Joe Rogan Experience #1387 - Josh Homme

1. 0:00 – 1:56

   Motorcycling in LA: danger, zen focus, and better music

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Boom. Did you roll in on a motorcycle?

   2. JHJosh Homme0:05

      I did.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      You're a fucking animal.

   4. JHJosh Homme0:07

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      In this day and age, in LA traffic?

   6. JHJosh Homme0:09

      But, uh, d- there's a, there's a bit of a zen thing happening because if you don't pay attention, you could die, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Oh, right.

   8. JHJosh Homme0:17

      You know, I, and I, I find myself trying to have this field of view. And plus, you can't be on the phone.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Right.

   10. JHJosh Homme0:25

       Because, uh, I think sometimes when it's, when you drive a car, you forget to take the moment to do nothing-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Right.

   12. JHJosh Homme0:30

       ... and just sort of be for a second.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah.

   14. JHJosh Homme0:32

       Uh, and you can listen to tunes, and it makes all the songs better. Like, I, I don't know if I fully appreciated Judas Priest until I rode a motorcycle and could listen to music, like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       So, you listen, like, in your head? Like, you have it in, uh, your, your-

   16. JHJosh Homme0:46

       No, that, that one has a ... I, I, I'm, I have the luxury of having a couple of them, and ... But that one's almost like the grandpa bike for going to the movies, but-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       But is it its speakers, or is it in the helmet?

   18. JHJosh Homme0:54

       It's speakers.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Oh.

   20. JHJosh Homme0:55

       I, I don't do the helmet 'cause there's so much of that in my life anyways.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Oh.

   22. JHJosh Homme0:58

       Like, pointblank range.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.

   24. JHJosh Homme1:00

       (laughs) And so it's, it's almost like you kinda end up rocking your head like that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah.

   26. JHJosh Homme1:05

       And you're like, << Breaking the law >>

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       (laughs)

   28. JHJosh Homme1:07

       It, it, it sort of, like, flips your Beavis switch. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       (laughs)

   30. JHJosh Homme1:13

       And, and it feels wonderful. Like, the, the wind in your hair.
2. 1:56 – 3:23

   Lane-splitting aggression and the psychology of petty sabotage

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      The, the thing that freaks me out, though, is the lane splitting. Like, some, some people are just not paying attention, and some people are just trying-

   2. JHJosh Homme2:02

      Some people are.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      ... to go fast.

   4. JHJosh Homme2:04

      And they're like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      Yeah.

   6. JHJosh Homme2:05

      The ... Some people work out their, their kinky anger on you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Oh, on the bike, you mean?

   8. JHJosh Homme2:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      Or the car?

   10. JHJosh Homme2:10

       Like, someone's like, "No way."

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:12

       Oh, geez.

   12. JHJosh Homme2:12

       "If I'm stuck in this, you're stuck in this."

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       That is fucking weird, man. That thing's weird.

   14. JHJosh Homme2:17

       Well-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Their kind of anger against motorcycles, like, that they can, they can get ahead, and you can't.

   16. JHJosh Homme2:22

       Just I- it's, it's beyond motorcycles, you know? It's that angriness of, like, their, their emotional bank accounts are, are low in that moment.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JHJosh Homme2:32

       And they're like, "How about you?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Yeah.

   20. JHJosh Homme2:34

       "You can have that too." It's like all sharing the wrong shit, I think.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Yeah.

   22. JHJosh Homme2:38

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       That's, I think it's people that don't feel like there's a way out of the life they're in too. There's no, there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

   24. JHJosh Homme2:44

       Yeah, the Missouri Loves company-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. JHJosh Homme2:46

       ... where it's just like, "Welcome to the Missouri Loves company. Sit down." And it just, like, it's just ... I don't know. I've, uh, so much has hap- been happening for me lately, and I just ... You have those things, when they click, and you, and then you can't unknow them-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JHJosh Homme3:02

       ... once you've learned something.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Yeah.

   30. JHJosh Homme3:04

       And it's like, I see how that is just really attempting to elevate your own situation by bringing someone down-
3. 3:23 – 5:04

   What school doesn’t teach: emotions, ethics, and human stories in history

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      It's definitely the wrong way, and nope, that's one of the weird things about being a kid, right? Like, nobody really tells you how to think. Nobody really teaches you how to approach sit- situations in life and what's gonna help you and what's not gonna help you at all.

   2. JHJosh Homme3:34

      No, but you learn some funky stuff instead.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      Yeah.

