Joe Rogan Experience #1374 - Justin Wren

1. 0:00 – 2:19

   Habit tracking, morning routines, and starting the day proactive

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (snaps fingers) And we're live. Hello, Justin Wren.

   2. JWJustin Wren0:05

      Hello.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      What's going on, buddy? You got a book in front of you? What's going on?

   4. JWJustin Wren0:08

      I do. Oh, I just got a couple of notes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Look how organized you are with your tabs.

   6. JWJustin Wren0:11

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      I've never had tabs in my life.

   8. JWJustin Wren0:13

      Yeah, this is actually from James Clear. Have you heard of him? Atomic Habits, New York Times best-selling author. I didn't plan on talking about him at all, but, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      What? The- the notebook is?

   10. JWJustin Wren0:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Oh, so you bought one of his notebooks?

   12. JWJustin Wren0:25

       Um, yeah. It's, uh, goes along with-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Hmm.

   14. JWJustin Wren0:26

       ... his New York Times best-selling book called Clear, where you put down your daily habits and then you just kinda can check them off as you do them throughout the day.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Wh- what's your dail- what's your daily habits?

   16. JWJustin Wren0:34

       Well, I have a morning routine where I wake up and, um, where I'm at, I have a Peloton. So I jump on that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Ah.

   18. JWJustin Wren0:40

       ... for like 30 minutes right in the morning, right when I get outta bed.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Right when you get outta bed?

   20. JWJustin Wren0:43

       Well, right when I get outta bed, I do 15 minutes of breathing.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Just breathing?

   22. JWJustin Wren0:47

       Yeah. But I do like five minutes, um, by myself for five minutes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       I do that too, it's called laying in bed. (laughs)

   24. JWJustin Wren0:51

       There you go. Yeah, drifting away. I kinda drift away for 15, 20 minutes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (laughs) What do you mean by... Well, what kind of, what kind of breathing you doing?

   26. JWJustin Wren0:57

       So just kinda focused where I breathe in six to eight seconds and kinda count the in breath, then count the hold, and then count the exhale. And I just do that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       So it's a meditation?

   28. JWJustin Wren1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       And you do that for 15 minutes every morning?

   30. JWJustin Wren1:07

       15 minutes, three short ones, back to back to back. They're through Headspace.
2. 2:19 – 4:10

   Fundraising inspiration: a supporter walks across America for Fight for the Forgotten

   1. JWJustin Wren2:19

      I should've brought it for you. Um, we... I'm in California and we had this already set up, but, uh, a buddy of mine walked across America for Fight for the Forgotten. Um, he heard, uh, us on the show.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      You know him?

   3. JWJustin Wren2:31

      I didn't know him before the show.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      So he said, "I'm gonna walk across the, the, the entire country for the pygmies."

   5. JWJustin Wren2:36

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      Wow.

   7. JWJustin Wren2:37

      Yeah. And, uh, which was wild. Um, he had already done something year the b- year before for the Paradise Fires. He's a professional drummer.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JWJustin Wren2:44

      Um, actually, you got to meet him, uh, right when, before we walked in here.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       Just out there, yeah.

   11. JWJustin Wren2:47

       Yep. He's the one in the cowboy hat, the Stetson.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       He's the second guy that I know that walked across America this year. Mike Posner is the other one. We, we've been-

   13. JWJustin Wren2:54

       Wow.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       ... talking about coming on. Mike, Mike and I have been going back and forth. He got bit by a fucking rattlesnake.

   15. JWJustin Wren2:59

       Jeremy has some wild stories. He actually just started-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       For sure.

   17. JWJustin Wren3:01

       ... this, uh, adventure coffee brand. Um, his, his, his drum company is called Beats from the Corps.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JWJustin Wren3:08

       Like beats from the drum corps. And then he had Beats for a Cause. And so last year he did it for the Paradise Fires. This year he did it for Fight for the Forgotten.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       I can't believe how many people I know-

   21. JWJustin Wren3:18

       Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       ... that have coffee companies. Mm-hmm.

