Joe Rogan Experience #1355 - Mark Normand

1. 0:00 – 0:56

   Word-nerd cold open: “fort” vs “forté,” literally, and turmeric

   1. MNMark Normand0:00

      Pen, Pen Gillette said that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Pen Gillette told you that it's fort, not forte?

   3. MNMark Normand0:04

      Yeah. And he's, he don't, I don't fuck with-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      He's, he's a well-read man.

   5. MNMark Normand0:07

      Oh, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      He's, uh, he was just on.

   7. NANarrator0:10

      (laughs)

   8. MNMark Normand0:10

      Oh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      He's an interesting cat. Is that true? Is he correct, Jamie?

   10. NANarrator0:14

       There's, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       There's a little thing over the E, right?

   12. NANarrator0:15

       He gives two pronunciations for it.

   13. MNMark Normand0:16

       Ah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       Ah.

   15. NANarrator0:17

       One is forte, like, f- yeah, how she wants.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       Well, that's like the word literally. You know, the, the term literally has, we've actually changed the meaning because so many people used it wrong.

   17. MNMark Normand0:26

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Okay, for-

   19. NANarrator0:28

       Forte with the A right there, to-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Uh-huh.

   21. NANarrator0:32

       ... f- I don't know.

   22. MNMark Normand0:33

       And then, well, the A is first.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       And fort.

   24. NANarrator0:35

       And then they'll pronounce that O.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Interesting. So there's two different ones. Huh.

   26. MNMark Normand0:39

       But it might be like selfie, how it just creates itself over a while, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah. A thing that someone excels at. Small talk was not his forté or fort.

   28. MNMark Normand0:49

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Well, maybe fort was original and then someone kept fucking it up, like tumeric.

   30. MNMark Normand0:55

       Yeah, turmeric.

2. 0:56 – 2:14

   Audio tweaks and a quick detour into loud music & hearing damage

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:56

      It's just, yeah. I, we were just talking about how tumeric has an R in there. It's T-U-R, which I didn't know at all until, um, Laird Hamilton put his coffee machine in here. Did you just turn the volume down? Which one did you do?

   2. MNMark Normand1:10

      Oh, sorry. Is that my mic?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:12

      'Cause I just want, 'cause it's the main one.

   4. MNMark Normand1:12

      Am I high, am I hit? Cans are a little hot.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      Yeah, I'll turn it down.

   6. MNMark Normand1:16

      Oh, I appreciate it, sir.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      You can just hear really- is that better?

   8. MNMark Normand1:17

      Yeah, sure. I gotta stop touching stuff.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      You sound really good to hear stuff. Maybe, uh-

   10. MNMark Normand1:19

       I get crazy ears.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Pat Carney likes to hear himself loud when he talks shit.

   12. NANarrator1:23

       (laughs)

   13. MNMark Normand1:23

       He's gotta have, uh, some hearing problems. He's a drummer.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Oh, yeah.

   15. MNMark Normand1:28

       Rock star.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Oh, yeah.

   17. MNMark Normand1:28

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Rock star, drummer, all those guys go deaf, right?

   19. NANarrator1:30

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Or they have issues. The, well, the, that's the dude from AC/DC, the lead singer. He can't sing anymore, right? Because his ears are just shot. That's awful, man.

   21. MNMark Normand1:39

       Yeah. Every song sounds the same.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       They're the best.

   23. MNMark Normand1:43

       Ah, I don't know about the best.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Come on, bro.

   25. MNMark Normand1:45

       I don't know, man, I like them. They're fun.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       The fucking best.

   27. MNMark Normand1:47

       I don't know about the best.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       Well, they are an iconic band.

   29. MNMark Normand1:51

       I'll give you that. I like the-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Their songs, there's certain songs, I'm on the highway to hell.
3. 2:14 – 3:09

   Why some cultures “don’t do comedy”: language love, Germans, and pratfalls

   1. MNMark Normand2:14

      Can I say that, that, uh, you know how like the Middle East, there's not a lot of funny people out there? It's not, that's not a big part of their culture is comedy in the Middle East. And Seinfeld thinks it's 'cause we have a love of language. He thinks that's why Americans and British people are really funny, 'cause it's a, we think about the words.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      Hmm.