   4. JHJosh Homme3:37

      You, you know what I mean? And even when you're learning the history of someone, it seems like they don't tell you how they've wrestled with that emotion to do the right thing.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JHJosh Homme3:47

      Or, or find a way to just accept something. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      Right.

   8. JHJosh Homme3:53

      And, like, how did they get to accept that this was their decision that they had to make?

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      Right.

   10. JHJosh Homme3:58

       I don't know. There's not, there's not much, uh, there's not many guideposts for how to treat yourself and other people. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       (laughs)

   12. JHJosh Homme4:06

       But there's, like, k- there's, there's all sorts of math and stuff like that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Yeah, but even history, right? There's a lot of facts. This happened then. That happ- this is the date that this took place. But the actual accounts from the human beings ... And even if you read it, it's like, I wanna see the person say it, you know? I almost, it's almost-

   14. JHJosh Homme4:22

       That's why the Ken Burns version of all that-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Yes.

   16. JHJosh Homme4:24

       ... there's one guy in the Ken Burns' Civil War one who's kind of, like, was probably alive then (laughs) too. Like, just it seems like he's so passionate about it, and he's such a good storyteller. And so he's, he's adding the emotions of, like, you know, when, when, uh, Robert E. Lee was t- or, uh, sorry, uh, uh, the oth- the, the, the Union guy, um, who's the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Ulysses Grant?

   18. JHJosh Homme4:49

       Grant, grant. But ha- w- had a drinking problem, but then was like, "Ah." And he probably had from PTSD, you know? And he's, he's just telling that story with such kind of emotional depth. It was cool. Uh, it's nice to watch that instead of read it sometimes.

4. 5:04 – 6:35

   Civil War echoes: PTSD, vendettas, and inherited grievances

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      Yeah, I don't think any of us are ever gonna be able to truly understand what it was like to live without television, without radio, without cell phones, and war. Like, what the w- and then war inside the same continent with other people that are supposed to be just like you, that speak the same language. Like-

   2. JHJosh Homme5:22

      Yeah, or that you run the risk of going, "Hey, G- Hey, Gary." (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      Yeah. Right, especially if you live in, like, fucking Virginia or somewhere-

   4. JHJosh Homme5:28

      Y- yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:29

      ... it's, like, on the border.

   6. JHJosh Homme5:29

      You c- you could know the person who's facing you-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      Easily. Sure.

   8. JHJosh Homme5:32

      ... and be like, "Best of luck to you, Gary." I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Yeah.

   10. JHJosh Homme5:36

       ... I hope I do and don't get you. I don't know what to think.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       I was reading this article too about how many murders took place after the war was settled, where, you know-

   12. JHJosh Homme5:43

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       ... like, where people were like, "Hey, you know, we're not done, bro."

   14. JHJosh Homme5:46

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       "You, you killed my whole fucking family."

   16. JHJosh Homme5:48

       Yeah, though they're-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       Yeah.

   18. JHJosh Homme5:49

       They're like, "Cool, Lincoln. We're good."

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       Yeah, "L-

   20. JHJosh Homme5:50

       We're not good actually." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       ... let me, let me hang on for a little bit," and start assassinating people.

   22. JHJosh Homme5:54

       But how, but after, after what would seem like a lifetime of that sort of witnessing that and doing that and watching things that you recognize as injustice, the idea of someone getting stuck in the blame-... and, and as of, as the vendetta in that. I ca- I can s- I can see that. I, I, but you see how that's really ... It's probably why we're still having problems now. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       (laughs) Well, there's definitely some part of it, right?

   24. JHJosh Homme6:21

       Yeah. It's like, "My great, great, great, great told me-"

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Yeah.

   26. JHJosh Homme6:25

       You know, when, when people are sort of, like, dipped in that Kool-Aid of, "Because of my great, great, great, great, great felt this way-

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JHJosh Homme6:32

       ... I'm supposed to, too, because-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       Yeah.

   30. JHJosh Homme6:34

       ... we're related, so."

5. 6:35 – 13:12

   ‘Empire of the Summer Moon’ and the Comanche: brutality, romance, and displacement

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      Dude, I'm almost done with this book. Um, I'm listening to this audiobook, Empire of the Summer Moon. It is fucking insane. It's all about the-

   2. JHJosh Homme6:43

      Who's it by?

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      ... the wa- um ... I'll tell you the guy's name. Oh, Jamie will pull it up.

   4. JHJosh Homme6:47

      Gary.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:48

      Fucking Gary.