   23. JWJustin Wren3:20

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Matt Brown-

   25. JWJustin Wren3:21

       Yeah, Larry.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       ... Immortal Coffee.

   27. JWJustin Wren3:22

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Lear and Hamilton Coffee. Uh, Tate, Fletcher, and Keith Jardine, Caveman Coffee.

   29. JWJustin Wren3:27

       Caveman Coffee.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       Uh, Black Rifle Coffee.
3. 4:10 – 13:32

   Justin’s health crisis begins: schistosomiasis and months of unresolved symptoms

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      Did he have to get shots? Hey, how are you physically? 'Cause you were t- you were saying that you had some crazy parasite.

   2. JWJustin Wren4:15

      Yes. Um, I have a lot of stuff that's still being tested.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      Jesus, man.

   4. JWJustin Wren4:19

      Um, so, uh, that's actually... Well, first reason I came, I'll, I'll share a little bit of my last week for if you... Uh, went up to, uh, Redding, my first time up to Northern California.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JWJustin Wren4:28

      It's beautiful up there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:29

      Gorgeous.

   8. JWJustin Wren4:30

      Gorgeous. The rive- the river right there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      So green.

   10. JWJustin Wren4:32

       Yes, absolutely. I didn't even know that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Yeah.

   12. JWJustin Wren4:34

       Um, and all the fly fishing that was going on up there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   14. JWJustin Wren4:37

       Um, I've never gotten the hang of fly fishing, but, uh, I love it. It looks like it's so, uh... I don't know, therapeutic.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Yeah, it's not hard. You, you could get it in a couple minutes. You're a smart dude.

   16. JWJustin Wren4:44

       Therapeutic. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       I mean, you're an athlete. You'd, you'd figure it out quick, but it's-

   18. JWJustin Wren4:47

       Well, Jeremy literally walked from the Brooklyn Bridge all the way to Redding, the Sundial Bridge. It's 3100 miles.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Does he know about flights?

   20. JWJustin Wren4:56

       (laughs) I, I think he's flown a time or two.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       You can catch a flight. It's like five hours.

   22. JWJustin Wren4:58

       His story's actually really unique. You, you'd like it. Uh, he grew up with, uh, uh... Well, he was put in, like, special education classes, um, because he had Tourette's, really, really bad Tourette's.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Hmm.

   24. JWJustin Wren5:09

       To where he had these tics, where he'd slap his foot. Um...

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       What causes that?

   26. JWJustin Wren5:13

       I have no idea, but he had these tics and this stutter. Well, through this walk and through drumming, he thinks he started to rewire the neural pathways in his brain, because he-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       Through the walk?

   28. JWJustin Wren5:22

       No, the walk and the drumming. So he would sit down and drumming-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       But the walk, I mean, he just did the walk, right?

   30. JWJustin Wren5:27

       Yeah, he just did it and... But he finished the walk and he said whenever he was playing stadiums, drumming, right? Like that's the, that's the pinnacle of being a professional drummer.
4. 13:32 – 16:58

   Brain scans, PTSD markers, and the stellate ganglion block conversation

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:32

      I had Dakota Meyer in here. Do you know who he is?

   2. JWJustin Wren13:34

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      Yeah. Dakota-

   4. JWJustin Wren13:35

      That was an incredible podcast. I meant to text you afterwards.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:37

      Yeah.

   6. JWJustin Wren13:38

      He was phenomenal.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      He's, he's an amazing guy. An amazing guy.

   8. JWJustin Wren13:39

      If people haven't heard that one, go back and watch it. It's one of my favorites that you've had.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:42

      He... Dakota's a l- legitimate hero. But one of the things that he was saying was that they in- injected him, and this... Do you remember what the blocker was called?

   10. JWJustin Wren13:52

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       That blocker?

   12. JWJustin Wren13:52

       SKG or...

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       S- whatever the blocker was.

