Joe Rogan Experience #1381 - Donnell Rawlings

1. 0:00 – 2:28

   Rap studio talk: “Turn my shit up,” and what “16 bars” means

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Why is that?

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings0:03

      I don't know, it just feels... When you, it's, when you say, "Turn my shit up," the engineers and the producers feel like, oh, shit, this nigga just turned his shit up. He's about to go in.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Oh.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings0:12

      It gives you the impression that you're about to spit the hottest 16 of your life.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      16? What does 16 mean?

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings0:19

      16 bars-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Okay.

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings0:20

      ... in a song.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Okay.

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings0:20

       Like a, like in, in ra- You don't know this?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       No.

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings0:24

       So, nobody's ever come up to you and say, um, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       (laughs)

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings0:26

       Nobody's ever come up to you (laughs) and say-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       (laughs)

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings0:29

       ... um, s- "Let me get your 16. Spit s- hot s- s-, uh, a hot 16." Nobody's ever said that to you?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Never in my life have I heard that expression.

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings0:38

       You need to change the places you hang out, son.

   19. NANarrator0:40

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       (laughs)

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings0:40

       For real, man. I mean, I mean, I don't know. (laughs)

   22. NANarrator0:43

       (claps)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Ha!

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings0:44

       I'm not trying, I'm just sayin' 'cause I'm pretty sure there are places you would've... All the people, all the Black people you know, all the rappers and nobody-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Nobody's ev- asked me to rap.

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings0:52

       ... nobody's ever asked you to spit?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       No. No, never. I've never spit.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings0:56

       Have you ever practiced?

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Never.

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings0:57

       Come on, Joe. Don't lie, bruh.
2. 2:28 – 3:47

   Old-school hip-hop memories: Sugarhill Gang, boomboxes, and learning lyrics on cassette

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings2:28

      But if you remember that song, you remember when that song first came out, and I know I'm dating myself, you literally could get pussy if you knew every word to, um, Rapper's Delight.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:37

      I remember I was in junior high school and-

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings2:39

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      ... people were playing it in the lunchroom.

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings2:42

      Y- on a record player. Not record players, but tape cassettes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      A boombox. Yeah, a cassette.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings2:44

      With tape cassettes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:45

      I remember thinking, "Wow, this is like a new kinda music."

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings2:48

      It's a new kind of music. Not only the way you had to learn it, like, it wasn't like now you could skip through the timeline to a song or whatever. You ha- it was a cassette, so it would play-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Right.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings2:58

       Then you had to rewind it-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Right.

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings2:59

       ... back to that same spot and keep doing it, and you had to keep doing it until you learned all the words.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       But cassette players were fairly recent back then, so that was like, when Sugarhill came out was around the time cassette players were out where you could walk around and play the music. You didn't need a record player.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings3:13

       You didn't have a record player, and what people would do with those boombox, you would record your favorite music from the radio from-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Yes.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings3:20

       ... from your boombox.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Yep, yep.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings3:22

       So, you would have a nice little tape. You would have a nice tape that you think is like, "Oh, this shit is clear," then you hear somebody say, "Tisha, get the fuck off the stove."

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       (laughs)

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings3:29

       Because it was right, it was, it was recording right in, in the, in the, in the, in actual time.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Remember, and a lot of them had two decks-

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings3:36

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       ... so you could record other people's shit too.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings3:38

       Yeah, a lot of Black people had them. White dudes in the suburbs had the double decks.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       The double deckers.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings3:42

       Yeah, we had to sing... I was bam-

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Double decks were nice because you could get a friend and he had a cassette and you could copy that cassette.

3. 3:47 – 6:20

   DC’s Go-Go scene and rap crossing into the mainstream (Run-DMC + Aerosmith, Eminem)

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings3:47

      And, and you, and then we would copy them. We had go- in DC, that was really big with Go-go music. Go, you know what Go-go music is?

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Sure.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings3:54

      Go-go music, it's like, uh, African funk, uh, uh, uh, jazz, beat. It's like, it's, uh, a lot of percussions.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:06

      What's a good Go-go music artist?

