Joe Rogan Experience #1320 - Eric Weinstein

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... create, but without…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... create, but without bullshit. It's very important when you recreate, you have no bullshit. So it's Eric Weinstein, not Weinstein.

   2. EWEric Weinstein0:12

      Yeah, I think it was originally Weinstein.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Weinstein?

   4. EWEric Weinstein0:15

      Shtein.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Oh, Weinstein. With-

   6. EWEric Weinstein0:17

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      ... German.

   8. EWEric Weinstein0:18

      Yeah, but, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Ja.

   10. EWEric Weinstein0:20

       It was, uh, we, we came from a, uh, town between Odesa and Kiev called Uman, and that's where the fam- the, the Weinstein family came from.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       We talked about, uh, how many people mispronounce. The-

   12. EWEric Weinstein0:35

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... Weinstein instead of Weinstein.

   14. EWEric Weinstein0:38

       It's e- it's epidemic, and yet nobody ever says Albert Einstein.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yes, that's-

   16. EWEric Weinstein0:45

       Do they?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah.

   18. EWEric Weinstein0:45

       Strange, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       That is a weird one. The Einstein is n- now, like, is there, is there a guy named Mike Ein- uh, like, "Oh, Mike Einstein." No, no, no. Einstein. Is there a guy like that?

   20. EWEric Weinstein0:55

       You, you, do you remember the old, uh, what was it, Blazing Saddles, with, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Sure, Mel Brooks.

   22. EWEric Weinstein1:00

       Yeah, Mel Brooks and, uh, Harvey Korman's character-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah.

   24. EWEric Weinstein1:04

       ... was Hedley Lamar, and everyone would call him Headie Lamar. And that was like the running joke in the picture.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       (laughs) Oh, that's right. I fucking loved Mel Brooks movies.

   26. EWEric Weinstein1:13

       Do you remember the Yiddish-speaking Indians? That, that had to be the best.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Oh, yeah, that's right. He had some great movies, man. Su- just fun fucking movies, man. Just silly, fun, outrageous movies.

   28. EWEric Weinstein1:26

       Yeah, I mean, he was, he was transitional, right? I guess it was the Borscht Belt being updated for the modern era.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Yeah, into film. Yeah, but it was also, it was, you know, for the time, much more contemporary, but with that sort of Borscht Belt sort of shticky, sort of...

   30. EWEric Weinstein1:44

       Right, in the writer's room, I guess from Sid Caesar's Show of Shows, was this legendary factory before Saturday Night Live for all of these kind of crazy talents behind the scenes. I think he came out of that with Carl Reiner.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Hmm. …

   1. EWEric Weinstein15:00

      when did things just change, like, almost overnight, you know, Bob Beaman ar- arguably is one of the great moments in all of sporting history, and it happens in the long jump just because you have an incremental sport that suddenly, you know, somebody jumps a foot more than anyone's ever jumped before, something like that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      Hmm.

   3. EWEric Weinstein15:16

      So it's really interesting when somebody changes the game.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      It is. And, and when you find out that there's stuff that you can do in other sports, like skate sports, like different crazy flips and stuff, and someone figures out how to do that on a wave, the consequences are so fucking grave if you make a mistake and you're on a 80-foot wave and that bitch comes slamming down on you.

   5. EWEric Weinstein15:39

      But part of the innovation is safety, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      Mm-hmm. Right. Those-

   7. EWEric Weinstein15:41

      Like, with these vests.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      Inflatable vests, yeah.

   9. EWEric Weinstein15:43

      And with these water tr- w- water safety courses for big wave surfers. Um, I think that what's fascinating is, y- you think the innovation is in the tricks maybe, but maybe the innovation is actually in, hey, you can afford a two-wave hold-down in a way you couldn't before.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Hmm.

   11. EWEric Weinstein16:03

       Or y- you're gonna survive all sorts of things that might've been fatal.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Right, right. So you have this open area to innovate. Yeah. That makes ... I mean, surfing's fascinating to me. I don't do it, I haven't done it, but I went snorkeling when I was in Hawaii last, uh, couple weeks ago.

   13. EWEric Weinstein16:20

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       And I'm such a pussy. I'm just, uh, I'm, I'm snorkeling with my kids, right? So, of course, like, I'm trying to figure out how to be the, the mama duck and, like, corral everybody, so if the sharks come then it gets me. I'm just trying to, I'm just looking around 'cause some guy got ga- he got jacked, um, I think snorkeling in Maui just a couple months ago, like, right off of a resort.

