Joe Rogan Experience #1318 - Hotep Jesus

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:00 (humming) Two, one, boom. (hands slamming) Hotep Jesus. How are you, sir?

Jamie Vernon 0:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:05 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:05 I always wanted to say that. I wanted to call somebody that. I need that drop.

Joe Rogan 0:09 How the fuck did you get a name like Hotep Jesus? How'd that come about?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:13 It wasn't my idea. You know, I was, uh, I had just went through my, uh, spiritual awakening.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Oh, shit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:18 I just left the hip hop industry, and I went through, like, that Mase thing, you know, where you go to church after-

Joe Rogan 0:21 What are you doing with the headgear? We, we got, you got a lot going on up there.

Jamie Vernon 0:24 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:24 I had to tie my hair down. This is a Black thing, man. I got school you on that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:29 So you had a-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:30 So-

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... spiritual awakening.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:31 Yeah, I had this spiritual awakening, and I'm, you know, tweeting on Twitter like I do.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:36 And, uh, somebody said, "What do you think you are? Some kind of Hotep Jesus?"

Joe Rogan 0:40 Ooh, that's good.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:41 And I was just like, "Ooh, that's sexy."

Joe Rogan 0:43 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:43 "Yes, I do think I'm Hotep Jesus."

Joe Rogan 0:45 That's perfect, and now you own it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:47 Now I own it.

Joe Rogan 0:48 That per- that person is probably like, "Fuck!"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:51 "Goddammit, that was a great name I gave that dude."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:53 Yeah, I don't know who that person is or was, or where they are now, but-

Joe Rogan 0:57 Shout out to whoever you are.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 0:58 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 0:59 And Vibe High, your Twitter, why didn't you switch it to Hotep Jesus? Can you switch it?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:04 Does anybody own Hotep Jesus?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06 I do.

Joe Rogan 1:07 You, so you have Hotep Jesus on Twitter too?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:09 Yeah, I reserved it.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Oh, dude. I think they could probably swap... Do you have a, one of them cute little blue check marks yet?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:14 No.

Joe Rogan 1:15 D- what the fuck is that? How do you get one of those?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:17 I don't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17 There's some people, there's some people that have those that have like 1,000 followers. Like how are you-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21 How are you getting that? Like, if you work for the New York Times or some shit?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:23 I thought you had those.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Not at all, not at all.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:25 It's like I'll do Joe, and then I get verified, right?

Joe Rogan 1:27 I don't th- know how Twitter feels about me. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:31 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:31 I don't... I mean, I think Jack likes me. He's been in a couple of times, but I think the whole-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35 They're, they're weird, man. They want, I mean, I think all social media, all tech companies want you to toe a line right now. And if you're not towing that line, and you bring on forbidden guests, and you have people that have controversial ideas, you know, they, they have that finger on the button of getting rid of you. They don't know what to do.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:53 It's just like radio.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:54 You know? Like radio, uh, a lot of people don't know it, but radio has to play happy songs, 'cause happy people buy things. Um-

Joe Rogan 2:01 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 2:02 Yeah, that's... Well, that's what the studies say, allegedly. The marketing studies and advertising studies say people who are in a good mood tend to buy things, right? So, the radio is supposed to play happy songs all day long. And the radio works for the advertisers, kinda like media, you know-

Joe Rogan 2:16 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 2:16 ... so on and so forth, so social media's no different. They have advertisers. So if there's people on the platform who are creating disgruntled crowds, it could be hurting the bottom line.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah, but Facebook's algorithm actually favors that. The way Facebook has it set up, like say if-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 2:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:32 ... if you, uh, if you get into debates with people on abortion, or something, like, very controversial, they will start sending that shit to your feed. They will, they will prop... It, it will, it will, they'll sort of steer it in your direction. Because the more you engage, the more clicks they get, the more money they get, the more advertising dollars they get.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 2:50 Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, the Facebook algorithm is quite unique in, uh, the way that things can go viral there. Um, Twitter, I feel like, uh, the, the Twitter safety and counsel board-

Joe Rogan 3:04 Hmm. Yeah, what do they call it? Trust and safety?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:06 Yeah, is that what it's called?

Joe Rogan 3:07 Yeah, something like that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:07 Yeah, so when I go and look at the entities that contribute to that board, I kinda start seeing, oh, okay, I see why certain topics are taboo.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:16 You know? Um, there's... When you ha- when there's a board, those people on the board are the voice.

Joe Rogan 3:23 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:24 They're the ones that have the opinion, you know? So if your group isn't represented, maybe you need to figure out how to get on that board. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 3:31 Right, I don't know if anybody's getting on that board. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:33 No, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 3:35 And you better be left-wing if you're gonna get on that board.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Just, I don't think there's any right-wing people-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:39 But do you think, like-

Joe Rogan 3:41 ... on that board.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:41 ... is... I think Jack's more, like, in the middle, right?

Joe Rogan 3:43 Yes.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:44 I think he's closer to the middle. I don't think it's Jack. I think it's... You know, Jack's working on a bunch of different projects.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:49 Um, but I think it's probably, you know, whoever else is in the office, making the day-to-day decisions.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Yeah, I like Jack a lot-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 3:58 Minute to minute.

Joe Rogan 3:58 ... but I think Jack is in the middle of a gigantic corporation.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:02 And there's so many people with so many ide- E- e- essentially, the founding fathers of our country had a great idea when it comes to freedom of expression.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:11 They felt like it was very important that you have free speech, and th- they don't... You can't be silenced. You can't be... You, y- you can't be undermined by people who disagree with you, becau- it's dangerous. It's dangerous-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:22 ... when someone can just decide that you can't have a voice anymore, and only their voice can be heard.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:28 And we're kinda seeing that with Twitter, and we're kinda seeing that with Facebook, and with Google, and they're, they're deciding what could be heard and what not could be heard. They think they're doing it for good reasons. They think they're doing it to preserve our culture and our civilization, and they wanna protect people from the election. Do you know Reddit shut down The_Donald? The, uh, the, The_Donald_Trump support, uh, Reddit page?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:50 That's not a good idea.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:52 The... Right, right before the Dem-

Joe Rogan 4:54 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 4:54 ... the Dem debate.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Right before the Democratic debate, and, you know, that was, like, where all the funny memes come from. And, look, man, this... You, you can't do that. I mean, it, the... Just because... If you have some people that are saying some shit that's bad on there, get rid of those people. Get rid of that. But you can't just shut down a whole forum. Like, it seems... That seems insane.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:15 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 5:16 Is there a reason for it?

Jamie Vernon 5:17 Yeah, it's not a shutdown. It says it's quarantined for-

Joe Rogan 5:19 Yeah, what the fuck does that mean? Does it have a disease?

Jamie Vernon 5:21 Uh, it's for, like, temporary suspension.

Joe Rogan 5:23 It's got Ebola?

Jamie Vernon 5:24 It happens to people. They gotta do something. I don't... It says there's violent threats. I'm looking to see what happened.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Oh, okay.

Jamie Vernon 5:28 Repeated misbehavior, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Violent threats.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:31 Hmm.

Jamie Vernon 5:32 We'll see.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:32 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Skeptical?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:35 Very.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Seems weird, right? I, I feel like all-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:37 I mean-

Joe Rogan 5:38 ... this stuff is n- it... Like, we're seeing what the First Amendment is really all about, why it exists. We're seeing it play out-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 ... with all these social media sites. I really think that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:48 But, you know, the... My thing is with, like, the Reddit thing, right? It's very easy to create an actor, right? The left can create a right-wing actor online to pretend like it's something about... It's-

Joe Rogan 5:58 Sure.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 5:59 It's something else. They can go into Reddit, do something malicious to get the whole Reddit banned, right? Or get quarantined.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Like an agent provocateur.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:07 Yeah, exactly. And, uh-I never leave that off the table when I look at instances like this-

Joe Rogan 6:12 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:13 ... when they say, "Oh, somebody was..." It's the internet. Everybody's anonymous, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:16 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:16 How are you tracking this back to who it is? You know what I mean? Do you know if it's conservative? Do you know if it's a Republican? Are you sure? So, you know, I take these things, these pieces of information, with a grain of salt.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah. You should.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:27 But is this election meddling?

Joe Rogan 6:30 (smacks lips) It kind of is, right? If you're-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:32 It's what it feels like.

Joe Rogan 6:32 If you're killing a whole sub... Well, it does- it depends. So-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:35 I mean, well-

Joe Rogan 6:36 So if they're really... That would be really interesting if it turns out that it was someone from the left that was posing as someone from the right in order to shut down a forum and pretend there's death threats or...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 6:46 But I mean, you look at YouTube, right? And what, what's been happening with YouTube, uh, even just the algorithm. You know, uh, I'm pretty good with keywords. I do SEO and marketing. So when I type in certain keywords or fr- find certain things, I know what's gonna come up or what type of content comes up. Now, when I type in those keywords, it's like A-B-C, N-B-C-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 7:06 ... A-B-C, C-N-N. And I'm like, "That's not what I wanted." They, they don't even talk about these keywords.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 7:10 What are you talking about? (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 7:12 So when you start seeing that, you start thinking about Ingsoc and Orwell and 1984-

Joe Rogan 7:17 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 7:17 ... and socialism and communism and fascism and, uh, the degradation of society. And, um, uh, a lot of control coming down. Um, you know, people, uh... You know, in some ways it's like, was the internet created for freedom or was it contr- created for control, right? So th- there's two different pathways we could probably look at there, but it seems like, in many ways, they set us up to be controlled. And they're doing it through monopolies. Google controls search, through YouTube and Google, and by what you search, you can think it's the truth, but what did Kanye say? Kanye said Google lied to you.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:00 You know? So-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Kanye says a lot of crazy shit, though. You gotta really think about that. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:05 He does. And I like crazy.

Joe Rogan 8:07 (coughs) I do, too. I'm a big fan of crazy.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:08 I'm a little crazy. A lot of crazy sometimes.

