Joe Rogan Experience #1369 - Christopher Ryan

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   And now, the official…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      And now, the official hello. Hello, Chris Ryan.

   2. CRChristopher Ryan0:06

      Hello, officially.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      What's going on, buddy? How are you?

   4. CRChristopher Ryan0:08

      Everything. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      You distinguished-looking motherfucker. Am I distinguished? Oh, that's- What, what do you think is going on with the, the goatee, the whole deal?

   6. CRChristopher Ryan0:13

      Yeah, it comes and goes. I don't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   8. CRChristopher Ryan0:16

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What have you been up to, man? I've been following your Instagram chronicles. You-

   10. CRChristopher Ryan0:19

       Have you?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       You, you, yeah. You're traveling the world in a van. What are you doing? (laughs)

   12. CRChristopher Ryan0:22

       Vanthropology, I call it. It's the vanthropology tour. Yeah. Yeah, I love it, man. It's like, uh, you know, you and I have probably spoken about in my 20s, I backpacked all over the world.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CRChristopher Ryan0:33

       Hitchhiked to Alaska a couple times and, you know, did all these adventures. A Sprinter van that you have a bed in and a cooler and a freezer, that's kinda like a backpack for a older, slightly richer dude.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs) Right.

   16. CRChristopher Ryan0:46

       You know, that's, that's how I look at it. 'Cause you have everything you need with you.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah.

   18. CRChristopher Ryan0:50

       Which is a feeling I love. I love just being able to say, "You know what? I'm tired. I'm gonna pull over and sleep right here. And before I do, I'm gonna have a couple of beers and listen to some music." And, you know, it's like everything I need-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   20. CRChristopher Ryan1:01

       ... is right here.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Right. Can you ... What, what is the deal with pulling over in a S- a Sprinter van and drinking? Are there a lot ... You know, like, you're not even allowed to be drunk in the backseat of your own car. You know that?

   22. CRChristopher Ryan1:12

       Yeah, I believe uh, uh, if you have a, a bed, it's considered a domicile.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Oh.

   24. CRChristopher Ryan1:18

       That's what I've been told. I'm not a legal expert, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Huh.

   26. CRChristopher Ryan1:21

       ... my understanding is that, uh, the front two seats are considered the vehicle, but beyond that, in the back where you have the bed and the, all the stuff-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Mm-hmm.

   28. CRChristopher Ryan1:30

       ... that's considered your house.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Oh.

   30. CRChristopher Ryan1:32

       So, a warrant to search is, is the same as, uh, someone coming into your house.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Wow. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      uh, I know another one that's a weird one is, uh, the football player Herschel Walker. I think he had trauma-induced multiple personality disorders.

   2. CRChristopher Ryan15:06

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Does she?

   4. JVJamie Vernon15:08

      There's a article that says, like, Bill B- Bill Maher reminds us she does, and then Roseanne says she doesn't, so...

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Yeah, I think she does.

   6. JVJamie Vernon15:15

      And then this 2001 says seven, having seven personalities is tough, her saying it, so...

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Yeah.

   8. CRChristopher Ryan15:20

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Uh, well, here's the thing about Roseanne, I mean, uh, and I'm, I'm saying this for the tenth time, I guess. She was hit by a car when she was 15, and she was put in a mental institute for nine months afterwards. She had severe brain damage, and she lost her ability to do mathematics, and, like, it really scrambled her brain. And that is p- the, probably the birth of the Roseanne that we know, the comedian. And, um, that's also the case with Sam Kinison. Sam Kinison was also, uh, like a pretty normal kid, and then he was hit by a car, and, you know, pretty severe brain damage as well. And, um, brain damage for w- especially, um, apparently, uh, it has a c- it, uh, especially has an impact on, um, your ability to be, uh, rational and impulsive behavior, it, like, people with brain damage a lot of the times get very impulsive. It's-

   10. CRChristopher Ryan16:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       ... it varies so widely.

   12. CRChristopher Ryan16:13

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       You know, it's, um, what, what happens to you depended upon, like, what kinda trauma, where the trauma is, and what part of your brain. But, um-

   14. CRChristopher Ryan16:21

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       ... when, when they said about Herschel Walker, I was always confused. I would wonder if it was from football, like football trauma, or was it personal trauma, like, you know, abuse?

