Joe Rogan Experience #1364 - Brian Redban

Joe Rogan 0:04 Hello, Joe.

Brian Redban 0:04 Hello, Brian.

Joe Rogan 0:04 What are you doing?

Brian Redban 0:06 Just hanging.

Joe Rogan 0:07 Yeah, um, you're not sober are you? Y- this isn't Sober October for you?

Brian Redban 0:10 Uh, no.

Joe Rogan 0:11 You're not doing it?

Brian Redban 0:12 Nah.

Joe Rogan 0:12 No? You can get high? I'll watch.

Brian Redban 0:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:14 If you want me to.

Brian Redban 0:14 Can I blow it on you?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban 0:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 I don't think that counts.

Jamie Vernon 0:17 There's, uh ... Yeah, I would take one of these.

Joe Rogan 0:19 It's gotta be ... Oh, this is a joint. This, this fat right here.

Brian Redban 0:21 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah, that's all weed. That's Mike Tyson's weed.

Brian Redban 0:24 Oh, sweet.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Yeah. Look at this, I got a, a torch.

Brian Redban 0:28 Oh, you got a cigarette lighter.

Joe Rogan 0:29 A cigar torch. I could smoke a cigar with you.

Brian Redban 0:30 Oh, sweet.

Joe Rogan 0:31 That's legal. We, Ari and I were thinking that when we started Sober October, we started smoking cigars, we were thinking maybe that will disqualify us, and we could just quit.

Brian Redban 0:40 Yeah, what does ... Like, komb, kombucha has alcohol in it.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Kombucha?

Brian Redban 0:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 Yeah. But it's, it can't really get you drunk, you stay sober. You would have to drink a case of it to even catch a buzz.

Jamie Vernon 0:49 (coughs) But if you scheduled a doctor's appointment, like a dentist appointment and they gave you some, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:54 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 0:55 ... pills or something, is that a-

Joe Rogan 0:55 You could get lit up.

Jamie Vernon 0:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:57 Yeah, like what if you get surgery? Like, what if somebody got their appendix taken out?

Brian Redban 1:01 Yeah, are you allowed to do any kind of, like, medication or medicine or ...

Joe Rogan 1:05 No, you have to die.

Brian Redban 1:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07 (laughs) Yeah. There's no, uh, there's no real, um-

Jamie Vernon 1:11 Rules.

Joe Rogan 1:12 ... rules for that. I mean, look, it's not... The thing about this contest that's really stupid is there's no consequences.

Jamie Vernon 1:19 That's true. Not even a friendly penalty of, like-

Joe Rogan 1:21 No, there's nothing.

Jamie Vernon 1:22 ... open first on wine or ...

Joe Rogan 1:22 There's nothing. I could have a glass of wine right now.

Brian Redban 1:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 Nothing could happen.

Brian Redban 1:26 Yeah. Oh no, I've lost.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Yeah. Oh my God, I lost.

Brian Redban 1:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 Um, I'll tell you what, though. I've been getting a lot of messages from people that are inspired, and it makes me feel real good. I- I, I reached out to some dude yesterday on Instagram 'cause he lost something like 200 fucking pounds. You know? I mean, it's crazy. That's the dude who had the scars all over 'cause he, uh, he got his, uh, l- l- the extra skin removed after he lost all the weight. It's amazing. Sober October, you know, uh, sometimes you just have to have a thing like that where everybody goes, "I'm gonna do it too." And then it gives you the reason, like a motivation to get going. That, sometimes that's all people need, man.

Brian Redban 2:05 Yeah, I just got over the, the keto thing, so now I'm just like, "Fuck that." I, uh, I feel like, uh, I'm free again, like I can, you know, have normal food again. And that, that's hard to do, man. That, th-

Joe Rogan 2:16 Keto's hard to do.

Brian Redban 2:17 It, it, it kinda got to me to the point where now I'm, like, doing the opposite. Like, I'm just like, "I wanna eat everything 'cause I, I've been wanting to eat pizza for so long." And, you know.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Like Catholic schoolgirls.

Brian Redban 2:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 You tell them to stay away from tech and they can't wait to get a hold of one.

Brian Redban 2:30 R- uh, yeah, 100%.

Joe Rogan 2:31 That's what it is. It's, uh, uh, people don't like being told what to do. They don't like, um, being forced into something that they don't enjoy. That's, you know, that's why school is ineffective. That's why so many things don't work. But the, the keto thing, the problem with it is, um, I, I think it's a healthy thing for a lot of folks. If you have epilepsy, apparently it's the thing, because it can stop your seizures. You know, there's people that have epilepsy, they, they get ketogenic and it just kicks it, k- kicks it off. It just, you don't, you don't get seizures anymore. But it's boring.

Brian Redban 3:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:06 Every now and then I want pasta, and also fruit. I like fruit.

Brian Redban 3:10 That was the biggest one for me, just fruit. Like, watermelon. You know how great just having some watermelon in the morning is, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:15 Oh my God. It's the most delicious fruit ever, I think.

Brian Redban 3:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Like, a good, perfect watermelon on a hot day? My God, it's amazing. You know, it's fu- ... It's a fucked up fruit though, 'cause it's the only racist fruit.

Brian Redban 3:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:29 You know? It's like the only fruit that's attached to racism. There's no other fruit where you can make fun of someone for eating it, it's like racist. Have you ever had that, um, durian shit?

Brian Redban 3:40 (coughs) Yeah. That sh- it's good.

Joe Rogan 3:42 It's not bad, right?

Brian Redban 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 But God, it smells weird.

Brian Redban 3:44 It smells horrible.

Joe Rogan 3:44 It's ... S-

Brian Redban 3:44 It smells horrible.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Have you had it, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 3:46 No, this is ...

Joe Rogan 3:47 It's like, they have it in Thailand. In Thailand, they love it. I tried it in Thailand. It's like this weird ...

Brian Redban 3:52 It's like spiky looking.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Yeah, spiky on the outside, and then the inside, it's kinda mango-like.

Brian Redban 3:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Sorta like a pale mango. Um, it's not my favorite, but I tried it. But God damn, it smells like dog shit. It smells so bad that they ban it in a lot of hotels because people will go into hotels and, you know, like, folks that, they come from a culture where they eat that stuff all the time. They'll bring bags of it and the whole family's eating that stuff and it wafts down the hallway on people like, "What in the fuck?"

Jamie Vernon 4:19 They say it smells like Limburger.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Like Limburger cheese?

Jamie Vernon 4:21 Or it has been compared to Limburger.

Joe Rogan 4:23 Yeah, it's got a weird smell.

Jamie Vernon 4:25 You can't take it on public tran- transportation in some places either. Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:29 Yeah, it stinks.

Brian Redban 4:30 My-

Joe Rogan 4:30 It's, it's weird, but it tastes good.

Brian Redban 4:32 My friend did that fasting diet, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:34 What's that?

Brian Redban 4:35 T- that, that one that everyone s- ... Not fasting, the one th- where you only eat, like, a small part of the day, uh.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Yeah, I do that.

Brian Redban 4:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Intermittent fasting.

Brian Redban 4:41 Intermittent fasting.

Joe Rogan 4:42 Yeah.

Brian Redban 4:42 And, uh, he woke up, uh, sleepwalking one night.

Jamie Vernon 4:47 Hmm.

Brian Redban 4:47 And, uh, found out on his nest cams, like, his, his security cameras, he, he goes into the bathroom, passes and, like, kno- falls down and hits his head.

Joe Rogan 4:57 (laughs)

Brian Redban 4:57 And he showed a picture, there was just blood everywhere in his bathroom. Goes back to bed, didn't even know about it. Wakes up and he sees blood everywhere, uh, checks his cameras, found out he's sleepwalking. Couple days later, he starts having seizures, like, like, out of the blue. Goes to the doctor and the doctor says it's because of that, that diet he was doing. His brain was starving. That's what that doctor said, by the way.

Joe Rogan 5:17 That doctor's making shit up.

Brian Redban 5:18 Yeah, you think that it's-

Joe Rogan 5:19 That guy, yeah, that guy needs to go to the neurologist.

Brian Redban 5:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:22 He's probably got a fucking brain tumor.

Brian Redban 5:23 One thing, though, I did know-

Joe Rogan 5:25 (laughs)

Brian Redban 5:25 ... is that when I was on keto, uh, I slept walked a lot. And it r- I think it was my body trying to find sugar be-

Joe Rogan 5:32 Really?

Brian Redban 5:32 Yeah. Uh, 'cause I never sleepwalk 'cause I have cameras in my living room and, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:37 I can't do this on podcast.

Brian Redban 5:38 Yeah, I know, it's kinda weird. But, uh, when I was on keto I slept walked maybe 10 times. Haven't, uh, since I've been off, haven't slept walked once. And I-

Joe Rogan 5:45 Can you say slepwalk? Is that the right ...

Brian Redban 5:47 Slepwalk.

Joe Rogan 5:48 It's sleepwalked.

Jamie Vernon 5:49 It's slepwalked.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Is it sleep ... When you talk about it past tense-

Brian Redban 5:51 Well, I know.

Joe Rogan 5:51 ... is it sleepwalked or slepwalked?

Brian Redban 5:53 Slept walk.

Joe Rogan 5:55 (laughs)

Brian Redban 5:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:56 Well, what is it? It's sleep w- ... What, what would you ... I've never heard anybody say ...

Brian Redban 5:59 Sleepwalked. I would say sleepwalked. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Yeah.

Brian Redban 6:00 It's probably sleepwalked.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Yeah. But I don't think I've ever heard anybody say it past tense.

Brian Redban 6:03 S-

Jamie Vernon 6:03 You can't past tense the first part of the compound word.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Oh, it's a weird one. It's a weird one.

Brian Redban 6:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:10 Slept?

Brian Redban 6:10 Slept well.

Joe Rogan 6:11 I slept well last night, but I slept walked.

Brian Redban 6:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:14 I did some sleepwalking. You could say that.

Brian Redban 6:17 Sleepwalking?

Joe Rogan 6:17 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 6:19 Yeah, but I think that's kinda interesting. I wonder if it was my body craving sugar so bad that it woke me up. 'Cause I was, like, going through the cupboards trying to find sugar.

Joe Rogan 6:27 Oh, really? Oh, well, that makes sense.

Brian Redban 6:28 Yeah. It was weird.

Joe Rogan 6:29 That's crazy.

Brian Redban 6:29 But I don't remember any of it.

Joe Rogan 6:31 How long were you keto for?

Brian Redban 6:32 Seven months.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Yeah?

Brian Redban 6:34 Eight months.

Joe Rogan 6:35 Hmm. Yeah, intermittent fasting is a good move, because I think most of the time... Look, for me, I eat when I'm bored. I do it all the time. Like, when I come home from the store and I'm writing, I just start eating. And then I'm like, "What am I doing?" Because I try to do intermittent fasting, so that means if I come home and it's midnight and I'm writing and I start eating, that means I can't eat until 2:00 in the afternoon the next day.

Brian Redban 6:56 Oh, then just don't wake up til 2:00 in the afternoon. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:58 I can't do that. I can't. I gotta work. I got stuff to do. I have kids. I have, I have responsibilities. I'm not, I'm not a, like, a Peter Pan like you.

Brian Redban 7:05 (laughs) Right. No, I, I, I think that would be the, uh, the diet that makes the most sense, but... Because I already seem to only eat once a day, which, but that's not healthy though, to eat once a day.

