Joe Rogan Experience #1327 - Mike Baker

1. 0:01 – 2:05

   Mike Baker returns: new Discovery show on shadow military/government units

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Boom. Boom. Boom. What's happening, brother? How are you?

   2. MBMike Baker0:05

      How you doing, man?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      What's cracking?

   4. MBMike Baker0:06

      It's good to be back. Good to be back.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you.

   6. MBMike Baker0:07

      This place is always amazing. It's like a, it's a, it's like a little... It's a, it's a bit of an amusement park almost now-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Yeah.

   8. MBMike Baker0:13

      ... with stuff to see and the, and the gym equipment and everything. I keep thinking I should just bring my gear over and work out-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   10. MBMike Baker0:18

       ... before the show or after the show, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Get loose.

   12. MBMike Baker0:20

       ... I don't want to embarrass myself, so...

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       You wouldn't embarrass yourself.

   14. MBMike Baker0:23

       Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       I won't... I'm not gonna watch.

   16. MBMike Baker0:24

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       I'm not gonna watch you work out.

   18. MBMike Baker0:26

       He would. He would. Jamie's that kind of guy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Okay. Yeah.

   20. MBMike Baker0:29

       Yeah. I've seen him give me side-eye.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       He would give you side-eye. (laughs)

   22. MBMike Baker0:32

       Yeah. So... Uh, but no, thank you. It's... Yeah, it's all good. Everything's, everything's good. I've been traveling a lot. Haven't, uh... We just talked before we started about Idaho. Haven't had a chance to get back there, but, uh, yeah, all good. All good.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       So you're around for a television show? Is that what you're doing?

   24. MBMike Baker0:45

       Um, yeah, this is, this is... Uh, there's a... There's several meetings going on here, but we just finished, uh, uh, filming f- uh, a show, a reality show, um, for, uh... Can I say the network? I... Uh, well, th- they're kind of hinky on until we get closer to the air date, which is October. Um, but it's for the Discovery Network, and it's gonna be, it's gonna be a great show that I, that I'm hosting.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Why are they not wanting you to say the name?

   26. MBMike Baker1:08

       Well, you know what? That's what I always thought. I always thought free publicity is a good thing. Um, but they're very tight on the marketing, uh, protocols.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Mm-hmm.

   28. MBMike Baker1:15

       And so they want to make sure they've got it all buttoned up. And I get that, right? They spend, you know, a lot of money on these things and so...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Fucking control freaks.

   30. MBMike Baker1:21

       Yeah. And so anyway, it's... But it's gonna be a great, uh, a great show. We spent the past three or four months, um, uh, filming it around the country, a really good production team. And, uh, the stories are fantastic. It's basically looking at... I guess I'm talking about it now. I'm not supposed to. But they're, we're looking at, um, uh, military government organizations that are typically in the shadows, right? We're not releasing any sources and methods. We're not disclosing any classified secrets, but we're talking about elements and units, operational activity, um, events that, uh, before now have pretty much been in the shadows, and some incredible people. That's one of the best parts about this thing, has been going out there and meeting some of these guys that are doing some of this high-speed shit. And it's, it's pretty amazing, and...

2. 2:05 – 4:19

   FOIA delays, CIA ‘Q-branch’ tech, and the reality of secret capabilities

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      When, when they do release things, like long, long after, like I was reading something, uh, I forget what the case was about, but it was something about how the, the files won't be released under the Freedom of Information Act until 2080.

   2. MBMike Baker2:19

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      Like, how do you...

   4. MBMike Baker2:22

      Yeah, I know. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      What do they... How do they make that disti-... Like, that was the thing-

   6. MBMike Baker2:25

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      ... with the Kennedy assassination, right?

   8. MBMike Baker2:26

      And sometimes they roll it over and it's not even then, right? So sometimes they extend that. Um, other times they don't. And, and so some information comes to light periodically. Um, and so this does look at the... This, this show will be looking at some historic, but a lot of current things that are going on and, and where the money goes, right? What are we spending our money on when it comes to these high-speed operations that special forces and others are, are involved in? Um, so it'll be, it'll be very good. I was, I was lucky to be able to work with, again, you know, some really great people on the production side, but just also going out there and meeting some of these cats. They're just... Uh, the, the, the shit that they do is, is, is... Even after being around a while as I have, um, it just amazes me. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      Well, it's got to be constantly accelerating too, right? There's... They're constantly coming up with new and spectacular things that nobody knows about-

   10. MBMike Baker3:14

       Yeah. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       ... until they employ them.

