Joe Rogan Experience #1331 - Alonzo Bodden

1. 0:04 – 0:50

   New studio ‘bunker’ vibes + climate change anxiety

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Hello, Alonzo.

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden0:05

      What is up, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Good to see you, my brother.

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden0:07

      Man, it is so good to be back. Um, uh, it's my first time seeing the new joint. It's absolutely amazing. So-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Yeah, I thought you had been here at the new spot, but...

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden0:15

      No, like, like I say, you were building this-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   8. ABAlonzo Bodden0:18

      ... when I did the last one, and this, this is... When you said you could do everything here, it's like, yeah, this is the bunker. I don't live that far from here.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Come on down.

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden0:25

       So when the bomb hits, I'm like, "Yeah, I'm going to Joe's spot."

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Well, if you live in the ne-

   12. ABAlonzo Bodden0:29

       That's gonna...

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       If you're in the neighborhood and you wanna use the gym, it's always open.

   14. ABAlonzo Bodden0:32

       Yeah. Thanks.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Come on down.

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden0:33

       I'll bring canned goods. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs) Bring water.

   18. ABAlonzo Bodden0:36

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Bring w- water purifiers. Yeah, if the shit hits the fan.

   20. ABAlonzo Bodden0:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Bernie had me nervous. Bernie Sanders was just here, he had me nervous.

   22. ABAlonzo Bodden0:44

       About?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Climate change. Whenever someone brings up climate change, it's like, uh, a bill that you didn't pay, and you're like, "Ah, fuck, I forgot about that one."

2. 0:50 – 2:36

   Alonzo plugs ‘Heavy Lightweight’ and why ‘heavy’ needs humor

   1. ABAlonzo Bodden0:50

      Yeah, it's, it's real. And okay, so now I'm gonna do my first shameless plug for my new special.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:56

      Oh, it's out?

   3. ABAlonzo Bodden0:56

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:56

      When is it out now?

   5. ABAlonzo Bodden0:56

      August 23rd on Amazon Prime. It's called-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:59

      You're one of the new wave of Amazon Specials.

   7. ABAlonzo Bodden1:01

      Yeah, the-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01

      I'm very excited about this.

   9. ABAlonzo Bodden1:02

      Yeah, they're, they're testing the water, so it's good to be in. So, uh, it's called Heavy Lightweight, and I call it that 'cause I do some heavy topics and then I mix it in with lightweight shit, 'cause that's like if you do all heavy...

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Right.

   11. ABAlonzo Bodden1:14

       Like it's, it's, "Wow, that was depressing."

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       It's too much. Yeah.

   13. ABAlonzo Bodden1:17

       And, you know, and I talk about the climate change thing, but it's like... To be honest, like, look, I'm a Black man, 57. I got what, like, 10 years left? I don't give a shit. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (laughs)

   15. ABAlonzo Bodden1:29

       You know what I'm saying? Like, statistically, God bless you millennials, I wish you luck, but I had a good run.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       No kids.

   17. ABAlonzo Bodden1:34

       So... Nah. No, next-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       By the way, you look amazing for 57.

   19. ABAlonzo Bodden1:37

       Thank you. And-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Like, don't crack.

   21. ABAlonzo Bodden1:39

       It... Well, like, and this is why I talk about, right up until the day it does, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       (laughs)

   23. ABAlonzo Bodden1:42

       So like, like literally, right till the day before I die, I look great, and then, "What happened?" "Some bitch died." "From what?" "Black."

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       (laughs)

   25. ABAlonzo Bodden1:50

       "Been Black his whole life, shit just caught up with him." You got fuckin' diabetes, sickle cell, and high blood pressure in the same day. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       A wave. A wave of malady.

   27. ABAlonzo Bodden1:59

       But no, but the, the climate change thing is real, but I think the big problem is it's slow. It's not dramatic, so people... It's easy to, to not think about it because, you know, the... Yeah, the ocean's rising, but it's an inch a year.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Right.

