Joe Rogan Experience #1351 - Dan Aykroyd

Joe Rogan 0:02 And we're live with Dan Aykroyd, cutting oranges and doing a podcast at the same time.

Dan Aykroyd 0:07 Yes. It's, uh... It's kind of like, uh, walking from the... the tightrope, uh, between two buildings, chewing gum, and uh, and looking up at the... at the ceiling. Y- have you ever heard of the... the guy who, uh... He was a tightrope walker at the turn of the century, um, and he was very famous. Uh, I think... I, I forget. He was a French guy. He walked over Niagara Falls several times.

Joe Rogan 0:26 I know who you're talking about. Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 0:27 Uh, I... I... But, he was a French, uh, tightrope walker, and one of the things he did, Joe, was one... one morning, he said, "I'm gonna do this, but I'm gonna take my manager on my back. I'm gonna take a small stove, and I'm gonna cook him breakfast in the middle of the falls, right over the falls."

Joe Rogan 0:43 Oh, shit.

Dan Aykroyd 0:44 And this is recorded of him having... A- can you imagine the manager, you know, the conversation there? "Okay. You're gonna climb on my back. We're going to the middle of the falls. I'm gonna make you breakfast." "I love you. I love handling you. But no... What? Uh, really? I have to do this?" So, he took his manager on the back, out to the falls, cooked him eggs right there, and then walked to the other end of the falls with a stove, his manager all on his back.

Joe Rogan 1:04 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 1:04 I... This is like... You know, these are... these are feats that, uh, that we hear about.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Did he cook in the middle?

Dan Aykroyd 1:10 He cooked in the middle of the falls.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Oh.

Dan Aykroyd 1:11 He cooked b-... He cooked eggs, and I think flapjacks, and, uh, all while, uh, handling his manager on his back, and handling the stove, and the whole thing. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19 There's the images of it.

Dan Aykroyd 1:19 There... There he is. There yet, there. There. There's the manager. Look.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Oh, my goodness.

Dan Aykroyd 1:23 Yeah. Isn't that funny?

Joe Rogan 1:24 Where's he cooking?

Dan Aykroyd 1:25 Yeah. Blondie, that was his name. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26 I wanna see him cooking.

Dan Aykroyd 1:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27 They must have a photo.

Dan Aykroyd 1:28 They've got to have a photo.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Is that a wheelbarrow up there?

Dan Aykroyd 1:30 Yeah. Yeah, a wheelbarrow. He had the manager on his back. There he is, the manager on the back, you see, taking him across.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Jesus Christ.

Dan Aykroyd 1:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 That's how you earn your keep as a manager.

Dan Aykroyd 1:38 (laughs) I... I know. And... And... And I don't know whether... There. There he is. Look at the table-

Joe Rogan 1:41 Oh, my God.

Dan Aykroyd 1:41 ... and the chairs. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Oh, my God.

Dan Aykroyd 1:43 So, that's what we're kind of up to here today. And I know... I... When I came in, I... I saw the, uh, beautiful Bo Equipment and all your workout equipment. I was gonna bring my pinball gun, so I could bounce them off your stomach. But, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:53 You have a pinball gun?

Dan Aykroyd 1:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:55 What is a pinball gun?

Dan Aykroyd 1:56 Well, I'm just making it up here.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Oh (laughs) .

Dan Aykroyd 1:57 I know you've got a hard stomach there, and I could just see them bounce off. But I... Uh, and I said, you know, "Joe, do you have a knife for the oranges?" And I knew he had a really nice sharp hunting knife, and he hauls this out and, "Ah, here, here, here it is." So...

Joe Rogan 2:08 Tuckamore Custom Knives.

Dan Aykroyd 2:09 Oh, it's beautiful. Beautiful. Where are they out of?

Joe Rogan 2:11 I don't know. It was a gift from my friend Donny Vincent.

Dan Aykroyd 2:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Brought it in for me.

Dan Aykroyd 2:16 Yeah. 1,000 people died going over Niagara Falls, many of them suicides, and many of them, uh, you know, just, uh... just that... that went over in rafts, and that kid-

Joe Rogan 2:24 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 2:24 ... Roger who went over in a life jacket, and kids in barr-... uh, and people in barrels, who were actually intending to go over the falls and wanted to float down that far, and so-

Joe Rogan 2:32 One guy survived. He survived in a barrel.

Dan Aykroyd 2:33 A guy in the life jacket survived, and a couple of them in the barrels survived. But the... The tribe of, uh, of the Niagara Indians who lived at the... uh, the Indigenous natives who lived at the bottom of the falls were overweight. And why were they overweight? Because they didn't run through the forest hunting. They took all of the meat that came through the Niagara River and went over the falls and was dashed at the bottom of the falls, the bears, the wolves, the moose, all of them who... p-... who drowned in the falls, all this... this wildlife. And they just harvested the meat off the rocks at the bottom of the falls.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Oh, so they would just wait.

Dan Aykroyd 3:05 They would just wait. Exactly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:06 Wow.

Dan Aykroyd 3:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:07 How many things get stuck? That would seem like you'd be waiting a lot.

Dan Aykroyd 3:10 Uh-

Joe Rogan 3:10 Oh, man. These people- 40 people every year fall over, so-

Dan Aykroyd 3:13 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 3:13 Every year right now? Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 3:15 Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Oh, my God. 40?

Dan Aykroyd 3:18 But I love Upstate New York. I love Upstate-

Joe Rogan 3:20 It's gorgeous.

Dan Aykroyd 3:20 I... I love Niagara Falls, New York. It's beautiful, um, architecture from the '30s and stuff.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 3:26 And, uh, it's so... it's so neat up there. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:27 Yeah. It's a gorgeous part of the country.

Dan Aykroyd 3:29 Do you mind if I make a non-additive-

Joe Rogan 3:31 Please do.

Dan Aykroyd 3:31 ... vodka drink here for us? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 This is your vodka company, and you base it on... I know you are a... a huge fan of extraterrestrials, and one of the things I'm very excited to talk to you about is that. But this is, uh-

Dan Aykroyd 3:43 Sure. I brought you a book for... on all of that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Cool. This is based, uh, on the crystal skulls, right? This is-

Dan Aykroyd 3:49 Well, yeah. The package is based-

Joe Rogan 3:50 Look how gorgeous that is, folks.

Dan Aykroyd 3:51 Uh, package is based on the... on the crystal heads-

Joe Rogan 3:53 Oh.

Dan Aykroyd 3:53 ... because we wanted to s- sell the idea of purity, and you can see it's a nice, smiling little... happy little skull. It was designed by John Alexander, the great Texas artist. Uh, here's our, uh... This is our wheat version. We have corn in here, we have wheat in here. And there's no cleaner vodka, I must say, on the planet. We go to great lengths to make this a clean product. Not only is the bottle beautiful, but the unique fluid inside is what has got us to 70 countries, over 50 million bottles sold. We've won 12 gold medals. We won the Pridexpo in Moscow for excellent taste out of 400 beverages. And what we do is we take, uh, peaches and cream corn from Chatham, Ontario, and we put it in the truck in the mash, and we ship it 95% al-... uh, alcohol volume, uh, at that point. And we take it over, and we put it in the ferry boat, and we bring it over at the distillery in Newfoundland, Canada, the last... one of the last state-owned stills in the world. And why are we there? Because the water from the original Wisconsin glacier is-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Mm.

Dan Aykroyd 4:49 ... under Newfoundland. So-

Joe Rogan 4:50 Ah.

Dan Aykroyd 4:50 ... water is an... Vodka's an Old Russian word for water. And great-

Joe Rogan 4:54 Is it really?

Dan Aykroyd 4:54 Yeah. And great vodkas have sweet water. Um, I'm just gonna... I want you to just take a sip, and then I'm gonna make a nice crystal drop.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Oh, man. So, here we go.

Dan Aykroyd 5:00 But just, here's our notes.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Cheers, sir.

Dan Aykroyd 5:02 Just a sip. Yeah, cheers. Yeah, indeed. Hey, to our daughters.

Joe Rogan 5:05 To everybody's daughters.

Dan Aykroyd 5:06 Daughters and sons and daughters.

Joe Rogan 5:07 How about that? Everybody. Sons, daughters, mothers. It's very good.

Dan Aykroyd 5:13 Sweetness. Sweet vanilla, dry, crisp with a kick of heat off the finish are our notes from Anthony Dias Blue. We take that to the distillery in Newfoundland. We use the water there. We do not add flavor packs. Flavor packs are added to lesser vodkas. That's glycerides, sugars, terpenes, and we put them... Uh, they put them in these packages an- uh, and they... they put them into the vodka. We eliminated all of that, and we have no additives at all. This is C2H5O6, just absolute ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol, purified, distilled in... in a carbon filtration system, not the w- w- one with the hose where they just blow it through. No. We... We... We distill and we filter, and we pour it over, uh, Herkimer diamonds.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Diamonds?

Dan Aykroyd 5:54 Yep. Uh-

Joe Rogan 5:55 You pour it over diamonds?

Dan Aykroyd 5:56 We do. We... We pour it over the Herkimer semi-precious stone, and the Herkimer premi-... semi-precious stone is, uh, one of our last purification processes. Now, if you asked a high school professor, "What does pouring alcohol over diamonds do to the alcohol?" They'd probably say, "Well, nothing." But-... our stones, after certain pours, uh, a certain number of pours, they turn yellow. And we have't bleach them, clean them, or replace them. The Herkimer diamond is found in, uh, an- an- an anomalous area, uh, of Upstate New York, also in Afghanistan and Oaxaca, Mexico, uh, they're found. They're, they're little semiprecious double-ended crystals. And people love the taste of the vodka poured over the stones. Now-

Joe Rogan 6:32 D- is there a chemical reaction that causes the stones to turn yellow, or is it-

Dan Aykroyd 6:37 W- I, you know, again, you know, you'd have to sit with a chemistry pres- professor and say, "Why, why does the alcohol turn the, the crystals yellow? Is it doing anything, is it purifying it?" We've done flavor profiles where we, we pour it over the stones and give it to people, and we don't pour it over the stones and give it to the people, and they like it better poured over the stones. Now, why I like the Herkimer diamond is, of course, because it's near Griffiss Air Force Base, Rome, New York.

Joe Rogan 6:59 Dun, dun, dun.

Dan Aykroyd 6:59 Yeah, no, and that was where a lot of scrambles went up in the '70s and '80s against w- whatever was coming and going in, in the min- uh, in the mountains there, Pine Bluff, um, you know, or Pine Bush, New York.

Joe Rogan 7:11 A lot of UFO folklore going on.

Dan Aykroyd 7:12 Pine- Pine- Pine Bush, yeah, Pine Bush, New York. So I thought, this is great. Herkimer diamonds from that area, associated with ETs, the Navajo, the Aztec, the Anasazi, they said that these skulls came down to them from the star children. They were the, they were given to them as scrying devices to help the tribe move forward, to give positive energy to the tribe. And so I thought, perfect tie-in. We pour our vodka over Herkimer diamonds, we're tied in a little to the extraterrestrial legend there with the skull-

Joe Rogan 7:40 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 7:40 And it kind of ... It's the neat kind of bow to our product. But the most important thing is, uh, that, you know, the fluid in the bottle matches the beauty of the bottle, and the bottle is to sell the idea of purity and enlightened thinking, enlightened drinking, which is what these, these skulls were made for. Gosh, it's good even without the orange juice in there.

Joe Rogan 7:55 Dan Aykroyd, you might be the greatest salesman that's ever lived.

Dan Aykroyd 7:57 Um, no, um ...

Joe Rogan 7:57 I'm sold.

