Joe Rogan Experience #1346 - Zuby

1. 0:03 – 3:18

   First time in LA: city chaos, travel impressions, and podcast run

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      And we're live. What's going on, brother? How are you?

   2. ZUZuby0:05

      I'm awesome, man. It's good to be here.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to have you here, man.

   4. ZUZuby0:08

      Thank you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      I've never had a guy come and wear his own hat and his own T-shirt. You're number one. You're the first.

   6. ZUZuby0:13

      I'm, I'm surprised by that

   7. JVJamie Vernon0:14

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      ... given how many podcasts you've done, but, uh, that's how I roll. I don't know if anybody's ever come and wearing their own shirt. Jamie?

   9. JVJamie Vernon0:20

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Any thoughts?

   11. JVJamie Vernon0:22

       Someone has to have.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Someone has to have, I just can't recall it.

   13. JVJamie Vernon0:25

       Yeah, I don't know off the top of my head.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Definitely no one has worn their own hat and their own shirt.

   15. ZUZuby0:28

       Oh, yeah?

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Maybe Eddie's worn his own shirt, but that's a 10th Planet shirt, that doesn't totally count.

   17. ZUZuby0:33

       It's a shirt with my face on it, too, so...

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       That's a triple whammy.

   19. ZUZuby0:36

       (laughs)

   20. JVJamie Vernon0:37

       Ari?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Ari?

   22. JVJamie Vernon0:38

       Wanna get a new shirt or something?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Maybe.

   24. JVJamie Vernon0:40

       Maybe. I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       I don't think so. Maybe. Anyway, what's going on, man? How long you here for?

   26. ZUZuby0:45

       I'm all good, man. I'm in LA for two weeks. It's my very first time here, so I just got here two days ago, so just kinda soaking it in.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       What's the mind fuck like? It's crazy, huh?

   28. ZUZuby0:54

       It's weird, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   30. ZUZuby0:55

       I feel like, uh, I was driving ar- I was driving around just in an Uber, and it feels like GTA. I think more like GTA feels like LA, 'cause that's what it's based on. But, uh, it was just kinda trippy. And, uh-
2. 3:18 – 6:30

   The women’s powerlifting stunt: trans categories, biology, and fairness in sport

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      What about you? Did you get any-

   2. ZUZuby3:19

      Myself.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      For people don't know, uh, Zuby won the World Championships in women's powerlifting.

   4. ZUZuby3:26

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      Um, you identified as a woman for a brief period of time.

   6. ZUZuby3:29

      Yeah, nine seconds.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:29

      Just to lift. That's all you have to do.

   8. ZUZuby3:31

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:31

      I mean, this is the world we live in.

   10. ZUZuby3:33

       Dude, that, that thing blew the internet up.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       (laughs)

   12. ZUZuby3:35

       Like, it's crazy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       We were laughing.

   14. ZUZuby3:36

       ... it's insane how far it went, man. Yeah, no, I saw that. People, uh...

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       There it is. Let's, we should, we...

   16. ZUZuby3:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       "PSI identifies as a woman whilst lifting the weight. Don't be a bigot." (laughs)

   18. ZUZuby3:44

       You know, I think, I think when you first talked about that, I had like 40,000 followers. It's now well over 100 and, 115. And when I posted it, I had 15,000 followers. So I've gained a hundred and, I've gained like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       102,000 followers.

   20. ZUZuby3:58

       Yeah, like 105 thou- 105,000 followers since that video.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       It worked. Congratulations.

   22. ZUZuby4:03

       Yeah, thanks, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       But it really does highlight how preposterous these new w- world rules that we have regarding gender are. But, uh, to their credit, the US Powerlifting Federation, I believe that's the name of the organization, they just banned transgender women from competing.

   24. ZUZuby4:21

       Mm-hmm. Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       They said, "Stop."

   26. ZUZuby4:23

       Just outright. Just flat.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       There's enough, enough of that.

   28. ZUZuby4:25

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       I think if you wanna compete... I don't think there's anything wrong with transgender women competing, but I think they should compete against transgender women. Just like how we have men compete against men and we have women compete against women.

   30. ZUZuby4:35

       Mm-hmm.
3. 6:30 – 7:36

   New album, merch, and a short fitness book: training, nutrition, mindset

   1. ZUZuby6:30

      Yeah, it's a bad idea. Oh, oh, by the way, I, I brought a couple things for you, man.