   15. EWEric Weinstein16:45

       Tiger shark, probably.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Yeah, probably.

   17. EWEric Weinstein16:47

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Just (chomps) (smacks lips) . Yeah.

   19. EWEric Weinstein16:50

       Well, so, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Some lady got it yesterday. Not yesterday, a couple days ago in, was it the Bahamas? Three sharks. One took her arm off and the other two just ripped her apart in front of everybody.

   21. EWEric Weinstein17:05

       (sighs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       College kid from-

   23. EWEric Weinstein17:05

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       ... from California.

   25. EWEric Weinstein17:07

       Well, I, I'm very interested in situations that change with sharks. Like Reunion, for example, in the Indian Ocean off of Madagascar used to be a surfing hotspot, and they had a bull shark problem where the bull sharks just sort of learned how to eat humans or attack humans.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       T- great.

   27. EWEric Weinstein17:23

       But the great thing is we have got some weird thing going on with the true apex predator of the seas, which is the orca. We have one recorded bite in the wild ever. Now how does this make any sense? Like, great whites are not apex predators because orcas will just take them out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       Right.

   29. EWEric Weinstein17:42

       And I had this poll on Twitter the other day, which is, uh, orcas: um, best species ever was n- number one, then the other possibility was the dicks of the deep because they're such assholes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       I didn't know that there was a recorded bite of anyone in the wild. I thought it was all in captivity.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Really? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      from the word cannabis, all canvas was made from hemp.

   2. EWEric Weinstein30:03

      Really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yes.

   4. EWEric Weinstein30:03

      Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      All that stuff is made from hemp. It's far superior to, uh, cotton, far superior in terms of, uh, strength, in terms of the, its durability. It's-

   6. EWEric Weinstein30:13

      Better than jute?

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      I don't know what jute is.

   8. EWEric Weinstein30:16

      Jute is what burlap bags, like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Oh, yeah.

   10. EWEric Weinstein30:18

       Jute is what built-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       It's way better than that stuff.

   12. EWEric Weinstein30:19

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       No, hemp is a alien plant. It's, hemp, if you had a piece of hemp-

   14. EWEric Weinstein30:25

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       ... like the stalk of hemp and you cut it into boards, like this table-

   16. EWEric Weinstein30:28

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       ... that, it would be as hard as this oak, but as light as balsa wood. It's incredibly strange. I, um-... I've seen these, like, the actual stalk of a hemp tree when it gets really big.

   18. EWEric Weinstein30:42

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       And you'll have it thick around, like, like a man's shoulder, right? But it weighs like nothing. It's really strange. It's a strange, strange plant. Not like any other plant.

   20. EWEric Weinstein30:52

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       It has all the essential amino acids. It contains protein. You can cook with the oil. The oil can sustain you. It's got essential fatty acids in the oil.

   22. EWEric Weinstein31:02

       No wonder we have to ban it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Oh, it's a, uh, fucking amazing, amazing plant.

   24. EWEric Weinstein31:06

       All right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       But anyway, (smacks lips) um, they came out with this decorticator. And the decorticator ... Because the, the way they used to do it, it was, like, a very labor-intensive process of breaking down the hemp fiber and turning it into something that you can make clothes with and paper.

   26. EWEric Weinstein31:18

       Nice.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       And so Popular Science magazine in ... See if you can find the cover of this. In, like, the 19-... early 1930s, it had a cover that said, "Hemp, the new billion-dollar crop."

   28. EWEric Weinstein31:29

       Ah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       And because they ha- had this decorticator, right? So William Randolph Hearst, uh, on top of having Hearst Publications-

   30. EWEric Weinstein31:37

       Right.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   No, but it, it,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      they w-... 'Cause it b-... It's, it's a disingenuous conversation. They're not really trying to find out what you think. They're trying to get you.

   2. EWEric Weinstein45:06

      No, but it, it, it's more interesting. For example, um, there's been a ton of pressure, we can get to this in a second, to, for me to address the question of the IDW. Is it still alive? Is it in trouble? What's going on?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      Oh, the International Dork Web?

