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Joe Rogan Experience #1318 - Hotep Jesus

Hotep Jesus is a tech investor, marketer and author. His book "Dominate Twitter" is available on http://bryansharpe.co

Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe)guestJamie VernonhostJoe Roganhost
Jun 27, 20192h 32mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:35

    Hotep Jesus origin story, spiritual awakening, and social-media status games

    1. HS

      (humming) Two, one, boom. (hands slamming) Hotep Jesus. How are you, sir?

    2. JV

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. HS

      I always wanted to say that. I wanted to call somebody that. I need that drop.

    5. JR

      How the fuck did you get a name like Hotep Jesus? How'd that come about?

    6. HS

      It wasn't my idea. You know, I was, uh, I had just went through my, uh, spiritual awakening.

    7. JR

      Oh, shit.

    8. HS

      I just left the hip hop industry, and I went through, like, that Mase thing, you know, where you go to church after-

    9. JR

      What are you doing with the headgear? We, we got, you got a lot going on up there.

    10. JV

      (laughs)

    11. HS

      I had to tie my hair down. This is a Black thing, man. I got school you on that. (laughs)

    12. JR

      So you had a-

    13. HS

      So-

    14. JR

      ... spiritual awakening.

    15. HS

      Yeah, I had this spiritual awakening, and I'm, you know, tweeting on Twitter like I do.

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. HS

      And, uh, somebody said, "What do you think you are? Some kind of Hotep Jesus?"

    18. JR

      Ooh, that's good.

    19. HS

      And I was just like, "Ooh, that's sexy."

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. HS

      "Yes, I do think I'm Hotep Jesus."

    22. JR

      That's perfect, and now you own it.

    23. HS

      Now I own it.

    24. JR

      That per- that person is probably like, "Fuck!"

    25. HS

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      "Goddammit, that was a great name I gave that dude."

    27. HS

      Yeah, I don't know who that person is or was, or where they are now, but-

    28. JR

      Shout out to whoever you are.

    29. HS

      Exactly.

    30. JR

      And Vibe High, your Twitter, why didn't you switch it to Hotep Jesus? Can you switch it?

  2. 1:35 – 6:46

    Free speech vs. platform control: advertisers, algorithms, and taboo topics

    1. JR

      They're, they're weird, man. They want, I mean, I think all social media, all tech companies want you to toe a line right now. And if you're not towing that line, and you bring on forbidden guests, and you have people that have controversial ideas, you know, they, they have that finger on the button of getting rid of you. They don't know what to do.

    2. HS

      It's just like radio.

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. HS

      You know? Like radio, uh, a lot of people don't know it, but radio has to play happy songs, 'cause happy people buy things. Um-

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. HS

      Yeah, that's... Well, that's what the studies say, allegedly. The marketing studies and advertising studies say people who are in a good mood tend to buy things, right? So, the radio is supposed to play happy songs all day long. And the radio works for the advertisers, kinda like media, you know-

    7. JR

      Right.

    8. HS

      ... so on and so forth, so social media's no different. They have advertisers. So if there's people on the platform who are creating disgruntled crowds, it could be hurting the bottom line.

    9. JR

      Yeah, but Facebook's algorithm actually favors that. The way Facebook has it set up, like say if-

    10. HS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      ... if you, uh, if you get into debates with people on abortion, or something, like, very controversial, they will start sending that shit to your feed. They will, they will prop... It, it will, it will, they'll sort of steer it in your direction. Because the more you engage, the more clicks they get, the more money they get, the more advertising dollars they get.

    12. HS

      Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, the Facebook algorithm is quite unique in, uh, the way that things can go viral there. Um, Twitter, I feel like, uh, the, the Twitter safety and counsel board-

    13. JR

      Hmm. Yeah, what do they call it? Trust and safety?

    14. HS

      Yeah, is that what it's called?

    15. JR

      Yeah, something like that.

    16. HS

      Yeah, so when I go and look at the entities that contribute to that board, I kinda start seeing, oh, okay, I see why certain topics are taboo.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. HS

      You know? Um, there's... When you ha- when there's a board, those people on the board are the voice.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. HS

      They're the ones that have the opinion, you know? So if your group isn't represented, maybe you need to figure out how to get on that board. You know what I mean?

    21. JR

      Right, I don't know if anybody's getting on that board. (laughs)

    22. HS

      No, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.

