:53

       In Florida?

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:54

       In Florida.

   16. JVJamie Vernon24:55

       God damn.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:55

       Yeah. They're giant.

   18. JVJamie Vernon24:57

       Whoa.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:57

       And they're, they're infested. So they did like a biological survey of the Everglades and they were down, like, 99% in some animals, like deer, 99% marsh hare-

   20. JVJamie Vernon25:09

       God.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:10

       ... like 98%, 95% raccoons, that kind of shit. They don't see-

   22. JVJamie Vernon25:14

       Are there-

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       ... they don't see anything.

   24. JVJamie Vernon25:15

       Are they killing people too?

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Oh, they will.

   26. JVJamie Vernon25:17

       The pythons?

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       For sure some fucking rednecks have disappeared.

   28. JVJamie Vernon25:20

       And they just don't talk about it?

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       I guarantee, I guarantee, I guarantee.

   30. JVJamie Vernon25:23

       We'll just let that go.
8. 29:24 – 37:27

   Apex weirdness: frogs eating mice, Costa Rica jungle wars, and why Eddie hates bugs

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:24

      But did you ever see that, you've seen that... We showed that video of the frog or it... Was it a frog or a toad that ate the mouse?

   2. JVJamie Vernon29:31

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:32

      The mouse is bigger than him, bro. He just fucking eats it. He just... I didn't know that toads did that. I had no idea.

   4. JVJamie Vernon29:38

      Mm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:39

      This video, there's like the little wow... white mouse is in this cage just like looking around with this frog and this frog just like slowly comes close to him, slowly comes closer and then swap, slump, just half his body. And you see this mouse trying to kick and get the fuck out of there and the frog just like slowly just chokes him down.

   6. JVJamie Vernon29:58

      Mm, I had no idea.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:59

      I thought they just ate insects. That's what I thought too. They, they figured it out.

   8. JVJamie Vernon30:04

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      See, if, if people believe in evolution, right? I believe in evolution. If people believe in evolution, why do we think it stops with us? Why don't we think these goddamn frogs are gonna take over? Maybe like one of the first, the first signs of it was this Pepe the Frog controversy on the internet. Maybe it's shots fired, things to come.

   10. JVJamie Vernon30:24

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       These frogs are gonna start eating meat now.

   12. JVJamie Vernon30:26

       The Trump frog?

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Maybe these frogs are eating meat, that's what's going on.

   14. JVJamie Vernon30:30

       How did that start?

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       They're just gonna get smarter.

   16. JVJamie Vernon30:31

       Pepe the Frog, was, was that around before Trump?

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       You got it, Jimmy?What is this, Jamie? Oh, I've seen this.

   18. EBEddie Bravo30:37

       The frog has a snake in its mouth and the snake's fucking-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Yeah.

   20. EBEddie Bravo30:39

       ... attacking a cat.

   21. JVJamie Vernon30:41

       Whoa.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Oh, the cat comes over to s- to swat the fucking snake.

   23. JVJamie Vernon30:44

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Cats are ruthless, bro. Cats are ruthless.

   25. JVJamie Vernon30:51

       It's just a compilation of frogs eating shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Well, there's one that's, like, super specific that I found on-

   27. EBEddie Bravo30:58

       See how he used his hand?

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       That, that might be it.

   29. EBEddie Bravo31:00

       You see how he used his hand to stuff that worm?

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       Look at this one.
9. 37:27 – 41:40

   Ancient humans, lost civilizations, and LIDAR: Graham Hancock’s ‘America Before’ ideas

   1. JRJoe Rogan37:27

      Um, that guy, Graham Hancock, who wrote that book? Did you ever listen to that podcast that I did with him recently?

   2. EBEddie Bravo37:32

      Not the recent one.

   3. JRJoe Rogan37:33

      Dude, he was talking about the Amazon, and that hidden civilizations that were at one point in time in the Amazon, then European settlers, or European explorers, rather, came there and gave 'em smallpox. And it burned through the entire fucking population, just like it burned through the Native Americans. Same deal, it just wiped out these huge cities. People just abandoned these huge cities. And he was saying that at one point in time, they think as much as 20 million people were living in the Amazon.

   4. EBEddie Bravo37:56

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan37:57

      And they had these really big, established cities. So now, they're using this stuff called Lidar. It's like light, like laser, that they shoot from a fucking plane, and they make maps of the jungle.

   6. EBEddie Bravo38:08

      They're finding cities?

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:09

      They're finding cities.

   8. EBEddie Bravo38:09

      Buried cities?

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:10

      Dude, it's crazy.

