Joe Rogan Experience #1394 - Matt Farah

Joe Rogan 0:00 Three, two, one.

Matt Farah 0:00 I gotta get a picture of that. (slaps table)

Joe Rogan 0:03 Matt Farah, ladies and gentlemen.

Matt Farah 0:04 Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 0:05 We're going live.

Matt Farah 0:06 Are we?

Joe Rogan 0:06 Dude, the interior of your car is fucking disgusting.

Matt Farah 0:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:09 And I can't believe you like it.

Matt Farah 0:10 It's-

Joe Rogan 0:10 Why would you do that when you can get any interior? You could make it any color. You decided to do b- what is it? Bus?

Matt Farah 0:17 It's city bus fabric.

Joe Rogan 0:18 City, legitimately?

Matt Farah 0:19 It's actual city bus fabric. Yeah, yeah. We got it from the city bus supplier. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 Pfft.

Matt Farah 0:24 I like-

Joe Rogan 0:24 I mean, is it just, like, puke-resistant or something?

Matt Farah 0:26 a- It's everything resistant, UV-

Joe Rogan 0:27 Really?

Matt Farah 0:27 ... dirt, stain.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Really?

Matt Farah 0:28 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I-

Joe Rogan 0:30 But does it feel good?

Matt Farah 0:31 All right. Hi, everybody.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Hi.

Matt Farah 0:32 I have a-

Joe Rogan 0:32 It's Matt Farah.

Matt Farah 0:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:34 (laughs)

Matt Farah 0:34 I have an old 911. It's called a safari build.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Yeah.

Matt Farah 0:36 This guy named Lee Keen built it, and I showed it to Joe. I brought it here.

Joe Rogan 0:40 There it is.

Matt Farah 0:41 There it is. And it's-

Joe Rogan 0:41 See, people on the video were looking at, uh, the smoking tire on Instagram.

Matt Farah 0:45 Thank you. And, uh, that's my everyday car in LA. It's got-

Joe Rogan 0:48 You drive that everywhere?

Matt Farah 0:49 Yeah. It's got big fog lights and bash bars, and it's got a lift on it.

Joe Rogan 0:53 It's a manual too, right?

Matt Farah 0:53 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:54 In traffic?

Matt Farah 0:55 Y- yeah, but I don't ... I also have a little scooter, so it's, when I need to go fight traffic-

Joe Rogan 1:00 A scooter.

Matt Farah 1:00 ... I leave it on the- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01 You drive a scooter?

Matt Farah 1:02 Yeah, a little Yamaha 125.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Oh, Jesus.

Matt Farah 1:04 Bro, you wear a fanny pack.

Joe Rogan 1:05 (laughs)

Matt Farah 1:06 I can ride a scooter. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07 I mean, for your own health and safety.

Matt Farah 1:09 No, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Really?

Matt Farah 1:10 It's the be- I mean, look, riding motorcycles is dangerous. We all know that.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Right.

Matt Farah 1:13 But it, I think it's a calculated risk.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:15 You know. And I, like, the other day, my wife and I left the house at the same time. We live in Venice. And she left in a car, and I left on the scooter.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 1:23 And, like, exactly, like, 40 minutes later, she, I got off the bike and texted her that I was at my destination in Koreatown, and she was at her destination in Culver City.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Wow.

Matt Farah 1:33 So I was literally, like, double, triple the distance that she had gone, so. But anyway, the city bus fabric is amazing, and I fully anticipated that 90% of the people would like it and 10% of the people would find it deeply offensive. I'm surprised that you fell into the offense

Joe Rogan 1:49 It's disgusting.

Matt Farah 1:50 It's cool, man.

Joe Rogan 1:51 It's gross.

Matt Farah 1:52 I mean, yes, it's gross.

Joe Rogan 1:53 (laughs) I mean, it's fun.

Matt Farah 1:54 Yes, it's gro- ... But it's fun. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:55 It's fun that you did that.

Matt Farah 1:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56 I mean, I'm not offended.

Matt Farah 1:57 It's, it is fun.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:59 And I ... You know, here in LA, a car is kinda like, you know, your outfit a little bit. You know, a little bit?

Joe Rogan 2:05 Oh, okay. Yeah, you show a little jazz.

Matt Farah 2:06 A, a little bit. And I like, I like to ... If I'm gonna put a message out there of myself in a car-

Joe Rogan 2:11 Right.

Matt Farah 2:12 ... I don't wanna be, like, some douchey shitbag in a Porsche.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Mmm.

Matt Farah 2:15 Like, I wanna be the guy who's in, like, a pink Porsche-

Joe Rogan 2:19 Right.

Matt Farah 2:19 ... with big tires on it and s- and a bus interior, you know? That, to me-

Joe Rogan 2:23 I see what you're saying.

Matt Farah 2:23 ... it says a little more about me than it does about ...

Joe Rogan 2:27 Porsche's a weird car, right? Ferrari is 100% douchebag.

Matt Farah 2:31 They take themselves very seriously.

Joe Rogan 2:32 It's really hard to not be a douchebag in a Ferrari.

Matt Farah 2:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:34 But although I did see a really interesting one that this guy built in England, where he took a Dino-

Matt Farah 2:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:41 ... and he put a 400-plus horsepower-

Matt Farah 2:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:44 ... modern Ferrari engine in it.

Matt Farah 2:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:46 And put, like, a clear glass-

Matt Farah 2:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:49 ... over the engine bay, and, and everything you could take off, and bring the car back to stock, which I found interesting.

Matt Farah 2:55 It was almost the sort of Singer-ization of a-

Joe Rogan 2:58 Yeah.

Matt Farah 2:58 ... of a Dino. So a Dino, uh, is one of the prettiest Ferraris ever, right?

Joe Rogan 3:01 Beautiful car.

Matt Farah 3:02 But if you've ever driven one, they sound great, but they're just slow as dog shit.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Yeah.

Matt Farah 3:05 I mean, it's, they're v- v6s. It's f- the smallest engine Ferrari ever made.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Well, did you know the v- the website for the guy that did it, or the YouTube channel?

Matt Farah 3:14 (sighs) I think the guy, I think his name was David Lee and he built it. And it's, I think it-

Joe Rogan 3:17 See if you can find-

Matt Farah 3:17 He claimed it was an F40 engine, which I don't think was entirely accurate, I think.

Joe Rogan 3:23 He lied?

Matt Farah 3:24 I think he exaggerated a little bit.

Joe Rogan 3:25 He said lied?

Matt Farah 3:26 I think, I think it's a, it's an engine from, like, a 360-

Joe Rogan 3:29 That makes more sense.

Matt Farah 3:29 ... that has been modified in certain ways. Um-

Joe Rogan 3:31 'Cause an F40 has more than 400 horsepower, right?

Matt Farah 3:33 Well, it also had turbos, and you just-

Joe Rogan 3:36 Yeah. Yeah.

Matt Farah 3:36 It's not like ... You just wouldn't use an F40 engine for that.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Right.

Matt Farah 3:39 It would just be, it would be, like, using, um, something that's very valuable and not really replaceable for s- for, for purposes of modification doesn't make much sense-

Joe Rogan 3:50 Right. Right.

Matt Farah 3:51 ... when other options are available that could deliver you the same result.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Like a 360. What did a 360 have when it came, the Modena?

Matt Farah 3:56 Like 400 horsepower.

Joe Rogan 3:57 400-ish? Yeah.

Matt Farah 3:57 Yeah, like, around 400.

Joe Rogan 3:58 And the Dino's gotta be, like ... What is it, like 2500 pounds?

Matt Farah 4:00 Oh, the Dino was like ... Y- uh, may- maybe. Maybe.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Maybe.

Matt Farah 4:04 They're tiny. They're tiny, and they're made of nothing. I mean, they're ... 2500's maybe a good number.

Joe Rogan 4:09 It looks so wild.

Matt Farah 4:09 They're little. Yeah. And if you've ... I've heard that car. That car lives here.

Joe Rogan 4:13 Really?

Matt Farah 4:13 Yeah, that car lives in Los Angeles.

Joe Rogan 4:14 No way.

Matt Farah 4:15 The black one? Yeah, yeah, it lives here. I've seen it at car shows.

Joe Rogan 4:17 You've seen it?

Matt Farah 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:17 That's gotta be a half a million dollar car, right?

Matt Farah 4:20 It sounds business. It's weird because you actually have to ... Yes, it probably is. A half a million dollars would be a l- very low estimate for that car.

Joe Rogan 4:28 So, like, $700,000.

Matt Farah 4:29 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 4:29 Yeah.

Matt Farah 4:29 A really good original Dino is half-

Joe Rogan 4:31 Look at that.

Matt Farah 4:31 There it is. So it's actually, um-

Joe Rogan 4:34 That-

Matt Farah 4:34 a-

Joe Rogan 4:34 That's not the car, 'cause the car has a hard top, or is it a Targa?

Matt Farah 4:36 It's a Targa. It's a Targa.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Oh, look how pretty it is. Look at that picture.

Matt Farah 4:38 It's better with the roof off, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 4:39 Look at that picture with the back end of it right there. Yeah.

Matt Farah 4:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Bang. Click on that. (gasps)

Matt Farah 4:42 So what's so interesting about the car is-

Joe Rogan 4:44 It's almost like a Corvette.

Matt Farah 4:45 ... it's actually hard to tell it apart from a regular Dino if you don't know what you're looking for.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Mmm.

Matt Farah 4:50 The things to look for are obviously that badge on the left that says, like, Evo something.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 4:55 And then the clear engine cover with the big bubble in the middle of the, of the engine bonnet is changed.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Yeah. By the way, that badge can go fuck itself.

Matt Farah 5:02 (laughs) The badge doesn't need to be there. Yeah, the badge doesn't need to be-

Joe Rogan 5:03 Ugh. Get that off of there.

Matt Farah 5:04 The exhaust is a little bigger, and, um-

Joe Rogan 5:06 I like the exhaust. I like the exhaust.

Matt Farah 5:07 That's fine, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 I wish they had some grip to the tires. Those are some skinny-ass, bitch-ass tires.

Matt Farah 5:11 Well, look how narrow ... I mean, you know-

Joe Rogan 5:13 Yeah.

Matt Farah 5:13 You're talking about a car that n- d- y- without widening the body, there's only so much you can do.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Right.

Matt Farah 5:18 I imagine a modern rubber compound.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 5:21 What they did was they reproduced the Dino's, I think they're Campagnolo wheels-

Joe Rogan 5:25 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 5:25 ... which were probably, like, 15s on the Dino. And I think they're 17s here.

Joe Rogan 5:29 So pretty.

Matt Farah 5:30 That, you wanna talk expense- ... Yeah, David Lee, the Monza 3.6 Evo Dino. So-

Joe Rogan 5:35 Ah.

Matt Farah 5:36 ... 3.6, that's what tells me it's a-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Modena.

Matt Farah 5:39 ... 360 engine.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Yeah.

Matt Farah 5:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:41 3.6, yeah.

Matt Farah 5:41 It was, if it was a F40 engine, it'd be a 2.8 liter engine.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Ah.

Matt Farah 5:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:45 With turbos?

Matt Farah 5:46 With turbos, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 God, that's a pretty car. Look at that.

Matt Farah 5:48 Which, by the way, if it had an F40 engine, it'd be a (laughs) fucking death trap. Right?

Joe Rogan 5:52 (laughs) Right?

Matt Farah 5:53 You would sail that thing right off a cliff.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Vroom. With 400 horsepower, it's gotta be crazy fast.

Matt Farah 5:57 Yeah, but you know what? It's l- it's gonna be linear, right?

Joe Rogan 5:59 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 5:59 Without the turbo spool-

Joe Rogan 6:01 Yes.

Matt Farah 6:01 ... you know, you have that natural build of power.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Right.

Matt Farah 6:04 And you really kinda can just use less throttle. It won't just jump out at ya.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah.

Matt Farah 6:08 Yeah. But, I mean-

Joe Rogan 6:09 God, it's pretty.

Matt Farah 6:09 ... you are a man of taste, Joe. That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 6:12 It's a beautiful ride. Look at that thing.

Matt Farah 6:13 They're selling them.

Joe Rogan 6:14 Are they really?

Matt Farah 6:14 They're trying to buil- yeah, they're trying to build a run of them.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Oh, God.

Matt Farah 6:17 I think they're, I mean-

Joe Rogan 6:18 Like Singer? Yeah.

Matt Farah 6:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 What do you think of the-

Matt Farah 6:21 But here's the problem with, with, with doing this with Ferraris though. Ferrari people, even if you did something to the level of Singer, Ferrari people aren't really like that. Ferrari people are originality over everything.

Joe Rogan 6:37 That's so weird though.

Matt Farah 6:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:38 I don't understand those folks.

Matt Farah 6:39 They don't like m- they don't like modifying the cars.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Yeah.

Matt Farah 6:41 They don't like a car that's previously been modified. It's all about that numbers matching shit.

Joe Rogan 6:46 (blat) I don't get it.

Matt Farah 6:46 You know? It's not, it's not for you.

Joe Rogan 6:48 No.

Matt Farah 6:49 No, it's not really for me either. I love driving the Ferraris but like, I don't align with like-

Joe Rogan 6:54 That. Yeah.

Matt Farah 6:54 ... what the Ferrari fan really values so much. But I'd like to own one soon.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Yeah?

Matt Farah 6:58 Maybe an '80s one.