   4. EWEric Weinstein45:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Is that what it is?

   6. EWEric Weinstein45:21

      The Intentional-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      (laughs)

   8. EWEric Weinstein45:23

      ... Dirt Web, uh, Dirtbag Web. The, um... L- let's come back to that. When Cher did this, uh, remake of I Got You, Babe with Beavis and Butthead-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:35

      (laughs)

   10. EWEric Weinstein45:35

       ... she took this, remember, 'cause she had this duet with Sonny Bono, and then she got into a bad thing with Sonny, and so she said, "I'm gonna re-record the song, and I'm just gonna torch it." Right? Now, the problem is, somebody had that as their wedding song. Right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       With Beavis and Butthead?

   12. EWEric Weinstein45:51

       No, no, no. With Sonny.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       The other one?

   14. EWEric Weinstein45:52

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Oh. Okay.

   16. EWEric Weinstein45:53

       Or I mean, somebody probably did it with Beavis and Butthead, but they-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Yeah, guarantee you some-

   18. EWEric Weinstein45:55

       ... they're so punk they don't care.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       ... people from Florida use that one.

   20. EWEric Weinstein45:57

       Okay, right. That's (laughs) -

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       (laughs)

   22. EWEric Weinstein45:59

       ... Florida man uses... Um, the problem when you change things is that other people wed themselves to where you were.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Mm.

   24. EWEric Weinstein46:08

       And so when you pull up and you say, "Yeah, I don't think that. That's just wrong. I was confused. Man, I was going through a dark time, and I probably was saying stuff I shouldn't," if you do that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       Right.

   26. EWEric Weinstein46:18

       ... then anybody who sort of invested in that version of you and inc- integrated that into their lives is now angry. They're upset.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Mm.

   28. EWEric Weinstein46:27

       "Wait a minute, you pulled the rug out from under me." And so-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Right.

   30. EWEric Weinstein46:30

       ... you know, in part with what Bowie and Madonna did is they said, "Look, these are stages. And if you like that stage, that stage is yours, but I'm not staying there." And I think that that's sort of the more responsible way of doing it is, is that you're allowed your evolution, but you have to let people know, um, "I'm gonna do something totally different from time to time."
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      call you up mad because your friend ejaculated inside of her, it was one of the most... I, I hung up the phone. I literally fell to the ground laughing. I was lying on my back on the floor of my house going, "Ah!" (laughs)

   2. EWEric Weinstein1:00:15

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      Like, it's just so ridiculous. That's Bryon Callan. (smacks lips)

   4. EWEric Weinstein1:00:19

      Bryon Callan, everybody.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      So I called him up, and I said, "Did you... What happened?" And he (laughs) he's like, "Whoops." (laughs)

   6. EWEric Weinstein1:00:26

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      It was just such a ridiculous conversation. But I've been friends with that guy forever. So all of our conversations are like that.

   8. EWEric Weinstein1:00:33

      I see.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

      All of our con- um, conversations are, like, jokes and hazing and shitting on each other, but it's all hugs and love. I mean, I love-

   10. EWEric Weinstein1:00:40

       Yeah, he's so posi-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       I love that guy to death.

   12. EWEric Weinstein1:00:41

       He's so positive-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Yeah.

   14. EWEric Weinstein1:00:42

       ... and generous. And, you know, th- one funny thing, I w- I, you know, I was looking at his Instagram, and he's seated next to, I don't know, what was it? I can't remember. Was it cheetah?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   16. EWEric Weinstein1:00:54

       He's sitting next to a wild cheetah-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       (laughs)

   18. EWEric Weinstein1:00:55

       ... in Africa.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Yeah.

   20. EWEric Weinstein1:00:56

       And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       And he's talking about how he hunts with it.

   22. EWEric Weinstein1:00:57

       He's like... (laughs) ... I like to get up in the morning.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       (laughs)

   24. EWEric Weinstein1:01:02

       Perhaps we will hunt together.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       (laughs)

   26. EWEric Weinstein1:01:03

       I smell antelope nearby.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       (laughs)

   28. EWEric Weinstein1:01:05

       You know, he just, like, he's clowning, and there's an actual-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Yeah.

   30. EWEric Weinstein1:01:08

       ... dude.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:32

   Section 6

   1. EWEric Weinstein1:15:01

      the tollbooth disappears because it has to go to the next kid who needs it, you know? And so my question was always, "Why, why on earth would we tell the same story over and over and over and over and over again?" It has the same format and it's always a different context. And I came to believe that the story is actually this unkept promise for most people, that in their adult lives, they don't find these portals. So for example, have you ever been to Barcelona, Spain?

Episode duration: 3:28:11