    23. JR

      And you better be left-wing if you're gonna get on that board.

    24. HS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Just, I don't think there's any right-wing people-

    26. HS

      But do you think, like-

    27. JR

      ... on that board.

    28. HS

      ... is... I think Jack's more, like, in the middle, right?

    29. JR

      Yes.

    30. HS

      I think he's closer to the middle. I don't think it's Jack. I think it's... You know, Jack's working on a bunch of different projects.

  3. 6:46 – 12:28

    Quarantines, provocateurs, and search manipulation: Reddit to YouTube

    1. HS

      But I mean, you look at YouTube, right? And what, what's been happening with YouTube, uh, even just the algorithm. You know, uh, I'm pretty good with keywords. I do SEO and marketing. So when I type in certain keywords or fr- find certain things, I know what's gonna come up or what type of content comes up. Now, when I type in those keywords, it's like A-B-C, N-B-C-

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. HS

      ... A-B-C, C-N-N. And I'm like, "That's not what I wanted." They, they don't even talk about these keywords.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. HS

      What are you talking about? (laughs) You know?

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. HS

      So when you start seeing that, you start thinking about Ingsoc and Orwell and 1984-

    8. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. HS

      ... and socialism and communism and fascism and, uh, the degradation of society. And, um, uh, a lot of control coming down. Um, you know, people, uh... You know, in some ways it's like, was the internet created for freedom or was it contr- created for control, right? So th- there's two different pathways we could probably look at there, but it seems like, in many ways, they set us up to be controlled. And they're doing it through monopolies. Google controls search, through YouTube and Google, and by what you search, you can think it's the truth, but what did Kanye say? Kanye said Google lied to you.

    10. JR

      Mm.

    11. HS

      You know? So-

    12. JR

      Kanye says a lot of crazy shit, though. You gotta really think about that. (laughs)

    13. HS

      He does. And I like crazy.

    14. JR

      (coughs) I do, too. I'm a big fan of crazy.

    15. HS

      I'm a little crazy. A lot of crazy sometimes.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. HS

      So I appreciate his crazy side more than his calm side.

    18. JR

      Hm. Well, great things come from wild thoughts.

    19. HS

      Right. Exactly.

    20. JR

      I think the internet was i- initially created to exchange information and then, when it got loose to the general public, they realized what a crazy idea that was.

    21. HS

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      What I think we're seeing right now with the algorithms is that these corporations are influencing these companies to say, "Hey, when someone's looking for these things, how about you send them over to ABC? How about you send them over to NBC? How about you..." You know, like, "We want to be able to get the first views on these things."

    23. HS

      Mm.

    24. JR

      "So if someone's searching for that..." I don't know how they do it. I don't know what they... Uh, whether they have agreements with them, maybe. I mean, there's also a lot of copywritten shit that's on there that could get YouTube in some significant trouble if they ever really decided to pursue it.

    25. HS

      Right.

    26. JR

      And how many videos are on YouTube that people have on their channel that are just f- straight off of Fox News or NBC News or... I mean, there's a lot of, like, copyright-protected content that-

    27. HS

      Right.

    28. JR

      ... YouTube is essentially profiting off of.

    29. HS

      Oh, yeah. Yeah, they make a ton of money off of that stuff.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  4. 12:28 – 21:33

    Fighting deplatforming by building alternatives: Bitcoin donations, email lists, and creator sovereignty

    1. HS

      Well, it... You know, I always relate it to the Black community. You know, the Black community always say, "Oh, you know, white people this, white people that, white people this, white people that. They're not giving us opportunity." And it's always like, "Well, is that the only opportunity? Can you not create your own opportunity?" You know what I mean? So I never wanna take a victim mentality and say, "Oh, you know, let's take Google to court." Mm. You know, all this stuff. It's like if you wanna do that, that's fine. That's not how I'm looking at this. I'm looking at it long term, like hooking up with Andrew Torba over at Gab. You know what I mean?

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. HS

      And building tools. So, you know, we do, uh, the coinbitsapp.com. And, uh, creators can actually, um... It's, it's based upon approval right now, but creators can go on there and receive Bitcoin as a donation. You know, so we're circumventing the things that happened, like with the deplatforming at Patreon, right? And the other payment platforms for creators. So we're creating tools to circumvent these things. So, that's how I look at it. I'm like, "Oh, Google's doing this? Great. This is g- a great opportunity here. Let me seize it and let me build it and be, you know, the alternative."