   29. ABAlonzo Bodden2:15

       Which, you know, I mean, that, that may not be exact, but you know what I mean. It's, it's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       It's not a lot.
3. 2:36 – 5:27

   CO2, greening claims, and ‘check the science’ skepticism

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      You know what's interesting? I- I'm pretty sure, and we should check this, make sure this is correct, and I think we learned about this from Randall Carlson, that the increased CO2 rates also increases vegetation, because vegetation and greenery, they use carbon dioxide.

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden2:51

      Right, they use carbon dioxide. Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:53

      Yeah, the int- in- increased rates. Actually, this is like one of the greenest times ever.

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden2:59

      Yeah, but I wonder how does that offset versus the... There's less land for these plants to grow on, you know what I mean? Like, so when you look at, like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      Hm, the ocean rises.

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden3:08

      ... rainforests, jungles, things like that, like this.

   7. NANarrator3:12

      It says the opposite of that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      What's it say?

   9. NANarrator3:14

      That it makes it harder for it, them to grow.

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden3:16

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       What, wait no, what article says that?

   12. NANarrator3:18

       Uh...

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       And is there any articles that say that's not the case? Because it seems like, um, that's not something that Randall would lie about. He was talking about how, um, this is like one of the most, uh, green times ever, and the increase of forest and, and green trees and...

   14. NANarrator3:36

       Well, honestly, I guess I'm seeing both of them, then. So the very first things that pop up are, "High carbon levels make it harder for plants to grow," from ThinkProgress. Second thing, "Increased carbon dioxide levels in the air restrict plants' ability to absorb nutrients." It's from science.gu.se. It's another country, I think Sweden. And then NASA says-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       So first of all, ThinkProgress sounds like a bunch of fucking hippies.

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden3:55

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Bunch of tree-hugging bitches.

   18. ABAlonzo Bodden3:57

       (laughs)

   19. NANarrator3:57

       NASA says, though-

   20. ABAlonzo Bodden3:58

       What?

   21. NANarrator3:58

       ... uh, it's making it greener for now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Yes.

   23. ABAlonzo Bodden4:00

       And... So I would buy that. The thing about... The thing... And isn't, isn't this funny? Like, with science, you have to check, because you have to see if there's a political agenda.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Click on the NASA one.

   25. ABAlonzo Bodden4:10

       You have to see if there's a political agenda behind the science, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Mm. Yeah.

   27. ABAlonzo Bodden4:14

       So-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       Oh, for sure. But you never know.

   29. ABAlonzo Bodden4:15

       But with NASA... I'd, I'd go with what NASA says.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Yeah.
4. 5:27 – 6:55

   Sea level rise, hurricanes, and admitting they’re not experts

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:27

      How much... If everything melts, if the polar ice caps melt, like where can... Can we live in South Dakota or some shit?

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden5:35

      I don't know. I don't think so.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      Think we'll make it in-

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden5:37

      I, I don't-

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      ... deep inside?

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden5:39

      You know, I don't think so. Like, like, uh, you know, they want California to fall into the ocean, right? You always hear that, that-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      Right.

   8. ABAlonzo Bodden5:45

      ... Texas... It's like, yeah, and the tidal wave will kill you.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      Yeah.

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden5:49

       You know what I mean?

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       Kill everybody.

   12. ABAlonzo Bodden5:51

       So, I don't know... Um, I don't think that's safe, because it, it would be such a drastic change. I mean, right? So much of the Earth's weather is controlled by the polar ice caps, the magnetic poles, the, the-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       Mm-hmm.

   14. ABAlonzo Bodden6:04

       ... rainfall, you know, glaciers, and it, it's all interconnected.So-

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Right, that's why the hurricanes are getting stronger, right? Is that the speculation?

