Joe Rogan Experience #1400 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:00 – 2:54

   Richard Pryor’s stand-up power and seeing comedy in a movie theater

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two, one. Boom. Check out this new Richard Pryor, Plastisel. Come on.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe0:07

      Yeah. Live on the Sunset Strip.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Iconic. That was, uh, really the first thing that I ever saw that made me truly understand the power of standup comedy. I was 13 years old, I think, maybe 14. My parents went m-... uh, took me to see it, and, uh, we were i- in the audience, and I remember thinking, "How is this guy so funny just talking? How is this possible?" I was thinking of all the movies that I'd seen that were really funny, like... I don't remember what was out back then. Maybe Stripes, like, which was a great movie that I loved. So funny, so funny. But this guy was way funnier, and all he was doing was talking, and I couldn't believe it. I remember there was a moment in the movie where he was killing, and I just turned and looked at the people in the audience, and people were just flailing up and down and, "Ah!" Like, they were just... Their whole body was laughing. Everything was like... They were throwing their bodies around. And I was like, "This is incredible. I've never seen anything like this."

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01

      Super powerful.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:02

      Dude, it hit me hard. It wasn't like I wanted to be a comic right then and there. I mean, I really didn't w- want to be a comic for another eight years. But fuck, that was crazy.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:12

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:13

      That was it.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:13

      What, what were those things on back in the day? I don't-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      Movies, go to the movie theater.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:18

       Oh, you saw that in a movie theater?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yeah.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:19

       Whoa.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Yeah, that's why there's so many people around.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:21

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:23

       Man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       What'd you think, I just went to people's houses and there was a lot of people over there?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:26

       Yeah, I thought maybe it was on HBO or something like that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       No.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:28

       I thought you were talking about the audience in, in-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       No.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:30

       ... that crowd, like the reaction shots.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Dude, in 1981, this, this movie must have come out in '80 or '81, if I'm guessing correctly. I think we might have looked this up before.

   24. JVJamie Vernon1:42

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Have we? Yeah. Is it '81? I think I was 14. Um, might have been '82.

   26. JVJamie Vernon1:49

       It was recorded, it was recorded during '81 and '82, so-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Oh, okay.

   28. JVJamie Vernon1:53

       ... released March 24th, 1982.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       Okay, there you go. So, beginning of '82. So, I was probably 15 then. Fuck, man. I just... I'll never forget, never forget being in that audience, being a young kid, just looking around at all these people laughing so hard.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe2:08

       That's so... Who took you to that?
2. 2:54 – 8:11

   Pryor, Cosby hypocrisy, and Eddie Murphy’s possible stand-up return

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      You know what the story about it is? The story about it is that Pryor was there earlier in the week-

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe3:00

      (coughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      ... and he didn't have good sets. Like, that, the one that he filmed, he just caught magic. You know, the... but, but that earlier in the week... You know, c-... That guy's life was chaos.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe3:13

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      Just chaos. And-

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe3:15

      And who could he relate to? Who... 'Cause he couldn't even call a friend that was like... you know what I mean? He couldn't call-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      No.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe3:20

      ... K- Kevin Hart back then and be like, "Hey-"

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      Right.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe3:21

       "... how do you feel about this?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Right, right.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe3:23

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       It's not like you can call Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy. No, it was just hi-... Well, he did have a conversation with Eddie Murphy when Eddie Murphy got in trouble with Richard Pryor, with, uh, uh, Bill Cosby rather. It's a famous story.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe3:34

       Huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       'Cause Bill Cosby was telling Eddie Murphy he was too dirty.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe3:38

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       (laughs)

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe3:40

       That's so stu-... He was telling him to clean it up while he was raping people.

   19. JVJamie Vernon3:43

       (inhales deeply)

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe3:43

       Oh my goodness.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Jesus Christ.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe3:47

       Wow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Dr- drugging women and then giving out comedy advice.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe3:50

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Telling them, you're, you're too dirty.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe3:52

       Yeah, telling Dr. Doolittle to watch his mouth.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Well, he became Dr. Doolittle.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe3:57

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       But back then, he was Eddie Murphy raw.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe3:58

       Yeah.
3. 8:11 – 10:36

   Greta Thunberg, Time Person of the Year, and media-driven outrage cycles

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe8:11

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      By the l- gr- that Greta Thunberg girl?