   3. MNMark Normand2:34

      I don't think they're... Same with German. Not a lot of German ha ha, you know what I mean?

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      Well, we had a German comic that was big in Germany that came to the store and was here for a couple of years trying to make-

   5. MNMark Normand2:44

      Did he suck?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:45

      He didn't suck, but he was real, he was, it was all physical. Like, apparently-

   7. MNMark Normand2:48

      Exactly.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:49

      In Germany, he's huge, but it was all, like, slipping on stage and-

   9. MNMark Normand2:53

      Ah, come on.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       ... pratfalls. (laughs)

   11. MNMark Normand2:54

       Yeah, come on. We can do better than that. We got words. The words are the, the interesting part, the, what you say, the writing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       You know what's a thing that people don't consider? Those pratfall guys-

   13. MNMark Normand3:04

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Are always in pain. They're always hurt.

   15. MNMark Normand3:07

       That's true. But so are we, mentally.

4. 3:09 – 6:52

   Buster Keaton’s genius and the brutal physics of stunts (waterfalls included)

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      Well, always... Yeah, but in a physical way. I think, I was always wondering about Chevy Chase 'cause you know Chevy Chase is s- supposed to be kind of grumpy.

   2. MNMark Normand3:15

      Yeah. I've heard that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      Yeah. He's-

   4. MNMark Normand3:17

      Heard he's a dick.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:17

      I've heard he's, he gets real grumpy. And I wonder if the dude is just in constant pain.

   6. MNMark Normand3:22

      Hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      Because you know how m- remember how many times he used to fall down? Like, he fell down all the time on Saturday Night Live.

   8. MNMark Normand3:28

      Did he?

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:29

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Fletch, the, the, the-

   10. MNMark Normand3:31

       Huh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       The, uh, detective movie.

   12. MNMark Normand3:32

       Yeah, yeah, I remember.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       He, he pratfalled all the time, like, wicked hard falls where-

   14. MNMark Normand3:37

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       It was clearly him.

   16. MNMark Normand3:39

       Wow. I didn't know he was a fall guy. You know, Buster Keaton, he's, like, so underrated. He broke his back and didn't realize it, and the doctor was like, "So when'd you break your back?" You know, he's got that crazy story.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Hmm.

   18. MNMark Normand3:50

       Uh, like, that guy fell all day long.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       I think it was his neck, in fact.

   20. MNMark Normand3:55

       Was it neck? Was it neck?

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Yeah. Someone br- just brought this up on the show, didn't they, Jamie? Didn't somebody just talk about that? It was just a few episodes ago, I believe.

   22. MNMark Normand4:02

       Oh, maybe, but he's, he's, like, not really brought up a lot.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       Right.

   24. MNMark Normand4:05

       He's fucking crazy how ballsy he was and how innovative he was. He would do stuff, like, he would draw, he... I remember one of his gags, he would paint on a wall a hook and then hang his hat on it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       Yeah, this one here is-

   26. MNMark Normand4:17

       I mean, like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Who brought it up, Jamie?

   28. NANarrator4:18

       Yeah, I'm trying to think. My-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Was it Penn? Might've been Penn.

   30. NANarrator4:20

       Might've been him or yeah, maybe Gaffigan, he would-
5. 6:52 – 8:19

   Generational media gap: kids don’t go backward, TikTok attention, and missing references

   1. MNMark Normand6:52

      Somebody raised a good point about how we have so many op... Like, I'm dating a lady who's a little younger than me. She's about 14. And she's, uh, always... Like, I'll bring up a movie, like Ghostbusters. She's like, "Never seen it." Godfather, "Never seen it." I'm like, "Don't you care, or you, don't you wanna see that?" And she's like, "I've never seen it. That was bor-... It w-... Came out before my time." And I'm like, "Yeah, but I know about the '70s and the '60s. Why do I know about that?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:14

      Hmm.