   14. JWJustin Wren13:56

       XPG or something like that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       He, he described it-

   16. JWJustin Wren13:57

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       ... and he said it completely stopped his PTSD.

   18. JWJustin Wren14:00

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       Just cured all of his anxiety.

   20. JWJustin Wren14:02

       Melted it away.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       See if you can r- find it, Jamie, just so we could reference it.

   22. JWJustin Wren14:05

       I remember that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:06

       Yeah. I mean-

   24. JWJustin Wren14:06

       I sent it to my wife. She's in psychology right now-

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JWJustin Wren14:08

       ... she's gonna be a counselor. And I sent that to her because they were talking about PTSD, and the teacher said, "Oh, yeah, that's been around for a while too." And that's what Dakota said.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       Yeah.

   28. JWJustin Wren14:15

       It's been around for a while.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:16

       I think they made a clip. Uh, I think they made a clip, that Jerry Clips guys did. What's it called? Stellate ganglion block?

   30. JWJustin Wren14:23

       Yes.
5. 16:58 – 21:10

   Rallying around Raiden: bullying footage, bystander culture, and giving support

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      ... of these kids beating him up. But then I saw him with you.

   2. JWJustin Wren17:01

      Yeah. Yeah, so that's been fun, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:03

      What are you doing with them? Just-

   4. JWJustin Wren17:04

      Man, it's, it's great. F-

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:05

      ... perking up his spirits?

   6. JWJustin Wren17:06

      Yeah. Just wanting to, to, to rally around him, you know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:09

      That's awesome.

   8. JWJustin Wren17:10

      Uh, surround him with love and support-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:11

      How'd you find him?

   10. JWJustin Wren17:12

       ... and compassion. We're in the same town. (fingers snapping)

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       No shit?

   12. JWJustin Wren17:14

       Yeah. In the same town, Oklahoma City.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Wow. Wow. That's-

   14. JWJustin Wren17:16

       So, actually, Jamie, is it okay to play, uh, one of those videos I, I saved?

   15. NANarrator17:21

       Yeah.

   16. JWJustin Wren17:21

       Um, it's called Raiden Videos, and it's the n- first one. But just sort of people that haven't seen it, uh, you and Dakota talked about this, and you and Laird, um, about the diffusion of responsibility.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JWJustin Wren17:31

       Is that what it's called?

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Yes.

   20. JWJustin Wren17:32

       And people can just stand around and watch.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       Right.

   22. JWJustin Wren17:35

       Well, that's what happened with Raiden in the, in the urinal. Um, actually, not this video, but the next one. Um, this one's a fun, supportive one. And then this one right here is just, uh, him at the urinal, going to the bathroom.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       And the kid's beating him up?

   24. JWJustin Wren17:49

       And, um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       I don't wanna watch this.

   26. JWJustin Wren17:50

       Yeah. Just real quick after that, there's, um... So that's him at the urinal. There's eight to ten kids in the bathroom. They actually take it up to 12. Four or five are just filming it. And he's got special needs. He was born with autism. Deaf in his right ear, so he's got a, a, a hearing aid. Um, he's diabetic. Uh, he's, he's got...... diabetes in his family, and he's been relentlessly bullied since he was nine years old. This is him at th- so the bathroom was on Thursday, this is on Friday after school. Three kids jumping him, hitting him from all sides.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       For no reason.

   28. JWJustin Wren18:23

       For no reason. He's a big teddy bear. And, uh, he just ... His mom said since her picking him up at school in kindergarten, first grade, second grade, kids would just walk up and hit him in the stomach, um, or punch him in the arm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       Okay, let's not-

   30. JWJustin Wren18:35

       'Cause he's big enough.
6. 21:10 – 25:13

   Martial arts, confidence, and the downside of modern MMA trash talk

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      That's one of the things that bothers me about all this trash talking lately.

