Joe Rogan Experience #1322 - Reggie Watts

1. 0:00 – 2:03

   Coke nails, trying cocaine, and why addictions take over

   1. RWReggie Watts0:00

      Oh, yeah. That's all he is. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Boom. And we're live. That's it.

   3. RWReggie Watts0:04

      Hi.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Hello, Reggie.

   5. RWReggie Watts0:06

      Yeah, this stuff, purple venom. Um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      That's what he calls it?

   7. RWReggie Watts0:09

      That, that's what his friend calls it. And, uh, yeah, his friend's like, you know, pretty skeptical, uh, skeptical about other people's stuff, but then he tried it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Did you have a coke nail? Was that a coke nail?

   9. RWReggie Watts0:16

      No.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       The left one?

   11. RWReggie Watts0:17

       No, I know. People think-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       They're super long.

   13. RWReggie Watts0:19

       People think that they're coke nails, they're not.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Are they fake?

   15. RWReggie Watts0:21

       No. They're real.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       They're real.

   17. RWReggie Watts0:22

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       You g- but y- you don't do coke?

   19. RWReggie Watts0:24

       I don't do coke.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Ever? Have you ever done coke?

   21. RWReggie Watts0:26

       I mean, I do Coke Zero.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs)

   23. RWReggie Watts0:27

       I have done, I, I have done, uh, (laughs) it's like Coke Light. It's like, it looks like coke, you can snort it, it feels like coke, but it doesn't give you high. Um, no, uh, I, I have. I've tried it, I would say, honestly, maybe four times.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Mm-hmm.

   25. RWReggie Watts0:39

       And I've never ... It's always, it just felt like I just took three shots of espresso, and I'm not r- it's not really, it doesn't do anything for me that I'm like, "Ah, I'd better g- I'd better invest in that."

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       I need to try it one day, because I just, I need to know what's going on.

   27. RWReggie Watts0:55

       I mean-

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I'm 51 years old. How do I n- I don't know what coke is.

   29. RWReggie Watts0:58

       I, you know, I think it's worth, I mean, if you don't, if you, you know, if you don't have a predisposition for being a hyper-addictive personality type-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Oh, I definitely do, but-
2. 2:03 – 2:56

   Weed tech and stoner culture: the auto joint-filling machine

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      Spark that bitch up. Let's do this shit, Reggie.

   2. RWReggie Watts2:04

      Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. Here it is. Here, you can have the first-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:07

      Come on. Oh, oh, thank you.

   4. RWReggie Watts2:07

      I used an automated machine.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Ooh.

   6. RWReggie Watts2:09

      The, the Auto. Have you heard of it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      No.

   8. RWReggie Watts2:11

      So cool. It's like this, like, little-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      It's like grinder and a?

   10. RWReggie Watts2:13

       It's a grinder and it, and it fits on a tube that you put an empty rolling thing in there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Ooh.

   12. RWReggie Watts2:17

       So you, like, you put that in there. Oh, you got it. Um, and then it's like a, yeah, it's like a clear tube. You put in the pre-rolled, you know, empty whatever, joint thing. And then, uh, and then you put this machine that just goes over, attaches magnetically. And then you put in your weed and you just press a button. And it's like coffee makers, like ... Where's the hatch?

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       (mimicking machine sounds)

   14. RWReggie Watts2:37

       And it fills it up perfectly, and then you just pack it by shaking it and twisting it and you're done.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       These goddamn stoners today. They're getting too crazy.

   16. RWReggie Watts2:44

       I know. I rarely smoke. I always make exceptions for stuff like this.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       You rare-

   18. RWReggie Watts2:48

       There it is.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Oh, look at it.

   20. RWReggie Watts2:49

       There. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Wow. That's actually pretty sleek looking.

   22. RWReggie Watts2:54

       Yeah, it's by Banana Brothers, I think, is the company.

3. 2:56 – 5:44

   Hip-hop knowledge gaps, lyrics vs beats, and what makes rap compelling

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:56

      You know, I, I smoke pretty regularly, but, um, I, I got high with B-Real. I did, uh, his Smoke Box show.

