The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1357 - Ari Shaffir
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150 min read · 30,014 words- 0:00 – 1:22
Sober October rule-bending: cigars, cheating, and internet nitpicking
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm, Ari Shaffir, we're here.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's Sober October.
- ASAri Shaffir
Bleh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hey, are we allowed to smoke cigars or no?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, we're allowed to smoke cigars.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let's smoke a cigar. Let's fucking bend the rules a little.
- ASAri Shaffir
I have three in my trunk.
- JRJoe Rogan
I have two right here.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
I mean...
- JRJoe Rogan
These are good. I was, uh, smoking cigars with Burr on the show. People are gonna be mad at us.
- ASAri Shaffir
Why?
- JRJoe Rogan
"This is tobacco. You're using tobacco products. You're totally cheating."
- ASAri Shaffir
Well, they can suck my cheese.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm. Um, they can or it can?
- ASAri Shaffir
They can suck my cheese-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay. Sucking cheese.
- ASAri Shaffir
... with their fucking stupid rules. It's already hard enough.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. Cheese.
- ASAri Shaffir
Do you remember one time-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
... you weren't, you weren't masturbating for a month?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, true.
- ASAri Shaffir
You remember that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
And all those people were like, "Yeah, but you're having sex. Don't do it with sex." And you're like, "Dude, I'm not playing your game. I'm doing a thing for myself."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Doing my game. Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs) Everybody wants rules. I start working out. "Oh, what are you doing?" "Oh, just bench." "No, dude, you gotta do legs, or you're not doing anything." (laughs) You're like, "Can you give me two times?"
- 1:22 – 2:51
Phone addiction experiments: flip phones, screen-time limits, and self-control
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you on that light phone now? What are you, when are you on that?
- ASAri Shaffir
No, it hasn't come yet. It's coming at the end of October.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- ASAri Shaffir
I, I'm trying a regular phone this month.
- JRJoe Rogan
A regular phone?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. I, so I got a new number.
- JRJoe Rogan
Spark that.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, yeah. I got a new-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like a cell phone?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like a real cell phone, like a smartphone?
- ASAri Shaffir
No, I got a new number and it's a regular flip phone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- ASAri Shaffir
But the old number, I'm keeping it on on a smartphone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- ASAri Shaffir
And I'm seeing if I can handle it for a month.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can handle it.
- ASAri Shaffir
I don't know. Signs are not great already.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
It's the fucking being alone and just kind of flipping through.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- ASAri Shaffir
Watching Walking Dead and then flipping f- like, o- double screens.
- JRJoe Rogan
My daughter has, um, a phone now, but she has a little thing. My young, my middle daughter, not like the older one. That would be ridiculous. But, um, where you, she has a screen limitation, where she can only, uh, use the screen for-
- ASAri Shaffir
Can she turn it off?
- JRJoe Rogan
Can she? No.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. It's not just on an alarm?
- JRJoe Rogan
No. She doesn't get to. We do it. So she got an hour. You got an hour.
- ASAri Shaffir
And then what happens after the hour?
- JRJoe Rogan
It stops working.
- ASAri Shaffir
What, what stops working?
- 2:51 – 6:47
Sober October lore: Bert, Tom, and why competition got complicated
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm hoping that Bert and Tom both say that we cheated already.
- GUGuest
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Because we're smoking cigars-
- ASAri Shaffir
And then we're out.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and we're good.
- ASAri Shaffir
Dude, the first year-
- JRJoe Rogan
I'll take everybody to dinner somewhere.
- ASAri Shaffir
S- somebody said kombucha. They were like, "Kombucha already cheated." I was like, "Guys, you tell me right now if this is cheating, 'cause I'm done."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's cool. I'm out.
- JRJoe Rogan
One of the great things about our contest is there's no real ramifications other than talking shit. You know, like, Bert came in last, but what happened to him? Nothing.
- ASAri Shaffir
What happened to him?
- JRJoe Rogan
Nothing.
- ASAri Shaffir
Nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
He, he just talked, we just talked shit about him.
- GUGuest
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
Fuck him. All he did was talk shit and then dealt with no repercussions.