   2. JWJustin Wren21:13

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:13

      The trash talking trend in MMA that was really ... I mean, when people saw how much money Conor McGregor was able to make-

   4. JWJustin Wren21:18

      Oh, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:19

      ... it just became this promotion tool, just r- And Chael Sonnen was a part of it too, just guys-

   6. JWJustin Wren21:24

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:24

      ... just relentlessly talked shit about him. I'm so torn, because in one, on one hand, it's very entertaining.

   8. JWJustin Wren21:29

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:29

      And I do enjoy it.

   10. JWJustin Wren21:30

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       But on the other hand, I'm like, man, that is the wrong message to send. It kind of removes some of the beauty of what competition is.

   12. JWJustin Wren21:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       Like, what the beauty of competition is two people respecting each other, but being aware that they are, you know, they are going to have to go to battle. And, you know, they're equally skilled, equally trained, and we're gonna find out who's, who's got the more effective strategy or implementation, and here we go. But now, it's like you can't sell a fight without some shit talking.

   14. JWJustin Wren22:01

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       It's like it's changed from this martial arts thing to sort of this promotion of this thuggish behavior.

   16. JWJustin Wren22:07

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       Which, again, hypocritically, I enjoy.

   18. JWJustin Wren22:09

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:10

       I do enjoy it.

   20. JWJustin Wren22:11

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:11

       You know, when people talk shit, I, I clap my hands and get a kick out of it.

   22. JWJustin Wren22:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:14

       But I'm a dummy. (laughs)

   24. JWJustin Wren22:15

       Well, one thing pretty cool (laughs) about jujitsu, what you're saying, one, Raphael wanted me to ... He texted me coming in here that, uh, he wanted me to tell you what's up.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Oh, tell him I said hi-

   26. JWJustin Wren22:23

       Uh, Lovato Junior.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       ... and congratulations.

   28. JWJustin Wren22:24

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Bellator World Champ now.

   30. JWJustin Wren22:25

       Champion.
7. 25:13 – 29:20

   Congo travel realities and why Justin might have “unknown” exposures

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:13

      How long does it take you to get to where you go?

   2. JWJustin Wren25:15

      (clears throat) Well, it depends on where, where we go. But, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:17

      The deepest place.

   4. JWJustin Wren25:19

      Um, okay, a plane from Oklahoma City to normally Chicago, or Dulles, or JFK, or Atlanta. And then we go to Amsterdam, or London, or ... Is it Qatar or Cutter?

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:32

      I think it's Qatar.

   6. JWJustin Wren25:33

      Qatar, okay.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:34

      I think.

   8. JWJustin Wren25:34

      And then we'll fly either from there to Nairobi, Kenya or Kigali, Rwanda. And then from there you connect to, um, Kampala, Uganda. And then from there you get a private, like, missions or humanitarian plane that's just you and the pilot. And so, uh, you take that plane from there to Ug- uh, from Uganda to Congo. And then you land, you do customs, and then you get back in the plane and you go and you land on a runway that normally they have just cleared with machetes. So there's a whole village out there clearing that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      So how many times you flying? You're flying from Oklahoma City, let's just say Oklahoma City to JFK.

   10. JWJustin Wren26:10

       Yep.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       JFK to London.

   12. JWJustin Wren26:12

       Two planes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       So two to London. London to ...

   14. JWJustin Wren26:15

       Kenya.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:16

       Kenya.

   16. JWJustin Wren26:17

       Kenya to Uganda.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       Kenya to Uganda.

   18. JWJustin Wren26:19

       Four. Uh, Uganda-

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       Uganda.

   20. JWJustin Wren26:21

       ... to Congo-

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       To Congo.

   22. JWJustin Wren26:22

       ... five, and then you get in an- the plane again to go out to the rainfor- So six planes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       (sighs)

   24. JWJustin Wren26:27

       Six flights at least. Five planes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:29

       How many days?

   26. JWJustin Wren26:30

       Uh, it's normally two or three days.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:33

       Jesus.

