Joe Rogan Experience #1337 - Dan Crenshaw

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Yeah. Trident there. …

   1. DCDan Crenshaw0:00

      Yeah. Trident there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Yeah, this one is from, uh, Goggins. David Goggins gave me this one.

   3. DCDan Crenshaw0:08

      That's his coin?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Yeah, he's got his own coin.

   5. DCDan Crenshaw0:10

      Okay, so he's got-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      You need a Dan Crenshaw coin, bro.

   7. DCDan Crenshaw0:12

      I do. This is kind of a big coin.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      It's a fat one. It's not one you can really carry in your pocket.

   9. DCDan Crenshaw0:17

      No, no.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       So it stays on the desk.

   11. DCDan Crenshaw0:18

       He's, he's really trying to outdo everybody else's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       (laughs) That's David-

   13. DCDan Crenshaw0:21

       ... coin.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       That's David Goggins. (laughs)

   15. DCDan Crenshaw0:24

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       (laughs) The uncommon amongst uncommon men, even with your fucking coins. (laughs)

   17. DCDan Crenshaw0:28

       Oh, dude. Jesus.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       So what's-

   19. DCDan Crenshaw0:30

       That coin, that coin's not gonna be that big. I'm still working on it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Are you gonna get a coin for real?

   21. DCDan Crenshaw0:34

       W- we are, yeah. We-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah.

   23. DCDan Crenshaw0:34

       ... we're way behind the power curve on this. We need one. It's all about, you know, you gotta get the right symbology in there. You got the right amount of Texas, right amount of SEAL, the right amount of Congress.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   25. DCDan Crenshaw0:43

       It's all, you know, pack that into the right symbology, so...

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah. Test different ingredients.

   27. DCDan Crenshaw0:48

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Try it over and over again-

   29. DCDan Crenshaw0:49

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       ... till you get the bacon right.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That's 100% right. Yeah.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      bases over there.

   2. DCDan Crenshaw15:01

      That's 100% right. Yeah. I mean, and you, you need, you need that relationship with the host nation, of course, that you wanna partner with, and that's generally what we do, especially in the special operations community. When we're in a hundred plus countries, we're there to partner with them. We're not there doing our own thing. We're there partnering and training and, and equipping and, and enhancing their capabilities. So that, that's part of what we're doing. The n- the other part is just knowledge. We want to know what's happening. If we don't know what's happening, why do, why do we have embassies everywhere?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      Mm-hmm.

   4. DCDan Crenshaw15:29

      And part of that is just relationships and knowledge and understanding of what's going on, because we can't look at it from afar and actually get it. Uh, it just, it's, it doesn't work that way. So, and, and, and again, and I'm, I'm not ... I think it is reactionary to just assume that we have bad intentions all the time and that everything is America's fault. I hear that constantly. Um, mostly coming from the left, but, but that isolationist sentiment certainly comes from the right as well. And, uh, and it's a reaction. It's a reaction to the Iraq War and some of the mistakes we made there. It's a reaction to Vietnam. It's never, that's never left the American psyche-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      Mm-hmm.

   6. DCDan Crenshaw16:04

      ... uh, in many ways. But these, these matters are complex, and they, they deserve complex reasoning and analysis and a little nuanced understanding. And I, I just think that's how we should look at it. We don't, we don't say that we're always right. That's, that's not what I'm saying. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      Right. It's ... No one gets really educated on it. It's not like there's a cursory, uh, you know, examination of this that's given to the American person, like, when they sign up to register to vote. It's like you, you don't say, "Okay, before you vote, let's explain to you what's going on, and this is why there's bases here, and this is why we do this." And-

   8. DCDan Crenshaw16:38

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:39

      ... I mean, not even as a real simple explanation of these things. It's just you have to go searching for it, or you have to rely on political pundits who usually have a bias-

   10. DCDan Crenshaw16:49

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       ... one way or the other. It's MSNBC or it's Fox News, and it's-

   12. DCDan Crenshaw16:53

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       ... you know, you, you don't know where the reality is.

   14. DCDan Crenshaw16:56

       You can apply ... And you can imply that to not just our foreign policy, it's every issue.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Yes.

   16. DCDan Crenshaw17:00

       You know, why are things the way they are? It's, it's a really good question to ask. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Yeah.

   18. DCDan Crenshaw17:04

       When we're trying to find the solutions for the things we don't like, the first question we should ask is, "Why are things the way they are?" And that question really gets manipulated, uh, again, on any issue. And, um, it, it is unfortunate. How do we fix that? I don't know. My, my message wh- when, like, high school kids are asking me how do they get involved in politics, and what I tell them is, "It's okay not to know things, first of all. And it's okay not to choose a side just yet." Right? Because there's, there's nothing wrong with your ignorance on the why behind this issue. Th- there's nothing wrong with that. You're young, you don't have the experiences yet, it's fine. But there is something wrong with having a very strong opinion on that when you don't actually understand it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       Yes.

