Joe Rogan Experience #1381 - Donnell Rawlings

Joe Rogan 0:00 Why is that?

Donnell Rawlings 0:03 I don't know, it just feels... When you, it's, when you say, "Turn my shit up," the engineers and the producers feel like, oh, shit, this nigga just turned his shit up. He's about to go in.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 0:12 It gives you the impression that you're about to spit the hottest 16 of your life.

Joe Rogan 0:18 16? What does 16 mean?

Donnell Rawlings 0:19 16 bars-

Joe Rogan 0:20 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 0:20 ... in a song.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 0:20 Like a, like in, in ra- You don't know this?

Joe Rogan 0:22 No.

Donnell Rawlings 0:24 So, nobody's ever come up to you and say, um, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:26 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:26 Nobody's ever come up to you (laughs) and say-

Joe Rogan 0:29 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:29 ... um, s- "Let me get your 16. Spit s- hot s- s-, uh, a hot 16." Nobody's ever said that to you?

Joe Rogan 0:34 Never in my life have I heard that expression.

Donnell Rawlings 0:38 You need to change the places you hang out, son.

Narrator 0:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:40 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:40 For real, man. I mean, I mean, I don't know. (laughs)

Narrator 0:43 (claps)

Joe Rogan 0:43 Ha!

Donnell Rawlings 0:44 I'm not trying, I'm just sayin' 'cause I'm pretty sure there are places you would've... All the people, all the Black people you know, all the rappers and nobody-

Joe Rogan 0:51 Nobody's ev- asked me to rap.

Donnell Rawlings 0:52 ... nobody's ever asked you to spit?

Joe Rogan 0:53 No. No, never. I've never spit.

Donnell Rawlings 0:56 Have you ever practiced?

Joe Rogan 0:57 Never.

Donnell Rawlings 0:57 Come on, Joe. Don't lie, bruh.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Never. I'm not lying!

Donnell Rawlings 0:59 No, bruh. You don't-

Joe Rogan 1:00 No.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00 ... you don't have-

Joe Rogan 1:01 I don't have any time.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02 If... You don't... Is that time for Black people or time for rap?

Joe Rogan 1:05 (laughs)

Narrator 1:06 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:06 I'm just trying to figure out which-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Time for me to rap. I like listening.

Donnell Rawlings 1:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09 But I've done zero rapping myself. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:11 So, you like, you like, you like (laughs) , you like ...

Narrator 1:14 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:14 I don't know. People got s- little slick ways of saying stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 1:17 (laughs) No, I don't have any time to be rapping.

Donnell Rawlings 1:19 So, you, the, the, there's a f-

Joe Rogan 1:19 I limit my, uh, my, what I try to do.

Donnell Rawlings 1:23 Okay, you don't have time for rap?

Joe Rogan 1:24 I don't have time to do it. I like listening.

Donnell Rawlings 1:26 Okay, this is the point I'm making about spitting.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 1:28 If you listen to it, there's probably a song that you like and there's never been a time in your life, you've been in the mirror out of the shower, that it, it felt good to you and you tried to... Spitting is the same as repeating the, everything that the person said.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:41 So, not one s- not one song that you like, you've never tried to sing a verse or, or, or a hook from that song?

Joe Rogan 1:48 I've definitely done that, but no one's ever asked me to spit.

Donnell Rawlings 1:52 So, if I asked you what's your favorite rap song, could you spit it? Would you be able to spit it?

Joe Rogan 1:59 I would have to think about it. My favorite? What would my favorite be? I like old school shit. Like, I like a lot of, like, Kool G Rap.

Donnell Rawlings 2:07 Oh, you take-

Joe Rogan 2:08 Like, I like old shit.

Donnell Rawlings 2:10 Yeah. So, you take... Oh, you going back almost to Sugarhill days?

Joe Rogan 2:13 Well, not quite that far.

Donnell Rawlings 2:13 You remember Sugarhill?

Joe Rogan 2:14 Sure. Hip, hop, hippity the hippity, hip hop.

Donnell Rawlings 2:16 You know that, motherfucker?

Joe Rogan 2:17 Sure.

Donnell Rawlings 2:17 You spitting, son.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Yeah, I'm spitting.

Donnell Rawlings 2:18 You's spitting.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Oh, I'm spitting. (sighs)

Donnell Rawlings 2:19 You spit, but don't spit for nobody in public, son. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:23 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 2:23 Because you look too excited about it. You like, "You hip, you hop to the hippity the hippity hip hop."

Joe Rogan 2:28 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 2:28 But if you remember that song, you remember when that song first came out, and I know I'm dating myself, you literally could get pussy if you knew every word to, um, Rapper's Delight.

Joe Rogan 2:37 I remember I was in junior high school and-

Donnell Rawlings 2:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:39 ... people were playing it in the lunchroom.

Donnell Rawlings 2:42 Y- on a record player. Not record players, but tape cassettes.

Joe Rogan 2:44 A boombox. Yeah, a cassette.

Donnell Rawlings 2:44 With tape cassettes.

Joe Rogan 2:45 I remember thinking, "Wow, this is like a new kinda music."

Donnell Rawlings 2:48 It's a new kind of music. Not only the way you had to learn it, like, it wasn't like now you could skip through the timeline to a song or whatever. You ha- it was a cassette, so it would play-

Joe Rogan 2:58 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 2:58 Then you had to rewind it-

Joe Rogan 2:59 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 2:59 ... back to that same spot and keep doing it, and you had to keep doing it until you learned all the words.

Joe Rogan 3:03 But cassette players were fairly recent back then, so that was like, when Sugarhill came out was around the time cassette players were out where you could walk around and play the music. You didn't need a record player.

Donnell Rawlings 3:13 You didn't have a record player, and what people would do with those boombox, you would record your favorite music from the radio from-

Joe Rogan 3:19 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 3:20 ... from your boombox.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Yep, yep.

Donnell Rawlings 3:22 So, you would have a nice little tape. You would have a nice tape that you think is like, "Oh, this shit is clear," then you hear somebody say, "Tisha, get the fuck off the stove."

Joe Rogan 3:29 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 3:29 Because it was right, it was, it was recording right in, in the, in the, in the, in actual time.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Remember, and a lot of them had two decks-

Donnell Rawlings 3:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:36 ... so you could record other people's shit too.

Donnell Rawlings 3:38 Yeah, a lot of Black people had them. White dudes in the suburbs had the double decks.

Joe Rogan 3:41 The double deckers.

Donnell Rawlings 3:42 Yeah, we had to sing... I was bam-

Joe Rogan 3:43 Double decks were nice because you could get a friend and he had a cassette and you could copy that cassette.

Donnell Rawlings 3:47 And, and you, and then we would copy them. We had go- in DC, that was really big with Go-go music. Go, you know what Go-go music is?

Joe Rogan 3:54 Sure.

Donnell Rawlings 3:54 Go-go music, it's like, uh, African funk, uh, uh, uh, jazz, beat. It's like, it's, uh, a lot of percussions.

Joe Rogan 4:06 What's a good Go-go music artist?

Donnell Rawlings 4:08 Um, Rare Essence.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Oh, okay.

Donnell Rawlings 4:09 That's a band. Uh, Trouble Funk is a band. EU. I'm old school, so these were the biggest bands back then. Then you had this band called The Junkyard Band. You know, Junkyard Band, the way they started was they, was really, they kind of like copied The, The Cosby- you know The Cosby, The Cosby Show when he had that, The Backyard Band? They was on, um, radi- uh, radiators and stuff.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 4:29 And these were guys who just take buckets and cardboard and card- and, and, uh, and cowbells and woodblocks and just basically get a beat. But you didn't-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Did you ever-

Donnell Rawlings 4:38 Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Sorry. Did you ever listen to when The Brand New Heavies got together with, uh, a bunch of different rappers and produced-

Donnell Rawlings 4:44 No.

Joe Rogan 4:44 It was a very interesting album. Um, what, there, there's like, I think there's only one that they put out, but you c- you could get it off of iTunes, I think. But like, Kool G Rap did one. Um, a bunch other g- uh, a bunch other guys did one, but they did, like, they rapped over, like, different kind of music.

Donnell Rawlings 5:04 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 5:04 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 5:05 And it, did it get popular?

Joe Rogan 5:06 It was pretty popular back in the '90s.

Donnell Rawlings 5:07 I didn't... What was it?

Joe Rogan 5:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 5:08 Was it Aerosmith and, um-

Joe Rogan 5:10 Run DMC?

Donnell Rawlings 5:10 ... you know, Run DMC?

Joe Rogan 5:11 Yeah, that was a big moment.

Donnell Rawlings 5:12 That was some crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 5:14 You, I mean, you knew for a Bla- me being a Black person, we knew rap was going to the next level. We was like this, "Yo, they fuck with them white boys now." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:22 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 5:22 Once you put that white boy vibe in there, man, it was like, it was out the... And that, that was the first time that had ever been done.

Joe Rogan 5:28 One of the things that we talked about recently, I was saying like, think about the i- the number, the sheer number of white rappers who have actually made it.

Donnell Rawlings 5:37 S-

Joe Rogan 5:37 It's a tiny-

Donnell Rawlings 5:38 It's a tiny bit.

Joe Rogan 5:39 ... tiny number.

Donnell Rawlings 5:40 Yeah. And it wasn't-

Joe Rogan 5:40 Like, if you were a white rapper-

Donnell Rawlings 5:42 It was-

Joe Rogan 5:42 ... your kid, like, if your kid was a white rapper and he's like, "Dad, I want to be a rapper." You're like, "Oh, good luck."

Donnell Rawlings 5:47 First, you gotta get him... Yeah, but you gotta get him a lot of Black friends first.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Lot of Black friends.

Donnell Rawlings 5:50 'Cause they gonna beat his ass down. Not physically-

Joe Rogan 5:52 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 5:52 ... but mentally.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Mentally.

Donnell Rawlings 5:53 And that's the same thing the Black community did with, um, Eminem.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 5:57 Right? When Eminem first came out, every Black person that appreciated rap or lyrics or flow knew he was good, but they were just, wasn't gonna give him a pass. Just like when you go in the military, you know, they treat the, the, the, the new green person, the Jeep person-

Joe Rogan 6:10 Sure.

Donnell Rawlings 6:10 ... they treat them like shit, and that's what they did with Eminem, and Eminem just kept coming, coming with fire, kept coming with fire to the point where-Um, he, he's respected as one of the best to ever do it.

Joe Rogan 6:20 By the way, happy Veteran's Day.

Donnell Rawlings 6:22 Thank you. I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 6:23 You are a veteran.

Donnell Rawlings 6:24 I am.

Joe Rogan 6:24 This is the funniest veteran probably on the planet Earth, right across from me right now.

Donnell Rawlings 6:27 I appreciate it. I appreciate that. Um, uh, probably the reason why I got out of the military was my sense of humor.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Really?

Donnell Rawlings 6:34 Yeah, I kept getting in trouble.

Joe Rogan 6:36 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 6:36 I kept getting in trouble. I kept getting in trouble to the point where this was what I used to hear, uh, almost every Monday. "Airman..." And I was in a position of attention. "Airman Rollins, your blatant disregard for established military policy shows a lack of military bearing and integrity."

Joe Rogan 6:52 Wow.

Donnell Rawlings 6:53 Every day. That's what they do when they give, they give you a LOR, a letter of reprimand.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 6:58 And it's like a thing that you put in your file. Eventually, they're gonna stack all those things up and try to kick you out. But when I was in the military, I, I got out. I di- I didn't get out dishonorably. The only way you can get out dishonorably if it's like, during wartime or something like that. I got a, um, I, I got a honorable discharge, but I was that close to fucking my whole life up if I would've stayed.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Yeah?

Donnell Rawlings 7:20 Yeah. They was gonna kick me out. I just was... I just was on joke time all the time.