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings4:08

      Um, Rare Essence.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      Oh, okay.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings4:09

      That's a band. Uh, Trouble Funk is a band. EU. I'm old school, so these were the biggest bands back then. Then you had this band called The Junkyard Band. You know, Junkyard Band, the way they started was they, was really, they kind of like copied The, The Cosby- you know The Cosby, The Cosby Show when he had that, The Backyard Band? They was on, um, radi- uh, radiators and stuff.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      Mm-hmm.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings4:29

      And these were guys who just take buckets and cardboard and card- and, and, uh, and cowbells and woodblocks and just basically get a beat. But you didn't-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Did you ever-

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings4:38

       Go ahead.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Sorry. Did you ever listen to when The Brand New Heavies got together with, uh, a bunch of different rappers and produced-

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings4:44

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       It was a very interesting album. Um, what, there, there's like, I think there's only one that they put out, but you c- you could get it off of iTunes, I think. But like, Kool G Rap did one. Um, a bunch other g- uh, a bunch other guys did one, but they did, like, they rapped over, like, different kind of music.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings5:04

       Oh, yeah?

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Yeah.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings5:05

       And it, did it get popular?

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       It was pretty popular back in the '90s.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings5:07

       I didn't... What was it?

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings5:08

       Was it Aerosmith and, um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Run DMC?

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings5:10

       ... you know, Run DMC?

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       Yeah, that was a big moment.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings5:12

       That was some crazy shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings5:14

       You, I mean, you knew for a Bla- me being a Black person, we knew rap was going to the next level. We was like this, "Yo, they fuck with them white boys now." (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       (laughs)

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings5:22

       Once you put that white boy vibe in there, man, it was like, it was out the... And that, that was the first time that had ever been done.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       One of the things that we talked about recently, I was saying like, think about the i- the number, the sheer number of white rappers who have actually made it.
4. 6:20 – 9:48

   Veteran’s Day and Donnell’s Air Force years: humor, reprimands, and Korea

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:20

      By the way, happy Veteran's Day.

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings6:22

      Thank you. I appreciate it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:23

      You are a veteran.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings6:24

      I am.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      This is the funniest veteran probably on the planet Earth, right across from me right now.

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings6:27

      I appreciate it. I appreciate that. Um, uh, probably the reason why I got out of the military was my sense of humor.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      Really?

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings6:34

      Yeah, I kept getting in trouble.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:36

      (laughs)

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings6:36

       I kept getting in trouble. I kept getting in trouble to the point where this was what I used to hear, uh, almost every Monday. "Airman..." And I was in a position of attention. "Airman Rollins, your blatant disregard for established military policy shows a lack of military bearing and integrity."

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Wow.

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings6:53

       Every day. That's what they do when they give, they give you a LOR, a letter of reprimand.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       Mm-hmm.

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings6:58

       And it's like a thing that you put in your file. Eventually, they're gonna stack all those things up and try to kick you out. But when I was in the military, I, I got out. I di- I didn't get out dishonorably. The only way you can get out dishonorably if it's like, during wartime or something like that. I got a, um, I, I got a honorable discharge, but I was that close to fucking my whole life up if I would've stayed.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Yeah?

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings7:20

       Yeah. They was gonna kick me out. I just was... I just was on joke time all the time.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       (laughs)

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings7:26

       I was on joke time. When I f- when I left, I was stationed in Kunsan, Korea. I left Kunsan, Korea, and I went to Bolling Air Force Base, Washington, DC. And I'm from DC, so I was... They knew I was close to home, and every Monday, they would give me a random drug test.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       (laughs)

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings7:39

       Every Monday. They were like, every Monday at 11 o'clock, I would get randomly tested for drugs. I always passed, but I knew that they thought something different of me and I knew it was time. I did my four-year commitment, my four y- four-year enlistment, and then I broke out.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       What was it like being in Korea?

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings7:55

       For me, I had just... I was... When I went in, I went in the Air Force, I was 17. You know, you... When you underage, your parents have to sign, give you permission for you to go.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Why'd you go in so early?

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings8:06

       Because the way my birthday felt, fell, some kind of way, when I graduated from high school I was only 17. And I didn't plan on... I wasn't gonna go to college. Um, I didn't really have a trade. And then for a lot of Black people, um, that's the alt- alternative. That's how you, uh, explore the world. It's probably, for some Black people, the first time you ever got on an airplane, first time you've been off your block. So, it was a good, it was a good transition from going to high school not, not doing anything. But I was just... I was a little kid. Like when I went to Kunsan, Korea, like, they didn't ha- I didn't know they did, there was no drinking age over there. When you're in the military, over in like a remote base, they do what they... They, they give you rations for alcohol. You can get four cases of beer or... One case of beer is equivalent to a fifth of liquor. So you can get four bottles of liquor or two bottles of liquor, two cases of beer. But the f- um, when they told me, "How many, how do you want to separate your rations?" I said, "I'm too young to drink. This ain't no drinking age over here." First time I ever went to a liquor store in, in, on base, I ordered, I got like 4/5 of tequila mix.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       Wow, and you were 17?