   6. JHJosh Homme6:49

      It's fucking Gary.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      It's, um-

   8. JHJosh Homme6:50

      Best of luck, Gary.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      ... uh, S.C. Gwynne, G-W-Y-N-N-E, Empire of the Summer Moon. It's all about- (clears throat)

   10. JHJosh Homme6:59

       Oh, that's awesome.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       ... the, uh, the war with the Plains tribes, the Plains tr- Plains Indians versus the settlers. It is fucking insane, man.

   12. JHJosh Homme7:07

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       It's insa- it's like, I al- e- everyone knows that there was European settlers, and they had conflict with Indians, and there was a lot of things that happened. But until you read, like, the accounts of all the different battles, and all the things that happened, and all the slaughters, and all the chaos, and-

   14. JHJosh Homme7:24

       And the k- the children-

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       Oh.

   16. JHJosh Homme7:26

       ... and the, and the, and, and the messages sent by more viol- like (laughs) ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       Oh, dude.

   18. JHJosh Homme7:30

       And, and you think you're sending one message, but you're really giving the n- the wrong one. (laughs) You're-

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       Yeah.

   20. JHJosh Homme7:35

       Uh, I, I can't im- I can't imagine, and it's so far away for y- maybe you and I-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       Yeah.

   22. JHJosh Homme7:41

       ... that reading that is like, it's like, when you don't think about it, it's sort of like, "Oh, it's just an app I don't use or something," in this day and age, it feels like.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       See if they have a photo of Cynthia Ann Parker. There's a couple photos of this woman who was a ... She was kidnapped by the, by the Comanches when she was nine, and her mo- e- everyone in her family was brutally murdered. There was a, the, a raid on her town, but they kidnapped her, and she became a part of the Comanches.

   24. JHJosh Homme8:06

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       And she married a chief and had babies with him, and then they k- they've captured her again when the, when, when these, uh, settlers ... So, this is a photo of this lady.

   26. JHJosh Homme8:16

       Th-

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       This lady became a Comanche and then fucking hated coming back to civilization.

   28. JHJosh Homme8:23

       Oh, she was ... The Comanche finally lost, and that's what, what she was-

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Yeah.

   30. JHJosh Homme8:26

       ... kinda forced to do is re- be re-kidnapped?
6. 13:12 – 15:50

   Teotihuacan’s design: ancient acoustics, reflection ponds, and shaman selection

   1. JHJosh Homme13:12

      Have, have you ever been to Teotihuacan?

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:14

      No, I've never been there. I heard it's amazing, though.

   3. JHJosh Homme13:17

      Something really interesting happened to me there. Now, when I ... The, not only is this square that we went to and stand on this earth mound, and this guy, whose nickname was Gorilla, giving us this wonderful tour, of, of just of spot. The most romantic tour ever of this place (laughs) for such a rough place. And he goes, "Wait right here." And we're in this giant square, and he runs down this dirt mound about, I don't know, say, 150 feet away, 200 feet away, and he goes, "Can you hear me?" And it was like, "Oh my God." I could hear him. He goes, "This square was built with these mounds here to be able to speak at this voice to 250,000 people."

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      Whoa.

   5. JHJosh Homme13:56

      And I was like, "What?" (laughs) And then we walk and, you know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      That right there? Is that it up there? Well, let's go to that screen too.

   7. JHJosh Homme14:02

      Yes. Well, it's, okay, it's that way and then go left and then-

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:05

      You could look this way so you don't have to look backwards.

   9. JHJosh Homme14:06

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       So over here. So-

   11. JHJosh Homme14:08

       So, if we were to see that square, if we were to go straight around that pyramid and make a left (laughs) , that's where those mounds are. And, and the, the other thing is, and, and these ... That's the same shot from a different angle. Uh, that's near where these high, these shaman lived. This shaman had quarters, like an area of this place.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Oh.

   13. JHJosh Homme14:30

       And there was this, there's these, um, sort of things. And I said, "What are these?" And they, he said, "They're reflection ponds." I said, "Oh, like for, like, reflecting." And he goes, "No, no. For reflecting." And I'd never considered that you don't look at the stars by going, "Eh, eh." But that really, you look down, and you mark, so in seven years when it comes around again, you're like, "Ah, pattern."

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       Oh.

   15. JHJosh Homme14:52

       Because I'm always like, "How do you look up and learn a pattern of that?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       Right, right, right.

   17. JHJosh Homme14:56

       But by looking down ... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Well, that's crazy. So they had ponds just to look at the reflection of the stars and, and map them out?