   2. JVJamie Vernon6:33

      Okay.

   3. ZUZuby6:34

      Just, uh... So that's, uh...

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      Is it a Zuby T-shirt?

   5. ZUZuby6:36

      It's my latest album.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:37

      Oh, there we go.

   7. ZUZuby6:37

      That is a Zuby T-shirt. That one actually glows in the dark.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      It glows in the dark?

   9. ZUZuby6:41

      It does. The T of Zuby glows in the dark.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       Is it good for the environment?

   11. ZUZuby6:43

       Uh, hopefully.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Does it kill turtles? Does it kill turtles?

   13. ZUZuby6:45

       Um, not that aggressively.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       (laughs)

   15. ZUZuby6:47

       And that's, uh, my new fitness book there as well.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Oh, you have a book?

   17. ZUZuby6:50

       I'm sure you alre- you already know all that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Oh, no shit, man.

   19. ZUZuby6:51

       But, uh, yeah, man.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       What is, um... Is it basic... Oh, it's workout routines and-

   21. ZUZuby6:55

       Yeah, it's just giving people what they need to know about, uh, nutrition, training, mindset, motivation. I just wanted to keep it brief and concise, all the stuff that I think is most important that people need to know, whether they're beginners or intermediates.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Oh, this is a good-sized book to read.

   23. ZUZuby7:09

       Yeah, I put it out first as an e-book, but then, um, a lot of people asked me to do a physical copy, so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       Oh, that's cool.

   25. ZUZuby7:14

       ... I did those just before leaving the UK, and they've essentially sold out already, so...

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       Nice. Congratulations on that.

   27. ZUZuby7:19

       You're welcome.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       All you lazy fucks, get out there. This is a good book for you because it's short, you don't have to... When people see a fat book, they're like, "Oh, too much work."

   29. ZUZuby7:28

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       But this is, uh, not even 100 pages. It's 86... What is it? Uh, 93 pages.
4. 7:36 – 10:37

   Zuby’s background: UK-born, raised in Saudi, Nigerian roots, rugby and lifting

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      We can all, we can all benefit. What is, what is your background athletically?

   2. ZUZuby7:40

      Athletically, um, I used to actually play rugby.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      Oh.

   4. ZUZuby7:43

      Yeah, so I- I don't know how much you know about my background. So I was born in the UK, I grew up in Saudi Arabia. So when I lived-

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:50

      Oh.

   6. ZUZuby7:50

      Yeah, when I lived in Saudi, um, I used to play baseball and football, or what you guys would call soccer. And, um, those were my sort of main sports. I also did swimming and a bunch of other things. And then I went to the UK for boarding school, actually, when I was 11 years old.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Dude.

   8. ZUZuby8:05

      And, uh, there's no, there's no baseball there, so I... Yeah, rugby became my main sport. I started playing rugby when I was 11 years old, and I played that all the way through to university. And I got into just lifting weights and stuff when I was in my mid-teens.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:21

      I have a friend who's British and he says that that is way more common in, in Europe, in the UK, sending kids off to boarding school.

   10. ZUZuby8:29

       Um, yeah, I do, I do think so. Um, I mean, with me, it was largely because I was in the American sys- school system in Saudi Arabia. So after fifth grade, be- 'cause there's a little bit of a transition between the two systems, they're, they're quite different. So it was thought that if I'd stayed all the way up until ninth grade, then it would be a little bit difficult for me to transition into the British school system and university system. So my parents decided, when I was 11, same with my, my older siblings, like we all went to boarding school when we were pretty young. So yeah, came, came back over to the UK and was kind of back and forth between the two countries for several years. And yeah, did things that way. But, um...

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       Were you... Was your dad in the military or something?

   12. ZUZuby9:09

       No, my dad's actually a medical doctor.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       Oh, okay.

   14. ZUZuby9:11

       Yeah, he's a medical doctor, but, um, he worked for a, a big oil company out in Saudi. So we lived there for a couple of, you know, two decades pretty much.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       What was that like?

   16. ZUZuby9:19

       I enjoyed growing up in Saudi, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Really?

