Joe Rogan Experience #1327 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom. Boom. Boom. What's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Boom. Boom. Boom. What's happening, brother? How are you?

   2. MBMike Baker0:05

      How you doing, man?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      What's cracking?

   4. MBMike Baker0:06

      It's good to be back. Good to be back.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you.

   6. MBMike Baker0:07

      This place is always amazing. It's like a, it's a, it's like a little... It's a, it's a bit of an amusement park almost now-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Yeah.

   8. MBMike Baker0:13

      ... with stuff to see and the, and the gym equipment and everything. I keep thinking I should just bring my gear over and work out-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   10. MBMike Baker0:18

       ... before the show or after the show, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Get loose.

   12. MBMike Baker0:20

       ... I don't want to embarrass myself, so...

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       You wouldn't embarrass yourself.

   14. MBMike Baker0:23

       Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       I won't... I'm not gonna watch.

   16. MBMike Baker0:24

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       I'm not gonna watch you work out.

   18. MBMike Baker0:26

       He would. He would. Jamie's that kind of guy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Okay. Yeah.

   20. MBMike Baker0:29

       Yeah. I've seen him give me side-eye.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       He would give you side-eye. (laughs)

   22. MBMike Baker0:32

       Yeah. So... Uh, but no, thank you. It's... Yeah, it's all good. Everything's, everything's good. I've been traveling a lot. Haven't, uh... We just talked before we started about Idaho. Haven't had a chance to get back there, but, uh, yeah, all good. All good.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       So you're around for a television show? Is that what you're doing?

   24. MBMike Baker0:45

       Um, yeah, this is, this is... Uh, there's a... There's several meetings going on here, but we just finished, uh, uh, filming f- uh, a show, a reality show, um, for, uh... Can I say the network? I... Uh, well, th- they're kind of hinky on until we get closer to the air date, which is October. Um, but it's for the Discovery Network, and it's gonna be, it's gonna be a great show that I, that I'm hosting.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Why are they not wanting you to say the name?

   26. MBMike Baker1:08

       Well, you know what? That's what I always thought. I always thought free publicity is a good thing. Um, but they're very tight on the marketing, uh, protocols.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Mm-hmm.

   28. MBMike Baker1:15

       And so they want to make sure they've got it all buttoned up. And I get that, right? They spend, you know, a lot of money on these things and so...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Fucking control freaks.

   30. MBMike Baker1:21

       Yeah. And so anyway, it's... But it's gonna be a great, uh, a great show. We spent the past three or four months, um, uh, filming it around the country, a really good production team. And, uh, the stories are fantastic. It's basically looking at... I guess I'm talking about it now. I'm not supposed to. But they're, we're looking at, um, uh, military government organizations that are typically in the shadows, right? We're not releasing any sources and methods. We're not disclosing any classified secrets, but we're talking about elements and units, operational activity, um, events that, uh, before now have pretty much been in the shadows, and some incredible people. That's one of the best parts about this thing, has been going out there and meeting some of these guys that are doing some of this high-speed shit. And it's, it's pretty amazing, and...
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      the way you calculate accuracy with archery is you, you have a rangefinder and that rangefinder has, uh, a built-in adjustments for angle.

   2. MBMike Baker15:10

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      There's angle compensation for up or for down but I don't know if it has it for straight up in the air. Like, 'cause you gotta think the way you, you're judging how much an arrow is gonna drop over the course of the flight.

   4. MBMike Baker15:22

      Right, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Right, r- r- same as a bullet too.

   6. MBMike Baker15:23

      Right, same as a bullet too. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Yeah.

   8. MBMike Baker15:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Right.

   10. MBMike Baker15:25

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       But with a bullet obviously, there's less compensation because it's put out much faster but, um, there's a video that's hilarious of this guy, uh, got tired of this s- block party in Brazil so he loaded up a drone filled with fireworks and, uh-

   12. MBMike Baker15:41

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... he hovered it over the block party and started launching bottle rockets down on these guys that are, uh, making too much noise.

   14. MBMike Baker15:49

       (laughs) That's excellent though. I mean, if you think about it, that sounds like something one of my boys would do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Right.

   16. MBMike Baker15:53

       Um, and, and I'm sure they'll be listening to this at some point so they, I'm, th- they, they're going to do this.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Taking notes.

   18. MBMike Baker15:57

       Yeah, Scooter, Sluggo and Mugsy but, uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       'Cause when you have a kid named Sluggo or Mugsy or Scooter, guarantee they're gonna do something like that.

   20. MBMike Baker16:03

       They're gonna do something like that, yeah. Yeah. Scooter was just-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Did you think of that when you were naming your kids?