   19. JHJosh Homme15:04

       Yeah, the shaman did. That was, like, in their neighborhood. And if you're ... The way you were a shaman is if you had a birthmark on your head when you were born, they immediate were like, two boards, rope, and just put two boards and roped you and began a lifetime of, of like, "So you're a shaman?" Which, if you had a lifetime of that, you'd be like, "Hi, shaman. Sha- Hey, shaman." I mean, it's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       So it's like being born a royal. But even-

   21. JHJosh Homme15:27

       "Squeeze the shaman. Don't squeeze the shaman." Oh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Even more weird, right? Because it's, you don't have a history or a bloodline of it. It's just, they find you.

   23. JHJosh Homme15:32

       It's, it's the study of what we are and that that is significant.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JHJosh Homme15:37

       Because, uh, I, it f- it felt to me immediate, like, "Well, everyone can't do that. We need ... You know, you don't have the thing on you, so you ..."

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       Yeah, if you don't have the birthmark.

   27. JHJosh Homme15:45

       Yeah. I mean, that's a really good f- like, uh, entry, you know, at the gate. (laughs)

7. 15:50 – 18:46

   Reincarnated holy men, the Dalai Lama, and Steven Seagal as a tulku

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      You know, that's the case with the Dalai Lama too. I think they found him when he was, I wanna say he was nine. How old was the Dalai Lama when they found him? But they just decided, "Oh, you're a reincarnated holy man, and so you don't have to work ever again."

   2. JHJosh Homme16:02

      (laughs) I know, but can you imagine being nine, and you're just, like, have two toys, and you're like, "Huh?"

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:06

      Yeah, like, "What?"

   4. JHJosh Homme16:07

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      Yeah, this is the, how it goes.

   6. JHJosh Homme16:09

      "Mom!"

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      "You don't have to work, but no pussy ever."

   8. JHJosh Homme16:11

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:11

      Like, "What?"

   10. JHJosh Homme16:12

       "What?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       "What are you talking about?"

   12. JHJosh Homme16:13

       I'd be like, "Mom!"

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       (laughs)

   14. JHJosh Homme16:15

       "They say, they say I'm-"

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       You don't know what you're missing yet.

   16. JHJosh Homme16:18

       (laughs) Yeah, before you know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       It's just a, a weird choice that ... And then people look to him like there's something incredibly special about him, right? He's the Dalai Lama. But it's not like he went through this long sort of, uh, apprenticeship period where he meditated and then became the Dalai Lama, no.

   18. JHJosh Homme16:36

       Or yeah, out of 20 meditators, they're like, "You were the quietest, come with me." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Yeah, "You're the best, bro. You, the way you focus." No, he's fucking nine.

   20. JHJosh Homme16:42

       "Hey, hey, focus on me for a sec. I gotta get out of it." You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       How old was he? Does it say?

   22. NANarrator16:47

       I think he might've been f- almost. I think he was a little bit older than that.

   23. JHJosh Homme16:51

       50.

   24. NANarrator16:51

       Like, 15 or something like that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       Really?

   26. JHJosh Homme16:53

       See, that seems like a rough one.

   27. NANarrator16:54

       Well, yeah. I'm trying to s- I'm trying to read on it. It says it took him four years before he actually, uh, like, took the power of the Dalai Lama.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Oh, so he had to have a little-

   29. NANarrator17:01

       So they might've found him first and then-

   30. JHJosh Homme17:02

       Yeah, he was so young, he kept dropping it.
8. 18:46 – 24:34

   Aztec/Mayan monumental awe: construction without modern tools and the cost of empire

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:46

      When you went to that-

   2. JHJosh Homme18:46

      I-

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:47

      ... to the, the, the Aztec temple-

   4. JHJosh Homme18:48

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:49

      ... as a musician, when you're sitting there, did you like, did it make sense, like the acoustics, like the way it's set up? Does the, the, the way the sound works, does it make sense to you, like how they constructed it?

   6. JHJosh Homme18:59

      It real- it, it, um, it, it left a very lasting feeling of that we're supposed to be here. (laughs) And that, um, you know, it just, it really restored a lot of faith in humanity. I, I, I didn't focus on the ritualistic murder that was going on there. It was just the cr- the, that's the one set of people.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:23

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JHJosh Homme19:23

      The other set of people built this.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:25

      Right.

   10. JHJosh Homme19:25

       And they knew, and they knew. And, you know, much like the Great Pyramids that are really, uh, you know, in the shape of Orion's Belt exactly, that same concept of like what's going on here matters.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:40

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JHJosh Homme19:40

       And if y- if that is your focus, think of how wonderful it could (laughs) be, you know? Like, the, how did those people know how to make that with no, in- without the, you know, they say without the wheel? That would be, uh, like, really hard.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       That seems insane.

