Joe Rogan Experience #1313 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 2:21

   Mystical numbers and the missing 13th floor

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (meditative chanting) Episode 1313, ladies and gentlemen. That's a, that's a number. It's a very important number.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell0:23

      Very important.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Tell me why.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:25

      Why 1313 is important?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Yes.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:27

      Well, we got two 13s back-to-back, so it doubles the normal potency of 13, which is already a mystical number, which terrifies people in the West.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      Mm-hmm.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:40

      They think it's unlucky, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's considered a very lucky and auspicious number.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:46

      Yeah, I was staying in a hotel in Vegas. They have no 13th floor and I don't think they had a fourth floor either.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:54

       A fourth?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah, there's something about some cultures, the number four is unlucky.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:00

       How many cultures do we get to influence our buildings these days?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Whoa.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:03

       That's what's crazy. And what's crazier is, at some point, someone convinced a person, "Listen, can we just not do a 13th floor?" And they listened to him. They're like, "All right, I guess, we'll just go from 12 to 14."

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Um, Shooter Jennings has it in a song, "When I check into 1410, I know what room I'm really in."

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:23

       Ooh, that's cool.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Yeah.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:25

       Yeah, well I, you know what? That's what's so funny about it, is because, like, that's the whole problem, isn't it? Is like people wanna pretend they're not on the 13th floor when they fucking know they are-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       Right.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:37

       ... instead of just acknowledging, "This is where I'm at."

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       "No, no, no. We're in the 14, we're 14."

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:42

       It's 14, call it the 14th floor. Just call it and it'll be that. Dude, I went, when I was, uh, in college, we had to do service for, like, to get the degree. You had to go do, like, s- service overseas. So we went to India, to Dharamsala, and we taught the monks English. And, uh, I was sitting with, like, listening, overhearing a monk in a conversation with someone teaching him English, and the person's trying to explain to him how there isn't a 13th floor in buildings in the West. And the monk was like, "Does it levitate?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       (laughs)

   24. DTDuncan Trussell2:14

       Like, "Is it missing?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       (laughs)

   26. DTDuncan Trussell2:16

       "How do they do it?" He was genuinely perplexed. It was like a magical thing.

2. 2:21 – 5:19

   Religion in politics and the problem of literal belief

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Right. Yeah. Well, in a culture that forces its citizens, if they want to run the country, you have to believe in something that, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a b- baptist, or s- Mormon, whatever, whatever you are, there's certain parts of your religion that if you just didn't wanna analyze them, just wanna put them out on paper, and we'll say, "Okay, did this really happen? Did this guy really die and come back to life? Did, uh, is everybody agreeing on this?"

   2. DTDuncan Trussell2:54

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Everyone's agreeing that a zombie, a guy became a zombie, and he came back three days later, and we're cool with that. This is a part of the doctrine.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell3:04

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      So this is like a part of running the country. You, I don't think you can be an atheist in this country. I don't think we would let you run it.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell3:12

      To be, you have to, I think you do have to have some affiliation with some religion or another, probably.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      Something.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell3:18

      Yeah. And yet right now, it seems to be like it needs to be Christianity. Like there needs to be, like every president that has aligned themselves with...

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      It's like we're trapped in this, this thing that you are when you're young. You know this thing you are when you're young, where you're looking at the people that are older than you? You're looking at society and you're like 16, you're just starting to think, "Goddamn, I'm gonna be graduating from high school soon. What am I gonna do with my life?" You know, it's, you're filled with so much angst.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell3:46

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       But you always think, "Yeah, this shit doesn't make any sense, but one day it will. And one day, we'll be the grownups."