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden6:12

       Right. Yeah. So if you lose... Like, the oceans control the Earth's climate, because the wa- you know, having to do with evaporation and, and so on. So-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       By the way, for sure, you shouldn't be getting weather information from you or me. (laughs)

   18. ABAlonzo Bodden6:25

       (laughs) Listen, we got two, two expert scientists here. We've been, we've been talking about this for minutes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       (laughs)

   20. ABAlonzo Bodden6:31

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Been thinking about it for hours, all told, over our lives.

   22. ABAlonzo Bodden6:35

       But no, it's, it's, um, it's real.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       Yeah.

   24. ABAlonzo Bodden6:39

       But it, but it is something I think it's definitely younger people-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       Glove.

   26. ABAlonzo Bodden6:43

       ... are gonna be more interested, because it, it could be a major thing. Like, if you're 30 now, when you're f- 60, this could be a real, real big issue. You know?

5. 6:55 – 8:50

   Miami, coke jokes, and the ‘weed cash’ banking problem

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      It's a bad time to buy real estate in Miami.

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden6:58

      No, you don't wa-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:59

      You don't want that.

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden6:59

      When is a good time to buy real estate in Miami? When-

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      When you got a lot of coke in your pocket. (laughs)

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden7:04

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:05

      And you look at a party. You found out you have stage IV cancer, but you do have a large bag of coke.

   8. ABAlonzo Bodden7:11

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      (laughs)

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden7:12

       They, you know, it, uh, I love that you mention that, 'cause it, this has been a thing. So the, the weed industry being legal, right, and they say there's all this money that people can't figure out what to do with, right? The banks don't want it. Like, Miami was built with cocaine money. What happened to those money laundering guys who cleaned up all of that money, built all that real estate? Like, where are they now?

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       It's a different era.

   12. ABAlonzo Bodden7:37

       W- w- I can't believe that there's not people out there who can figure out how to clean this weed money and boost the economy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       They will be able to figure it out, but it's gonna take a long time. And the people that are trying to figure it out right now, like the, the weed dealers that are d- selling it legally, but then they have all the stockpiles of cash, they have, they have to, uh, they hire, hire mercenaries. I mean, they hire Blackwater guys and shit, fucking special ops guys to watch their, their money. They really have to.

   14. ABAlonzo Bodden8:03

       Uh, my old, uh, condo, I rent it out, right? So I was renting to a guy. His business was he handled the credit card transactions for the weed places, for the dispensaries and stuff-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Mm-hmm.

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden8:17

       ... and the, you know, the bank shut him down, and this, and he didn't pay the rent, like, and I was like, "I got the only guy in the weed business who can't make money." Like, I'm renting-

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       (laughs)

   18. ABAlonzo Bodden8:26

       ... to, there's one guy in weed who can't... I was like, "Listen, man, I take cash. Just pay the rent." Like, like, how can you... (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       You're selling weed. Everybody's buying it.

   20. ABAlonzo Bodden8:35

       You're selling weed on credit cards and you can't pay your rent. How did (laughs) I end up with this guy?

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       Loser.

   22. ABAlonzo Bodden8:41

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       People are flying here to get some weed.

   24. ABAlonzo Bodden8:44

       Yeah, they-

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       They're flying into California.

   26. ABAlonzo Bodden8:46

       ... they tour now.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       Yeah, it's weed tourism.

   28. ABAlonzo Bodden8:47

       They tour now. And, and my guy, nothing. (laughs)

6. 8:50 – 10:03

   Weed tourism replaces Amsterdam + why mushrooms got banned

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:50

      You know who r- really took it on the fucking chin, is Amsterdam. Remember when people-

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden8:54

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:54

      ... were talking about going to Amsterdam? "Let's go to Amsterdam and get high."

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden8:57

      Yeah, they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:57

      Well, you can get high here, stupid.

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden8:59

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:59

      Nobody's going to Amsterdam anymore.

   8. ABAlonzo Bodden9:00

      They still got hookers in windows, though.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:02

      That's true.

