Joe Rogan Experience #1374 - Justin Wren

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (snaps fingers) And we're live.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (snaps fingers) And we're live. Hello, Justin Wren.

   2. JWJustin Wren0:05

      Hello.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      What's going on, buddy? You got a book in front of you? What's going on?

   4. JWJustin Wren0:08

      I do. Oh, I just got a couple of notes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Look how organized you are with your tabs.

   6. JWJustin Wren0:11

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      I've never had tabs in my life.

   8. JWJustin Wren0:13

      Yeah, this is actually from James Clear. Have you heard of him? Atomic Habits, New York Times best-selling author. I didn't plan on talking about him at all, but, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      What? The- the notebook is?

   10. JWJustin Wren0:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Oh, so you bought one of his notebooks?

   12. JWJustin Wren0:25

       Um, yeah. It's, uh, goes along with-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Hmm.

   14. JWJustin Wren0:26

       ... his New York Times best-selling book called Clear, where you put down your daily habits and then you just kinda can check them off as you do them throughout the day.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Wh- what's your dail- what's your daily habits?

   16. JWJustin Wren0:34

       Well, I have a morning routine where I wake up and, um, where I'm at, I have a Peloton. So I jump on that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Ah.

   18. JWJustin Wren0:40

       ... for like 30 minutes right in the morning, right when I get outta bed.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Right when you get outta bed?

   20. JWJustin Wren0:43

       Well, right when I get outta bed, I do 15 minutes of breathing.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Just breathing?

   22. JWJustin Wren0:47

       Yeah. But I do like five minutes, um, by myself for five minutes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       I do that too, it's called laying in bed. (laughs)

   24. JWJustin Wren0:51

       There you go. Yeah, drifting away. I kinda drift away for 15, 20 minutes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (laughs) What do you mean by... Well, what kind of, what kind of breathing you doing?

   26. JWJustin Wren0:57

       So just kinda focused where I breathe in six to eight seconds and kinda count the in breath, then count the hold, and then count the exhale. And I just do that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       So it's a meditation?

   28. JWJustin Wren1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       And you do that for 15 minutes every morning?

   30. JWJustin Wren1:07

       15 minutes, three short ones, back to back to back. They're through Headspace.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Hmm. …

   1. JWJustin Wren15:00

      um, basically, he was saying that, yeah, um, that shot really, really does work.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Hmm.

   3. JWJustin Wren15:06

      Um, and people have been doing it for years. And with veterans, um, it's one of the quickest, um, things of treatment.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Do they think that you have some PTSD?

   5. JWJustin Wren15:13

      Yeah. They... Oh, so he was saying this, which Dakota said, you just cued that up, where it triggered that in my memory, where, um, the most common PTSD is car wrecks. I think that's what Dakota said, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Yes.

   7. JWJustin Wren15:25

      Is car wrecks cause the most PTSD.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Mm.

   9. JWJustin Wren15:28

      Same spots in your brain, that diamond of fire. Um, and that's something you can't avoid, right? You have to go back and be in public transportation or get in your own car, um...

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Do you have them from car accidents?

   11. JWJustin Wren15:38

       No, not from car accidents.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       What do you think you have it from?

   13. JWJustin Wren15:40

       From some tough stuff. Um, in the rainforest, whether it's Uganda or Congo.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Mm.

   15. JWJustin Wren15:45

       Um, we've had to flee from a, a village whenever a rebel group came into the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah.

   17. JWJustin Wren15:50

       ... village next to us, and they killed six or eight people, and we're all fleeing across the river in these, like, little pygmy dugout canoes, which aren't big enough really for me. Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Hmm.

   19. JWJustin Wren15:59

       ... and we were trying to flee across the river before the sun's even up, and there's, like, crocodiles and hippos in the water.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Oh, Jesus.

   21. JWJustin Wren16:05

       Um, and then, uh, and then a couple other really terrible things. I mean, I've, I've held kids that have died and buried them and-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Yeah.

   23. JWJustin Wren16:11

       ... dug their graves, and, um, that's happened numerous times. Uh, we've had machine guns pointed at us. Um, I won't get into that story too much, but, um...

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       We talked about that-

   25. JWJustin Wren16:20

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       ... in one of those stories before.

   27. JWJustin Wren16:21

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Yeah.