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings9:12

       I was 17. I got four 'cause I thought... I didn't know what the fuck shit, liquor was in. I had four... They was like, "You want to get any alcohol with this?" I was like, "Oh, I'm sorry." It was just the fucking fruit flavor shit that you, um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Mix it.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings9:22

       ... add to it, to mix, mix it with. That's how young I was. That was only-

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:26

       Now, when, when you, when you get this ration of a case of beer or-

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings9:29

       A month.
5. 9:48 – 11:01

   Rogan’s almost-military path: taekwondo teams, discipline, and fighters in service

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:48

      I was scared of the military when I was a kid.

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings9:50

      Why?

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:51

      Because I thought... Well, first of all, there... I was thinking about joining 'cause I didn't know what the fuck I was gonna do.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings9:56

      But you were thinking about joining to actually, um, uh, fight for your country or just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:02

      No.

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings10:02

      No?

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:02

      There was no war, right, back then.

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings10:04

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      But there was a... They had a taekwondo team. And, uh-

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings10:07

       (laughs) You just gonna join just to be on a taekwondo team?

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah, yeah. Well, I, I needed to figure out a way to make a living-

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings10:13

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:13

       ... while I was competing.

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings10:14

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       You know, when I was a kid, when I'm... Throughout high school and into my 20s, that's all I did, was do... fight in taekwondo tournaments. It was my, like my whole life.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings10:22

       That's why it makes sense.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       There was a dude named Clay Barber. He was a w- a national, high-level, highly-ranked guy. He was like two or three in the world, uh, two or three in the country. And he, uh, was an army guy. He had a job in the army, and he was on the army taekwondo team. The army had a team. And I remember thinking, "Oh, well, maybe that's the move." Like maybe I should-

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings10:41

       To join?

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah.

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings10:42

       Especially if they knew you were, you were nice 'cause that's what they did with... I mean, that was the case with some, um, guys that couldn't f- um, pursue a NBA career.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       Mm-hmm.

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings10:52

       You know, if they knew you were, like, extra talented in a certain field, they would've, they would put you in and just to... Like, you wouldn't have had to do the normal stuff. You would've just been traveling the world, just beating the shit out of people.

6. 11:01 – 19:25

   Boxing damage and knowing when to quit: Ward’s retirement, Tyson’s reinvention, Foreman’s comeback

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:01

      Yeah. Well, you remember Ray Mercer?

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings11:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:03

      Ray Mercer started in the army.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings11:05

      He did?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:05

      Yeah. That's, that's when he won a gold medal. He, uh, uh, I believe he was in the army just before that-

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings11:11

      Which-

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:11

      ... before he won the gold medal.

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings11:12

      Which heavyweight fighter joined the army after he, um... Was it Riddick Bowe?

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      Riddick Bowe joined the Marines 'cause he was trying to get some discipline.

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings11:19

       Man, that was the dumbest... I...

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       He was struggling. Look, man, there's a reality about getting hit in the head.

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings11:26

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       And nobody wants to talk about it till it's too late most of the time. But-

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings11:29

       But to get hit into a branch-

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       ... you start making-

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings11:32

       ... of service.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       You start making bad decisions. And for him, he, he decided that he needed discipline 'cause Riddick used to, he used to blow up and his, his... He had a problem with discipline, had a problem-

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings11:40

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       ... with like conditioning. You know, when he'd get in condition, when he'd be disciplined, he was, he was a motherfucker, like those Holyfield fights.

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings11:46

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       But then he would have fights where he just came in and he was just not in quite good enough shape and he would fall apart because of that. And I think he had decided the way to get real discipline was to join the Marines.