Joe Rogan 6:59 What would you like?

Matt Farah 6:59 Something a little silly.

Joe Rogan 7:00 Like a Testarossa?

Matt Farah 7:01 I've driven Testarossas, they're fun.

Joe Rogan 7:03 Yeah?

Matt Farah 7:03 But the main-

Joe Rogan 7:03 Dana White has a Testarossa.

Matt Farah 7:05 ... maintenance is crazy. Does he really?

Joe Rogan 7:06 And he had it completely redone. He's like, "Fuck you-"

Matt Farah 7:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:08 "... we put a new interior."

Matt Farah 7:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:10 "And a modern stereo." Everything.

Matt Farah 7:12 It's probably nice.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Now that he does.

Matt Farah 7:13 They need a lot of maintenance though, they have ... Testarossas have timing belts. See, timing belts are something that Italians were doing (laughs) for a long time, and the peop- they should, should just never be done again.

Joe Rogan 7:24 That sounds terrible.

Matt Farah 7:25 They wear out and they need to be changed.

Joe Rogan 7:28 Ugh.

Matt Farah 7:28 And in the case of the Testarossa, you're talking about a giant flat 12 engine. They're in the front, so they're up against the firewall behind the seats.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Oh, God.

Matt Farah 7:38 So you have to take off the whole back of the car (laughs) and take the whole engine out of the car to do these timing belts.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Oh, God.

Matt Farah 7:44 Yeah. Starting with, um, the modern stuff, they use chains. (laughs) They brought that into the 21st century and they don't have to fucking fuck with belts anymore.

Joe Rogan 7:53 Jesus Christ.

Matt Farah 7:54 Yeah, but even like Lamborghini at the time, like I have a Countach, which is the best car ever made, and you don't have to do that bullshit, 'cause even Lamborghini used chains. So you don't need to do the engine out.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Why did Ferrari go with belts?

Matt Farah 8:05 I think they thought it was smoother. Ferrar- Enzo Ferrari also had utter contempt for the people who bought his street cars, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did it just so the dealers would make more money on the services, even if he knew it was worse.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Why did he have so much contempt for the people who bought his cars?

Matt Farah 8:20 Enzo Ferrari just wanted to go racing all he ever-

Joe Rogan 8:23 Really?

Matt Farah 8:23 He was an egomaniac and all he ever wanted to do was see his cars win races, and he came to a point where he couldn't make money doing that, and he had to sell street cars to customers, but throughout his entire life, he openly treated those people with disdain. That's how you win, that's the, the story of Lamborghini.

Joe Rogan 8:41 Oh.

Matt Farah 8:41 The story of Lamborghini is Ferruccio Lamborghini had a Ferrari, it was not working for one reason or another. He went to Ferrari to complain about it, Enzo basically told him to go fuck himself-

Joe Rogan 8:52 (laughs)

Matt Farah 8:52 ... and so he said, "I'll build a better car." And that's the story of Lamborghini.

Joe Rogan 8:55 And their, what are they owned by now? Lamborghinis owned by Audi?

Matt Farah 8:59 Lamborghinis is, is Volkswagen/Audi group.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Okay.

Matt Farah 9:01 Yeah, VA- VAG.

Joe Rogan 9:02 So they're more reliable now?

Matt Farah 9:04 Yes, but so are Ferraris. Uh, around 2010-ish, uh, when the, the, the, uh, the for- 458 came out-

Joe Rogan 9:13 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 9:13 ... um, Ferraris took a massive jump in reliability.

Joe Rogan 9:18 How'd they do that?

Matt Farah 9:19 S- first off, the big one is the dual clutch gear- gearbox, which, uh, you know, stick shifts were one thing, right? And then these early single clutch paddle shift gearbox, they'd fry clutches like crazy. People didn't really know how-

Joe Rogan 9:31 Hmm.

Matt Farah 9:31 ... to use 'em right, and they'd ride the clutches out and they would just go through clutches like crazy. The dual clutch cars have much more, uh, like fail-safe type stuff built into them, and they actually work properly.

Joe Rogan 9:43 But Ferrari used to have that gated shifter-

Matt Farah 9:45 Oh, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 9:46 ... which is one of the coolest things ever.

Matt Farah 9:47 The best. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:48 The clinkity clink-

Matt Farah 9:49 It's the best.

Joe Rogan 9:49 ... sliding into gears.

Matt Farah 9:51 Yeah. There's nothing more rewarding than like, banging a Ferrari off the rev-I don't when I'm driving it on like a racetrack as fast as it will go.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Okay.

Matt Farah 12:22 Like when I went to test-

Joe Rogan 12:23 Right.

Matt Farah 12:23 ... the, the, the Corvette ZR1, the last front engine one-

Joe Rogan 12:26 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 12:26 ... when it went just completely fucking bananas, right?

Joe Rogan 12:29 Right.

Matt Farah 12:29 The 750 horsepower. I went to ROAD Atlanta to drive it, and they had a manual and they had an automatic for me to drive. And I drove the manual, and it was so fucking fast that I did not feel comfortable taking my hand off the wheel-

Joe Rogan 12:41 Right.

Matt Farah 12:41 ... to do the shifts.

Joe Rogan 12:41 That makes sense.

Matt Farah 12:42 And, and I was like, "At this level of performance, I really need to have both my hands on the wheel." And I'm a pretty decent driver.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 12:49 I'm not like shit. I'm not the best, but I'm not shit.

Joe Rogan 12:51 Right.

Matt Farah 12:52 And then when I drove the automatic car, I went, "Okay, I feel way more comfortable at this pace with my hands on the wheel."

Joe Rogan 12:58 Right.

Matt Farah 12:59 But this eight-speed automatic that they have is the biggest hunk of flaming shit-

Joe Rogan 13:03 (laughs)

Matt Farah 13:03 ... ever put into a sports car. And so with the C8, with the new one, they got rid of the manual and decided to substantially improve the auto with a new dual-clutch eight-speed, which, (sighs) you know, for you and for me, is sad that there's no stick.

Joe Rogan 13:21 It's sad.

Matt Farah 13:21 But I kinda get it because it's just sort of what progress looks like.

Joe Rogan 13:25 I get it if you're gonna take it to a racetrack.

Matt Farah 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 I do get it. But how many people are taking their goddamn Corvette to a racetrack?

Matt Farah 13:31 You know, it's not even really about that. It's sadder. It's sadder than that.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 13:34 It's really about, how do we get the 0 to 60 time under three seconds?

Joe Rogan 13:40 Yeah.

Matt Farah 13:40 Because when they had the ZO6, which was 650 horsepower, and then they had the ZR1, which was 750 horsepower, they couldn't get it to 60 any faster.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 13:49 Detroit is still so stuck in fucking 0 to 60 that that, th- that is important for some reason. And adding 100 horsepower didn't change the 0 to 60 because of the front engine rear drive. You're just traction limited at that point.

Joe Rogan 14:02 Yeah.

Matt Farah 14:02 Just burnouts.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Yeah.

Matt Farah 14:03 So by putting the engine in the back, you change the weight distribution. Now you've got a dual-clutch eight-speed instead of a s- manual seven-speed. Now you can get in that two-second range to 60, which doesn't improve the experience, but it does improve the number on that magazine cover.

Joe Rogan 14:19 The number.

Matt Farah 14:20 The number.

Joe Rogan 14:20 But everybody know... I mean, how do you not know? It's a, it's a fucking fast car.

Matt Farah 14:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:26 You know it's fast. The GT500's a real bummer though, 'cause that's a, such a muscle car.

Matt Farah 14:31 You know what? It's the same gearbox.

Joe Rogan 14:32 That's a muscle car.

Matt Farah 14:32 It's the s- it's a two... Same version of the Tremec dual-clutch from the Corvette-

Joe Rogan 14:36 Really?

Matt Farah 14:37 ... is in, is in the Mustang, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Oh, wow.

Matt Farah 14:38 It has a different number of gears, incidentally. It has a se- it's a seven-speed in the Mustang and an eight-speed in the Corvette, but it's same family of brand new Tremec dual-clutch gearboxes.

Joe Rogan 14:46 What has a wider, uh, contact with the tires?

Matt Farah 14:50 I don't know what the Mustang's got. If I had to guess-

Joe Rogan 14:53 Seems narrower, right?

Matt Farah 14:55 If I had to guess, the Mustang had wider. The C8 Corvette-

Joe Rogan 14:57 Really?

Matt Farah 14:57 ... has 305 rears, that I know.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Really? That's it?

Matt Farah 15:00 Yeah, yeah. It's not-

Joe Rogan 15:01 (coughs)

Matt Farah 15:01 You know, with a mid-engine car, what is interesting about a mid-engine car is you find this a lot. I bet if you went out and looked at a Ferrari, like a 458 or something-

Joe Rogan 15:09 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 15:09 ... you'd be shocked at how narrow the tires are.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Really?

Matt Farah 15:11 Yeah, when you do a mid-engine car, you can give up a lot of that huge fat rear rubber because the, the weight distribution doesn't necessitate it. Weight... Y- uh, tire, tire sizes are typically chosen by the weight distribution of the car. So like, your 911, uh, your o- air-cooled car, your old one, right?

Joe Rogan 15:28 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 15:28 So you got big fat rears and you've got relatively skinny fronts. That's because that engine is over the rears. So in a mid-engined like a... I just looked this up for an unrelated thing. In the 458, the front tires are only 245s on that, and the rear tires are 305s. So-

Joe Rogan 15:43 Huh.

Matt Farah 15:43 ... whereas a Corvette, your front tires are like 275... The old Corvette, front tires are 275, rears are like a 335. That, that difference in weight distribution is how big of a difference you need in tires.

Joe Rogan 15:56 Oh, that makes sense.

Matt Farah 15:57 It's weird.

Joe Rogan 15:58 The... That's... You know, have you driven the GT500, the new one?

Matt Farah 16:01 No, I didn't get-

Joe Rogan 16:01 No?

Matt Farah 16:01 ... to do it yet, unfortunately. It looks fun. Someone posted a video. It ran a 10.6 quarter mile outta the box (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 16:06 It's crazy.

Matt Farah 16:07 That's fucking nuts.

Joe Rogan 16:07 It's a very, very fast car.

Matt Farah 16:08 I cannot believe some of the cars that people can just buy now.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Well, speaking of which, that Porsche that you... You sent me the video the other day.

Matt Farah 16:16 Yeah, the Taycan.

Joe Rogan 16:17 It's T- Tay- I gotta say it right.

Matt Farah 16:18 Taycan.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Tay-can. Taycan.

Matt Farah 16:20 Taycan.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Taycan.

Matt Farah 16:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:20 That-

Matt Farah 16:20 We're gonna fuck that one up for years. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:22 That thing looks preposterous.

Matt Farah 16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 'Cause look, I know how preposterous my Tesla is.

Matt Farah 16:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:27 And I tell everybody when they say, "Oh, you know, you have really fast cars." I'm like, "You see that one right there?"

Matt Farah 16:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 "The one that looks like a dad car?"

Matt Farah 16:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 "That's... That one blows all of them away."

Matt Farah 16:34 Yeah, and you can drive like a complete-

Joe Rogan 16:35 Yeah.

Matt Farah 16:35 ... piece of shit 'cause it's silent too-

Joe Rogan 16:36 Oh, God.

Matt Farah 16:37 ... and no one notices you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:37 It's so quiet. You just pass people.

Matt Farah 16:39 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Like you just whiz by them-

Matt Farah 16:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:41 ... like nothing happened.

Matt Farah 16:42 Yeah. A Tesla is the new BMW in terms of people who are driving like shit bags on the way to work.

Joe Rogan 16:48 (laughs)

Matt Farah 16:48 Because when it's silent, people don't like call the cops or sneer. You're just kinda gone.

Joe Rogan 16:52 Dude, I was at a red light with some kid in a Model 3, and I was in my GT3 RS, and he blew by me.

Matt Farah 16:57 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:58 Blew by. I wasn't even trying to race him 'cause I know better-

Matt Farah 17:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 ... 'cause I have a Tesla, but it was the humiliation factor. He passed me and then got in front of me and then got on the highway like-

Matt Farah 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 ... like it was nothing. Shoo.

Matt Farah 17:08 And E- an EV, a fast EV, if you live in Los Angeles, is the correct tool for, for this job, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Matt Farah 17:15 If you have a home, or in, in your case, a fucking sick warehouse to keep it charged. Um, you know, supercharger network's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Yeah.

Matt Farah 17:22 But it's not... I w- I wouldn't say you can use it exclusively. You need some, some kinda home base-

Joe Rogan 17:28 In your house.

Matt Farah 17:28 ... to charge, yeah, or your office. But, um...

Joe Rogan 17:30 People that live in apartment complexes that have Teslas, I don't know how you do it.

Matt Farah 17:33 Yeah, if you don't live in a building where you can get them to install one and-

Joe Rogan 17:36 Or you work in a building-

Matt Farah 17:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:37 ... where they have something there.

Matt Farah 17:38 Yeah, you really... EVs are amazing and they're super, super fun. And like, I totally get why people like, like I, I get your EV evangelism transformation. You having gone from the (imitates engine revving) , you know, analog school-

Joe Rogan 17:52 (laughs)

Matt Farah 17:53 ... of, you know, manual gearboxes and fucking loud-

Joe Rogan 17:56 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 17:56 ... to, to, to experience that level of silent performance. And you must have felt like you're in a fucking spaceship.

