Joe Rogan Experience #1326 - Maynard James Keenan

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... young Jamie. (clears throat)…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... young Jamie. (clears throat) Three, two, one. Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite farmer.

   2. MKMaynard James Keenan0:05

      (laughs) Hey.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      You're my, you're my favorite farmer.

   4. MKMaynard James Keenan0:09

      I'm your favorite farmer, excellent.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Yeah, I don't know that many of them, but you're number one.

   6. MKMaynard James Keenan0:13

      All right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   8. MKMaynard James Keenan0:15

      (laughs) I have a feeling that I don't quite farm the things you would rather use.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What do you mean? Like, marijuana? Is that what you're trying to say?

   10. MKMaynard James Keenan0:21

       I, I wasn't gonna say it, but if you're gonna bring it up...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Psh, I love wine, dude. Y- You make fucking killer wine.

   12. MKMaynard James Keenan0:26

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I'm, I'm a fan of your wine, so-

   14. MKMaynard James Keenan0:28

       Excellent.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       ... there you go. I have, I have yet to try your food, but I want to. I didn't even know what an osterio was until I talked to you.

   16. MKMaynard James Keenan0:34

       See?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       I didn't know.

   18. MKMaynard James Keenan0:36

       Or that you use falcons to kill birds in your vineyard.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       That fucking thing you sent me is dope as fuck.

   20. MKMaynard James Keenan0:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       So you have hired falc- You hired a, a person in-

   22. MKMaynard James Keenan0:44

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... a couple that raises falcons to kill pigeons that are fucking with your food.

   24. MKMaynard James Keenan0:48

       What else? Uh, starlings, sparrows. Anything that's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Anytime.

   26. MKMaynard James Keenan0:51

       Anything that's messing with the grapes, they have the, these falcons come through. And, uh, then the thing is, the collective birds in the area will have a memory of that. So, like, if you-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       (laughs) Oh, okay.

   28. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00

       (laughs) ... have this hawk come through the, the vineyard and they just pulverize and there's feathers everywhere, the, the community of birds kinda go-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Okay.

   30. MKMaynard James Keenan1:10

       ... "I don't think we should go this way. We should go that way."
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      th- I feel like one-on-one, in person, with no one around, people are much more likely to have those things.

   2. MKMaynard James Keenan15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      The real problem is when it's being projected to the world, and you're looking for likes, and you're looking for people-

   4. MKMaynard James Keenan15:12

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... to agree, you're looking for support, and that's one of the really toxic things about the phones and social media, is that everybody's playing for likes, and the virtue signaling, and the throwing up the, the flag of, of, of righteousness.

   6. MKMaynard James Keenan15:26

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      It's, it's so common.

   8. MKMaynard James Keenan15:27

      And I, I'm just talking to a friend of mine, she's, uh, working with a young woman, doing a, uh, research paper on the very thing, and she kind of handed me some, some research, uh, that kind of, I kind of suspected, and I was like, "What about this, this, and this?" And kind of, not, uh, not off-topic, but kind of on-topic, uh, the purpose, when OxyContin first came out, was that they'd discovered, in that drug, something that interrupted and helped fix people who were, you know, meth/heroin addicts. It was helping them get sober and getting off the heroin, because it replaced that feeling that they were getting, the dopamine, womb-like feeling-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      Mm-hmm.

   10. MKMaynard James Keenan16:09

       ... uh, that escapist thing, uh, that they were getting from heroin. So they would get, you know, use the OxyContin. (laughs) The problem is that, unless you cut your hands off, you can't, you're gonna take another one. So more than-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Right.

   12. MKMaynard James Keenan16:22

       ... (laughs) you know, everybody's getting used to- So you just replaced the heroin with another thing that's like the dopamine dump, um, and this is, they're now finding that that whole process of likes and, uh, uh, m- uh, you know, validating or not validating, you know, that you get depressed 'cause nobody likes your post, and you're c- concerned with liking a rat, you know, basically the analogy of the, of the rat in the aquarium that's, keeps hitting the cocaine button.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Yeah.

   14. MKMaynard James Keenan16:51

       It's the same thing. It affects the same part of your brain, um, and they're finding there's that absolute connection. So if you can't go 10 minutes without looking at your phone, you are an addict.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Yes.