- JRJoe Rogan
We all knew that we couldn't lose to Bert. That was, that was, um, a massive motivating factor for everyone, including Tom. Remember when Tom came back and he ran 13 fucking miles?
- ASAri Shaffir
He was done. On injury, he was done.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he was sick. He got really sick. He caught the flu.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he came back, and the day back, he ran 13 fucking miles.
- ASAri Shaffir
To try to, like, catch up.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he did catch up.
- ASAri Shaffir
He did.
- JRJoe Rogan
Catch up and pass him. Bert was like, "What are you doing? I thought I was winning. I thought I was gonna win."
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Let's hip hop dance."
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"What are you doing? What are you doing? I thought I was gonna win."
- 6:47 – 8:19
Mushrooms, phone misery, and the slippery aftermath of heavy psychedelics
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you imagine what kind of a person you'd be at the end of the month if you did mushrooms every other day?
- ASAri Shaffir
Can I tell you a story?
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- ASAri Shaffir
So I went to a music festival and there was this guy who had ... A lot of my camp had never done any mushrooms. And this guy did mushrooms for four straight days. Four straight days. He, the second day he was like, "Can we do mushrooms again?" I'm like, "I ... They're not gonna work, you really have to do twice as much." He just kept going. Third day, kept going, just munching mushrooms. Four days. Didn't touch his phone at all. Didn't touch it. He had like 4% battery the whole time it was off. And then he turned it on and he texted and he had to tell work he wasn't gonna come in the Monday. You know? He'll work from home. They gave him some shit and he just looked at his phone. After being on shrooms for four days, he looked at his phone, he could just see it rush into his head like, "This thing brings me such fucking misery and I had such a good time without it." And you could just see all that sweat on his head, he just goes, and he fucking launches it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- ASAri Shaffir
He just chucked his fucking iPhone as far as he could.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. (laughs) It was such a great moment. You can't do mushrooms too many days in a row, you get fucked up.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, what, did he d- did he sober up after that and then call his-
- ASAri Shaffir
No, his friend-
- JRJoe Rogan
... job and apologize and get a new phone?
- ASAri Shaffir
... his other f- his other friend went and got it and like held it and pointed it out. I'm like, "No, I'm holding this for you." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It wasn't broken?
- ASAri Shaffir
No, it didn't break.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's amazing.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Where were you guys at? Was it dirt you threw it on?
- ASAri Shaffir
It was on a dirt/rock path, yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it could've easily hit a rock.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, easily.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oof. Do you have a case on it?
- ASAri Shaffir
I don't know. (laughs) I don't know. I think more the point is that he threw it.
- 8:19 – 12:12
Fragile tech and expensive gadgets: cases, folding phones, and the Light Phone idea
- JRJoe Rogan
The new ones are supposed to be way more resistant, to drop it.
- ASAri Shaffir
I love how the, as soon as they came out, they were like, "Oh, and if you drop it from more than a foot away, it's gonna break, this grand new design, the iPhone 2010."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It is a weird thing, right, where guarantee you're gonna drop it.
- ASAri Shaffir
Guarantee.
- JRJoe Rogan
And guarantee if you drop it, it's gonna break. Like I had Neil deGrasse Tyson on recently and he's always got NoCase on his phone, that's the thing. He marvels about the, the, the design, it's amazing design. And what you do is you get Jamie rocks NoCase because of Neil deGrasse Tyson's big old comment.
- ASAri Shaffir
You gotta listen to him.
- JRJoe Rogan
over there.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
Why, what'd he say?
- JRJoe Rogan
But anyway, he came back and his fucking phone was broken.
- ASAri Shaffir
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
He had dropped it, 'cause he pulled his pants off, like, or, uh, his jacket off or something like that, and it was in the pocket of his jacket and it fell to the floor when he, like, pulled his jacket off the couch.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, yeah, he didn't g- he didn't account for the centrifugal force of his pants coming down, off the-
- JRJoe Rogan
And gravity.
- ASAri Shaffir
... off the torque-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ASAri Shaffir
... off all that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- ASAri Shaffir
It didn't account.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he has this Starry Night van Gogh painting, it's-
- ASAri Shaffir
It's all shattered.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like a, a thing on his back, the back of his phone, and little bits of glass were coming off it and he realized that it was cracked. Like, "Ha ha, I got a case on mine."