Joe Rogan 18:02 It seem- it still seems like a spaceship-

Matt Farah 18:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:03 ... when I drive that thing.

Matt Farah 18:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:04 It's so quiet.

Matt Farah 18:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:05 It makes me feel good though. When you say it's quiet. (laughs)

Matt Farah 18:07 Well, you finally... Yeah, you get a little more relaxed, right?

Joe Rogan 18:10 Yeah, yeah. I like it when I take it to the airport too, 'cause I put it on auto. I go (imitates car revving) and I get on the 405 and I just chill.

Matt Farah 18:16 In traffic, it's nice.

Joe Rogan 18:17 Oh, it's the best.

Matt Farah 18:17 You know, it's nice. It is. I, I, I totally get it.

Joe Rogan 18:20 I haven't seen hell.

Matt Farah 18:21 ... be careful with that. It doesn't-

Joe Rogan 18:21 Oh, I have my hand on the wheel.

Matt Farah 18:23 No, no, it do- be careful with saying it drives itself. It doesn't.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Oh. You can't?

Matt Farah 18:26 It doesn't drive itself.

Joe Rogan 18:27 What does it do?

Matt Farah 18:28 Here the rabbit hole begins.

Joe Rogan 18:30 (singing) Dun, dun, dun.

Matt Farah 18:30 It has a, it has an advanced driver's aid system.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 18:35 Okay, so it has follow, you know, follows-

Joe Rogan 18:37 Right.

Matt Farah 18:37 ... a car in front of you and it has a, a, a pretty good lane keep assist.

Joe Rogan 18:40 Right. That's what it is?

Matt Farah 18:42 But now we go into the Joe Rogan rabbit hole of, what does driving mean?

Joe Rogan 18:46 What does driving mean?

Matt Farah 18:46 So, driving involves decision-making and driving involves a lot of mental processes that cars can't do. And so, that's when I, when people talk about terms like self-driving cars or full self-driving or whatever, they're not usually using those (laughs) terms correctly.

Joe Rogan 19:05 Mm, I know what you're saying.

Matt Farah 19:07 So, a bunch of cars, not just Tesla, uh, right now, although Tesla's system is very good, um, have a, a very good lane keep assist and a very good radar cruise system, and they have different methods of trying to ensure the driver is paying attention. But I think the marketing is a little bit disingenuous and they really want people who don't know better to think and feel like this is a car that drives itself.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Well, they're kinda putting it on beta. It's all just beta right now.

Matt Farah 19:36 Yeah, but that's fucking dangerous. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:38 Changes lanes.

Matt Farah 19:38 Bro, I'm riding my scooter-

Joe Rogan 19:40 Changes lanes.

Matt Farah 19:40 I know!

Joe Rogan 19:41 Yeah.

Matt Farah 19:41 I just had a Model 3 for a week, like couple weeks ago, and I liked it so much and I gave it back and I went, "God, maybe I should lease one of these. This is cool." But the auto-steering feature, I used it for about 20 minutes and it scared the piss outta me twice. And I went-

Joe Rogan 19:56 Have y-

Matt Farah 19:56 ... "Nah, maybe not."

Joe Rogan 19:56 Have you seen that company called Axis that takes, um, a Model S and they put a carbon body, a-

Matt Farah 20:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:04 ... wide-body kit onto it?

Matt Farah 20:05 No, that sounds like fun though.

Joe Rogan 20:06 It's pretty dope. Uh, the Axis Model S P100, 100D.

Matt Farah 20:11 Is, they replace the entire body with carbon?

Joe Rogan 20:13 They take the hood, the, they take the fenders off, they put wide-body fenders on. They, they do a bunch of different shit to it. You know, most of-

Matt Farah 20:21 Are you gonna do this?

Joe Rogan 20:21 ... Tesla's aluminum... I don't think so.

Matt Farah 20:23 I wouldn't, I wouldn't fuck with that.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah, they fuck with the suspension, they tighten up the suspension, they change the wheels, and they completely (clears throat) redo the interior. They strip the interior out, make-

Matt Farah 20:31 Well, that's where I would start.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Yeah, custom interior-

Matt Farah 20:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:33 ... put, put in whatever you want and need.

Matt Farah 20:35 For, I, I, th- the, the, you know, Teslas are, they're f- they're such cool cars and they're such, you know, um, they're such, like you said, serene, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 20:45 Yeah.

Matt Farah 20:45 And, and all, uh, uh, not, I don't wanna give that credit exclusively to Tesla because other EVs provide a similar experience too. But, um, the one place they are lacking, for the amount of money they charge, their interiors are a little behind the times.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yeah. Ask me if I'm getting one of those trucks.

Matt Farah 21:00 (sighs) Bro, good luck.

Joe Rogan 21:02 Ask me if I'm getting one of those trucks.

Matt Farah 21:03 You getting a truck, Joe?

Joe Rogan 21:05 Fuck yeah!

Matt Farah 21:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:05 Why you asking? Of course I'm getting one of them trucks.

Matt Farah 21:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Look at that thing.

Matt Farah 21:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 You don't like it?

Matt Farah 21:10 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:11 He don't like it.

Matt Farah 21:11 No. He don't.

Joe Rogan 21:12 No.

Matt Farah 21:12 I don't like it and I-

Joe Rogan 21:13 How dare you?

Matt Farah 21:14 I'm not entirely sure it's, it's real.

Joe Rogan 21:17 Mm, interesting.

Matt Farah 21:17 I mean, I think, I, I, I think... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 21:20 Look at that. Come on.

Matt Farah 21:21 I mean, look, I, I-

Joe Rogan 21:22 Come on.

Matt Farah 21:22 My initial reaction to that was, that's not a real thing.

Joe Rogan 21:25 << Meet George Jetson, << da da da ba dum ba dum >> (laughs)

Matt Farah 21:28 And my second reaction is, I'm pretty sure they couldn't build and sell that in America.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Why?

Matt Farah 21:33 Uh, th- because I, I just, I just don't think that that will pass the tests that it needs to pass. And I, and furthermore-

Joe Rogan 21:43 What kind of tests?

Matt Farah 21:44 More, more, like crash tests, pedestrian safety, stuff like that. Furthermore, it's, it's, it's because... (sighs) How do I say this without... It's really hard to talk about Tesla because their fans are fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:56 They get mad.

Matt Farah 21:57 They get really mad and they don't leave me alone about it.

Joe Rogan 21:58 They get crazy. They're coming after it already.

Matt Farah 22:00 And the, and, and in the, in the beginning, I thought that it's complete bullshit and fake and a fraud. I've talked to sin- a few people since in the design space who design cars professionally for a living, and I have been convinced that it could be possible to build and sell a shape, a vehicle shaped sort of like that. Although not exactly like that.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Okay.

Matt Farah 22:24 Um, having said that, I think that the way that it has been marketed is not entirely honest. And I-

Joe Rogan 22:36 How so?

Matt Farah 22:38 People, companies show concept cars all the time.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Right.

Matt Farah 22:41 There's nothing wrong with showing a concept car. There's nothing wrong with going, "Here's a, here's a prototype we built and this is gonna show the direction of our industry."

Joe Rogan 22:50 Right.

Matt Farah 22:51 And if you build electric cars as your business, it's pretty easy to build a concept car that runs and drives, 'cause you've got your skateboard and you can just, you know, put any body on it, right? So odds are there's like a Model X chassis underneath that prototype truck, right? But there's a, one, I don't think that accepting reservations is an honest thing to do when you don't know how you're gonna build the truck, don't know... There's no way that truck's on the road next year. No way.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Well, Simon-

Matt Farah 23:18 Not a chance.

Joe Rogan 23:19 ... it's supposed to be on the road next year.

Matt Farah 23:20 See, he did, he said 20, he said next year. 2021.

Joe Rogan 23:22 That's why he was, didn't he say 2023?

Jamie Vernon 23:24 The full three motor, 500 range badass one is like a three year down the line thing.

Matt Farah 23:31 So I, here's the problem. Building cars and s- warrantying them, repairing them, selling them is like a logistics business. They're operating this company like a tech company where it runs on hype. Like, where's the Roadster? That's supposed to come out this year.

Joe Rogan 23:45 When is that coming out?

Matt Farah 23:46 I don't fucking know. I haven't seen anything about it since the prototype.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Give me a, give me a guess. Give me a guess.

Matt Farah 23:51 I don't know. That's the point. I don't, like, they've had these product launches and they've built up the hype, it juices the stock, they take the reservations, but then it's like, but you, you have to deliver the product, guys. You're, you're actually a car company. You're not, you're not exclusively driven on hype.

Joe Rogan 24:08 But they have made some cars.

Matt Farah 24:09 Of course. No, no, of course they made... Your, there's one here.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Yeah.

Matt Farah 24:12 Yes, no, I'm not saying they don't build and sell cars. They build and sell cars. But what I am saying is, their business model is not like the regular car companies-... in that it is so dependent on this hype machine bringing in new investors, bringing in new reservation cash. When they go, "Here's this crazy total recall space truck, and all it's gonna cost you people to buy into my space truck vision is a hundred dollars refundable." And you're not gonna find out if that $100 gets you a truck for like two and a half years. (laughs) Are you gonna go after your $100 if he's late or it's, it's your... But I'm not saying you shouldn't buy whatever he sells.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Isn't the Roadster thing a different deal though? Don't you have to pay all the money or something?

Matt Farah 24:58 There is a reservation process. It's... All I'm saying is-

Joe Rogan 25:03 I found like the Roadster thing was different though, like it, that requires a substantial sum of money.

Matt Farah 25:07 Right. But we don't, we haven't seen any Roadsters either. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:10 (laughs) Not one.

Matt Farah 25:11 And-

Joe Rogan 25:11 But we saw, we saw the prototype.

Matt Farah 25:13 Yeah, but it's easy to build a prototype when you're Tesla.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 25:16 Tesla can build a prototype very easily. They've got an electric skateboard. They can put any body on it, it'll look and feel like a mostly running driving car.

Joe Rogan 25:22 What's it say here? "45,000, $5,000 credit card payment plus $45,000-"

Matt Farah 25:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:27 "... wire transfer due in f- in 10 days."

Matt Farah 25:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:30 So you gotta put up $50,000-

Matt Farah 25:34 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 ... which is-

Matt Farah 25:34 So he's giving him a zero interest loan of $50,000-

Joe Rogan 25:38 Yeah. Which is-

Matt Farah 25:38 ... until he delivers this product.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Which is like a good income-

Matt Farah 25:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:41 ... for a lot of people for a year.

Matt Farah 25:42 Yeah, and so-

Joe Rogan 25:43 And you gotta give it up.

Matt Farah 25:44 Correct, and so-

Joe Rogan 25:45 And wait.

Matt Farah 25:45 I'm not saying that they don't build and sell real cars. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy one or lease one. I am saying, and this goes for... Let's, let's expand this, I'm not, this isn't a dig at Elon or Tesla specifically. Let's talk about all cars. Don't pay for something that isn't then handed to you.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Mm-hmm, good point.

Matt Farah 26:03 'Cause there's no... Elon's a billionaire, why do you need to give him a zero interest loan of $50,000 for a Roadster?

Joe Rogan 26:10 It's a lot of money.

Matt Farah 26:10 Why do you need to give him a zero interest loan of $100 for a truck that he hasn't demonstrated he could build yet?

Joe Rogan 26:15 Why do you think they made the Roadster 50 grand and the down payment for the, the truck only a hundred bucks?

Matt Farah 26:21 Because, I will tell you why, becau- uh, why I bel- I believe.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Okay.

Matt Farah 26:25 I believe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put this in I believe, okay?

Joe Rogan 26:28 Okay.

Matt Farah 26:28 I believe it's so they could go to a, a bank or a VC, because if it's only $100 you get al- you get so many what the fuck.

Joe Rogan 26:36 Oh, right. Yeah.

Matt Farah 26:36 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 26:37 500,000 orders.

Matt Farah 26:38 You go, "I've got 250,000 orders, I need a billion dollars." That's why you would do that.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Ah.

Matt Farah 26:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:44 Look at you, clever boy.

Matt Farah 26:45 'Cause look, here's... The problem is if, if it's legitimate, okay, if it's all on the up and up, if everything is on the up and up, there's a lot of (laughs) individual pieces that don't really add up.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Right.

Matt Farah 26:56 And, uh, and a house that's not made of... You know, it's like imagine the m- the m- the mortgage crisis in '08, you took all these bad mortgages and you put them together and all of a sudden it's considered a good investment, right? So he smashed the fucking window on stage. (laughs) He quoted a bunch of power and torque figures that are basically made up. He did that dumb video with tug of war the F-150 that was completely fake. And-

Joe Rogan 27:18 Why is it fake?

Matt Farah 27:20 The F-150 was in two-wheel drive and he was towing it uphill. That's not like... If you're gonna make up-

Joe Rogan 27:26 Isn't it easier for the car to drive downhill than uphill?

Matt Farah 27:29 It... No. Towing uphill while it would be... The weight transfer is, is... If you have a two-wheel drive pickup truck going downhill... My friend Jason Fenske at Engineering Explained did a whole video explaining, debunking this.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Ah.

Matt Farah 27:43 But if you have an all-wheel drive extremely heavy vehicle, 'cause let's be honest if they build that truck, that's a 6500 pound vehicle. Steel and batteries.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Right.

Matt Farah 27:52 All-wheel drive. Versus a pickup truck that's put into two-wheel drive with no weight in the bed.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Right.