Joe Rogan 7:25 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 7:26 I was on joke time. When I f- when I left, I was stationed in Kunsan, Korea. I left Kunsan, Korea, and I went to Bolling Air Force Base, Washington, DC. And I'm from DC, so I was... They knew I was close to home, and every Monday, they would give me a random drug test.

Joe Rogan 7:39 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 7:39 Every Monday. They were like, every Monday at 11 o'clock, I would get randomly tested for drugs. I always passed, but I knew that they thought something different of me and I knew it was time. I did my four-year commitment, my four y- four-year enlistment, and then I broke out.

Joe Rogan 7:53 What was it like being in Korea?

Donnell Rawlings 7:55 For me, I had just... I was... When I went in, I went in the Air Force, I was 17. You know, you... When you underage, your parents have to sign, give you permission for you to go.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Why'd you go in so early?

Donnell Rawlings 8:06 Because the way my birthday felt, fell, some kind of way, when I graduated from high school I was only 17. And I didn't plan on... I wasn't gonna go to college. Um, I didn't really have a trade. And then for a lot of Black people, um, that's the alt- alternative. That's how you, uh, explore the world. It's probably, for some Black people, the first time you ever got on an airplane, first time you've been off your block. So, it was a good, it was a good transition from going to high school not, not doing anything. But I was just... I was a little kid. Like when I went to Kunsan, Korea, like, they didn't ha- I didn't know they did, there was no drinking age over there. When you're in the military, over in like a remote base, they do what they... They, they give you rations for alcohol. You can get four cases of beer or... One case of beer is equivalent to a fifth of liquor. So you can get four bottles of liquor or two bottles of liquor, two cases of beer. But the f- um, when they told me, "How many, how do you want to separate your rations?" I said, "I'm too young to drink. This ain't no drinking age over here." First time I ever went to a liquor store in, in, on base, I ordered, I got like 4/5 of tequila mix.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Wow, and you were 17?

Donnell Rawlings 9:12 I was 17. I got four 'cause I thought... I didn't know what the fuck shit, liquor was in. I had four... They was like, "You want to get any alcohol with this?" I was like, "Oh, I'm sorry." It was just the fucking fruit flavor shit that you, um-

Joe Rogan 9:22 Mix it.

Donnell Rawlings 9:22 ... add to it, to mix, mix it with. That's how young I was. That was only-

Joe Rogan 9:26 Now, when, when you, when you get this ration of a case of beer or-

Donnell Rawlings 9:29 A month.

Joe Rogan 9:30 A month? Oh, it's a month.

Donnell Rawlings 9:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:31 That's what it is. So, 24 beers a month, you get?

Donnell Rawlings 9:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 9:34 But then people will hustle shit. It'll be like this, "All right, I'll give you a case of beer." It was almost like being in jail. "I'll give you a case of beer for a carton of cigarettes."

Joe Rogan 9:42 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 9:42 You know, and then people that didn't drink, they would sell their rations. So it was a way... If you really had a problem, there was a way to get around it.

Joe Rogan 9:48 I was scared of the military when I was a kid.

Donnell Rawlings 9:50 Why?

Joe Rogan 9:51 Because I thought... Well, first of all, there... I was thinking about joining 'cause I didn't know what the fuck I was gonna do.

Donnell Rawlings 9:56 But you were thinking about joining to actually, um, uh, fight for your country or just-

Joe Rogan 10:02 No.

Donnell Rawlings 10:02 No?

Joe Rogan 10:02 There was no war, right, back then.

Donnell Rawlings 10:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:04 But there was a... They had a taekwondo team. And, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 10:07 (laughs) You just gonna join just to be on a taekwondo team?

Joe Rogan 10:09 Yeah, yeah. Well, I, I needed to figure out a way to make a living-

Donnell Rawlings 10:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:13 ... while I was competing.

Donnell Rawlings 10:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:15 You know, when I was a kid, when I'm... Throughout high school and into my 20s, that's all I did, was do... fight in taekwondo tournaments. It was my, like my whole life.

Donnell Rawlings 10:22 That's why it makes sense.

Joe Rogan 10:23 There was a dude named Clay Barber. He was a w- a national, high-level, highly-ranked guy. He was like two or three in the world, uh, two or three in the country. And he, uh, was an army guy. He had a job in the army, and he was on the army taekwondo team. The army had a team. And I remember thinking, "Oh, well, maybe that's the move." Like maybe I should-

Donnell Rawlings 10:41 To join?

Joe Rogan 10:42 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 10:42 Especially if they knew you were, you were nice 'cause that's what they did with... I mean, that was the case with some, um, guys that couldn't f- um, pursue a NBA career.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 10:52 You know, if they knew you were, like, extra talented in a certain field, they would've, they would put you in and just to... Like, you wouldn't have had to do the normal stuff. You would've just been traveling the world, just beating the shit out of people.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Yeah. Well, you remember Ray Mercer?

Donnell Rawlings 11:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Ray Mercer started in the army.

Donnell Rawlings 11:05 He did?

Joe Rogan 11:05 Yeah. That's, that's when he won a gold medal. He, uh, uh, I believe he was in the army just before that-

Donnell Rawlings 11:11 Which-

Joe Rogan 11:11 ... before he won the gold medal.

Donnell Rawlings 11:12 Which heavyweight fighter joined the army after he, um... Was it Riddick Bowe?

Joe Rogan 11:16 Riddick Bowe joined the Marines 'cause he was trying to get some discipline.

Donnell Rawlings 11:19 Man, that was the dumbest... I...

Joe Rogan 11:21 He was struggling. Look, man, there's a reality about getting hit in the head.

Donnell Rawlings 11:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:26 And nobody wants to talk about it till it's too late most of the time. But-

Donnell Rawlings 11:29 But to get hit into a branch-

Joe Rogan 11:31 ... you start making-

Donnell Rawlings 11:32 ... of service.

Joe Rogan 11:32 You start making bad decisions. And for him, he, he decided that he needed discipline 'cause Riddick used to, he used to blow up and his, his... He had a problem with discipline, had a problem-

Donnell Rawlings 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 ... with like conditioning. You know, when he'd get in condition, when he'd be disciplined, he was, he was a motherfucker, like those Holyfield fights.

Donnell Rawlings 11:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:46 But then he would have fights where he just came in and he was just not in quite good enough shape and he would fall apart because of that. And I think he had decided the way to get real discipline was to join the Marines.

Donnell Rawlings 11:58 That's ge- interesting to me because (clears throat) ...I'm pretty sure when he joined, he wasn't like, probably pressed for cash.

Joe Rogan 12:06 I don't think it was a-

Donnell Rawlings 12:06 He-

Joe Rogan 12:06 ... press for cash thing, man. I think he wanted discipline. He just wanted to figure out how to... Maybe he felt like if they j- just whipped him into shape, he, he would, he would get past that hump. Because when you're a guy who's a multimillionaire and you're a world champion and you're still lazy-

Donnell Rawlings 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 ... then you're like, "Fuck, man. What, what do I have to do-"

Donnell Rawlings 12:24 Let a white man yell at you (laughs) for like, two miles.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Or a black man, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 12:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:27 There was a lot of black drill instructors too.

Donnell Rawlings 12:28 That would've been, that would've been so fucked, fucked up. Riddick Bowe is in your squadron or whatever-

Joe Rogan 12:32 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 12:33 ... and you yelling at him and you know this one punch-

Joe Rogan 12:35 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 12:35 ... this motherfucker can just kill your ass, man.

Joe Rogan 12:38 (laughs) He's-

Donnell Rawlings 12:38 That's what I'm saying, like, it's, it's always gotta be something separate, like, this guy can yell at me so much, but there's nothing he can do about it. And Riddick probably could've fucked up half the people that he was enlisted with.

Joe Rogan 12:46 100% of the people.

Donnell Rawlings 12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:47 Not even half.

Donnell Rawlings 12:48 Did it change anything?

Joe Rogan 12:49 No, he quit. He got out quick. They let him go. I mean, he was only in for a short period of time.

Donnell Rawlings 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:54 But like I said, I think, I think a lot of that had to do with just trauma, brain trauma.

Donnell Rawlings 12:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:59 You make terrible decisions. It's, it's a big factor, man. It's a big factor. And if you listen to Riddick now, he has a real hard time talking. It's real rough to hear.

Donnell Rawlings 13:07 'Cause so many of those, um, boxers, when they get outta the ring, I think Sugar Ray Leonard, out of all the ones that's still out, like, publicly and doing things, he's probably one that I, I, I can listen to. And you can understand, it don't seem like this- his faculties are off too much.

Joe Rogan 13:22 Not too much, but somewhat.

Donnell Rawlings 13:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:24 He's definitely struggling. You could hear him. He's... There's a pause to the way he talks that is noticeable. Like, he can keep it together.

Donnell Rawlings 13:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:33 And he can string together good sentences, but, I mean, you don't get over those wars that he had with-

Donnell Rawlings 13:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 ... Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and Marvin Hagler.

Donnell Rawlings 13:40 Man, that d- the w- that was the welterweight division, right?

Joe Rogan 13:42 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 13:43 That division at that time was so fire. And then Sugar Ray, people fucking hated him so much 'cause he was so pretty.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 13:50 He was so nice looking.

Joe Rogan 13:51 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 13:51 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 13:52 Beautiful.

Donnell Rawlings 13:52 You're like, "This..."

Joe Rogan 13:52 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 13:52 "I just wanna put a scar in this motherfucker's face." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:56 (laughs) That's how Duran felt about him.

Donnell Rawlings 13:57 Yeah, he'll beat your ass and take your girl in the same fucking fight-

Joe Rogan 14:01 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 14:01 ... man.

Joe Rogan 14:01 He was so good too.

Donnell Rawlings 14:02 He was so fun to watch.

Joe Rogan 14:03 He was so good.

Donnell Rawlings 14:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:04 But then, he's a... Like another one who stuck around too long. Hector Camacho stopped him and Terry Norris stopped him. And later in his career, man, he was getting fucked up. It just was wrong. He shouldn't have been fighting, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 14:13 It seems like when I look at, like, boxing and stuff like that, and people can have, like, a unblemished record. But it feels like... I feel like they'll never quit until... It's almost like you gotta get knocked out the ring or somebody g- have to give you the reason to quit.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Well, Andre Ward did, you know. And I was just talking to him real recently because they offered him a rematch with Cane- well, a, um, a fight rather, with Canelo Alvarez.

Donnell Rawlings 14:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:36 'Cause Canelo just knocked out Sergey Kovalev-

Donnell Rawlings 14:38 Like a week ago.

Joe Rogan 14:38 ... for the light heavyweight title.

Donnell Rawlings 14:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:40 And they said, "Look, this is a big super fight. You know, Andre Ward should come out of retirement. He's still in his prime. He's only 35 years old." He's, he's like, "No, thank you."

Donnell Rawlings 14:48 No?

Joe Rogan 14:49 "No, thank you." 100% undefeated, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion. He said, (snaps fingers) "I'm good. I'm good. I have money."

Donnell Rawlings 14:56 Why? For physical, for-

Joe Rogan 14:57 No, he said, he's like, "I have money, I have a family." And this is his, his wise words. He said, "I'm a better asset to boxing if I'm retired. I'm a better asset to boxing as an example of what's possible, that you can do all this and come out with 100% of your faculties intact."

Donnell Rawlings 15:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:12 You talk to that guy, he's 100% there.

Donnell Rawlings 15:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:14 And he's making money as a commentator and an analyst. He's got a great career. He made money. He's good. He's like, "I'm good."

Donnell Rawlings 15:21 Yeah. I want-

Joe Rogan 15:22 "I don't wanna lose my brain."

Donnell Rawlings 15:23 And, and everybody is different ways to do... The, the, the interesting thing to me, as vicious and notorious as Mike Tyson used to be and probably still is, it just something that makes me feel good knowing that this motherfucker is funny. And I know this may sound crazy, but he's like, a lovable Mike.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Yes, very lovable.