    4. JR

      Mm.

    5. HS

      You know, I love to see that. Um, is the alternative going to be YouTube and as popular? Of course not. It's just not. But it's still a viable option. You can still communicate with your people. The number one communication tool for an influencer with their, with their, uh, community is email. Build your email list, right? People still subscribe to your email list, right?

    6. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    7. HS

      That's not YouTube. That's not Google. That's your email list. That's your contact list. So it's like you can complain about YouTube or Google, but you can build your audience almost anywhere. It depends on how powerful you are. Are you powerful enough to convince people to come to this other platform or to wherever you are?

    8. JR

      Mm.

    9. HS

      A lot of people are powerful enough to pack a room at $2,000 a ticket. You telling me you can't get somebody to go to another platform for free?

    10. JR

      Who charges $2,000 a ticket?

    11. HS

      Uh, I mean, a lot of these speakers, you know, like the Tony Robbins-type cats.

    12. JR

      Does this really... He charges 2,000 bucks?

    13. HS

      I think he charges, like, 10. Yeah, I think s- I think some of his stuff is, like, 10.

    14. JV

      That one sort of surprises me.

    15. HS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      But he's doing, like, these week-long events where everybody gets together. "I'm gonna change your life."

    17. HS

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      And he's, like, doing karate kicks and shit.

    19. HS

      Well... (laughs)

    20. JR

      Right?

    21. HS

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. HS

      It's... When you... Well, that's how you get the bigger check.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. HS

      You gotta create a bigger experience.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. HS

      So it's like, "All right, so we'll do a one-day at 2K," right? It's like, "Well, how do I get 10K?" It's like, "Well, let's just extend it for the week and, you know-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. HS

      ... add, like, you know, the kickboxing class."

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  5. 21:33 – 26:51

    Why most platforms are ‘trash’ (except Twitter): product design, incentives, and quitting Instagram

    1. HS

      (laughs) Facebook trash. I've been saying that for like the past decade. Facebook's trash. I stopped using Facebook a decade ago, right? If I used it, it was just like forced, you know what I mean?

    2. JR

      I use it as a publishing outlet. I- I... When I put tour dates or something like that, I put it on Facebook.

    3. HS

      Right.

    4. JR

      I don't engage.

    5. HS

      Right, exactly.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. HS

      So, you know, I can- I can respect that. I don't use Instagram. I left it months ago when Farrakhan got kicked off the platform, a bunch of conservatives got kicked off the platform. I'm like, "Oh, I don't need that shit neither." So I left. And also, tr-

    8. JR

      Did you keep your account, just in case?

    9. HS

      Yeah, absolutely.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. HS

      Yeah, it's bookmarked. Um, you know, I got a automated bot I'm gonna set up and, or... You know.

    12. JR

      Oh, okay.

    13. HS

      All that stuff.

    14. JR

      There you go.

    15. HS

      Yeah. So, you know, F these platforms. We don't need 'em. They're not that great. If you look at the story on Instagram, Instagram was a- a- a- a lucky project. It was serendipitous, right? Basically what happened was, uh, some kids built a project. It was called Instagram. They were working on a whole bunch of other things. Some popular kids started using the platform, it blew up, and then they passed it onto Facebook. From the very inception, I said this is a very trash prod- product. It's just horrible. Horribly curated, right?It- it's so horribly curated that Facebook can't even monetize the platform properly, right? But that's a whole 'nother story. But the platform itself and its functionality is stupid. It's just popular.

    16. JR

      Well, you know what's weird is like replying to people and reading replies, like what... In the comments. Like you can't even keep up with anything.

    17. HS

      No. No. And you can't get all your notifications. The notifications aren't curated properly. It's just... It's like as if they don't care, right? It's... They don't care, right?

    18. JR

      Is it that they don't care or is it that it got so big so quick and it's stuck in this format? You'd have to kind of reformat the way it's...

    19. HS

      They don't care.

    20. JR

      You don't think so?

    21. HS

      They don't care. They don't care. Y- y- if you... If you want to build a product for your user, you can do that. If you want to build a product for advertisers, you can do that. They built the product for advertisers and not for users. If they built it for users, you and I would be able to have a conversation on there.