Matt Farah 27:59 That's just... So it's like all automakers make up silly games to show up their product, right?

Joe Rogan 28:06 Right.

Matt Farah 28:06 They tow the space shuttle or whatever bullshit-

Joe Rogan 28:08 Yeah.

Matt Farah 28:08 ... they do, right?

Joe Rogan 28:10 Yeah.

Matt Farah 28:10 But they make up a game they know they can win. They don't make up a game and then cheat at it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:15 Right.

Matt Farah 28:16 Like why are you gonna do a tug of war video if you then have to cheat at the video on video to do it? Like pick a different game you know you can win.

Joe Rogan 28:25 (laughs)

Matt Farah 28:25 (laughs) Like what, what kind of a person makes up a game and then cheats at it?

Joe Rogan 28:29 Ah.

Matt Farah 28:29 Like that's just...

Joe Rogan 28:30 Well, yeah, Ford wanted to get one of their own, they're like, "Well, why don't you give us one of your Teslas, let us do a video."

Matt Farah 28:34 Yes, and then somebody up at, up at the top said, "Don't engage that idiot, what are you doing? I'm not doing this."

Joe Rogan 28:39 Yeah.

Matt Farah 28:40 I... So look, uh, again...

Joe Rogan 28:41 Well, they probably can't, well, realistically they can't really compete with it.

Matt Farah 28:46 I-

Joe Rogan 28:46 With the amount of power-

Matt Farah 28:46 I think a tug of war test-

Joe Rogan 28:48 ... and torque that electric vehicle has.

Matt Farah 28:48 ... is not a, it's not a test of anything. It's a test of weight and tire grip.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Right.

Matt Farah 28:53 That's it.

Joe Rogan 28:53 But when you're d- a truck guy you gotta realize like-

Matt Farah 28:56 It's a thing they do.

Joe Rogan 28:56 ... a truck guy is like-

Matt Farah 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 ... "Uh, what, who's gonna win?"

Matt Farah 28:59 Bro, let's bring that-

Joe Rogan 29:00 "Who needs..."

Matt Farah 29:00 Let's bring that Cybertruck over to a gravel pit and dump two tons of gravel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:04 Yeah, let's put a dead elk-

Matt Farah 29:05 (laughs) Of gravel in the bed. (laughs) Did you see any like of the renderings of people like camping in the Cybertruck?

Joe Rogan 29:11 Yeah.

Matt Farah 29:11 It looks absurd.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Well, yeah.

Matt Farah 29:14 And just like, dude, like you wanna fucking, you know, you wanna buy one, w- wait till he sh- says this is the one you can buy.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Oh, I haven't put an order in.

Matt Farah 29:23 Yeah, I just, I don't think-

Joe Rogan 29:24 But I would.

Matt Farah 29:24 I don't think-

Joe Rogan 29:25 20 hundred bucks.

Matt Farah 29:26 Congratulations, you just bought-

Joe Rogan 29:28 (laughs)

Matt Farah 29:28 ... into the scam. That's, that's, that's... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 29:31 I understand. I, I see what you're saying.

Matt Farah 29:33 Like I don't think it's like a full-on fraud, I just think he's figured out creative ways to, to get the public to bankroll shit-

Joe Rogan 29:41 Yeah.

Matt Farah 29:41 ... that he already said was done. Bro, a million robo-taxis by 2020. Where's the robo-taxis, bro?

Joe Rogan 29:48 Is that what he said?

Matt Farah 29:50 Yeah, this Cybertruck thing came out of seemingly nowhere, but right kind of at the same time that they figured out that full self-driving is not right around the corner as they said it was.

Joe Rogan 30:00 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 30:00 There's a lot of backtracking going on in the full self-driving.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 30:03 Level five is not coming anytime soon. You're not gonna be able to send your Tesla out to do errands for you without a driver in it anytime soon.

Joe Rogan 30:12 What was the parking... What Tesla promises-

Matt Farah 30:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:15 ... one million robo-taxis 20-

Matt Farah 30:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:17 That was from 2019, four-

Matt Farah 30:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:19 ... before '19.

Matt Farah 30:20 I mean technically they have a year-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Wow, it's only April.

Matt Farah 30:21 ... and a month left, but they have delivered zero robo-taxis. (laughs) That's a lot of robo-taxis-

Joe Rogan 30:26 Yeah.

Matt Farah 30:26 They gotta deliver.

Joe Rogan 30:27 A million?

Matt Farah 30:28 He did, he said that shit, man.

Joe Rogan 30:29 Yeah. Well-

Matt Farah 30:30 The problem with Tesla is Elon says some shit that then is impossible, and then they have to figure out how to do it later, and sometimes it doesn't work.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Do you know who Kyle Donegan is?

Matt Farah 30:39 No, who's that?

Joe Rogan 30:39 One of the funniest guys alive. He's got the best Instagram on the planet, and he does face swaps.

Matt Farah 30:44 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 30:45 In his video... You- you- you, now that you know, you didn't know-

Matt Farah 30:47 Is it the deep fake guy?

Joe Rogan 30:48 Now that you know, he does a lot... Well, Dr. Fakenstein did a lot of his-

Matt Farah 30:51 Oh, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:52 ... or the fakening, the fakening.

Matt Farah 30:53 The fakening, that's the one. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:54 But look at his newest one. Gi- give me some volume on this, give me some volume on this, and then go to full screen.

Narrator 30:59 Yeah.

Matt Farah 31:00 Oh, my God. How creepy.

Narrator 31:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:04 Yeah. (laughs) Look it.

Narrator 31:05 Fuck. Fucking shit. (laughs)

31:08 (laughs)

Matt Farah 31:08 (laughs)

Narrator 31:08 Oh, great idea, Elon. Do it again.

Matt Farah 31:10 (laughs)

Narrator 31:11 Same window, same ball. This should go differently.

Matt Farah 31:14 (laughs)

Narrator 31:14 Nope. (screams)

31:15 (laughs) Oh, fucking shit.

Matt Farah 31:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:16 (laughs)

Narrator 31:17 You fool. Now I, Mark Zuckerberg, is officially cooler than you.

31:22 No, I'm cooler. I make rockets. That's cool.

31:25 Well, I connect the world through Facebook. I'm cooler.

31:29 I'm double cooler. Double.

31:31 Uh, I'm infinity cool.

Joe Rogan 31:33 (laughs) Oh, my God.

Narrator 31:33 I'm infinity plus one. That's one more cooler.

Matt Farah 31:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:37 (laughs)

Narrator 31:37 You can't add anything to infinity, you fool.

31:40 Only a nerd who's uncool would know that. (laughs) Very uncool.

Matt Farah 31:46 (laughs)

Narrator 31:46 W- well, how about this?

Joe Rogan 31:47 This is too close, dude. This is too real.

Narrator 31:49 Because of the face book, I have all the data, and I found this invention you unveiled in high school.

31:54 So- so it- it senses if you're getting a boner in class and then deploys this over you...

Joe Rogan 32:00 Nope, nope, nope. No don't show that. Nope, don't show that. Very uncool. Very uncool of you. (laughs)

Narrator 32:01 ... so it deploys this over you, uh, so letting everyone know you don't have a boner. So, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. I know I could use this in Ms. Tinsley's class. (laughs) She's got great boobs. Great boobs, Ms. Tinsley. Great boobs. Yeah.

Matt Farah 32:15 Fucking weird. That smashing of the glass-

Joe Rogan 32:17 I'm gonna...

Matt Farah 32:17 ... is one of the, was one of the greatest moments in automotive history.

Joe Rogan 32:19 So stupid.

Matt Farah 32:20 I was laying in bed, and my wife was next to me asleep. And out of nowhere, (screams) (laughs) "Oh shit, he did it again." (screams) (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:31 Why did they think that they could do that?

Matt Farah 32:34 I don't know. It's, it's one of the-

Joe Rogan 32:35 I don't understand that.

Matt Farah 32:36 There's a...

Joe Rogan 32:36 I know that the idea was that-

Matt Farah 32:38 There's...

Joe Rogan 32:38 ... when they hit the wall or hit the door with the hammer, that it broke the glass, or that-

Matt Farah 32:43 No, the... First they, he was gonna hit the door-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Loosen the glass.

Matt Farah 32:45 ... with a sledgehammer.

Joe Rogan 32:46 They did that.

Matt Farah 32:47 But except he was using an orange hammer, which is a dead blow hammer, not a sledgehammer. So that's a little disingenuous.

Joe Rogan 32:52 Dead blow? What's that mean?

Matt Farah 32:53 Yeah, it's designed to not dent things. (laughs) It's designed to hit things without denting them.

Joe Rogan 32:57 Oh, so it's rubber.

Matt Farah 32:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Oh.

Matt Farah 32:59 Then he said the windows-

Joe Rogan 33:01 But still, it would dent the fuck out of a regular Tesla door.

Matt Farah 33:02 ... were bulletproof. Probably, 'cause they're aluminum. But not a thick-

Joe Rogan 33:04 Right.

Matt Farah 33:04 ... stainless steel panel.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Right.

Matt Farah 33:06 It wouldn't dent a stainless steel panel.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Mm-mm.

Matt Farah 33:08 And then he goes, "The windows are bulletproof," (laughs) or whatever.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Mm.

Matt Farah 33:12 Throws a fucking steel ball right through it. (laughs) And then he puts up a video the next day that's like, "Oh, here was us testing it right before the sh- reveal where it actually worked."

Joe Rogan 33:21 They did show that it worked before. Why did it work before?

Matt Farah 33:24 How do you know the video was made before and not after-

Joe Rogan 33:26 I think it's fake.

Matt Farah 33:26 ... after they "fixed" it? There's a Shop-Vac on the floor and a towel over the door as if you had just cleaned up a bunch of broken glass. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:32 That's true.

Matt Farah 33:33 Yeah, go look at the video. There's a Shop-Vac on the floor with the hose laid out, like, right underneath the door.

Joe Rogan 33:37 Mm, look at that.

Matt Farah 33:38 Look. Shop-Vac. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:40 Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's true.

Matt Farah 33:41 And that towel's over a door, kind of maybe if you had just smashed a bunch of glass out of it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:47 That's true.

Matt Farah 33:49 Bro.

Joe Rogan 33:50 That... Come on, man. That is a dope looking car. I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks. I don't care.

Matt Farah 33:54 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 33:55 I'm all in.

Matt Farah 33:55 I'm glad you don't care what he thinks. If they make that, I will be ex-... And can I just bring up, w- what... Is the word cyber, like, cool now?

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yes.

Matt Farah 34:05 Like, cyber was exclusively uncool-

Joe Rogan 34:07 Very cool.

Matt Farah 34:07 ... for, like, the last 15 years.

Joe Rogan 34:09 No, no, no.

Matt Farah 34:09 It's cool again?

Joe Rogan 34:09 Very cool.

Matt Farah 34:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:12 Cool. Very cool.

Matt Farah 34:13 Only nerds, only a real nerd would, would know that cyber is cool.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Oh, oh. Very cool.

Matt Farah 34:17 Cool plus one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:18 (laughs)

Matt Farah 34:19 Fucking hell. It's so silly.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Well, you saw, I'm sure you've seen that Rezvani-

Matt Farah 34:24 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 34:24 ... military bulletproof car that releases tacks, electrifies the door handle.

Matt Farah 34:30 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 34:30 You know, I was at the fucking gas station-

Matt Farah 34:31 I had a really bad experience with a Rezvani. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:33 I was at the gas station once pumping gas and this fucking Rezvani pulls up. I'm like, "Who is driving that fucking thing?"

Matt Farah 34:40 It was a Tyrese.

Joe Rogan 34:41 And Jamie Foxx jumps out.

Matt Farah 34:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:42 He goes, "What's up, Joe Rogan?" I was like, "What's up, Jamie?" (laughs)

Matt Farah 34:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:45 And he goes... Jamie Foxx-

Matt Farah 34:47 Oh, is he a spokesman? He's gotta be a spokesman or something, right?

Joe Rogan 34:50 Um, I think he's friends with the guy who owns it-

Matt Farah 34:53 Bro.

Joe Rogan 34:53 ... and the guy gave it to him or something.

Matt Farah 34:54 That's hysterical.

Joe Rogan 34:55 I don't think he's a spokesman. Jamie's busy.

Matt Farah 34:58 I, uh, I met, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:58 He's busy winning Oscars and making Grammies. He's got no time to be a spokesman for a tank.

Matt Farah 35:02 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 35:03 (laughs)

Matt Farah 35:03 I drove this company's other car. They have a car called the Beast, the Rezvani Beast.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Oh, let me see what that looks like.

Matt Farah 35:09 I drove it. It, it wasn't good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:12 Oh, it didn't look-

Matt Farah 35:12 No.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Well, it's based on a Wrangler, right?

Matt Farah 35:13 No. Well, the Beat... The Tank is.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Right.

Matt Farah 35:15 The Beast is based on an Ariel Atom.

Joe Rogan 35:17 What?

Matt Farah 35:17 Do you know what that is?

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah.

Matt Farah 35:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 The three-wheeled thing or the four-wheel, the little tank thing?

Matt Farah 35:20 No, that- no, it's a four-wheeler, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Oh, that looks so good though.

Matt Farah 35:22 Right, so-

Joe Rogan 35:23 That's not good?

Matt Farah 35:23 No. So, Jamie, the red one with no roof in the middle.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Wait a minute. No, no, no, no.