   12. DTDuncan Trussell3:55

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       "And we'll be the ones that get to make the rules and we'll go, 'Hey, this is, we're doing things all wrong, folks. We're doing things out of momentum rather than out of logic.'" But that time never comes. And then all of a sudden, you're like you or I, where you're middle-aged.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell4:10

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       We're middle-aged men.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell4:11

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       I'm a 51-year-old man.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell4:12

       45.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       I'm almost 52. We're middle-aged, if we're lucky, if we're super lucky. Reality, we're closer to death.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell4:19

       Yeah, for sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       For sure. So, and we're still trapped by this thing where you, you have to pretend you absolutely know. Look, live your life like Jesus is real. Live your life like you wanna follow those tenets, and you'll probably live a better life, if you really follow the actual true tenets of Christianity. But if you really wanna believe that a guy came back to life, and that it only happened once, and that you have to follow this book-

   22. DTDuncan Trussell4:48

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       ... and if you don't follow this book that was clearly written and rewritten and fucked with by people, and you know that people are known liars.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell4:55

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Like there's, why do we have court? Because people lie. What really happened? You have to fucking get a bunch of people to sit down and figure out what really happened. 'Cause this guy's saying, "I didn't do anything, Your Honor."

   26. DTDuncan Trussell5:04

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       And they got prints and DNA.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell5:06

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       And in, in that world of known liars, we believe a crazy story that was written when people had no science, but we accept it because we think it makes the world a better place.

3. 5:19 – 7:23

   What’s real? The self as a belief system (Bigfoot analogy)

   1. DTDuncan Trussell5:19

      Yeah, man, it's nuts. And there's like so many levels of that, where it's like, yeah, that's one obvious level, that if you want to take Jesus literally, which is, you have to in certain, um, forms of Christianity, you're gonna have to deal with some pretty severe cognitive dissonance. You'll be taught maybe to question your instincts. But then, go one step deeper and start thinking... 'Cause the real question is, well, what is real? Like I mean, the ob- there's obvious shit that's clearly bullshit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell5:48

      But wait, the- then when you start going down, you realize like, you get to the point of the self.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      Mm-hmm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell5:53

      And then, you start realizing that the self and this Jesus that everyone believes in are very similar in the sense that, like, you know, I don't say, "I believe in gravity."... you would think I was crazy if I said... It would be a crazy thing to say, like, "You know, I believe there's gravity." There is gravity. It's testable, it works. But what do you always hear when people are like, "If you want to succeed, what do you do? You believe in yourself." And it's like, well, wait, what do you mean believe in yourself? I am a self. Why do I have to believe-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      Mm-hmm.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell6:22

      ... in it, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:23

      Well-

   9. DTDuncan Trussell6:23

      So that-

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       ... it's just a, it's a clunky way of saying self-doubt is crippling.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell6:28

       (clicks tongue) Well, the... Self-doubt, self, you know, rejection, I hate myself, I love myself-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Mm-hmm.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell6:34

       All these things have within it this concept of the self. And a lot of folks, uh, have not spent much time really exploring, like, well, what is the, what is the self? Like, what is my particular self? And, uh, I think, it, it kind of reminds me of, uh, when we were Sasquatch hunting. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       (laughs)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell6:54

       You know, the self, or the, the, many people's self is very similar to Bigfoot.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       Yeah.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell6:59

       It's a thing that they imagine that there's signs of, but they've never really quite seen the Bigfoot, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       Right, right.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell7:05

       But, you know, "Remember the feather in the trail?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       Boo-hoo.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell7:08

       "It's a gift. It means he likes you."

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       Yeah. They would-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell7:11

       Th- Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       ... think that Sasquatches were taking and leaving gifts, taking their gifts and leaving their own gifts, swapping gifts.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell7:17

       Yeah, yeah. And we are-

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       They believed it.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell7:19

       They believed it for-

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       They believed it the same-

   29. DTDuncan Trussell7:21

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       ... way people believe in a religion, you know?
4. 7:23 – 13:26

   Mormonism, ‘profundity machines,’ and separating wisdom from fairytales

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      I, I had a friend, and she was a Mormon. I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it. Um, th- she was a Mormon, but I think it's important. And she was a, a devout her whole life, and then the family just fell out of it. And then they started realizing, like they started go- going into the history of it, and they, they started thinking it was preposterous. It was right around when Book of Mormon was coming out, too. You know, that hilarious musical. And-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell7:46