Dan Aykroyd 7:58 Uh-

Joe Rogan 7:58 This is another one, folks. I don't know if you can see this, for people listening you definitely can't, but if you're looking at it in, on YouTube, um, this is an absolutely gorgeous bottle with artwork all over it, this really cool design. There's all these little skeletons and ... It's hard to tell, 'cause it's kinda abstract, a lot of the stuff in it, but it's-

Dan Aykroyd 8:17 Uh, well that's John Alex-

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... it's absolutely beautiful.

Dan Aykroyd 8:18 ... uh, John Alexander's work. He does, he, he loves skulls and skeletons and, and that kinda stuff, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:24 This is gorgeous.

Dan Aykroyd 8:24 ... and Day of the Dead stuff. And, and so, um, you know, he, uh, he painted that up. He's my old, he's one of my oldest friends, and we met because, uh, I wa- wa- working on Saturday Night Live, and, uh, my girlfriend there was Rosie Shuster, one of the writers, and, you know, we fell in love and we had a great time, and wrote the show. We wrote Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute, and a lot of other things.

Joe Rogan 8:43 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 8:43 And then I went away to do Blues Brothers, and she said, "I'm breaking up with you." And I said, "Well, for, for what and for who?" "Well, I met this artist, John Alexander." So she dumped me for him, and now we're best friends, and, uh, we-

Joe Rogan 8:55 (laughs) Are they still together?

Dan Aykroyd 8:55 We'd, we'd like to find Rosie again. I, no, no, no, no, she dumped me for ... And he went on to, uh, to get married and do other stuff. But, um, yeah, that's how we met, so it's kind of a, an interesting friends, creative friends. So we are the vodka for the creative spirit. We- it comes from two artists, a writer, him an artist, uh, a graphic artist and designer and painter and sculptor. So, you know, uh, millennials love us because there's a no BS story on our purity. We are, we are, uh, we are a pure story. We're a story about fun and, uh, about enlightened drinking, in, in moderation, of course. And we are, uh, a story about quality, and so I think people are buying it. We have a lot of, uh, uh, uh, female demographic there because of the cleanliness, because we don't have the, the additives in it. And, uh, you know, we just take the trouble to, to make this product, uh, in a- in a special way, and we-

Joe Rogan 9:45 How long have you been doing this?

Dan Aykroyd 9:46 Uh, this is about 11 years. We're in 70 countries and-

Joe Rogan 9:48 Wow.

Dan Aykroyd 9:49 ... we've been doing, doing really, really well with it, because people are getting the story that, uh, it's not only the, the bottle, it's, uh, it's what's in, what's in the bottle. You get it at BevMo!, Total Wines, ABC Liquor, um, bars to over the, uh, the world have it now. And, um, yeah, they, uh, they-

Joe Rogan 10:03 Ooh, we got a signed bottle.

Dan Aykroyd 10:04 They like the, they like the no, no additive story, um, and yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Sure.

Dan Aykroyd 10:08 It's, uh, you know, it's a little more expensive in retail, but it works out to about 37 cents, uh, a drink more. If you have, uh, 25 drinks in a bottle, you buy that bottle, um, it's, uh, it, it, you know, it, you're, you're paying a little more for the quality and for the package, but you gotta, uh, you don't have to, y- you don't have to, uh, pay too much more for, for a drink. It's like 37 cents more for the average drink. When bars, we say, we sell it for like maybe seven bucks a shot, or say nine bucks a shot, seven for, uh, or two, you know, two for 14 and three for 21.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Yeah, well-

Dan Aykroyd 10:38 I'm losing people in the weeds here.

Joe Rogan 10:39 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:39 This is, uh, very delicious though. I'm not a vodka guy. I generally like whiskey, 'cause I, I like to know-

Dan Aykroyd 10:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:44 ... what's happening. Like, the thing about vodka is it's so smooth, and this is very delicious and smooth. Like, before you know it, you're fucked up.

Dan Aykroyd 10:52 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 10:52 With whiskey, I feel like you know it with every taste what you, you're like, oh.

Dan Aykroyd 10:57 Well, we don't have an-

Joe Rogan 10:58 You know exactly what you're doing.

Dan Aykroyd 10:58 ... over viscosity, it's sweet and, and, and it's, it's got beautiful viscosity there.

Joe Rogan 11:02 And if you're keto, this is the thing to drink, if you're on a ketogenic diet.

Dan Aykroyd 11:05 Um, do you, can you ... want a, want a little citrus in there, try it?

Joe Rogan 11:08 Sure, that's your move.

Dan Aykroyd 11:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 All right.

Dan Aykroyd 11:10 No, I like, I like it. C- Can you squeeze it in there very slowly and make it look like an egg yolk going in there, and-

Joe Rogan 11:14 So tell me-

Dan Aykroyd 11:15 Look, I'm having a lot of fun with the, the business.

Joe Rogan 11:16 Beautiful.

Dan Aykroyd 11:16 It's 11 years, we're having fun. We're fighting against the big guys. You know, we gotta do stunts and do exciting things, uh, and, and talk, you know, talk about it in ways that it hasn't been talked about before. The, we did change the industry. We are the purest play out there in terms of, uh, of vodka consumption. I don't slag other brands. They wanna use the flavor packages, they wanna put glyceride in there, which is of course a synthetic, it's a lipid. They wanna put it in there, it's the cousin to antifreeze, I, I gotta say. They wanna put-

Joe Rogan 11:42 It's a cousin to antifreeze?

Dan Aykroyd 11:43 It ... Yeah, glyceride, Glysol, gly- glycol.

Joe Rogan 11:44 What if you're a really good person and your cousin's a murderer though, does that matter?

Dan Aykroyd 11:47 Um, well, let me see. Uh, Christ, you know, loved prisoners, and Christ forgave, so ...

Joe Rogan 11:53 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 11:54 Uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 11:55 So let's, I wanna talk to you-

Dan Aykroyd 11:56 Ted Bundy's sister, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Yeah, maybe she's a nice person.

Dan Aykroyd 11:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:58 I wanna talk to you about the, the...... the story of the crystal skulls themselves, 'cause there is this strange-

Dan Aykroyd 12:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:06 ... sort of, uh, folklore attached to them, and then there's a lot of people that believe that it's all horse shit, and that these were created by modern people and buried underground-

Dan Aykroyd 12:15 Mm-hmm. Yep.

Joe Rogan 12:16 ... in order to-

Dan Aykroyd 12:17 Well, my understanding of it, uh, is... There, you go.

Joe Rogan 12:19 There she is again.

Dan Aykroyd 12:19 Yeah, in- indeed. That's just the, the citrus model, the crystal driver. Um, there were 13 heads.

Joe Rogan 12:25 Ooh, that's good.

Dan Aykroyd 12:25 And, uh, and it was purported that the Navajo, the Anasazi, the Mayans, the Aztec ha- each had one. Uh, the most famous one is the, uh, the Mitchell-Hedges skull, which was found in the Yucatan by Anna Mitchell-Hedges. He reached into a cave, she was with her grandfather, it was around 1926, and she reached in and s- there was an oilcloth-covered sp- uh, item in there, and she pulled it out and opened it up, and there was the two-piece detachable jaw, Mitchell-Hedges skull.

Joe Rogan 12:49 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 12:49 Beautiful skull. The Hewlett-Packard engineers did a test on it in the '60s. They said it could not have been carved by a lapidary, by m- by tools. It had to have been polished over hundreds of years, over, uh, over centuries, to get to the shape that it was. So they said it was a polished item. Uh, let's see, there's the Mitchell-Hedges skull, the Phyllis Newman skull, named Max. She says-

Joe Rogan 13:12 But, but wasn't that later decided by some people-

Dan Aykroyd 13:15 Well, w-

Joe Rogan 13:15 ... that this was not the case?

Dan Aykroyd 13:16 ... I'm gonna, I'm gonna exactly-

Joe Rogan 13:18 Yeah, please.

Dan Aykroyd 13:18 ... get to that point, because of course, it's, uh, it's important. It doesn't affect my business whether they're fake or not. These were beautiful artifacts and we've recreated it beautifully. But it's nice to know the true story, and I, I have a th- kind of a thought on the theory either way. So there's the Phyllis Newman skull, um, named Max. She has to put it in the closet 'cause it talks to her. There's one of-

Joe Rogan 13:36 What? Wait, wait.

Dan Aykroyd 13:37 They (screech)

Joe Rogan 13:37 Hit the brakes.

Dan Aykroyd 13:37 Uh, Phyllis-

Joe Rogan 13:38 I'm gonna have to hit the brakes a bunch with you. You're an excellent talker, sir.

Dan Aykroyd 13:40 Oh, well, I, you know, I was inoculated with a gramophone needle at birth.

Joe Rogan 13:43 (laughs) So-

Dan Aykroyd 13:44 I could talk a taxi dispatcher into a vow of silence. I could talk an air raid siren to scrap. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:50 (laughs) And you're obviously Canadian 'cause you said slag.

Dan Aykroyd 13:53 Yeah. (laughs) There you go.

Joe Rogan 13:54 And it's like, date a Canadian gal, she'll have that to tell.

Dan Aykroyd 13:57 Oh. Well, that's another tangent, Canadian gals and-

Joe Rogan 13:59 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 13:59 ... Canadian guys. Uh, so the Phyllis Newman, Newman skull, she, she got it, its name is Max. She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her, she said. So there's the Mitchell-Hedges.

Joe Rogan 14:07 She still has it?

Dan Aykroyd 14:08 Yes, she does. Phyllis has that one. Then there's the, uh, then there's the Mitchell-Hedges skull that's in Indiana. Um, the wom- the man that took care of Anna at the end of her life, uh, eventually had it and got it. Uh, it sat in Grafton, Ontario for many years, and I never saw it. But people said when f- they walked into the room and she un- covered it with the cloth she kept it in, that, uh, there was an immediate feeling of wellbeing and healing coming over to look at the, at the original Mitchell-Hedges skull. There's one in Mexico City. It's one of, like one of our minis. It's got a sk- a cross stuck right in the top of it, which is, you know, that would shatter crystal if you did that. How that cross got there, I don't know. Um, there are... Uh, there's one at the Smithsonian, uh, in, uh, Washing- uh, two at the Smithsonian in Washington DC, and one at the Victoria & Albert Museum. So, uh, that's, there's supposed to be eight that we have and five that we're missing. Um, the woman at the Smithsonian who has the two there, I think it's a, they're a cloudy orange one and a cloudy green one, and they're smaller. She says they're all fakes, that they were carved by a German lapidary in the 1800s, and that he seeded them around the world. Well, wait a minute. I think one was found in Tibet, one was found in Ohio, we're hearing, at the Serpent Mounds.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Why does she, why does she think this one gentleman did it?

Dan Aykroyd 15:19 Uh, he, because he was an expert lapidary. He had the tools to do it. And, and she figures, her theory is that they're not artifacts polished by tribal, uh, uh, hands and passed down, that they're all fakes. But it's just, wait a minute, he would've had to have had an airship to go and deposit these wherever they might be around the world. Um, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 15:39 D- but does, what was his take?

Dan Aykroyd 15:40 ... you can, you can get the pictures of the skulls up, the Smithsonian crystal heads-

Joe Rogan 15:44 Yeah, please.

Dan Aykroyd 15:44 ... uh, and, uh, the Smithsonian's crystal head you can get, and Victoria & Albert crystal head.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Do they all have-

Dan Aykroyd 15:49 There.

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... the same, similar type of markings?

