Joe Rogan Experience #1382 - RZA & Donnell Rawlings

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom. Okay. So, now…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Boom. Okay. So, now that I'm the producer of the Donnell Rawlings Podcast-

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings0:06

      We already established that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      ... we established that.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings0:08

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      We've taken off the RZA.

   6. RZRZA0:10

      Yeah. I-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Sir, thank you for being here.

   8. RZRZA0:11

      Thank you. I'm gonna give him a, a beat-

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings0:14

      Man!

   10. RZRZA0:15

       ... as is, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:15

       He's gonna be, uh-

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings0:16

       Yo.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       ... you're gonna have music.

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings0:17

       I'm, I'm... Yo, this-

   15. RZRZA0:19

       It gon' be hip-hop.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       From Hip Hop Royalty.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings0:19

       Yo. First off, I... When you said that, I'm saying, I got a button down too. Don't just assume it's all hip-hop.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs)

   19. RZRZA0:26

       Man.

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings0:26

       You s- that, that was insulting. You know, not hip-hop. I would love any genre if you have a vision, or you see, or even connected to this at all, whatever you feel, I fucking gotta feel it.

   21. RZRZA0:37

       Bonga, bonga.

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings0:37

       And I'll make it work.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       W- I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one.

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings0:42

       I figured-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I like when Bill Burr did a podcast doing that. He basically-

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings0:44

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... did like, these little video things doing that. But Driving with Donnell is a great idea. Or even just you... Don't limit it. Do whatever the fuck you want.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings0:51

       I'ma do-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       One day you wanna drive, drive.

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings0:53

       ... I s-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Hmm. …

   1. RZRZA15:00

      could take their keyboard, their drum machine, their laptop, and just create.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Hmm.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings15:04

      And on their phone, too, yeah.

   4. RZRZA15:05

      Yeah, and on their phone, and just create the beat, right? And so now, that beat has no, uh, historical reference to it in the sense of, "Oh, that was a James Brown sample."

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Mm.

   6. RZRZA15:14

      "That was a Marvin Gaye sample." No. This, just... that's just th- that kid who, whether he did Fruity Loops and threw some chord progressions together, or whether he sat there on his garage band on his phone and, and, and hit the guitar program (laughs) that comes with it-

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings15:26

      Right.

   8. RZRZA15:27

      ... or whatever, the creativity of it is now having this form of originality, right?

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings15:32

      Right.

   10. RZRZA15:33

       Now, of course, once something like that happens, there's a formula. So we keep hearing that same formula exist right now.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings15:39

       Right.

   12. RZRZA15:39

       But I think one of the greatest evolution of hip-hop, right? Is... and, and, and, as ev-... I'm gonna use the word evolution loosely, because when I think about the Cold Crush brothers and the Force MDs, they did this anyway in the beginning. But hip-hop has become more melodic now than it did in the '90s and the early 2000s, right? So what I mean by that, you know, rappers now, you know, you know, "I'm just OD-ing. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, la, di." Like, it's-

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings16:11

       Right.

   14. RZRZA16:11

       ... it's all melody, it's all-

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings16:12

       Right.

   16. RZRZA16:13

       ... you know, it's all chanting, right? Uh, it has the reggae chant vibe to it. When we was doing it, "I smoke on the mic like Smoke and Joe Frazier, the L laser."

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings16:22

       Right.

   18. RZRZA16:22

       It was all aggressive chop rap, you know what I mean?

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings16:24

       Right.

   20. RZRZA16:24

       So, so to see that it, it evolves to this melodic form, and then you look at Kanye. He's now took it to gospel.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings16:32

       It's melodic as hell right now.

   22. RZRZA16:34

       Snoop took it to the Snoop Lion.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Yeah.

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings16:36

       But Snoop Lion, he was... Snoop was really successful. The Snoop Lion thing didn't... wasn't as successful, but the one he won, the al-... gospel album, I think he was getting awards and nominated and, like, and stayed on top of Billboard for a while.

   25. RZRZA16:48

       Yeah.

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings16:49

       Yeah.

   27. RZRZA16:49

       And now Kanye is, is, is in that world. So, so it's evolving, right? And-

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings16:53

       But church even different now. You got fucking pussy-eating preachers now.

   29. RZRZA16:57

       What do you... what you mean now?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       What?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings30:00

      but you, I know, but I never said I wouldn't love it, son.

   2. RZRZA30:02

      Yeah.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings30:02

      I'm not mad at your diet, man.

   4. RZRZA30:04

      Yeah.

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings30:04

      Only thing I'm saying is, you know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Oh.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings30:06

      ... I don't know a lot of ve-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Yeah, this is something that you would eat right?

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings30:07

      I need to know more vegans.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       F-bombs, you would eat one of those, right?

   11. RZRZA30:11

       What's this? Uh, the weed joint?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       It's nut butter. No.

   13. RZRZA30:13

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       It's just nut butter.

   15. RZRZA30:14

       Nut bu-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       Yeah. I don't like how that- I know. I don't like how that sounds.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings30:17

       I told you, son. I told you, son.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       (laughs)

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings30:19

       I told you, son.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       We gotta, we gotta rename this one.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings30:21

       Yo, I told... Yo, that's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       It's F-Bomb.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings30:22

       ... that's the first thing I said, y'all.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Fat, Fat Bomb.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings30:24

       That you can't lead in with nut- you can't lead in with nut- nut...

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Healthy oils.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings30:29

       You can't lead in with nut, son.

   28. RZRZA30:30

       Nice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Yeah, nuts. Cool. I, I- Crunched up nuts. Can I say crunched up nuts? Is that all right?

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings30:34

       Yeah, you can.
4. 45:00 – 59:34

   (laughs) Well, that's what…

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings45:00

      bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      (laughs) Well, that's what peanut butter and jelly does for you.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings45:04

      You get that all-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      If you have, like, Skippy or if you have, like, one of the real delicious peanut butters and some, uh, grape jelly-

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings45:08

      This is the, what, what you just said.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      That's a lot of sugar.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings45:09

      You said, listen to what you just said, "Those delicious peanut butters." Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Yeah. Well, inse- instead of organic ones, the ones you have to stir yourself, those are good. They're good for you. They're much better for you 'cause they don't have any sugar added to them, but everybody loves, like, Jif or Skippy.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings45:22

      But the whole thing about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       That shit tastes good, with Wonder Bread.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings45:26

       ... everybody had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

   12. RZRZA45:28

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Yeah.

   14. RZRZA45:28

       I mean, yeah, that's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Yeah.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings45:29

       Everybody had a ... I hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

   17. RZRZA45:31

       (gasps) You hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings45:33

       I wanted bologna and cheese, son.

   19. RZRZA45:34

       Oh, you wanted the real-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Do you know how much sugar-

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings45:36

       I wanted bologna and cheese.

   22. RZRZA45:36

       You want some weight on there.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings45:37

       I wanted weight on. I wanted bologna, cheese, mayonnaise. I wanted the white bread.

   24. RZRZA45:40

       Mm-hmm.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings45:41

       I want you to do it horizontally-

   26. RZRZA45:42

       Cut it, cut it-

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings45:43

       ... then cut it.

   28. RZRZA45:43

       Which way? The triangle?

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings45:43

       I want to put it in the triangle, put it in aluminum foil, and then on that field trip on the bus, I wanted to get that goddamn bus heat to melt it up a little bit.

   30. RZRZA45:51

       Ah, shit.

Episode duration: 2:20:58