   10. EBEddie Bravo38:12

       That's amazing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:12

       It's amazing to watch, because the first European explorers, when they went to the Amazon, according to Graham Hancock in his book, which is called America Before, um, the first European explorers, when they came to the Amazon, they were like, "Oh my God, this is incredible. These, they have these massive cities and sophisticated culture," and they wrote back about it. Then when people came back hundreds of years later, everything was gone. It was all just engulfed by the jungle, because all the people died off after the fucking European, uh, explorers came. So, the European explorers came, they spread their diseases. They came, I don't know how many boats over how much time, they wrote things about it, and then everybody fucking died. They died like a, just a, like a haunted curse, like they brought a curse to a place. And then the jungle overcame the city and grew through the pillars of the floor, and just took over. And now they're finding it through all this new sophisticated technology where they could scan through the trees and just get images of what the, the ground looks like. And then they take this image of the ground and you can see these grids, see buildings-

   12. EBEddie Bravo39:17

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:17

       It's crazy.

   14. EBEddie Bravo39:17

       It's amazing-

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:17

       The irrigations.

   16. EBEddie Bravo39:19

       ... that they could survive in the jungle with all that fungus and bacteria-

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:24

       Yeah.

   18. EBEddie Bravo39:24

       ... and viruses-

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:25

       Dude.

   20. EBEddie Bravo39:25

       ... and bugs and all that shit, but smallpox takes 'em out.

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       Smallpox jacked 'em.

   22. EBEddie Bravo39:31

       It's crazy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       They weren't ready for it. They didn't have... Well, it's probably not just smallpox.

   24. EBEddie Bravo39:35

       How do they know, how do they kn-

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:35

       It was probably a gang of diseases that the... I mean, smallpox for sure killed a lot of people during that time period, so they assume it was smallpox. And smallpox most likely was one of the diseases, but I bet they gave them a bunch of other diseases too. These fucking people had no immune system for any of the shit the Europeans were running over there. Just... And I bet the same thing would happen if someone from there went to, to Europe. I bet they have some weird parasites and weird shit that if they could somehow... I mean, I guess. You could imagine, like, people that live in the jungle m- must be exposed to certain parasites or certain, certain diseases or germs that they don't get in Europe either.

   26. EBEddie Bravo40:11

       For sure.

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:11

       Transferring 'em back and forth like that, probably wouldn't ha... Like, if they went and visited, like a giant ship full of Amazonians-

   28. EBEddie Bravo40:18

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan40:18

       ... went to visit Europe, they probably would've given 'em some strange disease too.

   30. EBEddie Bravo40:21

       Yeah, like, dude, can you imagine?
10. 41:40 – 46:49

    Health & signals: 5G fear, Wi‑Fi fog, and satellite dish obsession

    1. EBEddie Bravo41:40

       That's crazy. Amazing. What do you think of, um, 5G and all that scare? Do you think that's legit?

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:46

       I'm terrified of air, all that shit.

    3. EBEddie Bravo41:48

       Scary, huh?

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       Yeah, because-

    5. EBEddie Bravo41:49

       That's, dude-

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:50

       ... how much long-term testing have they done? N- zero or negative numbers? Like, are they turning people off-

    7. EBEddie Bravo41:55

       Dude, they're putting 'em, they're putting 'em... Do you, is that what d- uh, when, when, when I'm driving around with my family, my wife is obsessed with recognizing plates. She's always calling out Florida, Oregon. She's, her and my son, they got a little game they play, they're always looking at the plates. I'm always looking at cellphone towers and satellite dishes. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:14

       Ah, paranoia.

    9. EBEddie Bravo42:14

       I'm always, like they're... Uh, yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:16

        Yeah.

    11. EBEddie Bravo42:16

        Uh, all satellite dishes-... point to the southeast for some reason or other. And that's what I always check on.

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        All of them?

    13. EBEddie Bravo42:22

        They don't p- point to the north. In Southern California, that is.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:25

        But that's just DirecTV satellite.

    15. EBEddie Bravo42:26

        That's all satellites.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:27

        That's 'cause that's where it's-

    17. EBEddie Bravo42:28

        All satellites.

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:28

        But every satellite dish-

    19. EBEddie Bravo42:29

        Satellite dishes.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:30

        ... it's pointing to the south? I mean, for a consumer, consumer satellite dishes?

    21. EBEddie Bravo42:32

        Every satellite dish that I've seen, I- I'm obsessed with them.

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:36

        Yeah, they're everywhere.

    23. EBEddie Bravo42:36

        They're always point, they never point to the north. They're always pointing southeast.

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:40

        Right.

    25. EBEddie Bravo42:40

        All of them.

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:41

        The great majority of satellite dishes that you see are probably DirecTV or another one, Dish.