   18. ZUZuby9:21

       Yeah, yeah, I actually really liked it. Uh, it's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       What was, what was it like?

   20. ZUZuby9:24

       It's weird, it reminds me of LA. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       (laughs)

   22. ZUZuby9:27

       I'm being, I'm being serious.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Why? A lot of hos?

   24. ZUZuby9:29

       Yeah, it's just be- (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       He lost his headphones.

   26. ZUZuby9:32

       If there are... I wasn't ready for that. If there are, then you don't really, you don't really see them. Um, no, but just, uh, I think the, the heat and the, the way, the way the roads are, the way it looks, actually.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Really?

   28. ZUZuby9:45

       Yeah. 'Cause if you live, uh... Like, where I lived was sort of an expat community, basically. So we lived kind of in a compound. So where I lived was a little bit of a, little bit of a bubble. And then outside of that, you kind of got what, what I'd call the real, the real Saudi. So if you go out into the city or you wanna go shopping or something like that, then you're out there in the real city. So it's, it's very, very different. Um, it's interesting with me because my, my family background's originally from Nigeria, but then I was born in England. I live in England now, but I lived in Saudi Arabia for 19 years or so. So I've kind of had exposure, a lot-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       Mm-hmm.

   30. ZUZuby10:18

       ... to, to three different, three very different cultures and ways of doing things, and even laws and just the way society is structured and stuff like that. So I think it's given me a pretty interesting and unique perspective on quite a lot of things.
5. 10:37 – 17:38

   Nigerian scams and the “nonexistent airport” con: ingenuity, desperation, and gullibility

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      Nigeria is a strange spot, because I've never, I've never been, but when you look at the numbers of successful immigrants, like businessmen and people that have come over from Nigeria and how industrious they are, and then you look at how many successful Nigerian scammers there are-

   2. ZUZuby10:53

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:55

      ... it's a wise, s- very clever place.

   4. ZUZuby10:58

      You got the email from the prince too, huh?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      I didn't get it.

   6. ZUZuby11:00

      Okay.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      Well, I'm sure I have, but, um, the... What I was thinking about was Jamie was telling me a story yesterday about a guy who... What did he sell? Oh, he sold a nonexistent bank.

   8. JVJamie Vernon11:10

      Airport.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:11

      Airport.

   10. ZUZuby11:11

       To a bank.

   11. JVJamie Vernon11:13

       To a bank.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       Yeah.

   13. ZUZuby11:13

       To a bank.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       To a... That's right. He sold a nonexistent airport to a ban- There's been several stories over the last couple of weeks about Nigerian scammers making big scores.

   15. ZUZuby11:23

       Yeah, there's one that I think closed down a Brazilian bank. That they, they took so much of their money that the bank had to sh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       (laughs)

   17. ZUZuby11:29

       ... the bank had to shut down.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       What is it about Nigeria?

   19. ZUZuby11:31

       (laughs)

   20. JVJamie Vernon11:33

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       Why are they so good at that?

   22. ZUZuby11:34

       Uh, lot of, lot of smart and enterprising people. And I think if that's channeled in the right way, then that's a, a very good thing, but I think some people-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Well, obviously, there's... The resources are very limited, so they're, they're deciding to just go dark and f- scam people. But as a person who hasn't been a victim of this-

   24. ZUZuby11:51

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       ... it's quite amusing.

   26. ZUZuby11:52

       Yeah, I mean, if you see, if you see some of the stuff that, that can get pulled off, it's, uh, it- it's quite impressive, you know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       Pull that story up.

   28. ZUZuby11:59

       It is, it is very much like, man...

   29. JVJamie Vernon12:01

       It was actually 330 equivalent to American dollars, $330 million.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       (laughs) Jesus Christ.
6. 17:38 – 32:32

   Megachurches and “prosperity gospel”: when religion becomes a money machine

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:38

      That's true, but if you pay attention to televangelists.

   2. ZUZuby17:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:41

      Do you have those in the UK?

   4. ZUZuby17:43

      Not like the ones in the US.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:44

      (laughs)

   6. ZUZuby17:44

      In the US it's another level. You are, you, US, it's another level, man. Um...

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:50

      Everything's another level over here.

   8. ZUZuby17:51

      Yeah, everything's bigger, like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:52

      Yeah.