Joe Rogan 8:11 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:11 So I appreciate his crazy side more than his calm side.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Hm. Well, great things come from wild thoughts.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:18 Right. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 8:20 I think the internet was i- initially created to exchange information and then, when it got loose to the general public, they realized what a crazy idea that was.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:29 What I think we're seeing right now with the algorithms is that these corporations are influencing these companies to say, "Hey, when someone's looking for these things, how about you send them over to ABC? How about you send them over to NBC? How about you..." You know, like, "We want to be able to get the first views on these things."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:44 Mm.

Joe Rogan 8:44 "So if someone's searching for that..." I don't know how they do it. I don't know what they... Uh, whether they have agreements with them, maybe. I mean, there's also a lot of copywritten shit that's on there that could get YouTube in some significant trouble if they ever really decided to pursue it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 8:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:57 And how many videos are on YouTube that people have on their channel that are just f- straight off of Fox News or NBC News or... I mean, there's a lot of, like, copyright-protected content that-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:07 ... YouTube is essentially profiting off of.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:10 Oh, yeah. Yeah, they make a ton of money off of that stuff.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:13 Um...

Joe Rogan 9:13 So they might have deals where they say, "Look, we'll send these people to, you know, this first."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:19 Yeah. And that's why I say, you know, that's where the control comes in, you know, the advertisers.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:23 The advertisers are the ones paying, you know, for the platform-

Joe Rogan 9:27 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:27 ... to be a thing. It's not us, the users, that are paying for it. Uh, YouTube is free. So who's paying, right?

Joe Rogan 9:32 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:33 They're, they're, they're monetizing us. They're monetizing us, the users and the viewers. Um-

Joe Rogan 9:37 Yeah, that's where it gets tricky, right? S- 'cause as soon as the advertisers get on board, they say, "Look, we, uh, you know, we wanna give you money, but this content is not advertiser friendly."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Yeah, and then they start moving stuff around and de-monetizing things. And, and with de-monetization, the real thing that they're doing in a lot of ways, whether it's intentional or not-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 9:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:58 ... is you're influencing what people post. You're kinda se- you've, you're asking them to self-censor, 'cause if you say-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 ... "Hey, you guys wanna discuss abortion rights," or, you know, like, there's, there's some things that you start discussing them and they will automatically dump- de-monetize you.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:13 Yeah. Well, who was the girl that put out the, uh, abortion documentary, right? And they-

Joe Rogan 10:18 Which girl is that?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:18 ... snatched that down. I forget what it's called. Um, I'm bad at memorizing these things, but there was an, uh, uh, basically an anti-abortion thing that exposed some things about abortion. It was a documentary and it... I believe the day it went up, it got shut down. She had to re-upload it. Um, was it Lauren Southern? Might have been Lauren Southern-

Joe Rogan 10:36 Yeah, there's those two cute white chicks-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 ... that everybody thinks are super racist, Lauren Southern and Tammy... What's the other one?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:42 Tammy Lahren?

Joe Rogan 10:43 Tammy Lahren? Tommy Lahren, yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:44 Tommy Lahren. So she did a documentary, but then you have, like, uh, the James O'Keefe thing where-

Joe Rogan 10:49 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:49 ... you know, he put up the exposing, uh, YouTube and then that got, you know... Obviously, they're gonna t- take it down. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:56 (laughs) The most recent one that exposed Google, right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 10:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Yeah, I've been asking people about that. I'm like, "Okay. Break this down for me." Is there any way that this could've been deceptively advertised- or deceptively edited? Like, 'cause it seems to me-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 ... like, they are saying that they're going to manipulate search results and they're gonna manipulate the way people see things because of the 2016 election. They don't want that happening again in 2020.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:20 That's what it seems-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:21 That's-

Joe Rogan 11:21 ... when I'm looking at it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:21 Absolutely. That's exactly what it looks like. Could it be doctored? Of course it could, you know? That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:26 That's always possible. But, um, when you go and experience it for yourself, like what I was talking about with, you know, doing a keyword search, you start-

Joe Rogan 11:35 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:36 ... seeing the parallels. Um, and then, you know, m- Uncle Hotep, you know, his, his channel was, you know, doing great and then the algorithm flipped and next thing you know, like, he wasn't making the same money anymore.

Joe Rogan 11:48 Hm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 11:48 So it's like, I don't have to go to some doctor video or whatever video to understand this problem. The people around me are being affected by it. You know, it's, this is a primary source. I don't have to look at somebody on the internet. Um, but I don't know. It's, it's... In a way, I don't like playing victim with the topic, right? It's their platform. You can do what you want with it. We choose to be there.We don't have to be there.

Joe Rogan 12:16 There's not another game in town, though.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 12:19 It's not.

Joe Rogan 12:19 It's weird, right? When you think about how big the internet is, and there's only one YouTube.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 12:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:24 I mean, Vimeo and all those other ones, they're great. But...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 12:28 Well, it... You know, I always relate it to the Black community. You know, the Black community always say, "Oh, you know, white people this, white people that, white people this, white people that. They're not giving us opportunity." And it's always like, "Well, is that the only opportunity? Can you not create your own opportunity?" You know what I mean? So I never wanna take a victim mentality and say, "Oh, you know, let's take Google to court." Mm. You know, all this stuff. It's like if you wanna do that, that's fine. That's not how I'm looking at this. I'm looking at it long term, like hooking up with Andrew Torba over at Gab. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 12:56 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 12:57 And building tools. So, you know, we do, uh, the coinbitsapp.com. And, uh, creators can actually, um... It's, it's based upon approval right now, but creators can go on there and receive Bitcoin as a donation. You know, so we're circumventing the things that happened, like with the deplatforming at Patreon, right? And the other payment platforms for creators. So we're creating tools to circumvent these things. So, that's how I look at it. I'm like, "Oh, Google's doing this? Great. This is g- a great opportunity here. Let me seize it and let me build it and be, you know, the alternative."

Joe Rogan 13:29 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 13:29 You know, I love to see that. Um, is the alternative going to be YouTube and as popular? Of course not. It's just not. But it's still a viable option. You can still communicate with your people. The number one communication tool for an influencer with their, with their, uh, community is email. Build your email list, right? People still subscribe to your email list, right?

Joe Rogan 13:53 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 13:53 That's not YouTube. That's not Google. That's your email list. That's your contact list. So it's like you can complain about YouTube or Google, but you can build your audience almost anywhere. It depends on how powerful you are. Are you powerful enough to convince people to come to this other platform or to wherever you are?

Joe Rogan 14:09 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:09 A lot of people are powerful enough to pack a room at $2,000 a ticket. You telling me you can't get somebody to go to another platform for free?

Joe Rogan 14:16 Who charges $2,000 a ticket?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:18 Uh, I mean, a lot of these speakers, you know, like the Tony Robbins-type cats.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Does this really... He charges 2,000 bucks?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:23 I think he charges, like, 10. Yeah, I think s- I think some of his stuff is, like, 10.

Jamie Vernon 14:27 That one sort of surprises me.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:28 But he's doing, like, these week-long events where everybody gets together. "I'm gonna change your life."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:35 And he's, like, doing karate kicks and shit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:37 Well... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:37 Right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:38 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:38 It's... When you... Well, that's how you get the bigger check.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:41 You gotta create a bigger experience.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:42 So it's like, "All right, so we'll do a one-day at 2K," right? It's like, "Well, how do I get 10K?" It's like, "Well, let's just extend it for the week and, you know-

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:49 ... add, like, you know, the kickboxing class."

Joe Rogan 14:50 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:50 "And then, you know, we'll chat-"

Joe Rogan 14:52 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:52 "... in the sauna." You just... You know, create... That's part of-

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:54 ... marketing, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:55 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 14:55 Um, but yeah, I'm not complaining about these tech company, these tech c- companies, man. I'm not scared of these dudes, man. These... The, the content is us.

Joe Rogan 15:04 The content is certainly us. And, uh, like, I get... What I got from talking to Jack and Vidja was it's almost impossible to manage a site like that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:14 The, the... Just the influx of no-... Like, I used to have a, uh, message board on my website, and one of the things that I noticed before we shut it down was I was getting thousands and thousands of Russian emails-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:26 ... that were signing up for my website. Those w- You remember that, Jamie? This is years ago.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:30 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:30 This was, like, three years ago.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 15:32 I mean, fucking thou-... Like, tens of thousands of Russian email addresses were signing up, like similar addresses.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:41 Mm.

Joe Rogan 15:41 It was something like the IRA. Something like the Internet Research Agency, which does that, which is responsible for all those fake pages on Facebook and Google and Instagram and all that shit. And they were signing up for websites and, that had message boards-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:54 ... and then they would jump on and pretend that they were whatever the fuck they were.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 15:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Pretend that they were a social justice warrior, pretend that they're with Black Lives Matter, pretend-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 And they'd just start fights, start arguments.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:05 And it was like, "Wow, this is fascinating." And then when it u- and when it also happened... And then it happened with Facebook and it became a big part of the election, you realize, like, this is, like, concerted effort to use these platforms-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 ... to wiggle. So when you're Jack or you're whoever runs Google, you have to look at that and go, "Okay, how the fuck do we manage that?" I mean, if we're into free speech, we should just let these people manipulate everybody.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:25 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 But-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:26 Let it be wild, wild west.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Like, how can... I mean, it's e-... When you have these people that are working for the Russians or even people that are working on the left that are trying... I mean, if there real- really is someone that's doing that to the Donald, uh, subreddit on, on, on Reddit-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:42 ... w- what are you d-... If you're into free speech, you're supposed to allow that, right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:46 Or you could just create a metric or, you know, or, or some sort of mechanism that red flags can account publicly.

Joe Rogan 16:52 Right. But I think this is where it gets slippery, right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 16:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:55 'Cause then you're talking about an algorithm. You're talking about manipulating search results. You're talking about-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:01 No, not that route. What I'm saying is-

Joe Rogan 17:02 I mean, I mean, not that route, but this is where it goes, right, if you just keep managing the content.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Instead of s-... Like, someone like, like Gab-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:09 ... where they just let the content flow free.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:11 But obviously, you go there, there's, uh, f-... a lot of dumpster fires, man. It's, like, fucking chaos-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... when you do that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:16 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Nothing's gonna be perfect.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:19 You know? Um, I think whenever you see, uh, bad, that's good, right?