    27. EBEddie Bravo42:47

        No, yeah, for sure. Most of, I've noticed all of them, all of them. But you go, um, it's- it's crazy. I don't know why. I don't know why. But also those, uh, cellphone towers. I was on this website called, um, uh, smartmetersmurder.com.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:01

        Smart Meters Murder?

    29. EBEddie Bravo43:02

        Dot com.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:02

        Say that 10 times fast.
11. 46:49 – 51:13

    Reality debates: simulation theory, conspiracies, and Eddie’s ‘liar government’ framework

    1. EBEddie Bravo46:49

       Most, most of the, most of it is.

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       ... is fake. How many people think that we're living in a simulation? Really, really fucking smart people think it.

    3. EBEddie Bravo46:55

       That's okay.

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       It's all right.

    5. EBEddie Bravo46:56

       That's okay. That- that isn't crazy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Dude, we-

    7. EBEddie Bravo46:58

       Tha- that's the craziest thing about all conspiracy theories. Like people that, um, uh, are not on that side. There's the conspiracy theorists side, and then there's the people way on the other side. Those motherfuckers are totally into, "Man, we live in a computer." That is hilarious. That's not logical. That's illogical.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Well, the- the- the reason why they think that is 'cause someday there's going to be a program-

    9. EBEddie Bravo47:23

       But there's no proof though.

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:24

        ... that's going to be able ... Uh, you're right.

    11. EBEddie Bravo47:24

        Hey, it may be true. It may be true. Maybe we do live in a computer.

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:27

        Right.

    13. EBEddie Bravo47:27

        But dude, there's no evidence.

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        No, there's no evidence, but-

    15. EBEddie Bravo47:30

        And in these conspiracy theories though, if you look into each one individually, damn, may- m- maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but there's actual evidence. Is it enough evidence to prove it one way or another? Who knows? But don't talk shit on-

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:44

        But it's not the same people.

    17. EBEddie Bravo47:45

        ... on, like government conspiracy. It's, dude, i- I've never heard, I've never heard anybody like, uh-

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:50

        But it's easy to categorize people like that.

    19. EBEddie Bravo47:52

        No, but-

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:52

        The same people that believe this, believe that.

    21. EBEddie Bravo47:54

        No, no. No, but people, what I'm saying-

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        We haven't done any surveys.

    23. EBEddie Bravo47:55

        No, no. Okay. For sure, I haven't done any servi- surveys. This is all based on the people that I come in contact with. Dude, I c- I w- I would say, peop- you know, 80% of my students, they're, they're not conspiracy theorists. They don't even think about it. They're just like regular people. They don't, they- they don't, uh, they don't concern themselves with it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan48:13

        Right.

    25. EBEddie Bravo48:13

        You know what I mean? They think it's amusing that I'm into it, but they're not into it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:16

        That's hilarious.

    27. EBEddie Bravo48:17

        You know what I mean? But those same people-... when you're t- and say, "Dude, do you, y- y- you, you know, Elon Musk says that we might live in a computer." And everyone's like, "It may be true. But dude, there's zero evidence of that. That we live in that fucking computer."

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:30

        What was the evidence?

    29. EBEddie Bravo48:31

        Where's the evidence?

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:32

        What did, what did someone, someone p- proposed some sort of theory that proves that life is a hologram. Well, it wasn't a hologram, that life is a simulation.
12. 51:13 – 59:20

    UFOs, Bill Cooper, MKUltra-style manipulation, and ‘Abducted in Plain Sight’

    1. EBEddie Bravo51:13

       Yeah.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:13

       Like, like, the people that really wanna believe in Bigfoot, or the people that really wanna believe in UFOs.

    3. EBEddie Bravo51:17

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:17

       Like, UFOs are coming back right now. Everybody's talking about UFOs.

    5. EBEddie Bravo51:20

       Dude, they're stronger than ever.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       Bigger than ever.

    7. EBEddie Bravo51:21

       Stronger than ever. That should tell you something.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:23

       Dave Foley's hooked. Dave Foley, from Newsradio? Remember Dave Foley?

    9. EBEddie Bravo51:27

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:27

        Hooked. We, he, we text each other almost exclusively about UFO evidence. (laughs)

    11. EBEddie Bravo51:33

        Dude.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:34

        He recommends documentaries.

    13. EBEddie Bravo51:34

        You know me, dude. You know me, dude. I was the biggest-

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:37

        What's this?

    15. JVJamie Vernon51:37

        This was on The New York Times a couple days ago.

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:39

        Oh, wow.