   3. MNMark Normand7:15

      I know about the f-... I know about Buster Keaton. Why do the younger people now, they only go forward. They don't go back at all. Have you noticed that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Yeah, I think they're inundated with too much stuff.

   5. MNMark Normand7:25

      I guess so.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      Think about it. They got Hulu, they got Amazon, they got Netflix. They're streaming things-

   7. MNMark Normand7:30

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:30

      ... constantly. They're doing TikTok and Instagram-

   9. MNMark Normand7:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       ... and everybody's checking social media. To force a kid to sit down and watch, you know, National Lampoon's Family Vacation. Good luck.

   11. MNMark Normand7:41

       I know, but it's good.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       It's great. It's great. I don't think they do that as much.

   13. MNMark Normand7:46

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       I think a lot of kids are playing video games-

   15. MNMark Normand7:48

       Sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       ... and they're streaming things, and YouTube-

   17. MNMark Normand7:52

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       ... is giant for them.

   19. MNMark Normand7:53

       It's vast.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       Giant.

   21. MNMark Normand7:54

       You can never s- suck it all up. But here's the, here's the clinker, is, they're missing out on a lot... I watched The Office with her, and she's missing references to a fucking Indiana Jones joke.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Ah.

   23. MNMark Normand8:05

       And I'm like, "You like this show, but, you know-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       That's interesting.

   25. MNMark Normand8:08

       "... you, you missed that joke." And then I gotta explain it to her, and she's like, "Who's that?" I'm like, "It's Harrison Ford. He was a this, he was an archeologist." She's, "Archeology? That sounds terrible." I'm like, "No, it was fun," you know.

6. 8:19 – 10:47

   From network polish to YouTube chaos: blender videos, makeup drama, and authenticity

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      My nine-year-old watches these little, uh, videos on YouTube where they blend things. These kids get together, and they're silly and they're laughing. It's so dumb. And they blend things. But it's dumb because I'm 52.

   2. MNMark Normand8:31

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:31

      All right? If I was nine, it would be awesome. Like, for her, it's awesome. Like, she's really enjoying it. She's laughing. It's like, it's not fake laughing. She watches them whether or not you tell her to or not. She's interested in it.

   4. MNMark Normand8:42

      Like, in a blender?

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:43

      Yeah, they just throw food in a blender and try to drink it. It's, it was so-

   6. MNMark Normand8:46

      Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      It was so dumb.

   8. MNMark Normand8:47

      That's it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      It's so dumb. And they're being silly and, you know, things slip out of their hands, and then they s- show a slow-mo of the thing slipping out of their hand. Like, it is inane. All right? It- it- it's just made for nine-year-olds by people who are, like, odd-

   10. MNMark Normand9:01

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       ... and 18 and 19.

   12. MNMark Normand9:02

       And I bet it's got millions of views.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       Millions of views.

   14. MNMark Normand9:05

       That's the... You can't predict. "I'm trying to write the best joke ever, put this video out. This is the funniest video." Nobody cares, and then you, you fart on a, on a taco salad and that goes viral.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       Well, do you know the makeup artist, uh, drama that took place on YouTube? Do you know about all that?

   16. MNMark Normand9:21

       N- no.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       I got roped into that too because of my kids. There was this-

   18. MNMark Normand9:24

       That's good, though. You're seeing new shit.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       ... guy. Yes. There's this young homosexual fellow who has makeup tutorials.

   20. MNMark Normand9:30

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       And he got into, uh, some sort of a public scrap with his mentor.

   22. MNMark Normand9:35

       James?

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       Yes.

   24. MNMark Normand9:36

       Something?

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       Something.

   26. MNMark Normand9:37

       I did hear about this.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This, this guy.

   28. MNMark Normand9:40

       Wow, he's good.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:41

       Look, the videos are fucking entertaining.

