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Joe Rogan Experience #1326 - Maynard James Keenan

Maynard James Keenan is a singer, songwriter, producer, winemaker, and actor, best known as the vocalist for Grammy Award-winning rock band Tool, Puscifer, and A Perfect Circle. Look for TOOL's catalog coming to streaming services on August 2 and their new album "FEAR INOCULUM" releases on August 30.

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  1. 0:00 – 1:20

    Falcon-powered pest control in the vineyard (and why birds remember)

    1. JR

      ... young Jamie. (clears throat) Three, two, one. Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite farmer.

    2. MK

      (laughs) Hey.

    3. JR

      You're my, you're my favorite farmer.

    4. MK

      I'm your favorite farmer, excellent.

    5. JR

      Yeah, I don't know that many of them, but you're number one.

    6. MK

      All right.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. MK

      (laughs) I have a feeling that I don't quite farm the things you would rather use.

    9. JR

      What do you mean? Like, marijuana? Is that what you're trying to say?

    10. MK

      I, I wasn't gonna say it, but if you're gonna bring it up...

    11. JR

      Psh, I love wine, dude. Y- You make fucking killer wine.

    12. MK

      Okay.

    13. JR

      I'm, I'm a fan of your wine, so-

    14. MK

      Excellent.

    15. JR

      ... there you go. I have, I have yet to try your food, but I want to. I didn't even know what an osterio was until I talked to you.

    16. MK

      See?

    17. JR

      I didn't know.

    18. MK

      Or that you use falcons to kill birds in your vineyard.

    19. JR

      That fucking thing you sent me is dope as fuck.

    20. MK

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      So you have hired falc- You hired a, a person in-

    22. MK

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... a couple that raises falcons to kill pigeons that are fucking with your food.

    24. MK

      What else? Uh, starlings, sparrows. Anything that's-

    25. JR

      Anytime.

    26. MK

      Anything that's messing with the grapes, they have the, these falcons come through. And, uh, then the thing is, the collective birds in the area will have a memory of that. So, like, if you-

    27. JR

      (laughs) Oh, okay.

    28. MK

      (laughs) ... have this hawk come through the, the vineyard and they just pulverize and there's feathers everywhere, the, the community of birds kinda go-

    29. JR

      Okay.

    30. MK

      ... "I don't think we should go this way. We should go that way."

  2. 1:20 – 3:35

    Venice pigeons, Mongol eagles, and the drone-vs-falcon problem

    1. JR

      I was in Venice recently, last week. I'm still jet-lagged. I'm completely fucked. I haven't slept solid in five whole days. My body does not know what's going on. I'll go to sleep completely exhausted and I wake up two hours later-

    2. MK

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... feeling like shit and I can't go back to sleep.

    4. MK

      Right.

    5. JR

      But when I was in Venice, um, there was a guy with a falcon. He wa- he had a falcon with him. And, uh, and I was like, "Why does this guy have a falcon?" And then the fucking pigeons come in like crazy. And when the guy's there with the falcon, the, the pigeons just ghost. They're gone, they take off. So this guy stands there by the dock in Venice as the gondoliers pull up. And, uh, he's just got this falcon just sitting there to, so that the people can eat their food. The pigeons are insanely aggressive.

    6. MK

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      It's, it's a ridiculous place.

    8. MK

      Until they see.

    9. JR

      They see that falcon.

    10. MK

      Done.

    11. JR

      Fuck this.

    12. MK

      Yes.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. MK

      Correct.

    15. JR

      You ever see videos online where, um, the Mongols use w- uh, they use eagles, golden eagles to hunt for wolves?

    16. MK

      Come on.

    17. JR

      Dude, it's wild. An eagle which weighs, like, what, 15, 20 pounds? They fuck wolves up. They swoop ... These wolves are just running for their life as death swarms down from the sky.

    18. MK

      We were gonna use the, uh, drone to get some footage of the falcons. And we're like ... She's like, "Yeah, that's probably not a good idea." I'm like, "Yeah, 'cause the, the blades." She goes, "No, no, no, your drone 'cause the falcons will go full force into your drone and destroy it."