Donnell Rawlings 15:42 You know, like, lovable.

Joe Rogan 15:43 And high as a kite all day long.

Donnell Rawlings 15:45 Always w- (laughs) Well, that would make you (laughs) , that would make you lovable.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Well, that's what he said, it makes him a better person, like, we talked about. He's like, "Uh..." He was like, "I think it makes me a better person."

Donnell Rawlings 15:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:54 It does, man.

Donnell Rawlings 15:55 Tyson-

Joe Rogan 15:55 He's nice.

Donnell Rawlings 15:56 I just-

Joe Rogan 15:56 He's a nice guy to be around.

Donnell Rawlings 15:58 Somebody just, uh, posted. It w- it, it came back, that, that interview when he was promoting his, uh, one-man show.

Joe Rogan 16:04 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 16:05 And he was sitting down on the couch with this Black guy, and the Black guy was trying to push him into a corner.

Joe Rogan 16:08 Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Donnell Rawlings 16:08 Saying some crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 16:10 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 16:10 Man, I had so much fucking respect for Mike Tyson for doing that, because people always use the excuse, "I'm the media."

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 16:19 "No, this is the question the people want to know." That's not the questions the people want to know. That's the questions you want to know, and that's the shit you want to say to provoke somebody-

Joe Rogan 16:27 Exactly.

Donnell Rawlings 16:28 ... to turn into a motherfucking beast.

Joe Rogan 16:29 And well, he didn't even want to promote him. He wanted to make him, make him feel bad.

Donnell Rawlings 16:32 Yeah, make him feel bad.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 16:33 And I'm e- and I'm pretty sure you don't go like, your PR person, "We're gonna go in here, we're trying to promote this now do that."

Joe Rogan 16:39 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 16:39 Somebody put him up to it. But when he just looked at him, showed him that like, "You're a piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 16:42 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 16:43 It was-

Joe Rogan 16:43 And he, he realized, he's like, six feet away from one of the baddest motherfucker that's ever lived.

Donnell Rawlings 16:48 Man, I started shaking-

Joe Rogan 16:49 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 16:49 ... 'cause I was like, where is the tape of what happened fucking after that shit, man?

Joe Rogan 16:54 Afterwards. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, th- th- that is what it is. That guy was a piece of shit, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 16:59 Yeah, that was nasty.

Joe Rogan 17:00 He tried to fuck with him on TV, corner him and, you know, and, and have a gotcha moment.

Donnell Rawlings 17:06 And then he tried to flip it and go back to it.

Joe Rogan 17:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:08 And Mike was like, "No, I'm already pissed." No, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:10 "You are a piece of shit." Shout out to-

Joe Rogan 17:11 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:11 ... Mike Tyson for-

Joe Rogan 17:12 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:13 ... identifying the piece of shit and, and distinguishing it-

Joe Rogan 17:15 Well-

Donnell Rawlings 17:16 ... extinguishing that shit.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... imagine being him and sitting across from that guy, and the guy's all friendly with you up until that moment. And then when the lights are on, the camera's going, and then he pulls that shit on you. A lot of people don't know what to do there. He knew what to do. He knew what-

Donnell Rawlings 17:29 He knew what to do.

Joe Rogan 17:29 ... real on him.

Donnell Rawlings 17:30 I mean, he probably ex- probably felt that it could come up, but like, maybe even like, "Yo, you a brother, don't do it to me." You know?

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:38 But-

Joe Rogan 17:38 What was he, what was he promoting back then? That was promoting the one-man show? Is that what it was?

Donnell Rawlings 17:41 It was the one-man show, yeah. Undisput- What was it? Undisputed?

Joe Rogan 17:43 Undisputed. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 17:45 And that was a good show. I watched it on, I think it was HBO or Showtime.

Joe Rogan 17:48 Well, I watched the documentary. The documentary is incredible. Documentary is incredible.

Donnell Rawlings 17:53 Yeah, but it's just so good to know that like, from having as much fame and fortune as he had, and basically-... to, to start over and reinvent yourself. And n- I mean, I guess he's gonna be this generation's, how, uh, uh, George Foreman was.

Joe Rogan 18:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 18:09 You know?

Joe Rogan 18:09 In a lot of ways, right?

Donnell Rawlings 18:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:10 Yeah. Well, George Foreman reinvented himself while he was fucking people up, though.

Donnell Rawlings 18:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:14 George Foreman came back a preacher. I, I remember when he came back, he was 36 years old, he had a big belly. He was huge. He was like, 300 pounds, and people thought it was a joke. They're like, "This comeback's a joke."

Donnell Rawlings 18:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:23 And meanwhile, he kept losing weight, kept beating people up, kept losing weight. And then when he fucked up Gerry Cooney, everybody was like, "Hey, wait a minute."

Donnell Rawlings 18:31 What the fuck happened? Where it-

Joe Rogan 18:31 "Wait a minute-"

Donnell Rawlings 18:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:32 "... he is legit."

Donnell Rawlings 18:33 But he still looked like a fucking regular dude.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Nah, not quite.

Donnell Rawlings 18:37 I mean, he'd never-

Joe Rogan 18:38 He was round. He had like, a, a barrel chest, but he had these giant fucking arms. And that dude has canned hams for fists.

Donnell Rawlings 18:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:46 He has s- some of the biggest fists you've ever seen.

Donnell Rawlings 18:48 Look like he swing axes and shit.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Oh, he does. He did-

Donnell Rawlings 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 ... swing axes.

Donnell Rawlings 18:51 And all of his kids' name are George. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:54 (laughs) Even his daughter. He called his daughter, like, Georgina.

Donnell Rawlings 18:56 Really?

Joe Rogan 18:56 Yeah. It's crazy.

Donnell Rawlings 18:57 He got, he did good, he did really good. Who doesn't have a goddamn George Foreman grill?

Joe Rogan 19:01 That's a great grill.

Donnell Rawlings 19:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:02 When you're like, a single guy and you need to cook something quick.

Donnell Rawlings 19:05 College, military.

Joe Rogan 19:07 Cooks top and bottom chicken cutlets.

Donnell Rawlings 19:08 And you get grill marks.

Joe Rogan 19:10 S- yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 19:10 Women are impressed. It don't matter if you fucking live in a 100 square foot dorm room. If you got grill marks-

Joe Rogan 19:15 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:15 ... "Oh, I see. You're a fancy motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 19:17 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:17 "You got grill marks. This motherfucker is gourmet."

Joe Rogan 19:21 Gourmet grill marks.

Donnell Rawlings 19:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:23 It's a good way to cook. It's easy.

Donnell Rawlings 19:25 It's easy to do and it's clean. Do you do elk?

Joe Rogan 19:27 At a George Foreman grill? That's like, sacrilege.

Donnell Rawlings 19:30 Really?

Joe Rogan 19:30 Yeah, yeah. It's just-

Donnell Rawlings 19:31 I really was expecting just a slice of some elk.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Dude, you gotta come over. Come over and I'll cook some at my house.

Donnell Rawlings 19:39 I wanna do it.

Joe Rogan 19:39 I would be happy to cook for you.

Donnell Rawlings 19:41 I'll go back-

Joe Rogan 19:41 I'm a good cook. I know you're a good cook too.

Donnell Rawlings 19:43 No, don't... That's not what you know 'cause you talked shit to me one time.

Joe Rogan 19:46 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Donnell Rawlings 19:46 No, you did.

Joe Rogan 19:46 I was told-

Donnell Rawlings 19:47 No, you talk shit.

Joe Rogan 19:47 ... "You're a good cook." I didn't talk shit.

Donnell Rawlings 19:49 No, yes you did, Joe.

Joe Rogan 19:50 What did I say?

Donnell Rawlings 19:51 I said, I said, uh, "I want a piece of elk." I think this is what I said. You said, "Well, you know, for a new guy, this is the best way to do it for your first time and if you're new to cooking." You said some shit like that. And I-

Joe Rogan 20:01 Well, if you're new to cooking wild game, it's different. It's, there's no fat in it. It dries out really quick. You gotta cook it low and slow. You can't cook it like you cook a beef steak.

Donnell Rawlings 20:11 I could cook it any way I wanna cook it.

Joe Rogan 20:12 I'm sure you could.

Donnell Rawlings 20:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:13 I know you can cook now.

Donnell Rawlings 20:14 I mean, the way you do it.

Joe Rogan 20:15 You got very offended though.

Donnell Rawlings 20:16 I did get offended.

Joe Rogan 20:17 I was saying that you haven't cooked elk before. I wasn't saying you never cooked before. I don't ha- have no knowledge of whether or not you, you know how to cook.

Donnell Rawlings 20:22 All right, so give me a piece of elk.

Joe Rogan 20:24 I got 100 pieces back there.

Donnell Rawlings 20:26 Give me, give me-

Joe Rogan 20:27 You tell me what... I got everything for you.

Donnell Rawlings 20:28 All right.

Joe Rogan 20:28 All right.

Donnell Rawlings 20:28 Give me a piece of elk and I'm gonna do my elk magic to it-

Joe Rogan 20:31 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 20:31 ... and I'm gonna let you know.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 20:33 That's without you telling me how you gotta cook it slow.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 20:36 And if I wanna do that, I could use, I could do it the, uh, what is that thing? The ceviche? What is that, um-

Joe Rogan 20:40 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sous vide.

Donnell Rawlings 20:42 The sous vide.

Joe Rogan 20:42 Yeah, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 20:42 That fly shit.

Joe Rogan 20:43 Oh, that's a, that's a great way to cook. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 20:44 See, now I'm on a different level, right?

Joe Rogan 20:46 Yeah. Oh, I do that.

Donnell Rawlings 20:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:47 I do sous vide. I love it.

Donnell Rawlings 20:49 That's, it, it feels like you're doing some type of science project. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:51 I know, right?

Donnell Rawlings 20:51 You know, you gotta have your temperature right.

Joe Rogan 20:53 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 20:53 Make sure the apper is right. And then you see this big ass bucket of water, and then you keep putting your finger in it like, it don't feel like it's hot enough-

Joe Rogan 21:00 No.

Donnell Rawlings 21:00 ... to cook this shit.

Joe Rogan 21:01 And the weird thing is, you're cooking in a plastic bag. That feels fucked up too.

Donnell Rawlings 21:04 Yeah, it almost feels like you like a dope dealer doing that shit, man.

Joe Rogan 21:07 A little bit.

Donnell Rawlings 21:08 You gotta have a food processor. Not a food processor, but you have a-

Joe Rogan 21:10 A vacuum sealer.

Donnell Rawlings 21:11 ... a vac-

Joe Rogan 21:11 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:11 ... a, a FoodSaver.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:13 And you gotta have a, a thermometer and you gotta do it and take time. But it's kinda fun, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:16 Oh, it's great. You know, you can cook a steak for like, five hours at 130 degrees.

Donnell Rawlings 21:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:21 God damn, that thing will just melt in your mouth.

Donnell Rawlings 21:23 It's good for eggs too.

Joe Rogan 21:24 It's good for everything.

Donnell Rawlings 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Sous vide's great. I love it.

Donnell Rawlings 21:27 But you gotta be in that sous vide mode because after a while, you're like, "Man, fuck this, man. I don't..."

Joe Rogan 21:31 Do you blowtorch the outside? How do you finish it?

Donnell Rawlings 21:33 What? I braze it.

Joe Rogan 21:34 When you take like, a se- Do you braise it in a, like a s- hot...

Donnell Rawlings 21:36 On a, on a skillet.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:37 You can do that too.

Donnell Rawlings 21:38 'Cause you still gotta get that crisp, but the te-

Joe Rogan 21:39 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:39 ... the texture of it and everything's good. And I would think that would be something really, really good for like, for wild game 'cause it's so-

Joe Rogan 21:44 Oh, 100%. 100%, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:46 So we on the same page?