Matt Farah 35:26 That's the one I drove.

Joe Rogan 35:27 Give me that. Oh, my God.

Matt Farah 35:28 So that's the one I drove.

Joe Rogan 35:30 That's not good?

Matt Farah 35:31 It's not.

Joe Rogan 35:31 How is that not good?

Matt Farah 35:31 It's not. It must look-

Joe Rogan 35:32 How is it possible?

Matt Farah 35:32 So, what they've done there is they took an Ariel Atom, which is a car that has no body on it.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Right, yeah.

Matt Farah 35:38 Right? It's like driving a fucking sled, basically.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Yeah.

Matt Farah 35:41 And they're crazy. They're batshit.

Joe Rogan 35:43 Yeah.

Matt Farah 35:43 And they made body work that goes over it. That's pretty much what they've done. Okay? But in order to make it look kinda badass, like a supercar, they've made... They put these really wide wheels and tires on the car.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yes. Yes.

Matt Farah 35:58 Which, when you have an Ariel Atom that has no power steering and a very-

Joe Rogan 36:02 Oh.

Matt Farah 36:02 ... dialed in and, and even sort of twitchy steering rack... This thing had one of the sketchiest... I mean, the sketchiest handling of, of... Top five sketchiest handling cars I've ever driven.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Look at the doors, how the door's opening.

Matt Farah 36:16 Yeah, it's a real interesting kinda door design. I've never seen one that had those doors...

Joe Rogan 36:20 They slide forward?

Matt Farah 36:20 That looks CGI-ish a little bit.

Joe Rogan 36:22 That seems super annoying.

Matt Farah 36:23 It's like the re- the reverse minivan door.

Joe Rogan 36:25 Go back to that black one. Yeah, look at that. Oh.

Matt Farah 36:27 Look, I admit, it looks, it does look pretty cool. It's a, it's a badass looking thing but it's, it's, um... It just didn't drive good.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Oh, that's too bad.

Matt Farah 36:35 And the guy got kinda mad at me when I made a video saying that it didn't drive good.

Joe Rogan 36:39 He got mad at you?

Matt Farah 36:40 He got a little mad. He was a little upset.

Joe Rogan 36:41 What did he expect? You were gonna only promote his thing for free?

Matt Farah 36:44 I don't know. I think sometimes they expect that, yes. I think it's weird.

Joe Rogan 36:46 That's, that's really silly. You gotta do a better job of making the thing.

Matt Farah 36:49 (laughs) I think now I do.

Joe Rogan 36:51 Send him to the Taycan review.

Matt Farah 36:52 Yo.

Joe Rogan 36:53 And go, "Hey, look at this. This is what happens when something's good."

Matt Farah 36:54 We should talk about the Taycan. 'Cause we talked about it for two seconds and got away from it.

Joe Rogan 36:58 Dude, your video's insane. It looks like you're about to fly off the road and into space.

Matt Farah 37:02 It is.

Joe Rogan 37:03 ... might be a problem.

Matt Farah 37:04 So it actually is, I think, I think we're at a point-

Joe Rogan 37:07 Yeah.

Matt Farah 37:07 … really, where cars are actually too fast-

Joe Rogan 37:10 I think that-

Matt Farah 37:10 … just to sell to regular people.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Well, I think that all the time and I, I made that argument about the ZR1-

Matt Farah 37:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:15 … because it's so sketchy to drive with the rear-wheel drive.

Matt Farah 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:18 I'm like, "You're selling a 750 horsepower car to someone like me."

Matt Farah 37:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:22 Who, at least I know how to drive a little bit.

Matt Farah 37:23 Dude, you are probably in the top 20% (laughs) of people-

Joe Rogan 37:26 (laughs) Yeah.

Matt Farah 37:27 … in terms of driving a billion dollar car.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Yeah, I can drive a little.

Matt Farah 37:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 But th- there's a lot of people that get those, they don't know what happens when you stomp on the gas and go sideways.

Matt Farah 37:34 No.

Joe Rogan 37:34 And like that fucking poor guy in Kevin Hart.

Matt Farah 37:37 (sighs) .

Joe Rogan 37:38 There's a l- you know, when I saw that, and I saw the fucking lines on the street-

Matt Farah 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:42 … and then off his j- I'm like, "This guy doesn't know how to drive one of those."

Matt Farah 37:44 Yeah, that's a gnarly-

Joe Rogan 37:45 You can't let someone do that.

Matt Farah 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 You got a Hellcat engine, a rear-wheel drive car-

Matt Farah 37:49 It was a 'Cuda, right? Like a '70 'Cuda?

Joe Rogan 37:50 Yes. A '70 'Cuda. Yeah. By the way-

Matt Farah 37:52 Shh, double the horsepower of stock.

Joe Rogan 37:54 I bought my '70 'Cuda back.

Matt Farah 37:55 I heard you did.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Yeah.

Matt Farah 37:56 Congratulations.

Joe Rogan 37:57 Thanks very much.

Matt Farah 37:57 You gonna make it handle?

Joe Rogan 37:58 Sending it to Roaster Shop.

Matt Farah 37:59 Oh, yeah. Perfect.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah.

Matt Farah 38:00 They'll do, they'll do a good job.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah.

Matt Farah 38:01 Yeah, yeah. But, but with th- with Kevin's crash, he was not driving, right? Someone else was driving?

Joe Rogan 38:05 No, his friend was driving, and his friend stomped on the gas, and the car went fucking sideways, and he didn't know what to do.

Matt Farah 38:12 Yeah. Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 38:12 You just can't do that with regular folks. You got, if you're gonna have a car like that-

Matt Farah 38:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 … y- you gotta say, "Hey, man, have you ever driven a real muscle car before?"

Matt Farah 38:19 (laughs) . Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:20 How about one with 750 fucking horsepower?

Matt Farah 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 You can't do that, man. You gotta understand what you're doing.

Matt Farah 38:25 And I think a 'Cuda is probably 500 or 600 pounds lighter than an, a Hellcat too.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Probably.

Matt Farah 38:30 I mean, really light-

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yeah.

Matt Farah 38:31 … and really gnarly. And, you know, with those, with those custom builds like that-

Joe Rogan 38:36 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 38:36 … you know, it's, it's, it's hard. I think someone's suing the, the shop that built it-

Joe Rogan 38:40 They're all suing because it-

Matt Farah 38:40 … which is really unfortunate, um-

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah, it's like they're suing because of the waist belts, th- no roll cage, all that shit.

Matt Farah 38:48 (soft music) Fuck outta here.

Joe Rogan 38:48 I think the, I hope, I, I, you know, I hope they don't win. I hope they don't win too.

Matt Farah 38:50 Because if, if they do, it's a really bad scene for custom cars all over. But even brand new cars. You know, I just had a McLaren 720, um, which is my favorite s- uh, supercar on the moment at the, on the market right now. And this thing is, is 800 horsepower.

Joe Rogan 39:04 It's a demon of a car.

Matt Farah 39:05 Have you driven one?

Joe Rogan 39:06 No, but I've seen them.

Matt Farah 39:07 It's fucking crazy, dude. I was at Auto Club Speedway, the, the NASCAR track. 180 miles an hour on the front straight.

Joe Rogan 39:13 What?

Matt Farah 39:13 I mean, yeah. And, and if you turn-

Joe Rogan 39:16 How much does it weigh?

Matt Farah 39:17 30, 100 pounds.

Joe Rogan 39:19 (laughs) Pow.

Matt Farah 39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:19 800 horsepower?

Matt Farah 39:20 Look, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 39:21 Ah.

Matt Farah 39:21 Look, that's me. That's me ge- about to get-

Joe Rogan 39:22 Oh, my god.

Matt Farah 39:22 … black-flagged for drifting (laughs) in a track day (wheezes) .

Joe Rogan 39:25 Really?

Matt Farah 39:26 Yeah (wheezes) .

Joe Rogan 39:26 They give you a black flag?

Matt Farah 39:27 Yeah, they don't like when you're drifting in track days.

Joe Rogan 39:29 But if you said it was a mistake?

Matt Farah 39:30 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 39:30 I didn't know how much horsepower it had.

Matt Farah 39:32 Oh, I got black-flagged on, like, the 10th slide (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 39:34 Oh.

Matt Farah 39:34 If you do it once, you can be like, "Oh, I'm managing the throttle."

Joe Rogan 39:37 Whoopsies. Trying to figure that out.

Matt Farah 39:38 When the, when the smoke is wafting across- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:41 Oh, and you're like...

Matt Farah 39:42 ... all this trail off.

Joe Rogan 39:43 (imitates engine revving)

Matt Farah 39:44 But with that car, I mean...

Joe Rogan 39:45 Wow.

Matt Farah 39:45 Oh, my god, it's so fucking good, Joe.

Joe Rogan 39:48 (laughs) .

Matt Farah 39:48 Joe, that car is, in my opinion, the pinnacle of gasoline-powered streetcar performance.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Really?

Matt Farah 39:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 That's a strong statement from you.

Matt Farah 39:57 I think- I've never driven... 'Cause you know why? It's not just that it's batshit fast, 'cause that, a l- other cars are batshit fast too, although very few are this fast. It has this magic suspension technology. It doesn't have sway bars. Do you know how sway bars work?

Joe Rogan 40:10 Yeah.

Matt Farah 40:11 So you can put a stiffer sway bar in your car, and it makes it roll less in corners.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Yeah.

Matt Farah 40:15 So typically, you have to trade off, you know, roll and compliance for stiffness and performance.

Joe Rogan 40:21 Right.

Matt Farah 40:22 The 720 does not use sway bars. Instead, it uses an electronically actuated independent valve system that allows you to mimic an infinite number of sway bar combinations in between, you know, full stiff and nonexistent.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Wow.

Matt Farah 40:41 So when you put the car into comfort mode, I'm, I shit you not, it rides like a Rolls-Royce. Like a Rolls-Royce. Not even like a 5 Series BMW or your Tesla. Like a Rolls-Royce. And then you crank it to track and you go full Drifto, and it's just bonsai time.

Joe Rogan 40:57 How much is one of those?

Matt Farah 40:58 F- that one is a Spider, so it's 450,000.

Joe Rogan 41:02 (whistles) .

Matt Farah 41:02 You can buy them used. The problem with McLarens and buying them new is they depreciate like crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Oh, do they?

Matt Farah 41:08 So you could buy almost exactly the same car, like, two years old for, like, 250.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Really?

Matt Farah 41:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:12 That much?

Matt Farah 41:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Oh, my god. Didn't Stylebender buy one of those? He bought a McLaren, but did he, did he buy that model? Do you know who Stylebender is?

Matt Farah 41:19 No, who's that?

Joe Rogan 41:20 You ever see-

Matt Farah 41:20 I know the name sounds familiar.

Joe Rogan 41:21 UFC Middleweight Champion.

Matt Farah 41:22 Oh, cool.

Joe Rogan 41:23 Bad motherfucker.

Matt Farah 41:24 I, I, I, uh, I've tried to, I've tried to listen to so much of your fighting shows. I can't... I'm just not that into it.

Joe Rogan 41:30 I get it.

Matt Farah 41:30 It's okay.

Joe Rogan 41:31 It's all right.

Matt Farah 41:31 It's okay. But-

Joe Rogan 41:32 You're in a lot of shit though, I'm sure.

Matt Farah 41:33 Oh, yeah. He's got a 720. There it is. That's the car.

Joe Rogan 41:36 There it is. There you go then.

Matt Farah 41:36 Yep, that's a 720. And if that's his garage, he's got a 675LT in the background as well.

Joe Rogan 41:40 I think that's where he bought it, yeah.

Matt Farah 41:42 Oh, okay. Cool.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Yeah.

Matt Farah 41:43 Yeah, no. He's got... That's, that's the right car for sure.

Joe Rogan 41:45 That's a, it's a Spider too, so the roof comes up and back. (whistles)

Matt Farah 41:47 11, 11 seconds while you're driving.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Whoa.

Matt Farah 41:50 11 seconds up and down.

Joe Rogan 41:51 How fast can you go? What's happening?

Matt Farah 41:52 Uh, I think it's up to, up to 40 or something. You can go pretty-

Joe Rogan 41:55 Jeez.

Matt Farah 41:55 ... you can be going pretty good.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Christ.

Matt Farah 41:57 Yeah, I'd, I'd put it up just while driving around and-

Joe Rogan 41:59 Really?

Matt Farah 41:59 Yeah, and I drove it through the rain, and I learned that if you go 74 miles an hour, you stay dry. Keep it over 74 with the top down, you're staying dry.

Joe Rogan 42:07 So it just whistles past you.

Matt Farah 42:08 Right over your head.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Wow.

Matt Farah 42:11 Yep (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 42:11 But what if you stop at a red light and your car-

Matt Farah 42:12 Oh, no, you're done. It's gotta happen on the highway.

Joe Rogan 42:14 But 11 seconds later-

Matt Farah 42:14 But you make the sickest rooster tails. This car makes the sickest rooster tails. If you hammer down in the rain, 'cause it, it spools up the water out the, the, like, the diffuser-

Joe Rogan 42:26 Uh-huh.

Matt Farah 42:26 ... and it gets hit with the exhaust, and it does, like, a Top Gun swirl.

Joe Rogan 42:29 No.

Matt Farah 42:30 It's the fucking tits.

Joe Rogan 42:31 No.