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings11:58

       That's ge- interesting to me because (clears throat) ...I'm pretty sure when he joined, he wasn't like, probably pressed for cash.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       I don't think it was a-

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings12:06

       He-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       ... press for cash thing, man. I think he wanted discipline. He just wanted to figure out how to... Maybe he felt like if they j- just whipped him into shape, he, he would, he would get past that hump. Because when you're a guy who's a multimillionaire and you're a world champion and you're still lazy-

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings12:21

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       ... then you're like, "Fuck, man. What, what do I have to do-"

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings12:24

       Let a white man yell at you (laughs) for like, two miles.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Or a black man, you know?

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings12:26

       Yeah.
7. 19:25 – 23:37

   Cooking rivalry: elk, wild game, and the science of sous vide

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings19:25

      It's easy to do and it's clean. Do you do elk?

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:27

      At a George Foreman grill? That's like, sacrilege.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings19:30

      Really?

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:30

      Yeah, yeah. It's just-

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings19:31

      I really was expecting just a slice of some elk.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:36

      Dude, you gotta come over. Come over and I'll cook some at my house.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings19:39

      I wanna do it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:39

      I would be happy to cook for you.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings19:41

      I'll go back-

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       I'm a good cook. I know you're a good cook too.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings19:43

       No, don't... That's not what you know 'cause you talked shit to me one time.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:46

       No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings19:46

       No, you did.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:46

       I was told-

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings19:47

       No, you talk shit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       ... "You're a good cook." I didn't talk shit.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings19:49

       No, yes you did, Joe.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       What did I say?

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings19:51

       I said, I said, uh, "I want a piece of elk." I think this is what I said. You said, "Well, you know, for a new guy, this is the best way to do it for your first time and if you're new to cooking." You said some shit like that. And I-

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Well, if you're new to cooking wild game, it's different. It's, there's no fat in it. It dries out really quick. You gotta cook it low and slow. You can't cook it like you cook a beef steak.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings20:11

       I could cook it any way I wanna cook it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       I'm sure you could.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings20:13

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       I know you can cook now.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings20:14

       I mean, the way you do it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       You got very offended though.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings20:16

       I did get offended.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       I was saying that you haven't cooked elk before. I wasn't saying you never cooked before. I don't ha- have no knowledge of whether or not you, you know how to cook.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings20:22

       All right, so give me a piece of elk.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       I got 100 pieces back there.
8. 23:37 – 28:31

   Opioids, fentanyl, and the ‘hug’ effect: addiction, painkillers, and empathy

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:37

      Like whenever a famous person dies from coke, you know, they're like, "Oh, this is the coke that killed that dude." You know? Like, who was that dude that played for the Celtics?

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings23:44

      And then the prices go...

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:46

      Wow.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings23:46

      Who was the dude that played for the Celtics who died of a heart attack?

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:49

      Lenny Bias?

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings23:50

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:51

      Yes.

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings23:51

      I remember everybody was like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:52

      Maryland man.

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings23:53

       ... "This is the shit that killed Len Bias."

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:55

       And they-

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings23:55

       Like, people wanted to sell it to you. They was calling shit the, the, the bias.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       Yes. Yes.

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings23:59

       Yes. That was such a tragic s- uh, story because I'm from the DC area, you know? He was like, a, a, a local guy. And then especially like, when somebody...... especially in the black community. If you got generation and generations of, of projects and welfare and everything, if one person busts through, it's like a whole bunch of motherfuckers to f- And it's unfortunate sometimes because that's kinda the downfall for a lot of people's finances, but you feel like, "I got the whole family," and everybody gets excited. And for him, not even to ever play a game-

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       Yeah.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings24:32

       ... it was, it's, that's just awful, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       Well, there's so many people dropping dead now from fentanyl, you know? So many, like Prince.

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings24:39

       That's a white person drug.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       No, it's not. Prince died of it.

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings24:42

       Oh, so that's one of those just doctors prescribe drugs.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       Yeah, well, what it is-

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings24:45

       So it's a white person drug.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:47

       It's, it's pain medication.

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings24:48

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:48

       Because like Prince had hip issues from all the dancing, but, uh, you know, Tom Petty died from it. A lot of people, I think David Bowie died from it. Didn't he die from it too? Did David Bowie die from fentanyl? It kills a shitload of people.

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings25:01

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:01

       A shit... And they, they, a lot of times they get it in something else and they don't know. They get it in molly or they get it in, i- in coke. Like Artie Lange was telling me that he accidentally had it in coke and he didn't even know it until he took Suboxone and he was sick for like a week.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings25:15

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Yeah, it's, um-

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings25:17

       I don't, I don't-
9. 28:31 – 37:15

   Mental health, loneliness, and social media: the ‘fabricated’ life online and phone addiction

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings28:31

      Everybody need an escape. Everybody has problems. You people, the biggest thing now people are talking about, like the biggest thing in the news everywhere is mental illness.