   2. RWReggie Watts3:04

      Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      I'm like, "Okay, I'm gonna find-"

   4. RWReggie Watts3:05

      Who's B-Real? A rapper.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      Cypress Hill.

   6. RWReggie Watts3:06

      Oh, it's Cypress Hill. Gotcha.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      How dare you?

   8. RWReggie Watts3:08

      I apologize.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      Who's B-Real?

   10. RWReggie Watts3:09

       I apologize.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Who the fuck are you, Reggie?

   12. RWReggie Watts3:09

       I, just so you know, I know nothing about hip hop. Just so you know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       God damn, Reggie.

   14. RWReggie Watts3:12

       I know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       How do you not know anything about Cypress Hill?

   16. RWReggie Watts3:14

       (laughs) I know, I know. People are always like, "You gotta know about hip hop."

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       Really?

   18. RWReggie Watts3:17

       I'm like, "I know, shit. I know Run-D.M.C."

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       You really don't know any hip hop?

   20. RWReggie Watts3:22

       No, I kinda stopped after the Bohemian phase.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Hmm.

   22. RWReggie Watts3:25

       You know, like, after A Tribe Called Quest and, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       De La Soul.

   24. RWReggie Watts3:28

       ... De La Soul. Like, it just kinda lost me because it then it turned in ... I liked gangster in the beginning, you know, 'cause it was something new and you were like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Right.

   26. RWReggie Watts3:34

       ... "What the fuck is this? Oh, that's so cool." You know? But, uh, then it kind of morphed into club hop where it just was all about bitches and cars and all that shit, and it was really the lyrics. The beats I loved. I thought it was cool, but I just got tired of it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Well, what about, like, Nas?

   28. RWReggie Watts3:46

       I mean, I, because I left in '95-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Hmm. Wow, really?

   30. RWReggie Watts3:50

       (laughs) Like, I left hip hop in '95, '96. And then I know there's plenty of hip hop heads that will be like, "Dude, you gotta check out so and so. You gotta check out, you gotta check-"
4. 5:44 – 6:39

   YouTube strikes, demonetization, and going independent with streaming

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      I wish we could play it on the podcast, but th- then, we can't do that anymore. Back in the day-

   2. RWReggie Watts5:48

      They'd run your jewels, man. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      Yeah, they will run your jewels right out of town. But back in the day when you had, uh, like, the internet was, no one knew what a podcast was, you could do all kinds of shit. You could just play things.

   4. RWReggie Watts5:59

      (coughs) I mean, (coughs) you still can. I mean, if it was livestream you could.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Yeah, but you get, you get taken down. You get demonetized. You get a strike against your channel. If you get three strikes they take your channel down permanently. It's all super sketchy.

   6. RWReggie Watts6:10

      Oh, are you, are you using YouTube?

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:12

      Yes.

   8. RWReggie Watts6:12

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:12

      That's the real problem.

   10. RWReggie Watts6:13

       I've seen it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       YouTube's the real problem.

   12. RWReggie Watts6:14

       I'm a...I'm bypassing all that very soon.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       What are you doing? Going crazy?

   14. RWReggie Watts6:18

       I'm just doing my own live streaming kind of thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       That's smart.

   16. RWReggie Watts6:22

       Yeah, 'cause that way I just don't have to worry about all that bullshit.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Yeah.

   18. RWReggie Watts6:24

       I mean, the thing-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Ultimately that's where it's probably gonna have to go.

   20. RWReggie Watts6:27

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       (coughs)

   22. RWReggie Watts6:28

       But, uh, but at the same time, everybody's at YouTube.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yeah.

   24. RWReggie Watts6:31

       So, so the, the secret is, or the question is, like, how can you-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Well, you could do both.

   26. RWReggie Watts6:37

       How ... Yeah, exactly.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       (coughs) What you could do is-

   28. RWReggie Watts6:38

       I think that that's the way to go.

5. 6:39 – 10:10

   Non-alcohol beer, switchblades, and practical preparedness (glass breakers, water bottles)

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      You want a, a zero, zero alcohol Heineken?