   22. MBMike Baker16:07

       (laughs) I didn't. No. No, it didn't occur to me. It didn't occur to me. Although I wanted to get-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Shoulda named him Eugene or something.

   24. MBMike Baker16:12

       I want to ... (laughs) Eugene?

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Eugene.

   26. MBMike Baker16:14

       I wanted to give him flat tops, right? Every summer I want-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Wow.

   28. MBMike Baker16:17

       I had the same discussion with, with, uh, with my wife who's the world's greatest person. Uh, I wanted to, uh, give them flat tops and she always says, "Look, uh, with names like Scooter, Sluggo and Mugsy, you give them a flat top as well, then that's it."

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       (laughs)

   30. MBMike Baker16:28

       That's (laughs) yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, yeah. (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      No, no military at all. We're gonna focus on ourselves.

   2. MBMike Baker30:03

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Well, good fucking luck with that. That doesn't work, so the question is like, how much money should you spend on the military? How much money should you spend on counterintelligence? How much money should you spend on propaganda? I mean-

   4. MBMike Baker30:14

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      ... there should be some money spent on propaganda overseas, right?

   6. MBMike Baker30:17

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      'Cause we're, we're trying to manipulate them the way they're trying to manipulate us. The idea though is that we're America, we're nice, we're the good guys. We're doing it the right way, supposedly.

   8. MBMike Baker30:27

      Yeah, well, there-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      That's what we'd like to believe.

   10. MBMike Baker30:28

       ... is that. Right, there is that and there... And you know what? Honestly, I, I'll be honest with you, I, I've always... You know, like, maybe I'm naive or whatever, but that was always my thought process.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Me too.

   12. MBMike Baker30:38

       And, you know, when we're out there in the operational world and you think, "You know what? Okay-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       See?

   14. MBMike Baker30:41

       ... we're doing this, but we're doing it for the right reason." And-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       You see this?

   16. MBMike Baker30:43

       People laugh at that or whatever, but you know...

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       This is my phone. So-

   18. MBMike Baker30:48

       There you go, look at that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       ... you got it? See that flag? See all the white-

   20. MBMike Baker30:50

       Look at that, long mayo wave.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       That's how I-

   22. MBMike Baker30:51

       Ugh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       When I open up my phone, the flag waves at me.

   24. MBMike Baker30:54

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       I got a flag behind me.

   26. MBMike Baker30:55

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       I'm 100% pro-America.

   28. MBMike Baker30:57

       What have I got? I open up my phone and-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       We like to think-

   30. MBMike Baker30:59

       You know what I got? I got, I got nothing. (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      drug gr- uh, gr- drug, marijuana growing, um, these establishments in public lands, in national parks. So these guys that were supposed to be just catching people with too many trout on their stringer are now being forced to stop illegal grow ops.

   2. MBMike Baker45:18

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      And it's all cartel members. And what he's saying is that 80 to 90% of all of the marijuana that gets sold illegally in this country, in the Midwest-

   4. MBMike Baker45:28

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      ... and all these different places where it's illegal, is coming out of these grow ops. And a lot of it is tainted with dangerous pesticides because these guys are trying to... they're, they're actually using poisons to keep animals from eating the marijuana.

   6. MBMike Baker45:40

      Mm-hmm. Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      And so these kids that are bu- or who the fuck is buying it? They're buying this pot from these illegal places. No one's testing this stuff. You don't know what the fuck you're getting-

   8. MBMike Baker45:48

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:48

      ... and you very well bl- could be smoking pot that's poisoning you.

   10. MBMike Baker45:51

       Yeah, there's uh, a, a guy that I know, a v- really good guy, he's a, he's a huge landowner h- here in California, uh, to the point where you can spend all day on an ATV and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Mm-hmm.

   12. MBMike Baker46:00

       ... and still not, you know, get to the end of one of his, uh, plots of land. I don't know if you call it a plot of land. And anyway, he's had those, uh, incidents, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yes.

   14. MBMike Baker46:09

       He's had where they... it's such a massive, uh, piece of property that, uh, a, a, you know, small element from a cartel will set up a grow spot there. And, you know, they'll camouflage it. It's very well done.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       Yeah.

   16. MBMike Baker46:22

       Uh, they, you know, bring in the piping for the water 'cause it, w- pot uses a huge amount of water, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       This guy was talking about-

   18. MBMike Baker46:28

       And-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       ... water that they brought in, they had a pipe that went for three miles.

   20. MBMike Baker46:31

       Yeah. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       These kids carried it in on their back.