Joe Rogan 21:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people use it.

Donnell Rawlings 21:48 I-

Joe Rogan 21:48 Do, have you ever cooked any wild game before?

Donnell Rawlings 21:51 No.

Joe Rogan 21:51 No? Wild pig is great that way too. Sous vide and or, or barbecue. Low and slow.

Donnell Rawlings 21:56 So what's the big difference? The, the, it... What's the noticeable difference? The taste of it or the texture of it?

Joe Rogan 22:01 Everything. The taste, the texture. It's a firmer meat. It's the texture is, uh, it's like an athlete. I mean, you're eating like, a, a, a fucking thing that can run up hills.

Donnell Rawlings 22:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:10 It's just so different than a cow. Cows are just sitting around eating.

Donnell Rawlings 22:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:14 They don't use those muscles very much. And so, that's why it's all mushy and tender.

Donnell Rawlings 22:18 So it's tough then? Okay, there's-

Joe Rogan 22:19 It's more, it's more tough, but it's not too tough. Especially like, uh, I'll give you good cuts like, uh, like a tri-tip is nice, you know? Or, um, back strap's the best for loins.

Donnell Rawlings 22:28 So, it'd be good for roasting too. That's what I think I'm gonna do.

Joe Rogan 22:30 Oh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 22:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Oh, yeah, I got some roast back there. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 22:32 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 22:32 I roast it at like, 250 degrees and then I sear it on the outside after it's done.

Donnell Rawlings 22:36 See, you gotta keep telling me your process, bro.

Joe Rogan 22:38 You could do whatever you want.

Donnell Rawlings 22:38 I wanna know my process.

Joe Rogan 22:39 I'm just telling you what I do.

Donnell Rawlings 22:40 All right. I might take little-

Joe Rogan 22:41 It's not a competition, man.

Donnell Rawlings 22:42 I ta- it's always comp-

Joe Rogan 22:43 Do whatever... (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 22:44 It's always com- That's the most competitive people always say. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:48 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 22:48 The most competitive people-

Joe Rogan 22:50 That's true.

Donnell Rawlings 22:50 ... always say, "Yo, yo."

Joe Rogan 22:51 That's so true.

Donnell Rawlings 22:51 "Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba!" Dude, I'm not into competition with you.

Joe Rogan 22:54 That's so true.

Donnell Rawlings 22:55 But I've been training for eight months to not be in a competition with you.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Yeah, that's true.

Donnell Rawlings 22:59 Everything is competition.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 23:01 Healthy competition.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 23:02 Then you got fucked up competition.

Joe Rogan 23:03 That's right, there's two kinds.

Donnell Rawlings 23:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah. But uh, I'm, I lo- You know who was a really good cook? Ralphie May.

Donnell Rawlings 23:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:08 That motherfucker could cook.

Donnell Rawlings 23:10 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 23:11 But he went through a stomach stapling operation and he couldn't eat meat for a while. I think he just blew through the staples after a while.

Donnell Rawlings 23:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:17 He just gave up. But, uh, he did.

Donnell Rawlings 23:19 Yo, that's so fucked up.

Joe Rogan 23:20 He did, he did it a couple times.

Donnell Rawlings 23:21 Blew through the staples?

Joe Rogan 23:21 A couple times he blew through the staples. Yeah, they had to redo it. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 23:25 Damn.

Joe Rogan 23:25 Right, yeah. Ralphie liked to eat.

Donnell Rawlings 23:26 I wonder what sandwich he was eating to make those...

Joe Rogan 23:29 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 23:29 That had to be a, uh, that, that's a Subway footlong.

Joe Rogan 23:32 (laughs) I know.

Donnell Rawlings 23:33 After you get past the eight inches, you blew, you blew past the staple-

Joe Rogan 23:36 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 23:36 ... at 12-inch sub.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Like whenever a famous person dies from coke, you know, they're like, "Oh, this is the coke that killed that dude." You know? Like, who was that dude that played for the Celtics?

Donnell Rawlings 23:44 And then the prices go...

Joe Rogan 23:46 Wow.

Donnell Rawlings 23:46 Who was the dude that played for the Celtics who died of a heart attack?

Joe Rogan 23:49 Lenny Bias?

Donnell Rawlings 23:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 23:51 I remember everybody was like-

Joe Rogan 23:52 Maryland man.

Donnell Rawlings 23:53 ... "This is the shit that killed Len Bias."

Joe Rogan 23:55 And they-

Donnell Rawlings 23:55 Like, people wanted to sell it to you. They was calling shit the, the, the bias.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Yes. Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 23:59 Yes. That was such a tragic s- uh, story because I'm from the DC area, you know? He was like, a, a, a local guy. And then especially like, when somebody...... especially in the black community. If you got generation and generations of, of projects and welfare and everything, if one person busts through, it's like a whole bunch of motherfuckers to f- And it's unfortunate sometimes because that's kinda the downfall for a lot of people's finances, but you feel like, "I got the whole family," and everybody gets excited. And for him, not even to ever play a game-

Joe Rogan 24:31 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 24:32 ... it was, it's, that's just awful, man.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Well, there's so many people dropping dead now from fentanyl, you know? So many, like Prince.

Donnell Rawlings 24:39 That's a white person drug.

Joe Rogan 24:40 No, it's not. Prince died of it.

Donnell Rawlings 24:42 Oh, so that's one of those just doctors prescribe drugs.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yeah, well, what it is-

Donnell Rawlings 24:45 So it's a white person drug.

Joe Rogan 24:47 It's, it's pain medication.

Donnell Rawlings 24:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:48 Because like Prince had hip issues from all the dancing, but, uh, you know, Tom Petty died from it. A lot of people, I think David Bowie died from it. Didn't he die from it too? Did David Bowie die from fentanyl? It kills a shitload of people.

Donnell Rawlings 25:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:01 A shit... And they, they, a lot of times they get it in something else and they don't know. They get it in molly or they get it in, i- in coke. Like Artie Lange was telling me that he accidentally had it in coke and he didn't even know it until he took Suboxone and he was sick for like a week.

Donnell Rawlings 25:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Yeah, it's, um-

Donnell Rawlings 25:17 I don't, I don't-

Joe Rogan 25:17 ... killing people.

Donnell Rawlings 25:17 ... really know too much about those-

Narrator 25:19 David Bowie had cancer.

Joe Rogan 25:20 He had cancer?

Narrator 25:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:20 Oh, why did I think he had a... He definitely didn't die from a drug?

Narrator 25:25 It just says he died peacefully after an 18-month battle with cancer.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Oh, wow. Okay. Maybe I'm confusing him with somebody else. Must be.

Narrator 25:32 Ge- George Michael maybe?

Joe Rogan 25:34 Maybe that's it, but that doesn't make any sense.

Narrator 25:37 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 25:38 Yeah, I don't know too much about fentanyls and OxyContins and all that type of shit.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 25:42 That's like soccer mom drugs.

Joe Rogan 25:43 (blowing raspberry) Well, those are painkillers. It's like a lot of times, it's the people start off, they get a back injury. You know, you get hurt on the job or-

Donnell Rawlings 25:51 And then you got to-

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... go lifting weights or something like that, you pull your back out and you're like, "Ah." The doctor hooks you up with some OxyContin and you can't get off that shit.

Donnell Rawlings 25:58 I did... The only time I did, I did it on... I had surgery on my knee. I tore my patella trying to dunk on a eight-foot basketball rim-

Joe Rogan 26:05 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 26:05 ... trying to impress some kids. And, you know, I was like, "Oh, man, I'm not taking no painkillers. Fuck that. I'll just have a, a wooden spoon in my mouth. I'm gonna man up." Man, I laid down that first fucking night and that fucking blood started hitting that wound, I was screaming for that OxyContin. That took that shit, I was blanked. I was... I could finally realize the lyrics in most of these trap songs-

Joe Rogan 26:26 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 26:26 ... when I was high off that shit, son. So I'm like, "This is what Desiigner was saying all this time."

Joe Rogan 26:31 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 26:32 "I got room in the fanda, panda, panda." I've, I really... I was like, "This shit is crazy." I can't see how people... I mean, I can't see because I've never been addicted to anything like that, but it's just weird just d- to see people that want to be in that state of mind all the time.

Joe Rogan 26:47 Yeah, I think it's a lot of, a lot of the people were sexually abused or physically abused and they just... There's a thing about heroin they say. I've never tried it, but I've done morphine when I was, uh, when I had knee surgery. They gave me a drip while I was in the hospital, a little button you press anytime you want, you get, you hit it. And I was like, "Ah."

Donnell Rawlings 27:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 "Ah."

Donnell Rawlings 27:06 So it was instant as soon as you dropped the bag?

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah, you just hit it. Bang.

Donnell Rawlings 27:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:09 It would give you a little drip of morphine. Anytime you want it. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. You could hit it.

Donnell Rawlings 27:12 Damn.

Joe Rogan 27:13 But I think for a lot of people, they get addicted to it. At least how it's been explained to me, they're, a lot of them are suffering from physical abuse, sexual abuse, and there's a thing about morphine or heroin that gives you like a womb feeling, like you're protected, you're safe, everything's okay.

Donnell Rawlings 27:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 It's like a hug.

Donnell Rawlings 27:28 That's what they say...

Joe Rogan 27:29 When you need a hug.

Donnell Rawlings 27:29 Well, they say heroin is supposed to make you feel like that.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah, like a hug. Like the world's hugging you.

Donnell Rawlings 27:33 I did a, um, I played a, a heroin addict on HBO's The Corner years ago.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Oh, yeah?

Donnell Rawlings 27:38 And, um, I was trying to figure out like, what, how do I get my mind set to be high?

Joe Rogan 27:44 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 27:44 Right? And I was like, "What could they..." Because you see those heroin addicts.

Joe Rogan 27:48 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 27:48 They like, they lean and they nod and they come back up.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 27:50 I'm like, "What could they possibly be thinking about that take them into this world?" And I, and, and the way I've related it to, I was like, they're probably thinking about... It takes them to a place when they were feeling younger. It, it just takes them away from the real, real world and just feel like, like zombies, they just floating.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 28:09 You know?

Joe Rogan 28:10 Yeah, just floating in like that umbilical cord fluid, embryonic fluid, just in the womb, just, "Ah."

Donnell Rawlings 28:16 With no, with no, with no thought. But that's a tragic-

Joe Rogan 28:19 It is tragic.

Donnell Rawlings 28:19 ... tragic drug.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Well, sometimes people just feel so overwhelmed by life, you know? So overwhelmed by pressure and stress and bills and relationships and jobs and this and that and this... (deeply inhaling) They just need an escape. They just need to-

Donnell Rawlings 28:31 Everybody need an escape. Everybody has problems. You people, the biggest thing now people are talking about, like the biggest thing in the news everywhere is mental illness.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 28:39 Mental health is real, it's real. It's been there forever, but people just cope with it different.

Joe Rogan 28:44 For sure.

Donnell Rawlings 28:44 You know? Like, I know in my community, and they say black people especially, like, don't address mental issues. You know what I'm saying? It's like a black person, they have a problem with the world, "I just need to, I need a shot of ass." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 28:55 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 28:55 "I need a, I need some Hennessy, I need to smoke a joint, I need to do a line of something."

Joe Rogan 28:59 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 28:59 You know?

Joe Rogan 28:59 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 29:00 But everybody has mental issues, but how do we cope with it?

Joe Rogan 29:05 Yeah, but-

Donnell Rawlings 29:05 Peop- people have different coping mechanisms.

Joe Rogan 29:07 There's no way you're gonna get through this life without some mental struggle. There's no way.

Donnell Rawlings 29:10 No way.

Joe Rogan 29:11 It's not possible because if you just sit around and do nothing, you'll be filled with angst.