   16. MKMaynard James Keenan17:03

       You have to understand that the actual chemical reaction in your body to the, to the charge you get on that, and the fact that it's fed by adjusted titles, whatever the headline is, if that's not getting it, they adjust the headline to see if it gets you now, and then you click on it, "Oh, that's the one," and then they adjust that one, and it's the, it's the rat hitting the cocaine button.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       Well, I'm glad you used that analogy, because one of the things they found out about that, because some biologists didn't like the, they didn't, it didn't jive with them, the rats with the cocaine. So then, they thought about the environment that the rats lived in, and they said, "Well, let's look at this environment," 'cause these rats are in a cage. "This is a very unnatural environment. There's lights on. There's people staring at them." So instead, they put rats in a very rat-like environment, woody and grass and trees, and, uh, you know, a natural rat world.

   18. MKMaynard James Keenan17:54

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Guess what? Rats didn't fuck with the coke. They left it alone.

   20. MKMaynard James Keenan17:57

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       They only hit the coke when they were just destroyed. Like, their life was-

   22. MKMaynard James Keenan18:03

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       ... top, turned upside-down, and they're living in this completely unnatural environment. They're living in prison.

   24. MKMaynard James Keenan18:08

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       So when you're in prison, you'll do the coke. But when they were in a very natural world, they didn't find it attractive at all.

   26. MKMaynard James Keenan18:15

       Okay. So on that note-... I would suggest, uh, just the people who have now have read those things that I put up about the new album and everything. So I'm gonna request, I'm gonna beg people who have seen it now, I'm not sure where this is going live if it's going, you know, tonight it's gonna go up-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       A couple of hours from now.

   28. MKMaynard James Keenan18:32

       ... or it's gonna go tomorrow. Okay, great. I'm gonna beg as a favor to you and to me, uh, for people who read that news and are excited about that news, to do us all a favor. Turn your fucking phone off, turn your computer off, turn your TV off. Go for a long walk. Just go for a long walk somewhere even if it's in the mall or whatever, just go somewhere else. Go out. Go talk to a stranger and just find out something about them. No matter what it is, just go talk to somebody. Just get, go out of your house and go have a conversation with somebody.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:10

       You're gonna get people stabbed. (laughs)

   30. MKMaynard James Keenan19:11

       Yeah, probably. Um, please don't-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Ah, it would come…

   1. MKMaynard James Keenan30:00

      uh, out of his mind.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Ah, it would come out by now.

   3. MKMaynard James Keenan30:02

      Oh, okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      The worst thing he does, he seems to like to fuck young pretty girls.

   5. MKMaynard James Keenan30:06

      Hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Which is weird.

   7. MKMaynard James Keenan30:07

      Yeah. Uh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      (laughs)

   9. MKMaynard James Keenan30:09

      I just, I feel like, I feel like that, that poison of, of the attention is, is kinda like that, it's like that dopamine dump.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Yeah.

   11. MKMaynard James Keenan30:17

       It's the same thing, it's the likes, the like buttons. Right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       Well, it's one of the things that I really admire about your choices, that you decided to get the fuck out of the, the epicenter.

   13. MKMaynard James Keenan30:25

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       You're like, this is just too much gravity.

   15. MKMaynard James Keenan30:27

       Yeah, there's too much. There's too much. Um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       And just-

   17. MKMaynard James Keenan30:31

       It's wonderful.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       ... that's ... And also, like, the, the decision to start a winery and to, like ... What you've done is kind of gone to the earth. I mean, uh, I mean it sounds corny, but really what you've done is that. I mean, y- obviously you have a very sophisticated farm system and you, you know, you have acres and acres of vineyards, but what you're doing is the earth. You're growing ... You're, you're a part of nature. And I think that grounding in nature in, in that way that you're doing it is a perfect anecdote for, like, this rock star life, which is all-

   19. MKMaynard James Keenan31:05

       But, I mean, you know-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       ... chaos.

   21. MKMaynard James Keenan31:07

       ... that's, that's a byproduct, uh, I think, for me. But as far as the community, I'm finding that that core of, of the greenhouses and, um, you know, growing, growing vines, it's actually ... kind of feeds into what we're talking about as far as the conversation because I talk to, I talk to batshit Portlandia types. I tal- ... You know, I talk-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Mm-hmm.