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs) Ha ha, you're not smart.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Ha ha, so smart that you don't have a case." But it is weird that there, we have this super expensive thing that everybody carries around with them that if you do drop it, it will get fucked up.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, man? What? Did you see that new Fold phone that costs like $2000? The Galaxy-
- ASAri Shaffir
I heard about those years ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you can't even use a pen or you can't use your fingernail or anything, it'll scratch the screen.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh what? That's crazy high.
- 12:12 – 20:05
From Joker hype to Terrence Howard: when ‘genius’ sounds like DMT
- ASAri Shaffir
I'm excited for Joker.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Looks, looks pretty good.
- ASAri Shaffir
It does look pretty good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember when Joaquin Phoenix was pretending to be crazy?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. What was that? And you could sort of tell at the time that he was sort of pretending.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
He was, he's-
- JRJoe Rogan
He was, he had a character he was doing for a documentary.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. And it was like, "What, what is this? I don't get it." Have ... Did you see the guy from Empire's, um, speech, like, interview?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yes.
- ASAri Shaffir
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yes.
- ASAri Shaffir
Like, that seems-
- JRJoe Rogan
Terrence-
- ASAri Shaffir
... almost like he's not preten- ... Like, he's, if he's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- ASAri Shaffir
... pretending, he's doing a better job acting than Jaoquin Phoenix did.
- JRJoe Rogan
What is his ... Terrence?
- GUGuest
Terrence Howard. Yeah. He saw a-
- ASAri Shaffir
How ... Yeah.
- GUGuest
... Flower of Life or something.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Terrence Howard, uh, the guy who interviewed me for Rolling Stone, told me that Terrence Howard is, like, a legitimate genius. Like, he's like ... He talked to the guy. The guy's absolutely brilliant.
- ASAri Shaffir
Maybe he figured it all out.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think he got high as fuck on DMT. That's what it sounds like. He's talking about flowers and-
- ASAri Shaffir
He figured it all out. Yeah. It does sound-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
... like that, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
100%. Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. It all makes sense. Like, the i- ... But the inability to explain it, just kinda like, "It's all connected." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But he was ex- not explaining it very well, but very articulately. Like, he was using ... It wasn't, like, nonsense talk.
- 20:05 – 25:57
Comics, the Comedy Store pipeline, and building sets like tools
- ASAri Shaffir
How shitty is standup when, on your way down, that's what people go into before their last step out-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ASAri Shaffir
... of st- out of complete, um, show biz.
- JRJoe Rogan
Marty Daniels is doing standup now.
- ASAri Shaffir
Piven.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, they're all like, "Well-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- ASAri Shaffir
"... I'm gonna just try this at the end."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, standup, if y- look.
- ASAri Shaffir
No respect. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But here's the thing, if they did it and loved it and respected it and was fucking gung-ho for it, um, I d- I have a unique opinion. I mean, I know a lot of comics get real mad at people trying to do comedy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I feel like anybody trying to do comedy is a comic.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If, if you respect it and you treat it well. That's how I've always treated open micers. If you are an open micer-
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in my opinion, you are a comic. You, you're one of us.
- ASAri Shaffir
Except the no Black thing you always say.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no. Not's not anymore. I've been-
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, oh, oh. Sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no. It's, uh-
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, oh, oh. You woke up.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
You woke up. Sorry, sorry. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I got woke.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No. No, it's- now it's, uh, it's only Asians of a certain... No, I'm just-
- 25:57 – 27:08
Comedy vs outrage culture: Chappelle, Burr, ‘woke theology,’ and platform fear
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you, you said something that I think is so true, that this is a great time for real comedy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's great.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just comedy's dangerous again.
- ASAri Shaffir
Ah, it's so much fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
People hear stuff and they're like, "Whoa."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's back into these little basement rooms. Everyone's attacking it all the time. It's so great. (laughs) You know when people get mad at you for saying something like harsh?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
And you walk through it like, "Fuck you!"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
'Cause you know like you made some Catholic joke and they're all like butt hurt 'cause they're Catholic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
You know, and you got them. And you know it's okay 'cause they're only there la- angry and everyone else is laughing like crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Now, the scale of that is just way larger.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Your stuff can go out and just like get a bunch of people angry.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
Which is the people that are cool enough to like actually like the stuff. It feels way more dangerous and fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what we should do with this podcast with Tom and Bert? We should do like buds training, bring in buckets of ice and just have vodka all over the table.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, to see if they'll be okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, to see if they tap, they ring the bell.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
I could see Bert doing that.