Donnell Rawlings 29:14 And can't do that-

Joe Rogan 29:15 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 29:15 ... just because of the world.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 29:16 There's just so much shit going on.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Yeah. There's too much shit going on. Everybody's got struggles. There's no way around it.

Donnell Rawlings 29:21 No way around it.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 29:22 And the person that don't have struggle, them motherfuckers are probably that close to being suicidal.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 29:26 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 29:27 I-

Donnell Rawlings 29:27 People that hide it are the ones that go first.

Joe Rogan 29:29 I think a strong community is important. You know, like having a lot of people around you that you love, you know, um, family, friends. Like, that's-

Donnell Rawlings 29:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 ... that's important too. People that you could talk to. Like, feel... When you feel loved. I think one of the real problems with people that, that, uh, just, just, i- it doesn't feel fixable is when they feel alone. They feel alienated.

Donnell Rawlings 29:46 But, like, is them, like, them by themselves?

Joe Rogan 29:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't feel like they're, they're in a, like a group. They don't feel like they're in a community. They don't... They just feel like nobody gives a fuck about them whether they live or die.

Donnell Rawlings 29:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:56 And that's one of the saddest feelings I think you could have.

Donnell Rawlings 29:59 How could you make somebody feel like that? That's just awful to make somebody... But then those same people probably have, d- don't have that one person-

Joe Rogan 30:07 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 30:07 ... that they can confide in.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 30:08 That one person that's not gonna bullshit them. The one person that doesn't want anything.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Right, but that's-

Donnell Rawlings 30:12 And the one person listens.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yeah, if you don't have anyone in your life, you don't have anybody that's telling you the truth or lying. You know? And there's a, and there's a lot of people out there that are real lonely that only c- exist on the internet, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 30:22 Oh, the internet is the... The internet is the most fabricated lonely place in the world.

Joe Rogan 30:27 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 30:28 And it's so... It's, it's interesting because it's like, like especially what we do is like you feel like you need it, but then after a while, this shit is just so fucking overwhelming.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 30:41 And it's so easy for a person to carve out the perfect life. People will tell you like, "Oh my God, I thought you was having so much fun on vacation."

Joe Rogan 30:49 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 30:49 This and that. You know how fucking many takes it takes to get that perfect picture-

Joe Rogan 30:54 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 30:54 ... to show everybody that your life is the fucking bomb?

Joe Rogan 30:58 Yeah. It's just a not... It's not an accurate representative of anybody's life, you know.

Donnell Rawlings 31:03 And it's everywhere. And that's where everybody wants to show their lives.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 31:07 I said, uh, you, you tell average chick, right? No, I won't say on the street, but just an average woman. If you tell them that, um, "I wanna take you on a vacation. Anywhere in the world you wanna go, but you can't bring a phone."

Joe Rogan 31:20 Oof.

Donnell Rawlings 31:21 You know what half of them motherfuckers would say? "Uh, let me think about that."

Joe Rogan 31:25 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:26 Because nobody wants to have a memory and share memory just from the memory they have.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 31:32 It's like they want it to get validated, want people to get the thumbs up and everything.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 31:36 And nobody... You, even you, with the sh- your shows, whatever, it's so weird. Like when I first started doing those shows where they lock your phones up-

Joe Rogan 31:43 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 31:43 ... I was like the first comic going on stage. And the first comic going on stage in front of a room with everybody phones locked up, they get in the heat.

Joe Rogan 31:53 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:53 'Cause people are like, "What the fuck, man?" I did... I've seen people trying to bite them shits open.

Joe Rogan 31:58 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:58 I seen people cut them motherfuckers open. I seen motherfucker answer, answer, try to answer the phone-

Joe Rogan 32:04 Through the paper or through the...

Donnell Rawlings 32:06 ... through the paper. And it feels weird at the beginning, but then after a while, it gets to a point where it's, it feels kinda cool. It's like-

Joe Rogan 32:12 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 32:12 ... you feel like you're in the moment. Who w-

Joe Rogan 32:13 You're connected.

Donnell Rawlings 32:14 You're connected. Who fuck, wants to watch a show?

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 32:17 Like how can you enjoy a show like this?

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people doing that too. You know, why... I realized it when I went to Comedy Works in Denver. They were the first place-

Donnell Rawlings 32:24 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 32:25 ... I ever went to that locked up phones.

Donnell Rawlings 32:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Now, the improv does it. They do it, uh, every show.

Donnell Rawlings 32:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 It's the way to do it, man. You know, I- I- I wish people would just put their phones away, but they don't want to.

Donnell Rawlings 32:34 They want to...

Joe Rogan 32:35 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 32:35 Everything, everything has to be recorded.

Joe Rogan 32:38 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 32:39 And everything... Uh, you gotta always show people what you're doing every second.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Well, they wanna see a picture. "Look, I got a picture. It's Donnell. Look, he's on stage right now."

Donnell Rawlings 32:47 I wanna see somebody with an Instagram that looks at your fucked up life.

Joe Rogan 32:52 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 32:52 See how many si- see how many likes you get for your life being fucked up.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Yeah. Holes in your socks. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 32:57 And you showing off to... Yeah, everything.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Run out of gas. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 32:59 All the type of shit... Bologna and cheese sandwiches for dinner and shit.

Joe Rogan 33:02 (laughs) My dog shit on the carpet again. Fuck.

Donnell Rawlings 33:04 Yeah. Not the fucking, "Oh my God, best life, yacht life."

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 33:07 "Living my best life."

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah. But it's, it's that thrill of, you know, showing everybody that you're killing it, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 33:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Like that's why a lot of people try to do well. They d- try to do well to show people they're doing well.

Donnell Rawlings 33:19 Oh, yeah. Everything is for the 'Gram. You, if you don't think-

Joe Rogan 33:21 It's very weird, man. It's very weird.

Donnell Rawlings 33:22 But then it's like you... And, but then on the other side of it, you want people to see you doing good things-

Joe Rogan 33:28 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 33:28 ... 'cause people want... People wanna follow your momentum.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 33:31 And people wanna ride with your journey. You know what I mean? See?

Joe Rogan 33:33 That's true.

Donnell Rawlings 33:33 And there's not too many of us like you, you probably... There's not too many people that like, like can live a social media free life-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 33:40 ... and still make money doing-

Joe Rogan 33:42 And it's-

Donnell Rawlings 33:43 ... in, in entertainment.

Joe Rogan 33:43 ... real hard. Dave does it.

Donnell Rawlings 33:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 He's one of the only people that I know that does it. But he's so intelligent about that kinda shit. He doesn't engage in that. He doesn't engage in other people's opinions of him. He's like-

Donnell Rawlings 33:54 He use my phone.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Does he?

Donnell Rawlings 33:56 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:57 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 33:57 He's not on... (laughs) He don't use his phone. He ain't gonna dirty his phone up.

Joe Rogan 34:01 That's hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 34:02 Anything social media or whatever, he wanna see it through my phone and shit.

Joe Rogan 34:05 He checks it out through you? That's hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 34:07 Oh, like... And the motherfucker is addicted to WorldStar.

Joe Rogan 34:09 Is he?

Donnell Rawlings 34:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:09 That's hilarious. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 34:11 Yo, we be on the road, man. We be on the road, and all you see is this motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 34:15 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 34:15 And it's always some shit, somebody getting ran over by a car or some shit.

Joe Rogan 34:19 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 34:19 It's like, "Oh, goddamn." WorldStar. He's on WorldStar hard as shit.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Oh, that's hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 34:24 But anything that's dealing with pop culture and stuff like that, I u- I'm usually like the, the, like the, the, the guy that brings him into it, but...

Joe Rogan 34:31 Does he just keep no phone, no apps on his phone?

Donnell Rawlings 34:34 I don't think... I, I don't think he has a app.

Joe Rogan 34:36 Good for him, man.

Donnell Rawlings 34:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:37 Good for him.

Donnell Rawlings 34:38 It's a good... I lost a phone the other day, man. And I was saying to myself, I was freaking out 'cause you know if you lose a fucking phone, the minute you do the pocket check-

Joe Rogan 34:45 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 34:46 ... you do like all four pockets and the first thing you say is "fuck".

Joe Rogan 34:50 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 34:50 And if you... The worst thing is a person that's going... When you're going out with a group of people and a person lose a phone, just ruined the whole fucking night.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yeah, because then you gotta go fucking search for it, turn around, go back.

Donnell Rawlings 34:58 All right. Be quiet. Be quiet. Call my phone.

Joe Rogan 35:01 Right. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 35:02 Call my phone. Could y'all be quiet? Could y'all call my phone? Could y'all call... And I told myself, I was like, "Fuck." I was... 'Cause I'm... I got the, um, iCloud and shit now, so it's not as fucking-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 35:12 ... tragic as it used to be.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 35:14 Like if you lose your phone, you losing-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Everything.

Donnell Rawlings 35:15 ... pictures of your kid being born-

Joe Rogan 35:17 Right. Right.

Donnell Rawlings 35:17 ... and all this stuff. And I lost a phone and I was like, "Fuck, I just lost mine four months ago." I lost a fucking phone, I was like, "You know what, Donnell? You can't let your phone fucking regulate your life like that. You're a person beyond that phone." I went to sleep, right? And I... The sleep was... It was so peaceful. And I woke up and the first thing I wanted to know was what time it was, right? (laughs) And I didn't even g- think to look at a watch or anything. I was like, "Where the fuck is my phone?" And I went right back and got a phone. I did 10 hours without a phone. I was about to go crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:45 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 35:46 I was like, "How do people fucking do this? How do you find out directions?"

Joe Rogan 35:50 Ari Shaffir went without a phone for four months.

Donnell Rawlings 35:53 For... It was a reality show?

Joe Rogan 35:54 No, he just... Yeah, it was his own reality show. He just decided to go to Asia. He traveled all around Asia. Went to like... He went to Vietnam. He went-

Donnell Rawlings 36:02 Yeah, but he was already loaded.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Yeah, he had money.

Donnell Rawlings 36:04 Yeah, yeah. You don't just... (laughs) You just don't-

Joe Rogan 36:06 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 36:08 You... (laughs) You just don't have like a minimum wage job and just leave your phone for four months.

Joe Rogan 36:12 No. No.

Donnell Rawlings 36:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:13 You kinda can't now. But what's crazy is this is a real recent thing. Our smartphones are only since 2000 and what, Jamie? '07? 2007 was the iPhone?

Donnell Rawlings 36:23 Ee- yeah, sounds right.

Joe Rogan 36:24 I think so, right? 'Cause X, iPhone X is 10 years, that was two years ago. So 2007 was the iPhone.

Donnell Rawlings 36:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:30 Before that, it was like flip phones, and not everybody had 'em, you know. And, and then 10 years before that, nobody had 'em. 1997? Nobody had 'em.

Donnell Rawlings 36:37 But it was a way- it was a way for everybody... 'Cause we look at it as a phone, but nobody usually- uses it for the phone feature.

Joe Rogan 36:44 No.

Donnell Rawlings 36:44 Unless you're old. Like only people who l- leave voice messages are people over 45.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Joey Diaz calls you. That's one thing.

Donnell Rawlings 36:51 He's over 45.

Joe Rogan 36:51 He likes to call, but he likes to talk... He goes, "I'm insecure." He goes, "I wanna know what the fuck your voice sounds like."

Donnell Rawlings 36:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:57 He goes, "I wanna call you, I wanna hear y- I wanna hear your heart."

Donnell Rawlings 37:00 Yo, if I-

Joe Rogan 37:00 "I wanna know what the fuck's going on."

Donnell Rawlings 37:02 He know, he, he knows somebody might hack your shit, but Joey Diaz is probably the only person that leaves voice messages when they talk on the phone.