   3. JVJamie Vernon8:13

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:14

      The climate girl who yelled at everybody? She's Person of the Year on Time Magazine.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe8:19

      Hey-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      What's go-... Are, is everybody losing their fucking mind?

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe8:21

      I, I think so.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      She's, um... Wasn't she on a strike? Look, obviously climate change is a real thing. Climate change is a real important thing. Let's just get that outta the way before anybody's like... (stammers)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe8:31

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:31

       All I'm saying is... What is she? 14? 15?

   11. JVJamie Vernon8:34

       16.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       16. No.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe8:37

       (laughs)

   14. JVJamie Vernon8:38

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       No, by complaining on television, it doesn't make you the most important person of the year or the most impactful person of the year. You just got lucky that right around the time where they were making this list, you did that thing. They're like, "Let's pick Greta. Let's pick Greta. It'll trigger Trump."

   16. JVJamie Vernon8:55

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       "Oh, Trump will get triggered."

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe8:57

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:57

       You know, and apparently Donald Trump Jr. Did get triggered, and he tweeted about it.

   20. JVJamie Vernon9:01

       (laughs)

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe9:02

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       They got him.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe9:03

       (laughs)

   24. JVJamie Vernon9:04

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       But, yeah, but this is... Uh, fucking if this was four months from now, you would completely forget her. There'd be some new thing. See, she, she caught this wave. I mean, did she have a l- a, a good little speech there? Yes. It was a... It made an impact.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe9:19

       You know how many trees had to get cut down to make all those Time Magazines that they're, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       A lot. A lot of trees-

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe9:24

       ... cutting down?

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       ... had to die for that Time Magazine. By the way, that all could be avoided with hemp. Far superior paper, way easier. And that's what got the whole marijuana, uh, legalization process started in the first place.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe9:35

       Not at all.
4. 10:36 – 12:44

   Home Alone 2, Hollywood cameos, and whether you could make it today

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe10:36

      We were watching, uh-

   2. JVJamie Vernon10:37

      (laughs) Where's the golf course?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe10:38

      We were, we were watching Home Alone 2 the other day, the one where he's lost in New York, and (laughs) uh, there's this scene where... (laughs) Have you seen this? Where he's walking through the hotel, he's, you know, he gets this fancy hotel. He has his dad's credit card, and he's, like, lost in the hotel for a second, and he's like, "Hey, excuse me, sir, do you know where this is?" And it's Trump. (laughs) He gets... Pans up and it's just Trump way back. It's so funny.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:57

      Wow.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe10:57

      (laughs) And then Trump turns around all creepy, looks at his butt.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      Oh. I don't think that's what he's doing.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe11:02

      No, I know, okay.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:03

      He's looking at him like it's a little boy.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe11:04

      Right. Everybody through this movie-

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:06

       Poor, lost little boy.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe11:06

       It's a really funny movie. Home Alone 2 is, like, really well written. I was... My mind was blown watching the whole thing. Such a great Christmas movie, and there's so many great actors, and it's an insane line-up. Rob Schneider is actually hilarious in this one.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       Those are classic movies, man.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe11:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       When we were kids, those were huge.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe11:23

       They put it together so well. Like, I'm looking at it now. I've l- I've, I've... I guess, uh, it's the writer in me or the LA guy, like, I'm looking at movies differently now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Mm-hmm.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe11:31

       And I'm like, "This is so beautiful how they made this coincidence happen," 'cause you do anything else... First of all, they look like horrible parents (laughs) no matter what.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       It's the first movie too.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe11:39

       (laughs) I know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Terrible. They get on a fucking plane with other son. Like, "Who are you?"

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe11:43

       Right, so they really had to make this one work out, and they do such a great job with it. He's replacing batteries, a guy... They're, they're running, of course, still this late family that can never (laughs) have their shit together. And he's chasing the guy, and it makes sense 'cause he runs into the lady taking tickets. You know, it's back when they took physical tickets, and he runs into the lady. He's chasing the guy that looks like his dad, and the tickets go everywhere. So it makes sense that he doesn't have a seat, and it makes sense that... And they went, he went to the wrong gate following the wrong guy. Like, everything makes sense. It's beautiful that they can make-

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       Mm-hmm.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe12:12

       ... comedies that, way back then, that, like, could rationalize a family being-... in a different place than their (laughs) little child.