   2. RWReggie Watts6:42

      Are you serious? Yeah, I'll try a zero ... Yeah, 'cause my problem with alcohol is alcohol.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      Yeah.

   4. RWReggie Watts6:46

      So, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:47

      These are actually very good.

   6. RWReggie Watts6:48

      Thanks, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      They taste like a regular Heineken.

   8. RWReggie Watts6:51

      Mm. Check what I've got out. Did you see these? (lighter clicks)

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      What is that?

   10. RWReggie Watts6:56

       It's a Microtech, uh, California legal switchblade.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:02

       What?

   12. RWReggie Watts7:02

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       What are you stabbing people with a tiny knife?

   14. NANarrator7:04

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       What are you doing, Reggie?

   16. RWReggie Watts7:05

       No, I, I li-

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       What the fuck's been going on since I saw you last? (laughs)

   18. RWReggie Watts7:07

       I like it ... Well, I like having a kni- I'm from Montana, you always have a knife.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       Hm.

   20. RWReggie Watts7:11

       You just always have a ... It's like the greatest tool. But, uh, it makes it-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       How's, how's the button go?

   22. RWReggie Watts7:17

       Okay, so hold it the opposite way. Uh, turn it around, flip it around. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Like, on your face?

   24. RWReggie Watts7:21

       And then the button on the top side, see there's like a lever-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       That button? There?

   26. RWReggie Watts7:24

       No. Gotcha.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       This thing here?

   28. RWReggie Watts7:26

       Yeah, that. So, this on the back, this is a glass breaker.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       Okay. A glass breaker?

   30. RWReggie Watts7:31

       Yeah, for like if you're in your car, you know, or whatever, and you needed to break the window. Jesus. Um, but, uh, here's the switch.
6. 10:10 – 14:01

   Food as art: Tom Papa’s bread and Bourdain’s influence

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      You know Fortune Femster? The comedian?

   2. RWReggie Watts10:12

      Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      Really funny.

   4. RWReggie Watts10:13

      She's rad.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:14

      Really funny.

   6. RWReggie Watts10:14

      Yeah, I follow her. She's awesome.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:15

      She had a ... I wish I remember her joke. But she had a funny joke about Mumford and Sons and Mason jars.

   8. RWReggie Watts10:20

      What, really? (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      (laughs)

   10. RWReggie Watts10:21

       Oh, sweet.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       Yeah.

   12. RWReggie Watts10:23

       Oh, that's good. Mumford and Sons Mason jars.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       I think it was like something to, to the, the tune of, you know, she used Mason jars for real, not like the, not like this bullshit.

   14. RWReggie Watts10:32

       Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       She actually grew up poor. I think that was it. I apologize if I'm wrong.

   16. RWReggie Watts10:35

       That was, I mean, that's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       She's very funny though.

   18. RWReggie Watts10:36

       I mean, she is, I mean, she's so rad.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Yeah.

   20. RWReggie Watts10:39

       I saw her in, uh ... Where, where in ... Oh, in Australia, Sydney.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       She's doing a podcast with Tom Papa.

   22. RWReggie Watts10:45

       Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   24. RWReggie Watts10:46

       Who's Tom Papa? Sorry.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       (laughs) How dare you again?

   26. RWReggie Watts10:50

       Sorry, guys.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Tom Papa is a brilliant standup comedian. Really, really funny guy. Super, super nice guy too. And he's the master of bread.

   28. RWReggie Watts10:58

       Bread?

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       He makes bread. Yes.

   30. RWReggie Watts10:59

       Oh, shit.
7. 14:01 – 19:59

   Music as a time-based ‘ghost’ and the neglected art of smell

   1. RWReggie Watts14:01

      ... well, you know in a, in a weird way, um, (smacks lips) or, uh, i- in a weird way music is kind of like that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      If it's not recorded, right?

   3. RWReggie Watts14:09

      Yeah, well, no, I mean, if it is recorded, because you only experience it temporarily, but it exists as a idea in your head, you know?

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:17

      Mm-hmm.