    22. JR

      Well, isn't it... Originally, wasn't it TextAmerica? Was that the same thing? Was TextAmerica the original one?

    23. HS

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      That's the one where I have the picture of the prostitute in the bathroom.

    25. JV

      You mean like where you would text something to-

    26. JR

      You'd- you'd send a photo. You send a photo and a text message-

    27. JV

      Yeah, but it wasn't like-

    28. JR

      ... and it would go off to an internet website.

    29. JV

      It would be like on a site like Imgur or something. Not like a feed where people would follow you like that, was it?

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm. No, there was a thing that you would follow...

  6. 26:51 – 29:27

    Twitter as a culture engine: marketing tactics, Giffitize, and building products that do one thing well

    1. JR

      What do you like so much about Twitter?

    2. HS

      It's, uh, (sighs) it's, it's, it's, it's a perfect platform to crowdsource information, number one. Right?

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. HS

      Um, like you said, without Twitter, w- I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I coulda never got to you on Facebook or Instagram. That woulda never happened.

    5. JR

      Maybe Instagram. Some of 'em, if, if a friend... Most of it is, like, hey, one of my friends says, "Check out this guy. This guy's cool. This guy's interesting."

    6. HS

      Right.

    7. JR

      "Maybe you should talk to this guy."

    8. HS

      Okay.

    9. JR

      That's how it usually happens, and then I'll go to your page and I checked it out and I saw a lot of interesting conversations you were having, and-

    10. HS

      Right.

    11. JR

      ... saw some videos.

    12. HS

      Well, the thing is, Instagram doesn't allow you to see in my heart. They don't allow you to see in the soul. Twitter, I can really connect with people.

    13. JR

      How come you can't do that on Instagram?

    14. HS

      The algorithm, man. You know, you-

    15. JR

      Oh, you mean because it hides stuff and stuff? Yeah.

    16. HS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      But once you develop a good following, it doesn't really matter. People will go to your page. They'll go look for you.

    18. HS

      But how often... But how often can you post?

    19. JR

      On Instagram?

    20. HS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      How often can you post?

    22. HS

      With, like-

    23. JR

      Well, you can't do it like Twitter, where you could just do it every couple minutes and-

    24. HS

      You see what I'm saying?

    25. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    26. HS

      So, if I wanted to, I could go from deep to where my middle-aged white women at.

    27. JR

      Right. (laughs)

    28. HS

      (laughs) In 15 minutes' time.

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. HS

      You know, I can take you deep and then I can make you laugh.

  7. 29:27 – 33:08

    Parenting with ‘edutainment’: twins, personality differences, and the ‘mirror’ method

    1. HS

      It's, it's, you know... So, um, I got kids, so, um, when I, when I teach my kids, it's always through edutainment.

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. HS

      You know, if I can't make my kids laugh while I'm doing my lecture... Every day when they come home from school, or I try to do every day, there's a lecture waiting for them.

    4. JR

      Oh.

    5. HS

      And we're gonna talk about something real in life.

    6. JR

      How many kids you have?

    7. HS

      Three. Uh, my daughter's 16 and my boys are, uh, tw- 10. I have twin boys. Uh, Dallas, Phoenix, and Sydney. Um, they're all named after cities. Um... (laughs)

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. HS

      So, every day they come home, I have a lecture waiting for them, but when I prepare my lectures for them, I always figure, "How am I gonna make them laugh?" 'Cause my son, Dallas, he's, uh, very linear in thinking. I could lecture and he'll sit there and he'll listen to every single word. The other two are like me, they'll just, like, zone out.

    10. JR

      So, your twins not... Uh, are they identical twins?

    11. HS

      Fraternal.

    12. JR

      Fraternal. Oh.

    13. HS

      Yeah.So his brother and his sister are just like me. We'll all tune out-

    14. JR

      (coughs)

    15. HS

      ... and go into la-la land and start-

    16. JR

      That's gotta be weird when you have two kids that were born at the exact same time. They're twins, but yet they're totally different.

    17. HS

      Yeah. And they look different.

    18. JR

      That's so weird.

    19. HS

      One's brown-skinned, one's light-skinned.

    20. JR

      Whoa.

    21. HS

      (laughs) Yeah. So-

    22. JR

      (laughs) So they both come out of the box at the same time too.