   30. MNMark Normand9:44

       (laughs)
7. 10:47 – 12:31

   America’s Funniest Home Videos as proto-YouTube—and what the internet shows now

   1. MNMark Normand10:47

      We shoulda learned that when... Remember when you were a kid and Bloopers came on? It was the fucking greatest thing ever.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:52

      Yes. Yes.

   3. MNMark Normand10:53

      But we, we went, "Ah, they're bloopers. What are you gonna do?" But that was, that was... We shoulda held onto that. We shoulda gone towards the bloop.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:58

      Well, America's Funniest Home Videos was the original YouTube.

   5. MNMark Normand11:01

      That's right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      Right?

   7. MNMark Normand11:03

      Kicked in the balls by a Shetland pony.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:05

      I mean, that was, that was it.

   9. MNMark Normand11:07

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       That's, that's what everybody realized they wanted to see people get kicked by animals.

   11. NANarrator11:12

       The way they run the show now, you submit a YouTube link to them and they just take it from YouTube and put it on the show.

   12. MNMark Normand11:18

       Wow.

   13. NANarrator11:18

       It's still on TV, but-

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       It's on TV, but it's YouTube clips.

   15. NANarrator11:21

       Yeah, on YouTube.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       That's hilarious. They just gave up.

   17. MNMark Normand11:22

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       They tapped out. (laughs)

   19. MNMark Normand11:25

       (laughs) They gave in to their maker.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       (clapping hands) (gasps) They tapped.

   21. MNMark Normand11:27

       That's hilarious.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       They tapped.

   23. MNMark Normand11:29

       No, that was Danny Tanner, who was a dirty comic. Or not D-... Uh, Bob Saget, sorry.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       Yes. Yeah, but that's his stage name, right? That was his name in the show, wasn't it?

   25. MNMark Normand11:38

       That wa-... That was his Full House name.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       The Full House name.

   27. MNMark Normand11:40

       Yeah, Sa-

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Yeah, Saget was a dirty comic.

   29. MNMark Normand11:42

       Yeah, filthy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       Still is. I mean, he is now. Uh, but I- I think he probably had to take some time off while he was doing the show, right? He didn't do any specials or anything.
8. 12:31 – 17:23

   Why jokes offend more than movies: stand-up “sounds like truth” and comedy craftsmanship

   1. MNMark Normand12:31

      Isn't that funny how it's the words we're all about now? Like, that's what I never got about, like, if I do a pedophilia joke, everybody's up my ass, but we'll all get around the campfire to watch the Michael Jackson doc.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      Yeah.

   3. MNMark Normand12:43

      Like, that happened. He's, he's splitting your as- he's talking about splitting a kid's ass cheek apart, and everybody's like, "This is crazy." But the joke that some comic tells bothers people. I find that odd.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Well, I think both those things bother people, for sure. I mean, the reason why the documentary was made was because people were bothered by it.

   5. MNMark Normand12:59

      I know, but they're, they're excited to watch. It's like a f-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:02

      Yeah, for sure.

   7. MNMark Normand13:02

      ... cultural phenomena, where like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      Well, we-

   9. MNMark Normand13:03

      ... "This is gonna be big, big show tonight."

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       Well, it's the-

   11. MNMark Normand13:06

       Popcorn.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       ... we knew, we know something was really wrong with Michael Jackson, you know?

   13. MNMark Normand13:12

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       Something was, something was really wrong. There was never anybody quite like him that was from a tiny little boy ... Like, how old was Elvis when he got famous? Probably like 20 or something, right?

   15. MNMark Normand13:24

       Yeah. Maybe later.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       And that was probably the biggest thing that had ever happened in pop music before Michael Jackson, but Michael Jackson was the first that we ever saw that was a baby, when he was on ... << ABC. >>

   17. MNMark Normand13:37

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       << It's easy as one, two. >> He was a little kid.

   19. MNMark Normand13:40

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       He was dancing around with his beautiful afro, and then we watched him become a grown man, one of the biggest superstars in the world, and we watched him go insane.