   12. MBMike Baker3:16

       Right. Exac- And sometimes the, the, the shit stays on the shelf, right? You know? You... The... It was like the, the running joke at the agency, at the, at the CIA was, you know, they... We have a fantastic S&T group, a science and technology group, and they're the ones responsible. They're like Q, uh, from, from Bond, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Mm-hmm.

   14. MBMike Baker3:30

       They're the ones responsible for developing all the gear, uh, responding to specific operational requirements. How are we going to do this particular thing? Well, let's develop a piece of kit that's going to allow us to do it. Um, but the running joke is always that, you know, they'll develop it and they'll show it to you before an operation, but then they'll put it back on the shelf because they don't want that shit getting out there, right, and people finding out that they've got it. So they'll give you like a, a, a, a 20-year-old piece of kit to use instead, and you'll be walking around with like a phone the size of a brick, um, knowing that they've got something high speed on the shelf.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Well, that's what everybody always thinks. Like when... When you talk to the average Joe on the street about technology in the government, they're always like, "Dude, the stuff they have that they probably don't tell us about." How much of that is real?

   16. MBMike Baker4:09

       Yeah. Um, it's, it's pretty real, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Have you seen some stuff that made you go, "Holy shit-"

   18. MBMike Baker4:15

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       "... they can do that?"

   20. MBMike Baker4:16

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Really?

   22. MBMike Baker4:17

       Yeah. And-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       How much can you tell us?

3. 4:19 – 14:27

   Universal soldier tech: identification in darkness, biometrics, exosuits, and data overload

   1. MBMike Baker4:19

      Um, well, you know what? One thing that they're doing, and, and there's... This is actually something I wanted to talk about, uh, today, uh, because it's going to affect everybody. It's not just something that, that is going to affect people in the military or else in the intelligence community. Uh, but one of the things that they've been working on is, imagine you've got a... You've got to rock up on a, on a target, and you're... But you're... Before you do that, before you, you get the customers on site and you're gonna, you know, hopefully obtain some high value, uh, targets there at that location, before you do it, you got to, you got to-

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:49

      Why are you talking like euphemisms?

   3. MBMike Baker4:50

      Oh, I'm sorry. So... Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Before you're gonna nuke people-

   5. MBMike Baker4:52

      Before you... Yeah. Before you're gonna go in there-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      ... before you're gonna blow terrorists into another dimension.

   7. MBMike Baker4:56

      Yeah. (laughs) Well, sometimes, you know, you... Okay. Actually, the... I was gonna say, sometimes you want to actually capture them and get their intelligence. We've gone past that, right? Because the years where we were getting our ass kicked for holding on to people in, in detention facilities, um, you know what that did? That, that pretty much convinced everybody, uh, that was involved in this to just, just whack them, right? Because then you don't have to deal with the aftermath. You don't have to worry about, are you going to get in trouble for interrogating somebody?

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:18

      Guantanamo Bay type stuff, or... Yeah.

   9. MBMike Baker5:18

      Right. Exactly. So, so that actually increased the lethality of operations. You started painting targets and just blowing the shit out of there rather than trying to grab the target and get their intel.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       Right.

   11. MBMike Baker5:27

       That's a problem because then the pipeline dries up for the intel. But, uh, anyway, so imagine you got this, you got this site. The first thing you gotta do is determine if your target's there, right? And it's not like the, you know, the Tom Clancy movies where, you know, you're s- looking through walls and all this shit. It's... You know, that, that technology, night vision devices and, and, and that ability in low light conditions to, uh, to monitor and to identify specific, uh, individuals, um, has always been a problem. They've made great strides on it to the point now where in no light conditions, right? With the, with the right stacked database, with the right information in that database, meaning the right, uh, amount of, of information about individuals, right? You're just... You're constantly populating this database with new faces or with new photographs of individuals that you're going after. Um, with enough of that to sift through, they're getting to the point now with no light conditions-... that they can, uh, identify, uh, positively the targets in that room or the targets in that facility or in that building, whatever it might be. And-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       I'd rather they can-

   13. MBMike Baker6:28

       ... that's pretty incredible.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       ... I'd rather they can identify people by their heart rate.