   22. MBMike Baker46:32

       Yeah, that's what they, that's what these guys do. And then, and then eventually, you know, you gotta go in there and, and bust it up, but it's, it's people that stumble across it that, you know, uh, that are just out there doing their regular ranching job. And, and it, it's, it's, it is fascinating. I, look, I, I don't know, um...

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       I feel like we should take those guys and reprogram them. You get a guy who's willing to carry 100 pounds of piping on his back and walk eight-

   24. MBMike Baker46:54

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:55

       ... miles into the backwoods, that's a fucking industrious individual.

   26. MBMike Baker46:57

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       You gotta, you gotta lure him away from the cartel with a better deal.

   28. MBMike Baker47:01

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       If that guy worked for a, a, a competing corporation, he'd be like, "Look, I like the way you do business." Like-

   30. MBMike Baker47:07

       Right. Give him a job on the ranch, you know, give him a j-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:13

   Write it down. …

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:00

      this down. I'm gonna write it down.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      Write it down.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:01

      Um, there is no-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Nothing creepy.

   5. MBMike Baker1:00:03

      No creepy shit going on.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Speaking of creepy, what's going on with, uh, Iran caught a bunch of people that they are claiming are CIA informants-

   7. MBMike Baker1:00:10

      Oh, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      ... and they may execute them?

   9. MBMike Baker1:00:12

      Yeah. Yeah, they've done this before. They've made this claim before, um, and... Look, Iran is, uh... Hey, there're a couple of parts to this. Um, that's one of the heaviest lifts in the business, has been intel collection on Iran over the years. I'm not talking about just recently, but over the years it's been, it's been very difficult. Um, they are extremely buttoned up over there, and they have, uh, an incredible level of, of control over their population. Uh, and that which is, you know, at some point you would think, "Well, maybe the population is gonna object to this," but, you know, it hasn't happened yet. Um, so part of it is, they came out with this, uh, I think it's 17 individuals that they claim were cooperating with the CIA in some fashion or another. And they, you know, they claimed that they were fairly high level individuals, um-... the IFA, uh, uh, I don't believe a- anything that comes outta their mouths. I don't believe them at all. I think they've, they've, they've got a long, long track record of, of lying about a variety of things. And so, you know, why would they come out with this? Um, you know, perhaps they're cracking down, and it, it doesn't hurt to come out. And if you're going after some of these individuals anyway, why not? Put them, put the paintbrush on them that they're working for the CIA, right? And, and that will appease some of the population there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MBMike Baker1:01:26

       Um, so I don't know. I, I'm, again, I'm not buying it. Um, it has been a difficult intel task and, and collecting intelligence on, on their efforts with, uh, with their ballistic missiles, their nuke program as well, uh, has always been, has always been problematic. But again, they've, they've done this before where they've talked about how we've wrapped up a CIA spying network.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Mm-hmm.

   13. MBMike Baker1:01:46

       And it's, it's kinda horse shit. It's happened.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       But it's just their propaganda-

   15. MBMike Baker1:01:50

       I think, well, yeah. I mean, again, like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       ... in some ways.

   17. MBMike Baker1:01:51

       You know, I, uh, yeah. I, that, that would be my take on it. I don't know what, I mean, I'm not, I'm not-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:56

       Right.

   19. MBMike Baker1:01:56

       ... internal, I'm not inside. And, and so, you know, is it possible? Sure. We've had, uh, we've had networks wrapped up before by other countries. Cuba, the Cuban intel service years ago, right, which was completely built by the Russians, by the way, by the old KGB. They, they owned and operated the Cuban intel service for a long time. Still do. Um, they, at one point, wrapped up pretty much everybody we had on island, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

       Mm-hmm.

   21. MBMike Baker1:02:20

       Um, and, and elsewhere.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

       So how many people did we have over there?

   23. MBMike Baker1:02:23

       Um, uh, three. Um, no. We, we had, uh, you know, I don't, I don't remember-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

       A few?

   25. MBMike Baker1:02:28

       ... the numbers. But it was a, it was-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

       More than one?

   27. MBMike Baker1:02:29

       ... few. Yeah, let's just say it was, it was, it was not good. And they, they, they had done a very good ... It was from a, from a counterintelligence perspective, it was a, a pretty impressive effort. So it's happened. Uh, Russia's, you know, uh, done the same when we've ... Usually when, with Russia, usually when we've got a, a traitor or a g- mole, you know, somebody like Robert Hanssen, um, uh, Jim Nicholson, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

       I've never seen that show-

   29. MBMike Baker1:02:50

       ... and Edley-Edley Howard.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

       ... The Americans.

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