Joe Rogan 7:14 No, it's not. You should get a nutritionist. You got some cash, you should hire a trainer and get a nutritionist.

Brian Redban 7:21 Yeah. I'm thinking about going back to Weight Watchers. I'm almost at my fattest level.

Joe Rogan 7:25 No.

Brian Redban 7:25 Right? You know, I wanna get really fat, and then take the, do what I always-

Joe Rogan 7:28 No, you said that before.

Brian Redban 7:29 (laughs) That's... You were on a strategy before. I'm like, "You keep saying you're gonna lose weight." You're like, "I know what I'm doing. I'm gonna get really big, and then I'm gonna lose weight." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:35 I'm like, "What?"

Brian Redban 7:37 Because I always forget to take the before photo.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Oh.

Brian Redban 7:39 And then I'm, like, halfway through a diet, I'm like, "God dammit." Now I'm just, I, I gotta quit this.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Now I'm normal. Now it's like, "Oh, yeah, but you didn't look that bad before you dieted." (laughs) Right. I got my big, fat beard on. Just this beard, it looks like I gained 20 pounds. Yeah, just shave the beard at the end. It's sort of like when people get a tan and their after photos, and they look more ripped.

Brian Redban 7:55 Yeah. (laughs) 100%.

Joe Rogan 7:55 You know? Like, before/after. Like, the after. You just tan, bro. Tan with better lighting.

Brian Redban 8:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Yeah, I follow a lot of, uh, bodybuilder girls. And I don't know why it's disturbing to me, but when they, they start cutting down weight, and then you see them, like, monitoring their food and watching their portions and shit, and they're getting leaner and leaner, it bothers me. Like, I get nervous.

Brian Redban 8:17 (laughs) Why?

Joe Rogan 8:18 I don't know. I'm like, it's just like, don't do that. Like, ugh. It's fucking... Why? Like, what are you doing? Just losing all your fat? Just so you can get on stage and squeeze everything?

Brian Redban 8:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:29 And pose? I get it, you know. But I don't... See, I don't think that looks the best. That's what I don't understand. That's what weirds me out. I don't think it looks the best, especially for ladies, when you're, like, super shredded. It just doesn't...

Brian Redban 8:45 I don't even like when they have those, those man shoulders. You know, where you see, like, a really gir- beautiful girl, and then she takes off her cardigan or whatever, and you're like, "Oh, she has... Like, her frame looks like a, a man."

Joe Rogan 8:54 Mm.

Brian Redban 8:54 I don't like that.

Joe Rogan 8:55 That doesn't bother me.

Brian Redban 8:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 8:56 That means she's durable.

Brian Redban 8:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:00 (laughs) It bothers me when they get shredded. I don't know why. It just se- it seems like they're suffering. Like, it's... It seems like a mistake. You know what I mean? Like, like, I guess maybe... I guess this is probably what it is. I guess I connect it to anorexics, 'cause anorexics legitimately freak me out. There was this one girl that I used to do yoga with, and it was so sad, man. It was so sad. She would come in and eat, everyone would be like, "Fuck." She was like 80 pounds. Her whole body was bones. She was just bones.

Brian Redban 9:31 Joaquin Phoenix in The Joker.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Oh, my God.

Brian Redban 9:33 What the fuck did he do to get down to that?

Joe Rogan 9:34 He lost 50 pounds.

Brian Redban 9:35 And his shoulder looked all fucked up too, which, it could've been... Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Well, he was just posing in weird ways to... I mean, he nailed that role, dude. He really-

Brian Redban 9:43 I haven't seen it. I didn't want to say, say too much, but-

Joe Rogan 9:44 Okay. No spoilers.

Brian Redban 9:45 So you're s- you think I should go to the theater for this one?

Joe Rogan 9:49 No, you can watch it at home.

Brian Redban 9:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 9:50 I mean, when's it coming out at home?

Brian Redban 9:52 You'd have to wait. It just came out.

Jamie Vernon 9:53 Two months.

Brian Redban 9:53 So you still have to wait.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Oh, there's a new thing apparently where you can get home movies at home. Or... Home movies at home.

Brian Redban 10:00 Torrents?

Joe Rogan 10:01 You can get theater mo... No, no, not even torrents. You can get it, like, legitimately, and you pay quite a bit of money.

Brian Redban 10:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 10:07 But... Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, uh, some new thing.

Brian Redban 10:11 Yeah, that shou- that should be a thing. Like, you pay... How many people would you normally go to a movie with? Like, four people? Each ticket's about 20 bucks nowadays.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Yeah.

Brian Redban 10:18 Pay 60 bucks so you can rent it for 24 hours?

Joe Rogan 10:21 That would be the shit.

Brian Redban 10:22 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 10:22 I wanted to do the opposite. I was, I was trying to look up to see how much it would cost to rent Interstellar, to have a screening at the Chinese Theatre in Hollywood.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Mm.

Jamie Vernon 10:32 That was the coolest movie and sound I've ever seen, and I want people I know to experience that.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Oh, right, right, right. With good sound.

Jamie Vernon 10:38 Because it was fucking so awesome.

Joe Rogan 10:40 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 10:40 And I don't like it. It's kinda-

Brian Redban 10:41 Did you look up how much it is?

Jamie Vernon 10:42 I couldn't... You can do screenings there. I think you'd have to figure out how much it costs to rent that, the print of the movie, and have it sent there.

Brian Redban 10:47 Yeah, it used to be, used to be 35-millimeter prints when I was a projectionist. They, people would rent, like, "Hey, will you just rent it, Back to the Future for our company picnic?" And you would, like, as a projectionist, you would get it in the mail with all the other films, and you'll be like, "What the fuck? Why is Back to the Future here?" And I think, I don't think it's that much.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Wow.

Brian Redban 11:02 I think it's only a couple hundred, actually.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Why don't we have a JRE movie night?

Brian Redban 11:05 That would be perfect.

Jamie Vernon 11:06 Let's do it.

Joe Rogan 11:06 We rent a movie theater.

Jamie Vernon 11:07 Hey.

Joe Rogan 11:08 That would be the shit. Where would we go though?

Jamie Vernon 11:10 Any big theaters? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:11 You know where you wanna go? You wanna go to one of them Cineopolis, Ci- Cineopolis? You know the ones?

Brian Redban 11:17 They have drinks?

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah, they have drinks and food.

Brian Redban 11:18 Drafthouse.

Joe Rogan 11:18 And those, the seats lean back.

Brian Redban 11:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:20 You get an assigned seat.

Jamie Vernon 11:21 You could do this.

Joe Rogan 11:22 Yeah, we should find out.

Jamie Vernon 11:23 Do that where you could, wanted to watch those movies, like that roar movie with the tigers, or the other lions, tigers.

Joe Rogan 11:27 Oh, some stupid movies? (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 11:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:29 Well, according to Joey Diaz, the new Rambo is Roadhouse times a million.

Jamie Vernon 11:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:34 He goes, "Joe Rogan, you gotta see this fucking movie. I was crying laughing. I was crying laughing." He goes, "It's Roadhouse times a million."

Brian Redban 11:43 It seems like it.

Joe Rogan 11:44 It looks ridiculous. Well, he's 1,000 years old and he's fucking everybody up. And, and...

Brian Redban 11:48 I also read it was low-budget though. Like, like, really, like, what? That's surprisingly low-budget.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Maybe he's, like, decided and he's gonna keep all his money. When you're that age, right... Like, how old is Stallone now? Is he 77?

Jamie Vernon 12:01 72, I think.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Let's guess. How old?

Brian Redban 12:05 74. I bet... And do you think he's older or younger than Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Joe Rogan 12:09 I think he's older. How old is he, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 12:12 I wanna say 72, but I'd-

Joe Rogan 12:13 Okay, let's try it.

Jamie Vernon 12:14 ... go with a year older.

Joe Rogan 12:15 Let's try it. I'm saying 76.

Brian Redban 12:17 74.

Jamie Vernon 12:18 73.

Joe Rogan 12:19 73.

Jamie Vernon 12:19 He just turned 73 July 6th.

Joe Rogan 12:21 Okay. So when you're 73, you gotta feel like, at the most, if everything goes amazing, you got 30 years, and the last 10, you ain't gonna remember shit. So you got 20 years to burn through a big-ass pile of cash. What are you gonna do? You gonna spend it all on Rambo movies? "Yo, there's a fucking dog over here."

Brian Redban 12:44 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 12:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:44 What is that picture?

Jamie Vernon 12:45 That's a fake coyote on a golf course.

Joe Rogan 12:47 Why does he have a fake coyote on a golf course?

Brian Redban 12:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:49 Is that to keep, like, birds away or some shit?

Jamie Vernon 12:53 Some- I don't know, whatever. To protect him. "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 12:54 "Hey, don't come get me."

Brian Redban 12:57 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 12:57 What is he doing? "Hey." Playing around.

Joe Rogan 13:00 He's got some skinny legs, man.

Brian Redban 13:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:01 Take that picture of his legs again. That is crazy. That makes me nervous that he can walk up stairs.

Brian Redban 13:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:07 What's that? Why is his legs so skinny? That looks like an injury or something, like his leg has shrunk. Doesn't that look weird?

Brian Redban 13:14 I mean, he doesn't even look like he has any body r- right there.

Joe Rogan 13:17 He's so jacked though.

Brian Redban 13:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:18 Apparently, in that movie, he's super jacked. He might have like knee and back problems though. When you got back problems, man, your legs shrink. "Yo, this was me when I was younger."

Brian Redban 13:26 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 13:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:27 "I was fucking jacked. Ah."

Brian Redban 13:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:31 When, when you, uh... I know a dude who's got a severe back problem, and one of his legs is, like, shriveled up because his nerves aren't firing correctly. He went to Germany apparently, and he got a bunch of discs replaced. And it just didn't work well. And he's just got all sorts of inflammation and scar tissue, and his nerves are blocked off. Like, he, you know, he had a bunch of fucked up discs, so he went and he got a bunch of them replaced in one shot and stayed over there for a few months. And now his body's just fucking up, like, left and right. When you get r- real back problems are fucking scary as shit. I sent Dean Del Rey to, uh, Lifespan, Lifespan Medicine to deal with his neck. Dean Del Rey has got a bulging disc so bad. He's like, "Dude, I worry when people bump into me." Like, when, when people bump into him, he's in pain.

Brian Redban 14:20 Oh, yeah, I thought he had a stroke. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:22 Yeah, like, if you, if you pass, if you pass by him and accidentally f- like, bump into him a little bit, he's like, "Ah." Like he gets a stinger.

Jamie Vernon 14:30 From headbanging or...

Joe Rogan 14:31 Um, no, from a motorcycle crash.

Brian Redban 14:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Some messed up lady nailed him on his bike.

Jamie Vernon 14:35 Oh, like left over from a few years ago.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah, he got fucked up pretty bad, and it's not getting any better.

Brian Redban 14:40 Yeah. And it was so weird because he's like, "I quit riding bikes," you know, for- after that, but then he got a bike, like, six months later. I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing? You, you, you almost died." And-

Joe Rogan 14:50 Well, I think for Dean, you know, he's trying to make some... He bought a nice car, like a Porsche. He had a great deal on it, and then he flipped it. You know?

Jamie Vernon 14:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:57 I mean, not flipped it like died, like, in a crash.