   15. MBMike Baker6:32

       Mm. With, w- well, not just their heart rate but I mean other, other biodata, right? I mean other-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       But, but they can literally, with video, somehow or another, they can zoom in on you with some scanner and recognize that this is a particular individual because of their heart rate.

   17. MBMike Baker6:49

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       This is, there was an article that was written about it and I know that there's a company... Do you know what HEX is? H-E-C-S? It's, um-

   19. MBMike Baker6:57

       Uh, no.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       ... it's a company that's been used, uh, pretty extensively by the scuba diving community, um, and now, uh, by the hunting community as well, because it blocks the electrical signal. H-E-C-S. It blocks the electrical signal that your body gives off.

   21. MBMike Baker7:14

       Okay. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       And-

   23. MBMike Baker7:15

       That makes sense.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       ... and I think they're doing work with the military as well to develop suits that will somehow or another stop someone from being able to recognize your particular heart rate.

   25. MBMike Baker7:26

       Right. And they did a lot of work on, on what they call a, sort of the universal soldier.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Yeah, there it is.

   27. MBMike Baker7:30

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Pentagon has a laser that can identify people from a distance by their heartbeats.

   29. MBMike Baker7:33

       By their heartbeat. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       Fucking laser.
4. 14:27 – 18:22

   Drones, privacy, and how to bring a drone down (jamming & drone guns)

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:27

      I'm a little concerned about drone technology. My old house that I used to live at, this motherfucker that lived down the street from me used to hover a drone over my house and film. He like, f- like, I know he's like looking at me, like, "What are you doing?"

   2. MBMike Baker14:39

      What the hell?

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:39

      "Do you wanna watch me swimming, you fucking weirdo?"

   4. MBMike Baker14:41

      Did you ever go over and talk to him?

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:43

      No.

   6. MBMike Baker14:43

      Ah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:44

      No.

   8. MBMike Baker14:44

      Should've sent a drone over his house.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:46

      Yeah, (sighs) I was thinking of shooting it down but it's hard to aim up.

   10. MBMike Baker14:51

       Now you can ... nowadays-

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       With a bow and arrow.

   12. MBMike Baker14:53

       (laughs) Yeah. I think that'd be a hell of a shot.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       If you have a good bow, like, see, uh, the way a- the way you calculate accuracy with archery is you, you have a rangefinder and that rangefinder has, uh, a built-in adjustments for angle.

   14. MBMike Baker15:10

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       There's angle compensation for up or for down but I don't know if it has it for straight up in the air. Like, 'cause you gotta think the way you, you're judging how much an arrow is gonna drop over the course of the flight.

   16. MBMike Baker15:22

       Right, right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Right, r- r- same as a bullet too.

   18. MBMike Baker15:23

       Right, same as a bullet too. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Yeah.

   20. MBMike Baker15:24

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Right.

   22. MBMike Baker15:25

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       But with a bullet obviously, there's less compensation because it's put out much faster but, um, there's a video that's hilarious of this guy, uh, got tired of this s- block party in Brazil so he loaded up a drone filled with fireworks and, uh-

   24. MBMike Baker15:41

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... he hovered it over the block party and started launching bottle rockets down on these guys that are, uh, making too much noise.

   26. MBMike Baker15:49

       (laughs) That's excellent though. I mean, if you think about it, that sounds like something one of my boys would do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Right.

   28. MBMike Baker15:53

       Um, and, and I'm sure they'll be listening to this at some point so they, I'm, th- they, they're going to do this.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Taking notes.

   30. MBMike Baker15:57

       Yeah, Scooter, Sluggo and Mugsy but, uh-
5. 18:22 – 26:35

   Deepfakes as an election weapon: from comedy to state-actor influence

   1. MBMike Baker18:22

      That's a good point. Um, so, uh, one of the things I wanted... I don't know how we ... And it's not a smooth segue but we were talking a, a bit about-

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:30

      Technology.