   23. MKMaynard James Keenan31:28

       ... to crystal clutchers. I talk to-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       (laughs)

   25. MKMaynard James Keenan31:30

       ... staunch Republicans that, you know, look at me like I'm gonna start trouble no matter what.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       (laughs)

   27. MKMaynard James Keenan31:35

       You know. But I can actually talk to everybody because we're, we're growing things and we're building a small ... We're building our community. So as far as politicians are concerned, the ones higher up, they got there by being really good con men and liars, I feel like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MKMaynard James Keenan31:51

       ... uh, in general. That's what we see. But down, you know, at this level, at the local level, you're just trying to figure out simple problems that you're trying to solve within your state, within your county, within your town. Those politicians are ... You know, you gotta work with them, but they're less crazy. They're less, um, owned.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       Mm-hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   That is a fact,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      in other cities and gone to Scottsdale.

   2. MKMaynard James Keenan45:02

      That is a fact, yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      It's a weird place. I've always found it real weird.

   4. MKMaynard James Keenan45:06

      Yeah. Yeah, I've found, we had a, we had, we had some decent success up in the Valley, like with the vibe that we got with the farms, you know, farm to table, not just any farm, our farms to your-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Mm-hmm.

   6. MKMaynard James Keenan45:14

      ... table, uh, vibe. And the, you know, our vines to your glass, uh, scenario. But it's funny (laughs) down in Scottsdale, like, "Okay, this is gonna go. We did it." And we're like, "We're gonna need more makeup."

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      (laughs)

   8. MKMaynard James Keenan45:27

      "I'm gonna need implants on this."

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

   10. MKMaynard James Keenan45:30

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       There's a, it's a weird party town in that way.

   12. MKMaynard James Keenan45:33

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       It's like a lot of really pretty women, but the specific kinda pretty, like porn star pretty.

   14. MKMaynard James Keenan45:38

       The, the dudes are super pretty, too, though.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       They're pretty, too.

   16. MKMaynard James Keenan45:40

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Yeah. Handsome, spiked hair. Oh, yeah.

   18. MKMaynard James Keenan45:43

       Oh, yeah. They got the f-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Tan, jacked and tan.

   20. MKMaynard James Keenan45:45

       Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       (laughs)

   22. MKMaynard James Keenan45:46

       You guys tan any good? You should check into it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Motorcycles, no helmet. Living on the edge.

   24. MKMaynard James Keenan45:52

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       Go out on the mountain.

   26. MKMaynard James Keenan45:53

       Yes, I mean, if you're gonna be in Scottsdale, it's a great location. But there's so many, there's so many great, uh, chefs and restaurants in the-

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       Yeah.

   28. MKMaynard James Keenan46:00

       ... in that, in that area. Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       There really are, it's-

   30. MKMaynard James Keenan46:02

       ... in downtown. And if you're gonna be at Comerica, you're, you're right by Bianco's. You gotta go to Bianco's.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:53

   No. …

   1. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:00

      you know, I'm supposed to be like in a Camaro doing that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      No.

   3. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:02

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Not anymore.

   5. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:03

      Not anymore.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Those guys are dead.

   7. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:05

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Oh, Jesus. It goes to 322?

   9. SPSpeaker1:00:07

      Yeah. They added these.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

       Oh, my God, 365?

   11. SPSpeaker1:00:09

       Yeah, only like five people in the world have ever done these down here.

   12. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:12

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       That is so crazy.

   14. SPSpeaker1:00:14

       At least that's according to what I was reading about.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       Damn.

   16. SPSpeaker1:00:15

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       I've got the 140 pound one.

   18. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:18

       That's nuts. So, how far down do I go? Let's see where-

   19. SPSpeaker1:00:21

       Start with the 60.

   20. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:22

       Let me see. Let me see.

   21. SPSpeaker1:00:22

       You're fine. Start with the 60. It's better on here.

   22. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:23

       You sure?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       Yeah, start with the 60 though.

   24. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:26

       I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       But I mean, it just, you want reps.

   26. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:27

       Have you met me?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       You want reps.

   28. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:29

       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Like you just want to be simple to sit around. The idea is that-

   30. MKMaynard James Keenan1:00:31

       Do they have like a 10? Just kidding.

Episode duration: 1:42:38