Brian Redban 15:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:00 Like Kevin Hart style. He, uh, just... He turned it over and made some money off of it.

Jamie Vernon 15:05 Straight out of it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, I think that's when he bought a bike. But yeah, I guess people who love bikes, man, they, they think it's worth the risk.

Brian Redban 15:14 Fuck that. Out here, I can't believe that there's not more of those scooter deaths everywhere. Like-

Joe Rogan 15:19 I know, right?

Brian Redban 15:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:20 Dude, those things are goddamn fast. When we were in Denver, they're everywhere, and everybody's riding those electric scooters all over the place. You know, like, is that really how you wanna go out?

Jamie Vernon 15:29 You didn't try mine yet, did you?

Joe Rogan 15:31 No. Is it fast?

Jamie Vernon 15:32 24 miles an hour.

Brian Redban 15:33 It's the fastest.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Dude, yours look pretty good.

Jamie Vernon 15:34 It's way faster than those bird scoot- all those-

Brian Redban 15:36 Do you trust that shit?

Jamie Vernon 15:37 ... way faster.

Brian Redban 15:37 I don't trust that shit anymore.

Joe Rogan 15:38 No, no, no.

Brian Redban 15:39 I flipped over my bike a couple years ago, and I'm like, "Something..." That's- that's a message. Um.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Yeah.

Brian Redban 15:44 You know? I know too many people that are in broken... My friend broke both of his arms on one of those scooters. He flipped, and he landed on his arms, both of his arms, and he had to have his mom live with him for, like, a couple months because he couldn't do anything.

Joe Rogan 15:56 When I was doing, uh, Zookeeper with, uh, Kevin James-

Brian Redban 16:00 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 ... I did a lot of my own bike riding, and, uh, I fucking wiped out hard because I didn't realize that if you're... Uh, we were in this scene where he was beside me, and I was trying to hit him with a flag. And he was beside me on his bike, and I was holding onto the handlebars with my left hand, which is your front wheel, so when I hit the brakes on my left hand, I just went flying over the top of the handlebars. I didn't do it just once either. I fucking wiped out pretty h- like, here, wa- watch.

Jamie Vernon 16:29 Oh, yeah. It shows it in slow motion.

Brian Redban 16:29 DVD extra right here.

Joe Rogan 16:30 Yeah, watch. Ba-boom.

Jamie Vernon 16:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Yeah. That's a-

Brian Redban 16:34 Ouch.

Joe Rogan 16:34 ... pretty good wipeout.

Brian Redban 16:35 Yeah, that's exactly what I did on my bike. I flipped over like, exactly like that. It's-

Joe Rogan 16:39 But I got lucky, didn't get hurt. But it's just luck, you know? You land on your arm wrong, your elbow goes backwards, and then you're fucked, and then-

Brian Redban 16:48 That was just you grabbing the brake tube-

Joe Rogan 16:50 Yeah.

Brian Redban 16:50 ... the wrong brake, right?

Joe Rogan 16:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban 16:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:51 I just went over the fucking (laughs) went over the handlebars. But you could... You know, bikes, you could get fucked up. When I was in Utah recently, um, we were driving down the road, and, uh, we saw this lady fall on her bike. She was across the street on the other side, and she was trying to... She was trying to do something, and she just got tangled up in her pedal and just dumped over and landed on one arm, tried to post on her left arm and snapped her arm, and then she couldn't get up. She was screaming. So we went over and pulled over, and, uh, people don't know how to deal with injuries. So people are like, "Okay, let's take your backpack off." I go, "Don't touch her." I go, "She has a broken arm. Listen to me. Don't touch her." You know? And I'm like, "Listen, we gotta- we gotta- we're gonna get you a hospital. You know, we'll get you an ambulance." And it was lucky that she was, like, a block away from the, um, police station. But people wanna do things. They wanna like, "Okay, let's take her arm and put it in a splint. Let's- let's- let's tape it up." No, no, no. D- d- don't do shit. Don't-

Brian Redban 17:51 Yes, neck injuries also and back-

Joe Rogan 17:53 Oh my God.

Brian Redban 17:53 ... like car accidents, people are like-

Joe Rogan 17:54 Yeah.

Brian Redban 17:54 ... not even f-

Joe Rogan 17:55 Well, Kevin Hart's accident, they pulled him out of the tru- uh, out of the car, and then they took him to his house. I'm like j-... And he had three broken vertebrae. Like, yeah, don't-

Jamie Vernon 18:05 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 18:05 Don't do that.

Brian Redban 18:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Don't touch anybody. Like, y- you can, like, you can just yank someone the wrong way after an injury and m- make them way, way worse. Especially something... Like, this lady's arm was so obviously broken, the cops didn't even notice it. The cops came over-... and they're like, "Oh, so how's everything right now? Are you, you feeling okay? Anything wrong?" I go, "She got a broken arm." He's like, "Where's the arm broken?" I go, "Look at her left arm." He's like, "Oh." Like, (laughs) like look, her fucking left arm was so broken. It's like, when you see someone's bro-, like, broken bones, and unfortunately, I'm really used to it. I see so many injuries from fights, you know, from the UFC. I'm so used to seeing breaks and things broken. I'm like, I just look at it, I'm like, "Yep, that's what that is." Like, 'cause her, her elbow was like, her arm went straight and her elbow went back. I'm like, "We're not moving. Don't take her back-back off." But she started hyperventilating like (hyperventilating sounds) . She'd never broken anything. She was 50. She's like, "I've never broken a bone before." I'm like, "It's not a bad one. It's just a arm." Like, "You're gonna be all right. Put it in a cast. You know, six weeks from now, you're gonna be laughing at this. People sign your cast. You'll have a funny story."

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:10 "You know, it's just a broken arm." Have you ever broken an arm, Jamie?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:14 I, knock on wood, have not broken a bone.

Joe Rogan 19:16 No bones?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:17 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 19:17 What about you?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:18 Same here.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Goddamn.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:19 We got that Ohio water. Get the good, good dairy.

Joe Rogan 19:22 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:22 Yeah, yeah, non-dairy.

Joe Rogan 19:23 That's what it is, Ohio dairy.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:26 That, and no contact sports.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:28 Shh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:28 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:29 Big football state, come on, Joe.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Did you play football?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:32 Yeah. Uh, not, not in high school, but, uh, up to high school.

Joe Rogan 19:35 Up to high school?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Well, when you're a little kid, it seems like you can just get fucking plowed over, and your, you bend, and you bounce back up.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:40 Nah, yeah, they throw you into each other. They just, the dads will just grab you-

Joe Rogan 19:43 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:43 ... and just smack you into each other.

Joe Rogan 19:45 But kids are so light. They're so light, and they just bounce off each other.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:49 I was gonna, when we were talking about bikes, have you seen this before? I'm gonna play this video, but-

Joe Rogan 19:52 Fuck this, yes. What is this?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 19:54 It's called the, like, Mountain of Hell. There's another name for it, too, I can't remember. Like, Mountainocalypse, or something like that. They start in France, on the top of the Alps, thou- 2,000 bikers.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Is that snow?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:05 Yeah, it's on the top of a glacier. You end up going, like, 5,000 feet downhill. It's like, it's like a mile or two down. You go through-

Joe Rogan 20:11 And you're riding on ice?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:12 Yeah, these are the guys in front, but here in a second, when they have to turn- (sighs) ... it creates- It gets fucked. ... this fucking insane pileup of (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 20:21 Of people?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:21 ... that, that y- you can't avoid. So you have to be in front.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Oh my God. Oh my God.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:26 It'll happen here in a second. All right, here we go. Here goes the first one, and then it just causes a major pileup.

Joe Rogan 20:31 Oh, God. Bing!

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:31 Dude's getting fucked up.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Bang! Boom! And then dudes are trying to dive out of the way.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:36 Yeah. And you're just going downhill. It's like on a ski slope, but everyone's on mountain bikes, for those that are listening.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Oh! Now, oh!

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:43 (laughs) Look at ...

Joe Rogan 20:44 It's like ants.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:44 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:46 And then dudes are braking early to try to avoid it, and they just wipe it out at the top. Oh my God, this is a ... What a stupid thing to do. When you know that that many people are gonna crash ... Look at this guy on the outside, trying to go ... fell on his own.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 20:58 Some guys haven't even made it down there yet. They're still at the top.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah, and they're gonna try to figure out a path. But you can't really hit the brakes, right?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:05 Uh, you're on ice.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:05 You're going downhill on ice, so I don't know-

Joe Rogan 21:07 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:07 ... how that works. Bitch.

Joe Rogan 21:09 This is so dumb. Look at that. Boom! Boom!

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:11 But if you make it out of there, you're safe, and you get to win.

Joe Rogan 21:14 What does that ... What do you win?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:16 There might be some money at the end. I don't know. It's like doing Sober October.

Joe Rogan 21:19 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:19 For you, a croissant. You get a croissant. Yeah, it's just like Sober October.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:24 It's just stupid.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Well, the best thing, I really believe, the best thing about Sober October is it inspires people-

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... that actually do have a problem. Bert Kreischer inspires people to ... Bert Kreische- now, here's a crazy thing that Bert Kreischer told me. 'Cause you know, Ari Shaffir and him had a little bit of an incident with some MDMA. I don't know if you know about that. Uh, Bert said that ever since taking that MDMA, he has zero desire to drink. He said it really w- cleaned it out, and that he heard that when you take ecstasy, that ecstasy, like, kills your desire to drink, that it does something to you that makes, makes drinking seem really silly. And he said he's super focused.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 21:57 It probably was actually, honestly, a, a really good thing for him if he hadn't done it in a while, because there is positives for doing it. I mean-

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yeah, I told ...

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:05 ... circumstances were not the best, but-

Joe Rogan 22:06 The circumstances were the worst.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:08 At home with his kids, Ari dosing him. But he said that, uh, you know, he feels amazing, and that, like, y- he really does feel focused and clear.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:17 That's great.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Huh.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:18 If, if Ari would've done it to me, I wouldn't h- I w- I wouldn't have cared as much, but, you know.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah, but your body's like a fucking petri dish.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:25 I know. I was wondering, because I did a pod- his podcast the day before.

Joe Rogan 22:28 You wondered if he was gonna dope you?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:30 Uh, no, I was w- I was wondering if he did, and then, i- it was like, ugh, it didn't work, 'cause we ended up podcasting. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:35 You were hoping.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:36 Redman sitting around, hoping he's getting drugged. Hmm.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:39 But, but, it was a-

Joe Rogan 22:40 Fingers crossed.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:40 ... four-hour podcast, and I'm like, "Did I?" 'Cause we did smoke a lot of weed, but I'm like, "Did I? Maybe I was d-" Nah.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Nah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:47 Well, I remember I gave Chris Maguire some weed, and he was sure that it was laced with something.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 22:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:52 You know, he was sure. He was like, "This is not regular weed. There's something in this. There's something ..." He was, like, really paranoid that there was something in it, you know. Like, if you, if you don't, if you're not used to this California weed, and you don't smoke a lot, and then you're like, "Oh, all right, I'll have a couple. Come on, guys!" You know, and you, you get, uh, peer-pressured into it.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 23:11 Yeah. Well, I had something the other day that fucked me up. It was ... 'cause they don't tell you, especially when you're at the Comedy Store, and everyone's just g- passing joints and stuff. This one person was one of those weed fanatics where he had put kief on it and whatever oil, THC oil. Like, it had, like, three things on it.