Joe Rogan 37:09 He doesn't... I don't think he leaves voicemail. He'll leave me a text message. "Call me back, cocksucker."

Donnell Rawlings 37:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:13 That's what it says. I'll call him back.

Donnell Rawlings 37:15 Everybody... The other night, we were at the store, it was so funny. Like, you know how you, you get in your little zone when you enter, at The Comedy Store, like, "Who's next?" Right?

Joe Rogan 37:21 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 37:21 It was so funny, 'cause Joey was... I was up next, and Joey was like... They was like, "Who's next?" They were like, "Donnell." And Joey was like, "Oh, shit. This motherfucker's funny as shit. He's gonna... He's got a, uh, a s- a special coming out on Netflix, Degenerates. He's a funny motherfucker, I love him. He's a good fucking friend of mine. Give it up for Rondell Darlings," right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:40 (laughs) That's just Joey Diaz.

Donnell Rawlings 37:41 And I was... Yo, yo, yo, I was like-

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 37:42 ... "That was the most clever way to call me the N-word I've ever heard, man."

Joe Rogan 37:47 Ah.

Donnell Rawlings 37:47 I'm like... And then... And it was so funny, it... And I know he didn't do it on purpose, it just happens.

Joe Rogan 37:51 Joey Diaz fucks everybody's name up.

Donnell Rawlings 37:53 He fucker-

Joe Rogan 37:53 Everybody. It's half of his charm.

Donnell Rawlings 37:55 And then he f- Then the next day he DMed me, he said, "Yo, Dee, I'm sorry. No disrespect about that." I was like, "Man, that shit was funny, it gave me a funny joke." And I been fucking-

Joe Rogan 38:03 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 38:03 ... Anquan Fanwoi. What's the dude name?

Joe Rogan 38:05 Who?

Donnell Rawlings 38:06 Fanwa, Anwar, Anwar?

Joe Rogan 38:08 Faheem?

Donnell Rawlings 38:08 Faheem Anwar.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Faheem Anwar. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 38:10 Yeah, that's what I'm tell... I told Joey, I said, "I've been fucking his name up for a year and a half."

Joe Rogan 38:14 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 38:14 So we are even, bro. I can't say Faheem Namwar or whatever for nothing.

Joe Rogan 38:18 He call- UFC lightweight champion, Khabib Nurmagomedov, he calls him Kalabib.

Donnell Rawlings 38:22 That sounds close.

Joe Rogan 38:23 He calls him Kalabib. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 38:24 That's close, but he reverse all my shit. Rond-

Joe Rogan 38:26 He fucks everybody's name up.

Donnell Rawlings 38:27 ... Rondell Darlings.

Joe Rogan 38:27 What other names does he fuck up? He fucks everybody's name up.

Donnell Rawlings 38:30 Stipoka- Stipe-

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yeah, it's-

Donnell Rawlings 38:32 Stipok. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:33 He calls Stipe Miocic, Stipok.

Donnell Rawlings 38:35 But you gotta li- love it. And then this is after he just fucking dismantled a room and shit.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Always.

Donnell Rawlings 38:40 Now, like, I mean, "How the fuck I'm gonna get into my next joke? Thank you, I can just segue that right into my shit."

Joe Rogan 38:45 Ah, Joey's a s- he's a national treasure. There's nobody-

Donnell Rawlings 38:49 Man, he's like-

Joe Rogan 38:49 ... like that guy.

Donnell Rawlings 38:50 There's nobody like him and there'll never be anybody like him again.

Joe Rogan 38:53 No.

Donnell Rawlings 38:54 You got certain people that, that, that, you know... And I'm not wishing bad anything on Joey, but they, they just live forever.

Joe Rogan 39:01 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:01 You know what I mean? You'll hear stories-

Joe Rogan 39:02 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:03 ... for them forever. And then you'll have stories, and especially, this is what I respect. You know, as long as... You have people that been doing comedy for years and years, right? But a lot of 'em don't stay sharp.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 39:13 You know what I'm saying? They don't do spots.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:15 You know what I'm saying? The only time they come out, it's like, "Okay, I talked to my accountant, it's time to go out and make a couple million."

Joe Rogan 39:20 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:20 And get it, but they're not out there. And that's one of the things that I really respect about him, is that you see somebody that's been ripping, not like a year, their whole career, and still you could feel the passion. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 39:35 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 39:35 You could feel... You know, you know comics that go in... And I call 'em money comics.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:39 As soon as they go in, they looking at they watch, "Okay, I get the light at 40, give me a quicker light, let me get my money and get outta here."

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:45 Then you can tell people that really still enjoy the engagement of the audience, the response they get, and they, they enjoy getting better.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 39:54 They enjoy ripping the stage up for the next person to have to rip the stage up. They really enjoy the, the, the, the skillset and what it takes to be a great stand-up comedian. And that- Joey is one of them people that I... You know how some people, you can just watch 'em?

Joe Rogan 40:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 40:09 You know what I mean? Even if you know something you heard is gonna come out, you just... You've... It's gonna be something, some nuance that they do to make it different from the last time.

Joe Rogan 40:17 Well, what Joey does too is he gets in the pit. He gets in there with, you know, 15 comics on a, you know, Tuesday night. Th- that's-

Donnell Rawlings 40:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:25 That's big, man. Those spots are big, when it's you doing 15 and another dude 15, and there's so many... And, and no one's there to see you, they're there to see the whole show.

Donnell Rawlings 40:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:33 And you're, you're there working with guys like you-

Donnell Rawlings 40:35 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 40:35 ... guys like Chris D'Elia, guys like... Whoever, that's just jammed up-

Donnell Rawlings 40:38 But that's what gets-

Joe Rogan 40:39 ... with talented comics.

Donnell Rawlings 40:40 But that's what makes m-... That's what makes motherfuckers funny.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Yes, yes.

Donnell Rawlings 40:44 Motherfuckers, you, you see, uh, you see a group of wack comics, like birds of a feather flock together. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 40:52 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 40:53 You only learn it... If you around a wack comic all the time, you never test it.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 40:57 You know what I'm saying? You know those... Do you ever see those nights when people... Everybody is bombing?

Joe Rogan 41:02 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 41:02 Everybody's bombing. It's so bad, that motherfuckers have r-... Have, uh, bomb material ready.

Joe Rogan 41:08 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 41:08 They just need to get into the bomb.

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 41:10 You know, they just need one... All they need is one like, "Oh." They be like, "Oh, here's my bomb. They're my- my bomb jokes." But they don't... Motherfuckers don't go hard.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 41:18 They don't go hard anymore, man. But in some spots like that-

Joe Rogan 41:21 But some people don't.

Donnell Rawlings 41:21 ... in the spots... The Comedy Store, motherfuckers go hard.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Some people don't, yeah. Some people also, they get to a certain point where they have an- an audience and then they just work for that audience.

Donnell Rawlings 41:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:30 And they know the people are gonna come see them 'cause the people like them, and so they don't... They don't-

Donnell Rawlings 41:34 They don't test theyself.

Joe Rogan 41:34 ... do any workout sets. They only do sets when they're on the road.

Donnell Rawlings 41:39 That's why I do... When I go... Whenever I go, like I came up through the Chitlin Circuit. Whenever I'm in Brooklyn or I s- slide through Philly. You know, in the black comedy circuit, everybody has these rooms, you know what I'm saying? And as much as you- we, uh, get big where people say they don't do it anymore, I like to do 'em 'cause it just really knows... I really know the climate and I know what I'm working with.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 41:59 You know? I, I love doing them rooms. Those room- those rooms like... The rooms like that, they challenge you because it's take you out, like you say, your comfort zone.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 42:07 You know, I've been blessed enough lately to... When I go do my comedy shows and people buy a ticket for me, it's usually some good people, but every once, s- once in a while, I wanna go in the trench- I wanna go in the hoodest spot ever and see if I still got it.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Yeah, there's... You know that expression, "Don't forget what got you to the dance"?

Donnell Rawlings 42:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah, I mean, that's it. It's like what made you a great comic in the first place, is, is being tested like that.

Donnell Rawlings 42:31 Defining moments.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 42:32 Motherfuckers do not wanna deal with a defining moment.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 42:34 Motherfuckers don't wanna deal with that moment where you did 45 minutes, you gassed out, and you get that stretch sign. They say, "Stretch, we don't have the checks up, whatever, we need you to do another 15 minutes." That tests your skill.

Joe Rogan 42:47 (sighs)

Donnell Rawlings 42:47 A defining moment when you working at... What is that dome we did?

Joe Rogan 42:51 ... Tacoma Dome.

Donnell Rawlings 42:51 Tacoma Dome. And motherfucking Joe Rogan just comes and just bazooka torches the whole motherfucking arena and shit.

Joe Rogan 42:59 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 43:00 I never said... I don't know if I've ever shared that story, but that fucking day was so dope for me when we did that, because that fucking place was fire. And I know that was your crowd, your energy, like, like, "Joe! Joe! Joe!" And just to be in that room, I remember when you was on stage, and I was kinda getting my head together. I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna get my shit ready." And you got a laugh, right? It was like a (imitates loud laugh) . And I was like, "Oh, shit, I'm about to go on." I thought it was like you saying goodnight, and it was a segue into another joke.

Joe Rogan 43:35 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 43:36 I immediately smoked a cigarette.

Joe Rogan 43:38 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 43:38 A whole cigarette in one. I was like, "Oh, you better do some pushups, motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 43:43 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 43:43 Because this shit ain't gonna be easy, son. But that was a fucking... That was a, that was a great moment, man.

Joe Rogan 43:48 It was a great moment.

Donnell Rawlings 43:48 It was a good time.

Joe Rogan 43:49 It was a lot of fun, man.

Donnell Rawlings 43:50 That was electric. I'd never been... It felt like I was at a, um, at fucking one of them UC- UFC fights and shit, man.

Joe Rogan 43:55 It was so many people. There's 25,000 people in that place. And Dave is about to go on stage and he looked at me and he goes, "Not a whole lot of motherfuckers get to do shit like this." (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 44:03 Not at all, bro. Just the way that whole night went. And I... We, we were right behind him, like the, the, the night was just... Like, it's something when you say, "Okay, it just... It's a level, then it's another level, then it's another level, then it's another level." And then when he came out, man, it felt like... When we walked, it felt like we was walking, um, Tyson-

Joe Rogan 44:21 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 44:21 ... into the ring.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 44:23 That song, If you know, you know. That, um, Pusha T song. And it was just like, that night was like, I mean, pandemonium, bro.

Joe Rogan 44:30 Yeah, it was amazing.

Donnell Rawlings 44:31 And those nights, the funny thing about it, people see that, and they see you in, in front of 24,000, 25,000 people. But what people don't understand is those, those... All those nights stacked up of doing 15 minutes here, working out this shit. 'Cause people see you do these arenas, these amphitheaters, they don't know that you in the trenches.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Always.

Donnell Rawlings 44:55 You know what I'm saying? Always.

Joe Rogan 44:56 It never stopped.

Donnell Rawlings 44:56 I'm like, "Damn, don't this nigga got enough money right now?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:59 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 44:59 I was like, "Wait a minute."

Joe Rogan 45:00 I hate bombing.

Donnell Rawlings 45:01 It's not about the money, and it's all about... It's just something very addictive about constantly training to be prepared for anything and to be better. My lady's sometimes like, "You going out? You, you going out tonight?" I don't know if women understand. They call it going out, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:19 Right, right.

Donnell Rawlings 45:19 I don't call it... I'm like, "No, I'm-"

Joe Rogan 45:20 Working.

Donnell Rawlings 45:20 "I'm, I'm gonna work out." And even if I'm... If I... If it's a set I'm working on and I do the same thing, it's just something that's just such a rush about going on stage. Even if you find something small, a small tag-

Joe Rogan 45:36 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 45:36 ... 'cause the joke never ends, you just stop telling it.