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:38

      Yeah.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings28:39

      Mental health is real, it's real. It's been there forever, but people just cope with it different.

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:44

      For sure.

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings28:44

      You know? Like, I know in my community, and they say black people especially, like, don't address mental issues. You know what I'm saying? It's like a black person, they have a problem with the world, "I just need to, I need a shot of ass." You know what I mean?

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:55

      Yeah.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings28:55

      "I need a, I need some Hennessy, I need to smoke a joint, I need to do a line of something."

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:59

      Right.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings28:59

      You know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       Right.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings29:00

       But everybody has mental issues, but how do we cope with it?

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Yeah, but-

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings29:05

       Peop- people have different coping mechanisms.

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       There's no way you're gonna get through this life without some mental struggle. There's no way.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings29:10

       No way.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:11

       It's not possible because if you just sit around and do nothing, you'll be filled with angst.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings29:14

       And can't do that-

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       Yeah.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings29:15

       ... just because of the world.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Right.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings29:16

       There's just so much shit going on.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:17

       Yeah. There's too much shit going on. Everybody's got struggles. There's no way around it.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings29:21

       No way around it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       Yeah.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings29:22

       And the person that don't have struggle, them motherfuckers are probably that close to being suicidal.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       Mm-hmm.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings29:26

       You know what I'm saying?

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:27

       I-

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings29:27

       People that hide it are the ones that go first.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       I think a strong community is important. You know, like having a lot of people around you that you love, you know, um, family, friends. Like, that's-
10. 37:15 – 55:38

    Comedy craft and the trenches: Joey Diaz stories, money comics, and arena shows with Chappelle

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings37:15

       Everybody... The other night, we were at the store, it was so funny. Like, you know how you, you get in your little zone when you enter, at The Comedy Store, like, "Who's next?" Right?

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:21

       Right.

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings37:21

       It was so funny, 'cause Joey was... I was up next, and Joey was like... They was like, "Who's next?" They were like, "Donnell." And Joey was like, "Oh, shit. This motherfucker's funny as shit. He's gonna... He's got a, uh, a s- a special coming out on Netflix, Degenerates. He's a funny motherfucker, I love him. He's a good fucking friend of mine. Give it up for Rondell Darlings," right? (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:40

       (laughs) That's just Joey Diaz.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings37:41

       And I was... Yo, yo, yo, I was like-

    6. JRJoe Rogan37:42

       Yeah.

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings37:42

       ... "That was the most clever way to call me the N-word I've ever heard, man."

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:47

       Ah.

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings37:47

       I'm like... And then... And it was so funny, it... And I know he didn't do it on purpose, it just happens.

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:51

        Joey Diaz fucks everybody's name up.

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings37:53

        He fucker-

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:53

        Everybody. It's half of his charm.

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings37:55

        And then he f- Then the next day he DMed me, he said, "Yo, Dee, I'm sorry. No disrespect about that." I was like, "Man, that shit was funny, it gave me a funny joke." And I been fucking-

    14. JRJoe Rogan38:03

        (laughs)

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings38:03

        ... Anquan Fanwoi. What's the dude name?

    16. JRJoe Rogan38:05

        Who?

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings38:06

        Fanwa, Anwar, Anwar?

    18. JRJoe Rogan38:08

        Faheem?

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings38:08

        Faheem Anwar.

    20. JRJoe Rogan38:09

        Faheem Anwar. (laughs)

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings38:10

        Yeah, that's what I'm tell... I told Joey, I said, "I've been fucking his name up for a year and a half."

    22. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        (laughs)

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings38:14

        So we are even, bro. I can't say Faheem Namwar or whatever for nothing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan38:18

        He call- UFC lightweight champion, Khabib Nurmagomedov, he calls him Kalabib.

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings38:22

        That sounds close.

    26. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        He calls him Kalabib. (laughs)

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings38:24

        That's close, but he reverse all my shit. Rond-

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:26

        He fucks everybody's name up.

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings38:27

        ... Rondell Darlings.