   21. MNMark Normand13:48

       Sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       We knew he, w- anybody who got that much plastic surgery, you know they're insane.

   23. MNMark Normand13:53

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       You know something's really wrong.

   25. MNMark Normand13:55

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       So we all knew it. So when the, the s- sex accusations, the pedophilia accusations happened, of course everyone's gonna wanna tune in. It's not like, you know ... It's, it's an, a human oddity-

   27. MNMark Normand14:08

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       ... as much as it is celebrity gossip. It's a-

   29. MNMark Normand14:11

       I agree, but what is it about jokes that really bother people? More than a movie. You know, you could have a movie rape, but if a-

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       Yeah.
9. 17:23 – 22:38

   Comedians’ styles and demons: Joey Diaz, Seinfeld/Jeselnik, and Richard Jeni’s tragedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:23

      Oh, it's great too. There's no better way. You know, there's Joey Diaz, who I think is the funniest guy that's ever lived.

   2. MNMark Normand17:28

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:28

      He's completely loose.

   4. MNMark Normand17:30

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:30

      Completely loose, you know?

   6. MNMark Normand17:32

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:33

      I mean, and but he, he'll catch these waves where you can't believe a person is ... It's possible for a person to be any funnier.

   8. MNMark Normand17:40

      Right, right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:40

      He just hits ... Joey Di- Has you- have you ever seen him murder?

   10. MNMark Normand17:42

       I've never seen him lie.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       Oh my god.

   12. MNMark Normand17:43

       To be honest.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       Dude, he-

   14. MNMark Normand17:43

       You always say he's the GOAT. I'm like, "I wanna see this goat."

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       He hits these waves where people are just like, "Shut the fuck up," where comics in the back of the room are holding themselves. I've seen everybody, man. I've seen everybody kill.

   16. MNMark Normand17:55

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Never seen anybody stronger than Joey.

   18. MNMark Normand17:57

       Wow.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       It's just these ... It's not like he's a Jeselnik-type writer where the-

   20. MNMark Normand18:02

       Sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       ... like if he does a special, it's gonna be so polished from the beginning to the end. No, he's trying to find himself in it.

   22. MNMark Normand18:08

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       But he's got seriously underrated joke-writing ability.

   24. MNMark Normand18:11

       Oh, really?

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       His economy of words, and he just says shit you don't see it coming, and it hits you like a fucking brick.

   26. MNMark Normand18:19

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       And you're like, "Oh my god." And h- you know-

   28. MNMark Normand18:21

       I wanna be around.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       That's what I love.

   30. MNMark Normand18:23

       Yeah.
10. 22:38 – 30:11

    Corporate gigs from hell: “Be edgy” is always a trap

    1. MNMark Normand22:38

       Yeah. Oof, I've had some bad cor- you mentioned corporates.

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:41

       Oh, never.

    3. MNMark Normand22:42

       You, did you do any?

    4. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       No, no.

    5. MNMark Normand22:43

       Oh, man.

    6. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       Thank God. Thank the baby Jesus.

    7. MNMark Normand22:45

       I did a gig at The Cellar. This guy showed up and he goes, "I like your stuff. You're edgy, you're raw. Come do my, uh, country club. Come roast my country club." I was like, "Oh, great." So he's like, he gave me a, a sheet of like all his employees and all their dirt and he's like, "Really zing 'em. Really make it vicious. They always say vicious." And I show up and it's like Mercedes and, you know, Benzes everywhere and Maseratis and I was like, "Oh, shit." White tablecloths. I go up and I do the mic tap. "Hey, everybody. I'm gonna do some comedy." And they go, "He's gonna roast everybody. Sit back." He's got a cigar and a suit. And I go, "Hey, Bill." And Bill stands up and I go, "We all know you're on coke. We've seen it."

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:21

       (laughs)

    9. MNMark Normand23:21

       And Bill's like, "What?" And his wife's like, "Why? Oh my God, you're supposed to be clean." And then I'm like, "All right, well, that didn't go well." Then I'm like, "Hey."