Dan Aykroyd 15:51 There. There's the, there's theirs. Uh, yes. Yes, they do. They do. They all have the same. Now, you see, some of them are more, um, cl- are clearer. See, there's one at the, uh, the, the, uh, the British Museum. And there's some that are clearer and they're more beautiful, and there's some that are rougher, like, uh, that one there, and the, and the green and the orange one. But she says all fakes. But if they're all fakes, how did they get to these different places around the world and how were they found? Uh, you know.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Well, here's the, here's the thing, but what, why fake? The word fake is very strange, because it's like they are certainly real carved crystal skulls. So they're real.

Dan Aykroyd 16:25 But were they from tribal ancestry?

Joe Rogan 16:27 Right. Who-

Dan Aykroyd 16:27 That's the question.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Who made them? Is the question.

Dan Aykroyd 16:28 Who made them?

Joe Rogan 16:29 Were they from modern Western people?

Dan Aykroyd 16:30 And how? Were they polished-

Joe Rogan 16:31 Right.

Dan Aykroyd 16:31 ... or were they carved? That's the thing. Aren't they beautiful, though, God d-

Joe Rogan 16:34 What do the indigenous people say? They say they found them?

Dan Aykroyd 16:36 They, they, the Navajo say they came from the star children, that they, they were brought down and deposited and given to them as crystal ball devices, scrying devices too.

Joe Rogan 16:45 What's that one down there, Jamie? Keep scrolling where you were. The one on the left.

Dan Aykroyd 16:48 The green is beautiful.

Joe Rogan 16:48 The one on the left right there, that looks m- almost like a real skull.

Dan Aykroyd 16:50 Uh, it is a real one.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Oh, is a real skull.

Dan Aykroyd 16:52 Yeah. No, the green is beautiful. So, so I guess, I don't know, I'm not a scientist, uh, I'm not a professional historian. I guess I have to trust the lady at the Smithsonian. But then I question, they were found at different times in history around the world. How do you go and seed, how do you deposit them there? How do we know?

Joe Rogan 17:07 Why does she believe that? Has she given a coherent reason why she thinks that they're all hoaxes?

Dan Aykroyd 17:12 Uh, my guess-

Joe Rogan 17:12 Or is she just like-

Dan Aykroyd 17:12 ... she's done her analysis, whatever they've done, you know, to, to their skulls. But again, the Hewlett-Packard engineers took that Mitchell-Hedges skull, and they, they said this cannot be, have not had been polished, it would've been cracked or destroyed. It, uh, could not have been built by tools, it would've been cracked or destroyed. It had to have been polished.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 17:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:29 So, but what about some sort of a, uh, very fast-moving drill with a diamond bit on it that can slowly grind down?

Dan Aykroyd 17:37 Well, that would be then, that would be, uh, then there'd be marks that would be visible, uh, under, under the scanner. They put-

Joe Rogan 17:42 Couldn't you polish those marks down?

Dan Aykroyd 17:44 I don't, I think that the intensity of this, of the Hewlett-Packard scrutiny revealed that there were n- none of those marks, and that's why they were a- able to make their claim.

Joe Rogan 17:52 You, see, here's the problem with this, is like, you want them to be real, right?

Dan Aykroyd 17:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Don't you?

Dan Aykroyd 17:57 Oh, yeah. I love the legend.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Yeah, me too. I do too. I do too.

Dan Aykroyd 17:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:59 But I don't trust me. So-

Dan Aykroyd 18:01 No, neither do I, so that's why I say openly, I don't-

Joe Rogan 18:03 ... when I hear, when I, when you're, when you're saying all these things, I wanna believe you.... I want, I want them to be from-the-sky people.

Dan Aykroyd 18:09 Mm-hmm. I do too but again, you know, you've got a professional in Washington at our National Museum there who says, no, they're not. So-

Joe Rogan 18:14 Yeah, but what does she know?

Dan Aykroyd 18:16 Well, we could, uh, forget her name-

Joe Rogan 18:18 She might be one of them party poopers.

Dan Aykroyd 18:18 ... we should get her on the, get her on the phone.

Joe Rogan 18:19 She might be a party pooper. She's one of them ladies-

Dan Aykroyd 18:22 Well, I, I, I think that she's probably as in lo- as in love with the skulls even though they are, you know, not polished in her mind. I bet she loves them as much as we do. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 18:30 But the thing is if you are a professional intellectual or someone who's a curator of, you know, fine artwork and ancient, uh, relics, you kinda have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous. 'Cause if not-

Dan Aykroyd 18:43 That's right, like Neil Tyson. Don't you love him?

Joe Rogan 18:45 Yes, I love him to death.

Dan Aykroyd 18:46 I love Neil.

Joe Rogan 18:46 I love him to death.

Dan Aykroyd 18:47 But he... There's no way you can sit down and say, "Neil, Barney and Betty Hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957."

Joe Rogan 18:52 Mm-mm.

Dan Aykroyd 18:52 He's not gonna accept that.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Right. He's not gonna.

Dan Aykroyd 18:54 Because, he can't accept that.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 18:56 Because, everything in his training, everything in his knowledge, everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion in the universe and how to get from place to place, defies, um, the, uh, defies the legend or, or I, I would say, defies the theory that there are, uh, extraterrestrial advanced ships out there. He can't acce- it, it's just, y- you know, he, it would be unprofessional for him to say, "Okay, there's even a possibility that there were abductions." But-

Joe Rogan 19:22 The Betty and Barney Hill story is very interesting, but there's, there's no real evidence other than their testimony. Is that correct?

Dan Aykroyd 19:30 Well, um, there was a stain on Betty's dress. There's her excellent recall. She was not... He was unconscious-

Joe Rogan 19:36 What was the stain on her dress that's so interesting to you?

Dan Aykroyd 19:38 Uh, it was a fluid that they used, uh, in, in, in the testing that, uh, some kind of a fluid, a chemical.

Joe Rogan 19:43 The alien testing?

Dan Aykroyd 19:44 Y- uh, that, that they did when-

Joe Rogan 19:45 And did-

Dan Aykroyd 19:45 They drew ova from her and they drew sperm-

Joe Rogan 19:48 Oh.

Dan Aykroyd 19:48 ... uh, yeah, from him. Now, so there's a book out called Contact by Stanton Friedman, who-

Joe Rogan 19:52 I read that.

Dan Aykroyd 19:53 Uh, yeah, and Kathleen, yep.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 19:55 I'd love to know where the car is, where they, the, the, the Chevy they were driving. Where was that?

Joe Rogan 20:00 Oh, it disappeared?

Dan Aykroyd 20:01 I don't know. I'd have to ask Kathleen where it is. Did they, did it end up-

Joe Rogan 20:04 Oh, like-

Dan Aykroyd 20:04 ... in a junkyard?

Joe Rogan 20:04 If someone could find it, right.

Dan Aykroyd 20:04 'Cause there were marks on the back of the car as well.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Mm.

Dan Aykroyd 20:07 There were trace evidence in the back of the car. You know Ted Phillips is. He goes around the world collecting trace e- evidence and radioactive signatures from sightings and, and, uh, and landings. On the back of the car, there was a couple of marks. But it was Betty's... It's their credibility. Why would they wanna bring this into their lives? And she was conscious, uh, semi-conscious through much of it. And Be- uh, Barney was not, uh, uh, co- conscious. He was unconscious. If you hear the tapes of Ben Simon's interviews with them under hypnosis-

Joe Rogan 20:35 I've heard them, yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 20:35 ... just screaming and the, and he was just so frightened.

Joe Rogan 20:37 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 20:38 And the, and the, and the Zeta Reticuli map when, when the little, the being Betty looked at the map and, and the being showed her a map as she was on her way out the door. And she said, "May I take this?" And the being was gonna give it to her, but then another one zipped up and said, "No, you can't have this." And, and, and-

Joe Rogan 20:52 Zeta Reticuli is exactly the same place where Bob Lazar says they found those, uh, the, with the, the spaceships that they have at Area, uh, or S4.

Dan Aykroyd 21:02 Well, well, the little grays, Zeta Reticuli, Barney and Betty's abduction, you had Marjorie Fish, an anamat- amateur astronomer. She took the memory of Betty's, uh, Betty drew up the star map and she did a th- a, um, three-dimensional scale model of, of that part of the universe.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 21:16 And was able to identify Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2, and accepted by astronomers. So, that map that Betty saw aboard that ship had not been seen on, uh, on Earth before.

Joe Rogan 21:25 And Betty has no history-

Dan Aykroyd 21:27 And, and that's-

Joe Rogan 21:27 ... of astronomy or-

Dan Aykroyd 21:28 No, no.

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... no studying it?

Dan Aykroyd 21:29 No, none of it at all. And, and, and, you know, interesting things like when they got back to the, the house, their, uh, their, their, the house was open and the keys to the house were in, on the table with leaves so that they might have dropped them at the site and the beings returned them. Now, you know who Ted, uh, Budd Hopkins was?

Joe Rogan 21:48 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 21:48 He said that since, uh... He, he studied the Linda Cortile case where the woman was floated out of her apartment building over the East River and an orange orb picked her up, plunged into the river.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Tell people who he was. He was the guy who was-

Dan Aykroyd 21:58 Budd was an artist. He was a graphic artist, he was a designer, a painter, and a lovely man. And he was one of the first people to start to deal with the trauma of abductees. He, they, they, he got a reputation for being able to interview them, hypnotize them, interview them, and get their stories and empathize and sympathize with them. And he said that in some cases that he studied, the beings would grab a man from somewhere in America and grab a woman and... out of their cars, out of their clothes, put them up, test them, draw ova, draw sperm, fluids, whatever they were doing. And then, the woman would wake up in the man's shoes or a different car or the... Al- almost as if the, after the beings were finished with them, "Ah, I don't care where they go now. Yeah, put them, put them back." You know, that kind of thing.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Right.

Dan Aykroyd 22:40 He said that was the oddest phenomena.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Like releasing a trout.

Dan Aykroyd 22:43 Yeah, that, that's right. Well, I think that's it.

Joe Rogan 22:45 If you catch a trout, if you catch a big rainbow trout and you're fly fishing and you got a barbless hook-

Dan Aykroyd 22:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:49 ... you know, most people if you go to Montana, go to the Gallatin River. Shout-out to the Gallatin.

Dan Aykroyd 22:53 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Gorgeous place.

Dan Aykroyd 22:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:55 People catch and release 'cause they, they appreciate that the trout are there.

Dan Aykroyd 22:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:58 They'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not eat the fish 'cause they want this, the salmon to be healthy, they want the trout to be healthy.

Dan Aykroyd 23:05 Wow, love that.

Joe Rogan 23:05 So they catch them and then they release them. But if you're a, a brown trout, well, brown trout are invasive, but if you're a sa- you're a, you're a, uh, rainbow trout-

Dan Aykroyd 23:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:13 ... and someone catches you and, you know, they take you on some 200-yard r- run down this river as they're trying to draw you in. It's a big nine-pound rainbow, catch of a lifetime, right?

Dan Aykroyd 23:23 Beautiful time.

Joe Rogan 23:24 And some guy pulls it on, takes pictures of it, like shows it, and then releases it. And then this thing's like, "How the fuck did I get here? What am I doing outside of my universe?"

Dan Aykroyd 23:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:33 "What am I doing in this other dimension of air where I can't breathe?"

Dan Aykroyd 23:36 P- precisely.

Joe Rogan 23:37 You know?

Dan Aykroyd 23:38 Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's what, uh, that's catch and release.

Joe Rogan 23:40 Catch and release with people.

Dan Aykroyd 23:41 Travis Walton says, you know, you gotta think of them as just people from over there. They're just people from over there.

Joe Rogan 23:46 Yeah, he's the guy the Fire in the Sky movie was based on.

Dan Aykroyd 23:48 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 He's got another interesting story.

Dan Aykroyd 23:50 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Here's what I want people to think.