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. MK

      "So whatever you paid for it, try going to your insurance company and going, 'Hey, my drone broke.' What did you do? 'It flew near a falcon.' They're gonna go, 'Yeah, good luck.'"

    21. JR

      Well, peregrine falcons, don't they go, like, 200 miles an hour?

    22. MK

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      They're the fastest animal on the planet.

    24. MK

      Boom.

    25. JR

      Fu- fuck what?

    26. MK

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      200 miles an hour?

    28. MK

      Yeah, destroy your drone.

    29. JR

      I mean, that doesn't even make sense. What you got ... Oh, this is the Mongols. So look, these dudes run. The wolves are running away. The wolves know the fucking drill too, man. And this eagle just comes down and jacks the wolf. And that's how they skin these wolves. Look at that, two of them. Boom.

    30. MK

      Good God.

  3. 3:35 – 7:51

    Tool announcement: streaming catalog finally goes live

    1. JR

      I hear you got some news.

    2. MK

      Yeah, so I figured, I know there's a lot of, uh, there's probably some Tool fans that are probably tuning to this specifically to hear some news.

    3. JR

      Yeah, that's-

    4. MK

      So rather than being a dick and waiting to the end to tell them, I probably, we should probably tell them upfront.

    5. JR

      Are you, like, softening in your age as, as you get older?

    6. MK

      No, not at all. I just care, I just, I care about the, as long as things have taken for us 'cause we're a very difficult band. We're very stubborn-

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. MK

      ... and we're, you know, we're kind of ignorant to what goes on in the rest of the world. And so people are like, "Guys, come on, guys." (breathes deeply) Uh, and, you know, I mean, to their credit, like, we did, the whole Betamax thing didn't work for us and neither did, uh, LaserDisc. So we have this new thing called digital media and streaming. We're gonna try it out.

    9. JR

      You're gonna stream this stuff-

    10. MK

      It's a new thing, it's a new thing, streaming. Uh, iTunes, Amazon.

    11. JR

      So you can just get it on ... Oh, like Spotify, that kinda deal?

    12. MK

      Yeah, yeah. You heard of it?

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. MK

      It's like just brand new. It's brand new.

    15. JR

      Yeah, it like works on-

    16. MK

      To us.

    17. JR

      ... your phone or something.

    18. MK

      To us, it's brand new.

    19. JR

      What are you doing with it?

    20. MK

      Uh, we're gonna put some songs on it.

    21. JR

      Oh, so you can listen-

    22. MK

      Yes.

    23. JR

      ... when you're not even, like, plugged in anything?

    24. MK

      Correct.

    25. JR

      Wow.

    26. MK

      So here's what I'm gonna do now because this is ... By the time this actually airs, this will have already happened, but you're filming me doing it.

    27. JR

      Right, you're gonna upload a tweet-

    28. MK

      I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a thing.

    29. JR

      ... letting everybody know.

    30. MK

      I'm a, I'm a tweaker.

  4. 7:51 – 9:44

    New album reveal: 'Fear Inoculum' and release timing

    1. MK

      Yeah. Uh, no, I'm gonna announce the name of the s- new album.

    2. JR

      Ooh.

    3. MK

      You like that?

    4. JR

      Yeah, you doing it on your phone first?

    5. MK

      Fear ...

    6. JR

      Of a Black Planet?

    7. MK

      And ... (laughs) No. Fear of a Black Planet.

    8. SP

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      That sounds catchy.

    10. MK

      Uh, Fear Innoculum.

    11. JR

      Fear Innoculum.

    12. MK

      Yeah, a white guy's putting out an album called Fear of a Black Planet-

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. SP

      (laughs)

    15. MK

      ... would fucking really go over well in 2020.

    16. JR

      And yeah, that would be-

    17. MK

      Uh ...

    18. JR

      ... the least woke thing you could do in 2019.

    19. MK

      Yeah, Cowboy Cerrone would buy the first copy.

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. MK

      Uh, Fear Innoculum is the name of the album.