    17. EBEddie Bravo51:40

        Dude.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:40

        What is that? Navy pilots report unidentified flying objects. (sniffs) Here's the thing though. (smacks lips) We don't know what kind of shit the Chinese have figured out. We don't know what kind of shit the Russians have figured out. We assume that we know, 'cause, but we didn't, we didn't let them know about the stealth bomber or any of the crazy shit that they were building in Area 51. We didn't let them know.

    19. EBEddie Bravo52:02

        Dude, you know me. I was balls deep into the UFO community, dude.

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:05

        I know.

    21. EBEddie Bravo52:05

        My tat-, the first tattoo I got is I got an alien on my left arm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:09

        Oh.

    23. EBEddie Bravo52:09

        In an Egyptian garb.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:11

        I was with you. I was with you.

    25. EBEddie Bravo52:11

        I was, I was into fucking ancient Egypt, the conspiracy side of the ancient Egypt. There's the mainstream Egyptology. I was into the, the, "Oh, look what Graham Hancock is saying," and UFOs.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:22

        Mm-hmm. So fun.

    27. EBEddie Bravo52:23

        Balls deep.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:24

        That stuff's so fun.

    29. EBEddie Bravo52:24

        I thought, there's so much proof in my head, there was so much proof that the government was trying to cover up. Look, then why are they covering it up? Why are they covering it up? Um, look at all these guys, they're from, pilots from the Air Force are saying they saw UFOs. Pilots from the Navy are saying they saw UFOs. Dudes from the Pentagon. It's gotta be true. That's a dude, that's a dude, that's a CIA pilot. He's saying it. So, when you're, when you're balls deep and you really wanna believe it, you look at it that way. You're like, "Look, there's all these government officials saying they saw UFOs."

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:53

        Right.
13. 59:20 – 1:16:00

    From aliens to institutions: cattle mutilations, CIA jokes, corrupt cops, and drug-war shadows

    1. EBEddie Bravo59:20

       And then Bill Cooper, um, said that, uh, the mutilated, uh, cattle thing-

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:24

       Cattles? Yeah.

    3. EBEddie Bravo59:25

       ... that people were saying, "Oh, UFOs are taking them because they're, you know, they're, uh, their organs were taken out so surgically that we don't have the k- the, the, uh..."

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:32

       Right.

    5. EBEddie Bravo59:32

       But what Bill Cooper, he was, he got balls deep into that. He g- he started getting into breaking down what's really happening with UFOs. He's going, "Oh shit, we're being pl- we're p- the government is pretending to cover it up." They're, they want to push it. They want people to believe in aliens.

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:48

       So what do you think that the cattle mutilations were? You think they were testing weapons on these cattle?

    7. EBEddie Bravo59:52

       The, B- Bill Cooper said it's re- it was really simple. All the cattle were found by military bases and what they do is-

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:57

       Oh.

    9. EBEddie Bravo59:57

       ... they, when, they're constantly check- checking radiation levels around bases constantly. So what they do is if there's cows, they'll, they'll routinely take a cow, take out its rectum, take out like certain organs surgically-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

        Oh.

    11. EBEddie Bravo1:00:10

        ... and then they dump them just to scare people, just let them. It'll kill two birds with one stone.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

        Oh.

    13. EBEddie Bravo1:00:14

        They really needed to get some radiation, um, uh, tests.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

        Testing.

    15. EBEddie Bravo1:00:18

        But it's always good-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

        Yeah, 100% makes sense.

    17. EBEddie Bravo1:00:19

        ... it's always good to push UFOs.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

        Yeah.

    19. EBEddie Bravo1:00:21

        It's always good to scare people with aliens.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

        I wonder if those, those, uh, cattle abductions, if they coincided with areas where there was like some sort of toxic dump, you know, like w- with something, ammunition dump or something like that. Like anything where some kind of... Like do they have more of them around Nevada where they did all those nuclear tests?

    21. EBEddie Bravo1:00:40

        I'm not sure, but-... the gist of what Bill Cooper said was-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

        That makes sense.

    23. EBEddie Bravo1:00:44

        ... they were all found near military bases.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

        Mm-hmm.

    25. EBEddie Bravo1:00:46

        And he know, like, once he looked into it, he's like, "Oh, I know what they're doing. They're checking radiation levels and they're scaring people at the same time."

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

        Hmm, that makes sense. Because if it was surgically removed, right? Like, people can do that, like, why would that eliminate the possibility that people could do it? Of course people could do it.

    27. EBEddie Bravo1:01:00

        But p- you know, people are like-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

        Yeah.

    29. EBEddie Bravo1:01:01

        ... "Dude, only aliens could do that."

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

        Right. And then they take it and then they move it to another place so that the blood is not in the spot where they find the animal.

Episode duration: 2:59:43