Joe Rogan 17:24 Is it?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:24 Becau-... Oh, yeah. Uh, bad is a, uh, a, a, a portal to good. It is, uh, an opportunity to fix something because at some point, that problem was going to emerge.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 17:39 Y- it just emerged now. So it's like, "Oh, wow. Okay. Here's this problem. The solution to every problem lies within the problem, so technically there is no problem. So let's just go ahead and solve this problem and move on to the next one." You know? But I, I love problems. I love solving problems. I think it's really fun. Uh, so when I see a problem, I go, "Hmm. Okay. Let's, let's think about this." And sometimes it's not a one-person job, you know? It's a whole committee and a whole bunch of minds have to get together. So when I look at the conservative community, I think about, like, you know, all right, you have all these minds, but are your minds working to complain or are your minds working to solve the problem? And it seems like the minds aren't working to solve the problem. They're working to complain, right?

Joe Rogan 18:17 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 18:18 So for example, um, during the, uh, early, uh, 20th century or early 1900s, this is due with this newspaper, Super Popular, in New York.And, uh, he put some, uh, in- inflammatory things about a certain family in New York City. And, uh, all the department stores boycott the newspaper, so he has no advertisers. So, they did that to put him out of business. And this gentleman takes the space and gives it to the proletariat or the, you know, small business guys in the area. And he gives them full front page ads, right? Stuff that the department stores couldn't buy. And then what happened was, after the- the newspaper got it circulating like that, the department stores- s- department stores came back and they said, "Yo. All right. All right. Fine, fine. We'll- we'll pay. We'll- we'll come back." And- and he said, "No. I don't need you anymore." You know? "I have people that can do this. I can do this with the people." And his newspaper was successful until the day he died. So, when I look at that example that was able to thrive in 19, uh, you know, 20-something or 1910 or whenever it was, I look at it and I'm like, "If this guy just stood on his laurels and didn't bow, you know, then why can't we do it as a nation or as a team?" You know? Um, I think it's very possible to, uh... So, for example, like, when we look at Gab, right? There's a new competitor. I'm not gonna mention the name, but it's like, the- they... Whoever was the establishment created this alternative platform to compete with Gab on purpose.

Joe Rogan 19:43 There's another one?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:44 You don't wanna mention the name?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:45 No, screw them.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:47 Yeah, fuck 'em. Um-

Joe Rogan 19:48 Why? What's bad about them?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:49 They're establishment, right?

Joe Rogan 19:50 Oh.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:51 So- so when I look at-

Joe Rogan 19:52 So, establishment's created another free speech platform?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:55 Allegedly.

Joe Rogan 19:56 Allegedly.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 19:56 They're just gonna collect the data on these people and then, you know, sell it off. Um-

Joe Rogan 20:00 What makes you think that?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:02 Intuition. Uh, you know.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Oh.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:03 Hotep's been told you, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:05 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:07 That's... You should make a shirt. That should be a shirt.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:09 Oh, we got a shirt.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Hotep's been told you?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:11 Yeah. That's our show.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Oh. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:12 Yeah, yeah. Me and Uncle Hotep, that's our show. Every Thursday, 8:00 PM Eastern time. Um, so yeah. Um, you know, uh, I- I can- I can kind of... I've been calling a lot of these shots and a lot of these things. And, you know, it's just certain things that... You know, I'm a t- a tech startup founder, right?

Joe Rogan 20:28 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:29 So, it's certain things I can see within a business that the average person can't see. And I'm like, "Oh, that doesn't make sense. That doesn't look right." And then when you see a... You know, as a tech startup, it's really hard to get going, right? At first. But when you see, like, MSNBC, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and it's just like, "How'd you get all this coverage that fast? Who do you know?" You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 20:50 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 20:50 And then you start seeing the influencers that are going over there and pushing it, and I'm like, "Oh, these are all the establishment. I see what's going on." What you didn't want, you didn't want an alternative platform that you didn't control.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Hmm. Okay, so they're creating an alternative platform that they can control?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:07 That they can control.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Air quotes, "alternative".

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:09 Correct.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah. Well, I think the writing is on the wall, right? If they look at the... There's only one Twitter, there's only one Instagram.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:17 There's only one YouTube.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:18 And those are giant. And Facebook is basically the only thing like that, right? I mean, there's-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:24 ... really no competitor to Facebook in- in that space.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:28 I mean-

Joe Rogan 21:28 I mean, there's four of them.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:29 They're all trash, let's be honest.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Oh, my goodness.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:31 It's all trash.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Hotep is going off.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:33 (laughs) Facebook trash. I've been saying that for like the past decade. Facebook's trash. I stopped using Facebook a decade ago, right? If I used it, it was just like forced, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 21:42 I use it as a publishing outlet. I- I... When I put tour dates or something like that, I put it on Facebook.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:47 I don't engage.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:48 Right, exactly.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 21:49 So, you know, I can- I can respect that. I don't use Instagram. I left it months ago when Farrakhan got kicked off the platform, a bunch of conservatives got kicked off the platform. I'm like, "Oh, I don't need that shit neither." So I left. And also, tr-

Joe Rogan 22:00 Did you keep your account, just in case?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 22:01 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 22:02 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 22:02 Yeah, it's bookmarked. Um, you know, I got a automated bot I'm gonna set up and, or... You know.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Oh, okay.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 22:07 All that stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:07 There you go.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 22:08 Yeah. So, you know, F these platforms. We don't need 'em. They're not that great. If you look at the story on Instagram, Instagram was a- a- a- a lucky project. It was serendipitous, right? Basically what happened was, uh, some kids built a project. It was called Instagram. They were working on a whole bunch of other things. Some popular kids started using the platform, it blew up, and then they passed it onto Facebook. From the very inception, I said this is a very trash prod- product. It's just horrible. Horribly curated, right?It- it's so horribly curated that Facebook can't even monetize the platform properly, right? But that's a whole 'nother story. But the platform itself and its functionality is stupid. It's just popular.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Well, you know what's weird is like replying to people and reading replies, like what... In the comments. Like you can't even keep up with anything.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 22:58 No. No. And you can't get all your notifications. The notifications aren't curated properly. It's just... It's like as if they don't care, right? It's... They don't care, right?

Joe Rogan 23:06 Is it that they don't care or is it that it got so big so quick and it's stuck in this format? You'd have to kind of reformat the way it's...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 23:13 They don't care.

Joe Rogan 23:14 You don't think so?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 23:15 They don't care. They don't care. Y- y- if you... If you want to build a product for your user, you can do that. If you want to build a product for advertisers, you can do that. They built the product for advertisers and not for users. If they built it for users, you and I would be able to have a conversation on there.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Well, isn't it... Originally, wasn't it TextAmerica? Was that the same thing? Was TextAmerica the original one?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 23:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:41 That's the one where I have the picture of the prostitute in the bathroom.

Jamie Vernon 23:44 You mean like where you would text something to-

Joe Rogan 23:45 You'd- you'd send a photo. You send a photo and a text message-

Jamie Vernon 23:47 Yeah, but it wasn't like-

Joe Rogan 23:48 ... and it would go off to an internet website.

Jamie Vernon 23:50 It would be like on a site like Imgur or something. Not like a feed where people would follow you like that, was it?

Joe Rogan 23:54 Mm-hmm. No, there was a thing that you would follow...

Jamie Vernon 23:55 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 23:56 And you could fol-... That's where that picture came from.

Jamie Vernon 23:57 Oh, I know that, but I didn't remember it being like a website or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 24:00 That was back when there was no applications, man. 'Cause I took that from a flip phone.

Jamie Vernon 24:03 Oh, then that's the big deal. That's the difference.

Joe Rogan 24:05 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 24:05 Working off a phone or like a... A smartphone.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Right. Yeah, there was no smartphones back then.

Jamie Vernon 24:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:08 And then you would have to go to a website to see all your photos.

Jamie Vernon 24:11 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:12 So like, you have a young Jamie Page on TextAmerica and all the pictures that you had taken...

Jamie Vernon 24:17 The first photos on Instagram, a lot of people were... You'd b- be like shi-... As a photographer, you'd be kind of like shit on if you weren't taking it with your iPhone only.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 24:25 And like, and you were uploading f-

24:26 ... DSLR photos, you'd be like-

Joe Rogan 24:27 Right.

Jamie Vernon 24:27 ... "Bro, you're fucking cheating. Look at you."

Joe Rogan 24:29 Of course.

Jamie Vernon 24:29 Like, that kind of shit.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 24:30 Right. But now, with filters, like, some of these girls look like cartoons. They don't even look like humans.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 24:35 Uh, you know, it comes down to is, like, you know, what's your cojones, right? So, you know, a lot of people told me, they was like, "Yo, you're missing out on a lot of money on, on Facebook. You're missing out on a lot of Instagram, uh, money on Instagram." My homie's a millionaire off of Instagram and Facebook advertising and he ain't told me about it. And I'm like, "Yo, I'm not in this for money, bro. I got a message to get across and I can't get it across on these platforms. They suck." Right? But are you gonna have the cojones to come and say, "I'm choosing my laurels over... I'm choosing my morals over the money"? 'Cause it's a lot of people out here that are on the Facebook platform just for money.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:10 I spoke to a, a conservative influencer and, uh, brother basically said, "I'm trying to feed my daughter." But the stuff he's putting out on Facebook, he doesn't believe in.

Joe Rogan 25:23 So, he's just doing it for profit?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:24 He's doing it for profit.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Ooh, that, that's where it gets weird, right? 'Cause then people are not gonna believe you once you say, "Well, I was doing that for money, but now I'm telling the truth."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:31 But these, I'm talking about, this, these are the people that everybody believes.

Joe Rogan 25:35 Hm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:36 These are the ones that have captured a large audience. I mean, talking about, you know, the type of money you can pull in on, on Facebook.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:44 But, you know, he literally says, you know, "I'll go on Twitter, I'll make one tweet and then it'll get, like, 2,000 retweets." And then, you know, uh, you know, you know, i- i- his brand just blows up like that, but it's because he, he knows the, the buzz words, right? He knows-

Joe Rogan 25:59 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 25:59 ... what to say to get the people going. I don't go that route, you know what I mean? If I don't like Facebook, I'm not gonna use it. If I don't like Facebook, I'm not gonna use Instagram. You know, I'm just gonna, you know, stick with what I like. I like Twitter and I told people in 2009, when I got on there, "I'm Twitter." You know, I deal in marketing, so I always say focus on one channel when it comes to social media. Just one channel. Unless you have the staff to manage, but...