   20. DCDan Crenshaw17:44

       That's, that's what creates the animosity. That's what creates the divisiveness. Because once you're emotionally attached to an opinion, it's, it, it's not easy to, to remove yourself from that. Uh, it, it takes a, a massive amount of, of, I think humility, um, and which is, it's an attribute we all aspire to but maybe don't have exactly. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       Yeah.

   22. DCDan Crenshaw18:04

       Uh, and it's hard. And so, uh, it's, it's okay not to know and to ask questions and to just wonder and to think, "Uh, maybe what I'm hearing isn't exactly the whole truth. Maybe I'll look into it before I start posting on social media about how,"-... how awful that situation is or, or whatever.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       People love to know, you know, even if they don't. They l- they love to be the person that has the information. And one of the things that social media has done is, uh, allowed this sort of text-based debate format where people can shut people down. "Wrong." And say this.

   24. DCDan Crenshaw18:31

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       "The problem with that is this and this." And everybody wants to be correct about things because they're married to these ideas. If these ideas succeed, they succeed.

   26. DCDan Crenshaw18:40

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:40

       If they, they get a zinger off on someone-

   28. DCDan Crenshaw18:42

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       ... in some sort of online political debate, they walk around with, like a fucking, like a peacock, strutting.

   30. DCDan Crenshaw18:47

       Absolutely.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, I don't ...…

   1. DCDan Crenshaw30:00

      actually quit. You gave up on yourself. And that's ... And, um, and nobody, nobody can really judge that for you, and I, I just, and that ... I think that's an important lesson, and that's how you make it through BUD/S, 'cause you never had a choice.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Yeah, I don't ... Yeah, I don't think there's, uh, uh, a way you can get through what I've heard described and while having a plan B, like, "I hope I get through this, but if I don't, I've got, you know, I'm gonna open this pizza place with my cousin and ... "

   3. DCDan Crenshaw30:22

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      I always talk about it like bandwidth, and I always say to people, like, "If you wanna really do something, you only have a c-" like, let's call, let's like pretend you have, uh, like a certain amount of juice. Like, your juice is 100, and when it's fully on, you have 100. Well, if you take 30 of it and you put it towards this, and another 20 and you put it towards that, well guess what? You think you're all in, but you're really only 50% in, because you've got all this-

   5. DCDan Crenshaw30:45

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      ... 50% of your juices, s- d- on all these different things. You gotta be 100% involved in what you're trying to do at your best.

   7. DCDan Crenshaw30:52

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:53

      If you're not ... Like, for fighting, that's a big one. When I tell guys, uh, uh, there's a lot of guys that I know that are kinda one foot in, one foot out, and I'm like, "Get out."... get out 'cause there's a fucking animal out there.

   9. DCDan Crenshaw31:03

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       There's some Mike Tyson when he was 20 years old and he's gonna rearrange your liver.

   11. DCDan Crenshaw31:07

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Like, don't do it. Get out now because there's people that are all in. And when you're half in, those people that are all in, you become their highlight reel.

   13. DCDan Crenshaw31:15

       That's a good... That's probably good advice. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       It's the best advice.

   15. DCDan Crenshaw31:19

       (laughs) It's the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       It's the best advice.

   17. DCDan Crenshaw31:19

       ... best advice. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       You, you see it. You see guys that are just starting to think, "Well, maybe one more fight," and like, "Fuck. Stop."

   19. DCDan Crenshaw31:25

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       "Just stop now."

   21. DCDan Crenshaw31:25

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       "Don't do it."

   23. DCDan Crenshaw31:26

       That's how you get hurt.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Yeah. It's, um, it's, uh, it's an interesting thing because of this world where there are so many people that are teaching lessons, that are teaching, you know, what you got... But then there's real ones like Jocko, you know? Like b- w- when a, when a guy like Jocko says something, everybody listens-

   25. DCDan Crenshaw31:42

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       ... 'cause he's done it.

   27. DCDan Crenshaw31:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       Like, this is real shit. And, you know, you see his watch every morning on his Instagram, 4:30 in the morning.

   29. DCDan Crenshaw31:49

       So annoying.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       He's up. (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      is a woman named, uh... I think it's s- Morgan Murph- Megan Murphy. Megan Murphy is her name. She's a... what's called a trans-exclusion- exclu- exclusionary? What's the word?