   14. JHJosh Homme19:54

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       Yeah, the Aztecs didn't have the wheel, right?

   16. JHJosh Homme19:57

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       Allegedly? Yeah, how the fuck did they do all that? Well, at least the way they did it physically, you can kind of, like, they- we know that they-

   18. JHJosh Homme20:06

       (sniffs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       ... they murdered 80,000 slaves in a period of just a few days after the construction of that temple.

   20. JHJosh Homme20:12

       (clicks tongue) Yeah, so it was like, "Don't tell any... Actually, don't worry about it. I'll take care of it." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       I think they knew-

   22. JHJosh Homme20:18

       It's like say-

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       ... that they were gonna be slaughtered. I think it was kind of like part of the gig.

   24. JHJosh Homme20:23

       L- y- well, uh, uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       Maybe I'm wrong with that-

   26. JHJosh Homme20:24

       ... you know, I might be wrong about that. Well, I, I, I- it, it doesn't... With that many people, it wouldn't sound surprising that you'd have some cooperation. (laughs) I mean, it's hard to imagine 80,000 people at once going, "Sorry, what?" And not being like, "Well, fuck this, man."

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       Yeah.

   28. JHJosh Homme20:40

       That sounds like a cooperative event to me somehow.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       Unless they were somehow or another locked up and they brought them out one by one.

   30. JHJosh Homme20:46

       That's an awfully big cage you've got there.
9. 24:34 – 30:08

   Conquistadors and conquest logic: Cortés, horses, language, and brutality

   1. JHJosh Homme24:34

      It seems li- s- like a distinct possibility that the European perspective-... like, when Pizarro and all that, you know. Was it 12 of them Conquistadors killed like 1,000 natives in, in a, in a matter of hours when ... You know, when they land-

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JHJosh Homme24:52

      ... they're looking for gold everywhere.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:53

      Right, right.

   5. JHJosh Homme24:54

      At first, they have this, this belief that something big will come across the water and be their god, and here comes a ship with a bunch of dirty assholes th- that ... Literally, factually dirty assholes have r- ridden across a boat. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:07

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JHJosh Homme25:08

      And, and, you know, it ... I, I think about that perspective where they obviously were like, "These people are nice, but I've had enough of this. They, they should've invented ships. We're better, so let's kill everyone here."

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:20

      Yeah. Well, Cortés and Montezuma, right?

   9. JHJosh Homme25:22

      Like, it's such an ego ... That's what I mean. Cortés.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       Yeah.

   11. JHJosh Homme25:23

       Yeah, Cortés. That's who it is.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:25

       Yeah.

   13. JHJosh Homme25:25

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       They didn't know what was going on because I don't think they ... Uh, previous to that time, they'd ever seen anyone on a horse before.

   15. JHJosh Homme25:31

       No. And, and th- ... Come acro- ... Can you imagine a big boat and then-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       Yeah.

   17. JHJosh Homme25:35

       ... a few horses where they're like, "What the fuck is-"

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Yeah.

   19. JHJosh Homme25:37

       "Uh, Gary, come over here and look at this." It's just ... It's impossible to fathom.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       Yeah. A man riding a beast. They're probably like, "What in the fuck is-"

   21. JHJosh Homme25:45

       With like rusty armor from-

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       Yeah.

   23. JHJosh Homme25:47

       ... being on a fucking boat for months.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       Yeah.

   25. JHJosh Homme25:50

       Like, looking like shit. Being desperately like, just-

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Yeah.

   27. JHJosh Homme25:55

       Like, the ... I, I imagine their relief when they come up on these horses with this armor and all this stuff and they're like, "They're cool. This is gonna be easy." (laughs) You know? I mean, at, at first they, they must have thought, "Maybe we could do this with some goodwill," but quickly it's like, "You guys are too primitive. We're just gonna take over here in about 12 minutes."

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       I doubt they even thought they were gonna do it with goodwill. I don't think there was any goodwill back then. I think people were just murdering people.

   29. JHJosh Homme26:20

       Y- y- you think that there's perhaps ... That more people took more lives (laughs) in, in a way?

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       Well-
10. 30:08 – 36:41

    Desert identity and survival stories: scorpion sting, folk remedies, and pain rituals

    1. JRJoe Rogan30:08

       Well, then also like the, the different environments that people live in sort of dictate their personal- ... Like, you're a desert guy, right? When-

    2. JHJosh Homme30:15

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       You're from the desert. Yeah. What is that? Scorpion.