   24. JVJamie Vernon12:22

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       I wonder if you could do that movie today. People would just shame you so hard.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe12:26

       Oh. Right. Oh, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:27

       Yeah.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe12:27

       Absolutely.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:27

       You'd never get a chance.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe12:28

       Yeah.
5. 12:44 – 18:30

   Child stardom, warped development, and empathy for famous kids

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      They put him on these movies when he was a little baby. He's a cool guy.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe12:48

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:48

      V- very nice guy. I had him in here on the podcast. I really enjoyed talking to him. Very smart. Just a very interesting little fella. But, you know, it ain't good for anybody to do that to their kids. Make your kids f- that fucking famous. Remember how famous Macaulay Culkin was?

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe13:03

      Oh, it's insane.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      Oh, my God, he was giganti. And when you're a little boy and you're grown up giganti like that, and then all of a sudden you're this 40-year-old man where he is now. (clicks tongue) Really nice guy. Really cool, really fun to talk to, recommended by Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith told me I have to have him on.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe13:20

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:20

      He was like, "Dude, you gotta talk to the guy. He's great." He really is. Really interesting cat. Just travels around the world, does whatever the fuck he wants. Has a shitload of money-

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe13:28

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      ... from all the Home Alone movies.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe13:29

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       But doesn't spend it, he's not going crazy, he's not buying Ferraris.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe13:35

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       He just does whatever he wants.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe13:36

       He's nothing like his character in the m- Home Alone movies (laughs) .

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       (laughs)

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe13:39

       He goes out-

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Well, he's a grownup.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe13:40

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       He's a, a, a grownup man of leisure. But I think, um, outta all the people that I've ever met that are famous at a, you know, a child's age, he might be the best at it. 'Cause I think it's an impossible task, I really do. You know, I think i- the only way it really works, if you can handle fame, is if you have, uh, you, you've developed character over your life and become an adult, and, and we're nothing. And understand hard work, and understand the fortune that you have to, to be famous or to be f- successful in show business. But if you grow up like that, man, all your signals are all crossed wrong, all your wires are all fucked up. You grow up thinking that you're super-duper important for no reason, with no work at all.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe14:30

       And that you can literally get whatever you want-

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Yeah.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe14:33

       ... to have people get it for you.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Any time you want.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe14:35

       All the time.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       Like Justin Bieber. How? How? How is he not gonna be crazy? How is he not gonna be crazy? You tell me. He ... I think he's handling it incredibly. The idea that you're gonna hold him to the same standards as, uh, this other kid who's also 24, whose dad is a football coach at the high school and whose mom is a math teacher, and they're really in tight with their community, and he grew up going to s- scout camps and, you know, he plays football and he plays baseball, and he's got a bunch of friends that he grew up with, and, and they're all normal. And he's had a girlfriend for the past two years, but he doesn't know if he should make it serious when he goes to college, and ... Come on.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe15:14

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       Come on, man.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe15:15

       Yeah, he's a whole different-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       He's a different kinda person, man.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe15:18

       Yeah.
6. 18:30 – 24:23

   Plastic surgery, body dysmorphia, and social-media meanness

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:30

      Well, those, those, that couple was on this reality show and they were everything for a while. Constantly in these gossip papers, everybody paying attention, and then, uh, she got a gang of plastic surgery, too. It was very unfortunate 'cause it was, like, public, right? It was, like, many, many, many, many, many surgeries.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe18:49

      And she-

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:49

      And she was a pretty girl to begin with. That's just-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe18:51

      That never works out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:52

      (sighs) You know, you get a very d- I mean, look, maybe it kind of worked out with Kylie Jenner. I'm just saying.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe18:58

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:59

      Right? It kind of did work out.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe19:00

      What'd she do? A little jaw thing, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:02

      She did a lot of shit.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe19:03

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       I don't know what she did. Something happened. Unless magic and unless pixies... I mean, I, I don't know how much she's saying she did.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe19:12

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       But it's just, like, everything changed for the better. I'm assuming you did something. (laughs)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe19:19

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Like your nose, your fa- but the problem with that is, like, really young girls want to do that too, and some of 'em, some of 'em are hot the way they are. They just, they're just super hypercritical, and everybody else at that age is super hypercritical too. So if your nose is, like, a little bigger than maybe you think it should be, like, "I got to fix it, I got to fix it." But when you do something like that, especially if it's not, like, an egregious issue that you really do need to deal with, if you get your nose fixed, like, it looks like you got your nose fixed. So every time someone's talking to you, they're like, "You got your nose... That's not your nose."