   2. DCDan Crenshaw45:11

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Why- why are my heart... Exclusionary. Trans-exclusionary radical feminist, a TERF. And she was in an- a debate with... sh-

   4. DCDan Crenshaw45:19

      I- I don't blame you for not being able to remember that. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      Trans-exclusionary, but exclusionary is a weird word. She was in a debate with people about whether or not trans women should be able to invade feminist women's spaces, so a person who's biologically male-

   6. DCDan Crenshaw45:34

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      ... who becomes a female later in life should be able to make decisions in feminist debates and deci- and- and- and she's-

   8. DCDan Crenshaw45:41

      Right, and get into their sports and all that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:43

      So she says... Yes, the sports is the big one for me. P- particularly fighting.

   10. DCDan Crenshaw45:47

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       She says, "But a man is never a woman." This is what she says.

   12. DCDan Crenshaw45:52

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       So Twitter asks her-

   14. DCDan Crenshaw45:54

       Real-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       ... to take it down.

   16. DCDan Crenshaw45:54

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       So she takes a screenshot of that. She takes it down, takes a screenshot of it, and reposts it, like, "Fuck you." Like, "I'm gonna p- put it back up again this way."

   18. DCDan Crenshaw46:02

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       They ban her for life. For life. You know who's on Twitter with no problems? OJ Simpson!

   20. DCDan Crenshaw46:08

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       OJ Simpson murdered two people. He fucking went to jail for armed kidnapping and he's on-

   22. DCDan Crenshaw46:15

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       ... TV. He's on every day. "Hello to the world."

   24. DCDan Crenshaw46:17

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       He's fine.

   26. DCDan Crenshaw46:18

       Hamas, a- among other things, too.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Hamas is-

   28. DCDan Crenshaw46:20

       (laughs) I mean, I- like, that's-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       This... M- Megan Murphy, she says, "A man is not a woman." She's fucking correct biologically.

   30. DCDan Crenshaw46:27

       Yes.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:52

   So you can't hack…

   1. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:00

      and we're working a lot with... The DHS is working a lot with local authorities to even improve upon that a lot. So they were going in the right direction.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      So you can't hack dangling Chads? Remember those things?

   3. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:11

      Dangling Chads. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      What were those... What was it called, those, those things that hung- Uh, that... It was just a hanging Chad. Hanging? Yeah, just hanging chad. Just hanging? Wasn't dangling? It could have been both. I don't know.

   5. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:19

      (laughs) That's totally different.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      Do you remember that?

   7. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:20

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      It was like, like they weren't exactly sure whether or not a vote counted. They had to, like, examine them.

   9. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:25

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       That seems like a silly way to... I mean, d- if we could do banking online, why can't we vote online? I mean, isn't, isn't there a way-

   11. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:33

       Well-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       ... to make something where it's hack-proof? Is that possible?

   13. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:36

       Uh, it might be. It, it, it might be. Again, um, but now you're getting into a problem with, with identity. You know, again, there's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Right.

   15. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:44

       A lot of people believe you shouldn't even have any voter IDs. I think that's crazy.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       That seems crazy.

   17. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:47

       I think we use IDs all the time. I think you should have an ID to register so we know it's you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Right. Of course.

   19. DCDan Crenshaw1:00:52

       And then you should have an... Uh, you should just show your ID when you vote.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       But what, what I'm saying is, like, would it, wouldn't it be a better thing if more people voted? Or do you think that it's better if only the people motivated to vote and participate vote the way we're doing it now, where you have to register within a certain amount of time and you have to show up at an actual polling place?

   21. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:08

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Do you think that's better?

   23. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:09

       It, it's not self-evident to me that by nature of more people voting things will get better. Uh, I'd like them to go vote. I'd like them to put in the work and the civic- and to do their civic duty and to get educated and go vote. I would like them to do that. But that's a separate discussion from just...... from, from removing safeguards on our elections just to ge- make it easier for them to do what is already quite easy. I mean, and there's, there's this weird argument against this, like, "It's so hard to vote, we're so suppressed." There's just no evidence of that. And I- it's just a-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       It's not hard, but it's not as easy as it could be if you could just register online.

   25. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:42

       Yeah, I mean, I could make a million things easier but th- again, that remove safeguards that, that, that, that create safe elections and, and, and, and elections that we can have faith in, and this is a very important thing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       Mm-hmm.

   27. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:53

       If a-a-and, and I think you see this when you have this discussion with people, they're already on edge-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:58

       Right.

   29. DCDan Crenshaw1:01:58

       ... about whether their vote really counts because, you know, some people think illegals are voting. Again, there's not a huge amount of evidence for that, either. It does happen, but it's, it's not-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       How can illegals vote? D- I mean, don't-

Episode duration: 2:36:10