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden9:02

       They still got that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       That's true, but who's been there before you?

   12. ABAlonzo Bodden9:05

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       You know, if you could just see a, the line of... If you see a, like a video montage of all the guys coming into this liquor-

   14. ABAlonzo Bodden9:12

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       ... like, "Uh, ah, oh, oh," over just over the last couple weeks. You know, like, whoa.

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden9:17

       Joe just ruined Amsterdam tourism.

   17. NANarrator9:19

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       Yeah.

   19. ABAlonzo Bodden9:20

       Amsterdam Tourist Board is like, "Why is he picking on us? What did we do?" (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Well, they have good fights over there. But they fucked up when they made, uh, mushrooms illegal. They, they, they stopped, uh, people from selling mushrooms in the, the cafes.

   21. ABAlonzo Bodden9:32

       Now, is that because the... Is... Why would they do... I don't understand why they would do that, 'cause those people-

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       Dorks.

   23. ABAlonzo Bodden9:37

       ... say it's something-

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       Dorks go over there-

   25. ABAlonzo Bodden9:38

       ... they can't regulate, but-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       No, it's... Dorks go over there and blow their brains out. They-

   27. ABAlonzo Bodden9:42

       Oh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       They eat too many mushrooms and freak out, and try to jump in the river, and you know.

   29. ABAlonzo Bodden9:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       That's what it is.
7. 10:03 – 11:31

   What ‘safe psychedelic tourism’ could look like

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      It could be done correctly. I think if you wanna do drug tourism correctly, first of all, you need to check people, make sure they're okay, find out what kind of medication they are, and like do a blood test on them. Find out what kind of medication, "Oh, look, you're on SSRIs, you didn't even tell us? Hey stupid, you're not supposed to take this stuff."

   2. ABAlonzo Bodden10:18

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      "This is gonna fuck you up. Next."

   4. ABAlonzo Bodden10:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:20

      You know, and, and really, really test them. Then, you know, find out about their psychological history, and start them off with a nice light dose. "Today, today's Tuesday. Today we're gonna give a nice light dose, like a half a gram."

   6. ABAlonzo Bodden10:33

      Yeah, that would-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:33

      We're just gonna see how you react.

   8. ABAlonzo Bodden10:34

      That would be it, just, just-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:35

      Yeah.

   10. ABAlonzo Bodden10:36

       ... you know, "This is how much you get."

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Oh.

   12. ABAlonzo Bodden10:38

       "And let's see how you react."

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Exactly.

   14. ABAlonzo Bodden10:40

       And then-

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       And then come back on Wednesday.

   16. ABAlonzo Bodden10:42

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       I'll let you think about it for 24 hours, you come back on Wednesday. And Wednesday we're gonna give you two grams.

   18. ABAlonzo Bodden10:47

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       We'll see what's up.

   20. ABAlonzo Bodden10:48

       And then they got, gotta cut you off.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       Yeah.

   22. ABAlonzo Bodden10:50

       That's gonna...

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       And then you come back on Saturday, and you get that 5 gram dose of goodness.

   24. ABAlonzo Bodden10:56

       (laughs) Whoa!

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Whoa! Yeah, d- just do it right, with doctors nearby, and IVs filled with vitamins, and...

   26. ABAlonzo Bodden11:06

       I'm sure that's why they don't, 'cause who's gonna pay for all of that part?

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       Dorks.

   28. ABAlonzo Bodden11:09

       You know? The same dorks. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       (laughs) I'm sure people would pay. If you had like, uh, if you could save up your money and have, like, a real safe mushroom trip, like a legit safe mushroom trip at a medical institution where they've got everything locked down and everybody's safe and the mushrooms are safe, and yeah, people would pay a few hundred bucks for that.

8. 11:31 – 14:59

   Retired from drugs, CBD, and fixing knees (stem cells vs replacement)

   1. ABAlonzo Bodden11:31

      Okay. Well, I haven't, I haven't done mushroom, but would that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Never?