      I didn't see it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:46

      It's great. It's really good. Uh, but she was really honest about it. She was like, "The problem is, like, growing up in that fundamentalist background, it makes me very susceptible to, like, healers, and, like, psychics, and clairvoyants," and bullshit r- spiritual people, sp- She's like-

   4. DTDuncan Trussell8:01

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:01

      "I get sucked into bullshit." And she was, like, almost kind of upset.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell8:05

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      I mean, no, not almost. Like, she was kind of upset, but, like, perplexed. Like, how do you rewire yourself when you've been trained to believe that a 14-year-old boy in 1820 found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus-

   8. DTDuncan Trussell8:19

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      ... and that all the Native Americans were the lost tribe of Israel? (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell8:22

       Oh, my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       Like, I mean, this is, that's the story, right?

   12. DTDuncan Trussell8:25

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       A 14-year-old boy, he had a magic rock-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell8:27

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       ... he was the only one who could read it.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell8:29

       It's crazy, too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       She started looking into it.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell8:31

       And she, uh, she's out. She, like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Gone, yeah.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell8:33

       Gone.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:34

       Gone.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell8:34

       And that's sad, too, man, because, like, y- if you ta- you could take some, like, basic tenets which are true, and not based on... It kind of reminds me of, like, you know, you hear of someone who's taken ayahuasca, and he comes to you, and he's got a profound message that came to him from some mythological creature, a dragon-

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       (laughs) Yep.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell8:53

       ... a butterfly-

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Yep.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell8:54

       ... has told him some kind of profound fucking thing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:57

       Yeah.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell8:58

       And you realize, oh, the bubble machine-

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       Oh, the bubble machine's running.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell9:00

       ... of profundity.
5. 13:26 – 19:41

   Zombies, gut biomes, autism speculation, and the ‘superorganism’ idea

   1. DTDuncan Trussell13:26

      So Christianity, it's, on one level, are you fucking kidding me? It's like... A- I- I have this nerdy part of me, man, when you were doing the Jesus is a zombie thing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell13:35

      I really wanted to be like, well, technically not a zombie.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      Not a zombie if you die and come back to life?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell13:39

      I don't think so because he was buried, right? Like, a zom- Like, he did come back to life.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:44

      But there's a- there's a move in jujitsu called the zombie.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell13:48

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:48

      And what the zombie is, is when you're in mission control and you're trying to get an underhook, you push your hand through like a zombie rising through the ground. So zombies get buried.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell13:59

      Yeah, but I guess, you know, I- I don't wanna get into, like, a deep topic.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell14:02

       But why not? Let's break it up. So what is a zom- like, when- when is it just a person who's, like, severely disabled and when is it a zombie? Well, you know what I mean? Like, as a-

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Well, if they're dead.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell14:13

       Okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       If they're dead, they die. Their heart stops beating.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell14:15

       But they're-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       Their doctor says they're dead.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell14:16

       You would be, like, a complete asshole if you're like, "They have the s- They have the same intelligence as humans." They're clearly, there's some brain damage has happened to a zombie, right? It's a-

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       In most movies.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell14:26

       It's a person with brain damage-

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       Is there any zombie movies where they're smart?

   21. DTDuncan Trussell14:30

       I've ne- Th- That's just every movie.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Yeah, but I- There's... I guarantee, like, there's- there's zombie movies where they run fast.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell14:37

       That was an evolution of the zombie.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       Yes.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell14:39

       It started running. The zombie became, like, kinda like hyper-violent.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       Mm-hmm.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell14:43

       And then... But still, I guess what they all have in common is that they're technically, they're dead in the sense they don't have a heartbeat. They're not dead. Like, a biologist would be like, "The zombie is alive."

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       Right.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell14:52

       "It's just like a fungus now or something."