    23. HS

      Yeah. (laughs) Uh, you know, it's, it's a crazy dynamic. The birth-

    24. JR

      Genetics are nuts, man.

    25. HS

      Yeah. Their personalities are very different.

    26. JR

      (clears throat) That is one of the thing that trips me out the most about having kids.

    27. HS

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      Is how, how... Just they are their own little person out of the fucking box.

    29. HS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Like, you influence them a little. You teach them. You can give them morals and ethics, and you can-

  8. 33:08 – 36:29

    Breaking up Big Tech: Standard Oil lessons, monopoly consolidation, and ‘town square’ arguments

    1. JR

      What do you think about all this talk, like, Elizabeth Warren's talked about it, and some other candidates have talked about it, some other politicians have talked about breaking up these big companies, breaking up Facebook, it's too big, break up Google, break up Twitter?

    2. HS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      What do you think about that?

    4. HS

      Well, um, I think we have to study what happened to Standard Oil.

    5. JR

      What happened to Standard Oil?

    6. HS

      Um, with Standard Oil, they, uh, broke it up and it became, uh, Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, uh, I think BP. Don't quote me on that one. But-

    7. JR

      Does anybody have brand loyalty to gas? Is anybody like, "Dude, I'm a Chevron man"?

    8. HS

      Yeah. Well, y-... they create those, those cards, right? Those-

    9. JR

      Oh, loyalty cards?

    10. HS

      ... gas cards.

    11. JR

      Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    12. HS

      So that's how they create a loyalty program-

    13. JR

      Oh, here it is.

    14. HS

      ... with the gas cards.

    15. JR

      The evolution of Standard Oil. Jamie, pull it up on the screen.

    16. HS

      Yeah, there you go.

    17. JR

      Wow. So Standard Oil was too big.

    18. HS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      You know? Like, "Fuck this place."

    20. HS

      Right.

    21. JR

      "We have to move it around a little bit."

    22. JV

      1911.

    23. JR

      Standard Oil of Kentu-... 1911 they did this?

    24. HS

      Right. So, so if you look at it, it's broken up into-

    25. JR

      (coughs)

    26. HS

      ... I think it says 34, right? 34 companies, right? So you see Startom-

    27. JR

      Wow.

    28. HS

      ... on the, on the left, right? And then as you go, what do you see? You see a consolidation, don't you? (laughs)

    29. JR

      Hmm. Merged.

    30. HS

      You see these merges?

  9. 36:29 – 56:26

    Deplatforming, fringe speech, and messy alternatives: white nationalists, Gab optics, and manipulation campaigns

    1. HS

      Yeah. Well, you know, uh, a couple of years ago, or last year, I forget wh- No, it was about a couple of years ago, um, I was lambasted for, uh, defending white nationalists, you know, when they first got deplatformed. Some of them got deplatformed were just white nationalists, period. I'm like, "Well, if this is how these people feel, let's listen to them. Let's listen to their gripes. What are they mad about," right? And then people are like, "Oh, how could you? These people are racist, da, da, da." I'm like, "I don't care if they're racist. Like, th- that doesn't affect me," right? Like, I'm not asking them for a job, so they can't be racist towards me, you know what I mean? (laughs) But, um, when you have these, these groups that people call fringe, I feel like the people that are fringe are the test for freedom of speech. It's not the people in the middle. It's the fringe groups on the outside. If they don't have freedom of speech, everybody in the middle is screwed.

    2. JR

      Mm.

    3. HS

      So I stood up and I was like, "Yo, let these dudes talk. Like, stop doing that." Like, like, you know, I don't care, you know, if they're racist or whatever. People called me names. But then now you see it coming down, and we lost, you know, Louis Farrakhan. He got deplatformed, he lost his verification, you know, and it's like, you know, this... He's like hotel-

    4. JR

      Wha- was there anything specifically that he said that allowed them to do that, or did they just make a sweeping... Because they got rid of Milo, they got rid of Gavin McInnes, they got rid of a bunch of people that were on Instagram and Facebook that they hadn't deplatformed, but it didn't seem like there was anything that happened that caused them to do that. It seemed like they just made some sort of a decision-

    5. HS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... that I think was probably based on preparing for the 2020 elections.