   28. JWJustin Wren26:33

       And then, um, 30 hours or something of travel. And then after that you get in a car and it could be six hours. So where you land used to be in the rainforest, but you drive six hours now to get to the rainforest.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:45

       How come?

   30. JWJustin Wren26:46

       Because it's deforestation so bad.
8. 29:20 – 35:51

   Drug toxicity and compounding damage: mefloquine, Cipro, and severe malaria episodes

   1. JWJustin Wren29:20

      Um, and some of it were, like, antibiotics, but I have to stay away from certain antibiotics. Here's the thing, a couple of things that I, I know I have. PTSD, um, uh, because of my brain scans. Um, and then they see, in my brain, toxicity. And so, um, the toxicity in my brain, which kind of form these little divots, um, but not really divots. It's not really changing the biology or makeup of my brain, but it's just the activity of my brain-

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:46

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JWJustin Wren29:46

      ... isn't fully developed right there where, um ... Or it's, it's being ... Toxins are there that are either from mefloquine or from Cipro. Have you heard of Cipro toxicity?

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:57

      What is m- What's the first one?

   5. JWJustin Wren29:58

      Mefloquine.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:59

      What is that stuff?

   7. JWJustin Wren30:00

      That's a malaria drug.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Oh, geez. So the malaria drug-

   9. JWJustin Wren30:03

      That, that nobody should take for any reason.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:04

       Really?

   11. JWJustin Wren30:04

       Um, uh, they ... It used to be the drug of choice for our military. Now, tens of thousands of our military veterans, if you look up mefloquine toxicity, Military Times, they've done two articles. One was just a month or two ago, uh, but the first one showed that tens of thousands of our military veterans have wrongly been diagnosed with PTSD, and it's been because of this mefloquine. So they never saw war-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Oh.

   13. JWJustin Wren30:27

       But the mefloquine toxicity of the brain, it's like this poison for your brain, um, and if you've taken it for like six months, you can have it. It starts giving you bad nightmares, um, you can have different kinds of mood swings and different stuff, um, health, uh, joint aches, um, fatigue, all sorts of different things. But, um, basically what mefloquine toxicity of the brain does ... Well, tens of thousands have been wrongly diagnosed with it when they take it for once a, once a week. So you take the pill once a week and that was why it was our drug of choice instead of it being every day or two times a day.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Right.

   15. JWJustin Wren31:03

       You just take it once a week. Well, when I had malaria the three times, I was allergic to the normal malaria medication, quinine and artesune and, um, some other drugs like doxycycline and, uh, malarone. I wasn't responding to those well. I was vomiting. I was, uh, (clears throat) I, I was allergic to them. So mefloquine, my body digested the best or I just took it the best. So the three times I had malaria, they gave me two in the morning, two at midday, and two at night, and so I'm taking six in a day for five to seven days. And these other guys that were getting mefloquine toxicity were taking it once a week for six months. So I had 30 to 42 in a week's time. I had six months in a week's time, and I did that three different times.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Why are they giving you so much?

   17. JWJustin Wren31:50

       It was what my body was responding to against malaria. The first time I lost 33 pounds in five days, and so I was vomiting red and green, blood and bile. I lost m- most of my hearing, uh, my peripheral vision started disappearing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Jesus.

   19. JWJustin Wren32:02

       I had something called blackwater fever where my urine was literally as dark as that, that black clock, um-

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       Take pictures of it?

   21. JWJustin Wren32:09

       (laughs) I didn't. I sh- probably should have.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       Yeah.

   23. JWJustin Wren32:11

       Uh, it freaked me out. Uh, five days I didn't urinate, and then when I finally did ... If you google, uh, blackwater fever, one in four or one in two people that get it, they die.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       You didn't urinate for how many days?

   25. JWJustin Wren32:22

       Five days.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       Ge-

   27. JWJustin Wren32:23

       Five days I couldn't pee.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Oh my God.