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       It's running through a parasite inside of it, essentially.
6. 19:41 – 22:12

   Information as junk food: screen time, algorithms, and emotional hijacking

   1. DTDuncan Trussell19:41

      And also, this is something I've been thinking about is like, how much data we're eating, which is equivalent to Twinkies. It's like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:49

      Right.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell19:49

      ... you eat a bunch of Twinkies, your body starts hurting, then you're just slurping up whatever the fuck on the phone, right? Which I, by the way, I'm talking about me.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:57

      Mm-hmm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell19:58

      This is what I do. I, you know, my bouncing around from like, Drudge Report to Huffington Report to Reddit Conspiracy to Reddit What the Fuck? (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      Zip popping. How long before you're looking at like-

   7. DTDuncan Trussell20:08

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:09

      ... a zip popping video? And then that takes you down into a place of like- Mm-hmm. ... "Oh, let's just move to animal cysts being-" Yep.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell20:15

      And then b- and then you fall asleep, you wake up screaming.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Yep.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell20:17

       And that's the equivalent of getting like, gas, isn't it? From eating like, a huge Taco Bell meal. Only instead of farting, you're just, just screaming in the middle of the night 'cause you dreamed a cult was dragging you into the forest. It's like, this is, to me, we seem to have not quite acknowledged that data is as much a f- is like a food.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:37

       Yes.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell20:37

       And that so much of the weirdness that is, uh, people are showing these like, strange behaviors, it's gotta be 'cause of the crazy shit they're sucking into their optic nerves, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       It is. It's also the ability to affect people v- very rapidly, whether to get a reaction from someone positive or negative. People are so addicted to that.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell20:57

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:58

       I watch people getting in these Twitter beefs back and forth and y- it's fucking smart people, man. A smart friend of mine, who I respect greatly, tried to get me to retweet something mean that he was saying to someone else. I'm like, "Get the fuck out of here."

   17. DTDuncan Trussell21:10

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Like, "What are you s- what are you doing?"

   19. DTDuncan Trussell21:12

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Like, "What are you doing with your time?" We get ... uh, the one thing that I've done over the last week, we did a podcast with, uh, Bert and Tom and Ari, and we all looked at the amount of screen time we put on our phones 'cause Ari was proposing no smartphones.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell21:25

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       Um, and my ph- fucking screen time was like, four hours-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell21:29

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       ... for a day. I was like, "What?" And, um, I'll lie to myself and I'll say, "Oh, well most of that's email and taking care of business."

   25. DTDuncan Trussell21:37

       Yeah, me too.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       No, most of it is going through Google News feed looking for crazy stories of like, animal attacks.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell21:42

       Abso- (wheezes) (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       (laughs) That's what I'm always looking at, man. I watched a video today of a guy riding his dirt bike and a bear's chasing him. I'm like, "What in the fuck? What is happening?"

   29. DTDuncan Trussell21:52

       Look, man, I don't want to try to like, uh, enable your addiction-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       Mm.
7. 22:12 – 27:40

   Wildlife reality checks: hunting, predators, and managing ecosystems

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:12

      People do have a very weird idea of what animals are, and I think that av- the average person, I'm, I'm certainly no expert, but amongst the average person, I have a much better understanding of wildlife because I'm out in the wild-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell22:27

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:28

      ... several times a year hunting. It's a different world. It's a different world. I'm no expert, but my perception of it is as someone who sees wildlife in, in the wild. I see dead ones that other ones have killed. We came across a calf that had been ripped apart by wolves. I mean, we, we see stuff. And you realize what that is, (clears throat) what that, what that fucking forest really is.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell22:53

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:53

      It's this competing, uh, ecosystem of life.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell22:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:57

      And it's going on all the time, and there's big things jacking smaller things, and there's birds snatching things off the ground and snatching other birds outta trees.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell23:05

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      And it's happening all the time, and it's magic. And you have to have it that way because otherwise the, the whole population of the planet would be overrun. You have to have your sorrow of watching the bear tear apart the fawn. That has to happen because if it didn't happen, you'd have too many fawns. They'd be everywhere. You'd have too many deer.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell23:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       And you have to have someone who can take care of the bears, otherwise the bears will overrun the city where the humans live.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell23:29

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       And we need to think about that, and people don't want to because they don't wanna shoot Yogi. They don't wanna shoot Yogi and Booboo.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell23:35