Matt Farah 42:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Is there video of this anywhere?

Matt Farah 42:33 I don't know if I got video of it.

Joe Rogan 42:35 How did you not get video of the sickest thing you've ever seen?

Matt Farah 42:37 (laughs) I don't know (laughs) . Sometimes, sometimes it's a missed opportunity. I'm-

Joe Rogan 42:40 God, that sounds so crazy. It's so much money. $450,000-

Matt Farah 42:45 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 42:45 ... is so much money for a car.

Matt Farah 42:46 I know. It's-

Joe Rogan 42:47 There's so many of these custom cars that people are making now. Like, like Singer with that $1.8 million-

Matt Farah 42:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:53 ... air-cooled-

Matt Farah 42:53 The DLS.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Yeah.

Matt Farah 42:55 Yeah. You know about that thing?

Joe Rogan 42:56 Yes, yes.

Matt Farah 42:56 The Dynamic and Lightweighting-

Joe Rogan 42:58 Lightweight Study.

Matt Farah 42:59 ... Study. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah, what, first of all-

Matt Farah 42:59 Chris Harris was just on my show talking about it.

Joe Rogan 43:01 I, I have a real problem with you calling a car a study.

Matt Farah 43:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:04 Like-

Matt Farah 43:04 I didn't call it that.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Anybody, anybody doing that, like-

Matt Farah 43:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:06 ... settle the fuck down.

Matt Farah 43:07 I'll tell you what, if Elon called that truck a study, I might be-

Joe Rogan 43:10 Stud- m- m- move, move, move hook.

Matt Farah 43:10 ... a little less angry about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:12 It's a study. It's so cool. Super cool.

Matt Farah 43:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:15 (laughs)

Matt Farah 43:15 That's very good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:17 It's made in South Africa.

Matt Farah 43:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:19 Yeah, that thing-

Matt Farah 43:20 So the Dats, the DLS, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:21 ... that is a $1.8 million car that's not nearly as fast as that McLaren.

Matt Farah 43:25 No, but it's got one of the gnarliest engines that money could buy at any price.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Mm-hmm. Yeah, the sound.

Matt Farah 43:32 They have... That engine, and specifically in that, is a four liter deve- co-developed by a guy named Hans Metzger, who developed the engine in your GT3 RS.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 43:42 He's a legend. The Met- the legendary Metzger engine.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Metzger engine. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Matt Farah 43:45 Which people talk about at Porsche. Co-developed by Metzger and Williams, the Formula 1 team.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Jamie, pull up the video of that so we can hear the sound.

Matt Farah 43:53 So, the sound of this... I think it revs to, like, ten-five.

Joe Rogan 43:56 What?

Matt Farah 43:56 Yeah. It revs-

Joe Rogan 43:58 No.

Matt Farah 43:58 It's... 'Cause this is the first ever air cooled 911 engine that has a four-valve head.

Joe Rogan 44:04 9000 RPM. Look at that.

Matt Farah 44:07 Yeah. Um, I thought it revs to above nine, but it's, it's bananas. Oh, this is Chris Harris driving up the hill at Goodwood, I believe.

Narrator 44:15 That's good.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Wow. Look at the car.

Matt Farah 44:16 Look at, look at the exhaust.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Carbon fiber everything.

Matt Farah 44:18 Dude, this car is bananas.

Joe Rogan 44:21 God, it's so pretty.

Matt Farah 44:22 I don't know who's driving it. That's the, that's the, um...

Joe Rogan 44:23 You gotta be so rich to even consider this.

Matt Farah 44:26 Well, you know how they ended up doing this. They literally had a customer who came to them and said, "You know, half a million for the normal car, that's great and all, but what if I give you a full-on blank check?" Full blank check. This is what they end up with, blank check.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Give me some volume. Give me some volume.

Matt Farah 44:42 Yeah, turn this shit up. (engine roaring) Bro-

Joe Rogan 44:49 Woo.

Matt Farah 44:49 See, that's what you need in your life. Listen to this fly by. (engine roaring)

Joe Rogan 44:54 It's great. But let me be honest with you-

Matt Farah 44:57 That's not-

Joe Rogan 44:57 ... it's not-

Matt Farah 44:57 ... a $400,000 engine.

Joe Rogan 44:59 It's not as cool as a Sharkwerks 911 GT3 RS.

Matt Farah 45:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:05 It's not, because a Sharkwerks is just as fast. You could drive it anywhere, you park it anywhere. It handles probably better.

Matt Farah 45:13 Maybe. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 45:14 Sounds just as good.

Matt Farah 45:15 Bro, there is no rhyme or reason or math that leads you to buy (laughs) something like this.

Joe Rogan 45:20 No. Like, the air cooled thing is a weird world's what I'm getting into.

Matt Farah 45:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:23 That world's weird. Like, if you had a 500 horsepower engine anywhere else that cost you 400 grand, people would kill you.

Matt Farah 45:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:29 You go-

Matt Farah 45:30 What?

Joe Rogan 45:30 Air cooled is like-

Matt Farah 45:30 "What are you talking about? They'd beat you to death."

Narrator 45:32 Did we talk-

Matt Farah 45:33 "Did you just charge me $400,000 for a fucking engine?"

Narrator 45:35 Yes. (laughs)

Matt Farah 45:36 "I'll kill you."

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yeah.

Matt Farah 45:37 Did we talk about this on the last show?

Joe Rogan 45:39 Um, no, we talked about this in text.

Matt Farah 45:40 Okay. The, the value-

Joe Rogan 45:41 We were talking about... Yes.

Matt Farah 45:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Explain that.

Matt Farah 45:43 Air cooled horsepower-

Joe Rogan 45:44 Yeah.

Matt Farah 45:44 ... is like the worst value in motoring.

Joe Rogan 45:47 Yeah.

Matt Farah 45:48 So if you want, like... Let's say you're starting with an engine that works. You buy a regular car. Like, my Carrera is an '87. It's... My P- Porsche star- You're starting with an '87 Carrera, okay? And, and you go in and you have an engine that works, and you go to a performance shop and you say, "This engine makes about 200 horsepower as it is. I want it to make 300 horsepower." You have to give him your engine and probably $50,000 or $60,000. If you want that engine to make 350 horsepower, you probably have to give him $100,000. And if you want that engine to make 400 horsepower, you have to give him a quarter of a million dollars.

Joe Rogan 46:24 (laughs)

Matt Farah 46:24 That's what it costs to get that type of... So when you see cars like a Singer-

Joe Rogan 46:29 God.

Matt Farah 46:29 ... where you go, "Okay, here's a Singer 911 and, and it's 600 grand," a quarter of a million dollars is that is the engine. A Singer's got 50 grand in leather in it.

Joe Rogan 46:38 What?

Matt Farah 46:38 50 grand in raw leather materials.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Just the materials?

Matt Farah 46:40 Just the materials.

Joe Rogan 46:41 Oh, God.

Matt Farah 46:42 Yeah. That shit adds up, like, real fast, too.

Joe Rogan 46:44 I would imag- Well, the interiors of those things are special.

Matt Farah 46:47 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:47 They're really special.

Matt Farah 46:48 Really, really special.

Joe Rogan 46:49 But I mean, I guess, like, that's what that Rob guy wanted to do, right?

Matt Farah 46:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Like, he's, he's-

Matt Farah 46:53 Cost is no object.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Yeah. He's really into-

Matt Farah 46:56 Everything is important.

Joe Rogan 46:56 ... bespoke everything and... Their whole thing, everything is important, you know.

Matt Farah 46:59 And there is a market for it too.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Yeah.

Matt Farah 47:01 I mean, John Ward with your Bronco over there is maybe a half a bump down from that.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Yeah.

Matt Farah 47:05 Not quite as obsessed, but, but on that same level.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Matt Farah 47:09 You know.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Yeah, yeah.

Matt Farah 47:09 Um-

Joe Rogan 47:09 Those aren't cheap. Yeah.

Matt Farah 47:10 No, the Icon stuff is great, and they've, they've got great taste. I think it's, it's weird-

Joe Rogan 47:14 He's got great style.

Matt Farah 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 What I love about Jonathan Ward is his style, like what he's into.

Matt Farah 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 Like, I love that he makes those derelicts.

Matt Farah 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 And the way the guy talks about it-

Matt Farah 47:22 His taste is perfect.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Ah, he's got amazing taste.

Matt Farah 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 His d- his ideas and design taste.

Matt Farah 47:28 Uh, but I just had a thought. Earlier you were kind of lamenting how these modern super cars aren't analog and they don't do st-

Joe Rogan 47:35 Yeah.

Matt Farah 47:35 That right there is where companies like Singer and Icon come in.

Joe Rogan 47:39 Yes.

Matt Farah 47:39 They will deliver you that analog, uh... Not just an analog product. They'll deliver you the... Like, in 1999, Porsche stopped making air cooled engines. They started making water cooled engines. But, like, Singer and a- and some other people are like, "Well, what if you continued developing the air cooled engine-"

Joe Rogan 47:57 Right.

Matt Farah 47:57 ... from where Porsche left off?" And so that is how you end up with, you know, half a million dollars, uh, because people that have this kind of money are willing to pay for that analog experience, but without any sacrifice at all, you know.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Or the $1.8 million version.

Matt Farah 48:16 Well, that's... I think they made, I don't know how many, 20 or 30 of those. But that, that's-

Joe Rogan 48:19 20 or 30?

Matt Farah 48:20 Bro, these fucking Saudis and these Chinese guys. It's not-

Joe Rogan 48:24 (laughs)

Matt Farah 48:24 You're... There's no either or. There's no either or anymore. You know what I mean? With these million dollar plus cars-

Joe Rogan 48:29 Right.

Matt Farah 48:29 ... it's all the same 300 people.

Joe Rogan 48:32 Really?

Matt Farah 48:32 Yes. They all... The average Bugatti owner has, like, 50 cars. 50.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Really?

Matt Farah 48:37 Not fucking five or 10. Yeah. It's the same 300 people-

Joe Rogan 48:41 Post Malone has one.

Matt Farah 48:42 ... just hoovering up shit.

Joe Rogan 48:44 So is Tracy Morgan.

Matt Farah 48:45 I know. Tracy Morgan crashed his on the first day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:47 Tracy Morgan, like, first day.

Matt Farah 48:49 Tracy Morgan, I... I love, I love seeing Tracy Morgan in a Bugatti. That, to me, is just-

Joe Rogan 48:56 It's ridiculous.

Matt Farah 48:57 Fucking spend that Walmart money, motherfucker. (laughs) Spend all of it.

Joe Rogan 49:00 How much did they give him from the crash?

Matt Farah 49:02 I don't think anyone's ever said but it's... I mean, it was tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

Joe Rogan 49:07 It's a lot of money. I mean, he's-

Matt Farah 49:08 It's whatever his lifetime earning potential was as Tracy fucking Morgan.

Joe Rogan 49:12 Yeah. He's... It's barely there.

Matt Farah 49:14 That's a Bugatti Grand Sport Vitesse. The, uh, the, uh, the roof comes off.

Joe Rogan 49:19 And he's, um-

Matt Farah 49:20 Look at that fucking Honda Element just turn. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:22 Oh my God.

Matt Farah 49:22 Not Element, a CRV just crushed.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Just turned right into him.

Matt Farah 49:27 Bro, that CRV's insurance is fu-

Joe Rogan 49:32 But that's the kinda car that's gonna hit you, a minivan that doesn't give a fuck about life.

Matt Farah 49:36 I mean that's, you know...

Joe Rogan 49:37 You know they're like, "Ugh."

Matt Farah 49:38 You can, you can worry about that kinda shit, or you can... Yesterday, you know, I was, I was in my, in my off-road 911 here. And there was a double right turn lane, right? And I was on the outside one and someone was on the inside one, and they were on their phone, not fucking paying attention to me. We both make the turn and they, they don't stay in theirs, they just drift into mine.

Joe Rogan 49:55 Of course.

Matt Farah 49:55 So I go into the dirt shoulder and fucking hammer down sideways out the dirt shoulder (laughs) and pass them out of the dirt.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Oh my God.

Matt Farah 50:02 That's why you want an off-road 911. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:04 Yeah, I guess. For those rare moments-

Matt Farah 50:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 50:06 ... when you get driven off by an asshole in a minivan.

Matt Farah 50:08 Yeah. Oh, we took a left, but Taycan.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Taycan.

Matt Farah 50:11 It, it's, it's like 700 horsepower. Uh, so I think it's, I think they're calling it 610 horsepower and 750 torque. But just like the Tesla, the torque is (snaps fingers) instant-

Joe Rogan 50:23 Instantaneous.

Matt Farah 50:23 It's at zero.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Yeah.

Matt Farah 50:24 It's at zero. So you saw in the video I sent you-

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah.

Matt Farah 50:26 ... the fucking launch?

Joe Rogan 50:27 Yeah.

Matt Farah 50:28 It's, you know, we're really splitting hairs here with the Tesla and the Porsche. What, you know, what it does two-four feel different from two-five? Like-

Joe Rogan 50:35 No.

Matt Farah 50:36 I don't know, but my-

Joe Rogan 50:36 Yeah.

Matt Farah 50:36 ... eyes hurt after. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:37 Yeah. Same shit, right?

Matt Farah 50:38 And the Porsche has this really interesting thermal management system. So Tesla, although they do a, a beautiful road car for the city, you know, they've never gone racing. They don't, they don't know about endurance racing or real, real high performance driving. I mean, you've seen them kinda struggle with the Nürburgring a little bit. It's a little harder than it looks over there.