Joe Rogan 26:21 Well, Twitter's how I found out about you, and that's how I found out about your videos, and I found out about you. And I watched your videos and if, if that didn't exist and the, the portal for the video... You're putting your videos on YouTube, right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:33 (coughs) I mean, what, how else would someone get their message out? If you, if you, if you think that these platforms are all trash, if they didn't exist, I wouldn't find out about you.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:40 Twitter is great.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Twitter's great.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:42 Remember, I've, like-

Joe Rogan 26:43 You like Twitter.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:43 ... I've never mentioned Twitter (laughs) with these others.

Joe Rogan 26:46 I think you said all of them are trash, but-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:47 All of them except for Twitter.

Joe Rogan 26:49 ... except for Twitter.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:49 Twitter's my baby, man. I love Twitter. That's my girl.

Joe Rogan 26:51 What do you like so much about Twitter?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 26:53 It's, uh, (sighs) it's, it's, it's, it's a perfect platform to crowdsource information, number one. Right?

Joe Rogan 27:00 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:00 Um, like you said, without Twitter, w- I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I coulda never got to you on Facebook or Instagram. That woulda never happened.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Maybe Instagram. Some of 'em, if, if a friend... Most of it is, like, hey, one of my friends says, "Check out this guy. This guy's cool. This guy's interesting."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:14 "Maybe you should talk to this guy."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 27:15 That's how it usually happens, and then I'll go to your page and I checked it out and I saw a lot of interesting conversations you were having, and-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:21 ... saw some videos.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:22 Well, the thing is, Instagram doesn't allow you to see in my heart. They don't allow you to see in the soul. Twitter, I can really connect with people.

Joe Rogan 27:32 How come you can't do that on Instagram?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:33 The algorithm, man. You know, you-

Joe Rogan 27:35 Oh, you mean because it hides stuff and stuff? Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:38 But once you develop a good following, it doesn't really matter. People will go to your page. They'll go look for you.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:43 But how often... But how often can you post?

Joe Rogan 27:45 On Instagram?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:46 How often can you post?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:47 With, like-

Joe Rogan 27:48 Well, you can't do it like Twitter, where you could just do it every couple minutes and-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:50 You see what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 27:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:51 So, if I wanted to, I could go from deep to where my middle-aged white women at.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Right. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 27:58 (laughs) In 15 minutes' time.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:00 You know, I can take you deep and then I can make you laugh.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:03 You know what I mean? And then I can share, you know, something else. I could share my video.

Joe Rogan 28:06 And you could have photos on Twitter just like you could have on Instagram-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:09 ... if you really wanted to.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:10 I can go live.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:12 And, and, and, and so Twitter's great at how they curate, um, the live feature, right?

Joe Rogan 28:17 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:18 It, it, it lands at the top of your phone on mobile, right? It's beautiful. Like, like, they, like, they get product, you know? I don't feel like Instagram gets product. Um, but Twitter is, is... You know, matter of fact, this is a great time to... (paper rustling) I brought you my book.

Joe Rogan 28:33 I was... I thought that was McDonald's or Burger King.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:35 Nuh-uh.

Joe Rogan 28:35 I was like, "What is he eating in that garbage truck?"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:38 This is your book?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:38 This is my book right here, Twitter Marketing.

Joe Rogan 28:40 Oh.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:40 I brought that for you.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Interesting.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:41 It retails on, um-

Joe Rogan 28:43 How To Build A Cult-Like Following.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:44 Yeah. And that's basically all my secrets on how I got on the Joe Rogan experience.

Joe Rogan 28:50 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:51 I want... I'm tr- I'm trying to remember who told me about you. I wanna give someone the, uh, the credit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 28:55 I, uh... Well, you know, they, people said to me, you know, "You should go on Joe Rogan." So I retweeted it, and then, um, it started this firestorm in your mentions, and then you followed me.

Joe Rogan 29:03 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:04 And then I retweeted it again-

Joe Rogan 29:05 I followed you because someone told me, though.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Or for-... Trying to remember who the fuck it is.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:09 Oh, it was somebody you knew?

Joe Rogan 29:10 Yeah, somebody I knew.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:11 Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 29:11 I think it was, like, a serendipitous thing.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Like, the... I don't even know if they had seen you post that you're trying to get on the podcast.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:17 Ah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 I think someone had just contacted me and said, "Hey, check out this guy's shit."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:21 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 29:21 "I watched some of the YouTube conversations." It just looked like you were having a good time, but you were talking about serious shit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:27 It's, it's, you know... So, um, I got kids, so, um, when I, when I teach my kids, it's always through edutainment.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:34 You know, if I can't make my kids laugh while I'm doing my lecture... Every day when they come home from school, or I try to do every day, there's a lecture waiting for them.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Oh.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:41 And we're gonna talk about something real in life.

Joe Rogan 29:43 How many kids you have?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:44 Three. Uh, my daughter's 16 and my boys are, uh, tw- 10. I have twin boys. Uh, Dallas, Phoenix, and Sydney. Um, they're all named after cities. Um... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:54 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 29:55 So, every day they come home, I have a lecture waiting for them, but when I prepare my lectures for them, I always figure, "How am I gonna make them laugh?" 'Cause my son, Dallas, he's, uh, very linear in thinking. I could lecture and he'll sit there and he'll listen to every single word. The other two are like me, they'll just, like, zone out.

Joe Rogan 30:13 So, your twins not... Uh, are they identical twins?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:15 Fraternal.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Fraternal. Oh.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:16 Yeah.So his brother and his sister are just like me. We'll all tune out-

Joe Rogan 30:20 (coughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:21 ... and go into la-la land and start-

Joe Rogan 30:22 That's gotta be weird when you have two kids that were born at the exact same time. They're twins, but yet they're totally different.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:28 Yeah. And they look different.

Joe Rogan 30:29 That's so weird.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:30 One's brown-skinned, one's light-skinned.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Whoa.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:32 (laughs) Yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 30:33 (laughs) So they both come out of the box at the same time too.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:35 Yeah. (laughs) Uh, you know, it's, it's a crazy dynamic. The birth-

Joe Rogan 30:37 Genetics are nuts, man.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:39 Yeah. Their personalities are very different.

Joe Rogan 30:40 (clears throat) That is one of the thing that trips me out the most about having kids.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Is how, how... Just they are their own little person out of the fucking box.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:49 Like, you influence them a little. You teach them. You can give them morals and ethics, and you can-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:53 ... set a good example. But boy, they come with their own unique set of ingredients.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 30:57 Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. And, uh, you know, I don't, I don't try to change that. All I try to do is push them in that direction. Like, whichever way you're going, I'm just going to try and assist that, you know? I don't try to, like, bring you back this way. So my son, Dallas, he likes to draw at... You know? And I'm like, "All right. Well, here's some YouTube videos, tutorials. Do it every day." You know? My son, Phoenix, is like, "I wanna have my own comic book." I'm like, "Well, start writing it." And he starts writing his comic book. And then he comes and he asks me questions, and I help him. We, uh, share in a Google Doc, and we just, we just do the damn thing. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 31:27 That's cool.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:28 Yeah. Uh, they're little startups. So you kinda just gotta f-

Joe Rogan 31:31 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:31 You just gotta feed 'em, you know? And nurture 'em.

Joe Rogan 31:33 That's a good way of looking at it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:34 Yeah. Um, you know, you just gotta water 'em, man, and just let 'em grow. I think sometimes we try to prune them too much.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Hmm. Well-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:41 You know?

Joe Rogan 31:41 ... you definitely see that a lot with people that are too... They're just, uh, uh, way too heavy-handed with their kids, and the kid's just always resisting.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:49 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 They're just constantly, "Get the fuck away from me, man."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:52 That shit's unnecessary. It's unnecessary, it's unproductive, and you're gonna develop a rift between you and your kids.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 31:58 Yeah. So, so this story I always tell is, um... You know, when, when you black and you going to the supermarket, you get that talk like, "You better not go in here. You better not touch nothing. Don't ask for nothing," right? So, um, you know, that's how I grew up. A lot of us grew up. So when I go into the supermarket or I went in this supermarket this one time, and my son is, uh, Phoenix, my twin. He's running around in the supermarket and, you know, I don't... I try not to yell at my kids and all that stuff, right? So I just tap his brother and sister on the shoulder and I say, "Look at him, look at him, look at him." And they look, and then we just start laughing at him. So he turns around, he goes like, "Why are y'all laughing at me?" So then I start imitating him like, "Ur, ur," doing all that type stuff.

Joe Rogan 32:34 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:34 And he's, so he's... I put the mirror in front of him. I call it-

Joe Rogan 32:36 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:36 ... the mirror.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:37 And when he does that, he... Never again. It's never-

Joe Rogan 32:40 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:40 ... a problem again. I didn't have to yell at him. I didn't have to hit him. I didn't have to cuss him out. I didn't have to threaten him or any of that.

Joe Rogan 32:44 That's great.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:45 You know? It's just, it's just basic psychology.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Yeah, that's one of the hardest things for people to do, is see how other people see them. When someone sees you with humor and you look like a fool, they're like, "Oh, shit, that's me?"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:55 "Damn."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:55 "That is me." (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 32:56 Yeah. Exactly. So you just gotta put your mirror up. But, you know, Twitter, you know, I, I handle, I handle everything, uh, you know, I figure you can't change culture through lecture. You change culture through entertainment.

Joe Rogan 33:08 What do you think about all this talk, like, Elizabeth Warren's talked about it, and some other candidates have talked about it, some other politicians have talked about breaking up these big companies, breaking up Facebook, it's too big, break up Google, break up Twitter?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:20 What do you think about that?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:21 Well, um, I think we have to study what happened to Standard Oil.