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:35

       They're our friends. This is a teddy bear. I grew up with a bear. You don't know what a bear is. I've seen a bear in the wild. When you see a bear in the wild, you're like, "Oh, (bangs table) you're, you don't give a fuck about me." You're some weird, heartless beast that is majestic looking-

   16. DTDuncan Trussell23:50

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       ... who runs around eating moose and deer babies. That's what your deal is. You eat grass and berries and you like to lay around. You're fucking cool as shit. It's a cool-ass animal.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell24:01

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       It doesn't mean you hate it, but you gotta understand what the fuck it is. It's not like this idea like people don't want, um, people to hunt bears in certain places. Like, particularly like, uh, they're, they're, they're trying to regulate the size of, uh, the amount of grizzly bears in certain parts of the country. They're like, "Hey, we, we need to keep a handle on this." Like, the couple people get mauled.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell24:23

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:23

       You know, people start walking through Yellowstone and get attacked. It happens like, a little bit more rapidly. The numbers get to a certain ... And they're like, "These things have no fear of people. Like, we can actually help the population if they hand out bear tags." And people start freaking out, "You can't kill the bears."... you can't kill the bears. Don't you kill the bear-

   22. DTDuncan Trussell24:42

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       There's a reason why there's no fucking bears in California, Duncan, only black bears. Th- Our fucking state flag has a grizzly bear on it. Did you ever notice that?

   24. DTDuncan Trussell24:49

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       Yeah. The state flag has a grizzly bear. They eradicated all the grizzly bears-

   26. DTDuncan Trussell24:54

       Oh, shit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:54

       ... because they were eating people. So in the fucking 1800s, dude, there's a town, I think it's called Levesque. I think it's called Levesque. It's out near, like, on the way to Bakersfield.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell25:06

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:06

       Lebec? Lebec. I think it's called Lebec. B- It's a town named after the last dude that got killed by a grizzly bear in California.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell25:13

       Fuck.
8. 27:40 – 32:31

   Sentience everywhere? Mycelium networks, panpsychism, and morphic resonance

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:40

      But it's a b- it's a bit of a cop-out, even saying that, my, my, my saying that, because the reality is, there's another solution. The solution is organic gardening.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell27:48

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:48

      Right? So you can organically garden. If you get a, a, a plot of land and get some friends together, you could all grow enough vegetables so that you don't have to take place in lar- which, l- with large-scale agriculture. Or if you're dealing, rather, with large-scale agriculture. That's the problem. The problem is we have to feed... And just in LA alone, the greater Los Angeles area, what is it, like, 20 million-something people? That's so many goddamn people.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell28:10

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:10

      And no one's growing anything other than weed. So what do we have?

   6. DTDuncan Trussell28:13

      (laughs) Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:13

      What do we have? We have someone has to grow this fucking food for us. So they have to do it large scale.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell28:18

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:18

      (clears throat) And when they do it large scale, it c- it inv- involves combines, and those fucking things are indiscriminate. They're just chewing up the ground. And things get caught up in it, and that's why when they clean fields, when they pick whatever they're growing, you always see vultures. After they run the combine, you see vultures circling the fields 'cause they know, rabbits and rats and-

   10. DTDuncan Trussell28:37

       Jesus, man.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       ... and all kinds of bugs. I mean, any kind of bu- I mean, I don't know if you care about bugs. Which is, that's a weird thing, right? It's like, vegans will get to this, some vegans will get to this, like, line where they're like, "Yeah, but that's a mosquito. Uh, fuck mosquitoes."

   12. DTDuncan Trussell28:50

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:50

       "They, they have malaria." You know, you get to, like, a life form ethical boundary-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell28:55

       That's right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:55

       ... where you can't relate to a roach.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell28:57

       Also, the hilarious thing when it comes to assigning levels of sentience, and then based on that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:04

       Mm-hmm.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell29:04

       ... deciding if you should eat something or not, you run into, like, a lot of weird problems. Which is like, number one, you're assuming a lot.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:12

       Yeah.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell29:12

       Just because they don't have the sort of nervous system you have. I mean, and who knows? We project most of everything we are into the world, and we don't really know what the phenomena is. But I saw some, like, video of a little, of an ant taking care of the ant's baby. And I don't know if you, you've probably heard about how trees communicate with the, um-

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       Mycelium?