   3. ABAlonzo Bodden11:34

      No.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:35

      You want to try?

   5. ABAlonzo Bodden11:35

      No. No, thanks, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      Ah, I'm just kidding.

   7. ABAlonzo Bodden11:37

      You know, I'm retired, man. You know that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:38

      Oh, from everything?

   9. ABAlonzo Bodden11:39

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       Yeah.

   11. ABAlonzo Bodden11:39

       Yeah. But, um-

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       When did you... Yeah, we talked about this. Like, when did you retire?

   13. ABAlonzo Bodden11:42

       Uh, '88.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       Wow.

   15. ABAlonzo Bodden11:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       That's crazy.

   17. ABAlonzo Bodden11:45

       Yeah. I mean-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       You don't ever get the itch?

   19. ABAlonzo Bodden11:47

       No, no. I, you know, I've been high enough that I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       (laughs)

   21. ABAlonzo Bodden11:53

       So when you talk about it, it's like fascinating to me, but then, but then there's also that case of like now, like, I don't wanna be that high. You know what I mean?

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Right. Yeah.

   23. ABAlonzo Bodden12:01

       But... And again, I, I don't knock what anyone else does, but this is what I wanted to ask you, if you did it under those medically supervised conditions, would it still be as much fun?

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       Yeah, it's fun no matter what.

   25. ABAlonzo Bodden12:14

       Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:14

       As long as they leave you alone while you're tripping.

   27. ABAlonzo Bodden12:16

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       As long as they don't bother you, you know?

   29. ABAlonzo Bodden12:19

       Okay. That, I mean, I, like I say, I have no idea, I have no frame of reference to-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:24

       Right.
9. 14:59 – 18:34

   Panama stem cell clinics, exosomes, and ‘going ham’ on treatment

   1. ABAlonzo Bodden14:59

      Well, this is what I wanted to ask you about. So I know when you talked about it early on, you went overseas, right? You left the-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      No, I didn't have to.

   3. ABAlonzo Bodden15:05

      No, you did get it done here.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      No. No, you get it all-

   5. ABAlonzo Bodden15:06

      So that was my question, because I've heard people talking about going to-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Panama.

   7. ABAlonzo Bodden15:11

      ... Panama-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah, that's-

   9. ABAlonzo Bodden15:12

      ... or Asia, et cetera, et Cetera.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Dr. Riordan-

   11. ABAlonzo Bodden15:13

       Is that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Yeah, I don't, um, think you wanna go to Asia-

   13. ABAlonzo Bodden15:15

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       ... I don't know what they're doing over there.

   15. ABAlonzo Bodden15:17

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       But Dr. Riordan, who's the guy who treated Mel Gibson and Mel Gibson's dad, he actually treated my mom.

   17. ABAlonzo Bodden15:23

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       My mom was, uh, in risk of a knee replacement, you know, she was in pretty, you know, pretty bad pain.

   19. ABAlonzo Bodden15:29

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       And the doctor was like, "You gotta get a knee replacement." I'm like, "Okay, maybe you have to get a knee replacement." I go, "But before you do that, let's send you to Panama, and they'll, they'll do this full three-day stem cell procedure." They use IV stem cells, they, they, they blast the area over three different days, they hit it with stem cells.

   21. ABAlonzo Bodden15:47

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       And, you know, my mom was 73, so it was a while before it worked. She, you know, for the first four months, she was a little discouraged, she like, "I don't, I don't feel anything different, you know, I don't know if this is working." And then somewhere around five, six months, she started feeling a lack of pain.

   23. ABAlonzo Bodden16:06

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       And the pain just start, stopped go- it just stopped being, like, a part of her daily life.

   25. ABAlonzo Bodden16:10

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       And then now she could walk and it's not bothering her. She goes, "I'm walking with no pain, I can walk up hills with no pain." And she goes, uh, "I wanna do it again." So I was like, "Fuck it, we'll send you down again."