- JRJoe Rogan
We could talk Bert into ringing the bell, especially if we tell him we smoked cigars when we got high.
- ASAri Shaffir
We smoke cigars laced with, uh, formaldehyde.
- 27:08 – 48:20
Police shooting case detour: wrong apartment, fear responses, and legal labels
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you hear about that lady? This has nothing to do with that.
- ASAri Shaffir
What?
- JRJoe Rogan
But she just got convicted today of murder. She walked into the wrong apartment.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, a cop, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
And she thought... Yup, she thought this guy was in her apartment, she shot him and killed him and she-
- ASAri Shaffir
She said, "Let me see your hands."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
And, and but he... And from his point of view it was like, "What? Who the fuck are you?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ASAri Shaffir
"Let me see your hands."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
And she shot him.
- JRJoe Rogan
I didn't hear that part, but I just know that she shot him and murdered him accidentally.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
She thought he was in her place.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. She, yeah, it's a to- it's like I heard her like crying on the stand.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
And it was like, damn, I... But it's just like I don't know, why do you keep going and shooting?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, why isn't she shooting right away?
- ASAri Shaffir
You know what I mean? Why not just don't shoot?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Did the guy run at you?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, I... It's like...
- JRJoe Rogan
Like when do you shoot someone if you find them in your house?
- ASAri Shaffir
Is the training wrong? Why unarmed people are getting shot? It's not even like, "Hey, can I get a sandwich real quick?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's not even like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's just like, I mean, you got it wrong. At very least you got it wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I- I've said this many times that I think the vast majority of interactions that people have with police ar-... They're positive, there's no problem.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- 48:20 – 1:03:13
Berlin nightclub culture: phone stickers, marathon partying, and total debauchery
- ASAri Shaffir
... nightclub in Germany, in Berlin. It was fucking so fun. Dude, I've been having fun going around places.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah? Tell me.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What did, what was it?
- ASAri Shaffir
Um, okay. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's fucking nuts. They do shit on another level there. I'm not into EDM and stuff, but like, it was great. As soon as you walk in, it's like, okay, first of all, you can't even get in. Oh my God. Okay, the first thing you see when you get in is just a bunch of people in leather, worn out. It goes from Friday night midnight until, like, Monday at about noon.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- ASAri Shaffir
And you can just stay in and do hella drugs and just dance for, like, techno and, like, house music on different floors.
- JRJoe Rogan
People die in there?
- ASAri Shaffir
They must. They must.
- JRJoe Rogan
They must. They must go too hard and have heart attacks.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, but everyone ... Yeah, they must.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
But when you're down there, it's on the third d- level where there's no ... And there's people just coming down. I went in like a day and a half, so it was like Sunday when I went. So people were just like, out of it, sweaty, girls with, like, tutus and like, whatever. There's a coat check place where somebody said, um, somebody checked their gimp one time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Into the coat check place?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, like, "You gotta stay here for me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Make him wait?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- ASAri Shaffir
Okay.... the very first thing I saw. I go in, it's overwhelming. Me and my promoter were there and we're like, "This is fucking too much." And, uh, we're like, "All right, let's get beers." And I saw ... (laughs) This is so great, dude. It, the way to get in is just to wear all black or wear leather, or just be with gay people. Gay people just get in and they make sure it's, like, a good time for everybody. And, uh, they make you put a sticker over your phone. No pictures. They'll throw you the fuck out. Do whatever drugs you want. Anyway, as soon as I see that, there's a guy at the end of the bar just getting jerked off as he's ordering.
- JRJoe Rogan
By a guy or a girl?
- ASAri Shaffir
By a guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jerked off by a guy?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- ASAri Shaffir
And he's fucking ... (laughs) Order the beer, out of it on drugs-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
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