   29. JWJustin Wren32:25

       Um, uh, they were trying to, uh, get IVs in me. My veins were collapsing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       Oh, Jesus.
9. 35:51 – 52:34

   Hyperbaric oxygen therapy: why it’s helping and the recovery stories that convinced him

   1. JWJustin Wren35:51

      And then, um ... And man, have you heard of hyperbarics?

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:54

      Yes.

   3. JWJustin Wren35:54

      This is-

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:54

      I know, um, Urijah Faber used it quite a bit after his fight with Jose Aldo.

   5. JWJustin Wren35:58

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:59

      When Aldo fucked his leg up-

   7. JWJustin Wren36:00

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:00

      ... and his, his leg swole up real bad.

   9. JWJustin Wren36:02

      I'm telling you, this is one of the biggest game changers. I love to float.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:06

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JWJustin Wren36:06

       I go in float tanks. I've done it at least 50 times, um, at Float OKC in Oklahoma. My wife and I, that's our date night. Once a week we go and we do that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:14

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JWJustin Wren36:15

       Um, and I, I float fight week at least twice a week. Uh, I really believe in floating. Um, hyperbarics is unlike anything I've ever done and felt immediate, long-lasting benefits from.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:27

       Like how so?

   15. GUGuest36:28

       What does it make you feel like?

   16. JWJustin Wren36:29

       Uh, I get better sleep than I've ever gotten.

   17. GUGuest36:30

       Really?

   18. JWJustin Wren36:31

       That was instant almost. I mean, I noticed it the first night. The second night... I've done over 20 treatments now-

   19. GUGuest36:35

       Hmm.

   20. JWJustin Wren36:35

       ... of hyperbarics. You get in the tank, um, you put on an oxygen mask and then they fill the tank up with oxygen and you lay there for an hour and a half to two hours. Some people it only takes an hour, but I'm bigger and they take me to a lower depth.

   21. GUGuest36:47

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JWJustin Wren36:48

       And then my ears kinda mess up on me a little bit on flights, um, they kinda get s- clogged up or whatever.

   23. GUGuest36:53

       Because of the hyperbaric chamber?

   24. JWJustin Wren36:54

       No. It's just they've always done that on planes.

   25. GUGuest36:57

       Okay.

   26. JWJustin Wren36:57

       And so, it's like you're in a plane when you're in the hyperbarics. And what it does is it pressurizes the oxygen down into your cells. So it's literally going into your mitochondria, that's what the new studies are showing.

   27. GUGuest37:09

       Hmm.

   28. JWJustin Wren37:09

       That oxygen gets in there and it promotes healing. And in your brain, it literally brings blood flow into every part of the brain that needs it, so it's one of the best things after a concussion.

   29. GUGuest37:19

       Oh.

   30. JWJustin Wren37:20

       So I was with Rayden, and what's... I- I'm one of those guys that sometimes thinks, um, everything happens for a reason, you know, where there's- there's not a lot of coincidence. I had just started hyperbarics two or three days before I met Rayden, then I'm doing it and they're saying it's one of the best things for concussions. Rayden gets a concussion from one of those fights, um, or maybe it was one of the ones that wasn't on the fight, but they diagnosed him. I was with the doctors and his mom and his dad whenever the doctor says, "I think he really has a concussion." Did some testing on him, wrote a prescription and said, "Hey, I really think he needs to do hyperbarics, that's one of the best things for concussions now." And I was like, "I just started." And so literally that day, the doctor hands him a prescription for hyperbarics, and then I take him in there and get hyperbarics. And this is probably the story I wanted to share with you about hyperbarics the most. There's this kid called Caleb Freeman, and he just made NBC Nightly News, um, I think FOX News and ABC, um, he's making the news everywhere because of his comeback story. The kid probably should've never been able to eat again on his own, especially never be able to walk. His parents were told that he would be left in a vegetative state. And if you have that Caleb Freeman video, number one-
10. 52:34 – 1:00:44

    Fight for the Forgotten wins: Poirier/Khabib/Dana donations and scaling wells + land

    1. JWJustin Wren52:34

       Yeah, it's been wild, but it's all been worth it. Like, uh, this stuff that happened with, uh, Dustin Poirier-

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:40

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JWJustin Wren52:40

       ... um, and Khabib, and then Dana matching it, I mean, that, um, that blew us all away.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:46

       Well, explain what you mean, because people don't understand what you're saying.