   3. MBMike Baker18:30

      Technology. Um, is-... uh, particularly with the 2020 election coming up, is this idea of deep fakes, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:38

      Yes.

   5. MBMike Baker18:38

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:38

      Yeah.

   7. MBMike Baker18:38

      Fantastic stuff. Um, and the technology to create this nowadays, to create a deep fake of, it, uh, which essentially just means you're doctoring a, a photo or video.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      Mm-hmm.

   9. MBMike Baker18:51

      And making it do what you want it to do to try to convince people of whatever it is. Um, technology is, is, is advancing, uh, and- and it's stunning what can be done.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       Do you know who Kyle Dunigan is?

   11. MBMike Baker19:02

       Kyle Dunigan? I should know, I should know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       Hilarious standup comedian but he shines in doing deep fakes, and he's working with this other guy, I think the guy's called Dr. Fakenstein or The Fake-ening.

   13. NANarrator19:14

       It's, uh, yeah, two separate guys, but yeah.

   14. MBMike Baker19:15

       Yeah, one of those guys, but go to, go to his, uh, Instagram and see the new one that he did with Elon Musk. He was doing 'em really kind of crudely with, like, face, with, you know, um- Face swap or face-

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       Yeah.

   16. MBMike Baker19:25

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       It's like a little filter that you get for Snapchat or something like that or Instagram, but now he's moved from that to doing this really high-end stuff. Go to the Elon Musk one. Look at this. Play this.

   18. MBMike Baker19:36

       Dr. Fakenstein did this one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       Yeah, okay.

   20. MBMike Baker19:38

       Uh-

   21. NANarrator19:39

       Uh,

   22. ... here at Tesla Labs, which is pretty cool. It's pretty cool. But- but- but we had a little snafu, and it looks like time is slowing down and will eventually start going backwards at- at an increasing rate. So y- y- pretty soon you will become a baby again and be sucked back into your mother's vagina. So, yeah. Do that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       Okay, now pause.

   24. NANarrator19:59

       Do that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       Now go to another Kyle Dunigan video so he can tell what Kyle really looks like. That's him to the right of that. This is what he really looks like.

   26. MBMike Baker20:06

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       Which is fucking madness.

   28. MBMike Baker20:08

       Yeah.

   29. NANarrator20:08

       See what Jess says? Oh, do you guys ... I'd do it though.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       The guy's hilarious, by the way. He's f- awesome guy too, and he's got a, a great Instagram page, but his Instagram page is mostly him, like the Goldblum.
6. 26:35 – 30:47

   Russia’s long game: data harvesting, propaganda, and why both sides should worry

   1. MBMike Baker26:35

      Well, there, there was... I mean, if you think about it, if you... Not to get too deep, uh, but if you think about the, the photography, how long has photography been around, there have been efforts to manipulate photography, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:46

      Sure.

   3. MBMike Baker26:47

      So, so altering photographs has been around almost as long as the, the, the medium itself. Um, you go to, uh, Photoshop, um, that kind of put it all in the hands of the consumer, you know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:59

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MBMike Baker27:01

      Um, what you were talking about Face, uh, Swap, uh, the new Face app to age people.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:06

      Yeah.

   7. MBMike Baker27:06

      Um, all these things make it easier for whoever's got a smartphone to try to do this. But what you really... And, and that's a problem as well, but one of the things that you really have to worry about is, again, sort of the state actors, like a Russia. I mean, and, and-

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:17

      Well, the Ru- Russia was behind the Face Swap thing.

   9. MBMike Baker27:20

      Well, yeah, and that's a good point.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       The Face app thing.

   11. MBMike Baker27:22

       Right. There are Russian companies that are, uh, pushing this technology out there, and what are they doing? Uh, uh, you know, every time you do that, it's recording data about you, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:31

       Well, not only that, you have to give your name and your email-

   13. MBMike Baker27:35

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       ... to get that application.

   15. MBMike Baker27:37

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       And then they have a photo of your face that correlates with your name and your email.

   17. MBMike Baker27:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       So what they've done is they've gathered up more than 150 million emails and faces.

   19. MBMike Baker27:47

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:47

       And they have data on people.

   21. MBMike Baker27:50

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:50

       That is, that's pretty powerful stuff. Like, if you think about what Facebook has done, right? What Facebook has made billions and billions of dollars by essentially mining data, right? That's what they're about.