   10. ZUZuby17:53

       ... including... I mean, you got those megachurches and s-... I don't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Mm-hmm.

   12. ZUZuby17:56

       There's probably one or two megachurches out there in the UK or in Europe in general, but not-

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       One or two.

   14. ZUZuby18:03

       ... at this scale.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       That's it?

   16. ZUZuby18:04

       I don't know. I- I'm not even aware of any. I'm kind of hedging my bet saying there's probably a couple, but I'm not aware of any, not at this scale.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       How many megachurches do you think we have in America? How many do you think we just have in Texas?

   18. ZUZuby18:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       Texas might have a million of them. (laughs)

   20. ZUZuby18:18

       Yeah. Because, I mean, the guys who run those things, they're like-... I mean, they themselves just-

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       Joe- Joel Osteen's here.

   22. ZUZuby18:22

       Yeah, though, themselves are celebrities, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JVJamie Vernon18:25

       There's at least 10 'cause it says, here's an article about the 10 largest, so.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       In Texas?

   26. JVJamie Vernon18:29

       Yeah, just in Texas.

   27. ZUZuby18:30

       Wow.

   28. JVJamie Vernon18:32

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       (laughs)

   30. ZUZuby18:32

       Yeah, tho- those things are-
7. 32:32 – 1:08:43

   Presidents on stimulants: Trump slurring, JFK injections, and performance politics

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:32

      Yeah, and, you know, as time goes on, one of the things that I've been noticing, and, uh, I watched a David Pakman video the other day where David Pakman's pointing out Trump slurring his speech. (coughs) And I had no idea it was that bad.

   2. ZUZuby32:45

      Oh, really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:45

      I, I haven't seen it. I, I hadn't seen it. There was one time where he liter- I mean, literally, like, sh- he's fighting through... Like, say, if they, someone put you on pain medication, they said, "Hey, Zuby, you gotta make a phone call."

   4. ZUZuby32:56

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:56

      "Oh, this is really important. You're gonna talk to a bank." He'd be like, "Yes."

   6. ZUZuby33:00

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:00

      "That's me. Have you ever heard... God bless America."

   8. ZUZuby33:03

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:03

      Like, have you ever seen the video of him slurring?

   10. ZUZuby33:06

       I haven't, no, no.

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       Dude.

   12. ZUZuby33:07

       And it's not edited or anything.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's... He has a really hard time saying "God bless America."

   14. ZUZuby33:14

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:14

       And as Pakman pointed out, it looks like he's, like, wrestling with his tongue.

   16. ZUZuby33:17

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       There's something wrong.

   18. ZUZuby33:18

       Oh, fair enough. I mean, I, when I see him, I mean, that guy's got some crazy energy for... How old is he? 70-

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:23

       73.

   20. ZUZuby33:24

       73?

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Yeah.

   22. ZUZuby33:24

       That guy's got some, that guy's got energy, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       Yeah, it's called pills. (laughs)

   24. ZUZuby33:28

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:28

       He's medicated. Find, find-

   26. ZUZuby33:30

       That guy's got some energy. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       I, I'd be, uh, you know, you could fucking hop your grandma up on, on fucking speed too. She'd have all kinds of shit to say. (laughs)

   28. ZUZuby33:39

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:39

       Look, it's legal. You, you can get a doctor, "Doc, I'm suffering. I've, uh, I've got fatigue. I've, I, I, I have, uh, chronic fatigue." And the doctor go, "Well, good thing for you, we've got a thing called Adderall." And next thing you know-

   30. ZUZuby33:53

       You think that's what it is?
8. 45:39 – 52:39

   Comedy, activist media, and “canceling” narratives: Dave Chappelle backlash as a case study

   1. ZUZuby45:39

      Mm-hmm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      ... and the best evidence is Dave Chappelle.

   3. ZUZuby45:41

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:42

      Dave Chappelle's recent Sticks and Stones Netflix documentary-

   5. ZUZuby45:45

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:45

      ... for whatever reason, Rotten Tomatoes thought it would be a good idea to only have it reviewed by five super progressive critics.

   7. ZUZuby45:54

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:55

      Only critics.

   9. ZUZuby45:55

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       They closed it off to the public.

   11. ZUZuby45:57

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       And it got 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

   13. ZUZuby46:00

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       They then opened it to the public, and it got 99%.