    5. JWJustin Wren52:48

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:49

       Who would... Dustin donating money for Fight for the Forgotten-

    7. JWJustin Wren52:52

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:52

       ... and Dana matching that money, and-

    9. JWJustin Wren52:53

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:53

        ... Khabib as well.

    11. JWJustin Wren52:54

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:54

        That's what you mean?

    13. JWJustin Wren52:55

        It was nuts. So for that fight, which was basically the modern-day Rocky story, the undefeated Russian-

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:01

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JWJustin Wren53:01

        ... they're building an arena for him, uh-

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:03

        Yeah.

    17. JWJustin Wren53:03

        ... arguably never lost a round potentially, and, um, or at least a fight, and, uh, Dustin goes there, the underdog, and he started The Good Fight Foundation, his own foundation with his wife, Jolie, and they're awesome. I was actually on my first ever bow fishing, uh, trip, and I get a call, uh, or a text, um, Instagram mess- message from Jolie saying that Dustin and her wanna help us raise funds for this fight. So I get back to them, then they call me, and, uh, I literally have a bow, uh, fishing, like, thing in my hand. This was my first time going, I didn't get anything. Um, but, uh, anyways, they, they say they wanna help us raise funds. I'm like, "This is awesome." Uh, they put up a fundraiser for $25,000 to help us drill a well for, um, an orphanage. So this orphanage for the pygmies there, um, it's a school, but they've all lost their parents, a lot of them because of, uh, HIV. Um, and, uh, their water source was taken out by a flood, a torrential flood that happened there. Um, so in the '80s, they had built this kind of, sort of well, it's more called a spring box. It was like a mountain-fed spring. Well, the mud got all in it, it busted up the pipes from the '80s. There was no way to recover that thing, so they needed a new one. Um, and so Dustin decided to set a goal to help us raise funds for 25,000 to be able to put a big water tower with a big solar system that put piped water into the classrooms, into, um, their living quarters, into the kitchen or the cafeteria. And so, um, through the fight, we had it funded, and then after that, the funds just kept coming in. Dustin and Khabib exchanged shirts, and then Khabib said he was gonna auction off his shirt and give 100% of it to, to Dustin.So that brought in $100,000.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:50

        Wow.

    19. JWJustin Wren54:51

        Dana said he would match it. Dana matched it. Um, and so we're gonna be able to drill seven wells now, not just one with a water tower, but seven wells. Uh, we're serving the other six right now. We're getting close to finishing the first one.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:05

        So has this, uh, the parasites and this disease... Is this, in any way, weakened your desire to go back there?

    21. JWJustin Wren55:11

        No. Not, not weakened my desire to go back there, just, just, uh, influenced or encouraged (laughs) me to, uh, to be a little smarter when I'm there to help protect myself-

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:19

        What, what could you do differently, just not go in the water?

    23. JWJustin Wren55:22

        Mm-hmm. I could stay in nicer places. Like the, um, doc team stayed in a hotel last time and-

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:28

        You didn't?

    25. JWJustin Wren55:29

        Uh, I, I actually did. Um, and that was the first time I had ever done that. Um, normally, I sleep in the twig and leaf huts. I sleep on the dirt. Um, and if I'm rained on, I'm rained on. And, um, and I don't use a mosquito net and things like that. Um, just I, I wanted to live like they lived and not have any of the real, um,-

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:49

        Comforts?

    27. JWJustin Wren55:49

        ... comforts and luxuries, and then them wonder why, why they don't have that or this or-

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:54

        Right.