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:27

        What other names does he fuck up? He fucks everybody's name up.
11. 55:38 – 1:03:04

    Chappelle’s Show legacy: ‘Black Gallagher,’ iconic sketches, and the impact of catchphrases

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings55:38

       ... that, that, when I... I, I hate to keep... but you just said it. When, when I was with Chappelle's Show and I used to pitch ideas, and, um, they used to just throw my ideas, like, pop, "Get that shit outta here."

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:50

       Yeah.

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings55:50

       Neal used to... I used to pitch ideas, "Yeah, and then a guy gonna come down, then a dude will come, and then somebody gonna have a hat on, right? They gonna come and they gonna shoot him and then..." He used to be like this, pop. He used to smack that shit outta there. He was like, "Do that sh- shit 10 years ago, son," like my shit was so dated. And I couldn't think of anything. One day, I was watching Comedy Central and Gallagher was on, and for some reason, Gallagher looked like Dave Chappelle to me and I was thinking... 'cause Dave likes skateboards and shit, I could see him in skates. And I just said... and I... of course, I was smoking a joint, I said, "What if Gallagher was black?" I was like, "What if Gallagher was black?"

    4. JRJoe Rogan56:26

       (laughs)

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings56:26

       I just said, "What if Gallagher was black?" That was my pitch line.

    6. JRJoe Rogan56:32

       Oh, my God.

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings56:32

       I said, "What..." Look, I said, "What if Gallagher was black," right? And then I called Neal Brennan and I said, "I got a idea." He said, "What, son?" I said, "Black Gallagher," and bam.

    8. JRJoe Rogan56:45

       Wow, I forgot about this character.

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings56:48

       Yep, Black Gallagher.

    10. JRJoe Rogan56:50

        Dude, you were on, without a doubt, the greatest sketch show in the history of the world. I mean, it lasted only a little while, but those are the, the classic sketches. There's some great sketches. It doesn't put anybody's down. I mean, obviously, Saturday Night Live's been around forever. They had a lot of great sketches, but it's hard to beat the black KKK dude.

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings57:11

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan57:11

        It's hard to beat that sketch.

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings57:12

        It's like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan57:13

        It's hard to beat that-

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings57:13

        I don't even know what th-

    16. JRJoe Rogan57:14

        ... like, as an all-time sketch.

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings57:16

        I don't even know what thought process you gotta have to even... Yeah, that was-

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:20

        When that sketch is going on, you're, you're watching it going...

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings57:24

        Yo-

    20. JRJoe Rogan57:25

        All right.

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings57:25

        It...

    22. JRJoe Rogan57:25

        Whoa. (laughs)

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings57:27

        It felt like... When that sketch dropped-

    24. JRJoe Rogan57:29

        (laughs)

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings57:29

        Bro, when that sketch dropped, when that sketch-

    26. JRJoe Rogan57:31

        Oh.

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings57:32

        When that, when that sketch dropped, I was like, "Oh, shit."

    28. JRJoe Rogan57:36

        Dude.

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings57:37

        It was just like, "What are we talking about?"

    30. JRJoe Rogan57:39

        It's like one of the funniest things that's ever been captured on film when Neal's head explodes. (laughs)
12. 1:03:04 – 1:40:15

    Comedy and culture wars: Sticks & Stones, ‘be nice,’ politics, guns, and fixing broken communities

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings1:03:04

       And then to do the things like... It's hard not to talk about him because, you know, he's what some people consider the greatest to ever do it. You know what I'm saying? Then you have a relationship with that person, you know, you're not exploiting it but it's just interesting, you know. Like, I've, I've seen his career go to the point where... And this is why I say, uh, the, the last special he did, Sticks and Stones, was so important for comedy because critics and a couple of people who were dictating the tone of comedy had people second guess, some people second guessing themselves.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

       Right.

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings1:03:38

       You know what I mean? I've heard, I was hearing comedians like, "Oh, I wanna say this but I don't feel comfortable." I'm like, "What the fuck is happening? You gotta say what you wanna say."

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

       Right.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings1:03:45

       You know. And there was a, um, there was a comic, I won't mention their name but they wrote a critical article about Dave in Sticks and Stones. And the thing that I found interesting was that they wrote a crit- they were a comedian writing a critical article, which is all fucked up right out the gate. And I feel if you, as a comedian, if you don't know what specials, uh, like Sticks and Stones special and like what Bill Burr special, what they do for the voice of comedy is saying, "This is what we do, that's it, stop."

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:19

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:39:27