Joe Rogan 23:26 (sighs) Those guys can fuck off.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 23:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Those guys, they, they give you these j- joints, and it's got, like, it looks golden when you open it up. It's just got so much kief and all the, the, the oils and the hash oil, and-

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 23:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:38 That's ridiculous. Like, why do you wanna get that high? Like, what is wrong with them?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 23:43 Their tolerance, I, I guess. You know, like, I, I can't, I don't understand it, 'cause, like, I could take two hits of the shittiest joint and be like, "You know what? That was great. I'm, I'm fine." You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:50 If you ever do B-Real Smokebox, be very careful.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 23:53 Oh, yeah. I've been asked to, asked to- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:55 Pl- please be careful, 'cause you gotta drive home after that, and you don't even know where you are. If it wasn't for navigation systems, I'd still be living in downtown LA.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:03 I woulda never figured out how to get home. (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:05 Oh, that's what the Tesla comes in for.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yes.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:07 Right? Jesus.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Let it drive for you. Yeah, it's like, these guys just smoke all day every day. And to them, that's their baseline. Like, their normal is just being super-duper high, so they're, they're used to it.... like, the, we, we, we got so high before we even got into the car. You know, and then you get into the car with the cameras in it, and you, and then you, they do like this podcast, and you're like, "It's surreal." It's like an out of body experience.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:33 And you get, feel really paranoid and really worked up, like, "Oh."

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:38 Yeah. No, thanks.

Joe Rogan 24:39 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:39 I don't like that shit. I don't like that. Th- why, why, why even bother doing that? No one likes that.

Joe Rogan 24:43 They do.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:44 (laughs) Mm-hmm. How do you like that?

Joe Rogan 24:45 Obviously somebody likes that.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:46 How?

Joe Rogan 24:47 There's people that like that, yeah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:49 They put the, like, the leaf blowers full of weed and just blow it on each other. There's tons of videos of that going on. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All those, like, High Times Conventions, and-

Joe Rogan 24:56 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:56 ... Cannabis Cups.

Joe Rogan 24:57 (sighs) Yeah, they take a leaf blower and they pump a bong up.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 24:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:59 (sighs) It's ridiculous. I mean, but this is, like, these are the arguments for weed being illegal. It's like-

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:06 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 25:06 ... "Look at these idiots."

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:08 There's also butt chugging.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Butt chugging.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:10 Butt chugging, so.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Yeah. But the thing is, like, w- it's weird. It's like we have this line of personal responsibility. Right? You could go to any bar, and they don't check to see if you've already been drinking. They don't know what your tolerance is. They don't know anything. You could go to any bar, "Give me, uh, two shots of Jack Daniels and a Grey Goose on the rocks." They just give it to you. Bang. Nobody cares. They just think you could figure it out. You know? And how much of a responsibility does a bartender actually have?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:38 A lot.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Do they?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:39 Yeah. They can go, they can go to jail too.

Joe Rogan 25:41 The bartender can?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:42 Mm-hmm. If they don't stop you. Depending on the state, I think, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 (sighs) That, to me, is so ridiculous. I don't think the bar... I think ... (sighs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 25:48 Over-served? Like if you get over-served and they can prove it, you're just as responsible if he c- he, he, like, drives home drunk and kills somebody.

Joe Rogan 25:55 Do you... Well, if you know someone's gonna drive... The, the problem is... Like I was talking about this on stage once, that j- the p- real problem with drunk driving is not that people can't drive when they're drunk. The problem when you're drinking is you don't know if you can drive or not. You don't know how drunk you are, 'cause you're drunk. Like, you might have three drinks and you might fail a drunk driving breathalyzer, but you may, might be able to drive perfectly. You know? But if you have four drinks, or five drinks, you might think it's okay to have six or seven. Like, you don't know where you are. You don't know, like, where you are on the spectrum of drunk or not drunk when you're really drunk. That's part of being drunk. You don't know what the fuck's going on. That's why, like, um, that's why the consent issue when you're really drunk is, is weird. You know? It's 'cause it's like some people like to get drunk and have sex, and then some people say, "Well, you should never have sex with someone when they're drunk because they can't consent because they're drunk." Okay, but then that's like 90% of all people having sex.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:58 Like how, how many people have sex while they're drunk?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 27:00 I, I only have sex when I'm drunk. (laughs) That's true. Don't I have to be drunk. I don't know. Why? (laughs) I'm dealing with a bunch of stuff.

Joe Rogan 27:08 (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 27:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:10 Dealing with a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Well, I think, uh, autonomous cars. It's gonna... That's gonna be very interesting wh- how they deal with alcohol in autonomous cars because if, like, you have a drunk mode, like if autonomous cars... Like say if you have a Tesla in 2026, right? And it has the option to be completely autonomous, drives on its own, or you can go manual. So it detects that you're drunk. It says, "Mr. Redban, you are intoxicated. We would like to drive." And then you have to let it take you. Like, would you get... Do you think there's gonna be a coming point in time where drunk driving doesn't apply because your car is gonna drive you home?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 27:54 It makes the final decision for you.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 27:57 I'm all for it.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Like, uh, just a, wouldn't be hard to have a breathalyzer on a car.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:01 I think they do that now. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yeah. I have a friend who he, he got arrested for, uh, a DUI, like more than one, and, uh, he had to blow into his thing on his van, his work van. He had to blow into his little thing before it would let him start the car.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:15 Yeah. This is another Demolition Man coming full circle again, 'cause there's that scene where he gets in and he makes the car... He's like, "Give me, give me control." And she's like, "What the fuck are you doing? You're gonna drive?"

Joe Rogan 28:26 Oh.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:26 And he's like, "Yeah, manual control. Give me that shit." And he chases after her.

Joe Rogan 28:29 What year was Demolition Man supposed to be in?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:31 Like now, I think. I'll double-check because like it came out like- This is the Wizards of Love. I might need to watch that again.

Joe Rogan 28:36 It's Wizards of Love with Wesley Snipes.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:39 They're doing that THC, uh-

Joe Rogan 28:40 Ugh.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:40 ... breathalyzer next year.

Joe Rogan 28:42 What are they gonna find out?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 28:43 Supposedly it detects if there's THC, like if you s- have smoked in the last, whatever, three hours.

Joe Rogan 28:49 The problem with that is the, there's... I don't... They've done studies that show that people drive well when they're high. You know, they, they have done studies. There's been these tests, and th- they're not, you know, it's not randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. But they are, they have done some studies where they show that people drive well high.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:13 I know they have.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:14 2030.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Look at me.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:16 2032 is when they take him out in 2032.

Joe Rogan 29:17 2032, that's not far away. That's actually pretty close.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:20 He gets frozen for 36 years and wakes up in 2032.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Oh, wow. Isn't that funny? What they used to think is gonna be going on...

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:29 They're like, "Yeah, in 2000 they'll just be able to freeze you."

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:33 (inhales deeply) Don't-

Joe Rogan 29:33 Wait, wasn't that Back to the Future, that was like 2017 or something like that, Back to the Future II?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:37 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:37 And then you look at it, you're like, "That's d- uh..."

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 Yeah. When, when they came back... Well, yeah. The second one. Yeah. Back to the Future II. Yeah. I don't know why it's like nobody ever gets it right. Like they get a couple things right, but everybody thinks we're gonna be way more advanced than we are. You remember Space: 1999? Do you remember that?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:55 1999. What's that?

Joe Rogan 29:56 That was a TV show.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 29:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:57 They thought that 1999 we were just gonna be flying around in spaceships and living on the moon. They're always wrong.

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 30:04 What year was The Jetsons supposed to be? Way off. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:07 That's a good question. (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 30:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:09 That was like 1950. (laughs)

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 30:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:11 What year was that supposed to be?

Guest (unknown name, likely in-studio friend/producer) 30:12 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yeah. The Jetsons, they had flying cars, but y- see the problem with three dimensions is you gotta keep people locked into grids.... because that way you can keep them from just going up or down, or left to right randomly like birds, and slamming into each other.

Brian Redban 30:28 That's probably wh- how it's going to be though. It's probably going to be autum-... You know, like, you could only do it with the Tesla driving.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Right. Right. If it goes flying, you mean?

Brian Redban 30:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Do you think they'll have that?

Brian Redban 30:37 Yeah. 'Cause they would have to stay in a grid. There will have to be some kind of tr- traffic r- you know, to that... People w- can't be flying all over, like you say, all over the place. The-

Joe Rogan 30:46 Right.

Brian Redban 30:46 So they'll have to have, like, lanes in the sky. But by that time, we're probably not gonna ha- have any control of it. It's probably all gonna be...

Joe Rogan 30:54 Probably, right?

Brian Redban 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Well, that's why helicopters are so weird, 'cause helicopters, if you get a pilot's li-... Like, when I went up with Burr, I was surprised at how much freedom you have. Like, we were flying around downtown LA. He was like, "Let's go here." You just take a left, in the sky, go right, go down, go up, go around here. We were g-... We were really close to buildings. And you'd be amazed at how many buildings in downtown LA have helicopter pads on the roof. And so you land on the roof, you get out, you open a door, you go downstairs, you avoid all the bullshit. Apparently, that's the move in New York City. Um, Tommy Buns was saying that, right?

Brian Redban 31:29 Blade, I think it's called? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:31 That's what it's called?

Brian Redban 31:32 I forget that... After...

Joe Rogan 31:32 Uber has, Uber has helicopter now (blows raspberry) in New York City. Uber helicopter. Imagine, uh, some chatty Uber driver that's flying-

Brian Redban 31:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:40 ... a fucking helicopter and won't shut up.

Brian Redban 31:42 That's what Kobe Bryant did when he first got, like, his first big contract, I heard he moved down to Orange County and was just flying a helicopter every day to practice downtown.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Imagine flying a helicopter-

Brian Redban 31:52 Get all that traffic.

Joe Rogan 31:52 ... to the store.

Brian Redban 31:53 It'd be sick.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yeah. If you just go super baller, Kevin Hart-style, put a fucking helicopter pad on the roof of the store.

Brian Redban 32:00 Had to be one of the Hyatt, right? No? Oh, no, they have a rooftop, like, bar up there.

Joe Rogan 32:04 Yeah. The, I mean, the- the-

Brian Redban 32:06 The Andaz next door.

Joe Rogan 32:06 ... the Next door? The Andaz.

Brian Redban 32:07 Yeah, yeah, the hotel. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:07 When was the last time it was the Hyatt?

Brian Redban 32:08 Uh.

Joe Rogan 32:09 You didn't... You weren't even living here yet.

Brian Redban 32:10 Yeah, I was. It wasn't that long ago.

Joe Rogan 32:12 (laughs)

Brian Redban 32:12 Yeah, it's been a while.

Joe Rogan 32:13 It's been in the Andaz for like-

Brian Redban 32:14 I s-... I stayed there when it was the Hyatt.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Really?

Brian Redban 32:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 When you get...

Brian Redban 32:17 But it might have been 10 years ago-

Joe Rogan 32:18 (clears throat)

Brian Redban 32:18 ... before I actually, like, lived here this time.

Joe Rogan 32:19 (coughs)

Brian Redban 32:19 Yeah, that's probably what it was.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah, it seems like it's been a... When... What was it when that dude jumped off of it?

