Joe Rogan Experience #1332 - Annie Lederman

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (humming) Hello, Annie. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Hello, Annie.

   2. ALAnnie Lederman0:04

      Hello-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Wait, but what is-

   4. ALAnnie Lederman0:06

      ... to Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      ... the leopard theme? You have leopard jackets, today you have a leopard top. Is this just coincidental or is there something to this?

   6. ALAnnie Lederman0:14

      Well, I'm a little bit white trash and I want every-... No, I don't know. I g-... I liked, I liked Married With Children.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      You can pull this up, you don't have to-

   8. ALAnnie Lederman0:20

      I'm a little bit, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... lay on your hand for that.

   10. ALAnnie Lederman0:21

       I know, I'm trying to get comfortable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Are you comfortable?

   12. ALAnnie Lederman0:24

       I don't know. Am I?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs)

   14. ALAnnie Lederman0:25

       I'm nervous.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       You seem comfortable.

   16. ALAnnie Lederman0:27

       Am I supposed to be-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       You're fine.

   18. ALAnnie Lederman0:28

       ... not nervous?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       You're fine.

   20. ALAnnie Lederman0:31

       I'm with the king. Anyway, okay. (smacks lips)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       So, leopard.

   22. ALAnnie Lederman0:34

       Leopard. I like Married With Children. I don't know. I always-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You like Married With Children? Peg Bundy?

   24. ALAnnie Lederman0:38

       Well, I was gonna go for Kelly, but thank you.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, Kelly. Okay.

   26. ALAnnie Lederman0:40

       I like Dumb and Slutty and, uh, no.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       (laughs)

   28. ALAnnie Lederman0:44

       I do have my friend who started pegging her boyfriend in my phone as Peg Bundy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Whoa.

   30. ALAnnie Lederman0:48

       That's her name.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      fiction e-books Wade, a pen name, has written about the legendary but sometimes, best sometimes known as Sasquatch. Each..." Legendary beast, uh, "each detailing a series of graphic and often violent sexual encounters-"

   2. ALAnnie Lederman15:13

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      "... between the ape-like creature and her female lovers." (clears throat)

   4. ALAnnie Lederman15:16

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Okay. Wa- Wade has made an exceptional living writing these stories. Wow. Okay, but why did they take 'em down?

   6. GUGuest15:24

      Let's see, let's see.

   7. ALAnnie Lederman15:24

      This reminds me of my friend from middle school's boyfriend who was Sicilian. He was just so hairy, and he looked...

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      It's been downloaded more than 100,000 times. Holy shit. That, that's five bucks. That means she made $500,000 (laughs) for that fucking shitty book.

   9. ALAnnie Lederman15:39

      For one hour of work.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       (laughs) Well, she made 70% of it at least. Okay.

   11. ALAnnie Lederman15:44

       Do you think... I, I bet you the other books didn't take as long either.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Wow, during her best months, she's m- netting $30,000 or more in a month writing Bigfoot jerk-off books.

   13. ALAnnie Lederman15:54

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Wow. Taken by pirates... Oh, she wra- r- w- r- she branched off into other genres.

   15. ALAnnie Lederman16:00

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       It's all just getting fucked. Taken by pirates, seduced by the dark lord, it's like getting fucked by demons and pirates and hilarious.

   17. ALAnnie Lederman16:09

       I, I'm getting traumatized. A traumatic thing is coming up for me right now.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       That's weird.

   19. ALAnnie Lederman16:13

       Do you wanna hear it?

   20. GUGuest16:14

       Uh-oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       What?

   22. ALAnnie Lederman16:15

       My mom wrote romance novels when I was-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Shut the fuck up.

   24. ALAnnie Lederman16:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       What kind?

   26. ALAnnie Lederman16:21

       They weren't-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Did you read 'em?

   28. ALAnnie Lederman16:22

       They were never published.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Whoa.