Joe Rogan 33:25 What happened to Standard Oil?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:26 Um, with Standard Oil, they, uh, broke it up and it became, uh, Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, uh, I think BP. Don't quote me on that one. But-

Joe Rogan 33:39 Does anybody have brand loyalty to gas? Is anybody like, "Dude, I'm a Chevron man"?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:44 Yeah. Well, y-... they create those, those cards, right? Those-

Joe Rogan 33:47 Oh, loyalty cards?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:48 ... gas cards.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:49 So that's how they create a loyalty program-

Joe Rogan 33:50 Oh, here it is.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:51 ... with the gas cards.

Joe Rogan 33:51 The evolution of Standard Oil. Jamie, pull it up on the screen.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:53 Yeah, there you go.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Wow. So Standard Oil was too big.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:57 You know? Like, "Fuck this place."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 33:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:59 "We have to move it around a little bit."

Jamie Vernon 34:01 1911.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Standard Oil of Kentu-... 1911 they did this?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:04 Right. So, so if you look at it, it's broken up into-

Joe Rogan 34:06 (coughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:06 ... I think it says 34, right? 34 companies, right? So you see Startom-

Joe Rogan 34:10 Wow.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:10 ... on the, on the left, right? And then as you go, what do you see? You see a consolidation, don't you? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 Hmm. Merged.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:16 You see these merges?

Joe Rogan 34:17 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:18 So when you break up a monopoly, you're not really breaking up a no- monopoly. What you're doing is you're creating a divide and conquer dynamic. So it's like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 34:25 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:26 "I'll let my brother control this one, my sister control that one, my cousin controls this one." And you actually corner the market. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:32 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:33 So breaking a monopoly isn't exactly a good thing.

Joe Rogan 34:37 In that case.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:38 In that case. And I think we'll see the same thing with Google. If we break up Google, what you're gonna do is just have little subsidiaries or little satellite things that will just control a certain segment under a different name, which will make it harder to track back to its source.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 34:54 So I... You know, when they say, you know, "Break a monopoly," I think that the establishment's like, "Yeah, come on. Break me up, baby."

Joe Rogan 35:00 Do you think so?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:01 Oh, think they want it? I don't think they wanna lose any control.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:04 Uh-

Joe Rogan 35:04 I, I certainly don't think Facebook does.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:05 It's not losing control though.

Joe Rogan 35:06 I mean, they're trying to get rid of Zuckerberg forever.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:09 (smacks lips) Uh...

Joe Rogan 35:09 Right? Aren't they trying to get rid of him? The board members are like-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:12 That's what they claim, but-

Joe Rogan 35:14 "Get that robot out of here."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:15 L- listen-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Look at the way he drinks water.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:16 Right. He does look like a robot.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Look at this... But, but...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:20 Will he drink water in front of Congress, or...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:22 But isn't that socialism?

Joe Rogan 35:24 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:24 That's socialism. When you-

Joe Rogan 35:25 No, uh, less.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:25 When the government comes in and tells you what you can do with your corporation-

Joe Rogan 35:28 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:29 That's socialism.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Uh, uh-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:30 So, so what I feel is like, the powers that be are pushing socialism. Or like, we can use this as an excuse to infiltrate corporations and, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:39 ... blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and contr-... start controlling this internet space. So the internet space is now communist.

Joe Rogan 35:45 I'm of the opinion, though, that if we believe in freedom of speech and you create something that's so big that it's essentially a town square-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:52 ... which is what I think these platforms are-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 35:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:55 ... you, if you ban people, especially if you ban people for shit like learn to code, like, things that don't make any sense.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:01 Like, there, there's people that are getting banned for some pretty ridiculous-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:03 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 36:03 ... ideas.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:05 That as soon as you start doing something like that, you are going against the fundamental ideas this country was founded on.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:11 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Freedom of speech. I think-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:13 ... it's incredibly important that if you have someone saying something that you think is wrong or is, is hurtful-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:20 ... there should be a, an avenue where people can examine that and talk about it and, and f- combat it with good speech.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:28 With speech that makes sense.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 36:29 Yeah. Well, you know, uh, a couple of years ago, or last year, I forget wh- No, it was about a couple of years ago, um, I was lambasted for, uh, defending white nationalists, you know, when they first got deplatformed. Some of them got deplatformed were just white nationalists, period. I'm like, "Well, if this is how these people feel, let's listen to them. Let's listen to their gripes. What are they mad about," right? And then people are like, "Oh, how could you? These people are racist, da, da, da." I'm like, "I don't care if they're racist. Like, th- that doesn't affect me," right? Like, I'm not asking them for a job, so they can't be racist towards me, you know what I mean? (laughs) But, um, when you have these, these groups that people call fringe, I feel like the people that are fringe are the test for freedom of speech. It's not the people in the middle. It's the fringe groups on the outside. If they don't have freedom of speech, everybody in the middle is screwed.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 37:17 So I stood up and I was like, "Yo, let these dudes talk. Like, stop doing that." Like, like, you know, I don't care, you know, if they're racist or whatever. People called me names. But then now you see it coming down, and we lost, you know, Louis Farrakhan. He got deplatformed, he lost his verification, you know, and it's like, you know, this... He's like hotel-

Joe Rogan 37:31 Wha- was there anything specifically that he said that allowed them to do that, or did they just make a sweeping... Because they got rid of Milo, they got rid of Gavin McInnes, they got rid of a bunch of people that were on Instagram and Facebook that they hadn't deplatformed, but it didn't seem like there was anything that happened that caused them to do that. It seemed like they just made some sort of a decision-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 37:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... that I think was probably based on preparing for the 2020 elections.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 37:56 Absolutely. So what, so what I think what happened was, uh, the, uh, uh, the banning of Louis Farrakhan is just a theory, but they were like, "All right. If we ban these conservatives-"

Joe Rogan 38:07 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:07 "... the conservative crowd is gonna just go ape shit, right? But if we throw them Louis Farrakhan, it'll kinda settle things down a little because it'll look like we're fair," right?

Joe Rogan 38:17 I think you're exactly right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:19 Yeah. So I'm like, so that's what they did. They're like, "Oh, let's throw them in there and that'll-"

Joe Rogan 38:22 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:22 "... you know, smooth things over."

Joe Rogan 38:23 That's exactly what I thought when I saw it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:25 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yeah. I was like-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:26 Yeah, it's on point.

Joe Rogan 38:26 ... "This seems weird."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:28 It's like they have to justify it, like, "No, we got rid of him too."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:32 You know?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, i- it's a strange time because there's... Even though there is Gab and there's Minds and there's, there's a couple other startups that are-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:42 ... they're trying to make their way and the Jordan Peterson one, and there's nothing that really stands out. And once someone starts... Once a, a giant group of people starts using something, unless it's, like... What's, what's hilarious is when they, one of them vanished, like Myspace. How fucking badly did they manage Myspace?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 38:59 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 38:59 'Cause Myspace had it all.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 They had everybody.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:02 Yeah, and then it died.

Joe Rogan 39:02 And then it just fucking died.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:04 And it's still around, but now it's like some fringe music publishing platform. It's very weird, you know?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:10 It still exists, but what Twitter is right now and what Facebook is right now and what, uh, Instagram is right now, it seems like there's no real competitors, prec- specifically YouTube.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:22 There's no real competitors to these people.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:24 'Cause, because when... You know, I don't wanna, you know, dogpile on, you know, Minds or Gab or anything, but the problem is when you build a social network, and this is why I will not build a social network, at least not into the next 10 years, you have to understand that you can't build a social network that mimics another one.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:46 (laughs) It has to br-

Joe Rogan 39:47 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:47 It has to be different. That's why Snap is still here, right? Snap is inside a certain demographic. That's my daughter's, you know, generation.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 39:56 That's them, right? They're on Snap. So when you build these things, you really have to sit down and say, like, you know, "What's the... What are we gonna focus on?" Like, with Minds, right? You post videos, you post photos, and then how do the photos appear, right? So when I look at Minds, Minds is my Instagram. When you, when you look at Minds on mobile, the, the font's really small. So it's like, "I can't read this."

Joe Rogan 40:21 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 40:21 "So I'm just gonna use this for photos." When I put the photos, it pops up, right? So it's like is Minds going to go that route? Are they gonna go the video route? Are they gonna go the tweet route?

Joe Rogan 40:31 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 40:31 You gotta pick one and then grow from there. If you look at Twitter, Twitter didn't have all these fea- features in the beginning. You just had tweet, that's it. There was no threads. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 40:41 You know what I mean? There's none of that.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 40:43 So you have to start at your core, but when you... The other problem they do is they try to build these social networks, um, c- completely robust, right? With all the bells and whistles of the giants. Nah, bro. You gotta start small and slim and then let your audience tell you what the next feature is.

Joe Rogan 41:04 So what would you... If you were gonna start one up-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 41:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:05 ... what would it be?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 41:07 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Or do you not wanna give out that information?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 41:08 No, it's not that I don't wanna give it out information. I, I think information should be free, but, you know, I, I hate, I hate the idea that people wanna create social networks. I'm like, "They exist. Let's use the ones that exist, and let's just figure out how to make them better," right? If you-

Joe Rogan 41:21 But when you do that, then those have so much power because they can dictate who's on and who's not on.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 41:26 Right. So what you do is when you have something like a Twitter, you use your Twitter, uh, to congregate your Minds, right? But then you're, you know, you- your bills of the world, your Andrew Torbas of the world have to listen to the community and, and then curate their product around what the community needs, right? Andrew Torba figured out with The Dissenter when he found out, oh, the internet is blocking comments.

Joe Rogan 41:55 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 41:56 So he created, you know, you can comment on anywhere-... on the internet, and then Google Chrome smashed it, right? They said, "Get that outta here."