Brian Redban 32:24 Uh, that was a long time ago. That was the '80s.

Joe Rogan 32:25 That was before, way before-

Brian Redban 32:26 Early '80s, '70s.

Joe Rogan 32:27 ... our time. Well, it was the '70s, I think, 'cause it was during the strike when, uh, people didn't get paid to, to do comedy at the store.

Brian Redban 32:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:35 And the guy who jumped off, they said he wasn't even good. It's like one of those guys-

Brian Redban 32:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:39 ... that's like, "Um, uh, um, I'm gonna fucking do this for everybody," and everybody's like, "Hey man, you're not even really working." You know what I mean? (laughs)

Brian Redban 32:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Like, there's always those guy... That's one of the weird things about the store. There's, there's comics that are hanging around there that are all working, you know, and then there's a few people that will never work. And you know they'll never work. And they know they'll never. But they're always... They're kinda comics, 'cause they've done it a few times.

Brian Redban 33:07 Right. They're more just there for the bar.

Joe Rogan 33:09 They're there for the hang.

Brian Redban 33:11 The hang.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Yeah. But it gets weird, right? All of a sudden they're in your conversation and-

Brian Redban 33:16 Yeah. There's a lot of people like that. But luckily, lately, th- I haven't... There hasn't been as many, I don't think, 'cause I think they've k- been kinda getting called out more f- by other comics.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Wow, it gets weird. It's... You know, could you imagine if that was the case with other occupations, you know, like CEOs of corporations-

Brian Redban 33:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:35 ... who hang out with people who wanna be CEOs, but they never really started a business and they're all just hanging out together? Thi- that's one of the weird things about art (clears throat) . It's that anybody can create it and no one's to say that someone who sucks can't just figure it out. There's nothing stopping you from figuring it out. But something is. Like, something keeps you from figuring it out, but you don't know what it is. Like, how many comics do you know that used to suck and then became good? I know a few. I know quite a few. I know some of them (coughs) , some of them who struggled early in the day and you're like, "Wow, I don't know about this guy. I hope he makes it." And then, look, look, Sebastian had a hard time. Sebastian used to have a hard time. Now he's one of the biggest comics on the planet Earth. He's fucking huge. My friend Mark DelGrate sent me a picture of Sebastian on stage at Boston Garden-

Brian Redban 34:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:29 ... in the round, 18,000 people, and I'm like, "Look at him. Look at him." Like, I remember when he was str-... I remember when he was first starting out. He was a... He's, like, a great success story. He really is, 'cause he was a waiter at The Four Seasons. He was waiting tables and also doing standup at night.

Brian Redban 34:46 You see him at... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:48 (coughs) Yeah.

Brian Redban 34:49 He- he makes me laugh.

Joe Rogan 34:50 That bastard. He's fucking hilarious.

Brian Redban 34:51 You see him at the MTV Music Awards this year? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah. That, that was a mistake. I could've told him that was a mistake before he did it though.

Brian Redban 34:57 But it's still funny, like, his coming out to, like... He's like, "Hey, these..." You know? I don't know, that's like mixing...

Joe Rogan 35:03 I couldn't bring myself-

Brian Redban 35:03 That's like a bad, like, hire. Like, uh, it doesn't make sense. You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:07 Nobody wants to do it. Who the fuck wants to do it? Jeselnik's not gonna do it. You know? Who the fuck's gonna do it? Who you gonna get to do it? Jeff Ross? Would he do it? He would probably do it.

Brian Redban 35:15 Yeah, he would definitely do it.

Joe Rogan 35:16 He'd probably do it. I mean, you can probably get some comics to do it. Jeff could probably pull it off. He's... That's, that's like his kinda gig, fucking around, talking shit, writing jokes about it. But Sebastian is like... He's Sebastian, that's his thing. His thing is being Sebastian.

Brian Redban 35:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:31 No one wanna-

Brian Redban 35:31 Kinda old school, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:33 (laughs) Yeah.

Brian Redban 35:33 Uh, uh, that's his joke, like, "These phones," you know? Whatever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Brian Redban 35:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:37 But you don't wanna see him, like, host some... You wanna see him do an hour set. You wanna see him do his set. You don't wanna see him host some fucking malarkey-

Brian Redban 35:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 ... award show, bunch of music that you know he doesn't listen to. He's probably listening to The Temptations every night and shit.

Brian Redban 35:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 You know? Who does he, who does he listen to? Probably goes to bed to Frank Sinatra. (laughs)

Brian Redban 35:57 Springsteen, dude. What are you talking about?

Joe Rogan 35:59 << I did it my way >>

Brian Redban 36:02 On re- on repeat, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Yeah, yeah. He probably plays it over and over again. Yeah. << The summer winds came blowing in >>

Brian Redban 36:10 Do you see the Phil Hartman documentary?

Joe Rogan 36:12 No.

Brian Redban 36:13 That was interesting. I didn't know a lot of it.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Yeah.

Brian Redban 36:15 They really, uh, really... You're in it a little bit. Uh, I didn't know a lot of things. One thing I didn't know is how they gave you-

Joe Rogan 36:21 Mm-mm.

Brian Redban 36:22 ... a part in the show where it was supposed to be Phil's character writing you, or something like that, like a will or something. And they gave it to each person of the cast and they didn't let you read it beforehand, so that when you were reading it in the show, it was actually your first time reading, like, this letter that was supposed to be from Phil.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yeah.

Brian Redban 36:40 And it, I didn't know that. That was amazing.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Yeah. That was, that was one of the weirdest moments of my life, you know, getting phone calls th- that, that he was dead. The phone just kept ringing. People just kept calling and friends and loved ones and family members and ... It was just, it didn't seem real. Like, who would kill that guy? He was the nicest guy. I wish you had met him.

Brian Redban 37:07 (coughs) Me too.

Joe Rogan 37:09 He was so cool. Like, fucking everybody liked that guy. And he used to like to get high and go to strip clubs.

Brian Redban 37:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:16 (laughs)

Brian Redban 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:18 He used to like to get high and go to strip clubs, get high and ride around in his boat. I went to a strip club with him.

Brian Redban 37:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 37:25 (coughs)

Brian Redban 37:25 Do you remember which one?

Joe Rogan 37:26 Um, I think it was Bob's Classy Lady. I think that's what it was called. I don't think it's around anymore. Uh, but he had an appreciation for these young ladies that was like, it was, it was almost childlike. But it wasn't creepy. He was like, "God, you're beautiful." He'd look at me 'cause he was high. He was like, "You look amazing."

Brian Redban 37:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:50 "This is incredible." Like, he was having a good time. He was a, he was a really, really unique character. I remember there was a guy who was, um ... Some guy was blackmailing him and, uh, some guy had filmed him at a strip club with his wife (coughs) and his wife was getting a lap dance and he was getting a lap dance too. And the guy was like, he wrote some really creepy letter saying that this is gonna violate the policies 'cause, you know, Phil had had endorsements and commercial deals and he was doing movies and stuff like that. He was just blowing up. Got a Ferrari, you know?

Brian Redban 38:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:25 He was blowing up. And, um, this guy had, uh, went to his house and nailed this VHS tape in an envelope to his garage door and, uh, I was with him on, on a phone call. So it feels like I'm gonna talk to him right now. I'm gonna ... Come, come, come in my room. So I went in his, uh, dressing room and the guy calls me and goes, "Hey, what's going on, buddy?" He was talking to the guy like the guy was his friend and they were setting the guy up and, you know, Phil was gonna give him like, I don't forget what the money was, tens of thousands of dollars. "Meet me at this place and I'll meet you there." And he had, uh, these, uh ... For lack of a better term, he had someone who's a dangerous person meet this guy and let him know in no uncertain terms that his life was gonna take a terrible turn for the worst if he continued down this path. And- but it was, uh, it was weird to see, like, someone trying to exploit him. And the guy was so dumb. He actually met with Phil. Like, Phil knew who the guy was, like, he, he, he saw his face, you know? He was there with the guy and the guy was like, "Look, you know, I just need some money." And Phil's like, "Look, I get it. It's no big deal," you know? Just, it's weird when you see someone trying to like prey on- Like, they think that's their way out. Like, "This is my way out. I'm just gonna get this guy to give me some money and I'm gonna put it all together. You get it, Phil."

Brian Redban 39:52 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 39:52 "I mean, I just need some money." And he's like, "I get it, buddy. No big deal." But he was just playing this guy along until the dangerous men came and talked to him.

Brian Redban 40:02 Wow. They also d- really focused a lot on the wife, which I didn't really know much about, about how she wanted to be an actress also.

Joe Rogan 40:10 (coughs)

Brian Redban 40:10 And like, she was trying to get Phil to like, put her into shows and do that-

Joe Rogan 40:15 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 40:15 ... you know, stuff like that and ...

Joe Rogan 40:16 She was very resentful of him.

Brian Redban 40:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:19 She would insult him, like insult him publicly. Like, uh, it was just really gross. It was sad. But he didn't think he should get divorced because he felt like it was bad for his image. He was like really concerned about his image 'cause he was like this squeaky clean family guy who was, you know ... I mean, it was really starting to take off for him. See, Phil didn't really make it until he was older in life. Like, I don't think he was, I don't think he got on Saturday Night Live until he was in his like late 30s. Might have been older than that.

Brian Redban 40:51 Hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:51 And when he was on NewsRadio, I think he was like 46. Yeah. He w- so he was like ... He had worked as a graphic artist, you know, he- that- did you see that, um, uh, album cover that's out there pinned to the wall?

Brian Redban 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 That's him.

Brian Redban 41:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 He, he drew that. Yeah.

Brian Redban 41:07 Yeah. He, he's drawn a few amazing things.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Yes.

Brian Redban 41:09 I was very surprised about that.

Joe Rogan 41:11 He's a super versatile guy. He could do a lot of different things and his work ethic was amazing. Like, he would have a binder and his scenes, he would have different color tabs for each scene and he would go over his notes and go over his lines like I'd never seen anybody do bef- like none of us did. No- none of the rest of us did. Like, the only, the only one per- who's like him, like Stephen Root was even more different than him 'cause Stephen Root was a character, like, he played Jimmy James. And he w- in real life is like the sweetest, most normal guy, but when he was playing that character, like, he would become this Jimmy James guy. You'd be like, "Oh." He was spooky. Like you've seen him in a million, like Off- um, what, what is the movie?

Brian Redban 41:55 The Milton, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:56 What, Staple?

Brian Redban 41:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:57 Stapler? Yeah. What, what is that movie?

Brian Redban 41:59 Give me my st-

Joe Rogan 41:59 Office Space.

Brian Redban 42:00 ... office space.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Office Space.

Brian Redban 42:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me blow the piece, dude.

Joe Rogan 42:01 And he was great in, um, that new western too. What is it? The, uh, Ballad of Scruggs- Buster Scruggs? What is it called?

Brian Redban 42:09 Yeah, it's ...

Joe Rogan 42:10 It's a Coen brothers thing, right? Isn't it?

Brian Redban 42:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:13 It's really weird. Have you seen that?

Brian Redban 42:14 No, I haven't seen it.

Joe Rogan 42:15 It's very weird. It's very weird. It's really good, but it's like, "Whoa, all right." Just weird, you know? But, but Stephen Root is in it. It's amazing. (coughs) He's just a real actor, you know?

Brian Redban 42:29 He's amazing.