Dan Aykroyd 23:51 Credibility there, and credibility with Barney and Betty. I just don't think they're lying.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Well, I-

Dan Aykroyd 23:55 And I don't think the Ariel school children are lying.

Joe Rogan 23:57 I don't wanna think they're lying. This is the problem that I have with it. I want to believe them, but this is what I want people to consider because most people that are pragmatic, reasonable people that don't wanna be ridiculed, they look at these stories and they go, "Oh, come on. People are full of shit." And I've been there too. But I want, I want people to imagine that if, if aliens did oca- occasionally visit Earth...... what... how often do you think this would take place? And how... It would, it would be very infrequently. And if it was, if it was happening, these would be completely unique, unusual occurrences-

Dan Aykroyd 24:33 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 24:33 ... out of nowhere, where someone would come down, they would do something, and they would be leaving the person with this thought and this memory, and this inability to describe it with normal words. If you were taken aboard a spaceship, and you were... some reptilian beings that were three feet tall were running experiments on you, and you were paralyzed, and then they released you back on Earth, how, how... what words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way that like, if you tell me, "Hey, Joe, I, uh, I, uh, went white water rafting with my kids. It was a great time. It was so fun. We got to see eagles, and it was, it was gorgeous. And then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe. What a great day." I can envision this experience.

Dan Aykroyd 25:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:17 I can see it. But if you tell me, "Hey, man, we went camping, and I woke up and some alien had a finger in my ass-"

Dan Aykroyd 25:22 The Allagash.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 25:23 The, the Allagash incident, they went camping and they, they were, they disappeared.

Joe Rogan 25:25 There's quite a few of those, right?

Dan Aykroyd 25:26 There's hundreds of thousands. And here, this is... I brought you a book. This is, uh, Bruce Maccabee's book. It's all the headlines from 1952, 432 reports given. And I'll address your specific question about people, how they relate their experiences, and, and how genuine they feel, in, in a second here. 432 reports given to the Air Force in 1952 on aerial sightings, ships from other planet. We've got memoratio- uh, memories, memos from the government here. Uh, "Former army pilot sees flying saucer by daylight." Whatever was cited here. "July 30 stories, fighter pilots at New Castle say alert for more saucer reports." These are newspaper.

Joe Rogan 26:00 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 26:00 That's yours.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Well, newspapers never lie.

Dan Aykroyd 26:02 Well, uh... But-

Joe Rogan 26:03 I don't know if you know that.

Dan Aykroyd 26:04 Well...

Joe Rogan 26:04 They never, they never make fake stories.

Dan Aykroyd 26:07 Well...

Joe Rogan 26:07 They never talk shit about people.

Dan Aykroyd 26:08 In New York, The New York Times, uh, is pretty reliable. Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean are reporters for The New York Times, and they've been studying this, uh, phenomenon. They report ver- very credibly on it. I'll tell you how an abductee's experience is related. I attended, uh, an, a lecture at the, uh, Fifth Avenue Medical Institute in, in Manhattan with my wife a few years ago. That would be about 15 years ago. And John Mack was the lecturer. You know, he wrote the book Abduction. He was the Harvard psychiatrist who wrote, uh, Abduction. You can get that up too. Abduction, John Mack.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Yes, I read that as well.

Dan Aykroyd 26:42 Yeah. And so-

Joe Rogan 26:42 That, that freaked a friend of mine out. She was a very pragmatic, non-UFO-believing person, and she ca- we were working together on news radio, my friend Maura Tierney, and she, uh, came up to me and she goes like, "This book is freaking me the fuck out." And he wrote a second book as well. Didn't he die in a car accident?

Dan Aykroyd 26:59 John Mack...

Joe Rogan 27:00 I believe he died in a car accident.

Dan Aykroyd 27:02 Stepped off a curb in, um, a, in, in a, in a small town in England, and he was struck by a, a car.

Joe Rogan 27:09 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 27:10 And three other John Macks died the same day in England. So...

Joe Rogan 27:14 So you think people were whacking John Mack because he knew too much?

Dan Aykroyd 27:16 Well, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Let's take 'em all out.

Dan Aykroyd 27:18 Again, I was, I was at this lecture, and there were 300 abductees there, that, that... some who he interviewed with, some, some he had not, but who were there for... interested to, to find out about more about their experience. And one guy got up and said... He had one arm, and I don't know whether that was related... I don't think it was related to the experience, but he said, "I'm a Wall Street broker. I'm quite well off. I have a sailboat. I was in Long Island Sound a few years ago, and a blue light hit me, and I had missing time of about five or six hours. But in it, I have fil- filtrated memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful and influential and I could help the planet survive. And they put me back in my ship and I woke up." And, and, and, and he said, "I'm waiting for them to come back. I want them to come back." And I asked the room, I got up and I said, "Of all of you who've been taken, how many of you would, would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again?" And about half of them said no, no way they'd want it to have, have it happen again. And half said, "Yeah, we'd like that to happen again."

Joe Rogan 28:16 Half?

Dan Aykroyd 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 28:17 Half, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Now, I love a good anecdote-

Dan Aykroyd 28:21 So Bruce signed this to me-

Joe Rogan 28:21 Oh, thank you.

Dan Aykroyd 28:22 ... and I'm gonna give it to you.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Oh. Thank you.

Dan Aykroyd 28:23 And it's just got great, it's got great headlines from the... you know, from the '50s, uh, which was a massive time for saucers. You know, that famous photo-

Joe Rogan 28:30 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 28:30 ... of the saucers over the, uh, the Capitol, the glowing lights-

Joe Rogan 28:33 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 28:33 ... and the... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Yeah. See if you can find that photo, Jim, 'cause it is quite interesting.

Dan Aykroyd 28:36 Uh, it's, uh, July 1952, Washington sightings-

Joe Rogan 28:39 Do you think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where they decided, "Okay, these fucking monkeys are doing some stupid shit. We need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos. Let's find out what kind of capabilities they have."? 'Cause if you listen to Lazar or if you believe the work of Zecharia Sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered-

Dan Aykroyd 29:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:05 ... that there's... The, the reason why there's this giant leap between us and the rest of the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics.

Dan Aykroyd 29:16 Well, the movie Mission to Mars with Tim Robbins, you know, basically it says that, you know.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 29:20 Basically, it's, it shows the face on Mars and that. That is one of NASA employees' favorite movies. Yeah, there they are.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 29:26 Yeah. 1952 UFO incident. Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Look at that photo. That is a crazy photo.

Dan Aykroyd 29:30 Is that beautiful? Come on, let's go here now, folks.

Joe Rogan 29:33 That's crazy.

Dan Aykroyd 29:33 Yeah, that ain't an airplane. That ain't a helicopter.

Joe Rogan 29:36 No. It's a crazy photograph, and it's from 1952.

Dan Aykroyd 29:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:39 I mean, the, the special effects back then were incredibly crude.

Dan Aykroyd 29:43 No, no, that's-

Joe Rogan 29:43 This was something that was reported by thousands of people.

Dan Aykroyd 29:46 Thousands of people, they jet... they, they scrambled jets from, from Andrews for it and everything.

Joe Rogan 29:49 As well as the Phoenix Lights. That was another thing.

Dan Aykroyd 29:51 The Phoenix Lights is fascinating because-

Joe Rogan 29:52 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 29:52 ... you know, um, the... Fife Symington, the governor said I... he saw them, he made fun of it with an alien, uh, m-

Joe Rogan 29:58 Yeah, but he talked about that afterwards.

Dan Aykroyd 30:00 ... dummy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:00 He was put under pressure to do so.

Dan Aykroyd 30:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:02 He's in a movie called... What is it? Um, there's a documentary on Netflix, it's available, that he's in, um, that he talks about the pressure that they put on him to make light of that incident. And he talks about his own personal experiences with seeing something, some sort of triangle-shaped craft that was enormous, the size of several football fields. It was flying overhead, that was completely silent, and how it freaked him out. I think that was him.

Dan Aykroyd 30:24 The triangle, the triangle and del- Delta crafts are very, very interesting.

Joe Rogan 30:27 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 30:27 But, uh, the, the Tinley Park incidents of the, uh, of the '80s, uh, and, uh, with, um... Sam Oranto was the investigator there from UFON.... these things would park over the family barbecue for about half an hour, and, you know, families in suburbs were looking up at them, the sky being blotted out by these things parking above them. (inhales deeply) So, y- y- I, I think it comes down to they... I don't think these beings... I... Well, Lord Hill Norton said there were 23 different species visiting the planet in 23 different types of ships. I don't think they want a formal relationship with people on Earth. They want an informal, secret relationship. I think they probably have one with elements of the, of black elements of the Air Force and the government. You know who David Sereda is?

Joe Rogan 31:07 I've heard his name.

Dan Aykroyd 31:07 David Sereda, you should have him on. He's very knowledgeable about this. Uh, he's, his theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion at... Because there was such an inter-dimensional disturbance of the atoms being split in that explosion, there was, there was... That, that saucer there that went down in '47 may have, may have been influenced somehow negatively by, by that explosion. Now, Stanton Friedman doesn't, didn't buy that. I loved Stanton. He just passed away there.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 31:34 He was the expert on Roswell.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Yeah, I'm upset that I never got to meet him before he died. He-

Dan Aykroyd 31:38 He was so credible, and so great.

Joe Rogan 31:38 ... was an interesting guy who believed in UFOs, but believed most people were li- were lying about them.

Dan Aykroyd 31:43 (inhales deeply) Uh, really? Really?

Joe Rogan 31:45 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 31:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:46 He, well, he believed that there was a lot of horse shit going on-

Dan Aykroyd 31:49 Well-

Joe Rogan 31:49 ... including Bob Lazar. He thought Bob Lazar was full of shit. He thought-

Dan Aykroyd 31:52 Well, a- again, why would, why would Bob go out there and, and do that, and, and, and compromise his life, and you know-

Joe Rogan 31:57 Well, let me tell you something, after talking to him for three hours-

Dan Aykroyd 31:59 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 32:00 ... and then having dinner with him the night before, the, my, I don't have, I don't... I used to believe I had the best bullshit meter in the world, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten more honest. (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 32:09 You did.

Joe Rogan 32:09 And, uh, I d- I don't, I didn't see anything. He's-

Dan Aykroyd 32:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:13 ... he's incredibly smart guy, and he's not a guy who's like seeking out attention, and he's not profiting from this. And in fact-

Dan Aykroyd 32:20 Well, just his demeanor and everything.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 32:22 Geez, he's, he's like an accountant.

Joe Rogan 32:23 He's a legitimate scientist.

Dan Aykroyd 32:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 And I, I mean, and I've talked to him. Uh, one of the things that I engaged him with when we had dinner, we talked about science, just science in general, and we talked about all sorts of different things, and, um, and he's a scientist. He's a legit scientist. I've talked to a lot of them.

Dan Aykroyd 32:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:38 I know what kind of person he is. He's a-

Dan Aykroyd 32:40 And they just hassled him again there. They raided his, uh, his, his nuclear isotope.

Joe Rogan 32:43 'Cause they think he has Element 115. That's what they think.

Dan Aykroyd 32:46 Wouldn't we all love to have that?

Joe Rogan 32:48 Yeah, that's what they think. That's, some artist created that thing up there-

Dan Aykroyd 32:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:52 ... with Element 115 in it, and-

Dan Aykroyd 32:53 Yeah, Element 115, indeed. Well, if you-

Joe Rogan 32:56 It's just-

Dan Aykroyd 32:56 ... you get a little sliver of that-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 32:57 ... that, that'd be ex-... That's would be pretty exciting, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 They, he talked openly about it in the '90s, that he had managed to weasel some away from the Area S4, and they think that he still has it.