   30. ALAnnie Lederman16:23

       No, I didn't read them.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. ALAnnie Lederman30:00

      And then he would tell me, "Pretend you're... Lie and say you're 21," to be an extra on like Sex and the City and stuff. It just wasn't real. There was nothing real about it. It was a total scam. So I was starting to catch on to that and I was supposed to be there for maybe 10 days, I think. And they... These next door neighbors, Shorty, this little Puerto Rican lady, I don't... she was a girl I smoked blunts with there. But, um, so this guy Chris was kind of protecting me and he would go into the city with me and then all of a sudden Mahogany didn't like how close we were so he separated us and he said, "You can't see each other anymore." And I was like, "Well, I don't feel safe if I can't talk to this guy. I just would rather go home. I want to call my parents. I don't think this is real. This seems like bullshit and a scam." And he was like, "You can't talk to your parents." And he locked the door and took the phone away from me. So I packed all my shit up and I threw it out the window.And I yelled down to Shorty. I was like, "Yo, I'm gonna run, so grab my shit." And then the guy, one of the other kids that was staying at the modeling place knew the situation, so he went down and bumped into the door, unlocked it without him noticing, and distracted him, and I just jetted out of the fucking house. And he started chasing me. I was, like, screaming. I was like, "Call the cops. Help me, help me!" And I was wearing a tube top. My, like, 15-year-old titties, I had nipple rings-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:08

      (laughs)

   3. ALAnnie Lederman31:08

      ... were, like, hanging out. I mean, I looked like a prostitute. The cops ended up coming, and they thought I was a prostitute. Mahogany got me at one point. I was hiding under cars for my life. Like, I thought I was gonna get killed. I was, like, screaming. People were just watering their plants like, "What the fuck?" And then they, like, produced-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:21

      You were hiding under cars?

   5. ALAnnie Lederman31:22

      Yeah, 'cause he was chasing me.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      Did he-

   7. ALAnnie Lederman31:24

      So I was trying to hide. And he finally got me. He was like, "Get in the hou-..." Like, "You're ruining my scam," pretty much. And then he scratched my arm, but that's all. And then the cops came and arrested both of us, thought he was my pimp. Thought I was a prostitute. I come from like a...

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:36

      Phew.

   9. ALAnnie Lederman31:37

      Like a, a middle-class family.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       What did your moms say when you came home?

   11. ALAnnie Lederman31:40

       Um, well they came to the cops, and then the cops told them that they should arrest my parents.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Yeah.

   13. ALAnnie Lederman31:45

       They're like, "We should..." And I think they just were in denial about it or whatever.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       They should've arrested them, for a day at least.

   15. ALAnnie Lederman31:51

       Yeah, they did. And, and then more stuff happened after that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       What? They made more mistakes?

   17. ALAnnie Lederman31:56

       Yeah. But it's okay. We all make mistakes. I love my family.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       That's cool.

   19. ALAnnie Lederman32:00

       They're good now. But I also look at all these things... No, I really, like, have had to do a lot of work on it, because-

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       To forgive them?

   21. ALAnnie Lederman32:08

       Yeah. Because, well, I blame myself for all of it, for most of it, which was my defense mechanism, like the stuff... I had some stuff happen with a teacher in high school, too, right after that, actually. It was about six months after that happened. And, uh, you know-

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Is this a therapy session?

   23. ALAnnie Lederman32:22

       I don't wanna do a therapy session.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       (laughs)

   25. ALAnnie Lederman32:24

       I don't wanna do that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       (laughs)

   27. ALAnnie Lederman32:25

       But anyway, you had asked me about-

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       I know.

   29. ALAnnie Lederman32:27

       ... am I happy about these things? And so-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       Yeah, because it's a wild life.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I don't believe so.…

   1. ALAnnie Lederman45:00

      to get a boner?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      I don't believe so. Um, I think-

   3. ALAnnie Lederman45:02

      Oh my God, so he maybe wasn't molesting them but he was just ...

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      He could've been just being weird with them. I don't know. Who ... Maybe he didn't do anything with them. Maybe he just wanted to be a child. Maybe his childhood was stripped from him because he was famous from the time he was five fucking years old and his father did something to him.

   5. ALAnnie Lederman45:17

      Yeah, definitely was a weird life.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      According to the doctor, his d- his father did s- did something to him, like chemical castration is what they do to pedophiles.

   7. ALAnnie Lederman45:25

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      They'll do it to pedophiles so that they can never get erections, and it b- it basically stops your body's production of testosterone and kills your testes. And they do it with some, some chemical injection, and apparently, according to the doctor, that's what they did to Michael Jackson. Which, you think about his voice, it makes sense.