   29. JWJustin Wren16:21

       And someone, someone I love was r- or a bunch of people that I love were with me. And, uh... So that was really tough, 'cause we were unarmed and we were being threatened. Um, and so that was tough. Um, and then, and then some, like, childhood stuff, I think. Uh, different kinds of abuses and stuff.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Bullying and stuff like that?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   That's a malaria drug.…

   1. JWJustin Wren30:00

      That's a malaria drug.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Oh, geez. So the malaria drug-

   3. JWJustin Wren30:03

      That, that nobody should take for any reason.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Really?

   5. JWJustin Wren30:04

      Um, uh, they ... It used to be the drug of choice for our military. Now, tens of thousands of our military veterans, if you look up mefloquine toxicity, Military Times, they've done two articles. One was just a month or two ago, uh, but the first one showed that tens of thousands of our military veterans have wrongly been diagnosed with PTSD, and it's been because of this mefloquine. So they never saw war-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Oh.

   7. JWJustin Wren30:27

      But the mefloquine toxicity of the brain, it's like this poison for your brain, um, and if you've taken it for like six months, you can have it. It starts giving you bad nightmares, um, you can have different kinds of mood swings and different stuff, um, health, uh, joint aches, um, fatigue, all sorts of different things. But, um, basically what mefloquine toxicity of the brain does ... Well, tens of thousands have been wrongly diagnosed with it when they take it for once a, once a week. So you take the pill once a week and that was why it was our drug of choice instead of it being every day or two times a day.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      Right.

   9. JWJustin Wren31:03

      You just take it once a week. Well, when I had malaria the three times, I was allergic to the normal malaria medication, quinine and artesune and, um, some other drugs like doxycycline and, uh, malarone. I wasn't responding to those well. I was vomiting. I was, uh, (clears throat) I, I was allergic to them. So mefloquine, my body digested the best or I just took it the best. So the three times I had malaria, they gave me two in the morning, two at midday, and two at night, and so I'm taking six in a day for five to seven days. And these other guys that were getting mefloquine toxicity were taking it once a week for six months. So I had 30 to 42 in a week's time. I had six months in a week's time, and I did that three different times.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Why are they giving you so much?

   11. JWJustin Wren31:50

       It was what my body was responding to against malaria. The first time I lost 33 pounds in five days, and so I was vomiting red and green, blood and bile. I lost m- most of my hearing, uh, my peripheral vision started disappearing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Jesus.

   13. JWJustin Wren32:02

       I had something called blackwater fever where my urine was literally as dark as that, that black clock, um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       Take pictures of it?

   15. JWJustin Wren32:09

       (laughs) I didn't. I sh- probably should have.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       Yeah.

   17. JWJustin Wren32:11

       Uh, it freaked me out. Uh, five days I didn't urinate, and then when I finally did ... If you google, uh, blackwater fever, one in four or one in two people that get it, they die.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       You didn't urinate for how many days?

   19. JWJustin Wren32:22

       Five days.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       Ge-

   21. JWJustin Wren32:23

       Five days I couldn't pee.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Oh my God.

   23. JWJustin Wren32:25

       Um, uh, they were trying to, uh, get IVs in me. My veins were collapsing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       Oh, Jesus.

   25. JWJustin Wren32:30

       Um, so that was, that was pretty brutal. Um, but yeah, man. So, uh, I'm getting my health better there 'cause I do wanna fight again if I can.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:39

       But how, but how can you if you have this-

   27. JWJustin Wren32:41

       Yeah, I don't know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       ... stuff in your brain?

   29. JWJustin Wren32:43

       Well, we're ... I'm, I'm journaling my road to recovery, um-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       But, but, but if they don't know what this parasite is-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JWJustin Wren45:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Right.

   3. JWJustin Wren45:00

      Um, and show my health just increasing. And so that's the goal. I'm on this mission to get, get healthy, um, so I can fight again, but also just so that I can function better, um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Yeah.

   5. JWJustin Wren45:12

      ... and have, like, not these big swings, ups and downs.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      So the hyperbaric chamber is helping you-

   7. JWJustin Wren45:16

      Yeah, big time.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      ... but yet you're still feeling some serious-

   9. JWJustin Wren45:19

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       ... significant side effects.

   11. JWJustin Wren45:20

       Well, I just started the hyperbarics a month ago.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       Okay.