    10. JRJoe Rogan23:27

        (laughs)

    11. MNMark Normand23:27

        "Hey, uh, Jeff. Jeff, we all know you're cheating on your wife." And she's like, "I knew it!" You know, and the kids are crying and, you know, "Rob, we all know you're gay. Just come out already." And this is all the shit he gave me. And the place, you know, the place is in a, in a, in a brouhaha and I fucking ... The guy came back, he's like, "Get the hell outta here." So that was tough.

    12. JRJoe Rogan23:45

        Oh.

    13. MNMark Normand23:45

        True story.

    14. JRJoe Rogan23:47

        I would've imagined, uh, you woulda double checked.

    15. MNMark Normand23:50

        (laughs) No, I just used what he gave me. This is all I knew.

    16. JRJoe Rogan23:52

        That seems so ridiculous. That guy's ... And now, did you ever communicate with him after the gig?

    17. MNMark Normand23:56

        He was furious. Furious.

    18. JRJoe Rogan23:57

        He was mad.

    19. MNMark Normand23:58

        He was pissed at me. He's like, "What happened?" I'm like, "What do you mean what happened? I, I did the shit you gave me. You said, 'Be vicious.'" He, 'cause he's like, "I thought you'd make it funny." I'm like, "I just said the shit. I made jokes, but I still had the dirt."

    20. JRJoe Rogan24:09

        Oof.

    21. MNMark Normand24:09

        It was bad. I tried to do a couple, you know, jokes after about taxis and, and peanut butter, but it didn't fly.

    22. JRJoe Rogan24:17

        Nothing?

    23. MNMark Normand24:17

        No, they were, they were just yelling at each other. (laughs) They (laughs) they were ru- the whole thing was ruined. I ruined the whole party.

    24. JRJoe Rogan24:24

        Did you get paid?

    25. MNMark Normand24:24

        I got paid. I had to fight with the guy.

    26. JRJoe Rogan24:25

        Oh. Really?

    27. MNMark Normand24:26

        And it was a solid check, I might say.

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:28

        Wow. Nice.

    29. MNMark Normand24:28

        Nice chunk of change. But yeah, corporate.

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:30

        Anyways.
11. 30:11 – 33:49

    Finding your voice: bombing years, snapping at a heckler, and leveling up by moving cities

    1. MNMark Normand30:11

       Do you remember when you found you? I remember where I was when ... I, I bombed for, like, three years straight when I started. And I remember how I clicked. I just came online and became who I am, and it changed everything.

    2. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       What'd you do?

    3. MNMark Normand30:23

       I was at a show at, called Moe Pitkins. That was the name of the bar. It was on Avenue A. And I was bombing, and I was doing my dumb horse shit observational. And this guy started heckling me. And I just-... after bombing and living in New York and having bedbugs and just being poor and sad and lonely and drunk, I just snapped on this guy and it was killing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       (laughs)

    5. MNMark Normand30:43

       And I was, like, being me. And I was just calling this guy a piece of shit and like, "What's your life?" And I broke down his whole life and made him feel like an asshole. And I left there like, uh, I felt like a, a, an archangel. I was like a phoenix rising. It was amazing.

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       So you've realized that you can be yourself and if you are yourself, you're even funnier.

    7. MNMark Normand31:00

       Exactly.

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yeah.

    9. MNMark Normand31:00

       I was in this Seinfeldy, Paul Reiser shell.

    10. JRJoe Rogan31:03

        Mm.

    11. MNMark Normand31:04

        And I cla- I cracked that macadamia nut open and got out of there.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:08

        (laughs)

    13. MNMark Normand31:08

        It was great.

    14. JRJoe Rogan31:09

        That's beautiful.

    15. MNMark Normand31:10

        I felt 10 feet tall.

    16. JRJoe Rogan31:11

        I love hearing stories like that.

    17. MNMark Normand31:12

        But I still bomb constantly.