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe19:52

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       "What's, why does that nose not fit your face?" It doesn't fit your face 'cause there's a ratio, there's a specific ratio. Like, the, the width of your eyes, apart from your eyes, the length of your head will give you an indication of how long and how, what shape your nose should be. As, as weird as it seems, all this shit lines up. The Fibonacci Sequence. That thing, is it The Golden Ratio or The Fibonacci Sequence? Or the, um-

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe20:14

       They're the same thing, kind of.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       Are they the same thing?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe20:15

       Mm-hmm. But lips are the weirdest thing, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Oh, it's the weirdest for sure.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe20:19

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       That's... Well, there's another weird thing when people's foreheads don't move. They're like, "Hey, what's going on?" "Are you shocked?"

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe20:24

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       (laughs) You know, there's, there's like this thing that they do where it's like, uh. There's no movement at all.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe20:31

       I don't mind the fake butts at all though. The more obnoxious, the better.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       Oh, no.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe20:34

       I'm one of those guys. I don't know what it is.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       You like it?

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe20:37

       I, I, I love it.
7. 24:23 – 30:39

   Bots, troll farms, and manufactured political conflict online

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:23

      Well, they're just getting... They're reaching more people. Like, how many people have an audience of 1200 to talk to?... it's very rare in the real world. (laughs)

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe24:33

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      Where 1,200 people find out what your opinions are?

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe24:36

      Yeah, you'd have to go over an intercom in, like, a shopping mall.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:39

      Yeah. Well, the thing is about tw- if you have 1,200 Twitter followers, do you really know those 1,200 people and how many of them are bots? How many of them just sign up to everybody's account? You know, the sh- the bots on Instagram are stunning and Jamie had a really good point. He said, "They would never remove all of them because if they did, th- it would diminish the number of total users they have." And I'm like, "Oh, I didn't even think like that."

   6. JVJamie Vernon25:03

      Yeah, it's like, it's... Well, they're not p- they're not paying for them, you know? But-

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe25:06

      Right.

   8. JVJamie Vernon25:06

      ... yeah. It's... It wouldn't fuck up the incentive, bottom line.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:10

      Every time I put a post up, it's just all bots. Bots comment for like the fir-... I like to put a post up and wait, like, four seconds and then see how many comments. And it's just bots. Just, uh, "Don't look at my story if you don't want to masturbate."

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe25:24

       (laughs) Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       And all these, like, sk- water emojis and-

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe25:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       ... and, uh, eggplants and pussycats and (laughs) it's like-

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe25:31

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       ... fuck. It's w- this is... You know, that's, that's a noise thing, right? The bot thing is just a noise thing. Like, they're just trying to get you to click on their page. Oh, this is a big one they're doing now, too, is, uh, "Is my music any good?" And you go to their-

   16. JVJamie Vernon25:48

       (laughs) I was just gonna bring that up.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       Yeah.

   18. JVJamie Vernon25:49

       I saw that right here. I was looking at it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       But that's not real, right?

   20. JVJamie Vernon25:51

       No, it is. Yeah, it-

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       But it's not an artist, right?

   22. JVJamie Vernon25:54

       No, but it, there's various... It could be as simple as someone's just trying to draw attention to an account so they could sell that account. Buy it... If... And f- some dummies-

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:01

       Hmm.

   24. JVJamie Vernon26:01

       ... you know, one out of a thousand people click and follow that account.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       Right.

   26. JVJamie Vernon26:04

       And now they've got 10,000-

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       Right.

   28. JVJamie Vernon26:05

       ... and they can sell it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:06

       Right. Right. Right. That makes sense. Um, yeah, but it's just... There's never been a time like this where you got a bunch of fake people talking too. That's weird. Like, there's a bunch of people right now, for sure, that are posting on Twitter. There's probably thousands of them right now that are doing it because they're getting paid to pretend to be a Republican who's really upset about the libs, or they're being paid to pretend to be a Progressive who thinks, uh, trans people should be mandatory in every position of power. And, like, all the, the, some of the wackier positions that people take online are most likely taken up not just b- from wacky people. There's gonna be wacky people, for sure. But there's also gonna be a certain amount of them, I don't know what the number would be, where these people are getting paid to stir up shit online. I mean, this is, th- this... The Renee DiResta thing when she was on the pod-

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe27:05

       Mm-hmm.
8. 30:39 – 35:04

   Scooby-Doo logic and the Wizard of Oz–Dark Side of the Moon sync mythos

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      ... it's Trump, all along. It's like a Scooby-Doo episode, he pulls the mask. (gasps) "It was you, all along."