   27. ABAlonzo Bodden16:20

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       So she's, she's headed down again to get more of it, but it's-

   29. ABAlonzo Bodden16:23

       But you did it here?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah, I did it here. My, well, I think-
10. 18:34 – 24:35

    Amazon comedy specials, streaming economics, and ‘what goes viral’

    1. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       Well, this Amazon-

    2. ABAlonzo Bodden18:34

       We'll talk about-

    3. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       ... special might push you over the top.

    4. ABAlonzo Bodden18:37

       ... where I can... I hope so. You know, it, it, I mean, you know me, I've been in the biz forever. I love the biz. I love the, I love the... I appreciate the love you give me on the podcast. People always tell me when you or some guest, "Oh, yeah, man, they were talking about you." You know? And, and I, and I appreciate that, right? Um, KRS-ONE said a long time ago, "Respect will outlast cash."

    5. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       Yes.

    6. ABAlonzo Bodden18:56

       You know? So I appreciate that.

    7. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       I appreciate you too, man.

    8. ABAlonzo Bodden18:59

       But, um, yeah, it'd, it'd be nice to have something blow up like that, right? Because-

    9. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       I think you can.

    10. ABAlonzo Bodden19:04

        ... so many times, it, it happens in careers. So, uh-

    11. JRJoe Rogan19:08

        Well, they're doing a lot-

    12. ABAlonzo Bodden19:09

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan19:09

        ... of specials now. They got Gaffigan is doing-

    14. ABAlonzo Bodden19:11

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan19:11

        ... Amazon. Uh, Russell Peters is doing Amazon. You. Who else? Someone else.

    16. ABAlonzo Bodden19:15

        Uh, Jimmy O. Yang's got one-

    17. JRJoe Rogan19:17

        Yes.

    18. ABAlonzo Bodden19:18

        ... coming up, and-

    19. JRJoe Rogan19:18

        Does Faheem have a Amazon? Faheem Anwar, does he have an Amazon? But there's a lot of, like, really funny people that are doing it. And as long as they put the money into promotion and let people know, I mean, they're, they're doing great right now with The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

    20. ABAlonzo Bodden19:33

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan19:33

        And they have a lot of new Amazon Prime series, like that Fleabag's supposed to be hilarious. They have a lot of good series that they're promoting that people are really getting into.

    22. ABAlonzo Bodden19:41

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan19:41

        And if you have Amazon Prime, like if you order shit with Amazon, you get free-

    24. ABAlonzo Bodden19:44

        You get free-

    25. JRJoe Rogan19:45

        ... Amazon TV.

    26. ABAlonzo Bodden19:45

        ... TV, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan19:46

        People don't even know that.

    28. ABAlonzo Bodden19:47

        I know, I know. And it's good.

    29. JRJoe Rogan19:49

        Yes.

    30. ABAlonzo Bodden19:49

        You know, Amazon is, is legit good-
11. 24:35 – 32:04

    Montreal as ‘summer camp’: festival evolution and the lost Comedy Works room

    1. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       Don't you think at this point most comics go to Montreal to hang out with other comics?

    2. ABAlonzo Bodden24:38

       Oh, absolutely. We call it summer camp, man.

    3. JRJoe Rogan24:41

       Yeah. (laughs)

    4. ABAlonzo Bodden24:41

       You see your, you know, yeah, you see friends and, and like, I see him there every summer.

    5. JRJoe Rogan24:47

       Right.

    6. ABAlonzo Bodden24:47

       And then you see people who you just don't see or don't bump into, you know-

    7. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       Yeah.

    8. ABAlonzo Bodden24:53

       ... regularly in your regular whatever, and you get to hang out.

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:56

       Yeah.

    10. ABAlonzo Bodden24:56

        And then there's always new people you meet. Like this year, I met Nick Kroll, who was cool.

    11. JRJoe Rogan25:01

        He's great.