   23. MBMike Baker28:01

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       Google is the same thing. They're mining data. Well, Russia managed to do that with 150 million people in a very, very short amount of time, just by making something cute. "Oh, let's see what I look like when I'm a hundred."

   25. MBMike Baker28:12

       Right. Now, what do you think they're doing with that data? They're, they're slicing and dicing this, trying to understand the American electorate, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       Yeah.

   27. MBMike Baker28:18

       They're gonna... They're not gonna stop doing what they did, and they've been doing this forever. We talked about this before. They've been doing this since 1940s, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:24

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MBMike Baker28:24

       Busy trying to keep the US out of World War II before they broke up with the Nazis. It, it was a, it was a serious breakup. Uh, but when they were still aligned, they were busy paying off journalists and buying trade unions and all the rest of it. So they're not, they're never gonna stop what they do because it's worked for them and it's just kind of in their DNA.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       Well, but isn't that also what the United States does as well? I mean, there's got to be some sort of counterintelligence stuff that we do that is sort of shady.
7. 30:47 – 34:26

   Phones, SCIFs, and leaks: why devices are a security nightmare (Omarosa example)

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      This is my phone. So-

   2. MBMike Baker30:48

      There you go, look at that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      ... you got it? See that flag? See all the white-

   4. MBMike Baker30:50

      Look at that, long mayo wave.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:50

      That's how I-

   6. MBMike Baker30:51

      Ugh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:52

      When I open up my phone, the flag waves at me.

   8. MBMike Baker30:54

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:54

      I got a flag behind me.

   10. MBMike Baker30:55

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       I'm 100% pro-America.

   12. MBMike Baker30:57

       What have I got? I open up my phone and-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       We like to think-

   14. MBMike Baker30:59

       You know what I got? I got, I got nothing. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       You got nothing?

   16. MBMike Baker31:01

       I got icons of whatever.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       You're an old phone too. Is that some sort of like hack-free-

   18. MBMike Baker31:05

       (smacks lips) Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       ... iPhone from the '60s?

   20. MBMike Baker31:06

       Yeah, this is actually a windup, uh, phone. Uh, it's a, it's a-

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       I'm surprised you have a flip phone.

   22. MBMike Baker31:10

       ... solar. Yeah. I do have a flip phone.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       The government can't... Oh, there you go.

   24. MBMike Baker31:13

       Yeah. I, and you know what?

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       Do you?

   26. MBMike Baker31:14

       I've got a, I've got a, a collection of phones going-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Of course you do.

   28. MBMike Baker31:17

       ... all the way back (laughs) to the, the, the cinder block phone. Remember that one?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Right, I bet you have phones with like-

   30. MBMike Baker31:21

       That's fantastic.
8. 34:26 – 43:21

   Boris Johnson, Brexit, and the sovereignty vs. globalization split

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:26

      How about that fella that's from England that looks like the, the British-

   2. MBMike Baker34:29

      Yeah, Boris Johnson.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:29

      ... the British Trump?

   4. MBMike Baker34:31

      Yeah, Boris Johnson. I was just there last week when, uh, when he went over to Buckingham Palace and, and, you know, uh, was, uh, asked by the Queen to form the new government and he accepted and... So, you know, uh, he's, he's an interesting character. He went to Eton, he went to Oxford, um, he's, uh, he's proven himself to be extremely adept at, uh, getting, uh, getting elected and yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:50

      But most importantly, he looks like Trump's baby brother.

   6. MBMike Baker34:54

      Yeah, yeah. You know what I see...

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:55

      He looks like his fucked up brother.

   8. MBMike Baker34:56

      I see what you're saying.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:56

      Like, Trump's dad went over to England and banged some waitress and, uh, bam.

   10. MBMike Baker35:00

       (laughs) Like...

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:01

       Next thing you know... Look at the two of them together.

   12. MBMike Baker35:03

       Hold on.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:03

       I mean, get the fuck outta here.

   14. MBMike Baker35:04

       This is my, this is, I got, I got, a buddy of mine sent me this one.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:08

       (laughs) Yeah, it's a South Park one. It's him with a bike helmet on.