   5. RWReggie Watts14:17

      Like a, like a ghost image of it. But then when you listen listen to it, when you p- press play and you listen to it, it's happening in real time. As soon as you stop it, it's no long- it no longer exists. So you're still just like in the kind of shadow memory of it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:31

      Right, if you're not interve- interacting with it, it doesn't exist.

   7. RWReggie Watts14:34

      Yeah, (laughs) yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:35

      Wow. (smacks lips) Y- yeah. Imagine if there was something like that you could do with smells, right?

   9. RWReggie Watts14:42

      (laughs) Oh, dude.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       'Cause smells-

   11. RWReggie Watts14:42

       Now, that, that's tough.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       ... are the one sense that doesn't get any love. Like your eyes-

   13. RWReggie Watts14:46

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       ... people make all these beautiful things.

   15. RWReggie Watts14:48

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       Right? Your ears, people make beautiful music.

   17. RWReggie Watts14:51

       Yep.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:51

       But you got like perfume, cologne, and f- some fucking flowers. It's all you got.

   19. RWReggie Watts14:55

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       And weird shit-

   21. RWReggie Watts14:56

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       ... like patchouli where they're like, "Settle down."

   23. RWReggie Watts14:58

       (laughs) Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       "Settle down."

   25. RWReggie Watts15:00

       Not champa.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:00

       "Settle down with your wooden, settle down with your wooden beads."

   27. RWReggie Watts15:02

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:02

       "Settle down."

   29. RWReggie Watts15:03

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       "Settle down with your instinct."
8. 19:59 – 26:58

   Whitesnake, 80s sincerity, and how drugs shaped the sound of an era

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      ... if you love Mötley Crüe, you love Mötley Crüe.

   2. RWReggie Watts20:01

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:01

      It's not (laughs) , it's not that there's anything wrong with Mötley Crüe.

   4. RWReggie Watts20:03

      I'm glad you used that example.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      But if you, if you're fucking at home by yourself going, "Girls, girls, girls, yeah!"

   6. RWReggie Watts20:09

      (laughs) If you're loving it, that, th- ... That's art. Like why are we so judgy? Uh, I, I, I do that with Whitesnake all the fucking time, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:17

      (laughs) That's al- ... Uh, I, I've told this story before-

   8. RWReggie Watts20:20

      I love them.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:20

      ... but a dude sent me in a Whitesnake cassette, and, uh, I ca- ... I used to ha- ... It's in the office, because, uh, I had a girlfriend that made me throw it away after I got in a car accident. I had a Whitesnake cassette in my car.

   10. RWReggie Watts20:31

       Oh, what?

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       (laughs)

   12. RWReggie Watts20:32

       Why'd she make you ... Because she thought it was bad juju?

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       She's just ... She's really into telling me what to do.

   14. RWReggie Watts20:35

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       She was, she was older than me.

   16. RWReggie Watts20:37

       Okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       And, um, she, uh, she's ... I was pa- packing up all my stuff 'cause, uh, my car was broken. You know, it got ... I got T-boned.

   18. RWReggie Watts20:44

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       And, uh, as I'm g- grabbing all my stuff, um, she's like, "Leave that." I go, "Leave what?" She's like, "Leave the Whitesnake. It's ... Like, you gotta get over that music."

   20. RWReggie Watts20:52

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:54

       I was like, "Really?"

   22. RWReggie Watts20:55

       Oh, damn.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       She's like, "Yeah, it's terrible music." She was into, like, the Pixies, that kind of shit. I don't even know if the Pixies existed-

   24. RWReggie Watts20:59

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       ... back then. But she was-

   26. RWReggie Watts21:01

       I loved, I loved them too, but I also loved Whitesnake.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       There's a thing that people do though, where they only like things that make them appear smart or interesting. And there's like ... It's like a hustle.

   28. RWReggie Watts21:13

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Like you, you tell people you're really into Indian food and you really ... You might really be, but there's also a thing you're doing, like you're, you're that person that's only into the cool stuff. But, like-

   30. RWReggie Watts21:23

       Yeah.
9. 26:58 – 32:23

   LSD music, Grateful Dead culture, and the ‘chemist on tour’ revelation

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:58

      Well, I don't know this, but that's what everybody's always said about the, the, The Dead and LSD.