Dan Aykroyd 33:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:10 There were some experiments that he had done that, um, George Knapp had actually filmed, that had showed some really bizarre distortions using this stuff, and then it was able to... It- it was, there was, uh, I gotta remember exactly what it did that they show, but they did some experiments with like steam or smoke or something like that, where they showed Element me- 115 emitting some sort of, um-

Dan Aykroyd 33:31 Vapor?

Joe Rogan 33:32 Well, no. It was emitting some sort of a field-

Dan Aykroyd 33:35 Oh, yeah, okay.

Joe Rogan 33:35 ... where, where you literally couldn't physically touch this stuff.

Dan Aykroyd 33:38 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, no, it would be, be nice to find that. That's for sure. But I believe, I believe Bob.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Uh-

Dan Aykroyd 33:42 I do, and I believe Barney and Betty.

Joe Rogan 33:44 I, I, I wanna believe them.

Dan Aykroyd 33:44 And I believe Travis.

Joe Rogan 33:45 I wanna believe all of them. That's my problem.

Dan Aykroyd 33:46 And I believe the, I believe the Allagash guys. Why would, why would they do this? I mean-

Joe Rogan 33:49 'Cause people are full of shit.

Dan Aykroyd 33:51 Well-

Joe Rogan 33:51 They love to lie, they love attention, they love crazy stories. People love telling you they're psychic. People love believing in astrology. People-

Dan Aykroyd 33:58 Mm-hmm, but-

Joe Rogan 33:58 People believe in Bigfoot. I think that there's a lot of people out there that want fantastic things to be real, including me. It's exciting. It's way more exciting than them-

Dan Aykroyd 34:08 It's really-

Joe Rogan 34:08 ... than not being real.

Dan Aykroyd 34:09 It is entertaining.

Joe Rogan 34:09 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 34:09 That's why I love the whole subject, but-

Joe Rogan 34:11 That's my problem with it.

Dan Aykroyd 34:12 ... the thing is that these people were severely damaged, like Barney Hill was damaged, the, the Allagash boys were damaged.

Joe Rogan 34:17 How so?

Dan Aykroyd 34:17 Travis Walton were da- psychologically damaged by these, by these experiences, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:21 Allegedly.

Dan Aykroyd 34:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:23 We don't know. I mean, they might have been-

Dan Aykroyd 34:25 I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 34:25 ... damaged already. This might have been-

Dan Aykroyd 34:27 I accept that.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Yeah, this might have been something where-

Dan Aykroyd 34:29 But you read Contact, and, and-

Joe Rogan 34:30 Yes, I did.

Dan Aykroyd 34:30 ... you've seen Betty interviewed. Doesn't she come off as-

Joe Rogan 34:33 She does.

Dan Aykroyd 34:34 ... someone who is extremely credible and, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 She does. She does. So does Barney.

Dan Aykroyd 34:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:38 They're, Betty and Barney Hill, it's a, they're an interesting couple, 'cause they were an interracial couple. What year was this, did this happen?

Dan Aykroyd 34:43 '57.

Joe Rogan 34:44 So they were dealing with all sorts of pressure. This was during the civil rights movement, and they were, you know, uh, some, you know, they were pretty... It, it was, it was not the, what you would expect for people that were calling out and trying to get attention.

Dan Aykroyd 34:57 Yep.

Joe Rogan 34:57 And the way, you know, the way they described this, it resonated with people.

Dan Aykroyd 35:02 Well, he was having nightmares and rashes, and he, they had to come to some medical conclusion about it, and they consulted a friend-

Joe Rogan 35:07 Also, it's extremely consistent.

Dan Aykroyd 35:08 Yep.

Joe Rogan 35:08 The story was extremely consistent.

Dan Aykroyd 35:09 It, it was, and they, they consulted a friend at the Air Force, uh, you know, who they knew, and they, they came to Ben Simon and that. No, it's a, it's a fascinating story. There's just, you know, it's just a, it's just, in, in a way, as again, it's, it's, it's very, very, very entertaining. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 35:24 Well, how did you get involved in this?

Dan Aykroyd 35:26 Well, my mother, uh, worked for the, uh, Ministry of Munitions and Supply in World War II, uh, for the minister, and she was, uh, uh, suborned to work with the, uh, aircraft production, uh, for the Hurricane. She was in charge of, uh, working with, uh, getting the Hurricane fuselages built in Canada for, for, for the, for the Hurricane fighter planes, so she was, you know, in the world of aviation. And in 1947, she was walking down Sparks Street in Ottawa, and she looked up in the sky, and she was, sort of said, "Something told me to look up." And she said she saw what looked like a Christmas tree ornament just winking above the street, about 4 or 500 feet, winking on and off, red, green, white, red, green, white. And she thought, "That's odd," you know, and then she looked at it, and she said it just zipped off in the sky and disappeared. And around the house after that point, we always had articles. There's an article, there's a cover of Life magazine with Marilyn Monroe, it talked about flying saucers. There's a cover of Look magazine with Elizabeth Taylor. It, it catalogues the Barney and Betty Hill incident. So whenever one of those articles come up, she always had that at home for me to read, so I kind of, I was interested it from, from then.And I've had four sightings myself, quite vivid. The first one was in Martha's Vineyard. It was 4:00 in the morning. Uh, I got up to take a leak on the balcony there, and I looked up in the sky and about 100,000 feet up, I saw two glowing disks flying in echelon formation.

Joe Rogan 36:51 You saw this?

Dan Aykroyd 36:51 I saw this.

Joe Rogan 36:52 How old were you?

Dan Aykroyd 36:53 I was, uh, what was I? I'm in my 30s, yeah. And so I g- I look up and I see these things, and they're moving, man. They're going from horizon to horizon (swooshing) 20,000 miles an hour. And I, I, I've been in an F5. I've had it in my hands. I've been in a B-25. I know helicopters. I know aviation. I know meteoric bolides. I know what's not a meteor and what is. I know what's a helicopter and what is. I know what's the moon and Venus. Two s- glowing, glowing round objects, 100,000 feet, maybe 20,000 miles an hour, they're doing. Because they went across the sky, like, just in a zigzag formation. So I screamed to my wife, my friends. They got out. The three of us saw it. And I said, you know, and they all knew it was something unusual. That was my first sighting. Okay, now who knows? Okay, meteoric bolide. There are many people that can dispute that that wasn't real, but I, I know what I saw. I know what my friends saw. I know what my wife saw. Those things were moving. They were glowing fast. They were flying in formation, and they were doing, uh, enough speed to get from basically the right side of my eyes to the left side of my eyes-

Joe Rogan 37:51 Hm.

Dan Aykroyd 37:52 ... really fast. The second one was, um, I was, uh, I was in, uh ... So that's, so that's four. I count those two as two, and then the, the, the f- the second one that I saw ... So the one, two. The third one I saw, I was, uh, I was in Montreal, Canada, and I was on the 23rd floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, and this would have been when we were doing Patrón, uh, in Canada, the Patrón Tequila promotion, and that was, would have been in the early 2000s. And, uh, and I looked, um, up and, uh, uh, uh, beyond the window there, and I saw this ... Well, it just looked like an- a, a, an air mattress turned over on its, you know, with, with the, with the bubbles on the bottom. It was huge. It was 150 feet long, 50 feet wide, gray. It was a gray, rainy day in Montreal, broad daylight, and here was this thing at the 23rd story of the hotel. And I'm looking at it, and it moves slowly down Saint Catherine Street and I'm thinking, "Where are the wires? Where are the wires? Where ... It's gotta be a balloon. It's gotta be ... Mon- there's no Thanksgiving Day parade here. What, what, what is that?" And my friends are with me. "What is that?" And it come along and just parked outside the window, and we looked at it, big gray thing with these bulbs underneath, and then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it, and then it went around the corner. We ran out in the hall and we just watched it drift kind of sideways off over the Saint Lawrence River and disappear. Wow. (laughs) Well, you know.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Did people take pictures of this?

Dan Aykroyd 39:18 No, we didn't get any pictures and I don't know who else saw it. But-

Joe Rogan 39:21 What year was this?

Dan Aykroyd 39:22 Uh, in the 2000, let's see, 5 or 6, something like that. Um, and then the-

Joe Rogan 39:28 Did other people report it?

Dan Aykroyd 39:29 No, I don't know. I should- (sighs) I think I should have checked and, and seen in Montreal with the local MUFON. I think they have a, a representative up there. But, uh, it was vivid. We all saw it. And then the f- uh, the fourth one that I saw, I was on my motorcycle leaving town to go, uh, at Kingston, Ontario where I live there, and I was driving out of the farm gate, and, uh, and I saw ... There's a power line that runs on the opposite farm there, uh, across the road, and I saw this winking red light just moving slowly along the top of the power pylons, and I thought, "Well, you know, helicopters, they do that kind of work where they, where they string power lines, but they don't really do it at night." I thought, "That's gotta be a chopper, a hydro chopper, like a hydro company chopper watching the power lines, checking for faults," or I don't know. I was ... And it goes along like this and I'm watching it and I, I, I stop the bike, you know, and I'm w- And then it stops and makes a right angle turn and comes right at me, and so I turn on the ... I have a police motorcycle, so I turn on my wigwags, you know, like that.

Joe Rogan 40:23 You have a police motorcycle?

Dan Aykroyd 40:24 Of course. I've got po-

Joe Rogan 40:25 Why do you have a police motorcycle?

Dan Aykroyd 40:26 I have police equi- Well, I'll, I'll, I'll-

Joe Rogan 40:28 Are you a cop?

Dan Aykroyd 40:30 Uh-

Joe Rogan 40:30 Damn accurate. Imagine getting pulled over by a Blues Brother.

Dan Aykroyd 40:32 Wouldn't that be good? I've, I've actually-

Joe Rogan 40:34 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 40:34 I've actually had the, uh, experience of actually pulling some people over anyway.

Joe Rogan 40:38 You pull people over?

Dan Aykroyd 40:39 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Why'd you pull them over? You're a sheriff?

Dan Aykroyd 40:42 Well, I was a reserve.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Representative deputy sheriff. Dun, dun, dun.

Dan Aykroyd 40:45 Uh, yeah. Reserve.

Joe Rogan 40:46 You and Ted Nugent going shooting people.

Dan Aykroyd 40:47 A reserve, a reserve, I must say, but I served under the first African American sheriff in Hinds County, Mississippi in its history. Anyway, back to my sighting, the thing comes along.

Joe Rogan 40:55 S-

Dan Aykroyd 40:55 I, I put on the, the, the wigwags on the bike and it stops above me and it turns on a light, and I'm going, "It, it, look, it, I ... Where's the rotor wop? Where's the, where's the wash? Where's ... Come on. A helicopter at 3,000 feet, you can hear it. This thing's like 300, 400 feet above me." I'm looking at the thing, I'm thinking, "Where's the wash? Where's the, where's the ... It looks like, it looks like a helicopter. It's gotta be a helicopter. Do I see a canopy? Do I see rings, rotors?" Nothing. Just, just a mass of kind of metallic and lights and it just shines this li- light on me and I turn the lights o- o- on the bike on, and, and then turned them off, and then it winked the light off and it just drifted out over the field and just drifted off like that.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Hm.

Dan Aykroyd 41:33 So-

Joe Rogan 41:34 So you've had three different instances.

Dan Aykroyd 41:35 And then one night, well, one night I was in bed-

Joe Rogan 41:37 Four?