   13. JWJustin Wren45:23

       So I'm 20 treatments in. I need to get, um, 40 done as soon as possible. Um, and then they think I'll probably do another round of 40. Um, and then, yeah, I- I- I mean, seeing how, how Caleb's doing.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JWJustin Wren45:36

       I mean, Caleb told ... Caleb showed me this. This is wild. I come in and I'm, uh, about to get in the chamber with him and he shows me his hands shaking. And he's showing me, I don't know what that's called, but it's whenever, um, uh ... Is that when Parkinson's and different stuff, like you have those kind of shakes-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Mm-hmm. You can, yeah, for sure.

   17. JWJustin Wren45:57

       ... um, in your hand. Uh, or Alzheimer's or whatever that is. Um, so Caleb's got that, and he gets in the chamber. 90 minutes later, we get out. He shows me his hand and it's completely steel and he can put contacts back in his eyes.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Whoa.

   19. JWJustin Wren46:10

       But before, there's no way at all that he can get contacts in his eyes. Afterwards, his body's calmed down enough, his brain has enough oxygen and blood flow in it, that he can put his contacts back in on his own.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       That's insane.

   21. JWJustin Wren46:21

       Yeah. So, Raiden, um, his parents say that he was always up and down in the middle of the night and that they would have to try to put him back to sleep. Um, and now he just, once he's asleep, he's asleep until they wake him up. Um, they think it's helping with his autism, his diabetes. Um, his AC1 levels or whatever those are called, those have started to come down. And what the doctors have told us is, like, there's nothing better ... Uh, the doctors take a oath that say to do no harm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JWJustin Wren46:49

       Like, that's first and foremost is to do no harm. And they're like, if someone has a concussion or if someone has autism or if someone has, um, this bacteria or a parasite that might be in the brain, why not flood the body on a cellular level ... Oh, you're gonna love this part. That can increase your, your stem cells by eight times in your body.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       Whoa.

   25. JWJustin Wren47:11

       So it's one of the best treatments for whenever you have the stem cells injected in you.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JWJustin Wren47:15

       So I had the MSCs, the mesenchymal stem cells-

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JWJustin Wren47:19

       ... from my hip put in my shoulder.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       Mm-hmm.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:53

   Have you changed your…

   1. JWJustin Wren1:00:00

      hopefully, I don't have anything else besides that, but this toxicity stuff, Cipro or mefloquine, that could be messed with-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Have you changed your diet as well?

   3. JWJustin Wren1:00:06

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Yeah? What are you-

   5. JWJustin Wren1:00:06

      Yeah, my wife meal preps for me.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      What are you eating now?

   7. JWJustin Wren1:00:08

      I eat mostly... I eat meat, but I eat mostly vegetables, like more of that, like the small portion is meat. Um, it'll be chicken or fish, um, or something lean.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JWJustin Wren1:00:19

      (clears throat) A, a lot of nuts and a lot of thick, um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       Leafy green vegetables?

   11. JWJustin Wren1:00:24

       ... leafy green vegetables.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       And have you found that that's helped you?

   13. JWJustin Wren1:00:26

       That's helped me a lot.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Yeah?

   15. JWJustin Wren1:00:27

       It's helped me a lot.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       Are you juicing at all?

   17. JWJustin Wren1:00:28

       Yep.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Yeah?

   19. JWJustin Wren1:00:29

       I'm doing that. Uh, juicing with the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Cold press?

   21. JWJustin Wren1:00:31

       ... uh, with a Vitamix, so that way I get the pulp.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Okay, so you're getting all the fiber in there as well?

   23. JWJustin Wren1:00:35

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Yeah.

   25. JWJustin Wren1:00:35

       The fiber.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Wow.

   27. JWJustin Wren1:00:36

       So that's been really good. And then, and then I've been keeping myself busy. If I can't go there, we're really starting to expand our mission and vision here stateside-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JWJustin Wren1:00:45

       ... um, to bully prevention, because, Joe, it's nuts right now, the second leading cause of death...Um, so Butch, um, is Rayden's grandfather, and he is an old bull rider. Um, and Rayden lives with- with Butch and Claudia, his grandparents right now. And they found on with... in his forearm he wrote, "I want to kill myself," in Sharpie, and he's 12. He's 12. B- Butch said the first time Rayden wanted to kill himself, that he knew of, when it was... was whenever Rayden was nine years old. So he's nine years old and already suicidal, and Butch said, um, that that just makes his heart want to fall out of his chest. You know, he goes, "I'm his grandfather. How does my 12-year-old grandson not have enough to live for?" And, um, the leading... second-leading cause of death among kids from 10 to 14 is suicide. If you're between the ages of 10 to 14, that's the second reason-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       And bullying's-

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