    18. JRJoe Rogan31:14

        Well-

    19. MNMark Normand31:14

        You know.

    20. JRJoe Rogan31:15

        ... if you take chances, you're gonna bomb.

    21. MNMark Normand31:16

        Of course.

    22. JRJoe Rogan31:17

        If you write new jokes, they're gonna, they're gonna fall.

    23. MNMark Normand31:19

        Right. You've lived in New York, huh?

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:21

        Yeah.

    25. MNMark Normand31:22

        Yeah, I'd, boy, that was, oof.

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:23

        That's when I got, I got way better.

    27. MNMark Normand31:25

        There you go.

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:25

        I had to get way, way better.

    29. MNMark Normand31:26

        Yes.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:26

        I had to get way better. I was coming from Boston to New York, and in Boston, I'd relied too much on, like, regional humor.
12. 33:49 – 43:18

    Hard New York and neighborhood economics: blockbusting, poverty, and ‘mob order’

    1. MNMark Normand33:49

       Yeah. But you, you lived in New York. When you moved there, did you have money?

    2. JRJoe Rogan33:52

       No, no.

    3. MNMark Normand33:53

       Yeah, okay. That was hell, right?

    4. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       It was hell. It was real bad. I was, I was actually staying with my grandfather-

    5. MNMark Normand33:58

       Oh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan33:58

       ... who was living in, uh, uh, Newark, New Jersey-

    7. MNMark Normand34:01

       Oh.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       ... on North Ninth Street.

    9. MNMark Normand34:02

       God.

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:03

        Right next to a guy who got his door broken down for selling crack.

    11. MNMark Normand34:06

        Sounds good.

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:07

        He had an Audi parked in his driveway.

    13. MNMark Normand34:08

        Ah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:09

        He had some, some cheddar. Um, yeah, my grandfather was there and bought a house. I think he bought a house in like the '40s.

    15. MNMark Normand34:17

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:18

        And somewhere later, like in the '50s or the '60s, they did this thing called blockbusting-

    17. MNMark Normand34:24

        I remember that.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:24

        ... where they would say-

    19. MNMark Normand34:25

        Good video.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:25

        ... that hey, a b- I think that was a storm.

    21. MNMark Normand34:27

        Oh, sorry, sorry.

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:28

        They would say that like, "Hey, uh, a Black person's moving into your neighborhood. Black people are gonna move into your neighborhood and it's going to drop your property value."

    23. MNMark Normand34:36

        Ah-huh.

    24. JRJoe Rogan34:36

        "So you gotta sell now before this happens." And a lot of people panicked-

    25. MNMark Normand34:41

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:41

        ... and just sold their houses. And my grandfather was like, "I like Black people. I'm staying right here."

    27. MNMark Normand34:45

        Huh.

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        So he just, he just never moved.

    29. MNMark Normand34:47

        Bad business.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:48

        He, he was just like, (clears throat) he was like, "This is my fucking house." Like-
13. 43:18 – 59:48

    Makeup, beauty pressure, women’s careers, and meritocracy (plus UFC as the model)

    1. MNMark Normand43:18

       Aren't you glad that women find funny... What would we do if y- you know, you're a-

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:24

       Be a real problem.

    3. MNMark Normand43:24

       ... you're, you're a, a wildebeest, I'm a, I'm a dweeb, you know? Like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:28

       (laughs) It'd be a real problem.

    5. MNMark Normand43:29

       Yeah, we'd be fucked. Thank God women can see past looks.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:33

       I know, 'cause men can't.

    7. MNMark Normand43:35

       Oh, Jesus.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       I mean, imagine if we would have t- we had to wear makeup.

    9. MNMark Normand43:38

       Oh, God, I'd kill myself.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        Imagine if... Like, I was watching a lady this morning in the car. I was heading... My kid had a, um, a little thing at wor- at school, um, one of those little, uh... One of those things called? What are they-

    11. MNMark Normand43:49

        Mascara.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        No, where they like-

    13. MNMark Normand43:51

        Dildo.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:51

        ... get on stage and they do-

    15. MNMark Normand43:52

        Jewels.