Joe Rogan 50:57 What did happen with the-

Matt Farah 50:58 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 50:58 ... Nürburgring with the Tesla?

Matt Farah 51:00 I think they went over there with a prototype. They took the interior out of it.

Joe Rogan 51:03 The plaid prototype, right?

Matt Farah 51:04 Yeah, yeah, they-

Joe Rogan 51:05 Which means the wide-bo... It's a wide-body version with three engines, I believe.

Matt Farah 51:09 Yeah, they wouldn't, they weren't talking about what it was. But I think-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Yeah.

Matt Farah 51:12 ... it's a three-motor car with a widened body and a different aero package-

Joe Rogan 51:16 Are there pictures of it?

Matt Farah 51:16 ... and different tires. There were some. And they went back with one with a giant, like, GT3 wing on it too.

Joe Rogan 51:22 That's hilarious.

Matt Farah 51:22 It seemed like they... The number they originally put out, and you guys talked about it on the show, Jamie looked it up, was a con- a, a, um, a compilation of best sector times. So they-

Joe Rogan 51:36 Right.

Matt Farah 51:36 ... released this sort of theoretical best time. But they never actually ran that complete lap. The big difference between a Tesla and the Porsche right now is thermal management. Managing heat and cool, uh, sort of where it needs to go.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah, there it is.

Matt Farah 51:49 Yeah, there's the prototype. Um, and I believe that Tesla can build... They're the, exactly the kind of company that can build a one-off prototype that could go around the Nürburgring very fast. Like, they're lean-

Joe Rogan 51:58 Yeah.

Matt Farah 51:58 ... they could do that.

Joe Rogan 51:58 You could see how it's wider.

Matt Farah 52:00 It looks cool, it looks badass.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Yeah, it does look really badass.

Matt Farah 52:02 Yeah, it looks awesome.

Joe Rogan 52:03 But the over top-

Matt Farah 52:03 But the top-

Joe Rogan 52:04 They didn't put out the Apex. Hey, show me a photo of the Apex, uh, Apex Tesla S.

Matt Farah 52:09 So, um, so the Taycan has this really interesting thermal management system that integrates the brakes, the battery, the motors, and the cabin heat, uh, he- cabin climate control, all in one system. And so it's very common that one system will need heat while the other needs to be cooled, and one will need... So they-

Joe Rogan 52:28 Mm.

Matt Farah 52:28 If the brakes are hot but th- and they need to be cooled, but the cabin is cold and needs to be hot, they use the brake heat to... They can send heat or cold anywhere in the car it needs to go.

Joe Rogan 52:39 But no, no, go, stay up there. Go back, go back.

Matt Farah 52:41 That looks okay. It's not that bad.

Joe Rogan 52:43 You can change it. Oh, it doesn't let you change it? It changes it. Oh, there it goes.

Matt Farah 52:46 Oh, oh.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Look at that.

Matt Farah 52:46 That's not bad. It's okay.

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah, they just swap-

Matt Farah 52:47 I've seen worse.

Joe Rogan 52:48 ... everything out with carbon fiber, but they put dope wheels on it. But the, the interior is where the magic happens.

Matt Farah 52:53 I would like to see the interior. That... I, I don't really see a point to doing body kits on EVs. But-

Joe Rogan 52:58 I think the idea is-

Matt Farah 52:58 Oh, there you go, quilted leather-

Joe Rogan 53:00 Yeah.

Matt Farah 53:00 ... little armrests, some carbon.

Joe Rogan 53:02 I think the idea is that-

Matt Farah 53:03 There you go.

Joe Rogan 53:03 ... is g- go back up. See the, on the left there with the body, uh, the, the wheel?

Matt Farah 53:06 The wheels are nice.

Joe Rogan 53:07 Yeah, they put larger wheels, wider tires-

Matt Farah 53:09 What are those brakes? What does that say on it? Does that say Unplugged on the brakes?

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yes. Yes.

Matt Farah 53:13 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 53:14 I think that's their company, I think.

Matt Farah 53:15 Oh. Oh, it's called Unplugged Performance?

Joe Rogan 53:17 Yeah, yeah.

Matt Farah 53:17 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 53:17 Apex, Unplugged A- Apex S.

Matt Farah 53:20 Mm-hmm. I mean, uh, it's not for me.

Joe Rogan 53:22 I think they put carbon fiber brakes on it.

Matt Farah 53:25 Are those carbon ceramic brakes?

Joe Rogan 53:26 Yeah, I think carbon ceramic brakes.

Matt Farah 53:28 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 53:28 I think they put, uh...

Matt Farah 53:28 They probably charge a lot of money for that.

Joe Rogan 53:30 I'm sure it's not cheap, bitch.

Matt Farah 53:31 I don't know. Maybe the interior, but I wouldn't... Carbon ceramic brakes, how about that?

Joe Rogan 53:35 Yeah.

Matt Farah 53:36 Hmm. Maybe they could do it. But, so-

Joe Rogan 53:38 19-piece carbon fiber body.

Matt Farah 53:38 ... with Porsche, like, so your Tesla, for instance, if you want max performance, like the hardest launch you can do-

Joe Rogan 53:44 Right.

Matt Farah 53:44 ... you gotta have like 80% battery or more.

Joe Rogan 53:46 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 53:47 And it'll only let you do a couple of them in a row before it starts to get noticeably slower.

Joe Rogan 53:51 Right.

Matt Farah 53:51 You know what I mean? It'll let you, let you launch, but you want that two-five or whatever it is, it's only gonna be your first couple launches where you get it.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Right.

Matt Farah 53:58 The Taycan will give you full performance until the battery's dead.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Whoa.

Matt Farah 54:03 So I can do a full bore launch control start with like 40 miles of range on the battery.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Now, how many miles can it get from fully charged?

Matt Farah 54:11 In theory, 300.

Joe Rogan 54:14 In theory.

Matt Farah 54:14 Yeah, yeah, but that's meaning-

Joe Rogan 54:15 But that's you driving like an old lady.

Matt Farah 54:16 So I was able to drive around normally and I found that the range estimate was pretty accurate. I only got the car for one day.

Joe Rogan 54:24 Hmm.

Matt Farah 54:24 So it was pretty accurate. And then I went (laughs) to the canyons, and in that video I burned off 40% of the battery just making that video.

Joe Rogan 54:32 Really?

Matt Farah 54:32 Yeah. T- it would be the same in a Tesla. It, it's not, it, it's-

Joe Rogan 54:35 That's where it's a real bummer, right?

Matt Farah 54:35 When you start driving real fast in EVs, bro-

Joe Rogan 54:38 Yeah.

Matt Farah 54:38 ... uh, you, you're just, you're just smoking through battery. And then you're- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:43 But do you think that with the demand, technology will improve to the point where they can get like real range out-

Matt Farah 54:48 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 54:48 ... of these things? Like, the theoretical range of the Tesla Roadster was like 600 miles-

Matt Farah 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 ... but again, that's never been done. Right?

Matt Farah 54:54 I think, (sighs) so r- I'm not an expert on EVs and there's like electrical engineers that'll be screaming, fucking at their i- iPods right now.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Well, it's normal with those podcasts.

Matt Farah 55:04 I, I believe... I know, right? I believe that the k- the, the c- 300-mile range is a good, that's a good amount of range. The key that we will see that will really be a game changer is battery charge times. How, i- c- you know, can we get it charged in five minutes or 10 minutes-

Joe Rogan 55:18 Hmm.

Matt Farah 55:18 ... and not 30 minutes or an hour?

Joe Rogan 55:20 Right.

Matt Farah 55:21 Uh, and the, the number of stations, the opportunity to charge.

Joe Rogan 55:25 And that's an issue with, uh, the Porsche over the Tesla is they don't have the supercharging network, right?

Matt Farah 55:29 Correct, although they are using the Electrify America network, which is actually-

Joe Rogan 55:34 Where's that?

Matt Farah 55:34 ... it's another one of the networks that's meant for like-

Joe Rogan 55:37 Is it as big?

Matt Farah 55:37 ... normal EVs. It's actually bigger.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Really?

Matt Farah 55:39 But they don't have as many super high-speed chargers. So the Tesla and all EVs on the market right now, except the Taycan-All the rest are 400 volt systems, okay? And the Tesla's probably the best, most efficient use of 400 volt architecture. 800 volt architecture, if Porsche is to be believed, is more efficient, the, it's a lighter setup, the f- it flows in and out faster than the 400 volt system. There's a couple other advantages to it, but it can charge really, really fast, um, through the correct chargers. There just aren't that many of the super fast ones around. There's only three in LA right now. One is in Burbank, at the Best Buy in Burbank, is the closest-

Joe Rogan 56:25 Really?

Matt Farah 56:25 ... one to here. And you, I charged one from almost dead to almost full in about 18 minutes-

Joe Rogan 56:30 Wow.

Matt Farah 56:31 ... at that one, yeah. But there just aren't-

Joe Rogan 56:32 That's pretty damn good.

Matt Farah 56:32 ... very many, so.

Joe Rogan 56:33 So you can go, stop, grab a cup of coffee.

Matt Farah 56:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Get a bite to eat real quick.

Matt Farah 56:37 Go to Best Buy. (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:38 Stroll around.

Matt Farah 56:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:39 You come out, you got 80% of your juice.

Matt Farah 56:41 Yeah, it was pretty good. It went fast enough that I could watch it go. Six, seven.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Really?

Matt Farah 56:47 Eh, yeah, yeah. I, I, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Hmm.

Matt Farah 56:48 It was pretty good. Like-

Joe Rogan 56:49 That's not bad.

Matt Farah 56:50 Yeah, if they get the number of stations right... I think the real problem with EV adoption, especially in a place like LA, is the infrastructure, man. I don't think this city (laughs) generates enough electricity through its grid for all of us to be charging cars at home.

Joe Rogan 57:04 That's a good point, right? Because it would dr- br- if we got all the millions of cars-

Matt Farah 57:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 ... that are now charging, it would radically change everything.

Matt Farah 57:11 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Unless everybody switches over to solar. And then, but then it's already homeowners.

Matt Farah 57:15 Even solar I don't think is efficient enough-

Joe Rogan 57:17 Right.

Matt Farah 57:17 ... that's the other problem is now-

Joe Rogan 57:18 Yeah.

Matt Farah 57:18 ... it's a homeowners thing, and-

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah.

Matt Farah 57:20 ... so like, EVs are awesome, like if you like how an EV drives and you like the experience of owning one and it works for your life, like 1,000% get an EV.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Hmm.

Matt Farah 57:30 But is, is a 90% EV adoption rate in LA something that's really realistic? Like, not any time soon.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Hmm.

Matt Farah 57:38 I just don't think so. I'm building a building right now, and so I know, I'm learning about how much power the city will give me in my building.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Oh, right, right.

Matt Farah 57:46 And I don't have enough... The c- I'm building a brand new building, and the city won't give me enough power to put more than two level two chargers in my building. I was like, "Yo, let me get a bank of five. My building will be an EV charging spot." And they're like, "No can do, bro. We won't... No power." So-

Joe Rogan 58:01 Really?

Matt Farah 58:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:02 And can you enhance the amount of power that you have?

Matt Farah 58:05 Not really. I mean, solar, it, it, like solar will reduce your bill, but it doesn't add, it doesn't give you more amps in the building. Like-

Joe Rogan 58:14 Unless you're completely off grid.

Matt Farah 58:16 Correct.

Joe Rogan 58:16 And then you'd have to have some sort of generator-

Matt Farah 58:17 And then you'd have to have some gi- (laughs) Yeah, now we're, you know-

Joe Rogan 58:20 Oh, now you're-

Matt Farah 58:20 ... now you're in the weeds. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah, now you're doing the opposite.

Matt Farah 58:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:22 You're like burning fucking dinosaur fuel-

Matt Farah 58:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... to try to keep your shit going.

Matt Farah 58:26 And I don't, you know, with a new building, I, I'm no expert, but all the people who are experts are telling me that I should wait a year or two and see what my utilities are before I'd even attempt solar, 'cause I might, you know... You put it in now, how, how do you know if you've saved any money?

Joe Rogan 58:37 Right, right. Yeah.

Matt Farah 58:38 I'm, I'm obligated by law to make my building solar ready, so I had to reinforce the roof-

Joe Rogan 58:43 Really?

Matt Farah 58:43 Yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of shit when you're building a building that you gotta do to...

Joe Rogan 58:47 In 2019?

Matt Farah 58:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Wow.

Matt Farah 58:48 My building is the f- only collector... This is, sorry, Westside Collector Car Storage, my new business. It is the-

Joe Rogan 58:53 And it's open for reservations currently, right?

Matt Farah 58:54 Yes, we'll be open in January. We're a little bit behind, but it, construction's hard as it turns out. Um, it's the f- it's the first, eh, time that we've ever put indoor quad stackers in Southern California. We have four high vehicle stackers. We have 18 of them.

Joe Rogan 59:09 What are you doing about earthquakes? You got rubber everywhere?

Matt Farah 59:11 The buil- we're, 2019 code, dude.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Yeah?

Matt Farah 59:13 Dude, we have, we have more concrete and rebar... I mean, this, we're up to a, we're good for a 12-0 earthquake.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Ooh.

Matt Farah 59:20 That's what we're rated at. That's the 2020 standard.