   15. ZUZuby46:05

       Of course.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       If that doesn't show a crazy disparity between-

   17. ZUZuby46:09

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       ... first of all, the idea that you're gonna suppress it. Like you're gonna say it's 0% so no one's gonna watch it-

   19. ZUZuby46:14

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       ... and we're gonna shut Dave Chappelle down.

   21. ZUZuby46:16

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       He's canceled.

   23. ZUZuby46:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Fuck him. But people love him, right?

   25. ZUZuby46:19

       You can't cancel someone who doesn't care, man.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Well, you can't cancel Dave Chappelle.

   27. ZUZuby46:22

       No, you can't.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       But on top of that, th- like, th- th- th- how would they not understand that someone is going to know that you're not opening it up to the public?

   29. ZUZuby46:33

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:33

       And that once it does get opened to the public, you're gonna get a massive whiplash-
9. 52:39 – 58:14

   Big tech censorship and deplatforming: Twitter’s scale problem, bans, and radicalization

   1. ZUZuby52:39

      with myself and with other people and listening to what people are saying is people are starting to notice it a lot more. I know you've talked a lot about the online tech censorship and bias-

   2. JRJoe Rogan52:49

      Mm-hmm.

   3. ZUZuby52:49

      ... and stuff like that which is another thing that, again, I think if you went back 10 years ago, I don't think people thought that Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or any of these things were biased, whereas now in 2019 it's like, okay, you've got enough examples to see, okay, they're de- deplatforming a lot of people of certain political persuasions.

   4. JRJoe Rogan53:07

      Mm-hmm.

   5. ZUZuby53:07

      And then you've got other people who are outright calling for violence or just saying, like, crazy stuff or threatening people and they're fine, they're turning a blind eye to it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan53:17

      Yeah.

   7. ZUZuby53:17

      And it's so- it's just in your face and it's kinda like, well, this isn't me being a conspiracy theorist, it's just look, they've taken off that person, that person, that person, that person, but all these people are still there, so these rules are not being applied fairly.

   8. JRJoe Rogan53:32

      That- that's certainly the case and it's also certainly the case that they're trying to manage this stuff at scale.

   9. ZUZuby53:38

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan53:39

       Right? So they're trying to manage like, one of the things that I got from communicating with Jack Dorsey, the head of Twitter, is that-

   11. ZUZuby53:46

       You saw when he got hacked?

   12. JRJoe Rogan53:48

       Yes!

   13. ZUZuby53:49

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan53:49

       When the head of Twitter gets hacked, you're like, "Damn."

   15. ZUZuby53:52

       Oh, man. That was weird.

   16. JRJoe Rogan53:53

       Apparently they used a very simple way to do it, SMS text.

   17. ZUZuby53:58

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan53:58

       Because they used to have a system where you could send texts through, you know, to- to Twitter through text messages and they hacked it that way.

   19. ZUZuby54:06

       Yeah. That was so weird. I- I was on Twitter when it happened.

   20. JRJoe Rogan54:09

       Ugh.

   21. ZUZuby54:09

       I was like scrolling through my feed and I was like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan54:11

       What?

   23. ZUZuby54:11

       ... oh, wait (laughs) .

   24. JRJoe Rogan54:13

       (laughs)

   25. ZUZuby54:13

       I was like (laughs) , I was like wait, what's going on here? And it was just-

   26. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       Part of it is fun.

   27. ZUZuby54:17

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan54:17

       Right? Isn't it fun when someone like Jack gets hacked?

   29. ZUZuby54:20

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan54:21

       When someone like Jack gets hacked, it's like wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. The guy who's the fucking head of Twitter-
10. 58:14 – 1:03:17

    How social media breaks communication: pronouns in bios, misread tone, and anxiety features

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:14

       And it also ... (sighs) look, here's the reality, man. Twitter's a terrible way to communicate.

    2. ZUZuby58:20

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:20

       It's fucking terrible. Limited amount of text. Text is a terrible way to communicate.

    4. ZUZuby58:24

       True.

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:24

       I mean, we were just talking, Jamie and I were talking yesterday about, uh, disagreements that people have had that we know through emails.