   16. CRChristopher Ryan16:29

       Yeah. People with l- are diagnosed with multiple personality disorder, if I remember correctly, almost always were severely abused as kids.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Hmm.

   18. CRChristopher Ryan16:39

       You know? And, in fact, the, the rationale is that they develop the, uh, alternate personalities as a way of escaping a reality that's intolerable.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Makes sense.

   20. CRChristopher Ryan16:51

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Yeah. I mean, l- look, people do weird things with horrible memories, you know? They bury them to the point where they don't even really have access to them anymore.

   22. CRChristopher Ryan16:59

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       Sexual abuse and som-

   24. CRChristopher Ryan17:01

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       ... some traumatic events when you're young.

   26. CRChristopher Ryan17:03

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       But the fucking human brain, and the way it adapts and molds to things is so bizarre.

   28. CRChristopher Ryan17:09

       Yeah. There's a, there's an anecdote that is in this book, Civilized to Death. Notice that segue.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Ooh, good segue to the book.

   30. CRChristopher Ryan17:16

       Yeah. Thank you. Um...
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, you and Marshall…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      over, like, I r- I run all the time now, and when it's over, I just have this, "Ah."

   2. CRChristopher Ryan30:05

      Yeah, you and Marshall are-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yeah.

   4. CRChristopher Ryan30:06

      ... doing your thing. It's great.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Yeah, I fucking lo- And he loves it too. It's a crazy bonding experience with that dog, you know?

   6. CRChristopher Ryan30:13

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      When... 'Cause he loves it, you know?

   8. CRChristopher Ryan30:15

      I got my dad a golden retriever-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      They're the best dogs.

   10. CRChristopher Ryan30:18

       ... years ago when my dad was like... You know, I could... Maybe it's genetic 'cause he was pretty lazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       (laughs)

   12. CRChristopher Ryan30:23

       He'd come home from work and he'd, you know, sit in front of the TV and drink vodka and get upset about the news, and, and, uh, my mother didn't like dogs, but I, my sister and I convinced her that Dad needs a dog 'cause Dad'll get this dog and he'll go for walks 'cause the dog needs to walk, and so we got him a golden retriever. He named it Stoli-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       (laughs)

   14. CRChristopher Ryan30:43

       Bad sign right there. And then, uh, and then he never went for walks. Stoli just sat-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       (laughs)

   16. CRChristopher Ryan30:49

       ... next to him and got fat. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Oh, poor Stoli.

   18. CRChristopher Ryan30:52

       I know, I know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       Yeah. Well, it's common.

   20. CRChristopher Ryan30:55

       Doesn't always work.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       No. Um, yeah, uh, it helps me get going 'cause I know that he needs exercise.

   22. CRChristopher Ryan31:01

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       It does. But it helps me too, and it's fun. Like, I talk to him when we run, you know? Like, as we're running, you know, I, uh, have little conversations with him.

   24. CRChristopher Ryan31:10

       Yeah. Cool.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       It's fun, you know?

   26. CRChristopher Ryan31:12

       He's, he's not judging you, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       Pssh, he doesn't give a fuck.

   28. CRChristopher Ryan31:15

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       I could be fat, I could be covered in shit, he wouldn't give a-

   30. CRChristopher Ryan31:18

       He'd probably prefer that.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. The, the incremental…

   1. CRChristopher Ryan45:00

      They, they're sent off to do this horrible stuff, and then they come back, and it's like, "Okay, now, don't do that anymore."

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Yeah. The, the incremental progress that we achieve as a civilization is ... It's amazing, but also so frustratingly slow that no one, I mean, no one I've ever talked to, thinks there's gonna be a moment in our lifetime where there's no war. No one. No one thinks there's gonna be a moment in our lifetime where there's no murder. No one thinks there's gonna be a, a moment in our lifetime where there's no rape, where we just h- we just figure it out. Like, I'm pretty confident if it was just the three of us forever, no one would rape anybody. No one would murder anybody.