Joe Rogan 59:22 I want a house like that.

Matt Farah 59:23 It's... (blows raspberry) Bro, we poured-

Joe Rogan 59:26 I want a 12-0 house.

Matt Farah 59:26 ... I poured 110 cement trucks.

Joe Rogan 59:30 Wouldn't that be great if the world's on fire and you're sitting there sipping tea?

Matt Farah 59:33 Dude, well, s- you know what, speaking of that-

Joe Rogan 59:35 Drinking a sip.

Matt Farah 59:35 ... so the wall d- the dividing wall in between the car storage area and the members' lounge, my office and my studio, is legally required to be a two-hour firewall. So you can sit there and have a tea and watch a fire on the other side for two hours and then just walk out the front door.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Really?

Matt Farah 59:52 Yeah. That's a law for t- for Cal- for LA for 2019.

Joe Rogan 59:54 Wow.

Matt Farah 59:55 We had to have the fire code written for us. It sucked. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:58 That seems pretty cool though, that they're doing that. That they're making these standards extremely high.

Matt Farah 1:00:04 I believe that it's good to have high standards.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:00:06 And that you can get e- you know, you, but you end up with a higher quality product and you can then charge more for it, you know, and that's sort of how it works, but...

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 That's a big leap for you, to just jump in and build some crazy car storage building.

Matt Farah 1:00:20 (laughs) Yeah, I'd never done shit like that before.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Like what... Did you think about the like, the amount of money that must cost is fucking extraordinary.

Matt Farah 1:00:26 I'll tell you off mic, but it's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Tell me. Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:00:28 It's a, it's a, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 I, I, I can only guess.

Matt Farah 1:00:29 You could probably guess.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 I can only guess.

Matt Farah 1:00:30 But it's cra- it's crazy and it's scary. And it started small-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 How much... Yeah, and-

Matt Farah 1:00:35 ... and then it, and then it was like, well, it, the, the model doesn't work small. Well what about medium? Well the model doesn't work medium either. What about big? Well it only works big if you build the building. You know, 'cause you, the, the land is so expensive that you have to go vertical.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Uh, right.

Matt Farah 1:00:48 And you can't go vertical in an existing structure 'cause it just doesn't meet earthquake codes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Oh.

Matt Farah 1:00:53 So you have no choice (laughs) but to build. And then-

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Wow.

Matt Farah 1:00:56 ... there's a law in LA that if you build, for every 1,000 square feet of commercial real estate you have, you need to have two street-accessible parking spaces.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Oh my God.

Matt Farah 1:01:04 So I had to dig a basement. So I da- I dug a 7,000 square foot basement.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Oh my God.

Matt Farah 1:01:09 So I have 30 underground parking spaces that counts. So the half the cost of the building was digging the basement.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Jesus Christ, dude.

Matt Farah 1:01:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 And where is this?

Matt Farah 1:01:17 It's in Playa Vista. It's across the street from Google and Yahoo and the Clippers building.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Oh, all those d- dirty rich people in that-

Matt Farah 1:01:23 Dirty, dirty rich people.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 (laughs)

Matt Farah 1:01:25 Dirty.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Filthy.

Matt Farah 1:01:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Filthy rich.

Matt Farah 1:01:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Wow, that's cool though.

Matt Farah 1:01:28 You gotta come see it man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 I will fucking-

Matt Farah 1:01:30 It's the coolest.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... Where's Playa Vista? What is that near?

Matt Farah 1:01:32 It's right off the 405 and Jefferson.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Mm, on the way to the airport or something?

Matt Farah 1:01:36 Between Marina del Rey and LAX.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Oh, okay.

Matt Farah 1:01:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Oh, all right.

Matt Farah 1:01:39 Yeah. Perfect for people who live out of town.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Wow. Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:01:40 Hit me up, westsidecollectorcarstorage.com.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 I'll come. I'll come visit.

Matt Farah 1:01:42 That's the end of my plug. I'm done plugging.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 I'll come visit.

Matt Farah 1:01:44 But k- I'm learning so much about concrete-

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 1:01:47 ... and steel and r- you know, all this crazy shit. Concrete's a weird, weird science, man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Oh, I'd imagine.

Matt Farah 1:01:55 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 I don't know anything about it.

Matt Farah 1:01:55 The pressure testing and there's different mixtures and the, they shake all the rebar to get it to settle. It's fucking nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Jesus.

Matt Farah 1:02:01 Yeah, you gotta wait for the perfect day to do your pour.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 How long have you been building this?

Matt Farah 1:02:05 Four years. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Four years?

Matt Farah 1:02:07 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Four years.

Matt Farah 1:02:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 That's right, when we first started talking about it, it was at least two years ago.

Matt Farah 1:02:10 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Wow.

Matt Farah 1:02:12 We broke ground two years ago. I broke ground-

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 (gasps)

Matt Farah 1:02:14 ... in August of '17.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Dude, you must be shitting your pants with all that money.

Matt Farah 1:02:18 I'm so exhausted. (laughs) I just need-

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 I don't know how to handle that.

Matt Farah 1:02:20 I'm so exhausted.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Like I have friends that have built houses before-

Matt Farah 1:02:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 ... and I'm like, "Fuck, man." We remodeled our kitchen once and for eight months, we were cooking on a hot plate in the living room.

Matt Farah 1:02:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 And I was like, "This is ridiculous."

Matt Farah 1:02:30 Yeah. It's, it's like, you know, it's like a project car, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:02:34 We're at the point where the car looks done.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Right.

Matt Farah 1:02:37 It l- it basically looks done.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Hmm.

Matt Farah 1:02:39 Except there's just so much left to do. And dealing with the city is so, so hard. This is why I, I'm, I'm a little less optimistic about others in terms of the adoption rates of, of EVs and stuff like that, and, and solar and stuff like that, because it's... Working with the city for this stuff is so hard and it's taken me so long to do one stupid fucking building.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Right.

Matt Farah 1:03:00 That like, we're looking at a whole city? Like I don't know how anything got built here. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Ugh.

Matt Farah 1:03:05 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Do you think about moving?

Matt Farah 1:03:08 Man, sunshine's free and weed's legal. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Whoa.

Matt Farah 1:03:11 So nice.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Good point.

Matt Farah 1:03:12 I know that's corny as fuck, but it goes-

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Makes me wanna spark up a joint.

Matt Farah 1:03:15 Let's do it, it goes a long way. Yo, what's, what about that Kevin Smith shit? Kevin Smith was up in here talking about his snoochie boochies, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 It's just weed.

Matt Farah 1:03:23 I know it is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 Kevin Smith's a great guy.

Matt Farah 1:03:25 I know it is, but I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 It's-

Matt Farah 1:03:25 But I had the thought when I was listening to your show, and it was like, you're telling me the fictional drug dealer from that movie I loved when I was 13 is now a real drug dealer, but legally and as that movie character. That is some crazy ass shit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Yeah, that's basically what's going on.

Matt Farah 1:03:42 What is this?

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 That's Mike Tyson weed. (coughs)

Matt Farah 1:03:44 This is Mike Tyson weed?

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Yeah. How about that?

Matt Farah 1:03:47 Do I go get a face tattoo afterwards? Is that what happens?

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 You don't have to. (coughs) But if you smoked the whole thing, you probably want one.

Matt Farah 1:03:52 Wow. Does he sell this like this?

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:03:54 Just a full-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:03:55 ... Godfather blunt?

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:03:57 Fucking hell.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 (coughs) A giant, fat blunt that looks like a fucking cigar.

Matt Farah 1:04:01 That is crazy. That is awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:04:03 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 It's pretty fucking good.

Matt Farah 1:04:05 Dude, what do we need to talk about with cars? Is there anything else happening in the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Well-

Matt Farah 1:04:08 ... industry that you wanna know about?

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Well, I'm, I mean, the Taycan, I don't think we've like completely covered it. No, my, my question with all of these cars is, what is next, right? It's like-

Matt Farah 1:04:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 ... we're, we're seeing these incredible 0 to 60 under three second times.

Matt Farah 1:04:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 We're see- we're going to eventually see the range increase. But if you had asked me 10 years ago, "Are we gonna see a 2.4 0 to 60 sedan-"

Matt Farah 1:04:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 ... "that feels like it's violating physics when you stomp on the gas?" I mean, that's what I drive. And it has-

Matt Farah 1:04:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... a laptop for a screen.

Matt Farah 1:04:42 (laughs) Yeah, we've, you know, we've gotten-

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 It's crazy.

Matt Farah 1:04:44 ... to about, I don't know, right, right, maybe to 10 years ago or so, the, the, the trajectory of increased performance got very steep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:04:55 Where, you know, the new version of every car has 100 more horsepower. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 It's crazy.

Matt Farah 1:05:00 And now we've got these high performance EVs. And with a high performance EV, you know, you're, you built a dragster. That, that's a fucking dragster.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:05:07 I mean, the, the, the Taycan does 0-

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 (coughs)

Matt Farah 1:05:09 ... does a quarter mile in the low 10s. (whooshes) I mean, so you can, you know, I don't wanna be flippant and say all it takes is money, but all it takes is money. You walk-

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:05:18 ... into a dealer and you're buying a dragster that, you know, you, used to need an NCH- NHRA license to run that fast. Now you can do it on the way to Whole Foods.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 That's crazy.

Matt Farah 1:05:27 You know? And so with Taycan, the real difference for me (inhales) between Taycan and Tesla is the steering and handling, because Teslas have very video gamey steering.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:05:39 It's accurate and it's sharp, but it's not-

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 But it's not... You don't feel it.

Matt Farah 1:05:42 No. This, the Taycan has the steering system from the Porsche 992.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Mmm.

Matt Farah 1:05:46 And so it feels like a Porsche.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Oh, see-

Matt Farah 1:05:48 And so when I drove it, I texted you, I go, "Joe, this is for you."

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Well, Tesla figured out how to make it go fast and they figured out how to make it handle pretty good.

Matt Farah 1:05:58 How to make it cool.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:05:59 They figured how to make an-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Definitely.

Matt Farah 1:06:00 ... EV cool, because-

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:06:01 ... EVs, remember the RAV4 EV-

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:06:03 ... fucking Ed Begley was driving in the '90s?

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:06:05 Like...

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 What is this, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 1:06:06 This is their video they had. I was just gonna put it on so you could...

Matt Farah 1:06:09 One of the things that makes-

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 Look at that.

Matt Farah 1:06:09 ... Porsche Taycan different is they have a two-speed transmission.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Hmm, interesting.

Matt Farah 1:06:12 Your Tesla is one gear.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah, interesting.

Matt Farah 1:06:14 So your Tesla from 0 to 120 is bananas, but it pretty much dies off because-

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 1:06:20 ... it runs outta gear.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Oh.

Matt Farah 1:06:21 Because most people don't really need to go faster than that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Wow.

Matt Farah 1:06:24 But Porsche, with their Autobahn stuff, they need more at the top end, so the Taycan actually switches into second gear and keeps pulling like crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Jesus.

Matt Farah 1:06:35 You know, above 80 to 100 miles an hour.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 Goddamn.

Matt Farah 1:06:37 And the biggest difference though, dynamically, is like, you know how in your Tesla you can drive with one foot?

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Yes.

Matt Farah 1:06:43 Like one pedal?

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:06:44 When you lift off the pedal, it, it breaks-

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 It breaks.

Matt Farah 1:06:46 ... the car.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:06:46 And so you can pretty much drive around on one foot. Taycan doesn't do that. So, Porsche believes that the kinetic energy built up by motion-

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 Mm-hmm.

Matt Farah 1:06:57 ... is better used by allowing the car to just coast-

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Hm.

Matt Farah 1:07:01 ... as far as possible than by hitting the regen and capturing it in the form of, uh, breaking the way that Tesla does.

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 Yeah, that's interesting.

Matt Farah 1:07:08 Now you can turn that function off in the Tesla.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Does that, uh, have an impact on, um, like w- if it's do- doing that, does it, does it have an impact on the way it feels?

Matt Farah 1:07:20 Well, it feels... I mean, yes, because you have to use the brakes more in everyday situations.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Does it slow down the car quicker to use the brakes more? To d- I mean, to dire- have regenerative the way Tesla does it?

Matt Farah 1:07:31 No, it doesn't necessarily slow the car down faster. It just means that you do-

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 So it doesn't make a slower 60 to 0 time?

Matt Farah 1:07:36 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 No.

Matt Farah 1:07:36 In fact, if I- I believe that Porsche is ultimately better at that. It's d- the, the only real difference is that when you lift off the gas in a Tesla, it slows down as if someone is applying the brakes.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:07:50 In the Porsche, you just pure coast. It's a pure coast and it, and it's a really, it's, it's an even more of a coast feeling than a gasoline car. It's like you're freed of all restraint.

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Wow.

Matt Farah 1:08:04 Like, 'cause after I fucking mobbed up the mountain (laughs) making that video that I sent you-

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Yeah.

Matt Farah 1:08:08 ... I was like, "Oh shit, dude."... I've only got like 40 miles of range left (laughs) and I gotta get off this-

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Really?

Matt Farah 1:08:13 ... fucking hill. Yeah. And so, I, I was at the high point in the hill and I go, "Let's coast." And so I just coasted, and I was like, "Let's see how far I can go without touching the brakes." And I got this motherfucker coasting up to like 100 miles an hour-

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 (gasps)

Matt Farah 1:08:26 ... taking