Joe Rogan 42:02 Yeah. Why did they do that? What was the justification for getting rid of that?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:05 They wanna censor, (laughs) they wanna censor, uh, information.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Is that what they wanna do? Or they wanna keep a competitor from using their platform and profiting off of it? That's how I looked at it. I looked at it from, uh, a marketing or a business perspective.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:17 Nah, they ain't worried about what's name, worried about competition.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Because it could be... But if it becomes huge, I mean, anything can become huge if it's useful.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:24 And it seemed useful to me that they were gonna be able to comment on anything.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:28 You'll have, like, a little link, and if you use Gab, you can comment on anything that comes up.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:33 Yeah. Yeah, y- y- you can look at it like that. I don't. I, I feel like, you know, they... Their budgets is so huge, their, their, you know, their cash reserves are so huge that they're not worried about competition at all. You know? What they're worried about is, uh, controlling thought.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:49 And, and that's their primary goal.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 42:52 Control thought, right? For the betterment of the ruling class, and that's it to me, and that's, that's the end all, be all of it all. Um, but, you, uh, these, these, you know, uh, the- these, these people that create tech products, like when we create CoinBitz app or, or for example, my app, Giffitize. Giffitize, you can only do one thing on Giffitize. The only thing you can do is, uh, save a video or G- or GIF from Twitter.

Joe Rogan 43:21 I always called it GIF. Is it GIF?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:23 I think it's GIF.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Is that how you say it?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:24 I think it's GIF.

Joe Rogan 43:25 I've never... I don't think I ever hear anybody say it, right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:27 GIF could be correct. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:30 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:30 Could be correct. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:32 Do you know... What do you call it, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 43:33 I call it GIF.

Joe Rogan 43:34 GIF.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Okay.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:35 GIF, GIF.

Joe Rogan 43:35 GIF.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:35 GIF is peanut butter, right?

Joe Rogan 43:37 GIF is peanut butter.

Jamie Vernon 43:39 I'm here to debate. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:40 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:40 (laughs) But our app does one thing, right? And people love it. When I first came on as a cofounder, this app did more than that. And when it did more than that, it didn't do as well as it does now.

Joe Rogan 43:55 What did it used to do?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 43:57 Uh, it had incentives, uh, to, uh, share the app. You could edit J- uh, GIFs. Uh, you could, um, put text on them, um, uh, crop 'em, all types of like... It had an editor in there. So I was like, "Yo, take this editor, toss it out." Uh, oh, we had a keyboard. Um, you know, it still has a keyboard, but I was like... It took some of the functionalities, and I just started taking stuff out, and I was like, "Get this outta here, get this out, get this out," and slim it down, right?

Joe Rogan 44:23 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:23 As soon as we slimmed it down, we chan- gave it a new face. Boom, our revenue quadrupled.

Joe Rogan 44:29 What's it again? Tell the people, people that wanna get it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:31 Uh, yeah, Giffitize.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Giffitize. There it is.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 Jamie's got it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Giffitize.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:35 G-I-F-F-I-T-I-Z-E, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 The ultimate Twitter GIF downloader.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:39 Yeah, yeah. And this is... This thing is about to be super huge. Uh, uh, we have a, a gallery coming soon, and that's gonna be awesome. Uh, going to be perfectly curated, um, and I'll speak to my partner, Simone, this morning about that.

Joe Rogan 44:52 That's one of the fun things about Twitter. When someone says something stupid, and then you look at all the GIFs underneath it-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:57 ... all the memes and GIFs. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 44:59 Yeah. So we empower people, like-

Joe Rogan 45:01 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:02 ... Black Twitter's on our app. So whenever there's a, a new video out, you know, if something funny happens, and you're using it as a reaction. So we... Y- y- on iOS, there's no way to save it. Now you can with our app, but our app only does one thing, and everybody's... And they love it, right? That's, that's the core of the business. What's the core of Minds? What's the core of Gab? What's the core feature? Does anybody know? There is not a core feature.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Yeah. When... I would say just something as, as an alternative to traditional media.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:37 You see what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 45:38 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:39 So there is no uniqueness. Where there is no uniqueness, you can't compete. You have to first create uniqueness-

Joe Rogan 45:45 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:46 ... or, or fill a need. There, there's no need for me to be on these other platforms.

Joe Rogan 45:51 Well, the problem is when you get on those other platforms, and there's no one there-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:55 ... then you go, "Ah, let me go back to Twitter real quick."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:57 Yeah. And that's why I say-

Joe Rogan 45:58 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 45:58 ... when you build a social network, uh, the... Before you build a network, you have... I mean, before you build the platform, you have to build the network.

Joe Rogan 46:06 Hmm. Well, it's interesting if you go back to like 2003 when MySpace was king-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:10 ... and then you imagine what the world would be like 16 years later, no one would have saw this coming. No one would have saw all these social media platforms and that it's used as a way of breaking news now.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:24 I mean, especially in places that don't have real objective news.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:29 So if you're in some country that's some war-torn country and some horrible shit is going down, you see the news breaking on Twitter before anywhere-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:38 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:38 ... which is really interesting.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:39 Oh, yeah. That's why I tell people, like, "Screw Facebook and Instagram. The news breaks on, on Twitter." You know, by the time, you know, by the time I, I show, uh, my friend a... My friend shows me a video, I'm like, "I saw that on Twitter, like, two weeks ago, bro." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:52 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:53 'Cause he's on Facebook or he's on Instagram.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 46:55 So it's like, how do you market a product or market yourself when you're two weeks behind?

Joe Rogan 47:01 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:02 It's not relevant.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Is everything two weeks behind on Instagram, though? I get a lot of shit on Instagram too, like people-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:06 But you're Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah, I am.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:09 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:10 So it's a bit different, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 47:12 I guess, yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:12 And it depends on who you're surrounded by, right?

Joe Rogan 47:14 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:15 So when we talk about a network, it's like, you know, who are the people connected to you?

Joe Rogan 47:17 Who are you following, who's... who you interacting with.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Yeah. But I get, like... Well, that's not true. I was gonna say, I get, like, most of the fucked-up videos of news stories or bad things that are happening in the news come to me on Instagram. But I think-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:29 They send it to you.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Yeah, but I... Uh, I think it's even. I think it's even with Instagram and Twitter-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:34 ... people sending me things.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:35 Well, you... Well, when you're Joe Rogan, even if you're Hotep Jesus, like, people will say to me, "How do you know so much?" I'm like, "Yo, my followers send me, like-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:43 "... books and links and stuff like that."

Joe Rogan 47:45 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 47:45 Like, they're just sending it to me. I'm... You know, sometimes I ask, sometimes I don't, but they're volunteering information. Um, so when you're in that position, y- y- you know, you can afford it. But when... So the key to marketing is this. You know, you got your four Ps of marketing, but the key to marketing is relevance.If what you're talking about is irrelevant, nobody's paying attention to you, right?

Joe Rogan 48:06 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:06 So, the only thing that makes some of these platforms relevant is the juxtaposition to the big tech giants. You remove the big tech giants, are you still relevant?

Joe Rogan 48:15 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:16 What makes you relevant? Right.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Right. Right? That's where a lot of people that do content, whether they're, um, you know, podcasters or whatever, they probably should be thinking about developing an email list and putting things on their website, having something available independently of these big platforms.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:33 I've been thinking about that a lot lately.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:34 Doing what?

Joe Rogan 48:35 But, something that, independent of these big platforms-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:38 ... where like, if, I mean, you see all these people that have gotten deplatformed.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:42 And I don't think I'm at the risk of that-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:44 ... but if the cl- I didn't think these people were just a few years ago. As- as the climate shifts and people get more and more radical with this idea of deplatforming-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... I think it becomes like a game of like shooting ducks.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:55 People get excited about it. They like taking people out, whether it makes sense or not.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 48:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:59 And I think there's a lot of that going on, where people are calling for people to be T- deplatformed just because they disagree with them.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:04 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:05 And so far, the- these big tech companies have resisted some of it-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:10 ... but not- not enough of it for my taste.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:13 Yeah. Yeah. You know, uh, my boy Alex Jones, they got him outta here. I think, you know, if I was Alex, my ego would be so huge after getting deplatformed.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Well, when we did a podcast together after he was deplatformed, it was one of the biggest podcasts of all time.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:32 What did it get, like, 16 million YouTube videos or something?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:35 Yeah, that's your highest one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Views. Meanwhile, YouTube did not demonetize that one. We let them know in advance, "Just a heads-up, Alex Jones is coming on."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:43 And then they just took that money. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:47 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:49 It's interesting how it works, right? Like what they choose to deplatform, what they don't choose to.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 49:54 Mm.

Joe Rogan 49:54 You know, it's, um, I mean, I- I don't like the argument that they're- they're doing it for our good. I don't- I don't think they are.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:01 Yeah, well, who- who- who- who made them God?

Joe Rogan 50:04 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:04 Who- who- who made them, you know, Mom and said, "This is good for you, and this is not."

Joe Rogan 50:07 Do you think they should be forced to follow the First Amendment?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:11 No.

Joe Rogan 50:11 What do you think they should be forced to do? Nothing?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:13 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 50:13 Nothing.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:14 I think- I think they should be w- uh, operating in a manner that doesn't hurt Earth. You know?

Joe Rogan 50:19 Hmm, interesting.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:20 It doesn't hurt nature, right? If they're polluting or doing something that harms somebody specifically, um, then yes, right?

Joe Rogan 50:28 So, if they become a giant monopoly just because they're better than everything else that's available, like YouTube has become-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:33 ... then they run the show.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:34 But there's always the underground.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:37 Look at hip hop, right? There's always been an unger- underground in hip hop.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Comedy as well.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:42 Comedy as well. You know, so you got dudes, you know, so I was talking to somebody the other day and we were talking about consciousness, or conscious hip hop. And dudes say, "Oh, there's no money in conscious hip hop." I'm like, "What? Like, Pharoahe Monch tours consistently."

Joe Rogan 50:56 Dead prez.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:57 Dead prez.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 50:58 Tours consistently.

Joe Rogan 50:59 I mean, they've- they've never had any mainstream attention.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:02 At all.

Joe Rogan 51:03 At all.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:03 At all.

Joe Rogan 51:03 The only th- the closest thing they had to mainstream was when they were w- Dave Chappelle's Block Party.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:07 Okay.

Joe Rogan 51:08 That was about it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:09 Yeah. So, it's like you don't need mainstream.

Joe Rogan 51:13 No.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:13 We don't need mainstream.