   2. RWReggie Watts27:04

      Exactly.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:05

      Yeah, that if you... Like, the people that don't get The Dead (clears throat) , and I'm guilty of being one of those people-

   4. RWReggie Watts27:10

      Yeah, I'm not a huge fan-

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:11

      ... it's because-

   6. RWReggie Watts27:11

      ... but I respect them.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:12

      It's because you haven't listened on LSD. Apparently, according to people that I know-

   8. RWReggie Watts27:17

      I see.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:18

      ... you listen to The Dead on LSD, and you're like, "Oh my God, I get it."

   10. RWReggie Watts27:21

       Oh, I see. I see. Interesting.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       It just, it's, it's LSD music.

   12. RWReggie Watts27:26

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:26

       Like...

   14. RWReggie Watts27:27

       Yeah, totally.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:27

       D- my cousin used to follow them around.

   16. RWReggie Watts27:30

       Really? Okay, yeah, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       She followed them around for, God, I wanna say a couple years, where she was on tour. They would sell, like, bacon and eggs out of the car. She was a total hippie, like a real-

   18. RWReggie Watts27:39

       That's sick.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:40

       ... super legit hippie.

   20. RWReggie Watts27:41

       That's kinda sick.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:42

       But, um-

   22. RWReggie Watts27:42

       That's rare.

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       So I gotta talk to her about, like, the culture. It's like, it's everyone's on acid. They're all doing... (laughs) So, so many of them are doing acid.

   24. RWReggie Watts27:50

       Mushrooms, acid.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:51

       I don't wanna say every one of them, but it's like, it's probably half.

   26. RWReggie Watts27:55

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:55

       Which is crazy for a concert. Imagine going to a concert and half the people are doing mushrooms.

   28. RWReggie Watts28:00

       I know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:00

       Like 100%, 100% of the time, half the pe- I don't know if I'm, that I've, if you're-

   30. RWReggie Watts28:04

       Those are some pros, man. I'll say that.
10. 32:23 – 36:16

    Psychedelics, consciousness theories, and skepticism without experience

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       ... to st- the first guy to stumble on mushrooms. Must have been like, "What the fuck?" Like, mushrooms had to have been, like, relearned at some point in time. There, like, had to be some people that lived in an environment where there was no mushrooms where people didn't get 'em, and then someone found 'em somewhere, but they didn't have any personal knowledge of what it was and tried it and ate it and tripped. That had to have happened.

    2. RWReggie Watts32:41

       Yeah, uh, I mean, I think, you know, it could, it could also be like, "Hey, I'm foraging for blah, blah, blahs."

    3. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       Yeah.

    4. RWReggie Watts32:47

       And because, and, you know, arguably they would say mushrooms were around, like, way, way, way... Some people, you know, not so scientific perhaps, I don't know, or maybe scientific, have surmised that maybe consciousness or self-awareness came from the s- our species running into some kind of a psychedelic event-

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       Yeah.

    6. RWReggie Watts33:04

       ... which caused, like, this hyper self-awareness loop or whatever. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:09

       You know why that one deserves a lot of attention? 'Cause people are so resistant to it. Like, really rational-

    8. RWReggie Watts33:13

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       ... intelligent people are so resistant to it. And, uh, it's almost all the way.

    10. RWReggie Watts33:18

        Resistant to what?

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:18

        To that concept.

    12. RWReggie Watts33:19

        Oh, yes.

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:19

        The concept that maybe, uh, our consciousness was, uh, somehow influenced-

    14. RWReggie Watts33:23

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan33:23

        ... by psychedelics. But to a man, almost to a man, all the, the... Well, I shouldn't say that even. I'm over, over-generalizing, but many of those people have not had psychedelic experiences that dismiss 'em so readily.

    16. RWReggie Watts33:36

        That's true.

