The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1374 - Justin Wren
At a glance
WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
MMA Fighter Battles Parasites While Fighting Bullying And Saving Pygmies
- Joe Rogan talks with MMA heavyweight and humanitarian Justin Wren about his severe health issues from parasites and toxic medications contracted during aid work in African rainforests.
- Wren explains his ongoing treatment, including cutting‑edge brain scans and hyperbaric oxygen therapy, while detailing how PTSD, Cipro and malaria drugs may have damaged his brain and body.
- They pivot into Wren’s Fight for the Forgotten charity, drilling wells and securing land for Pygmy communities, and his new U.S. mission around bullying prevention, highlighted by the story of a brutally bullied special‑needs boy named Raiden.
- Throughout, they explore how martial arts builds character, how hyperbarics may reverse brain trauma, and how Wren is trying to get healthy enough to fight again while expanding his global and domestic humanitarian work.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasUnusual environments can cause long‑term, hard‑to‑diagnose health damage.
Wren’s years in remote African rainforests left him with schistosomiasis, multiple malarias, dengue, and likely drug toxicities (mefloquine, Cipro), creating chronic vomiting, shingles, neurological issues, and systemic inflammation that many doctors initially missed or misattributed.
Hyperbaric oxygen therapy shows promise for brain injury and recovery.
Case examples (a teen car‑crash victim and a drowned child) plus Wren’s own experience suggest that repeated hyperbaric sessions can improve sleep, mood, cognitive function, concussion recovery, and potentially reverse some brain trauma by flooding tissue with oxygen and boosting stem cell activity.
PTSD isn’t just for soldiers; humanitarian and childhood trauma count.
Wren’s brain scans show a “ring of fire” pattern consistent with PTSD, which he traces to armed encounters, fleeing rebel attacks, watching children die, and childhood abuse and bullying—underscoring that severe trauma outside combat can profoundly imprint the brain.
Bullying is directly linked to youth suicide and harms bullies too.
CDC data cited in the conversation show youths who are bullied, youths who bully, and especially those who are both are at highest suicide risk; Wren frames this as “hurt people hurt people,” arguing prevention must cultivate empathy and positive identity, not only punish aggressors.
Structured character education plus practical challenges can shift school culture.
Wren’s Heroes in Waiting program uses 12 weeks of lessons and weekly “hero challenges” (e.g., anonymous acts of kindness, refusing to be a passive bystander) to move kids from bystanders to upstanders and to normalize everyday, quiet heroism.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesYou’re starting your day reactive instead of proactive.
— Justin Wren
I’ve had shingles five times, Joe.
— Justin Wren
Hurt people hurt people.
— Justin Wren
Learning how to fight is one of the best ways to keep people from being assholes.
— Joe Rogan
You’re just trying to be the guy that you needed whenever you were his age.
— Emily Wren (as quoted by Justin Wren)
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