   16. MBMike Baker35:14

       It's, that's the best side by side-

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       That's good, but this one's better.

   18. MBMike Baker35:16

       ... I've seen so far.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:16

       This one's better.

   20. MBMike Baker35:17

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:19

       I mean, it literally looks like a, a young Trump cousin or a brother or something like that.

   22. MBMike Baker35:24

       But he's promised, you know, he's promised they're, they're out as far as Brexit goes by, you know, Halloween, by 31 October, they're done and he's, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:31

       So they're done with the whole European Union? That's-

   24. MBMike Baker35:34

       Yeah, well, that's what, that's what they're saying. And basically now what they're, what they're concerned about, of course, is it's a, it's a hard, uh, hard exit, right? No deal.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:41

       Right.

   26. MBMike Baker35:41

       Um, but he's saying it doesn't matter. If that's the case, then that's what we've gotta do. And there's a lot of people... It's, it's, it's interesting. The dynamic is a little bit like here in the US, right? If you're in the Northeast corridor, Washington, New York, whatever, Boston, or you're out here on the West Coast and you, you, you tend to view the world differently than everything else, the rest of the mass of the country, right? Which is why people lost their minds when they thought, you know, how could Trump possibly get elected?

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       Mm-hmm.

   28. MBMike Baker36:06

       The UK is a little bit like that. That Brexit vote came around and everybody in London was convinced that we're, you know, it's gonna be 95%, you know, "We're not leaving." And so when it came time and they voted to leave in 2000 whatever, '16, uh, the people in London lost their minds. They couldn't believe it. And they still to this day, uh, think everybody else is just an idiot, right? So there's, there's similarities there, which is I think why in part Trump, you know, feels sort of that, this kinship with Boris Johnson.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:31

       Mm.

   30. MBMike Baker36:31

       Um, but yeah, so he's, Boris Johnson has said, "That's it. We're outta here. You know, maybe we can get a deal. If we can't, doesn't matter, we're still leaving." And it'll be interesting to see what happens, but, um, you know, he's not, uh, he's not unpopular. Um...
9. 43:21 – 57:24

   Border security, cartel grow ops, and the case for federal marijuana legalization

   1. JRJoe Rogan43:21

      What's screwed up about their policies?

   2. MBMike Baker43:22

      Well-Um, I'm not a Democratic Socialist, right? So, um, I, I have a problem with everything from, you look at the, the Green New Deal, right?

   3. JRJoe Rogan43:34

      Mm-hmm.

   4. MBMike Baker43:34

      And this idea that we're gonna roll this out and fuck the economic impact, you know? Or I, I, I, I don't think they've even-

   5. JRJoe Rogan43:41

      But specifically-

   6. MBMike Baker43:41

      ... thought about the economic impact. I think what they're doing is they're just, they're playing to their, their, a base.

   7. JRJoe Rogan43:46

      Mm-hmm.

   8. MBMike Baker43:46

      And they're doing it successfully and people hear about it and everybody wants to be righteous, everybody wants to think, "Sure, fuck yeah I care about the environment."

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:54

      Right.

   10. MBMike Baker43:54

       "Yeah, let's get rid of emissions, that'll be a great idea." And whether it's that or open borders, um, and the idea that somehow we're, you know... Do I think we're running concentration camps down, uh, south? No, I don't think... I, I think that's fucked up that we would... that's the terminology that we would have, right? For-

   11. JRJoe Rogan44:12

       Detainment centers.

   12. MBMike Baker44:13

       ... for detainment centers. And you know what you wanna, you, you wanna make it better? Well great, let's, let's actually do what your job is. Let's make some changes to the, to the, to the, uh, immigration rules and to, to asylum laws. Let's, uh, put some more money down there, um, and make conditions a little bit better. There's things that we could... i- i- in terms of concrete steps, but we don't, we don't seem to wanna do that. We seem to wanna just throw shit around at each other. And, and I, I, and... but the open borders thing is, is, is, uh, is, is worrisome. Uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan44:44

       Well there's a, there's a guy named John Norris who was just on, um, uh, my friend Steve Rinell's podcast (clears throat) . It's called The Meat Eater podcast.

   14. MBMike Baker44:51

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan44:51

       And he's a, uh, a warden. He's a, a game warden.