Joe Rogan 45:38 Never. Yep, yep.

Donnell Rawlings 45:39 It never ends, you stop telling it. Some people are like, "Yo, where'd you get that from?" 'Cause, you know, the, the comedy's, comedian's mindset, people are like, "Write that down, write that down." We don't always write it down. Just thinking about how dope we would be if we wrote everything down. But it goes to a hard drive. It goes to a hard drive. And you might have thought of something funny, like this year, then next year... You might have never talked about it, then next year, something will happen and then it'll come up from that hard drive.

Joe Rogan 46:03 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 46:03 And boom, you got a banging ass fucking bit.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah, you never know. And you... If you don't go on stage, you won't... That won't blossom.

Donnell Rawlings 46:09 It never...

Joe Rogan 46:09 You gotta water those seeds.

Donnell Rawlings 46:10 I was in, um... I was in fucking, um, uh, Pleasanton. Pleasanton, California over the weekend at the, uh, Tommy T's. And there's this young, young guy. He's a fan of yours. He wants to do comedy and, and I know his mom. About four years, I put him on stage and he didn't really do well the first time he went on stage, right? And then... I appreciate that. And then, like, he tells me he wants to do comedy, right? "He tell me you want to do comedy." I was like, "Okay. Do a guest spot."

Joe Rogan 46:41 Wow.

Donnell Rawlings 46:42 He said, "Abida, abida, abida."

Joe Rogan 46:44 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 46:44 I call it the abida, abida. That's how you test a motherfucker. They be like, "Yeah, I want to do this and I've been writing, I've been working on my material and everything." "Okay, go on. Abida, abida." "No, I gotta wait because I got to..." "No, motherfucker, you don't gotta wait." And I told him, I like the kid a lot. I said, "I'm a comedian, comedian." "Don't talk to me about comedy no fucking more."

Joe Rogan 47:02 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 47:03 Because that's the opportunity.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Go do it.

Donnell Rawlings 47:05 Go do it right now.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 47:07 And then he still was abida, abida. And I told him, I was like, "Maybe this is not for you." He said, "Well, you know what? Maybe I needed this talk." I was like, "You don't need to talk for me, motherfucker. You need to talk with yourself. Either you're gonna do it or you're not gonna do it."

Joe Rogan 47:18 He'd never been on stage before ever?

Donnell Rawlings 47:20 No, he'd been on before.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 47:21 He plays around with it every once in a while.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 47:23 But it was a... it was a filled room. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 47:26 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 47:26 And it just... You know, I just don't know how things... something could be that intimidating. I don't know how you could want to be a comic. You want to be a comic, but you don't want to do the most important thing a comic has to do and go on stage.

Joe Rogan 47:40 It's scary for people, especially if it's a packed crowd. They know they're there to see you, so they're there to see the pro and they know their material is kind of whack. They know it sucks.

Donnell Rawlings 47:50 Yeah, but you still...

Joe Rogan 47:51 You should try it. I mean, how much time was he gonna do? Five minutes?

Donnell Rawlings 47:56 Five.

Joe Rogan 47:57 Yeah, that's nothing. Just go up there and do it.

Donnell Rawlings 47:59 Oh, God. Hold on.

Joe Rogan 48:00 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 48:01 You take... (coughing)

Joe Rogan 48:06 That's that Kevin Smith weed.

Donnell Rawlings 48:08 Oh, that's my dawg... That's the, um, from the movie Jay and Silent Bob?

Joe Rogan 48:12 Yeah, this is Jay and Silent Bob Weed.

Donnell Rawlings 48:13 With the, um, with the, uh, with the cartoon on the inside of it?

Joe Rogan 48:17 Yeah.

Narrator 48:17 Smooshy Booshies.

Donnell Rawlings 48:18 Yeah, I had that. I went to the premiere. I was in that film. I went to the fucking premiere. I know exactly-

Joe Rogan 48:23 I love that dude.

Donnell Rawlings 48:24 Yeah, he's so dope, man.

Joe Rogan 48:25 He's a great guy.

Donnell Rawlings 48:26 He is the best, man. He's the... I worked with him on something a couple years ago and he said he was a fan of mine and he keeps fucking calling me for projects, but he's so fucking cool. When we were doing... 'Cause people have been, um... When we... We did this show called Hollyweed, right? We played, uh... We were... We owned a dispensary in Hollywood. It was a funny ass, um, pilot and it was part of this, uh, Rivet TV. They had this process where a lot of... You know, you... Some people do pilots that never get green lit.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 48:56 They play the pilot and then you, you pledge.... if you wanna get to probably the, the green light.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 49:02 The company fell apart. The fucking, um, the show did well. We got Snoop Dogg retweeted it. People were enjoying it. And, um, and it just, it just stopped. We just stopped it, but he was so fucking cool. And we did Halloweed, when he sat down and talked to me, he said, "Donnell, I'm at a point in my life, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm not gonna do anything unless it's fun and it's what I wanna do."

Joe Rogan 49:31 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 49:32 And that joint was supposed to be... We didn't get it popping, but it was, it was a good time, man. And he p- and he threw me up in, um, Jay and Silent Bob Reboot. Shout out to Kevin Smith.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Did you know him pre-weed?

Donnell Rawlings 49:42 I knew of him pre-weed.

Joe Rogan 49:44 I met him pre-weed.

Donnell Rawlings 49:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:46 And then, uh, the second or third time we hung out, he started smoking weed.

Donnell Rawlings 49:50 Really?

Joe Rogan 49:50 And I was like, "What's going on?" (laughs) Like, what happened?

Donnell Rawlings 49:53 (laughs) Y- wha- was that after he had the heart attack? Or be-

Joe Rogan 49:55 No, no, no, no, way before.

Donnell Rawlings 49:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 He just went hard with weed, like outta nowhere. He was like no weed and then all weed. And, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 50:05 Yeah, but c- creative people can get alw- and I know his strain is like a hybrid sativa strand.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah, but it was just interesting to know him before-

Donnell Rawlings 50:13 Yeah, good.

Joe Rogan 50:13 ... when he wasn't smoking and then, I mean, he's just... He's all day high. I'm good. Just put it in there. He's all day high.

Donnell Rawlings 50:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:20 He's one of those dudes. He's one of those, like, Wiz Khalifa-type dudes. Those, uh...

Donnell Rawlings 50:25 And d- and then just f- just started pounding out, writing shit.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Yeah, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 50:28 I used to go up to his fucking crib. When we were, when we were working on Halloweed, we got up to three other, uh, scripts, and I would just go up there and just chill, and I'm like, "I can't believe I'm chilling with Kevin Smith-"

Joe Rogan 50:38 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 50:38 "... smoking a joint, and we're just talking and the motherfucking... and the goddamn keyboard is just going crazy."

Joe Rogan 50:44 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 50:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Yeah, he's a genuine person, very, very good person.

Donnell Rawlings 50:49 Yep. And then, shit, man, he set off, he did things nobody ever d-... I mean, just to, to create a brand that could last for fucking 20, 25 years.

Joe Rogan 51:01 As an independent filmmaker, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 51:02 Independent f- like, like a-

Joe Rogan 51:03 Did you ever see that movie Red State that he did?

Donnell Rawlings 51:05 I didn't do it.

Joe Rogan 51:06 S- did you ever see it? It was one of his best movies. It was weird, man. It was so strange because, uh, he didn't tell me anything about it. He's like, "I just want you to see it." So, uh, we sat down, and we watched it, and it was a horror movie. It's like, it's a horror s- suspense thriller movie. It's not funny at all. He doesn't try to be funny at all.

Donnell Rawlings 51:25 But did he p- tell you that it w- did he-

Joe Rogan 51:27 He didn't tell me shit.

Donnell Rawlings 51:28 Uh.

Joe Rogan 51:28 He d- literally didn't tell me anything, but I'm assuming... It's a Kevin Smith movie. I'm assuming it's gonna be fun. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 51:33 But you know what? They've got... I mean, people like that, you know, somewhere dep- deep down inside, they're like, "I wanna do something fucking different-"

Joe Rogan 51:39 Right, right, right.

Donnell Rawlings 51:40 "... from what people know me from."

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 51:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 51:42 (clears throat) Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Donnell Rawlings 51:44 But once you get into something, you get into a groov- groove and you get in a brand and you're known for something you make money off o- it, why would you... You know, a lot of times, why would you roll the dice?

Joe Rogan 51:52 I think he's just a creative guy. He just likes doing a thing, like he had this thought in his head to do this kinda movie. You know who else did that? Bobcat Goldthwait. He made a Bigfoot movie, man, like a scary-ass Blair Witch-

Donnell Rawlings 52:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 52:05 ... Bigfoot movie. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 52:06 Do you know Bo- you know the history with him?

Joe Rogan 52:09 The history with him?

Donnell Rawlings 52:10 Bobcat?

Joe Rogan 52:11 Wha- in what way?

Donnell Rawlings 52:12 With The Chappelle Show?

Joe Rogan 52:14 No, I don't.

Donnell Rawlings 52:15 He was the first director-

Joe Rogan 52:16 Oh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 52:16 ... of the first season of The Chappelle Show.

Joe Rogan 52:18 When I did New York Boobs, I ran into him.

Donnell Rawlings 52:21 He was at... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:21 I ran into him and Dave.

Donnell Rawlings 52:22 And then when you... It's so weird 'cause you know him as (imitates Chappelle)

Joe Rogan 52:26 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 52:26 ... crazy dude, right? And just to see his demeanor away from that, you're just waiting for him to have an outburst, but Bobcat-

Joe Rogan 52:32 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 52:32 ... was the first season director of Chappelle Show.

Joe Rogan 52:36 He's a very thoughtful guy. I like him a lot.

Donnell Rawlings 52:39 And, and the funny thing with him, with me, he wa- uh, he, he liked me, but he said my name wrong every time he said something about me.

Joe Rogan 52:47 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 52:47 He said, "Where is Darrell? Where is Dante?"

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 52:50 "Yo, where, where is Daniel?"

Joe Rogan 52:52 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 52:52 "What's Doodle?" I was like... After-

Joe Rogan 52:54 Ugh.

Donnell Rawlings 52:54 ... the fourth one, I was like, "This gotta be racist, right?"

Joe Rogan 52:57 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 52:57 He just named... Everything with a D, that was my name, but he was the, um, he was the first director of The, of Chappelle Show before run- um, Rusty Condiff, um, took over.

Joe Rogan 53:07 What is that movie he made, Jamie? What is it called again?

Narrator 53:11 I would have to look that one up.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Willow Creek? Is it Willow Creek?

Narrator 53:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yeah, I think it's Willow Creek. It's fucking good, man.

Donnell Rawlings 53:16 I gotta check it out.

Joe Rogan 53:17 He's obsessed with Bigfoot. Bobcat believes in Bigfoot, like-

Donnell Rawlings 53:20 Really?

Joe Rogan 53:21 ... h- all in, I think, or it's like a long-running joke.

Donnell Rawlings 53:22 It's like a documentary-type s- film?

Joe Rogan 53:25 He's so smart, it might be a scam. The... I think he's, I think he's telling the truth, though. I think he really is obsessed with Bigfoot.

Donnell Rawlings 53:30 I knew he was a good actor when, I knew he was a good actor when I talked to him and him not being a character from, um, Police Academy.

Joe Rogan 53:37 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 53:38 'Cause that ch- you know, not too many characters you ever see that when you see their face, you wanna hear a certain voice.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 53:44 Anything else-

Narrator 53:45 (screaming)

Donnell Rawlings 53:46 ... is disappointing.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yeah. He had a hard time with that when he started doing standup.

Donnell Rawlings 53:49 Really?

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yeah, 'cause he started doing standup again. You know, he had done i- i- that Bobcat character forever, and then he started directing stuff. And remember he, he lit, uh, Jay Leno's couch on fire? (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 54:00 Oh, what, on one of the episode, uh, of a show?