    4. JHJosh Homme30:18

       The, I'm, uh ... I'm one of the few people I know that's been bit by one.

    5. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Have you really?

    6. JHJosh Homme30:23

       Yeah. And, and as I g- ... (sighs) I was going up the Joshua Tree to this studio that's really just a house (laughs) and called-

    7. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Was that the one that the guys, uh, showed in the thing you did with Bourdain?

    8. JHJosh Homme30:34

       Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh, Rancho De La Luna.

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Yeah.

    10. JHJosh Homme30:38

        And, um ... But its magic is, is what's missing. (laughs) ... and I mean everywhere. Every ...

    11. JRJoe Rogan30:44

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JHJosh Homme30:44

        But, um, and all that's left is like what if you just, when the tide receded, it was just the idiosyncratic and the previously thrown away-

    13. JRJoe Rogan30:54

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JHJosh Homme30:55

        ... like all in reborn in a ... You know, it's just got that sort of feeling to it, right? So, um, and so I was driving up there. And I know ... I'm a desert boy. I know that you're not supposed to ... At nighttime is when everything comes out. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan31:10

        Right.

    16. JHJosh Homme31:11

        Because in the day, everyone is like, "Ugh. Really?" I mean, everything that walks or crawls is like ... And so at night, everyone, everything that walks or crawls goes, "All right, let'th go."

    17. JRJoe Rogan31:22

        Right.

    18. JHJosh Homme31:23

        And so you wear shoes. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan31:25

        (laughs)

    20. JHJosh Homme31:25

        If you do not wear shoes, you're, it's, you, you have made a mistake, for sure. And as soon as we pull up to the rancho and the dirt parking lot, I open up, (laughs) I open up the door e- and I'm on the passenger side. And I, and I step out, and I go in to reach for a 12-pack of beer. And something hit me on the foot, and I was like ... And I lift my foot, and there's this black or da- dark-brownish, like a root beer-y brown scorpion hanging from my foot going, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey."

    21. JRJoe Rogan31:57

        (sighs)

    22. JHJosh Homme31:58

        And I, and I was like ... I, I think it was like, "Ah!"

    23. JRJoe Rogan32:02

        (laughs)

    24. JHJosh Homme32:03

        Like, like a really butch gal-

    25. JRJoe Rogan32:06

        (laughs)

    26. JHJosh Homme32:06

        ... who's been terrified for the first time.

    27. JRJoe Rogan32:08

        Right.

    28. JHJosh Homme32:08

        Like right? And I slapped it.

    29. JRJoe Rogan32:11

        Oh.

    30. JHJosh Homme32:11

        And I slapped it, uh, off my foot because that's my knee-jerk reaction. And I, as I did that, that's when I screamed and jumped like, you know, like a mouse or something- (laughs)
11. 36:41 – 42:43

    Nature’s brutality: mantises, orcas, dolphins, and intelligence beyond human metrics

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       Well, what would really be fucked up is if bugs were big and intelligent, if bugs behaved the way settlers behaved when they encountered the Native Americans.

    2. JHJosh Homme36:49

       I, I, I must say, I'm, I'm happy to hear you say that. Something I say to my kids and I've said to myself for many, many, many years, um, of, uh, is-When I'm having a rough morning, I say, "Thank God praying mantis aren't five feet tall."

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:03

       Fuck yeah, dude.

    4. JHJosh Homme37:04

       Because f- getting to your car would be a nightmare. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:07

       Yeah.

    6. JHJosh Homme37:08

       And, and you'd never ... It'd just be like ... You know, that. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:13

       Yeah. I was just watching a video of a praying mantis fucking up a r- a mouse. They're, they're so powerful, man.

    8. JHJosh Homme37:18

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:18

       It's crazy. This-

    10. JHJosh Homme37:19

        Just to, like, start the morning? Uh-

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:20

        It was just sitting there.

    12. JHJosh Homme37:21

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:21

        It was just sitting there as the mouse got close to him, and then he, doo, and he grabs ahold of him and fucks him up.

    14. JHJosh Homme37:26

        (laughs) Is that-

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:26

        Yeah.

    16. JHJosh Homme37:26

        ... a normal way you start the morning is just-

    17. JRJoe Rogan37:28

        Me? Yeah. (laughs)

    18. JHJosh Homme37:29

        (laughs) Always.