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe30:44

      (laughs)

   3. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      "Haha. I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids."

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe30:51

      (laughs)

   6. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:51

      (laughs) How fucking stupid was that show? You could have, like, a, a little tiny girl, like an eight-year-old girl, you pull her mask off and she's an old man. Like, "Hey, (slaps desk) what the fuck?"

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe31:02

      I saw someone break down that it was really dumb that Shaggy and Scooby ran at the same speeds, because it's a dog and a human being.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:08

      Oh, yeah.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe31:09

       Like... (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       And Shaggy was a stoner.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe31:10

       Yeah. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       He's not in shape.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe31:12

       Well, I... But someone broke it down, which is also stoner-ish and ridiculous.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       That's true though, but they're onto something. I mean, imagine being high, watch that, "Hey, man."

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe31:20

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       "How the fuck is that dude running as fast as that dog?" "Yeah, man! What the fuck? What the... " They just stand up in the middle of the living room. "What the fuck? How is that dude r-... This is bullshit."

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe31:33

       I think about that stuff a lot. The one that gets me is the Wizard of Oz and Dark Side of the Moon.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       That's incredible.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe31:38

       Like, I cannot imagine what that first person, it had to be a regular human, they had to have just smoked pot. There's no way you didn't just smoke pot.

   21. It had to be acid.

   22. Acid?

   23. Had to be. You asked the last one a little longer than pot.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       Yes.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe31:49

       And then like, okay, put on p- p... Wizard of Oz seems like that'd be fun. Put that in the VCR. It had to be a VCR, 'cause it was way back then. Had to be a record player.

   26. Because you had to flip it, right?

   27. Oh my God, that's right.

   28. I don't know. How would you get past that? 'Cause you couldn't play a CD and go the whole way through.

   29. That's right, you would have to flip it. How would... They, they did two sides on an album.

   30. How did they know how to do it right? And does part, perfectly sync?
9. 35:04 – 39:59

   Album-sales rabbit hole: Dark Side longevity, Eagles dominance, and ticket inflation

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe35:04

      Do you know how long that album lasted on the Billboard charts for?

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:06

      How long?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe35:08

      741 weeks.

   4. Yeah, the longest ever, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:12

      Jesus Christ.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe35:12

      Yeah, from '73 when it came out, until 1988.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:15

      Jesus Christ.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe35:17

      They're just selling copies.

   9. And still, and still-

   10. Still, yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:21

       How many albums... How many copies has it sold?

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe35:23

       I'll check and see in a moment.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       Let's guess, let's guess before we look. What do you think?

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe35:29

       35 million? Like, that's...

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:31

       That sounds good. I'm good with that.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe35:33

       All-time?

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:34

       All-time.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe35:34

       Including online?

   19. Those numbers become different, but yeah, sure.

   20. I don't know, I'd say...

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       With online, you gotta jack it up further.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe35:42

       If 1,500 plays equals one buy now, it's just tough, but...

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       Hm.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe35:47

       I don't know. I'm gonna go high here. I'm gonna guess 400 million, 300 million.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       Jesus.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe35:53

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       Is that possible?

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe35:56

       It's not that high.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:58

       What's the, what's the album that got sold the most?

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe36:01

       (smacks lips) Uh, The Eagles Greatest Hits.
10. 39:59 – 43:26

    Ticket fees, legal ‘reselling,’ and the end of old-school scalping

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       It's... The- the touring business is weird. Like, the- the ticket prices, they get jacked. Like, Andrew Schultz was talking about this, about, like, the- the- the fee. Like, say if you buy a ticket, there's a fee.

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe40:13

       Yeah, that's crazy.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:14

       Who gets that? What is that?

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe40:15

       I don't know.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:15

       What's that fee for? Are you doi- are you lifting weights? Are you carrying something? Are you... If you're gonna take my s- my ticket is if it's a physical ticket and you have to fly it in a fucking airplane across the country, it costs 35 cents. (laughs)

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe40:32

       (laughs)

    7. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       I mean, think about how crazy that is. Like, a fucking Uk- it costs 35 cents. Is that what it is for a stamp today? I have no-

    9. THTony Hinchcliffe40:40

       I think it's more even.

