Joe Rogan Experience #1407 - Michael Malice

1. 0:02 – 0:52

   Tarantula hawks, parasitic horror stories, and nature’s “theological dilemmas”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      And... booyah. So what were you saying about tarantula hawks?

   2. MMMichael Malice0:06

      Tarantula hawk wasps.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Yeah, that- they're-

   4. MMMichael Malice0:08

      They're like- they're-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      ... that big fucker that mane resent me.

   6. MMMichael Malice0:09

      Yeah. So this is one of the... There's a guy who made a scale, right? And he got stung by all the different insects. And this is f-... I think five. There's also a five plus. They're very hard to get you to sting them. There's a guy who, online, goes through and gets them all stung. But the reason they're so dangerous, or- or- or so venomous, what they do is they sting the tarantula, lay their eggs inside the tarantula, and then the tarantula's eaten alive by the offspring-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:35

      Right.

   8. MMMichael Malice0:35

      ... for weeks.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:36

      Right.

   10. MMMichael Malice0:36

       And then when this was discovered, this kinda stuff, in the Middle Ages, they were like, "This is a big theological dilemma, because Go- why would God (laughs) make this happen?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah, why would God do that?

   12. MMMichael Malice0:47

       Nature is... I mean, I could go down this rabbit hole f- for hours with you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Please do.

   14. MMMichael Malice0:52

       Yeah, I mean-

2. 0:52 – 4:01

   Corpse flowers and “butthole plants”: evolution’s marketing tricks

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:52

      Have you seen that gigantic flower that they found that smells like shit?

   2. MMMichael Malice0:56

      Rafflesia. So one of the n- uh... one of the cousins to that flower is called something infanticida. So the i- insane thing about that flower, a rafflesia, it's the largest flower in the world, it only lasts two weeks.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      Yeah.

   4. MMMichael Malice1:07

      But the plant-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:08

      It's a parasite.

   6. MMMichael Malice1:09

      Right. So the plant that it comes from has no stems, roots, or leaves.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:14

      Yeah.

   8. MMMichael Malice1:14

      So you can't keep it on display, 'cause it is entirely inside another, uh, species of vine.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Yeah, it's completely parasitic, right?

   10. MMMichael Malice1:22

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       It just, it just sits there, and it's fucking huge. Look at that thing.

   12. MMMichael Malice1:24

       Yeah, and they smell. Uh, they sm- uh, they're called corpse flowers 'cause they smell like rotting flesh too.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       How weird.

   14. MMMichael Malice1:29

       And they don't know why it's so big.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       I- I guess to trap rats. That's what I would imagine.

   16. MMMichael Malice1:34

       No, it doesn't. It's n- it's not carnivorous. It's the flower.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Just get sneaky.

   18. MMMichael Malice1:37

       Yeah, so-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       I don't know. They're, they're adapting, bro. That's what it is.

   20. MMMichael Malice1:39

       (laughs) They're getting-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       They're getting ready to eat people. Look how big they are.

   22. MMMichael Malice1:42

       They're gorgeous.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       They are beautiful. Oh, wow, look at that one where the guy's got his hand on it before it blooms.

   24. MMMichael Malice1:47

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       So that's what it looks like sitting on the ground, and then it pops open. That's some fucking Avatar shit right there.

   26. MMMichael Malice1:54

       So I have something from the island of Socotra, which is an archipelago near the coast of Yemen called duvalindra, D-U-V-A-L-I-N-D-R-A, and their flowers look and smell like meat-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Whoa.

   28. MMMichael Malice2:08

       ... because you wanna attract flies.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       Okay.

   30. MMMichael Malice2:09

       And the hotter it gets in the house, the more the flower smells.
3. 4:01 – 6:34

   Mind control in the wild: cordyceps, worms, and parasitic takeovers

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      Are there any plants that have the same effect on people, that, like, um... you know that one... well, not... it's not even a plant, actually. It's a fungus. So there's one s- branch of the cordyceps mushroom that infects ants and gets them to explode?

   2. MMMichael Malice4:14

      Oh, it makes them insane, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:15

      So that they spr- spray the spores everywhere. They die. It grows inside of them, then literally explodes out into the air, so the spores will infect other ants.

   4. MMMichael Malice4:24

      Well-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      So when ants find out that one of their members has been infected, they'll take that ant way out of the community. Like, way... they'll take him on a walk-

   6. MMMichael Malice4:32

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      ... 'cause they know somehow or another that this thing is gonna blow up on all their family.

   8. MMMichael Malice4:36

      They took... they had found footage of this, and literally, like, the mushroom grows out of the ant's head-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      Yeah.