    17. JRJoe Rogan33:36

        The people that have had psychedelic experiences that tend to be skeptical or more rational, they wouldn't, they're not gonna have a definitive position on it. They're gonna go, "Well, hmm."

    18. RWReggie Watts33:45

        Yeah, right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:45

        Something to consider.

    20. RWReggie Watts33:46

        It's more measured.

    21. JRJoe Rogan33:47

        Yeah.

    22. RWReggie Watts33:47

        Like... Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:47

        But then there's the hardliners. You know, there's hardliners on both sides. The hardliners who definitely believe that happened and the hardliners who believe that it, that they don't have any positive effects whatsoever.

    24. RWReggie Watts33:56

        Yeah. Yeah, totally.

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:57

        They're, they're both almost equally foolish.

    26. RWReggie Watts33:59

        Exactly. Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:00

        Yeah.

    28. RWReggie Watts34:00

        Yeah, I mean, that's, uh, that's what we're experiencing right now.

    29. JRJoe Rogan34:03

        But at least the people that have experienced it, they know what they're talking about. The people that haven't experienced it and don't think it's worth trying, like, all right.

    30. RWReggie Watts34:09

        Right.
11. 36:16 – 40:30

    Intelligence, ideology, and learning from different kinds of minds

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:16

       Yeah. I think some people have the burden of intelligence. And what I mean by that is that they're really smart and they see a lot of people around them that are silly.

    2. RWReggie Watts36:25

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       And they experience that so often that they get weary and they get, they get, you know, they sort of get rigid in their belief that their opinions are correct because they dismiss most of the people that are around them.

    4. RWReggie Watts36:37

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan36:37

       Because you're around a bunch of dummies.

    6. RWReggie Watts36:38

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan36:38

       If you're a really smart guy or smart girl, it's hard, it's hard to, to maintain a, a good a...... perception of what things are and what things aren't when you're the smartest person in the room. You kinda never wanna be the smartest person in the room.

    8. RWReggie Watts36:51

       Yeah. And also, yes, and also, believing that you are-

    9. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       Yes. (laughs)

    10. RWReggie Watts36:56

        ... in a way, excludes you-

    11. JRJoe Rogan36:58

        Yes.

    12. RWReggie Watts36:58

        ... from including other people who are-

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:00

        Yes.

    14. RWReggie Watts37:00

        ... also smarter than everybody in the room.

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:03

        Well, it's not even, maybe not even smarter, we should say-

    16. RWReggie Watts37:05

        But, but, but I know what you're saying.

    17. JRJoe Rogan37:06

        ... but they're, they're not limited by an ideology. Their, their perspective isn't dimmed.

    18. RWReggie Watts37:09

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan37:10

        Yeah. They're-

    20. RWReggie Watts37:10

        Yes.

    21. JRJoe Rogan37:10

        They, they see things clearly, which is, I think, one of the most underrated forms of intelligence. Like, there's all this intelligence in solving mathematical problems-

    22. RWReggie Watts37:18

        Yeah, right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan37:18

        ... social intelligence, but th- there's, there's, there's a bunch of different kinds of intelligence.

    24. RWReggie Watts37:22

        Absolutely.

    25. JRJoe Rogan37:23

        Being able to see through the bullshit is, is an intelligence. And some people-

    26. RWReggie Watts37:26

        Absolutely.

    27. JRJoe Rogan37:26

        ... just don't have it.

    28. RWReggie Watts37:27

        Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think that, you know, at the same time, wanting to help someone see that angle-

    29. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        Mm-hmm.

    30. RWReggie Watts37:34

        ... is also an important thing. So if you're like a-
12. 40:30 – 55:59

    Environment, capitalism critiques, and why people defend harmful industries

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       S- some people have a lack of cool people around them too, that's a real problem.

    2. RWReggie Watts40:33

       Yes.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:33

       You get stuck in a sh- it's like a good tomato plant is not gonna grow in the fucking Sonora Desert, all right? There's no nutrients there.

    4. RWReggie Watts40:42

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:42

       It's too bright, it's n- the sun's too hot, it's not the right climate.

    6. RWReggie Watts40:46

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:46

       Right?