Dan Aykroyd 41:37 I was in night, uh, in bed with my wife. It was in the 1987 or so, and, uh, I bolt, I woke bolt upright at 3:00 in the morning. I said, "I gotta go outside. I gotta go outside. They're calling me, they're calling me. They want me to see, they want me to see." And she says, "Oh, go back to sleep." So I went back to sleep. Next day, all over the radio of Upstate New York, they talked about a big pink spiral in the sky that had appeared to, uh, Upstate Northern- Northeastern Ontario and Upstate New York.

Joe Rogan 42:06 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 42:06 And they were saying, "Oh, it was a Chinese rocket." What? A bottle rocket or the Chinese sent a rocket? This was the explanation that the media and the government was giving at the time. So, tho- those are my experiences right there.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Hm.

Dan Aykroyd 42:18 And, and you know-

Joe Rogan 42:19 So that's how you got hooked.

Dan Aykroyd 42:20 And then, and then an interesting thing, same thing happened where, uh, I was doing a show, uh, called, uh, Out There: Beyond Belief, and we were doing it, uh, o- over there for, for Bonnie Hammer over there at, uh, at the, uh, Syfy Channel. And it was an interview show where I talked to Doug Meldrum, the Sasquatch expert and, and all kinds of, uh-

Joe Rogan 42:40 I've talked to Doug.

Dan Aykroyd 42:41 Yeah. I, I believe him. I believe him. He's passionate about it. I don't see why he ... And he's also a scientist. I talked to all those people, but the, the day that I had Steve-

Joe Rogan 42:48 You think Sasquatch is real?

Dan Aykroyd 42:50 ... yes, I do. I believe, I believe that there's gotta be. There's just, uh ... Do you know, uh, uh, uh, Gabrielle Reece, the Olympian?

Joe Rogan 42:56 Sure.

Dan Aykroyd 42:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 I've had her on the podcast.

Dan Aykroyd 42:57 Have you? Has she talked about her Sasquatch experience?

Joe Rogan 42:59 No. Now I need to talk to her again.

Dan Aykroyd 43:01 Yeah, you really do. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 She's so gigantic and beautiful. I would imagine a Sasquatch wanted to breed with her.

Dan Aykroyd 43:06 Well, that's why-

Joe Rogan 43:07 Right?

Dan Aykroyd 43:07 Uh, uh, apparently, it shook her camper that was ... She, she was up in a, in upstate, uh, up in Washington DC.

Joe Rogan 43:11 Yeah, big giant woman, super athlete.

Dan Aykroyd 43:12 She was attacked, her camper was attacked by one. She tells that story, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 (laughs) .

Dan Aykroyd 43:16 But where was I, uh, about the, uh, what did we get back to the, uh ... Let's see, it's Gabrielle Reece, Sasquatch. But I had interviewed all kinds of people on this show. I had-

Joe Rogan 43:23 You're talking about, uh-

Dan Aykroyd 43:25 My, my show was supposed to be a, like a-

Joe Rogan 43:27 Sasquatch.

Dan Aykroyd 43:27 It was supposed to be a ... Yeah. It was supposed to be a show, a sc- on SyFy Channel, an interview show where I'd interviewed everybody, you know. Uh, uh, all the people in the, in the field of cryptozoology and that, and, and, and sci-fi, and, and, and science fiction and theory and UFOs. And I had Steven Greer and Stephen Bassett on that same day.

Joe Rogan 43:44 I've had Steven Greer on the show too.

Dan Aykroyd 43:45 Yeah. Okay. So I interview Stephen Bassett and I'm about in- to interview Greer, and I get a call at th- in, about, like, noon, at our noon break. And they call and they say, "Your show's canceled. We want you out of the studio by the end of the day. And, uh, we're not gonna air anything that you've done."

Joe Rogan 44:02 What'd you do?

Dan Aykroyd 44:03 Steven Greer ... Stephen Bassett, Steven Greer, the UFO show, it gets canceled that day. Now, maybe Ms. Hammer made a decision, you know, "Talk shows aren't really our thing," or, "Aykroyd's not really what we want on our network," or I don't know. Was she called by someone, or wha- what ... Why-

Joe Rogan 44:19 Why that day?

Dan Aykroyd 44:20 Why that day when I was gonna do this vivid, you know, UFO, uh, show, uh, that was gonna go out on, on the, on the air eventually? Why, why then did it get canceled?

Joe Rogan 44:28 Well, how were the ratings?

Dan Aykroyd 44:28 That was puzzling.

Joe Rogan 44:29 How were the ratings?

Dan Aykroyd 44:30 Well, no. We never e- got- we never got to air. I did 26 of them and we never got to air.

Joe Rogan 44:33 Oh. It never got to air?

Dan Aykroyd 44:35 Nope. No.

Joe Rogan 44:35 So you just filmed them and it never got ... Did you guys do any wacky ones where they got the film and were like, "What are these crazy fuckers doing?" Was there any of that?

Dan Aykroyd 44:43 Um-

Joe Rogan 44:44 Like, if you were a non-believer, non-UFO enthusiast.

Dan Aykroyd 44:49 I- it, it was a pure interview show.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 44:50 I didn't show any footage. I just, I just interviewed-

Joe Rogan 44:52 Just talked to people.

Dan Aykroyd 44:53 Yeah. So the day of my UFO show that I was gonna do my big Steven Greer and Stephen Bassett show, it got canceled, so ...

Joe Rogan 44:58 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 44:59 You know, there's that-

Joe Rogan 44:59 But do you think that they would can- ... Listen, sci-fi is all about those shows. I mean, I watched a, an episode of sci-fi where there's a bunch of people that claim to be trapped in a cabin in Maine because werewolves were outside. It's just like-

Dan Aykroyd 45:11 (sighs) .

Joe Rogan 45:11 It's ... They're into nonsense.

Dan Aykroyd 45:12 Well, they don't do talk shows.

Joe Rogan 45:13 I did a show on sci-fi.

Dan Aykroyd 45:15 Talk show?

Joe Rogan 45:15 I had a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, where I would go-

Dan Aykroyd 45:17 How long did it last?

Joe Rogan 45:18 Not very long, but part of that was my idea.

Dan Aykroyd 45:21 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:21 I didn't w-

Dan Aykroyd 45:21 And then you worked for Bonnie?

Joe Rogan 45:22 I didn't wanna keep doing it.

Dan Aykroyd 45:23 You worked for Bonnie Hammer, right?

Joe Rogan 45:24 No, it w- it was different people back then.

Dan Aykroyd 45:25 C- 'cause she's one of the smartest executives in the industry, and I-

Joe Rogan 45:28 I-

Dan Aykroyd 45:28 ... I, I, I don't doubt that she'll be running NBC someday, or all of Universal. But I, and I just, I just ... I would always like to know what happened. Did someone call you, Bonnie, and, and say, "You know, don't bring this up now."

Joe Rogan 45:38 I just don't think anyone's gonna call people about UFOs.

Dan Aykroyd 45:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:41 I mean, if they're gonna make phone calls, they're gonna, you know, take out Don Lemon or something 'cause he talks shit about Trump. (laughs) . They're not gonna-

Dan Aykroyd 45:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:47 You know what I mean?

Dan Aykroyd 45:47 Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, maybe she just-

Joe Rogan 45:48 It just- it just doesn't make sense.

Dan Aykroyd 45:49 I don't know. I'd always like to know what happened.

Joe Rogan 45:50 UFOs are w- openly discredited by normal people, people dismiss them.

Dan Aykroyd 45:56 Well, not entirely, though. Half the world, uh, d- believes. If you look at the work of Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean, New York Times reporters, they're credibly reporting these, this stuff. Barney and Betty Hill, the State of New Hampshire has certified their s- their, their, uh, uh, has certified their experience with a plaque. You can go to the place where they were allegedly abducted, and the State of New Hampshire has "UFO Incident" right there.

Joe Rogan 46:18 Right. But we both know that that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean it happened because someone-

Dan Aykroyd 46:21 Well, it means it's a state-certified or state-

Joe Rogan 46:23 Right. But it's New Hampshire.

Dan Aykroyd 46:23 ... recognized paranormal experience.

Joe Rogan 46:26 You can get anything certified in New Hampshire. That's a goofy place.

Dan Aykroyd 46:29 Well, I know Adam-

Joe Rogan 46:30 Shout-out to New Hampshire, but-

Dan Aykroyd 46:32 A- Adam Sandler comes from there. That's one of the-

Joe Rogan 46:33 Oh.

Dan Aykroyd 46:34 He's a, he's a, uh, definitely a, a national treasure.

Joe Rogan 46:36 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 46:36 There it is. There it is.

Joe Rogan 46:37 Betty and Barney Hill incident.

Dan Aykroyd 46:38 Isn't that great?

Joe Rogan 46:39 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 46:39 I mean, wow. Like, a state-certified ... And also another state-certified paranormal-

Joe Rogan 46:43 That was '61.

Dan Aykroyd 46:44 '61. Oh, right, '61. Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:44 It was right around the time ... That was, uh, a couple months before Kennedy was shot, right?

Dan Aykroyd 46:49 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Wasn't he shot in November?

Dan Aykroyd 46:51 Uh, '63 for him, right?

Joe Rogan 46:53 Yeah. Oh, was it '63?

Dan Aykroyd 46:54 Yeah, '63.

Joe Rogan 46:55 That's right.

Dan Aykroyd 46:55 And that was in '47 f- yeah. But there you go. That ... There you go. So look at that.

Joe Rogan 46:59 Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Couple Betty and Barney Hill experience a close encounter with an unidentified flying object-

Dan Aykroyd 47:02 And then in Marfa, Texas ... You heard of the Marfa Lights?

Joe Rogan 47:05 No, I have not heard of that one.

Dan Aykroyd 47:06 Well, the Marfa Lights are these anomalous ... And that's a state kind of recognized paranormal mystery too. Mysterious Marfa Lights. They have a, a kind of a picnic area where you can watch them at night. No one knows what they are. They appear every night and they bounce around on the horizon. They go up and down and back and forth. People say, "Oh, they're headlights from different cars on the highway." But the Air Force, uh, the state police, they've all tried (laughs) to figure out what they w- they are, and they just don't know what the Marfa Lights are.

Joe Rogan 47:30 You know what?

Dan Aykroyd 47:30 And they're recognized by the State of Texas as a paranormal event.

Joe Rogan 47:33 You know what ball lightning is, right?

Dan Aykroyd 47:33 But I like your skeptical view. Yes, I do.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 47:36 I like your view.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Ball lightning is a real thing that's created by pressure inside the tectonic plates.

Dan Aykroyd 47:41 But every night, consistently going back and forth-

Joe Rogan 47:44 No.

Dan Aykroyd 47:44 ... in symmetrical patterns.

Joe Rogan 47:45 But I mean, every night? Could we go there tonight-

Dan Aykroyd 47:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:47 ... and go film it?

Dan Aykroyd 47:47 Yes, we could.

Joe Rogan 47:48 100%?

Dan Aykroyd 47:49 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 47:49 Really?

Dan Aykroyd 47:50 Yup. Marfa Lights.

Joe Rogan 47:51 How many videos of the Marfa Lights are available?

Dan Aykroyd 47:53 Go ahead. Li- Marfa, Marfa, Texas.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Oh, there's a lot of them? Let me see something.

Dan Aykroyd 47:56 M-A-R. There they are. There they are.

Joe Rogan 47:57 Let me see what we got here.

Dan Aykroyd 47:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:59 Whoa. What do we got here?

Dan Aykroyd 48:01 Yeah. No one knows what-

Joe Rogan 48:02 That's rednecks. They're driving their trucks over the hill.

Dan Aykroyd 48:05 Well, that's what they say.

Joe Rogan 48:06 They got those lights.

Dan Aykroyd 48:06 And the Air Force and the police, they've looked in there, they've done surveys, they've done geodetic surveys. What is it? Is it gas? Is it what?