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:40

        ... idea.

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe40:40

        I have a shirt.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:41

        Let's go crazy-

    13. THTony Hinchcliffe40:42

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:42

        ... and say it's 50 cents.

    15. THTony Hinchcliffe40:43

        Yeah. (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:43

        For 50 cents, someone will take a fucking letter and bring it to Alaska for you. They'll bring it across the country. They'll put it in Hawaii. They'll bring your fucking letter to Hawaii for 50 cents. I don't know if that's true.

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe40:57

        True.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:57

        Is it different when you send something to Hawaii?

    19. THTony Hinchcliffe40:59

        I don't think so. First class US mail, nah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:01

        It's probably not, right?

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe41:03

        They, think they just fly it. They-

    22. Yeah.

    23. ... fly everything, right?

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:05

        Meanwhile, if you wanna buy a ticket, they want, like, what do they get, like 18%?

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe41:07

        It's a convenience fee too. Convenience fee they call it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:09

        Oh, it's convenient.

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe41:10

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:11

        So convenient you just take my money. (laughs)

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe41:13

        Someone's just getting money for nothing.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:15

        Well, then there's the other thing, man, that's e- equally weird is that people are allowed to buy tickets and then sell them at exorbitant rates.
11. 43:26 – 55:01

    Media moral panics and the ‘fake’ reality TV pipeline (Cheaters, Springer, Maury)

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:26

       Do you remember when, um, Al Gore's wife was trying to stop rap? Remember that?

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe43:31

       Parental advisory, right?

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:32

       Yeah, she was the one.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe43:34

       That was her?

    5. 2 Live Crew?

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       Mm-hmm, Tipper Gore.

    7. THTony Hinchcliffe43:36

       Wow. Tipper Gore sounds like she'd be a great rapper. She's got a good rap name.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:40

       Sounds like an old-

    9. THTony Hinchcliffe43:42

       Tipper Gore.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:42

        ... white politician.

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe43:43

        Yeah, Tipa.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:45

        You know? From Boston.

    13. THTony Hinchcliffe43:48

        Gopher.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:49

        Massachusetts recognizes the great senator, Tipper Gore.

    15. THTony Hinchcliffe43:53

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:53

        Thank you. He's fat and corrupt, he gets up there. Big, big fucking gin blossoms on his face. Hammered the night before, talking shit. That's like an Ed Kennedy or Ted Kennedy looking guy.

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe44:05

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:05

        Like Tipper Gore.

    19. THTony Hinchcliffe44:07

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:07

        Doesn't sound like a lady who's trying to stop rap music.

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe44:09

        I can picture that.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:10

        That was like a big part of her thing as the vice president's wife, she was trying to stop... Put lyrics on, um, parental advisories, on rap music. That was back when 2 Live Crew were getting arrested. We forget about that. That's why-

    23. THTony Hinchcliffe44:24

        What'd they get arrested for?

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:25

        Bad lyrics.

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe44:27

        Oh, no.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        For b- bad language.

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe44:29

        Profanity, right?

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:30

        Profanity.

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe44:30

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:30

        Yeah, yeah.
12. 55:01 – 1:07:14

    South Park as boundaryless satire—and censorship fights with China and religion

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:01

       All right. Okay. Oh, Legend. Oh, Legend show. Legend show. That, that show- Unbelievable. One of the greatest...... pr- like, entertainment franchises, uh, uh, whether it's sports, music, m- films.

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe55:17

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:17

       Greatest franchise ever is South Park.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe55:19

       No doubt about it.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:20

       They get away with so much because it's all cartoon. So they can have people get their head chopped off. (laughs) They can have, get beat to death, lose arms, squirt right out of their armpits because it's so not real looking. Like, Canadians, their heads aren't even attached.

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe55:34

       Right. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:34

       (laughs)

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe55:36

       Their mouths and the top of their head.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:38

       It's the top of your head. The top of your head just floats in the air.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe55:40

        (laughs) .

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        It's so crazy to (laughs) that they have that for Canadians. It's, that's, it's so funny. But it's not even that mean, you know what I mean? But it, but it's so ridiculous that they differentiate, like, they're not even human. They're this different thing. Their fucking heads aren't connected. (laughs)

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe55:58

        That show's so crazy, it's insane.