    8. RWReggie Watts40:47

       Yes.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:47

       If you're stuck in some fucking shithole city and it's just, your whole neighborhood's filled with dummies and there's no prospects and there's fucking lead in the water, you got Flint, Michigan water you're drinking-

    10. RWReggie Watts41:02

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        ... they still haven't fixed that.

    12. RWReggie Watts41:03

        No.

    13. JRJoe Rogan41:04

        People have to drink bottled water in Flint, Michigan.

    14. RWReggie Watts41:06

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:06

        In 2019.

    16. RWReggie Watts41:08

        Yep.

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:09

        Like, how, how are they, do they not have, how did they let that ever get to that point? Like, at all the things you need, well, what do we need to stay alive? Number one, water.

    18. RWReggie Watts41:17

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:17

        Okay, let's ignore that. Let's ignore that and, uh, work on the cracks in the streets. Let's ignore that and, uh, have new, uh, traffic lights that, uh, have cameras on them to bust you so we can get more revenue.

    20. RWReggie Watts41:28

        (laughs) Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:28

        Let's make sure we hire parking ten-... What about the water?

    22. RWReggie Watts41:30

        Uh-

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:30

        We can get to that. We'll get to that in a while later.

    24. RWReggie Watts41:32

        Yeah. Well, it's, it's my new phrase for, uh, you know, our situation, cuz capitalism. Cuz the current version of capitalism.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:41

        Is it capitalism? I don't even... (sighs) I don't-

    26. RWReggie Watts41:44

        Well-

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:44

        ... know enough about economics.

    28. RWReggie Watts41:46

        I mean, I, it's not really, it's more just like a philosophical idea.

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:50

        Right, but can you have capitalism with regulation so that you make sure that there's no pollution, you make sure that people-

    30. RWReggie Watts41:55

        You, yes, of course.
13. 55:59 – 1:25:37

    Human barbarism in history: duels, war fashion, and ‘civil barbarianism’

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:59

       I mean, it was, people were doing duels when they were r... The president was doing duels-

    2. RWReggie Watts56:03

       Oh, that's right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:03

       ... just a couple hundred years ago.

    4. RWReggie Watts56:04

       Yeah, you're right. You're right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:05

       That shit is so recent.

    6. RWReggie Watts56:06

       You're right. Yeah. I mean-

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:07

       Barbaric shit, man. Shooting each other with little f- mini muskets in the fucking street.

    8. RWReggie Watts56:12

       (sighs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:12

       In front of everybody. And you were the president. Is that true? Was there a president that got in a duel? That is true, right?

    10. RWReggie Watts56:18

        I think you're right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        Yeah, I looked it up. It was Andrew Jackson got in like over a hundred duels, I think.

    12. RWReggie Watts56:21

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:21

        But that like-

    14. RWReggie Watts56:22

        What?

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        The duels weren't like that duel type thing. It was really just like a challenge to see if you would show up really and then like-

    16. RWReggie Watts56:28

        Oh, they talked out of it?

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:28

        It was like just a formality. Yeah. It wasn't really like always like someone died in every single one.

    18. RWReggie Watts56:31

        Did he shoot anybody?

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:32

        He did.

    20. RWReggie Watts56:32

        Oh.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:32

        But I think only like one person.

    22. RWReggie Watts56:34

        Oh. Oh, 'cause usually they didn't-

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:35

        I imagine they have a crazy story about it.

    24. RWReggie Watts56:37

        They don't aim at each other. That's what, that's what, that's what I heard that there was like... (laughs) You kind of like aim near them.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:42

        Really?

    26. RWReggie Watts56:42

        Something like that.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:43

        Why?

    28. RWReggie Watts56:43

        Yeah, and that was a way to concede.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:44

        In one duel he got shot, I think in the chest, but he was such a badass he s- he stayed, he like put his hand over it and held it and s- and s... 'Cause his gun jammed when he was supposed to fire so the other guy got him, and then he fixed his gun, shot the guy in the head, and that guy ended up dying.

    30. RWReggie Watts56:59

        Oh!

Episode duration: 2:24:12