   22. DTDuncan Trussell29:33

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       Yeah.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell29:34

       And, like, how they'll send nutrients to their children.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:37

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell29:38

       And then, so th- then you start running into, I, I think which is a really fascinating problem, which is, what if it's all alive and sentient and feeling for real? What if the, there is, throughout the entire universe, just a sentient field of consciousness that is interacting with matter in a way that it produces what we call life, and that life is feeling terror, love? Maybe in different ways than we would understand it, but it's still there.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       You know, there's, that's, uh, really under consideration by legitimate scientists. In fact, um, Sam Harris's wife just wrote a book about that.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell30:13

       Oh, really?

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       It's one of the subjects of the... It's called Conscious. And... Conscious or Consciousness. Sorry. I don't remember which. I haven't read it yet, but I heard them talk about it on his podcast. And the concept that used to be, like, super woo-woo was what if everything has consciousness?

   30. DTDuncan Trussell30:29

       Yeah.
9. 32:31 – 41:44

   UFO ‘Tic Tacs,’ radar vs eyewitness, and black-ops budgets

   1. DTDuncan Trussell32:31

      ... crazy fucking UFOs. I'm sorry if you've talked about this a bunch on the podcast, but the UFOs that we're seeing that the, you know, navy is releasing these videos of these Tic Tacs zipping around.

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell32:42

      And it's navy pilots. It's not the people we interviewed in that show. It's navy pilots-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:48

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell32:48

      ... who are like, "Yeah, I don't know what the fuck this is." And I was, I have great conversations with Uber drivers and, like, we were talking about it and this guy was like, and a lot of them are programmers and shit. And this guy was like, "It's probably a techni- it's a glitch in the, in the type of radar they're using. I think it must be a glitch. I mean, that's the most likely, uh, reality."

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:08

      Hmm.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell33:08

      "They're not seeing it with their own eyes."

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:10

      They're not?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell33:11

      I don't think so. I think they're just picking it up on radar and so he's like, "It, maybe it's a glitch or maybe it's, like..."

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:16

       We should find that out. Can you Google, um, if the pilots were picking it up on radar? The pilots spotted UFO, to see if they've, because I know some guys have spotted things with their own eyes.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell33:31

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       I know, I know for sure some guys have.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell33:33

       I'm, I just, I'm not sure if the data sa- I think-

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:35

       Well, it's probably ver- relevant to the conversation, though.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell33:37

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:37

       It's a probably a good thing that we know. People listening going, "Yeah, what the fuck?" Um, (sighs) I get super skeptical.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell33:44

       You have to.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       I feel like, I feel like almost like it's a plot. (smacks lips) I don't wanna go full Eddie Bravo, but I feel like when I see people talking about UFOs, I'm like, "Okay, what else is going on? What are you distracting me from?"

   19. DTDuncan Trussell33:56

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:57

       "Is this really a big issue?" I was like, "Is it really happening? Well, can I see it? What do you got? Got nothing? Oh, you got, like, some radar. You got radar from one, two pilots, three pilots. Okay, I believe it, but I wanna see more. Why do I wanna see more? Like, what am I..." And you'll get caught up in it. It'll, it'll chew up hours of your day.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell34:16

       Yeah, man. I know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:16

       There's a lot, a lot of those guys that we ran into on that show, I felt bad for them, because they didn't understand what had happened to them. They'd gotten caught in this weird loop of looking for secrets and looking for mysteries to be solved-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell34:32

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:32

       ... and looking for hidden conspiracies.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell34:35

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:35

       And they get caught in that. And some of that shit is real, which is part of the problem.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell34:40

       Hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:41

       Some of it, you can come across the Gulf of Tonkin and the Northwoods, Operation Northwoods, you can g- come across a bunch of them that are real.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell34:48

       Sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:48

       Enron, you could see how they put that together, and you're like, "What?" You could see real crazy conspiring-
10. 41:44 – 49:19

    Ideas as living things and Buddhism’s ‘eight consciousnesses’