    22. JR

      Ah.

    23. MK

      Fear Innoculum. And that comes out-

    24. JR

      Who'd you say would buy the first album?

    25. MK

      Uh, I'm not gonna say that again.

    26. JR

      I didn't hear what you said.

    27. MK

      I might have said Cowboy Cerrone.

    28. JR

      Cowboy Cerrone?

    29. MK

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Why would you say that?

  5. 9:44 – 12:09

    Arizona rain, fire season, and the humility of natural disasters

    1. JR

      So, how's the wine business?

    2. MK

      Uh, it's good. Uh, we're a little late this year. Um, I think it's about two weeks behind.

    3. JR

      So, I wanted to ask you this because this is something that l- like a lot of people that are dealing with, uh, in the Arizona area, that you guys had a lot of rain, right?

    4. MK

      Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

    5. JR

      Yeah. So, I know like hunters and people that are like into the wildlife and everything like that are really excited about this fall because there's so much moisture. It's likely the- the animal population will be very healthy.

    6. MK

      Uh, yes, and I mean-

    7. JR

      (clears throat)

    8. MK

      ... it- it's, you know, with anything, there's there's always gonna be both sides of that.

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. MK

      With with extra rain in the spring comes extra foliage, extra ground cover, extra grass.

    11. JR

      Right, and they fuck-

    12. MK

      Uh ...

    13. JR

      ... with the root systems.

    14. MK

      No, then it, uh, then there's extra fires.

    15. JR

      Oh.

    16. MK

      Because, because then when the rain dries up you have all this extra-

    17. JR

      Of course.

    18. MK

      ... fuel.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. MK

      Uh, so fires ... There's probably gonna-

    21. JR

      You get a lot of those-

    22. MK

      ... probably gonna be a pretty intense fire season.

    23. JR

      I've been evacuated three times.

    24. MK

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      I got evacuated in October. It came real close, burnt three houses right in front of us. We, we were in the epicenter of that Woosley fire.

    26. MK

      Oh, God.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. MK

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      It was pretty crazy. It's, it's wi- ... But, you know, it sucks and it's terrible, but if you live through it, the thing that it, it lets you know is you're not your shit. You're not your stuff.

    30. MK

      Oh, yeah.

  6. 12:09 – 19:30

    The “reconnection” project: curing polarization without reality-TV toxicity

    1. MK

      Yes.We, we talked a while ago. We were just talking about this, this idea of this, uh, sit-down. Remember I kind of talked about that a little bit?

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. MK

      Trying to figure out how to, like, how to do this. And of course, I'm so busy. Everything that, uh, with what I got going on, I- I would never be able to pull this off.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. MK

      I would never be like, "Hey, I'm gonna be the executive producer on this idea that I had."

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. MK

      Um, so I thought this might be a good forum to go, "Hey, you and I tee ball it up to go, somebody run with this." 'Cause I think it, I think it's something that needs to happen, and we can take about five minutes to riff on what it shouldn't be.

    8. JR

      Okay.

    9. MK

      Right? 'Cause I think that's really the, that's kind of what it, uh, what it comes down to, is trying to make sure that we're not, it just doesn't turn into some other clickbait reality TV show.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. MK

      Right? 'Cause that's not really the point of it.

    12. JR

      So what are you thinking?

    13. MK

      (inhales deeply) Okay. Well-

    14. JR

      (sniffs) .

    15. MK

      ... you and I were discussing, there's like all this stuff going on in the world, everybody's divided and, and freaking out, and, and, uh, going down the, the dopamine rabbit hole of, uh, of, you know, clickbait, and we can talk about that. Um.