Joe Rogan 54:02 He was... He was on The Tonight Show. He lit the fucking couch on fire, just-

Donnell Rawlings 54:05 Yo, he used to fucking-

Joe Rogan 54:05 ... for whatever reason. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 54:06 Man, he used to do interviews and just blaze it.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yeah, he was crazy.

Donnell Rawlings 54:10 I never seen anybody... The only p- person... Um, Robin Williams used to do interviews like that.

Joe Rogan 54:16 Right. Yeah, Bobcat, so he was a wild man, but he's a s- thoughtful person, like when you, you actually talk to him. Like, he'll ex-... I mean, he's got sort of an explanation that makes sense. (laughs) He just wanted to be a little wild.

Donnell Rawlings 54:30 And he did it.

Joe Rogan 54:30 And he didn't realize what a big deal it was gonna be. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 54:33 'Cause he murdered it.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 54:35 Yeah, he murdered that.

Joe Rogan 54:36 But he's, um, he does a lot of different shit. When he was doing standup again, he wanted to just be himself, and there was a time where they were... they wanted him to do this, "Ah!"

Donnell Rawlings 54:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 They wanted that Bobcat character.

Donnell Rawlings 54:48 That's a tough thing to pull away from, especially if it's like, you know, if it's how you're paying your bills, you know what I mean? Like...

Joe Rogan 54:54 Oh, for sure.

Donnell Rawlings 54:55 You, it's like, "We... Who we gonna get? The crazy dude?" That's gotta be a tough... A lot of people can't, um, pull theirself out of it, and a lot of people can't reinvent themself like that.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Right. Like, if you're Gallagher-... like, everybody expects fruit if you say, "I'm just gonna talk now."

Donnell Rawlings 55:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:09 People are like, "Come on, bro. But we wanted to talk in the fruit." Right?

Donnell Rawlings 55:13 Yo, when... People like that have weird, weird crazy fetishes and shit, bro.

Joe Rogan 55:18 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 55:18 It's like he fucks with watermelons and then he likes (laughs) looking at naked goats and shit.

Joe Rogan 55:23 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 55:23 Something, something, something crazy if you that wild. But Gallagher, you gonna see Gallagher... Anytime you see Gallagher, you gonna think watermelon for the rest of your life.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah. You're gonna think sledgehammer, you're gonna think everybody's covered in plastic, remember?

Donnell Rawlings 55:36 I remember that. When we-

Joe Rogan 55:37 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 55:38 ... that, that, when I... I, I hate to keep... but you just said it. When, when I was with Chappelle's Show and I used to pitch ideas, and, um, they used to just throw my ideas, like, pop, "Get that shit outta here."

Joe Rogan 55:50 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 55:50 Neal used to... I used to pitch ideas, "Yeah, and then a guy gonna come down, then a dude will come, and then somebody gonna have a hat on, right? They gonna come and they gonna shoot him and then..." He used to be like this, pop. He used to smack that shit outta there. He was like, "Do that sh- shit 10 years ago, son," like my shit was so dated. And I couldn't think of anything. One day, I was watching Comedy Central and Gallagher was on, and for some reason, Gallagher looked like Dave Chappelle to me and I was thinking... 'cause Dave likes skateboards and shit, I could see him in skates. And I just said... and I... of course, I was smoking a joint, I said, "What if Gallagher was black?" I was like, "What if Gallagher was black?"

Joe Rogan 56:26 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 56:26 I just said, "What if Gallagher was black?" That was my pitch line.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Oh, my God.

Donnell Rawlings 56:32 I said, "What..." Look, I said, "What if Gallagher was black," right? And then I called Neal Brennan and I said, "I got a idea." He said, "What, son?" I said, "Black Gallagher," and bam.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Wow, I forgot about this character.

Donnell Rawlings 56:48 Yep, Black Gallagher.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Dude, you were on, without a doubt, the greatest sketch show in the history of the world. I mean, it lasted only a little while, but those are the, the classic sketches. There's some great sketches. It doesn't put anybody's down. I mean, obviously, Saturday Night Live's been around forever. They had a lot of great sketches, but it's hard to beat the black KKK dude.

Donnell Rawlings 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:11 It's hard to beat that sketch.

Donnell Rawlings 57:12 It's like-

Joe Rogan 57:13 It's hard to beat that-

Donnell Rawlings 57:13 I don't even know what th-

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... like, as an all-time sketch.

Donnell Rawlings 57:16 I don't even know what thought process you gotta have to even... Yeah, that was-

Joe Rogan 57:20 When that sketch is going on, you're, you're watching it going...

Donnell Rawlings 57:24 Yo-

Joe Rogan 57:25 All right.

Donnell Rawlings 57:25 It...

Joe Rogan 57:25 Whoa. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:27 It felt like... When that sketch dropped-

Joe Rogan 57:29 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:29 Bro, when that sketch dropped, when that sketch-

Joe Rogan 57:31 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 57:32 When that, when that sketch dropped, I was like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 57:36 Dude.

Donnell Rawlings 57:37 It was just like, "What are we talking about?"

Joe Rogan 57:39 It's like one of the funniest things that's ever been captured on film when Neal's head explodes. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:44 Yo, pow. They wanted to see your face.

Joe Rogan 57:46 What a great idea, too. It's just such a great idea.

Donnell Rawlings 57:49 It was-

Joe Rogan 57:50 A blind black KKK member. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:54 And he just running around-

Joe Rogan 57:55 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:55 ... thinking he's fucking white as shit.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 57:58 And that shit still stays in fucking pop culture. It's just one of those things. It's gonna be a Clayton Bigs- Bixby forever.

Joe Rogan 58:05 Forever. There's a bunch of those.

Donnell Rawlings 58:08 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 58:08 There's Rick James. One, it's one of the greatest sketches of all time.

Donnell Rawlings 58:12 I remember when we were, um... when we were doing the wrap-arounds, when you show the sketch to the audience, and, um, they played the Rick James sketch, and every time we played it, the room just exploded.

Joe Rogan 58:27 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 58:27 I mean, just exploded like wow.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Oh, my God.

Donnell Rawlings 58:30 Yeah. It was, it was... You knew something different. You never... Nobody... No one ever knew that it would go to the extent that it went, but you just knew something was big in that moment.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Dude, there was a moment where, like, people would just yell out, "I'm rich, bitch." They would just yell it out in shows. People would just yell it out.

Donnell Rawlings 58:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Like, they just kept yelling it out. "I'm rich, bitch." There was, like, something s-

Donnell Rawlings 58:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... they wanted to say.

Donnell Rawlings 58:55 They had to say it.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Dude, that show had an impact, a crazy impact if you really stop and think about it.

Donnell Rawlings 59:02 It did.

Joe Rogan 59:03 It's amazing that someone f- somehow or another, through whatever, didn't keep that going. Like, I don't know what happened.

Donnell Rawlings 59:12 I don't either.

Joe Rogan 59:13 But Goddamn, how do you not keep that going? Just back off.

Donnell Rawlings 59:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Just back off from filming and just let them do it. What happened here? (laughs) How did you fuck that up?

Donnell Rawlings 59:24 Let's just get it.

Joe Rogan 59:25 How did you, how did you fuck that up?

Donnell Rawlings 59:26 That's how I felt when he did SNL a couple years ago. You know, I was like, it's like that show has passed. There's been a lot of... Everybody's doing different things. You know what I mean? But the show was so... The show was just so iconic, it's hard to forget about it. But it was like, um... If w- if w-... When we did SNL, when he did the, uh, Walking Dead s- spoof.

Joe Rogan 59:47 (clears throat)

Donnell Rawlings 59:49 When he did... Jamie, did you see that sketch? He did the, uh, Walking... He did a spoof for The Walking Dead.

Joe Rogan 59:55 I didn't see this.

Donnell Rawlings 59:57 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 59:58 And this is a recent thing?

Donnell Rawlings 59:59 Oh, this was SNL. He won an Emmy for this. This was SNL, like, um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 God, how did I not see this?

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:03 ... two years ago when... This scene right here, man, I was saying to myself, "This shit is cr-" Like, 'cause I hadn't seen him perform as a character actor since Chappelle's Show.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:17 And he fucking bodied this. The beginning of this shit is ridiculous. It was funny as shit. That won a Emmy for, like, they have... You know they have the little special category, like, a special... like, a comedy special? Not the, not the premiere, um, Emmys, but the one... You know the ones I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Mm-hmm. Yeah. That, that's a crazy scene to spoof too, right? That was a terr- Remember that scene?

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:42 That's the s- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 In The Walking Dead?

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:44 But he did it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 That's, like, one of the most brutal scenes in all of television.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 If you really stop and think about it. Like, I couldn't believe what they showed, like, when they-

Narrator 1:00:55 Is the first episode out too of, like, the season, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Right. I think so.

Narrator 1:00:58 They killed off two or three people.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 The, the one dude who they... What was his name? The, uh-

Narrator 1:01:03 Glenn.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Glenn, that they kept hitting in the head and you could see his eyeball pop out. I'm like, "What are we doing here?"

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:06 See, I watched that gory shit. I can't-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Guys-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:08 ... fuck with that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 I didn't fuck with it after that. I was like, "I can't..."

Narrator 1:01:11 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:11 I didn't even know-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 ... I don't wanna do this.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:11 ... it was existing to this.Yeah, but he made that shit funny. That was some funny shit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:16 And there, if it was any glimpse of what would be, "Oh man, he killed that, brought that back." It was...

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Well, you know, I mean, again, when you talk about all-time sketches.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:27 Shit. It was fun, man. And-

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 How many, how many episodes did it do all total?

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:33 I don't know. What would, what would two and a half years be? I don't know. I would say probably 50 episodes maybe? Not... If, if that. 50.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Wow, was it that many?

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:48 It was a lot. And another part, not even the sketches, the music that... The music-

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:54 ... that would be a fucking dope-ass fucking show just to show the guests.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:00 Kanye, young Kanye, Common-

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:03 ... Erykah Badu. Everybody used to stop through.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 What a crazy fucking show.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:10 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Do you think he's happier doing that or he's happier doing standup?

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:15 I think standup. You know. He shares a similar personality, this, this... Similar personality that you share, that I share, that Joey Diaz share that wanna be on stage, wanna perform as a standup.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:28 You know what I mean? Like, I don't think... I can't speak for him but I don't think it's im- I don't think it's important for him to be on TV. I think it's important for him to be the best comedian he could be.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:40 You know? You know? You know how you feel when you think you walk, working at the top of your game? You just hope everybody acknowledges it at the same time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 I think also, too, you know, he did it and now, you know, now he doesn't have anybody to answer to. You know, he did it, the show's done, he did it.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Still, in my opinion, I think it's the greatest sketch comedy show of all time.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:04 And then to do the things like... It's hard not to talk about him because, you know, he's what some people consider the greatest to ever do it. You know what I'm saying? Then you have a relationship with that person, you know, you're not exploiting it but it's just interesting, you know. Like, I've, I've seen his career go to the point where... And this is why I say, uh, the, the last special he did, Sticks and Stones, was so important for comedy because critics and a couple of people who were dictating the tone of comedy had people second guess, some people second guessing themselves.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:38 You know what I mean? I've heard, I was hearing comedians like, "Oh, I wanna say this but I don't feel comfortable." I'm like, "What the fuck is happening? You gotta say what you wanna say."

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:45 You know. And there was a, um, there was a comic, I won't mention their name but they wrote a critical article about Dave in Sticks and Stones. And the thing that I found interesting was that they wrote a crit- they were a comedian writing a critical article, which is all fucked up right out the gate. And I feel if you, as a comedian, if you don't know what specials, uh, like Sticks and Stones special and like what Bill Burr special, what they do for the voice of comedy is saying, "This is what we do, that's it, stop."

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Yeah.