    1. DTDuncan Trussell41:44

       But if you look at like the history of the great ideas, a lot of them did come from, uh, like weird moments.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:53

       Mm-hmm.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell41:53

       You know, like Tesla, like basically had a seizure and felt like it was being contacted by something.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:58

       Mm-hmm.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell41:58

       Like, you do run into stories of, at the very least, inspiration, but quite often innovation coming to people via like weird-

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:09

       Like a transmission almost.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell42:11

       ... like transmission. Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:12

       Well, I have, I've been thinking this for a long time, that maybe ideas are living things. And these ideas, even though they... You think of them as something your brain's creating-And maybe your brain is creating it.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell42:27

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:27

        But maybe it uses your brain to create it so that it can manifest itself in the real world.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell42:32

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:33

        So when you have ideas, whether they are ideas that turn out to be art or music, like, you know, Jimi Hendrix comes out with Voodoo Child, you're, y- you are inspired by that.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell42:44

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:44

        You see it, it gives you a great feeling, you exchange currency to listen to it. I mean, just that one song. How much money has been generated by Voodoo Child? I mean, it's one of the greatest songs in the history-

    15. DTDuncan Trussell42:54

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:54

        ... of the known universe. It's the opening guitar riff, I've listened to that 1,000 times, easy. I listen to it all the time. Whenever I'm, I'm like, I need a pick-me-up... (singing)

    17. DTDuncan Trussell43:06

        Yeah. Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:07

        I mean, it's just, it's a masterpiece, it's a masterpiece of music. And where'd that idea come from? Well, it came from his brain, right? But where was it before it was in his brain? Well, how did his brain cook it up? And what is it? What are these things that are just floating around that you grab-

    19. DTDuncan Trussell43:22

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:22

        ... out of culture? And how do you turn them into something that people go crazy for?

    21. DTDuncan Trussell43:27

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        'Cause occasionally a guy will take one of those ideas and make Voodoo Child, or, you know, make, uh, someone else's song, or make someone else's-

    23. DTDuncan Trussell43:35

        Sure.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:35

        ... painting or, or, you know, make a fucking building that's inspiring. There's these things that come into your head.

    25. DTDuncan Trussell43:41

        That's right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:42

        And you're, you, y- at the end, what they really do is they're like the eggs of objects, because they, they come to your mind, you think about them, and then you say, "I'm gonna make a fucking clock."

    27. DTDuncan Trussell43:55

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:55

        And you start making a clock.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell43:57

        That's right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:57

        It's like, where is that coming from? Where, oh, it's just your creativity and it's just your mind, it's just your imagination. And, well, it's just your thought process, your synapses firing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. We're all, you're absolutely right. There's no real woo-woo. Or is there? What the fuck is a thought? Figure that out. No one knows what that is.
11. 49:19 – 1:03:22

    Raptors, sloths, sky burials, and humanity’s violent imagination

    1. DTDuncan Trussell49:19

       Have you seen that Planet Earth with that poor sloth? That poor, horny, lonely sloth?

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:23

       He's horny? How do you know?

    3. DTDuncan Trussell49:24

       I'm pretty sure it was a sloth. It was some kind of slow-moving tree creature, and they set it up. You know, I don't know how much of it is real, like how much of it is they're just f- filming animals and telling a story about them. But this sloth is horny, like, bl- it howls out into the forest, like, (howls) and it hears, like, a shriek-

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:42

       Wow.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell49:42

       ... of an, of a woman, a female, like, meh. And it's like, "Oh, fuck." You know, it's, they-

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:47

       Look at that.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell49:47

       Yeah. This poor guy, look how fu-... Can you get it from where he's in the tree? Are we allowed to show this?

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:51

       So he doesn't-

    9. JVJamie Vernon49:51

       I'm not showing it, but yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:52

        Don't show it. So he, he doesn't have a girlfriend? That's what's up?

    11. DTDuncan Trussell49:55

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:55

        He's an incel?

    13. DTDuncan Trussell49:56

        He's climbed-

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:57

        The incel of the sloth world?