Joe Rogan 42:30 ... one of those dudes. And that, I, I mean, I would never do a sitcom again, ever, but I'm so glad I did do it. Like, I learned a lot, and it was a great experience. Did you see Andy Dick got arrested again?

Jamie Vernon 42:40 Yeah. I don't know if you and Tommy weren't, like, buddy cops, you wouldn't do that?

Joe Rogan 42:45 Um-

Jamie Vernon 42:45 Going around shooting people with guns?

Joe Rogan 42:46 I'd do a sketch.

Brian Redban 42:48 (laughs) Yeah, who cares-

Jamie Vernon 42:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:49 (laughs)

Brian Redban 42:49 ... who cares about TV anymore, right? Like, it's like... Anything I, I don't watch any TV shows except for Car- the South Parks and the c- you know, the cartoons and stuff. But it, there's not, like, a sitcom I give a fuck about, you know?

Joe Rogan 43:00 They don't really exist anymore.

Jamie Vernon 43:01 Yeah, I caught up on Mexican Joker last night.

Joe Rogan 43:03 It's great, right? (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 43:04 Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I was trying to catch up because I saw they're, they have a new one tonight.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Oh, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 43:07 But they got controversy with China for it.

Brian Redban 43:09 Those are, those are the guys that still to this day I look forward to watching every week.

Joe Rogan 43:15 They go hard in the paint.

Brian Redban 43:16 Do you see the response that Trey did, uh, to China?

Joe Rogan 43:19 No.

Brian Redban 43:20 (laughs) J- Jamie, did you see it? Uh, so yeah, J- Trey did an official response to China of them, uh, and that, that's what, yeah, after they got all-

Joe Rogan 43:29 Well, explain to everybody what happened.

Brian Redban 43:31 So they had, uh, South Park had an episode, uh, that kind of mimic or made fun of the NBA's response, or the president of the NBA's response to, uh, China that was in the news recently. And, uh, it's about how Hollywood edits their films. Like Iron Man 3 has a whole s- 12-minute scene that they added just for the Chinese release, uh, bec- they, like, make things to make China happy so they can make more money because there's so many millions of people in China.

Joe Rogan 44:00 What did they add?

Brian Redban 44:01 Uh, it w- you know, I, it was a scene, uh, of an Asian doctor in, like, I think they were taking out the thing in his chest and saving, uh, his life or something like that. They put-

Joe Rogan 44:13 So they added a Chinese doctor to it?

Brian Redban 44:13 They added, they add, they, yeah, they added Asians to it.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Whoa.

Brian Redban 44:16 And I think they cut- Really? But l- this happens a lot in Hollywood, I guess. They, they, they, they edit for, like, a Chinese version, where they even add stuff to it and make it more Chinese happy. And so that-

Joe Rogan 44:27 Oh!

Brian Redban 44:27 So they, so Trey Parker and Matt Stone made this whole episode about that, and of course, you know, they got banned from China. China scrubbed the whole internet free of everything.

Joe Rogan 44:35 "Official apology to China from Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Like the NBA, we welcome the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts." (laughs)

Brian Redban 44:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:42 "We too love money more than freedom and democracy." What, how do you say Xi?

Jamie Vernon 44:46 Xi, I think.

Joe Rogan 44:47 Xi. "Doesn't look just like Winnie the Pooh at all. Tune into our 300th episode this Wednesday at 10:00. Long live the great Communist Party of China. May this autumn's sorghum harvest be bountiful. We good now, China?"

Brian Redban 45:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:03 Oh my God, he's the best.

Jamie Vernon 45:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:06 He's the best.

Brian Redban 45:06 They are the best.

Jamie Vernon 45:07 They are the best.

Joe Rogan 45:07 They are the best.

Brian Redban 45:09 I love them.

Joe Rogan 45:09 They're the best. "We too love money." Say that, put, pull it, put up the exact quote again.

Brian Redban 45:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:15 What does it say? "We too love money more than freedom and democracy." (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 45:19 (laughs)

Brian Redban 45:19 I, I, I like how he said also, "Xi doesn't look just like Winnie the Pooh at all." I like-

Joe Rogan 45:24 Yeah.

Brian Redban 45:25 (laughs) Just adding that just.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Oh my God. 300th episode.

Brian Redban 45:30 Oh, I love it.

Joe Rogan 45:31 That's hill- we welcome the S- the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts. Like the NBA. Well, the NBA thing is a weird one, right? Like, the guy, like, he's o- he's, like, super social justice warrior-y, he's always criticizing this and that. When it came to China, he's like, "Huh, everything's really good over there."

Jamie Vernon 45:47 Oh, the-

Joe Rogan 45:48 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 45:48 ... the commissioner of the NBA?

Joe Rogan 45:49 Yeah, what did he say?

Jamie Vernon 45:50 Yeah. I don't know what he said necessarily.

Joe Rogan 45:51 He d- he definitely soft pedaled.

Jamie Vernon 45:53 Yeah, he's flown over there now to, like, have a meeting about it.

Brian Redban 45:56 Yeah, and there's a, there's a chance even that, I heard that he might even, could even get fired from this, because that's how much money that NBA as a company is gonna be losing from, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:06 From China?

Brian Redban 46:06 ... China.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Now, what is the big deal about China? They just like basketball? Or is it just because-

Brian Redban 46:10 Just-

Joe Rogan 46:10 ... it's a giant market?

Brian Redban 46:11 ... just so many people.

Joe Rogan 46:13 (coughs)

Jamie Vernon 46:13 Yeah, they've got them hook, line on, on basketball since, like, Yao Ming back in the-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Oh, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 46:18 ... like 15 years ago got in there.

Joe Rogan 46:20 What about Linsanity? Is that still going on?

Jamie Vernon 46:22 He got pop- he's, he, uh, signed to play over there this year actually.

Joe Rogan 46:26 What happened with him? He took off, he was kicking ass for, like, a very short period of time.

Jamie Vernon 46:30 He, he had a very good NBA career. He'd just won an NBA title with the Toronto Raptors.

Joe Rogan 46:36 But why-

Jamie Vernon 46:37 10-year career.

Joe Rogan 46:37 ... how come people stopped talking about him?

Jamie Vernon 46:39 It was a hype train that happened, and he, like, had a very good run of, like, 10, 12 games. He was in, part of it was he was in New York-

Joe Rogan 46:46 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 46:47 ... with the New York media train, the Knicks. They weren't very good.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Right.

Jamie Vernon 46:49 They're still not very good now, but, um, that, it all got wrapped up in all that, kind of.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Oh, okay.

Jamie Vernon 46:55 And then he got sent off to another team, and once you're in a small market, kind of everyone kind of forgets about you.

Joe Rogan 46:59 The whole China thing is very strange, man. We got hit up by, uh, someone from Huawei who wants to come on the podcast. Yeah. I'm like, "No thanks. I'm good."

Brian Redban 47:07 Huawei.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Yeah.

Brian Redban 47:08 Oh, the phones?

Joe Rogan 47:09 Dropped some phones off for us.

Jamie Vernon 47:10 Yes. Yeah. Drop some phones off that-

Brian Redban 47:11 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 47:12 ... listen to everything you do, follow you home. (laughs)

Brian Redban 47:14 That shit's really interesting.

Joe Rogan 47:16 That'd be like one of those phones you leave at work and you wake up in the morning, it sit on your sink.

Brian Redban 47:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:19 "Hey, the fuck, what's going on here?"

Brian Redban 47:22 Put it that away.

Joe Rogan 47:23 "Hey, man." (laughs)

Brian Redban 47:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 I feel like a Black Mirror episode. Those Huawei phones are fucking badass though. That's the thing. It's like, look, I went-

Brian Redban 47:32 They're not as good as this shit.

Joe Rogan 47:33 ... no. The, here's the deal, okay? I gave a thorough examination. I went from the, uh, iPhone XS Max, whatever the fuck the last one was, um, and then I got a Note10. And then I got the new one, the iPhone 11 X Max Pro Fuck Your Mother, whatever it is.

Jamie Vernon 47:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:54 The, the Note can't fuck with it at all.

Brian Redban 47:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:56 The Note's just not as good. It's-

Brian Redban 47:58 It's clumsy.

Joe Rogan 47:59 They're not as good. They're clunky. Their, their keyboard sucks.

Brian Redban 48:02 Worst keyboard ever made.

Joe Rogan 48:04 This-

Brian Redban 48:04 I c- I don't understand why people don't bitch about that more. And there, there's a- you could add those other keyboards, but they're all-

Joe Rogan 48:09 Are they better?

Brian Redban 48:09 They're a little bit better but not ... Apple just got the keyboard down.

Joe Rogan 48:12 Down.

Brian Redban 48:12 Down.

Joe Rogan 48:12 Down. It's like you don't realize how much better Apple's keyboards are until you try ... And this is only on their phones. Their laptops-... are dog shit.

Brian Redban 48:21 Wow.

Joe Rogan 48:22 The laptops' keyboards are so bad, I got a 15-inch one. There's companies that take the old ones, the f- old 15-inch ones from, like, 2012, and they put a SSD car- in it, or, um, (smacks lips) they do- put a solid state hard drive in it and update the processor and update the graphics. They update everything. And they give you, like, one terabyte of storage. But they basically put all modern, internal components into the old shell, so you get the real keyboard, a keyboard that you can actually feel the keys. You actually feel where they are and you feel them m- moving around. The new keys, those flat fucking keys, are just so bad.

Brian Redban 48:55 You're gonna hate the future o- of MacBook Pros, so you might as well just switch over right now.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Why would you say that?

Brian Redban 49:00 'Cause the... definitely is going to become a screen on the bottom as a keyboard.

Joe Rogan 49:05 What?

Brian Redban 49:05 Yeah. They're definitely gonna use h- the, uh, with the h- hype- whatever, feedback, where the, you know, just so-

Joe Rogan 49:10 Taptic feedback?

Brian Redban 49:10 Yeah, so it sound- feels like you're tapping on the screen, but you're actually just gonna have a whole screen in the bottom. They pulled that, uh, pressure-sensitive off the new iPhones.

Joe Rogan 49:20 Yeah.

Brian Redban 49:20 So it's just long press now.

Joe Rogan 49:21 I hate that.

Brian Redban 49:22 But it's not press and... 'cause no one used it.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Yeah, nobody used 3D Press or whatever it was called.

Brian Redban 49:26 I, I, I used it. I used it and I, it, I'm one of the few people-

Joe Rogan 49:28 Did you?

Brian Redban 49:28 No, a lot of people.

Joe Rogan 49:28 ... 'cause there's one thing that they haven't replaced yet. Like, a lot of the other things, you hold down, it does all, what it used to do. But, uh, I don't know if... A lot of people didn't even know about it, but when you're on the keyboard and you just, like, hold your f- thumb down, you used to be able to use it as, like, a, a, a mouse, like, a cursor. So, if you're trying to, you know, f- uh, be accurate, use, uh- But you can still do that with the space bar.

Brian Redban 49:47 You can still do it now, just the keyboard.

Joe Rogan 49:47 You hold the space bar down.

Brian Redban 49:49 Okay, never mind.

Joe Rogan 49:50 (laughs)

Brian Redban 49:50 Or just hit the thing. Yeah. It's the space bar. People don't know. Explain that- Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 49:54 ... because it's pretty dope. The space bar, when you hold the space bar down, you can-

Brian Redban 49:57 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 49:57 ... move that cursor around any way you want.