    16. NANarrator43:52

        An assembly of some sort.

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:53

        Assembly.

    18. MNMark Normand43:53

        Ah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        Thank you. God, why couldn't I come up with assembly? I was just at one this morning.

    20. MNMark Normand43:57

        Well, you're getting old.

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:58

        But anyway, I'm looking at this... I am. I'm looking at this lady in traffic, and she's applying base on her face, and she's doing this all while she's, like, in between traffic stops.

    22. MNMark Normand44:06

        Unbelievable.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:07

        They hit the red light, and immediately, they're putting their, they're putting their mask on.

    24. MNMark Normand44:10

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:11

        Dolling it up. I'm like-

    26. MNMark Normand44:11

        Uh-huh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        ... "Wow, it's such a weird thing to want to do."

    28. MNMark Normand44:15

        Yeah, I feel bad for women for... But then I also hate when they blame men for that. You know, they go-

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        Yes.

    30. MNMark Normand44:20

        ... "Oh, in a man's world, I gotta wear the makeup." Like, no, you don't have to, but you could also be considered less attractive. Like, it's a give-and-take here.
14. 59:48 – 1:14:27

    Technology, outrage, and Andrew Yang: social media’s complaint amplifier (and diet politics)

    1. MNMark Normand59:48

       ... kooky to think about when our parents were kids, how much time they spent on just getting somewhere or just writing a letter and then going to mail the letter, buying the stamp, and then going to the post-

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:59

       Hmm.

    3. MNMark Normand59:59

       ... and we can knock all that shit out with (click) one email?

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

       Yeah.

    5. MNMark Normand1:00:03

       D- All ... So think about all the time you've accumulated just from not doing that one thing-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

       Yeah.

    7. MNMark Normand1:00:08

       ... let alone Ubering and, uh, flights. Remember you used to call the travel agency? Now you can just (snaps fingers) boop, I got an app. I got a Delta app.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Whoa.

    9. MNMark Normand1:00:17

       It's ama- ... That's, that's so many minutes counting over and over through your whole life, so we can do pods, we can do comedy, we can do martial art, we can go to the gym. Before, people did one thing, you had Jack LaLanne, you know, he was just a workout guy, that was it. Now you're a fucking renaissance guy. You're all over the road, you got 12 hobbies and, and two kids. You're living.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

        I've got three kids.

    11. MNMark Normand1:00:38

        And you're... Three? Sorry, shit, I thought one died.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

        (laughs)

    13. MNMark Normand1:00:40

        But (laughs) , you know, you're on the road as well. I mean, we can do so much more because of all the time.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

        Yeah, you can do a lot more. Yep.

    15. MNMark Normand1:00:45

        It's pretty amazing. You can get a, a shirt. "Oh, I like that shirt." Boom, it's at my house tomorrow.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

        One click, Amazon.

    17. MNMark Normand1:00:50

        That's amazing. We, we got it-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

        It's incredible.

    19. MNMark Normand1:00:52

        We're in a good time except for all the complaining. It's funny how you complain more when things are going great. The better things are, more people complain.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

        I think the problem is more people have access to something that can broadca- broadcast their complaint. That's what it is.

    21. MNMark Normand1:01:05

        Sure, sure.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

        It's not just that more people complain than ever before.

    23. MNMark Normand1:01:08

        I think... You go to some poor town in India, I think they're... Even when they show the African kids with the distended belly, none of them are going, "This sucks! I hate it here!" They're still just sad. They're not complaining.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

        Right. Right.

    25. MNMark Normand1:01:18

        You go to a, an Indian town, I think, I think they're happier than we are.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

        I think-

    27. MNMark Normand1:01:22

        Ironically.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        I just think it's a broadcast issue.

    29. MNMark Normand1:01:24

        I don't... I think that hurts it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        I think it's a social media thing. Wait, I don't think it hurts it, I think that it is-

Episode duration: 3:21:45