Joe Rogan 51:14 No.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:14 You know? Main- w- here's the thing with mainstream. When you get mainstream, you're that bitch now. You gotta play by their rules.

Joe Rogan 51:20 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:21 You know? And- and once you break those rules, you get deplatformed.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:26 What you need to do is you need to focus on building your own platform so they can't touch you when you get to a certain place.

Joe Rogan 51:32 All right. Say if you were helping me out-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:34 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... I called you in, "Hotep Jesus?"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:35 "I need some help."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:36 "What do I do with this platform?"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:38 This platform right here?

Joe Rogan 51:38 This platform right here.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:39 Oh, dang. You wanna put me to respond to that?

Joe Rogan 51:41 What if they- what if they come down on us?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:42 Uh, all right, so, you know, you gotta self-host it probably on blockchain. Um, I would definitely, uh, BitChute just locked, uh-

Joe Rogan 51:49 How do I self-host it on blockchain?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:51 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Blockchain is one of those words-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:53 It's tough.

Joe Rogan 51:53 ... that I use that I don't really understand.

Jamie Vernon 51:55 Me too. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 51:56 I've been looking into this, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:56 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 51:57 I just say it 'cause it's a cool buzzword, right?

Joe Rogan 51:59 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 51:59 It's a great word. It's just like, you know-

Joe Rogan 52:01 It sounds like, if you, each, some dude is a tech guy, like yourself, is a tech startup, and you start talking about blockchain, I go, "Oh, yeah." I'll just nod my head, "Yeah, blockchain." Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 52:08 My friend uploaded, uh, MP3 to the BSV Network maybe.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:13 Okay.

Jamie Vernon 52:13 It's just very confusing.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 52:15 And I've been trying to ask more, like, now that it's on there-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:17 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 52:17 ... wha- how are people gonna get it? And like, he wanted to just be like the first on there, which he is.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Okay.

Jamie Vernon 52:22 Or whatever. Uh, it might not be BSV. I might be speaking wrong.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Is that your rapper friend?

Jamie Vernon 52:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Okay.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:26 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 52:26 Hey, well he's ahead- he's ahead of the-

Joe Rogan 52:28 Hello.

Jamie Vernon 52:28 ... he's ahead of this. He's just like him-

Joe Rogan 52:28 I get it, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 52:29 ... on some of this Bitcoin stuff, so.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:30 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 52:31 But that's where it's at, and I was like talking to him for that. Like, he's almost my guinea pig, like, "All right-

Joe Rogan 52:35 Right.

Jamie Vernon 52:35 ... you did it, how you figured it out."

Joe Rogan 52:36 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 52:36 "Now, how do I get a three-hour podcast on there?"

Joe Rogan 52:39 Right.

Jamie Vernon 52:39 "And how are people gonna get it?" And it's like, it's not figured out yet. People are definitely working on it, and that every day there's been advances.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:47 Yeah, I would-

Jamie Vernon 52:47 I just don't know r- I don't know how it's gonna go.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:49 I mean, you could build your own cloud.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yes.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:52 You know? Build your-

Joe Rogan 52:53 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 52:53 ... own cloud and- and self-host, and you know, you g- you know what else you could do? You could connect with all your other celebrity buddies, pool your resources together, and just build a competitor, and then own the space-

Joe Rogan 53:05 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:05 ... and be like, "I'm the new YouTube. It's called Rogan Tube now."

Joe Rogan 53:09 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:09 You know what I mean? You could do that, and then everybody just runs to your platform. I'd support it.

Joe Rogan 53:13 I'd have to have a way better name than Rogan Tube.

Jamie Vernon 53:14 How do you do that without using Google's cloud services?

Joe Rogan 53:17 What you need to do is buy Vimeo. Vimeo's dying on the vine. That bitch is barely alive.

Jamie Vernon 53:21 Ah, maybe.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:21 Well, so- so, like, so-

Joe Rogan 53:23 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:23 ... so these questions that you ask, right? Like, there's a, like-

Jamie Vernon 53:26 They own the internet, kinda.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:27 Right.

Jamie Vernon 53:27 Almost.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:27 So, these- these questions that you ask, I don't know, I don't code, right?

Jamie Vernon 53:30 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:31 So, what we do is we- we get the best tech minds in the building, and we ask them the questions, "Hey, answer this." I- it's not like they can't answer them.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Right.

Jamie Vernon 53:38 Sure.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:39 They're gonna find solutions.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:40 Right. There's always a way, you know? Just gotta put the right minds in the room.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:43 You know?

Joe Rogan 53:44 The right minds in the room and the right people that are influencers that can get the word out.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:48 Yeah, you have to- you gotta follow the, uh, drop on a napkin rule. And you know, when you put the- the drop on a napkin, it spreads out, right?

Joe Rogan 53:55 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 53:56 So, you gotta figure, you know, who's your network? And then, you know, maybe build like 12 people around, and make sure that these people are linked, you know, based upon interest.

Joe Rogan 54:05 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:05 Right? So then, the, it starts at those interest points or affinities-And then the next tier grows out from there. But as long as that tight-knit group... All right, so the problem with Gab, right? It's all, people say, "Oh, it's all Nazis," right? Well, that's that tight-knit group. (laughs) And it's-

Joe Rogan 54:24 (laughs) A tight-knit group of Nazis.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Gab should sell a shirt that says that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:31 (laughs) It's not just that, though. It's probably-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:33 It's not just that, at all.

Joe Rogan 54:33 If you have 100 regular folks and one Nazi, that Nazi becomes the defining factor of the group.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Like, "Oh, there's Nazis in there."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:40 Right. So, you know, it, it's not that at all, but there is a strong white nationalist movement that first gravitated over there. If he didn't have that, there would be no Gab.

Joe Rogan 54:53 You think so?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:54 I, I mean, uh, I don't think so at all.

Joe Rogan 54:57 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 54:57 Yeah. Like, why... Well, who would go there?

Joe Rogan 55:00 People that got kicked off of Twitter.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:01 But the only people that got, got kicked off of Twitter in the early days were the white nationalists.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Well, who was the first people, like, when... If you go back to-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:07 Gavin McInnes.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Yeah. Gavin McInnes is an-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:10 And the Proud Boys.

Joe Rogan 55:10 ... interesting character.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:11 He is.

Joe Rogan 55:11 He does not m- identify as a white nationalist.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:15 No, he does not.

Joe Rogan 55:16 And his wife is actually Native American.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:19 He's, he's just made some stupid choices.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:22 Right. Well, I mean, like Baked Alaska was kinda thrown into that conversation.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Yeah, but he's just like a meme maker.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:27 He's like a guy who makes funny memes.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:29 He's very funny, right?

Joe Rogan 55:30 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:30 Very entertaining. Um, but I, I think it comes down to who's dangerous or not.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Yeah. Well, the Proud Boys became a dangerous idea because once you have a group and you don't control who joins the group, then assholes can join your group, and then your group is made out of assholes. And you're like-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:45 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 55:45 ... "Well, I didn't want it to be assholes." But, well, you'll, you let anybody in.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:49 If you let anybody in a group-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:51 I used to have a joke about vegans about that. The problem with any group is the same. Like if you get w- any group of 100 people, if you're in a room with 100 people-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 55:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:59 ... what's the odds that one of them is gonna be a fucking idiot?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Well, it's 100%.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:03 One of them is gonna be a fucking idiot.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:05 Well, if you have 300 million people-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:08 ... you're gonna have, by odds, three million fucking idiots.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:13 And the joke was, a lot of them are vegans.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:16 It doesn't... It's not there's anything wrong with vegans. It's wrong with a group, and people just identify. They get in that group, and, "This is my group, and I'm here to represent."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:24 And then it's just dummies.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:26 Well, the thing with the Proud Boys is the ruling elite are afraid of men. You know? It, it's a huge soy boy movement coming down a, down a, down the p-

Joe Rogan 56:33 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:33 ... pipe, right? Soy everywhere. If anybody's listening right now, or everybody that's listening right now, soy is bad for you.

Joe Rogan 56:40 It's not good.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:41 It is very bad for you.

Joe Rogan 56:43 It's processed nonsense.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:44 The only-

Joe Rogan 56:44 It gives you estrogen.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:45 Oh, yes. Well, it, it, uh, uh, uh, it activates the phytoestrogens.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 56:50 You know, and has active phyto- phytoestrogens that, uh, attack the endocrine, endocrine gland system. Now, when we look at the endocrine gland system, uh, of people in th- in the spiritual world, the endocrine gland system is the physical manifestation of the so-called chakras, right? Now, at the heart chakra what we have is called the thymus gland, and the thymus gland is the one that controls your, uh, sexual maturity. And when you have an endocrine gland disruptor, your sexual maturity is affected. So a man who would ordinarily like women now likes... You see what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 57:27 But wouldn't you have to have massive quantities of soy for that to take place?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 57:30 That's, that's subjective based upon your biological structure, right?

Joe Rogan 57:34 I always think of it as more as, like, a fun thing to say. I don't think, you know-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 57:37 W- well, here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 57:38 You eat too much tofu, you turn into a bitch.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 57:39 Well, here's the thing. You can't go in a grocery store and find something that doesn't have soy. When you go look at your Cheez-Its or your crackers, they always just say soy lecithin. There's soy in everything. Soy everywhere, right? Uh, they use it as filler for some meats. So the whole vegan movement, right? You go and you go get your, your, your, your vegan burger.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Beyond Meat burger, yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:03 Right. Uh, a lot of these burgers are soy-based.

Joe Rogan 58:06 A lot of them are plant-based, for sure, plant-based oils.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:09 Right. But soy's-

Joe Rogan 58:10 You know, which is not good for you.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:11 Right. And then you also look at the links between soy and cancer, but that's a whole nother story. But when you have something that's disrupting your so-called chakras, you can see how you can start affecting an entire population of people, right? You start affecting their development at an early age. And then, you know, you got these men who are, uh, acting like women who can't even, you know, control their wives. You got some men out here that, uh, let another man sleep with their girlfriend, right?