    16. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. MK

      I feel like the polarization of everybody, everybody has a position, they're taking up the stance-

    18. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    19. MK

      ... and this cause. Um, and, you know, I get that. And to f- to feel connected, to feel like you're part of a movement, to, uh, for injustice, or whatever-

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. MK

      ... I, I completely get that you need to do that. But I think, at some point, when you start fighting with your neighbor, you start to kind of lose connection. And I think these things, man, these are just, they're a poison, uh, in terms of dividing people, and, and forgetting to have these conversations, uh, openly.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. MK

      So the concept, we're like, we're gonna lay it out. The idea is that we find six different people from completely different backgrounds that have a very strong feeling about something that they feel strongly about. Just something, whatever it is. Um, and we get them on camera, or in writing, whatever. They state their, they state their position. And the idea is to get these people together, with each other, and not find, not talk about what they don't agree on. Find the things they agree on, and just build on the things that they can agree on.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. MK

      And then, at the end of it, we go back and make sure we re-interview them, and the, the in, the way that they went into the thing, whatever their statement was about who they are doesn't change. They, they believe what they believe, but in that, without compromising the core of who they are, they end up finding, in somebody else, an agree to disagree position, where they can actually talk to each other and find out what they do like.

    26. JR

      No, I th- I feel like one-on-one, in person, with no one around, people are much more likely to have those things.

    27. MK

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      The real problem is when it's being projected to the world, and you're looking for likes, and you're looking for people-

    29. MK

      Oh.

    30. JR

      ... to agree, you're looking for support, and that's one of the really toxic things about the phones and social media, is that everybody's playing for likes, and the virtue signaling, and the throwing up the, the flag of, of, of righteousness.

  7. 19:30 – 39:34

    Phones as dopamine machines: addiction parallels, kids, and digital detox

    1. JR

      You have, you have a family, you have young ones.

    2. MK

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      Do you, uh, how do you approach that with the kids?

    4. MK

      Well you can see, you can see the, the fight and the fury and the incrazy, the crazy meltdowns that we have with our five-year-old when we're saying, "It's time to come to dinner. Put your iPad down."

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. MK

      And it's an absolute fucking meltdown.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. MK

      And it's insane.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. MK

      And when we actually get it away from her and we take her away and go, and we have to explain, "Honey, this thing is not your family. We're your family. This thing doesn't care about you. The stuff on the other end of this thing doesn't care about you. We care about you. Let's go-"

    11. JR

      Is she playing games?

    12. MK

      "... let's go get the ducks." And we'll go get the ducks and then within five minutes she's forgotten about the iPad.

    13. JR

      'Cause she's playing with ducks.

    14. MK

      Now she's playing with ducks.

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. MK

      We're in the, you know, we're in the aviary with the finches-

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. MK

      ... and we're out checking the wine or we're checking the ferments or she comes down while we're trying to record music and she's like sitting on the bed listening to what we're doing.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. MK

      She's involved in doing things and she forgets about this and you can't forget about this, I'm telling you. You can do it. (laughs)

    21. JR

      Yes, you can do it.

    22. MK

      I use it for, you know, I use it for business but I try... I got caught up for a while there I would like find a video game on my phone, "Oh, I'm gonna play this video game." Before I knew it I've like spent like 500 bucks on, on the-

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. MK

      ... in-app purchases and shit and like wait a minute, I'm doing the exact same things that I did when I first started the game. It's no different, I just need better armor.

    25. JR

      Those in-app pur-

    26. MK

      And you gotta buy the armor. (laughs)

    27. JR

      Those in-app purchases are the devil.

    28. MK

      Yeah. So I delete, you know, I delete those things 'cause you just get caught up in it. There, you can't-

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. MK

      ... it's, it's something you don't... People don't realize how, and you've probably heard it with a bunch of people in here saying the same thing, like-

  8. 39:34 – 46:44

    Harvest reality: cider-making, fermentation methods, and tasting-room-only releases

    1. MK

      I, I, you know, we've had a lot of friends, musician friends that go, "Yeah, I want to come out, man. I want to work harvest." You really don't.

    2. JR

      No, you don't want to work.

    3. MK

      You really don't want to do that.

    4. JR

      Stop.

    5. MK

      I mean, I want you to, and I can make it a pleasant experience for you. I, I absolutely can. I can make it go fairly seamless. But you're gonna learn some things you didn't know about yourself, fact.

    6. JR

      Well, you have to work hours.

    7. MK

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Real hours.