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        It's the best show ever. And look at that. Oh my God, South Park continues to mock China. (laughs)

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe56:08

        You ever see the-

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:09

        Well, they re- do you know they removed South Park from China? But see, like, you can't trick them the way they tricked the NBA. Those guys have plenty of money.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe56:19

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:19

        Like, they don't need your money. They're there to make this wild-ass show, and so if you give them a reason, like, "Oh, you're gonna take away the China money." (laughs) It's so much money.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe56:29

        (laughs) Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:30

        You can't, you're not gonna stop those guys by cutting off some of the money.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe56:34

        And they own almost everything, they almost have an EGOT.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:37

        Yes.

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe56:37

        They're one- they're one away from literally accomplishing, you know.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:41

        Yeah, they've done everything. They've been around forever. They've, they put together a play that's a, a musical. They put together films. I mean, Team America: World Police is still to this day one of my all-time favorite comedies. And then before that, the South Park movie. Remember when the South Park movie, when the, the devil was gay for Saddam Hussein? And like, you see, like, big fake, like it was dicks, you could see his dick.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe57:04

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:05

        Remember? Beca- but because it was like a cartoon, you're like allowed to see a dick. You're like, "This is crazy."

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe57:09

        You ever seen Lemmy Winks, the episode Lemmy Winks?

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        Which one's that?

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe57:13

        My favorite of all time. It's the one where, uh, Mr. Garrison wants to get fired from his job that I think they were just paying people or something like that. So he's trying to get fired, so he had Mis- he hired Mr. Slave to come in and try to get him fired, uh, by doing gay stuff. Like, and then-

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:30

        (laughs)

    30. THTony Hinchcliffe57:30

        'Cause he found out he could sue the school 'cause if he gets fired for being a gay guy or whatever. So eventually, he has Mr. Slave come in, and each-
13. 1:07:14 – 1:24:53

    JFK, secret societies, Bohemian Grove, and Kennedy’s secrecy warning

    1. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:14

       I'd go back to the J- I- I would- I'd be on the grassy knoll, that day at JFK.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:18

       Oh, yeah, that's a good one too.

    3. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:20

       In Dallas.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:20

       That's a good one too.

    5. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:20

       I w-... I'd just- just to-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:21

       Would you be on the grassy knoll or would you be in the book depository? See, if you're in the book depository, then you know that Lee Harvey Oswald isn't there.

    7. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:28

       I think he may have even been there. I think he may have even been firing, but I don't, I, I don't believe that he was the only one.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

       I'm with you. That's exactly what I think. I think he could have been in on it and maybe he didn't even fire it.

    9. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:40

       Right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:41

        But when they sa- when he said that he was a patsy, (clicks tongue) you know, the way he said it, (sighs) when he got arrested, he said, "I'm just a patsy." That is, that's like a guy who knew he was gonna get in trouble for something.

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe1:07:53

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:07:53

        That's not like a regular guy. He was not a regular guy. H- they easily could have talked him into doing something fucked up and then they did something as well and, and blamed it all on him, and they had him set up for it.

    13. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:05

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:08:05

        He seemed like a wacky dude.

    15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:07

        Someone that did that and made that shot and really wanted him dead would own it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:08:11

        Mm-hmm.

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:11

        Quite the opposite.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:08:13

        Yeah.

    19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:13

        At that point, you're not trying to not go to prison.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:08:15

        (clears throat) Well, maybe he is, but it didn't seem like it. He didn't seem like a guy who just shot someone. He also didn't seem like a guy who was shocked that he was getting arrested for something. But you could make someone a patsy back then. That was real. You could set someone up and then you hired Jack Ruby to just run up on the guy and shoot him, and he just did it. Now the guy's dead. Jack Ruby drops the gun. They put him in a nice jail cell. I don't know if it was a nice jail cell. I have no idea.

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:45

        How, and then what happened to Jack Ruby? Something happened to him, right?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:08:47

        (clears throat) Died in jail, got cancer.

    23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:48

        How much do you know about those three guys that they thought might have been it?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:08:50

        I think, maybe that's John Gotti.

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:52

        The three hobos or the three guys under the bridge or-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:08:54

        Yeah. Well, one of 'em was Woody Harrelson's dad.

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:56

        Yeah, that, that, they were in the CIA, right? Or they thought they were.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:08:59

        Something.

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:59

        Or who knows?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:00

        (coughs) Look, Kennedy was not a popular guy by any stretch of the imagination f- with a giant chunk of the population.

Episode duration: 2:49:00