Joe Rogan 48:12 What do they think it is? What's the official explanation?

Dan Aykroyd 48:14 No one ... The ... No one knows. Mystery lights that State of Texas has a little plaque, the Marfa Mystery Lights. Enjoy them because they're there. They're gonna be there tonight.

Joe Rogan 48:20 Those seem-

Dan Aykroyd 48:21 6 PM till 2 in the morning.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Really?

Dan Aykroyd 48:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Every night?

Dan Aykroyd 48:23 Every night. Every night.

Joe Rogan 48:24 I'm gonna get a place out there.

Dan Aykroyd 48:25 Every night.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Smoke weed and stare at the sky. Do you ... Is there any UFO sightings that you think are nonsense? Is there any, like, m- mainstream ones that you listen to and you're like, "I'm not buying that one"?

Dan Aykroyd 48:38 Um, well, um, all the people that I've talked to that have had sightings and have had experiences seem very genuine. I don't know that anyone has been ... I don't know anyone that's been blown out publicly that I would doubt. I mean, can you think of one? I don't know ... I, I believe th- the Allagash boys, Calvin Parker down there in Mississippi, the Pascagoula incident.... I mean, again, their, their lives were severely negatively affected by these experiences. Um-

Joe Rogan 49:04 Right. But they didn't know whether or not that was gonna be the case when they reported on it. A lot of people do silly things that neg- negatively affect their life.

Dan Aykroyd 49:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:12 And it's, they don't, they're not aware, they don't, they're not f- future tellers. They, they're not-

Dan Aykroyd 49:17 There's a, there's a guy there, he was ... He says that the alien appeared at his back screen porch door. He's in Colo- Colorado. Do you know that gentleman? Uh, he says that the-

Joe Rogan 49:26 You're balls deep in this, man. You know all these stories.

Dan Aykroyd 49:28 This guy.

Joe Rogan 49:28 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 49:28 I, I, I don't really ... I don't know if I believe him-

Joe Rogan 49:31 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 49:31 ... because the-

Joe Rogan 49:31 No?

Dan Aykroyd 49:32 Yeah. Colorado, uh, alien at the back door. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Doesn't seem right?

Dan Aykroyd 49:36 I just look ... I don't know if I believe him or not. It's just like, like he was fabricating there, that guy. I-

Joe Rogan 49:40 I'm sure there's a lot of people fabricating things. And I'm also sure there's a lot of people that believe they're telling a true story, but in fact, they're schizophrenic-

Dan Aykroyd 49:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:49 ... or they have some issues, or ... There's ... I think there's a lot of that going on too.

Dan Aykroyd 49:51 You know, Billy Meier was, was doubted for many years.

Joe Rogan 49:53 Sure. I know that story.

Dan Aykroyd 49:54 Do you ... What, what do you think about, about him? The pictures are so vivid and the Pleiades, the Pleiadian story is so vivid, I don't, I don't, I mean-

Joe Rogan 50:00 Isn't there a book?

Dan Aykroyd 50:01 Uh, Billy Meier.

Joe Rogan 50:02 It's in the other room.

Dan Aykroyd 50:02 Uh, you can put Billy Meier-

Joe Rogan 50:03 It's in the other room.

Dan Aykroyd 50:03 ... UFO, uh, photos of him up there.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Where is he from? What-

Dan Aykroyd 50:05 He's Swis- he was a Swiss, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:07 Yeah. We have his book. That was the-

Dan Aykroyd 50:08 I know.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Somebody came to The Comedy Store and gave me this book on that guy.

Dan Aykroyd 50:12 And with the, with the big, big pictures and the ... Yeah. There it is.

Joe Rogan 50:13 But isn't that, isn't that widely proven that that guy is full of shit?

Dan Aykroyd 50:14 Yeah. They, they ... Well, they say ... Well, see ... Well, look at the one by the pine tree. They're going, they're going, "Oh, he attached the saucer to the pine tree." But-

Joe Rogan 50:20 I heard he threw it in the air and took a picture of it.

Dan Aykroyd 50:22 Okay. Well, that's one theory. But wasn't it ... You know, didn't they do that just to show the scale of their ship and ... Some of those photos are pretty, pretty convincing. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 50:33 Mm.

Dan Aykroyd 50:33 And, mm, okay if you wanna say doubt-

Joe Rogan 50:37 One guy who keeps taking awesome pictures of UFOs, I'm not buying it.

Dan Aykroyd 50:40 Mm, mm, well, again, you know, if there was anyone that I have doubt ... Because throw- so much doubt has been thrown his way-

Joe Rogan 50:47 Look at that one.

Dan Aykroyd 50:47 That's pretty, pretty ... I mean, h- how do you ... Well, I suppose with Photoshop, but Bruce Maccabee I believe has ... Bruce Maccabee's analyzed these.

Joe Rogan 50:54 (laughs) What does it say?

Dan Aykroyd 50:54 He wrote this book.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 50:55 He says they're real.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Right. But a guy who's writing a book on UFOs is analyzing UFO pictures-

Dan Aykroyd 51:00 No, but-

Joe Rogan 51:00 ... saying they're real. This guy wants to believe.

Dan Aykroyd 51:01 No. But, but, but Bruce Maccabee is a, is a doctor and, and, and he's a sci- he's a ... He went and worked for the Naval Air, Air

Narrator 51:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:07 I wanna talk to his ex-girlfriends, see if he's full shit.

Dan Aykroyd 51:10 Well-

Joe Rogan 51:10 Do you know what I'm saying? Like, like you could say all these positive things about people-

Dan Aykroyd 51:13 Yeah. He was ... He worked for the Navy, he was the-

Joe Rogan 51:15 Look at that one. (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 51:15 He's the expert. Well, he's the expert.

Joe Rogan 51:18 That one is-

Dan Aykroyd 51:18 He said he's-

Joe Rogan 51:19 That's the Gucci version. Look at that.

Dan Aykroyd 51:20 Yeah. That's ... Yeah. Look at those balls. What are they?

Joe Rogan 51:22 That's a bling-bling.

Dan Aykroyd 51:23 Those are the pinballs I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 51:24 That would ... If you had an Instagram account and you were an alien, that's the one you'd rock.

Dan Aykroyd 51:27 But I think he did a photo, he did a photo analysis and he said that, uh, that Bruce believes they're real. And I believe Bruce if you-

Joe Rogan 51:32 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 51:32 ... if you read, uh, this book here. He's, uh, he's the real thing. Like what Stanton was the real thing, Bruce Maccabee is the real thing because, uh, they're, they're scientists who are doing, um, you know, very, very, uh, thorough and close inquiry on the, on the matter.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 51:45 So, if you ask me who I doubt, maybe, I don't know, Billy Meier, I don't know. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Yeah. He took too many.

Dan Aykroyd 51:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:51 If you had like three-

Dan Aykroyd 51:52 It's like a glut. It's like too much chocolate.

Joe Rogan 51:54 Yeah. Yeah. Come on, bro. That's all you're doing? You're out there and they just come to you?

Dan Aykroyd 51:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:58 Why don't you set up a camera crew 24/7 for a couple of weeks and, uh, let's-

Dan Aykroyd 52:02 Well, Steven Greer uses lasers. He points them up to the sky and, and kind of attracts them that way.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 52:08 Yeah. You know, he's-

Joe Rogan 52:08 Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 52:08 Yeah. Well ...

Joe Rogan 52:10 I don't ... But he also-

Dan Aykroyd 52:10 He, his, his wife and daughters have said that if, you know, they've sat out and, and watched these things come and go in North Carolina at their house, so ...

Joe Rogan 52:16 But people saying that something happened and something actually happens-

Dan Aykroyd 52:19 Well, how about all the photos?

Joe Rogan 52:20 But his thing is about UFOs. He's made documentaries about UFOs.

Dan Aykroyd 52:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:26 His business is he knows a lot about UFOs.

Dan Aykroyd 52:29 What, what, what do you want-

Joe Rogan 52:30 I've talked to Greer. I'm not buying it.

Dan Aykroyd 52:31 Yeah. What you want is you want the Sam-, you want the, uh, you want the Herb Schirmer story.

Joe Rogan 52:36 What's the Herb Schirmer story?

Dan Aykroyd 52:37 Nebraska highway patrolman on patrol, sees a flash of light in the Ashland Oil Refinery near Nebr- Nebraska. A flash of light in an oil refinery in the broad daylight, not a good thing. Could be a fire. Goes up. Not into UFOs. Highway patrolman. Goes up. He was taken into a ship and deposited.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Mm.

Dan Aykroyd 52:55 He's one of the famous ones. So, no agenda there, didn't wanna tell a story-

Joe Rogan 52:59 Okay.

Dan Aykroyd 53:00 And he again got into trouble for it.

Joe Rogan 53:01 But again, here is the thing-

Dan Aykroyd 53:01 Herb Schirmer.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Herb Schirmer-

Dan Aykroyd 53:03 S-H-I-R-M-E-R. And a lot-

Joe Rogan 53:04 No disrespect to Herb, but some cops are crooked, they steal people's money, some cops rape people, some cops pull people over for nothing, some people shoot people for, for non-existing crimes.

Dan Aykroyd 53:16 Mm. Yeah. Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:17 There is a lot of ... There is a lot of people that just happen to be police officers that are also full of shit.

Dan Aykroyd 53:22 That's ... That ... A lot of people are full of shit, that's true.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 53:25 But I, I ... You know, again, here he is. He's a guy. Why would he say there is no-

Joe Rogan 53:29 Where's the evidence?

Dan Aykroyd 53:29 The other, the other one is-

Joe Rogan 53:30 Where's the, where's his evidence?

Dan Aykroyd 53:30 Well, his evidence is anecdotal, like a lot of it, but-

Joe Rogan 53:33 That's the problem, right?

Dan Aykroyd 53:34 Well, well, the Phoenix, the Phoenix Lights, there's, there's video of that.

Joe Rogan 53:37 That's a different one. That's a different story.

Dan Aykroyd 53:38 Um, Lonnie Zamora. Z- A- Z-A-M-O-R-A. He was a New Mexico highway patrolman. He said a saucer landed and he saw it land. And-

Joe Rogan 53:44 Dan Akroyd. Everybody wants to be special. And one of the best ways to be special is for you to have a special moment with some special creatures from a special place.

Dan Aykroyd 53:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:53 And no one else can recognize whether or not you're telling the truth or not telling the truth.

Dan Aykroyd 53:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:57 And if you talk about this and everybody wants to listen and they listen to you, they're totally fixated on everything you like to say-

Dan Aykroyd 54:03 Well, how about-

Joe Rogan 54:04 And that's, that's intoxicating.

Dan Aykroyd 54:05 How about Per- how about Pervez Jafari? Pervez Jafari. What about him?

Joe Rogan 54:08 Well, I like the name.

Dan Aykroyd 54:09 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Who is Pervez Jafari? (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 54:10 He's an ... He was an Iranian, uh, Air Force pilot and he still lives in Iran. He's ... Does many lectures. And he did the famous, uh ... It's the Iranian, uh, Tehran UFO sighting. He chased a UFO in his jet and the thing turned off all the electronics in the jet and he said this thing was moving. How about General Debreu? He's-

Joe Rogan 54:26 Well, how about David Fravor?

Dan Aykroyd 54:28 I don't know him.

Joe Rogan 54:28 He, he's, um, he's the guy that they were talking about on the, uh, Bob Lazar documentary. He's ... He experienced something that flew exactly like the Lazar ones. I'm, I'm gonna talk to him soon.

Dan Aykroyd 54:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:42 And he ... Incredibly credible and, you know, military accolades. He's a very well respected guy and he's never had any other fantastical sort of stories that he's told.... I can't wait to talk to him about this because he's-

Dan Aykroyd 54:57 Yeah, because Jafari's a good guess too. You should get him on.