    9. MK

      Yeah. That's why, that's why we can't go to dinner tonight. We've got apples waiting. I've got... I have some Chardonnay already fermenting and-

    10. JR

      You have apples?

    11. MK

      Yeah, I'm gonna make cider in the morning. That's what we're gonna do.

    12. JR

      So what do you do? You pick the apples now to make cider in the morning?

    13. MK

      Yeah, I have it all... I have about 40 trees. My dad and, uh, Randy, uh, she's kind of in charge of the orchards and vineya-... uh, greenhouses. You saw the... You saw some of the greenhouse footage.

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    15. MK

      Yeah, Randy's doing that. Uh, so my dad and her, uh, picked probably about a half a ton, maybe a ton of apples already off our trees. So when I get back, uh, you know, tonight. I fly back tonight and then, um, in the morning, uh, we're shredding, shredding apples into a bin, like apple sauce, and gonna inoculate it, and uh-

    16. JR

      Inoculate it with what?

    17. MK

      Uh, I have... I already have some Chardonnay that's fermenting, so I'll take like a gallon of, of the Chardonnay and just put it in with the, with the apples, so that it'll just start the fermentation.

    18. JR

      So like bacteria from the Chardonnay?

    19. MK

      Yeast.

    20. JR

      Yeast?

    21. MK

      The yeast is already fermenting, yeah.

    22. JR

      Wow, that's badass.

    23. MK

      Yeah. So I just... I'll inoculate it with something that's already... It's a wild yeast that's already fermenting. And so put it in with those, let it, let it, uh, finish up.

    24. JR

      And do you do this at a stable temperature? Like, does it have to be-

    25. MK

      We'd norm-

    26. JR

      Is there a range?

    27. MK

      ... we normally keep the cider... we've been kind of keeping it like, you know, 70, 68 in a, in a cool room.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. MK

      Not out in the sun hot and not back in the cold, cold, cold room. Kind of, you know, 60... between 65 and 72.

    30. JR

      Like, how much cider will you make with all that e-... How much did you say?

  9. 46:44 – 53:37

    Phoenix/Scottsdale food scene, then a CBD/ibuprofen health detour

    1. JR

      Yeah. That CBD fucking, it saves vacations for me. I don't, I stress out. Like, it, it's, it's, it's ... I think it's one of the best things I've ever tried for anxiety. It's, it's weird. And I didn't even know I had anxiety until I started taking CBD. I take these little jammies. These are, this is, uh, this'll fuck you up though. This is one and one.

    2. MK

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      This is one part CBD, one-

    4. MK

      Don't put this in your butt.

    5. JR

      Yeah, just-

    6. MK

      Do not put this in your butt.

    7. JR

      You can put it in your butt, but you will get n- nervous. You're gonna get paranoid. But it's a, it's a weird, like the CBD/THC high is a different high. Because CBD does something to alleviate anxiety. It sort of just like makes you comfortable with your own demise.

    8. MK

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      It lets you-

    10. MK

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      You, you, the existential angst is the-

    12. MK

      The flames don't seem so hot.

    13. JR

      Yeah. It's all, you're like, "Yeah, we're all gonna die."

    14. MK

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      "Yeah, but right now's, we're not dead. Cool, look at the colors. Let's feel the, feel the warmth of the sun."

    16. MK

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      But this, uh, this is not like fun- this is not functional. Like you don't wanna, I don't do this if I have anything super important to do. But, but just CBD oil.

    18. MK

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      I just find it, it did, puts you in a great place.

    20. MK

      Okay.

    21. JR

      Like it's-

    22. MK

      But internal, not topical.

    23. JR

      Internal.

    24. MK

      Internal.

    25. JR

      Yeah, topical's really good for muscle aches.

    26. MK

      Okay.

    27. JR

      It's really good. Really, the, probably the best thing I've ever found for like a l- alleviating soreness and stiffness and stuff like that.

    28. MK

      'Cause I found, I was, uh, in Europe, all of a sudden discovered that they actually had, uh, ibuprofen like cream to put on-

    29. JR

      Ibuprofen's terrible for you.