   16. MBMike Baker44:54

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan44:54

       And one of the things that they had to deal with somewhere along the line, was they had to become enforcers for illegal drug gr- uh, gr- drug, marijuana growing, um, these establishments in public lands, in national parks. So these guys that were supposed to be just catching people with too many trout on their stringer are now being forced to stop illegal grow ops.

   18. MBMike Baker45:18

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       And it's all cartel members. And what he's saying is that 80 to 90% of all of the marijuana that gets sold illegally in this country, in the Midwest-

   20. MBMike Baker45:28

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       ... and all these different places where it's illegal, is coming out of these grow ops. And a lot of it is tainted with dangerous pesticides because these guys are trying to... they're, they're actually using poisons to keep animals from eating the marijuana.

   22. MBMike Baker45:40

       Mm-hmm. Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       And so these kids that are bu- or who the fuck is buying it? They're buying this pot from these illegal places. No one's testing this stuff. You don't know what the fuck you're getting-

   24. MBMike Baker45:48

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       ... and you very well bl- could be smoking pot that's poisoning you.

   26. MBMike Baker45:51

       Yeah, there's uh, a, a guy that I know, a v- really good guy, he's a, he's a huge landowner h- here in California, uh, to the point where you can spend all day on an ATV and-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Mm-hmm.

   28. MBMike Baker46:00

       ... and still not, you know, get to the end of one of his, uh, plots of land. I don't know if you call it a plot of land. And anyway, he's had those, uh, incidents, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yes.

   30. MBMike Baker46:09

       He's had where they... it's such a massive, uh, piece of property that, uh, a, a, you know, small element from a cartel will set up a grow spot there. And, you know, they'll camouflage it. It's very well done.
10. 57:24 – 1:00:04

    The ‘pot industry’ mainstreams: colleges, sponsorships, private prisons, and lobbying

    1. MBMike Baker57:24

       I want, I wanna show you something. I'm, I'm like, uh-

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:25

       Shout out to Kim K.

    3. MBMike Baker57:26

       I'm like one of the, uh, I'm like a crazy, uh, crazy grandpa that clips newspaper articles out. Um, but in preparation for the show, I know most people think I do-

    4. JRJoe Rogan57:34

       Oh, looking at you, you're reading the newspaper?

    5. MBMike Baker57:34

       ... no preparation whatsoever. I know, I know.

    6. JRJoe Rogan57:37

       You're one of those guys. I still do too. Thank you.

    7. MBMike Baker57:38

       I know. I love the newspaper.

    8. JRJoe Rogan57:39

       I do as well. Thank you.

    9. MBMike Baker57:40

       But look at, look at this, "College has offered degree and courses in the pot business."

    10. JRJoe Rogan57:44

        Ah, good move.

    11. MBMike Baker57:44

        Yeah, yeah. So this is really interesting.

    12. JRJoe Rogan57:46

        They teach pot casting too now. Did you know that?

    13. MBMike Baker57:47

        Pot casting?

    14. JRJoe Rogan57:47

        Colleges are teaching pot casting.

    15. MBMike Baker57:49

        Uh-

    16. JVJamie Vernon57:49

        I know two people that have gone back to school for that specifically.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        For pot casting?

    18. JVJamie Vernon57:52

        No, no, for, uh...

    19. MBMike Baker57:52

        For pot? For growing pot?

    20. JVJamie Vernon57:54

        ... for growing pot.

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:54

        Really?

    22. JVJamie Vernon57:54

        Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

    23. MBMike Baker57:55

        It's crazy. University of Maryland and Cornell, that's the two that this article talks about. Um, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan57:59

        Well, the biggest sponsorship that the UFC has ever gotten, ever, is this Aurora company in Canada that grows weed, CBD and marijuana. They have football fields filled with weed.

    25. MBMike Baker58:11

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan58:11

        And, you know, the highest possible standards, the best quality, no pesticides, herbicides, no bullshit.

    27. MBMike Baker58:18

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:18

        Super pure. And the CBD, which is fantastic for everybody's health. And I just, I'm, I'm... Back when I first started working for the UFC, there were people that worked for the organiz- organization that didn't like it that I smoked pot. They were like, "Why is he smoking pot? What is he doing? He's gonna..."