   9. ALAnnie Lederman45:42

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Because his voice was insane.

   11. ALAnnie Lederman45:44

       Yeah, it was so high.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       It was so high-pitched and if you listen to like castratos, those, uh ... There's o- there's only a few recordings of actual castratos, but it was a common practice. Not common, it wasn't like everybody did it, but it was a practice that was done to young boys to preserve their high-pitched voice, where they would fucking castrate them.

   13. ALAnnie Lederman46:02

       What a word.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Horrible.

   15. ALAnnie Lederman46:04

       Castrato.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       But they did it ... I mean people would let their children get the- either balls chopped off just so they could sing good.

   17. ALAnnie Lederman46:11

       So they would sep-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       And they would, you know, it'd be very valuable to them.

   19. ALAnnie Lederman46:13

       How long, how long ago was that?

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       Well, there's a recording. So the recording, uh, I don't think they had recordings until like the late 1800s, I don't believe. But-

   21. ALAnnie Lederman46:24

       There was a lot of dance back in the day.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       When was that?

   23. ALAnnie Lederman46:26

       A lot of boys dancing for kings.

   24. GUGuest46:27

       When was that, uh ... Last one is 1922.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       1922 was the last castrato recording?

   26. GUGuest46:32

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       And how old was that dude?

   28. GUGuest46:35

       Mm ...

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       So he was probably born in the 1800s or something? (exhales)

   30. GUGuest46:40

       Yeah, well he, he died in that same year, so I don't know.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:09

   They're pacifists? …

   1. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:00

      were. The, they were, um, when did Quakerism start? I don't know.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      They're pacifists?

   3. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:04

      Yeah, they're pacifists. They believe that God's in the form of an inner light that's in everyone and everything.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Hmm.

   5. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:08

      So why would you fight? I mean, I agree with that just from hallucinogens and shit too. But, um, w- it's something I struggle with. Like, I have to look back at, you know, childhood predators, and I'm like, "Can I, I have to forgive these people because they are from the same light," I guess?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      What is the, what's the wacky thing with Quakers?

   7. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:24

      Um, Quakers are, well, it's just very, it's just, you sit in silence at the churches. There's two types, there's programmed and unprogrammed. I was unprogrammed, which is the super chill one. There's no Bible talk, there's no preacher, there's nothing, you just sit in benches facing each other. My meeting house had-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

      I don't... Wait, wait-

   9. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:39

      ... these old creaky-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Hold on. Psh, explain. What are you talking about?

   11. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:42

       So it's a, like a, it's a meeting house, that you meet up at the, on Sun-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       You just stare at each other?

   13. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:46

       ... on Sundays. Yeah, or you look down at your hands, you don't really look at each other. But you s- you sit, there's facing benches, and then there's, you know, benches here, so you are kind of all looking at e- you're facing each other.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       And what do you do?

   15. ALAnnie Lederman1:00:59

       You sit in silence, and then if you feel moved to speak, it's supposed to be God speaking through you, but if you just feel moved to speak at all, you just stand up and you say whatever you want.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Wow.

   17. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:06

       And so...

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       And you're not, you're not reading scripture or...

   19. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:08

       Mm-mm. I mean, some people, every once in a while, someone would do that growing up, but I went to a Quaker school too when we were...Little kids, we used to have to sit in silence for, like, 45 minutes, which was impossible. I had such bad ADD. It was insane. I would wear shirts that had, like, things on it I could play with.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       (laughs)

   21. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:22

       Like, I had a shirt with a phone and it had, like, a cord. And I would just wear it and I would set alarms and sit on my alarm so it wouldn't go off. I just had to be doing stuff. It was crazy. You're just so little and you're just-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Well, people are so-

   23. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:32

       ... sitting there silently.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       ... bored. Little kids-

   25. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:34

       Insane.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       ... get so bored, you know? And what's the first thing they do? They try to medicate them because-

   27. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:38

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       ... they hate the fact they're so bored.

   29. ALAnnie Lederman1:01:40

       Well, I got medicated too. We did Ritalin and stuff.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       Oh, no.

Episode duration: 1:59:37