    12. ABAlonzo Bodden25:02

        And, uh, you know, 'cause I like Big Mouth his-

    13. JRJoe Rogan25:04

        Yeah.

    14. ABAlonzo Bodden25:04

        ... his, uh, cartoon. And, um, Pete Holmes. And Pete Holmes was hilarious 'cause he was doing this thing at The Roast called Mean Pete. So he was doing like, a completely different char- 'cause, you know, Pete Holmes a nice guy and this and that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan25:17

        Mm-hmm.

    16. ABAlonzo Bodden25:18

        And he was at The Roast just destroying people, and he just kept yelling, "Mean Pete!"

    17. JRJoe Rogan25:21

        (laughs)

    18. ABAlonzo Bodden25:21

        You know, so. But, but yeah, so that kind of stuff, yeah, it's fun, man, just to, uh-

    19. JRJoe Rogan25:26

        Yeah, I haven't been in forever.

    20. ABAlonzo Bodden25:26

        ... meet and hang out.

    21. JRJoe Rogan25:27

        (clears throat)

    22. ABAlonzo Bodden25:27

        Well, that was the first time, I don't know if you remember, I definitely remember, this is the first time you and me hung out.

    23. JRJoe Rogan25:33

        When was this? What year, like '90s?

    24. ABAlonzo Bodden25:34

        This, yeah, it was, it was-

    25. JRJoe Rogan25:36

        Damn, we're old.

    26. ABAlonzo Bodden25:37

        Yeah. So-

    27. JRJoe Rogan25:38

        (laughs)

    28. ABAlonzo Bodden25:39

        It was '99, it was my second time in Montreal, right? And I'm doing comedy, I don't know, about six years. So I'm still like, new, like I, but, but I knew you from the, um, from Laugh Factory and from around town. And you were hanging out with Kevin James, and I think he had just got his show or had just finished his first year of his show or whatever. And you were like, "Come on." And I jump in a cab and we went around doing spots. And I'm like, and you had b- you'd already been on Newsradio, and I, and I'm like, "Fuck, I'm hanging out with Joe and Kev," like, we're doing spots, like you-

    29. JRJoe Rogan26:12

        (laughs)

    30. ABAlonzo Bodden26:12

        You know what I mean? Like, as a new comic, you're like, "Holy shit, this is the coolest shit." And 'cause, 'cause I, I could get in 'cause I got out of the cab with you two, so they were like, "Yeah, yeah, you can do five." So that, I remember, I still remember that. That was fun. But that's what Montreal is. So now I'm that guy.
12. 32:04 – 43:52

    Absurd acts, TV censorship, and the ethics of impersonating dead comics

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       Yeah, it was crackling. I, that was the first time I ever saw Lenny Schultz. You ever see Crazy Lenny? Do you know Crazy Lenny?

    2. ABAlonzo Bodden32:09

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       He was a hilarious guy that was ... Right when I was coming up, he was just at the end of his run.

    4. ABAlonzo Bodden32:15

       Ugh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan32:16

       At the end of his career. He's this wild, crazy old man who'd bring props on stage.

    6. ABAlonzo Bodden32:21

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       But it was like, okay, it's, it's attitude was like, it was so fun, just a w- just a maniac. Like, he would, he would pull up a, a, you know, a Smokey the Bear doll, and he was like, "Only you can prevent forest fires." And he, and he just yells, "Fuck you!"

    8. ABAlonzo Bodden32:36

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       And he punches this bear in the face. (laughs) It didn't make any sense. And on paper, it sounds so stupid, but in person-

    10. ABAlonzo Bodden32:42

        No, but I know what you mean.

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:43

        ... you're fucking holding your bow- you couldn't even stop laughing.

    12. ABAlonzo Bodden32:45

        My, my favorite random funny thing like that, there's a guy still touring as far as I know in Canada called Mel Silverback. You ever hear of Mel Silverback?