Joe Rogan 54:59 There's-

Dan Aykroyd 54:59 And, and then there's the guy who flew the Alaskan, uh, you know, the Japan Airlines flight with all the wine on it and the UFO s- above Alaska. It circled them several times. That's a famous story.

Joe Rogan 55:08 I'd like to get a bottle of that wine.

Dan Aykroyd 55:09 Yeah. That would be-

Joe Rogan 55:10 Can you imagine?

Dan Aykroyd 55:10 Yeah, yeah. So Alaska Airlines sighting, that's another one. So no, but I like, I like your view. You are not gonna sit here and say, "Oh, it's all true. I'm accepting it all."

Joe Rogan 55:19 It's too easy and there's too many people that wanna do that.

Dan Aykroyd 55:20 But all I gi- all I give you, all I give you t- here today from my experience is the ones that I believe.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 55:26 And that's Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, the Odegark boys.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Betty and Barney Hill, yeah. Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill-

Dan Aykroyd 55:30 Betty and Barney Hill.

Joe Rogan 55:30 ... are, are a really interesting one 'cause there's also, there wasn't a precedent. Betty and Barney Hill in 1961, there wasn't a, a bunch of people that were talking about these things happening to them.

Dan Aykroyd 55:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:40 And since then, there've been very many that were really similar.

Dan Aykroyd 55:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Very similar. And it makes you wonder.

Dan Aykroyd 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 'Cause here, here's... But he, this is what I wanna say to people that are skeptical, and of course I'm skep- skeptical. That's why I'm m- knocking holes in these things.

Dan Aykroyd 55:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:54 But if that, if it did happen and you were left alone to try to explain to people something that is incredibly unique, very few people ever experience it, it would be so hard to get people to believe you. It would be so...

Dan Aykroyd 56:09 Well, that's why you have to go to a professional.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Even if it was true.

Dan Aykroyd 56:11 You go to a professional.

Joe Rogan 56:12 But even, there's no such thing-

Dan Aykroyd 56:13 You know, well, John Mack accept, you know...

Joe Rogan 56:14 ... just someone who can... Professional means you make money doing it, means you studied it and you make money doing it. There's not a single fucking human being on this planet that's a professional explorer of other worlds, right? There's not a single person on this planet that is a professional expert on alien civilization and can tell you everything they need to know. I know more about French-

Dan Aykroyd 56:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... about the langu- the French language than anyone that's ever lived knows about alien civilizations. And I don't know-

Dan Aykroyd 56:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:40 ... shit about French. Do you know what I'm saying?

Dan Aykroyd 56:42 Right. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:43 I know it's a real place. I know France is a real place, and French is a real language, and I can say, "Parlez-vous français?" That's more than anybody can explain-

Dan Aykroyd 56:50 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 56:51 ... about any, any civilization on some other planet.

Dan Aykroyd 56:53 You gotta take the credentials of the people who, who report these things.

Joe Rogan 56:56 I do, I do. But their credentials-

Dan Aykroyd 56:57 And I, I refer to, uh, the Leslie Kean's book.

Joe Rogan 56:59 ... are entirely terrestrial.

Dan Aykroyd 57:00 They are. That's right. No, um, you know, UFOs, uh, generals, pilots, and, and, uh, uh, on UFOs Go On The Record. That's Leslie Kean's book. And there's some pretty, pretty compelling, uh, you know, stories in there.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Do you remember Arsenio Hall when he had that, that thing he would do, things that make you go, "Hmm."

Dan Aykroyd 57:16 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:16 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 57:17 Hundreds in states see flying saucers, Indianapolis News. You know, anyway, this is a neat book by Bruce. I believe Bruce-

Joe Rogan 57:23 Look-

Dan Aykroyd 57:23 ... was the real thing. I believe Stanton is the real thing. And-

Joe Rogan 57:25 I... Listen, J. Allen Hynek is one of the more interesting characters to me because he ran Project Blue Book.

Dan Aykroyd 57:29 I love Project Blue Book, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 He ran Project Blue Book, and his directive was to debunk these stories.

Dan Aykroyd 57:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Whether or not they were credible, he was... His directive was to say, "That's a weather balloon. That's a, that's a star. This is, uh, swamp gas." That was his directive. But then when he left Project Blue Book, he said, "Listen, these things are real." He said-

Dan Aykroyd 57:52 Yeah, 20% of sightings are unexplained.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yes.

Dan Aykroyd 57:54 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:54 He said, "These things are real." And e- when you w- when you talk to a man like that-

Dan Aykroyd 57:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 57:58 ... whose living was in debunking these things, and then after it was all over, he was compelled to communicate with the American public that there was a real situation going on.

Dan Aykroyd 58:08 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 58:08 Going on.

Dan Aykroyd 58:09 There is. Um, and, you know-

Joe Rogan 58:11 He's, he's really interesting to me.

Dan Aykroyd 58:12 And Ken Arnold, his sighting is pretty compelling, uh.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Sure.

Dan Aykroyd 58:15 Um, so I think, I don't think they wanna form a relationship with us. I think they're coming and going like taxis, and they have been since the beginning of the existence of, of life on this planet or the existence of this planet.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Do you think they engineered human beings?

Dan Aykroyd 58:28 Well, that Mission to Mars movie is one of NASA employees' favorite movies. I think maybe they might ha-

Joe Rogan 58:33 What is a Mission to Mars movies? I don't kno-... That's a, it's, it's-

Dan Aykroyd 58:35 Uh, Mission to Mars, Tim Robbins, really good picture, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 It's a doc... It's not a documentary.

Dan Aykroyd 58:38 It's, it's a feature. It's a feature, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:40 It's a feature film. Mission to Mars.

Dan Aykroyd 58:41 Yeah. Yeah, it's neat.

Joe Rogan 58:41 What is it about?

Dan Aykroyd 58:42 It's about the mission to Mars and them discovering there was a civilization there, and that perhaps we were helped along in our development. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 What year was this around?

Dan Aykroyd 58:49 Uh, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 58:50 2000?

Dan Aykroyd 58:50 ... sure. Mission to Mars-

Joe Rogan 58:51 2000? Really?

Dan Aykroyd 58:52 Really good.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Oh, I remember. It was like a horror movie.

Dan Aykroyd 58:54 Here's the, uh, here's the, uh, the Marilyn Monroe-

Joe Rogan 58:57 Yes. I saw that movie.

Dan Aykroyd 58:58 Here's the cover of-

Joe Rogan 58:59 Marilyn Monroe.

Dan Aykroyd 58:59 ... the Marilyn Mo... There's a Case for Interplanetary Saucers. That was in Life Magazine.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Sure. Okay. I remember this movie.

Dan Aykroyd 59:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Now, was that a good movie?

Dan Aykroyd 59:05 It was.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Yeah?

Dan Aykroyd 59:05 It was really good. In the end, Tim Robbins kinda floats off in space.

Joe Rogan 59:08 There's been a few astronauts that got really deep into UFOs, right?

Dan Aykroyd 59:12 Uh, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Uh, Edgar Mitchell-

Dan Aykroyd 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Edgar Mitchell was one of them.

Dan Aykroyd 59:15 Well, I have an interesting story for you. And this is, of course, totally anecdotal.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Might need another drink.

Dan Aykroyd 59:18 And it's part of the l- it's part of the lore. And, um, mi- I... We have... You want another drink?

Joe Rogan 59:23 Hell yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 59:25 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 59:26 You wanna drink? Oh, wheat?

Dan Aykroyd 59:27 Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Uh, I, I do believe that we actually went to the moon. I, I, I don't believe that, um, I don't believe, uh, that, uh, that's a fake, uh, experience. I th- you know, um, some people say, "Oh, well, it was black and the dust didn't s..." You know, the dust, uh, w- flew up and it wouldn't, it wouldn't... Uh, Crystal Head vodka, cleanest vodka (laughs) in the planet, uh...

Joe Rogan 59:49 (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 59:49 Anyway. So I believe they went and, and, and, you know, I've, I've... Buzz Aldrin, a good friend of mine, love... A s- a good friend of everybody's, but I love Buzz. And, um, so they go to the moon and I, I love that story about there was only 17 seconds of fuel left when they, when they landed.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 1:00:06 And then that he had to kinda h- hop over some rocks to get there, you know. Um, so there's a story that Neil Armstrong was at a conference in, in, uh, in France in a hotel room and one o-... And there was a woman there who had been previously head of MI6 and she was a part of this cocktail party. And she overheard a conversation between Neil Armstrong and another gentleman who was in the intelligence service. And the guy was asking him about the moon landing. And Neil said, "You know, there was a frequency that we switched to, to talk about other things that were happening at that time." And the guy said, "What do you mean?" He said, "When we landed there on the rim of the crater nearby," he said, "there were several ships and they were large and menacing."

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 What's a menacing ship?

Dan Aykroyd 1:00:54 M- uh, large.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Shaped like one of your bottles of skulls?

Dan Aykroyd 1:00:57 Well, no, that... No, this here's a happy skull.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 That's menacing.

Dan Aykroyd 1:00:59 No, the Coneheads starship. Remember the Coneheads starship?

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Yeah, but I, I do remember that. (laughs)

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:03 So I mean, that's a total anec- I mean, what I think, you know, if that... If Neil Arm- if that's true...... you know? Well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Well, he only said that one time in French. Maybe they- we- maybe their translations sucked.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:12 Yeah, you know, the woman, again, the woman... Do you want this... Oh, I might as well have it straight, right? Uh, the woman, the woman was with MI6, purportedly. That's kind of a- a neat story, you know? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Of course it's a neat story.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Edgar Mitchell said that he saw something out there too, right?

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:25 Edgar Mitchell did, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Yeah, he- he was a fr-

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:28 ... and, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 He's- he's passed away.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:29 Condon.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 He's passed away since, right?

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:30 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Edgar Mitchell.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:31 No, there were-

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 He was a firm believer.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:33 And the- and then the- the STS, 1979 STS space shuttle footage, you've seen that. STS 1979, uh, tether, uh, satellite tether break.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Oh, I have seen that. Yeah.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:44 Yeah. The tether broke off, it was a mile long, and they were supposed to spin off a satellite, it was a mile long, and they- and it broke.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:51 So the tether is a mile long, but in the back of the tether, you see these O Lifesaver-shaped rings going back and forth.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 1:01:58 Well, David Serada says that's a species that was trying to help the planet and they were bringing giant water bags and giant, giant water vessels to heal our ozone layer. And it was a STS 1979 space shuttle, uh, tether-

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Water heals ozone layers?

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:16 ... and then you get... Water does?

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Uh, oh, they said w- wa- water, yeah. Water, water to- to... Big, big, massive, massive dumps of water, these were supposed to be, these O-shaped, Lifesaver-shaped UFO, uh, figures. And then what he did was he compared them against the length of the tether, which was a mile long, and said these things would have had to have been, you know, quite large. Now, that's David Serada. Mm-hmm.

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:37 You should have him on. He's a- he's a brilliant ufologist and theorist.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Mm.

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:41 And, uh, STS, uh, space shuttle 1979.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 You got that?

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:44 And then Lonnie Zamora, you should also check, and Herb Schirmer, S-C-H-I- uh, I-R-M-E-R.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 That's something.

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:50 And Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 This is, uh-

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:54 Something, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... just a piece of paper, but there's a video footage.

Dan Aykroyd 1:02:55 Oh, there we go, evidence for exather- ex- and plasmas in the thermosphere, there we go. There (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 "Ten separate NASA space shuttle meshes over 200 miles above the Earth within the-