    19. JRJoe Rogan37:29

        Unfortunately. Yeah. There was one with a squirrel too. It was, uh, the praying mantis was eating a squirrel. Was, like, holding onto this little squirrel's head and just slowly-

    20. JHJosh Homme37:39

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan37:39

        ... pulling it apart. Oh, there's another one with a lizard. The lizard one was pretty fucked. Look at this mouse. You would think, "Well, there's no way." I mean, once-

    22. JHJosh Homme37:45

        Uh, look, that mouse is just like, "Oh, well, just going over here. Just gonna look over here."

    23. JRJoe Rogan37:48

        Bro, they are so ruthless, these goddamn things. And they're so fucking s- deceptively strong for their size. You look at how big they are.

    24. JHJosh Homme37:56

        I mean, look at that, dude. If that was five feet tall-

    25. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        Oh, we'd be fucked.

    26. JHJosh Homme38:00

        Uh, uh, I, I wouldn't ... I, honestly, I would stay home and ... A lot more.

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:03

        Oh. I would be armed to the dick all day long.

    28. JHJosh Homme38:07

        I s- (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:07

        Just fucking everywhere I go, multiple guns, Kevlar suits.

    30. JHJosh Homme38:12

        (coughs) .
12. 42:43 – 46:00

    Pirate logs, quiet oceans, and modern noise/pollution: from whale songs to plastic islands

    1. JHJosh Homme42:43

       As a, as a musician, I, I, I, at one point, I, I'm, I went through this pirate phase of reading (laughs) where you just read about ... 'Cause all the logs are so accurate. They had to be to survive.

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:55

       Oh.

    3. JHJosh Homme42:55

       So, it's the-

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:55

       So you read pirates' logs?

    5. JHJosh Homme42:57

       Yeah, uh, like, well, um, the historical version of why did someone, why does someone turn into a privateer?... you know, charged by the King of Spain to take anything English, and to the English, it's a pirate and th- Like, how does that ... And it was from war slowing down and all these sailors having, like, "What do we do?"

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:13

       Oh.

    7. JHJosh Homme43:14

       You know? And the logs are so accurate and, and in a very fact, like, this is what happened. It's marked-

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:21

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JHJosh Homme43:21

       ... in the log. Th- Um, that is just great accurate history of the Caribbean.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:26

        Well, that's one of the ways we know about what happened with Columbus, right? One of the wh- One of the more fucked up things about Columbus is, I b- I believe it was, uh, missionaries that traveled with him that ratted him out about how ruthless they were.

    11. JHJosh Homme43:39

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        They were-

    13. JHJosh Homme43:40

        Oh.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        ... cutting people's arms off. They get hi- didn't give him enough gold and dashing babies' heads on the rocks.

    15. JHJosh Homme43:45

        But then you wouldn't be able to get any more gold from that person, certainly, just-

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        Yeah, the idea was to scare everybody else.

    17. JHJosh Homme43:51

        ... if you didn't bring enough. But if you didn't bring enough as a practical-

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        Yeah.

    19. JHJosh Homme43:54

        ... th- thing. Like, "Go get me more gold." "No, cut his arm off." "Well, now I can't even bring more anyways."

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:59

        I think the idea was nobody wants their arm cut off, so there's plenty of them.

    21. JHJosh Homme44:03

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:03

        Like, just kill this one guy.

    23. JHJosh Homme44:04

        And the people that do want th- only have one arm, they probably have already done that.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        Yeah.

    25. JHJosh Homme44:08

        They're probably-

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        That was one of the more fucked up-

    27. JHJosh Homme44:11

        Well, oh, that, uh, the reason for the, the logs is the, they would talk about how whales and dolphins, you could hear them singing.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        Mm.

    29. JHJosh Homme44:20

        Because there's no engines on the ocean. So it's just ... Just the silence of the planet.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:26

        Oh. Right, right. Just the ... They're just using sails.
13. 46:00 – 55:51

    Extreme endurance as spectacle: rowing to Antarctica, Goggins, and Honnold’s calm brain

    1. NANarrator46:00

       Did you see what, you know, Colin O'Brady, who was on the podcast a few m- months ago now-

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Sure. Yeah, he's gonna row across-

    3. NANarrator46:05

       Yeah, from-

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       ... to Antarctica?

    5. NANarrator46:06

       Drake's Passage, I guess, is what it's called, in this little teeny rowboat.

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Oh, Jesus.

    7. JHJosh Homme46:11

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       He's crazy.

    9. NANarrator46:12

       A couple other guys he's gonna do it with, but I guess they're gonna-

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:15

        He walked a- he walked across Antarctica, which is a harrowing story.