   3. CRChristopher Ryan45:37

      Well, just the three of us? (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      Just the three of us. (laughs)

   5. CRChristopher Ryan45:38

      I sure hope not. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      But you know what I'm saying?

   7. CRChristopher Ryan45:41

      Because I'm probably the other, the victim here. I don't-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:43

      Like, do you know what I'm saying?

   9. CRChristopher Ryan45:44

      Yeah. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Like, what, what number of people ha- have w- how many people do they have to be-

   11. CRChristopher Ryan45:49

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... before one of those things becomes a possibility?

   13. CRChristopher Ryan45:52

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Like, what, what i- if you have a group of close friends, a group of, group of close friends who are good communicators and good, honest, healthy, friendly people can live together. And-

   15. CRChristopher Ryan46:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       ... you know, whatever issues you might have with someone not doing the dishes or someone forgetting to put back your lawnmower or whatever the fuck it is, you could work that out. S- it's no big deal.

   17. CRChristopher Ryan46:11

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Like, what is, what's the number of people?

   19. CRChristopher Ryan46:14

       150.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       Okay, right.

   21. CRChristopher Ryan46:16

       That's Dunbar's number.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Dunbar's number. Yeah. (laughs)

   23. CRChristopher Ryan46:18

       Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you've heard about that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Yeah, I mean, that might really be it. That might be real- really be what we're programmed for.

   25. CRChristopher Ryan46:22

       Well, that's what hunter-gatherer, that's where hunter-gatherer groups always splinter.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Yeah.

   27. CRChristopher Ryan46:26

       Where they never get beyond that. And I think that's why because, uh, you know, a hunter-gatherer group, which is egalitarian and sharing and cooperative and all that, uh, by necessity, right? 'Cause that's how our ancestors survived is by taking care of each other, mitigating risk. Um, you need reputational damage. And if everyone doesn't know everyone, reputational damage n- is no longer effective. So, if you ... Let's say you go and you're, you're a good hunter and you kill an antelope and then you don't share it and you just keep it for yourself, that's not gonna go over real well with the hunter-gatherer group.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       Right.

   29. CRChristopher Ryan47:05

       You're, you're gonna be, uh, ridiculed, chastised, maybe expelled from the group, maybe have a hunting accident and die, uh, because that hoarding, selfish behavior is extremely taboo in a hunter-gatherer society.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       Mm-hmm.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:33

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Or the, the hot man who's, you know, in a sexual relationship with a woman if we know that you're having sex with men.

   4. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:07

      But then it's funny, right? We can watch straight actors pretend to be gay. Like, Burt-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      Sure.

   6. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:12

      ... Black Mountain.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Sure.

   8. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:13

      That's no problem.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Sure.

   10. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:15

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       No problem.

   12. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:16

       Yeah, very strange.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Yeah, it's, uh, it's... That's one of the last open prejudices that we all accept, because no one's been able to bridge that gap. Except, what's that dude's name? That fucking's got three names? Little skinny guy? Used to be on a sitcom, How I Met Your Mother?

   14. JVJamie Vernon1:00:36

       Oh. Neil Patrick Harris.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Yeah, that guy.

   16. JVJamie Vernon1:00:38

       Doogie Howser.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Doogie Howser.

   18. JVJamie Vernon1:00:39

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       Yeah, that guy. He's openly gay. And didn't he play a womanizer on a sitcom?

   20. JVJamie Vernon1:00:43

       ... I think, on How I Met Your Mother. It's like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. JVJamie Vernon1:00:45

       ... I've never watched it, but-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       But the thing about sitcoms is they're like plays. Like, those kinda sitcoms in front of an audience, they're horse shit.

   24. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:52

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       You know? It's like, it's not, it's not like a movie.

   26. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:55

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       It's horse shit. You know, you know it's horse shit. Everyone knows it's horse shit.

   28. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:59

       Anything with a laugh track-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Yeah.

   30. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:00

       ... I'm very suspicious, or, or studio audience.

Episode duration: 2:17:49