    6. ZUZuby58:32

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:32

       Like that emails, like someone reads it wrong and then someone sends you a message, "Hey, you know, this guy is disrespecting me." And then you go and read it and you go, "What is going on here, man?"

    8. ZUZuby58:42

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:42

       'Cause people read into texts. They, they, they just decide that things in text mean certain things.

    10. ZUZuby58:50

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        They might not really be accurate.

    12. ZUZuby58:52

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:53

        I think that's a problem. And I think that the, the method of communication through Twitter is just a terrible method. Twitter is good for letting people know you got things coming up. Like, "Hey, I got an album out."

    14. ZUZuby59:05

        Yep. Bang.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:06

        Right there.

    16. ZUZuby59:07

        Perseverance.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:07

        Perseverance, Zuby.

    18. ZUZuby59:08

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:08

        Twitter's good for, uh, I love it for posting science stories.

    20. ZUZuby59:13

        Okay, yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:13

        And interesting st- stories.

    22. ZUZuby59:14

        Twitter's amazing. Twitter's the best social media platform by a mile.

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:17

        I don't interact with people anymore.

    24. ZUZuby59:19

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:19

        I don't even read it.

    26. ZUZuby59:20

        I don't blame you.

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:20

        I send things to the world that I think are interesting-

    28. ZUZuby59:23

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:23

        ... and I hope people enjoy it.

    30. ZUZuby59:24

        Yeah.
11. 1:03:17 – 1:17:23

    Selfies, validation culture, and body modification: from butt pics to ‘ab etching’

    1. ZUZuby1:03:17

       It's crazy. All this social media stuff. I feel like we're just right now in the middle of sort of the biggest experiment amongst humankind that's ever taken place, and we're, you know, we're all guinea pigs in it. Like, we have no idea what the long-term implications and repercussions of some of this stuff is gonna be. But it's like we're all just in here using all these different platforms, and, uh, I mean, you can already see some of the effects.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

       Yeah.

    3. ZUZuby1:03:38

       It's, uh ... It seems pretty well-documented that things like depression and anxiety are going up as use of social media goes up. I mean, literally during the introduction of it with the smartphones ... It's the combination of smartphones and social media-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:52

       Yeah.

    5. ZUZuby1:03:52

       ... I think, that does it. I don't think ... It's not smartphones alone, it's not social media alone. Like, when you had to go log in on a PC to use Myspace or Friendster or Hi5 or whatever, and then you go out the house, and you're no longer on it. It's just the fact people are constantly carrying it around and-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:06

       Yeah.

    7. ZUZuby1:04:07

       ... trying to get this validation, and, you know, you've got Instagram now talking about potentially removing likes or changing-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

       That's hilarious.

    9. ZUZuby1:04:13

       ... you know, YouTube removing views because they're seeing how it's affecting people and all this kinda stuff. And yeah, it's, uh, nuts.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

        That's not gonna work though. Th- the- the ... This is too late.

    11. ZUZuby1:04:22

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:22

        The box is open, you know? You're a grown-ass man, so for you, you can handle all this shit.

    13. ZUZuby1:04:29

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

        I think the real problem is kids.

    15. ZUZuby1:04:31

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

        Kids growing up being 13 and 14 and having Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and having a- anonymous people say really shitty things to them, anonymous friends or enemies at school.

    17. ZUZuby1:04:43

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

        That's a real issue. And Jonathan Haidt wrote a great book called The Coddling of the American Mind.

    19. ZUZuby1:04:48

        Great book.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        It's really good.

    21. ZUZuby1:04:49

        Great book, yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:50

        And it goes into that in depth, and it really made me fucking super nervous for my kids, like, the ... growing up and developing during this time where we have this, you know, sort of uncharted territory of social media. There's not, like, a lot of documented history of use, so we can go back to 100 years of people using social media-

    23. ZUZuby1:05:09

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:09

        ... and this is the way to do it healthily, and this is the way to ... You know, there's, there's people-

    25. ZUZuby1:05:13

        Yes.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:13

        ... that are just fucking tweeting all day long.

    27. ZUZuby1:05:15

        Yeah. It's just an experiment.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:16

        All day lo- And then going crazy, pulling their fucking hair out, taking pills, barely, barely getting by in this life, and just tweeting-

    29. ZUZuby1:05:23

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:23

        ... all day long.

Episode duration: 2:10:54