    15. DTDuncan Trussell49:58

        This is, and it's incel sloth. It's not, because this one's actually wo- you can see th- uh, this sloth is going for it. It's like, it's not staying (laughs) in his apartment on the internet. It's-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:07

        Bro.

    17. DTDuncan Trussell50:08

        ... it's leaving his tree, swimming across an ocean, climbing up another tree.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:13

        But what a dirty trick nature played on this motherfucker, to have him move so slow, everyone can catch you.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell50:20

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        It's like, nature's like, "Listen, you guys are too fucking stupid. There's too many of you. We're gonna have to have it so eagles pick you off." So they have 'em so slow, literally no one can miss them. What a goddamn dirty trick. You ever see a bear run? They run fast.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell50:35

        Yeah. It's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:36

        You ever see a fucking wolf or a coyote run?

    23. DTDuncan Trussell50:39

        No.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:39

        They're ridiculous. This poor bastard? This poor bastard is going so slow, it looks like he's on slow-mo. Like, we're looking at the leaves-

    25. DTDuncan Trussell50:47

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:47

        ... the leaves are moving at a normal speed, but he looks like he's on fucking slow-mo.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell50:51

        He looks like he's been eating benzos for the last nine months-

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:54

        Yes.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell50:54

        ... like just fucked up. He's got a infinite Xanax prescription, but yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:00

        Yeah. He's barely getting by.
12. 1:03:22 – 1:21:58

    Lying, camouflage, and self-deception (plus Goggins and comfort traps)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:22

       Also, imagine when you found out that you could lie, like the first liars.

    2. DTDuncan Trussell1:03:27

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

       'Cause it's like, there were people that would have language, and then people, once they started communicating, like, "Hey, who fucking ate the tomatoes?" "Psh, not me." (gasps) And you realize you can get away with that.

    4. DTDuncan Trussell1:03:39

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:39

       You could lie and say you didn't eat tomatoes when you did. Who was the first liar? 'Cause before language, there was no liars. There's no liars in the lion kingdom. It's not even a concept, 'cause you- you can't have a lie until you have communication.

    6. DTDuncan Trussell1:03:54

       Well, you could say there's d- I guess you could say lying is the equivalent of camouflage, in the sense that when you see a- some of these insane, like, uh, animals, b- bugs in particular, that look like flowers-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:08

       Mm-hmm. Sure.

    8. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:10

       ... that look like, you know, it-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:10

       That's, yeah, that's a lie, in a way.

    10. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:11

        ... it's a form of deception.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:12

        Yeah.

    12. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:12

        It's a form of evolutionary deception. So, yeah, I think that, like, it's a linguistic, it's a linguistic camouflage that people use to try to, like, navigate through society.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:24

        Not just people. Monkeys.

    14. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:25

        And monkeys, too.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:26

        Monkeys use language and they lie to each other.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:28

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

        They found out that monkeys have a very specific sound they make when it's an eagle, and they have an other sound that they make when it's a cat, like something on the ground. So, they have something for up high-

    18. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:40

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

        ... and something on the ground. And so one monkey will yell out something like, "Oh, an eagle's coming." The other monkeys scatter, and then he gets the fruit.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:48

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        He's like, "Ha ha!"

    22. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:50

        That's crazy.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:51

        "Fucking bitches." (laughs)

    24. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:52

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:53

        And then they'll- they'll yell that something's on the ground, they'll run up to the trees. They lie to each other.

    26. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:57

        To me, one of the funniest fucking thing is how much we lie to ourselves.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

        Mm.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:02

        That's where it gets amazing. It's like, you know, you were talking about, and I've done the exact same thing with screen time, when you're presented that humiliating number of hours-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Ugh.

    30. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:12

        ... and you've been telling friends you're busy, and you're fucking looking at that just thinking like, "Dude, I've been, like, you know, looking at bullshit." But then, before you do that, you're like, "But it's my job, you know, I've got to kind of be online." It's like, no, you're addicted to technology, and because you can't stand the fact that you don't have the discipline to stop using it, you would rather make up a story involving some absolutely verifiable bullshit so that you don't have to deal with the fact that you aren't in full control of yourself.

Episode duration: 2:54:52