    7. HS

      Absolutely. So what, so what I think what happened was, uh, the, uh, uh, the banning of Louis Farrakhan is just a theory, but they were like, "All right. If we ban these conservatives-"

    8. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. HS

      "... the conservative crowd is gonna just go ape shit, right? But if we throw them Louis Farrakhan, it'll kinda settle things down a little because it'll look like we're fair," right?

    10. JR

      I think you're exactly right.

    11. HS

      Yeah. So I'm like, so that's what they did. They're like, "Oh, let's throw them in there and that'll-"

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. HS

      "... you know, smooth things over."

    14. JR

      That's exactly what I thought when I saw it.

    15. HS

      Yeah?

    16. JR

      Yeah. I was like-

    17. HS

      Yeah, it's on point.

    18. JR

      ... "This seems weird."

    19. HS

      Yeah, yeah.

    20. JR

      It's like they have to justify it, like, "No, we got rid of him too."

    21. HS

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      You know?

    23. HS

      Yeah, yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, i- it's a strange time because there's... Even though there is Gab and there's Minds and there's, there's a couple other startups that are-

    25. HS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... they're trying to make their way and the Jordan Peterson one, and there's nothing that really stands out. And once someone starts... Once a, a giant group of people starts using something, unless it's, like... What's, what's hilarious is when they, one of them vanished, like Myspace. How fucking badly did they manage Myspace?

    27. HS

      Oh, man.

    28. JR

      'Cause Myspace had it all.

    29. HS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      They had everybody.

  10. 56:26 – 1:16:14

    Soy boys, porn funnels, and the ‘jerk-off algorithm’: discipline, sexuality, and Taoist sex rules

    1. HS

      Well, the thing with the Proud Boys is the ruling elite are afraid of men. You know? It, it's a huge soy boy movement coming down a, down a, down the p-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. HS

      ... pipe, right? Soy everywhere. If anybody's listening right now, or everybody that's listening right now, soy is bad for you.

    4. JR

      It's not good.

    5. HS

      It is very bad for you.

    6. JR

      It's processed nonsense.

    7. HS

      The only-

    8. JR

      It gives you estrogen.

    9. HS

      Oh, yes. Well, it, it, uh, uh, uh, it activates the phytoestrogens.

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. HS

      You know, and has active phyto- phytoestrogens that, uh, attack the endocrine, endocrine gland system. Now, when we look at the endocrine gland system, uh, of people in th- in the spiritual world, the endocrine gland system is the physical manifestation of the so-called chakras, right? Now, at the heart chakra what we have is called the thymus gland, and the thymus gland is the one that controls your, uh, sexual maturity. And when you have an endocrine gland disruptor, your sexual maturity is affected. So a man who would ordinarily like women now likes... You see what I'm saying?

    12. JR

      But wouldn't you have to have massive quantities of soy for that to take place?

    13. HS

      That's, that's subjective based upon your biological structure, right?

    14. JR

      I always think of it as more as, like, a fun thing to say. I don't think, you know-

    15. HS

      W- well, here's the thing.

    16. JR

      You eat too much tofu, you turn into a bitch.

    17. HS

      Well, here's the thing. You can't go in a grocery store and find something that doesn't have soy. When you go look at your Cheez-Its or your crackers, they always just say soy lecithin. There's soy in everything. Soy everywhere, right? Uh, they use it as filler for some meats. So the whole vegan movement, right? You go and you go get your, your, your, your vegan burger.

    18. JR

      Beyond Meat burger, yeah.

    19. HS

      Right. Uh, a lot of these burgers are soy-based.

    20. JR

      A lot of them are plant-based, for sure, plant-based oils.

    21. HS

      Right. But soy's-

    22. JR

      You know, which is not good for you.

    23. HS

      Right. And then you also look at the links between soy and cancer, but that's a whole nother story. But when you have something that's disrupting your so-called chakras, you can see how you can start affecting an entire population of people, right? You start affecting their development at an early age. And then, you know, you got these men who are, uh, acting like women who can't even, you know, control their wives. You got some men out here that, uh, let another man sleep with their girlfriend, right?

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. HS

      And, and, and, and-

    26. JR

      Out here?

    27. HS

      I don't know about out here.

    28. JR

      Well, you're saying out here. (laughs)

    29. HS

      Well, when I say out here, I mean in this sh-

    30. JR

      That's everywhere-

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