Brian Redban 50:00 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 50:00 It's really nice.

Brian Redban 50:01 Yeah, when you're typing or anything like that, it, I, it's like having a mouse and a-

Joe Rogan 50:04 Yeah.

Brian Redban 50:05 ... thing.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Yeah.

Brian Redban 50:06 I... Thanks, man. That, that was one of... I was so-

Joe Rogan 50:08 (laughs)

Brian Redban 50:08 ... bummed about that. I'm like... I was like, like, there were... I was, uh, uh, that was w- what really pissed me off.

Joe Rogan 50:13 Well, they do a lot of things that you don't know what they do.

Brian Redban 50:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Like, a lot of people don't know how to make a screenshot or how to do scree- screen record. There's, like, a lot of things that people don't know how to do.

Brian Redban 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:23 That, that, y- it's like, y- I mean, it's a really complicated device and most people only use, like, three-tenths of what it's capable of. But they're so much better than Android phones right now. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Huawei has a better keyboard, but the Samsung keyboard, in comparison to Apple, there's no competition. There's so much, there, they're so less accurate. And they, their prediction, like, prediction of, like, what you're gonna say next is so bad. It just doesn't work good.

Brian Redban 50:50 The Notes, uh, camera was very good. I, that's-

Joe Rogan 50:53 It's very good.

Brian Redban 50:53 ... Note 10's c-

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah.

Brian Redban 50:54 I liked the camera a lot. I liked the focus video you could do.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Yeah.

Brian Redban 50:57 You could do, pretty much do the portrait mode but in video mode, which you can't do on the iPhone, which-

Joe Rogan 51:01 Yeah.

Brian Redban 51:02 ... sucks.

Joe Rogan 51:02 That's better.

Brian Redban 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 That's one thing that the Note does better. That pen, I never use that thing.

Brian Redban 51:07 (clicks tongue) Yeah, me neither.

Joe Rogan 51:08 It's cute. I like having it around. I like showing people, "Look, you can take a picture-"

Brian Redban 51:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:11 "... with it. You press the button. It works like a remote control." Never used it once.

Brian Redban 51:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Yeah.

Brian Redban 51:15 Did you see this? This is the new Essential Phone that got leaked yesterday?

Joe Rogan 51:18 What is that?

Brian Redban 51:18 Now, I like this. I think I've talked about this before, how I wouldn't mind a thinner, skinner, longer phone. Skinner? This has just leaked, so they don't, we don't know. Slep- slept walked.

Joe Rogan 51:27 (laughs)

Brian Redban 51:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:29 What is that? Looks like a remote control.

Brian Redban 51:31 Yeah, it's a-

Joe Rogan 51:31 That's the phone?

Brian Redban 51:32 It's, it's a Essential Phone 2, um-

Joe Rogan 51:34 Show... Can you show the video of it? 'Cause there's a video of it, uh, that's really cool, when he's, like, scrolling through the...

Brian Redban 51:40 Maybe that?

Joe Rogan 51:41 He's dur-

Brian Redban 51:42 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:42 ... scrolling through the operating system in one of the videos.

Brian Redban 51:44 Yeah, it's a new Android operating system they have put on the phone. I don't know if it's gonna have, like, things removed from it, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 51:50 So, is it their own thing?

Brian Redban 51:52 I think. It's, uh, proprietary for them.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Huh.

Brian Redban 51:55 Is that a camera on the back?

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah, the back is a camera.

Brian Redban 51:57 That's a huge fucking camera. That's gonna be like one of the best cameras ever if...

Joe Rogan 52:01 Well, it's a really small phone. So, like, if that iPhone camera was on something so thin, that would look huge too. And that's a, it's a very thin thing. It's, like, not even, it's, it seems like it's almost half the size, width-wise, of your iPhone.

Brian Redban 52:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 52:16 But why, why would you want that? I don't get that.

Brian Redban 52:18 Different. Just everyone's, I mean- I tell you what- ... options are good. ... hand cramping.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Hand cramping?

Brian Redban 52:23 Yeah, like, how, how wide the phone is. Like, I'm constantly, like, trying to- That's why I like this. ... lean over... That's so weird.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Like a iF- or an Apple TV remote size, it looks like.

Brian Redban 52:31 Yeah. It's exactly what it looks like.

Joe Rogan 52:33 I like that.

Brian Redban 52:33 Do you?

Joe Rogan 52:34 I really do.

Brian Redban 52:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:35 Well, I'll tell you what, though. Who had... Was it Dan Aykroyd? Who had the old iPhone in here the other day? Oh, Commander Fravor.

Brian Redban 52:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:41 David Fravor had an iPhone 4, one of them little ph- the, with the s- the flat sides.

Brian Redban 52:47 The metal?

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah, the metal sides. It's so small. And, like, he was showing me pictures on it, I was, like, squinting to see the picture. They're so little. But it's so tiny, just, like, fits in your hand.

Brian Redban 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:57 You know?

Brian Redban 52:57 That's what I like. 'Cause I, my hand's sore. It hurts. Like, I, I bet it's...

Joe Rogan 53:01 (laughs)

Brian Redban 53:01 At night, like, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 53:03 Sore? (laughs)

Brian Redban 53:03 ... it, it feels like I've been typing all day, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:05 (laughs)

Brian Redban 53:06 Or stretching it out.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Is it really that big of a deal?

Brian Redban 53:08 My, my hands are-

Joe Rogan 53:09 You could use two hands.

Brian Redban 53:09 ... way smaller than yours, though.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Yeah, but if you, if you just-

Brian Redban 53:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:12 ... got a smaller iPhone, just get the small one.

Brian Redban 53:14 Like, like, I can barely reach over.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Yeah.

Brian Redban 53:16 Like, like halfway.

Joe Rogan 53:17 Well, it's, it's, it's pretty big. But when you're watching YouTube videos, it's the shit. I'll tell you what, that is one thing that, yeah, I have a hard time e- getting all the way over there too.

Brian Redban 53:26 You said the max, right? The big one? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Yes.

Brian Redban 53:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 You have the other one?

Brian Redban 53:31 I have the, yeah, the smaller one. I like that better. My girlfriend has that size.

Joe Rogan 53:35 Yeah.

Brian Redban 53:35 And I touch it.

Joe Rogan 53:35 That might be the move.

Brian Redban 53:35 'Cause it used to be y- a bigger deal, like, there was, like, a camera stabilization for going to the small to the bigger one.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Do we have any Popsockets here?

Brian Redban 53:44 Popsockets, mm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 We have the Jerry Popsockets. Give me one of them things.

Brian Redban 53:46 Nikki Glaser stole it.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Did she? That bitch.

Brian Redban 53:48 Well, I, I gave it to her. I thought there were more of them around.

Joe Rogan 53:51 Well, then that's not stealing, Jane.

Brian Redban 53:52 I know, I know. I-

Joe Rogan 53:53 Sorry, Nikki.

Brian Redban 53:53 She took it with some weed.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Oh.

Brian Redban 53:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:56 (laughs)

Brian Redban 53:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:56 We gave her about five pounds of weed. I hope she didn't try to fly back with that. Imagine if she got arrested?

Brian Redban 54:02 She has a new n- uh, special, right?

Joe Rogan 54:03 Yes. It's out right now. It's hilarious.

Brian Redban 54:05 That's why I let her take it.

Joe Rogan 54:06 That lady's fucking funny.

Brian Redban 54:07 She's great.

Joe Rogan 54:08 She's very funny. But, uh, Popsockets. My point was, if you have a Popsocket, you just... That's way easier. You could text like a motherfucker with a Popsocket. Just slide that bitch right in there like that. (clicks tongue) Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Brian Redban 54:20 My new favorite thing, Joe, is Apple Watch now allows you to record voice memos on your watch.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Ooh.

Brian Redban 54:26 So when you're, uh, doing standup-

Joe Rogan 54:28 On stage?

Brian Redban 54:28 ... it's right there, so it's a perfect-

Joe Rogan 54:30 Ah.

Brian Redban 54:30 ... recording 'cause it's right next to your mouth.

Jamie Vernon 54:33 ... uh, one thing though is to turn your phone on, uh, airplane mode before you do it, if you... because then it sometimes switches to the phone mic.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 54:42 But what... so what I do is I put them both on airplane mode, so then I have audience and then voice right next to it. So, if I wanted to mix it, I would have al- almost a perfect sounding stage recording.

Joe Rogan 54:53 So, it's two separate recordings-

Jamie Vernon 54:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:55 ... of the same show?

Jamie Vernon 54:56 Yeah. So if-

Joe Rogan 54:56 Wow.

Jamie Vernon 54:56 ... if you keep your phone on your... on the stool, you're recording the audience, and then you have your voice right next to it.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Do you have to sync them up?

Jamie Vernon 55:02 Yeah, you just... whatever, garage-

Joe Rogan 55:03 With-

Jamie Vernon 55:04 ... band or whatever.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Okay. Wow, that actually sounds badass.

Jamie Vernon 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 That actually makes sense, like a real reason to have an iPhone watch.

Jamie Vernon 55:12 Yeah. I like it. Also, you can monitor your sleep now. You wear it... uh, or I guess it's coming soon, but, uh, you can wear it and it tells you how many times you wake up, and it tells your heart rates and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 55:20 I already have that with this thing. I have this Whoop strap. This thing is-

Jamie Vernon 55:23 Oh, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 55:23 ... amazing. This, this thing, it doesn't just measure that. It measures heart rate variability. It measures, uh, all the disturbances, how, how much REM sleep you had, how deep your sleep was. It also mea- measures... because of heart rate variability, it measures how much you've recovered from your workout, it measures how many calories you burned. I mean, the, the application that comes with it, this Whoop application, is fucking incredible. It's got... I mean, it takes a long time to learn all this shit, but there's so much data that you get off of these things, and it gives you, like, these little things to fill out, little questionnaires that let you know, like... here, my recovery today is only 16%, but I, I just got done running though.

Jamie Vernon 56:01 Oh, so it's not a watch at all.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Mm-mm.

Jamie Vernon 56:02 It's just a strap?

Joe Rogan 56:03 No, it's just a strap.

Jamie Vernon 56:04 Oh, I like that.

Joe Rogan 56:04 It doesn't, doesn't tell you the time at all. It has no, no readout on it, nothing. You just keep it on you.

Jamie Vernon 56:09 Oh, that's badass, 'cause it looks cool too.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yeah, and it measures all your shit. It measures, uh, your recovery, your strain. It's got a sleep coach. And so here, with Sober October, we're all wearing them, so we all get to see, like-

Jamie Vernon 56:21 Oh, that's badass.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Today, Bert burnt the most... well, how is he number one when he burnt 1,700 calories and I burnt 1,800?

Jamie Vernon 56:29 Is it not done by the quarter, 'cause Bert-

Joe Rogan 56:31 No, no. It says 12.-

Jamie Vernon 56:33 I guess Ari gets that.

Joe Rogan 56:34 His day's strain is 12.2. Mine's 12.1, even though my activity was harder than his.

Jamie Vernon 56:40 Oh, look at this. It's on the internet. They have-

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 56:42 ... a website, soberoctober.whoop.com.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Yeah. You can track it, track it and watch it.

Jamie Vernon 56:46 No shit?