Joe Rogan 58:40 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:40 And, and, and, and-

Joe Rogan 58:41 Out here?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:42 I don't know about out here.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Well, you're saying out here. (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:44 Well, when I say out here, I mean in this sh-

Joe Rogan 58:45 That's everywhere-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:46 ... out in the world.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:48 But, um-

Joe Rogan 58:48 But isn't that just people who are just kinky, into weird shit?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:51 Well... No.

Joe Rogan 58:54 You don't think so?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:54 No.

Joe Rogan 58:55 What, what do you think it is?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:56 I think it's pushed. I think, uh, debauchery-

Joe Rogan 58:59 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 58:59 ... is, is highly pushed, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:01 By who?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 59:02 The ruling elite, ruling cla- I don't wanna say elite-

Joe Rogan 59:04 Like, do you really have time-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 59:05 ... 'cause they're not elite.

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... to sit around and go, "You know what we need to do? We need to push debauchery"?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 59:08 Well, when you look at, uh, the degradation of, uh, Russia, right, um, before the Bolshevik Revolution, what they do is they come in first, uh, with alcohol, right? So they purchase your hops and your barley and they produce alcohol. Then what they do is they sell the alcohol to the farmer on credit, 'cause he ain't got no money, right? 'Cause he been drunk, he hasn't been producing the crops like he should. He falls into credit. He falls into debt. When he falls into debt, he's now a slave to the land he once owned. Now, now I can sell, uh, you know, whatever I want to this population or give this population whatever I want because they are now technically my slave. But in order to rule a, a nation of people, you have to destroy morality. You have to destroy integrity. So you, you feed them drugs, alcohol, and sex. And then tear apart the family.

Joe Rogan 59:59 But do you think that that's just a natural progression of people's slovenly instincts, or do you think that some sort of a grand plan?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:07 Do you think people have a slovenly instinct?

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Some people do.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 I think some people are lazy and some people are weak and some people are greedy and some people just...

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:16 You know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 They, they lean towards...... they lean towards just pleasure-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 ... without sacrifice and discipline because it's easy. You know, they just lay in bed and jerk off. I don't think anybody's telling them. I don't think there's any-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:29 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 ... sinister government manipulating their strings that makes them watch porn all day. I think they just-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:34 Well, yeah. Uh, actually, uh, you know, Instagram is a gateway to porn. Uh, Instagram, you can't go on Instagram without looking at some booty. (smacks lips) Right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Yeah. But it's also a gateway to sunsets and people's kids and muscle cars and-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:48 Come on, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 ... a lot of cool shit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:49 Ain't nobody going on Instagram (laughs) looking at sunsets. People are going on Instagram to look at booty.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 There's a lot of that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:56 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 No doubt.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:00:57 The yo- yoga community has went from, "Hey, check out my bakasana," to, "Check out my backside-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:05 "... in these yoga pants," right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 A lot of yoga pants pics.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:07 Booty.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Booty.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:09 Booty. Just booty alone-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Just booty.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:10 ... is an industry-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 It is a giant industry.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:12 ... (laughs) on Instagram.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:14 So what happens is you, you wake up in the morning, you check your notifications. Then your homie tags you, "Yo, look at this chick." Boom.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:23 Now you have an erection. What's the first thing you do? You like, "Oh, let me go to my browser. Hope in incognito browser and hit PornHub." Boom. Now you outta here, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:31 Now your day is done. You just depleted your, your energy, right? And, and this is coming out in my book where I talk about, you know, why you shouldn't jerk off and all that stuff. But-

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 You, did you write that you shouldn't jerk off?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Never?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:41 Uh, well, there's a, a calculation.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 You have a jerk-off algorithm?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:01:47 Yeah, there's a jerk-off algorithm. Uh, it's, uh, created by the Tao, the Taoist, uh, sexology. And I think it's your age times two... No. Your age divided by two times 100. I forget what it is. It's in my book. I can't remember it. Uh, but I got it from the Tao, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:05 Which is why I don't have it memorized. Times po- Is it age times .2? I think it's age times .2. Um, and then they tell you how many days, right? So at my age, I'm, I'm 38 now. At my age, it's about seven and a half days between ejaculation to main- to maintain who I am.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:22 Yeah. And, um-

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Damn.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:24 Yeah. S- so a man's strength is his balls, right? That's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:28 So every time you deplete yourself, you're not the same man anymore. You lose your superpowers.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:34 Now, when you lose your superpowers to some, you know, m- IG model, it's not even worthy. Your orgasm doesn't feel the same as a natural interaction with a woman.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Right.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:47 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 True.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:48 So you're, you're wasting your superpower on, on, on like a, a fictional fantasy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 So you're wasting a percentage of your vital energy.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:02:57 Y- your vital energy, as well as the proteins and minerals and zinc and magnesium and all that stuff that, you know, is lost.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Shoots out.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:03 Yeah. You know, uh, I think it's equivalent to like two New York strip steaks, eggs, oranges, and apples or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Really?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:09 Oh, yeah. It's a lot of vitamins, that's why if a woman-

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Depends on the size of loads you shoot though, no?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:13 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:17 That's why ladies should swallow-

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Whoa. Jesus, ladies.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:20 I'm sorry. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:22 That's why you should ingest it if the man is healthy, because it's a, it's a full meal.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:30 It's a full meal. It's a full meal of, of nutrients that a man loses.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:34 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Is it bioavailable that way?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 I wonder if anyone's done studies.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:39 We should.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 I bet they have. I bet people have done like nutrition/load studies.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:42 There's probably a startup out there, like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:44 ... trying to do this right now.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Yeah, like calculate it into an app.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:46 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 1:03:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 (laughs)

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:50 (laughs) Where has this conversation gone now? I totally forgot what we were talking about. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Well, we're talking about manipulating you, turning you into a soy boy-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:03:58 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 ... making, making people weak. So you, you think there's actual... See, this is where we differ.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 You think there's actual manipulation taking place.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:04 Everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 I think it's just natural instincts.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:06 Nah, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 And then I think that people see it around them and then they cater to those natural instincts, and then they support those natural instincts.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:14 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 But I think people have a natural instinct to be undisciplined and lazy and just gratuitous and-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 ... you know-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 ... d- d- dive into pleasure before sacrifice and commitment and-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:25 So are we making excuses for it?

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 ... discipline. Not making excuses. I think it's, uh, a l- also the softness of the world we live in.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 I mean, we live in this incredibly easy to get by in world.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 You know, where the poor people are fat.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 I mean, there's never been a time in history where poor people are fat.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:41 Yeah, yeah. Tha- that comes down to what's in-

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 It's weird.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:44 ... in the actual food.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:45 Or so-called food.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 It's certainly that. It's certainly that the food is garbage. But it's also that w- this strange lack of discipline, because it's not ne-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:04:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 It's not necessary. All you have to do is just show up to your job, put in the, the m- least amount of effort you can without getting fired and you can exist.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:01 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 That didn't e- that didn't happen in the wild world when people were hunters and gatherers. If you didn't put 100% effort, if you didn't really struggle, you didn't make it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 And you weren't a benefit to the tribe and they kicked your ass out-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 ... and you got eaten.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 That's how it's supposed to be.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:15 I do agree with that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Yeah.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:16 I do agree with that. Um, discipline is, is, uh, you know, what we have to demand from people.

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 Mm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:22 You know? Um, but, you know, your, your culture has to recognize debauchery and, and, and shun it and ban it and say, like, "Hey, you know, we don't want this here."

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:33 You know what I mean? Um, uh, porn is readily available on Twitter. You can watch it right on your feed. Sometimes I'm scrolling on my feed and it's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 I know. That's a weird thing about Twitter, isn't it? That it's a giant platform, but they allow porn.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:46 Yeah, so it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 You know, when I had Jack on with Tim Pool and I, I think Tim Pool didn't even know that porn was legal on it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:52 Yeah, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Right?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:53 I saw that, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:05:54 I, uh, I found a little bit of information, I don't know how accurate it is, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 About Tim Pool's Twitter use?

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:05:59 No, on the, uh- (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:06:00 ... ejaculation frequency.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Okay.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:02 Yes.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:02 Recommended by the Taos.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Ah, here we go.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:04 It said the most respected of the Tao theorists, Sun Simiao-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:08 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:08 ... quoted above, recommends ejaculation no more than once every 20 days for men over 50.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:13 Oh, Jesus.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:14 And no more than once every 100 days for men over 60.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 With that sh-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 ... I should be dead.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Okay.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:20 And, it has to do, it says-

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 'Cause I just have no energy. How am I getting everything done? Here.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:23 You're getting age-retarding hormones as you're about to ejaculate, and then there's a, a level you want to keep before you ejaculate. So, like that-

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Oh. So-

Jamie Vernon 1:06:32 You gotta balance what you're, before you re, excrete the hormones. That's what it's saying. You wanna just read it real quick.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 So, tantra.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:38 Yeah, I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Where you're like, "Yah!" You're supposed to-

Jamie Vernon 1:06:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 ... come internally.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:41 And then there's a level-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:43 Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:06:43 ... you can, like, optimize yourself for.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:44 Injackulation, they call it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Those people are out of their fucking minds. I'm trying to get rid of this shit.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 I, I've always said that it helps you think because too many times of, with a man-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 ... uh, your, your mind is clouded by sexual desire. If you could just jerk off, and then you could think clearly.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:06:59 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 I always tell, I used to have a bit about it.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:01 The opposite.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 I used to say, "Jerk off first, then think about it." Like, if you jerk off, and then you wanna call a girl, it's 'cause you love her. You're not just trying to fuck. You actually-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 ... like her as a human being. You wanna be around her. You don't just be, wanna, wanna be around her for sex. You actually really love her.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:16 Yeah. I think there's a level of discipline, right?

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Mm-hmm.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:18 So, um, yeah. If you're g- about to make that, that risky text message-

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Yeah. Risky.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:25 ... you might wanna shush a little and-

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 That's what-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:27 ... and reassess it. Right?

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 ... that's what I'm talking about.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:29 But then you think-

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 I be like, "What the f- I'm gonna watch a-"

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 "... fucking documentary."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 "Put that phone down."

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:34 But that's for an, uh, undisciplined man.

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 Yes.

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:36 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 S-

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe) 1:07:37 So, a disciplined man's