    29. MBMike Baker58:32

        Ooh, that doesn't sound good.

    30. JRJoe Rogan58:32

        But now they work for the pot company.
11. 1:00:04 – 1:14:41

    Iran: alleged CIA informants, tanker seizures, and sanctions strategy

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

       Speaking of creepy, what's going on with, uh, Iran caught a bunch of people that they are claiming are CIA informants-

    2. MBMike Baker1:00:10

       Oh, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       ... and they may execute them?

    4. MBMike Baker1:00:12

       Yeah. Yeah, they've done this before. They've made this claim before, um, and... Look, Iran is, uh... Hey, there're a couple of parts to this. Um, that's one of the heaviest lifts in the business, has been intel collection on Iran over the years. I'm not talking about just recently, but over the years it's been, it's been very difficult. Um, they are extremely buttoned up over there, and they have, uh, an incredible level of, of control over their population. Uh, and that which is, you know, at some point you would think, "Well, maybe the population is gonna object to this," but, you know, it hasn't happened yet. Um, so part of it is, they came out with this, uh, I think it's 17 individuals that they claim were cooperating with the CIA in some fashion or another. And they, you know, they claimed that they were fairly high level individuals, um-... the IFA, uh, uh, I don't believe a- anything that comes outta their mouths. I don't believe them at all. I think they've, they've, they've got a long, long track record of, of lying about a variety of things. And so, you know, why would they come out with this? Um, you know, perhaps they're cracking down, and it, it doesn't hurt to come out. And if you're going after some of these individuals anyway, why not? Put them, put the paintbrush on them that they're working for the CIA, right? And, and that will appease some of the population there.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Mm-hmm.

    6. MBMike Baker1:01:26

       Um, so I don't know. I, I'm, again, I'm not buying it. Um, it has been a difficult intel task and, and collecting intelligence on, on their efforts with, uh, with their ballistic missiles, their nuke program as well, uh, has always been, has always been problematic. But again, they've, they've done this before where they've talked about how we've wrapped up a CIA spying network.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Mm-hmm.

    8. MBMike Baker1:01:46

       And it's, it's kinda horse shit. It's happened.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       But it's just their propaganda-

    10. MBMike Baker1:01:50

        I think, well, yeah. I mean, again, like-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

        ... in some ways.

    12. MBMike Baker1:01:51

        You know, I, uh, yeah. I, that, that would be my take on it. I don't know what, I mean, I'm not, I'm not-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:56

        Right.

    14. MBMike Baker1:01:56

        ... internal, I'm not inside. And, and so, you know, is it possible? Sure. We've had, uh, we've had networks wrapped up before by other countries. Cuba, the Cuban intel service years ago, right, which was completely built by the Russians, by the way, by the old KGB. They, they owned and operated the Cuban intel service for a long time. Still do. Um, they, at one point, wrapped up pretty much everybody we had on island, right?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

        Mm-hmm.

    16. MBMike Baker1:02:20

        Um, and, and elsewhere.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

        So how many people did we have over there?

    18. MBMike Baker1:02:23

        Um, uh, three. Um, no. We, we had, uh, you know, I don't, I don't remember-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

        A few?

    20. MBMike Baker1:02:28

        ... the numbers. But it was a, it was-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

        More than one?

    22. MBMike Baker1:02:29

        ... few. Yeah, let's just say it was, it was, it was not good. And they, they, they had done a very good ... It was from a, from a counterintelligence perspective, it was a, a pretty impressive effort. So it's happened. Uh, Russia's, you know, uh, done the same when we've ... Usually when, with Russia, usually when we've got a, a traitor or a g- mole, you know, somebody like Robert Hanssen, um, uh, Jim Nicholson, uh-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

        I've never seen that show-

    24. MBMike Baker1:02:50

        ... and Edley-Edley Howard.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

        ... The Americans.

    26. MBMike Baker1:02:52

        Oh, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:52

        But from what I understand, it's a good show. It was a show based on the idea that at one point in time, there was a Russian family-

    28. MBMike Baker1:02:58

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

        ... that had come over here and infiltrated and l- became American citizens and seemed like, you know, Joe and Mary next door-

    30. MBMike Baker1:03:05

        Right.

Episode duration: 2:14:34