Joe Rogan 56:46 Yeah. This... I'm, I'm a big fan of this strap. This thing is really, really effective. It's pretty fucking amazing.

Jamie Vernon 56:53 Maybe Ari's wearing Bert's strap for him-

Joe Rogan 56:56 No.

Jamie Vernon 56:56 ... because he felt bad.

Joe Rogan 56:57 No.

Jamie Vernon 56:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:57 Bert's not even talking to Ari. (clears throat) They're not talking right now.

Jamie Vernon 57:00 Oh, this is for recovery. It put that... so, yeah, it depends on what you're looking at, I guess.

Joe Rogan 57:03 Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of different metrics that you can read.

Jamie Vernon 57:05 Oh, sleep.

Joe Rogan 57:06 You can... look, see, you can read your strain, your recovery. You can read your performance, like, how much... how many calories you're burning, how much, uh, how much you've recovered, how efficient your body is. And it just lets you know where you stand physically. It also lets you know whether or not you should push it, or whether or not you should slack off.

Jamie Vernon 57:24 I look worse sleep.

Joe Rogan 57:25 It's fucking... like, look at all that shit, man. That's incredible.

Jamie Vernon 57:27 Worse sleep, Bert.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Oh, of course. Yeah, he's haunted by Ari.

Jamie Vernon 57:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:33 Ari's m-... the memories of Ari drugging him, keeping him awake at night, "Ari... fucking Ari."

Jamie Vernon 57:38 Uh, I was gonna say, on the new... on the iPhone, something I didn't notice that you were getting close to was that they added in the health app, your headphone audio levels. So, it tracks how loud you're listening to stuff over time, and it tells you when you're in a good or bad audio listening range, like if you're listening to shit too loud and you're starting to damage your hearing.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Whoa.

Jamie Vernon 57:56 So, this then gets into the Apple Watch.

Joe Rogan 57:58 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 57:58 They... if you turn it on on your watch, it listens to the ambient sound, so if you're in an environment, like in a city where it's too loud, it adds that into your, your audio health.

Joe Rogan 58:08 It gives you warnings also, 'cause one thing I've been doing lately at the Comedy Store when... you know the back, back, back place where you smoke the weed? You can download a audio meter that tells you how loud it is. And so I've been down... I downloaded that a long time ago. It is so bad back there when there's a lot of people back there that it's like, "Emergency. Get out of that area." It's like a bar.

Jamie Vernon 58:27 "It's bad for your eyes, or ears."

Joe Rogan 58:28 Ears. It's like a bar.

Jamie Vernon 58:29 Yeah, I know, but it's way high, higher than-

Joe Rogan 58:32 Well, yeah, you got a bunch of comics back there drunk.

Jamie Vernon 58:33 And it echoes off the...

Joe Rogan 58:35 Oh, that's true too, right? The, the concrete and everything?

Jamie Vernon 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:38 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 58:38 I would say, though, allowing them to listen to all these microphones, you're just giving them access to listen to you everywhere now.

Joe Rogan 58:46 What are they gonna listen to? Shit, fuck-

Jamie Vernon 58:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:47 ... what are they gonna put up in the band?

Jamie Vernon 58:48 No, but that's where, like yeah, that's where-

Joe Rogan 58:49 Plotting... yeah, you plotting against the government, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 58:51 No, no, it's not that.

Joe Rogan 58:52 (laughs) Like, what are you worried about?

Jamie Vernon 58:53 There's this... uh, I... there was an article that went around-

Joe Rogan 58:55 No, he's right, though.

Jamie Vernon 58:56 ... recently about, uh, this stuff called, like, a mesh network that's g- created with some of these, uh, like-

Joe Rogan 59:01 Yep.

Jamie Vernon 59:01 ... cameras on people's doors. There was, like, a test that happened in the LA basin. 700 cameras gave them access to almost the entire LA area.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Whoa.

Jamie Vernon 59:10 Because the way that they link to each other.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Wow.

Jamie Vernon 59:12 And there's, like, some, like, watchdog people are saying that, like, even if you're smart enough to, like, not do this, the person next to you might not be, or your neighbor might not be. They might have it on, and just because your proximity is close enough, your iPhone knows that your iPhone's next to it.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Mm.

Jamie Vernon 59:26 And it just goes, "Oh, yeah, you were here. Joe was there." You know?

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah, you can't-

Jamie Vernon 59:30 That kind of stuff.

Joe Rogan 59:30 It's gonna be really hard-

Jamie Vernon 59:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:31 ... to pull shit off in the future.

Jamie Vernon 59:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:33 And it seems like with all these Nest phones and Ring phones and... or, you know, not Ring phones. R- Ring Cameras and Net Cameras.

Jamie Vernon 59:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Nest Cameras that people have on their front doors. After a while, it's everywhere you go, you're gonna be filmed.

Jamie Vernon 59:45 They passed a law, I think today, that the California, like, body cameras that cops use can't be used for facial recognition.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 59:53 Like, the ACLU got a law passed through that said, like, that won't be able to happen or something like that.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Hm.

Jamie Vernon 59:58 Too bad. We would've caught a lot more people.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 That seems-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 That seems weird because that seems like when you would wanna use it.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Is when you're a cop looking for bad guys. It's like-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:08 Yeah, but the... I think what's happening right now that I've been reading is, like, there's... third party companies are getting access to that stuff, and, like, they can buy it, and that's where some of the discrepancy... 'cause it's just happening too fast. There aren't laws in place to stop some of these things from happening. I just think that's just, like, a good... there's lots of gray area that can... people can maneuver in.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 It seems to be-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:28 And bad people can get out.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 ... just a matter of time before you have surveillance everywhere.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Everywhere you go.... everywhere. Everything is available to everyone, except inside your house. Like, people are gonna tinfoil up the inside of their bedrooms just to try to keep people out.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 And then you have the fucking television that probably has a webcam on it, you know?

Jamie Vernon 1:00:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 People probably watching you fuck, Jamie.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:50 They do watch. They listen to the- like, some TVs have that stuff on to listen to what's going on in your house and what you're- w- they cross-reference as audio signals. Alexa, Sirius, all of that is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Yeah, they're listening to everything.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 I mean, even contractors who work for Alexa, and- and Apple Pods and all that shit. But- or I think Apple's one of the ones th- is- is- is that Apple as well? Because Apple's pretty damn strict on privacy, which is kinda interesting. It's one of the reasons why Apple Maps is not very good.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 'Cause they don't collect data on everybody the way Google does. Like, th- the benefit of the Google Map coll- uh, the Google data collection is you get like really detailed analytics on everything. And so they know exactly what's going ... That's why something like Waze works so well, 'cause there's so many different people giving up information, you know? That's- I mean-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 ... it shows you where the slowdowns are and where the cops are and, you know, it's- it's- there's benefits to it, it's super effective, but the drawbacks are you're going down this weird road where these companies are selling your information. That's what- what Google is, is a company that provides you data, they provide you information, but they're also selling your data. They're constantly selling what you're interested in. Like if you ever went and- like say, like you're interested in a watch. Like, "I wanna get a new watch. Let me look at watches." Every fucking time you go to any website now, those Google ads will be a watch.

Jamie Vernon 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 It's weird. It's like they're- they're- they're just tempting you, like c'mon Jamie.

Jamie Vernon 1:02:18 I was listening to a podcast about the beginning of th- th- his- the history of the internet. It's called like Mint Cast, this was a couple of months ago. But, he was talking about how like when ARPANET was starting up in the '60s, there were a lot of protests about just even turning it on, because people were new that it was gonna be a surveillance system, like sort of like what is happening now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Really?

Jamie Vernon 1:02:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Even back then?

Jamie Vernon 1:02:38 And- and the abilit- it doesn't work if people aren't using it, kinda. Like, it needs to spread and get- uh, grow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:02:45 And that personal computing is sort of like tied in and c- came along at a perfect time for this.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Ooh.

Jamie Vernon 1:02:51 To like grow more, and like phones are s- even the next- the next evolution of it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Now, but doesn't it make life better? I mean there's pros and cons, right?

Jamie Vernon 1:02:58 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 And the cons we're all terrified of. But isn't it amazing that you can just Google things?

Jamie Vernon 1:03:04 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Like, you know like I- I said something the other day that I thought was a line in a movie, I was like, "Is that a line in a movie?" And my wife is just Googling it, and she's like, "Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope." I'm like, "Well how crazy is that?" You can just find out, like in a movie. Like how many f- goddamn movies are there? You just type in something in quotes and it'll say, "Oh, that was from The Shining." And then bam.

Jamie Vernon 1:03:25 The lyrics for every song on the internet.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Every song. Every song.

Jamie Vernon 1:03:29 (laughs) All of 'em.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 It's just the- the- the pros, I think, at least right now, outweigh the cons. It's just we all wonder where it's going. That's what's scary. What's scary is the unknown. You know? What's scary is this unknown surveillance state aspect of it all. You know. It's just- it's better, though. It's like- like- like-

Jamie Vernon 1:03:50 Yeah, there are benefits. I- I've bought some of the s- ads I've gotten shit for.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:03:54 I do it all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 For sure.

Jamie Vernon 1:03:54 It's great, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Oh, yeah for sure. (laughs) Well John Carmack, uh, had an interesting take on that. You know- you know 'cause Carmack is the guy who created Quake and Doom and all those games. And he was talking about Oculus, and we were talking about technology and people being addicted to their phones. He's like, "Yes, but it makes your life better." He's like- his take on it was, "But people's lives are improved because of this technology." And that this is, you know, the- like yes, people do get addicted to be on the screens, but one of the reasons why is because it's- it seems better to them than not being on the screens. Like there's benefits. It's making their life more enjoyable. I'm like, "Okay, but you're- I see how you're looking at it that way." But that's, you know, convenient when you're in technology to look at it that way. But the people that look at it like in terms of like human beings and our connection with each other, like how much of is- how much of it is getting eroded? Because so much- I mean how much- how many times do you and I, unless we see each other at the store, how many times do we talk on the phone? Like I called you up the other day. I'm like, "Hey. What's up? How ya doing?"

Jamie Vernon 1:04:52 (laughs) That was like the first phone call of 2019. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:04:55 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, brief in-studio participant) 1:04:55 I've been doing that to people. I called Santino yesterday. I'm like, "I just wanna talk on the phone, man. Can we ca- talk on the phone?"

Jamie Vernon 1:05:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 Like- like I think it's good to talk on a phone. I don't think people talk on the phone enough. I don't-

Guest (unknown name, brief in-studio participant) 1:05:04 I definitely don't.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 But we're lucky to- in that our job, we go out at night and we see each other. We all see our friends, you know. We talk. Like there's a lot of folks who don't do that. They see each other at work during the day, and then at nighttime they're sitting at home watching TV or staring at their phone, and their interaction is severely limited. Like our business is a social business. Like we're always out, you know. We're always out and about and talking to people and interacting with people. But I think some folks today, because of this technology, they're socially a bit stunted, and that's what I worry about.

Guest (unknown name, brief in-studio participant) 1:05:40 Yeah, I see it, 100%. I mean that's- it's weird that- how it's- you know when texting came out, everyone's like who's texting? And that s- kinda taken over from th- more people. Like I know a lot of people that don't answer their phone anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 Yeah.

Guest (unknown name, brief in-studio participant) 1:05:51 And email addresses. I think that's kind of on the way out. Who emails anymore unless it's like