    30. MK

      Right.

  10. 53:37 – 55:52

    Too many projects: whiskey collaboration, Puscifer store, and delegation

    1. JR

      Do you fuck with whiskey?

    2. MK

      Yeah, I do. Um, I got a thing, a little collaboration with, uh, with Angel's Envy Bourbon outta Kentucky. They took some of my, uh, my fortified wine barrels and took them and they're finishing one of their ports in one of my barrels.

    3. JR

      Ooh.

    4. MK

      A couple of my barrels, yeah.

    5. JR

      Ooh. So is port the same as whiskey?

    6. MK

      Port, uh, is a fortified wine, uh, from Portugal.

    7. JR

      Right.

    8. MK

      So, uh, you can, can-

    9. JR

      Oh, so they're a whiskey... They're an alcohol company?

    10. MK

      Yes.

    11. JR

      Okay.

    12. MK

      Yeah. So Angel's Envy is- is- is bourbon.

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. MK

      Uh, they do rye and bourbon, uh, in Kentucky and they, and they basically, they have a whole thing about their... Angel's Envy Bourbon is finished in, in port barrels.

    15. JR

      Oh.

    16. MK

      So they'll get... They'll find, you know, uh, they get them from Europe or get them from California where they're, you know, they're a fortified red barrel that's had wine in it. Sweet, rich wine. And they finish the, uh, the- the bourbon in these barrels.

    17. JR

      Mm.

    18. MK

      So now they have some of mine to do a special caduceus collaboration.

    19. JR

      You're one of those people that I talk to that I go, "Where the fuck does he get the time?" 'Cause I do a lot of things. But then I talk to someone like you, I'm like, "No, I don't." No, you do a lot of things.

    20. MK

      Oh, it's- it's organizing, you know, just organizing your time and delegating.

    21. JR

      Yes.

    22. MK

      I mean, 'cause that's really what it is, is when you get... When you're younger, you wanna go, "I did that, I did that. I w- I'm doing that." And then you realize, "I can't do all of that."

    23. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    24. MK

      So, we just, I have friends there, a team of people like, I can't... We have a Puscifer store in Jerome, Arizona. And it has cut and sew, we do, we do printing on shirts. We have a, a barber shop in it. We do a full new and used vinyl-

    25. JR

      Do you have a barber shop?

    26. MK

      ... section. Yeah. Um-

    27. JR

      It's weird for a bald guy.

    28. MK

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      To have a barber shop.

    30. MK

      I don't use it. Um, except for, you know-

  11. 55:52 – 1:08:35

    Training life: jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, hand strength, and mat-borne infections

    1. JR

      Did you just... You do that and you do jujitsu too?

    2. MK

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      How?

    4. MK

      Well-

    5. JR

      How?

    6. MK

      ... here's the thing. I do jujitsu, I just don't do it very well.

    7. JR

      Ah.

    8. MK

      Because I don't focus on it all day.

    9. JR

      Well, yeah.

    10. MK

      I've, I've learned about jujitsu over the years. And now I'm doing a little bit of Muay Thai. I'm, I suck at that too, but I'm doing some. I bought a bag.

    11. JR

      Yeah?

    12. MK

      Some gloves.

    13. JR

      What kind of bag?

    14. MK

      Uh, the, uh, the Fairplay?

    15. JR

      Fairtex?

    16. MK

      Fairtex, yeah.

    17. JR

      That's a good bag for you. Especially since you've had some hi- hip issues because it's a very l- it's, uh, it doesn't, it's not hard.

    18. MK

      Okay.

    19. JR

      It's a good bag to hit. I've got a couple different bags out there. One of them-

    20. MK

      That tall one though is the one I want to have.

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. MK

      Because I got the shorter, fat one.

    23. JR

      Right. Yeah.

    24. MK

      It seems pretty heavy.

    25. JR

      Yeah, that's a different one.

    26. MK

      And then the ball.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm. The ball's good. Yeah. The ball's great.

    28. MK

      And the sack.

    29. JR

      Yeah, the sack one-

    30. MK

      Yeah.

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