    13. JRJoe Rogan32:54

        No.

    14. ABAlonzo Bodden32:54

        Mel Silverback, half Jew, half silverback mountain gorilla.

    15. JRJoe Rogan32:59

        Mm.

    16. ABAlonzo Bodden33:00

        And he would wear the tuxedo with the big ruffled shirt, like the old Catskills comics, and he wore gorilla hands and a gorilla head. (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan33:08

        (laughs)

    18. ABAlonzo Bodden33:08

        I'm telling you. And he would do these old Catskills ty- style jokes that-

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:14

        With a gorilla mask on?

    20. ABAlonzo Bodden33:15

        Oh, man, Joe.

    21. JRJoe Rogan33:16

        (laughs)

    22. ABAlonzo Bodden33:16

        We, we, he auditioned for Last Comic when I was a judge. We were falling out of your ... "Jane Goodall, she's a whore!"

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:24

        (laughs)

    24. ABAlonzo Bodden33:24

        "You should've seen her with those chimps, it was disgusting." Like, he would do ... (laughs) And apparently, he's a thing in Canada, like he's a late night dirty comic t- tours Canada. But, but it was the dumbest thing, but to see it, I mean, we were pounding on the table.

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:40

        (laughs)

    26. ABAlonzo Bodden33:40

        We could not breathe 'cause he's the ... It was all old, cheap one-liners-

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:45

        Mm.

    28. ABAlonzo Bodden33:45

        ... like the Catskills and, and he had the suit and, and he was a, a gorilla. And he would put it all in ... So, it was all from a silverback mountain gorilla point of view.

    29. JRJoe Rogan33:56

        (laughs)

    30. ABAlonzo Bodden33:56

        Like, "What's your point of view?" Silverback mountain gorilla-
13. 43:52 – 1:11:30

    Music rabbit hole: Queen, jazz’s evolution, and hip-hop’s creative roots

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       Yes.

    2. ABAlonzo Bodden43:52

       Like, as they make these movies, right? So now people are gonna want to be-

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:57

       They want overbites.

    4. ABAlonzo Bodden43:58

       ... that. Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:58

       They wanna get an overbite.

    6. ABAlonzo Bodden44:00

       Yeah, I gotta be-

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:00

       Get some front teeth.

    8. ABAlonzo Bodden44:00

       ... I gotta be Freddie Mercury. Can you, can you mess up these teeth?

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:03

       Yeah. They probably have to wear fake teeth.

    10. ABAlonzo Bodden44:05

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        << Buddy, you're a young man >>

    12. ABAlonzo Bodden44:09

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        He had some crazy-ass teeth. What a talent that guy had, huh?

    14. ABAlonzo Bodden44:11

        But he said it... Yeah, it helped his voice. That w-

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        Really?

    16. ABAlonzo Bodden44:14

        It w- that's what he said, you know, in the movie, that he said he could sing at that range because of his shape of his mouth, which-

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        Whoa.

    18. ABAlonzo Bodden44:21

        ... may be true. I don't know. I don't know how it-

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:23

        How does he know? He didn't never s- he's never had a different shaped mouth.

    20. ABAlonzo Bodden44:26

        That's true.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        Yeah.

    22. ABAlonzo Bodden44:27

        Well, whatever it was, it worked.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:29

        He's making lemonade, that's what it is.

    24. ABAlonzo Bodden44:30

        Yeah. (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        He's taking... (laughs)

    26. ABAlonzo Bodden44:33

        But you're right, like, that talent, you know, that... Are there... Is... Who's like that now? Are there bands like that now, that, you know... Because they just... 'Cause Queen kept, like, every song was different.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:47

        Yeah.

    28. ABAlonzo Bodden44:47

        Like, you knew it was Queen, but it was completely different than the last hit that they did.

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:52

        Yeah.

    30. ABAlonzo Bodden44:52

        That's what was crazy about it.

Episode duration: 2:16:09