    11. JHJosh Homme46:19

        Yeah, of course. Ho- How do they ... It really, it d- it ... I can't imagine it not being fraught at every other's footstep.

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:26

        Yeah. I bet you do that, though, for, like, however long it takes him, a summer rowing, you'd come out ripped. I bet you get, develop serious back muscles.

    13. NANarrator46:35

        Yeah, I would say. (laughs)

    14. JHJosh Homme46:36

        Yeah. Yeah, you know, that is a really positive way to look at it. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:39

        Yeah, it's a great workout that you're forced to do to stay alive.

    16. NANarrator46:40

        So if you want, if you ... Do you want bigger back? (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:43

        You want your back to look beautiful? Well, crew must work 24 hours a day-

    18. NANarrator46:48

        Okay, well, crew must work with me.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:48

        ... rotating around the clock with little to no sleep. What?

    20. NANarrator46:51

        Yeah, they're live-streaming this whole thing with Discovery.

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:54

        Oh, my God.

    22. NANarrator46:54

        So, like, if they die, we're gonna watch it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan46:56

        Bro, look at this.

    24. NANarrator46:57

        Oh, just ... I just, I-

    25. JRJoe Rogan46:58

        The swells can tower up to 50 feet high. What the fuck, man?

    26. JHJosh Homme47:02

        Can you imagine it's-

    27. NANarrator47:03

        It sounds so cra- It sounds so fucking crazy.

    28. JHJosh Homme47:05

        Well, imagine it's 2, like, 27 in the morning.

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:09

        Yeah.

    30. JHJosh Homme47:10

        And everyone's asleep and you're in charge of rowing over 50-foot swells.
14. 55:51 – 1:18:48

    Manifestation, fear, and ‘law of attraction’: Esther Hicks as a catalyst for life changes

    1. JHJosh Homme55:51

       Oh, my God. I've been reading about this fr- uh, I've been watching and reading this woman, Esther Hicks.

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:56

       Oh, yeah. Okay, that's that lady that channels?

    3. JHJosh Homme55:58

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:58

       Yeah.

    5. JHJosh Homme55:58

       But, but, um, putting that aside-

    6. JRJoe Rogan56:02

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JHJosh Homme56:02

       ... to not, um, precondition anyone, her, her discussions on manifestation, and her explanation of, of that, that the physical body... That you have thoughts, and thoughts are bigger than... Th- your body is simply a, a bag that holds your, protects your thoughts so they can occur.

    8. JRJoe Rogan56:22

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    9. JHJosh Homme56:22

       And that, when you think something, you, you begin to bring it into idea, which is th- on the process to bring it into the world.

    10. JRJoe Rogan56:29

        Yeah.

    11. JHJosh Homme56:29

        And so, when you say, "I can't," um, you certainly cannot.

    12. JRJoe Rogan56:35

        Right.

    13. JHJosh Homme56:36

        And, and that it's okay when coming from a position of, "I can," and it's already happened-

    14. JRJoe Rogan56:43

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JHJosh Homme56:43

        ... and I'm just meeting up with what's already occurred.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:46

        Yeah.

    17. JHJosh Homme56:47

        That there's something beautiful there, especially when it's not, um, really being wrapped in a selfish thing, (laughs) but manifesting happiness and, and things you love. And that that attracts other... That's what's contagious, you know? And, um, so I wonder, when I see a photo like that, about the connection of... And her, her point, point being is that she's like, "All day long, you're thinking thoughts and acting on them."

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:14

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JHJosh Homme57:14

        Because the, that mind and, and body are one. They're executing the same process together, you know, dependently. A- and, like, I, that is the embodiment of thought, and body-

    20. JRJoe Rogan57:27

        Yeah.

    21. JHJosh Homme57:27

        ... and action together, and being ultimately in that vortex of being aware.

    22. JRJoe Rogan57:33

        That Esther Hicks lady is very strange. Y- I'm very torn on that, because, uh, I listened to the actual words and the things that she says when she's channeling that... What is it, like-

    23. JHJosh Homme57:42

        Abraham?

    24. JRJoe Rogan57:43

        Is he, like, a dead guy or an alien? What is he? I forget what he is.

    25. JHJosh Homme57:47

        I, see, I just-

    26. JRJoe Rogan57:48

        One of them channels an alien.

    27. JHJosh Homme57:49

        Right, but I think there's multiple people.

    28. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        There's another lady. Yeah.

    29. JHJosh Homme57:52

        But see, the thing is, is I've, I've kind of, like, was listening, stumbled on that while I was driving.

    30. JRJoe Rogan57:57

        Mm-hmm.

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