    29. JWJustin Wren55:54

        ... the other. But, yeah, now I'm gonna take my own food. I'm not gonna eat the food there that can be contaminated. Um, uh, I'm gonna make sure everything I eat, uh, you know, I have clean hands before I eat it, and I normally do that, but just double checking everything, Purell, eat the f- the food I bring, sleep in a hotel, um, and just go on day trips there. Um, and, and that'll probably be smarter anyways, because if we bring someone with us, um, normally it's just me going. Uh, but last time we brought Chris Cyborg, um, and she, she helped with the kids. She helped drill two wells there, so that was awesome. We're up to 16 wells now, um, in Uganda.

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        Wow.
11. 1:00:44 – 1:08:49

    U.S. expansion: suicide risk, bullying statistics, and the 'Heroes in Waiting' curriculum

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Mm-hmm.

    2. JWJustin Wren1:00:45

       ... um, to bully prevention, because, Joe, it's nuts right now, the second leading cause of death...Um, so Butch, um, is Rayden's grandfather, and he is an old bull rider. Um, and Rayden lives with- with Butch and Claudia, his grandparents right now. And they found on with... in his forearm he wrote, "I want to kill myself," in Sharpie, and he's 12. He's 12. B- Butch said the first time Rayden wanted to kill himself, that he knew of, when it was... was whenever Rayden was nine years old. So he's nine years old and already suicidal, and Butch said, um, that that just makes his heart want to fall out of his chest. You know, he goes, "I'm his grandfather. How does my 12-year-old grandson not have enough to live for?" And, um, the leading... second-leading cause of death among kids from 10 to 14 is suicide. If you're between the ages of 10 to 14, that's the second reason-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       And bullying's-

    4. JWJustin Wren1:01:43

       ... of death.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       ... the cause of most that.

    6. JWJustin Wren1:01:44

       Yeah, most of it's from bullying, 'cause bullying is linked to the- the increase in depression, addiction, isolation, um-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       Do they think that the people who do it, is it because they were bullied at one point in time or abused physically?

    8. JWJustin Wren1:01:57

       So they do think that. Uh, and the easy way to remember that is, "Hurt people hurt people."

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       Right.

    10. JWJustin Wren1:02:01

        Right? Hurt people hurt people, whether that's an addict or a bully.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

        Mm-hmm. Right.

    12. JWJustin Wren1:02:05

        Um, but, uh, here's a statistic from the CDC. It's funny, the CDC found out that I had dengue fever, um, and then also the CDC did this study on bullying and, uh, the number three, um, at risk of suicide is the bully, the person that acts out by being a bully.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

        Mm.

    14. JWJustin Wren1:02:23

        Um, number two, surprisingly, is the victim. They're the second-highest risk. So then you think, "Who's- who's number one?" Well, number one is actually the one that does both. They are bullied, and then they act out by being a bully.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

        Oh.

    16. JWJustin Wren1:02:37

        And so they're getting it on both ends. They're-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

        No positive feelings at all.

    18. JWJustin Wren1:02:40

        Yeah, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

        It's just all a- a storm of negativity-

    20. JWJustin Wren1:02:42

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:42

        ... and awfulness.

    22. JWJustin Wren1:02:43

        It's this huge storm inside of 'em.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

        Now what can you do for- for bully awareness, right? Like how can you... how can you prevent it, or how can we mitigate it?

    24. JWJustin Wren1:02:50

        Yeah. I think it's by promoting a culture of... cultivating a culture of kindness. And I know that can sound a little wimpy but that's-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

        No, I don't think so at all, yeah.

    26. JWJustin Wren1:03:00

        Yeah, the- but if you look at Rafael, uh, Lovato Jr.-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JWJustin Wren1:03:03

        ... he was bullied, um, because he didn't look like everybody else-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

        So is Georges St-Pierre.

    30. JWJustin Wren1:03:07

        ... and dressed like everybody else. Georges St-Pierre. So many guys.

Episode duration: 1:56:57