   10. MMMichael Malice4:41

       ... and then it pops out. It's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Yeah.

   12. MMMichael Malice4:42

       It's... there's a lot of things that w- they're learning now about nature controlling the minds of other beings-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Yes.

   14. MMMichael Malice4:50

       ... which is really a recent kind of discovery, and really-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       Like Fox News.

   16. MMMichael Malice4:54

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Right? Yeah.

   18. MMMichael Malice4:56

       Fox News, am I right? (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       (laughs)

   20. MMMichael Malice4:58

       That's more like Faux News. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Am I right? (laughs) Yeah, that- that sort of, um, parasitic relationship. We... one of my favorite ones ever was the, um, the grasshopper that gets infected by this aquatic worm, and the aquatic worm gets it to commit suicide so that it can give birth to this worm. It literally gets into the wiring of the grasshopper's brain and convinces it to jump into a puddle. (laughs)

   22. MMMichael Malice5:22

       What about the louse that eats fishes' tongues-

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Oh, yeah.

   24. MMMichael Malice5:25

       ... and then becomes a functional tongue?

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       And becomes a tongue, yeah.

   26. MMMichael Malice5:28

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       Fuck.

   28. MMMichael Malice5:29

       So there's, there's a lot of this, this kinda crazy stuff. I... my understanding is the majority of species are actually parasitic.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Really?

   30. MMMichael Malice5:37

       Yeah, they're s-... 'cause it's so much easier to be a parasite. You latch on-
4. 6:34 – 8:18

   Deep-sea weirdness and bioluminescent aliens living on Earth

   1. MMMichael Malice6:34

      I, I, I wouldn't know. (laughs) No, I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah. I agree. It's, it... But it's just all so weird how w- we're finding out things that are even crazier and crazier. Like, right now, they're doing a lot of deep sea exploration. And the things at the bottom of the ocean are just like h- what is this? You saw that Deepstaria thing?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MMMichael Malice6:51

      The, the jellyfish that looks like a lava lamp?

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      Yes. Yeah.

   5. MMMichael Malice6:53

      So it's just like, "W- w- what is this?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      Yeah. Pull, pull up that fucking thing.

   7. MMMichael Malice6:56

      Yeah. Deepstaria?

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      Yeah. There's a, am-... That's a, that's one of the more amazing things about the bottom of the ocean, right, is the bioluminescence. We see these-

   9. MMMichael Malice7:03

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       ... these creatures that have a light source. (laughs)

   11. MMMichael Malice7:06

       They give off lights.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Well, there's also dragon fish use a red light source because red doesn't show off, show up for others.

   13. MMMichael Malice7:13

       Oh, my God.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       So they can see with it but no one else can. It's like night vision. Oh. Oh, that's so crazy.

   15. MMMichael Malice7:18

       Oh, yeah. This is the one. You saw this?

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       Yeah.

   17. MMMichael Malice7:19

       This is just amazing. Oh, it's so cool.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       That's pretty... That's so pretty.

   19. MMMichael Malice7:23

       And the... And what's amazing is how they're freaking out. The scientists are watching it, they're like, "What is going on?" Oh, I love this thing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       Look at that thing.

   21. MMMichael Malice7:30

       And it also has a parasite on it, or a symbiotic relationship. There's a copepod living inside.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       Resident isopod?

   23. MMMichael Malice7:36

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       Is that what that is?

   25. MMMichael Malice7:36

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       Well, fuck, look how pretty that is.

   27. MMMichael Malice7:38

       Now, this thing has never seen light for millions of years. It's the bottom of the sea. So the fact that it knows how to react is a, or is having a reaction is, is a, um, uh, pretty cool.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Just the fact that that's a real thing that exists. If we found that on a planet somewhere, we would freak out. "This is the overlord! This is the overmind of the planet! And it's in a gelatinous form and it communicates to you with vibrations!"

   29. MMMichael Malice8:01

       This is why, um, my autism wouldn't let me watch Star Trek as a kid.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Oh.
5. 8:18 – 10:43

   Octopus battles, animal mating strategies, and dark ecology humor

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      Look at that. You've seen the video of the octopus taking out the seagull?

   2. MMMichael Malice8:21

      Oh, yeah. What about the blanket octopus? Do you know about those?

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      But, but what's interesting though is they saved an eagle. An octopus took out an eagle in Vancouver Island.

   4. MMMichael Malice8:29

      An eagle?

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      Yes, an eagle. And the fisherman pulled it ashore and removed the octopus from the noble eagle. But a seagull, they were like-

   6. MMMichael Malice8:37

      Yeah, fuck it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      ... "Sorry, bitch. That's a wrap."

   8. MMMichael Malice8:39

      Well, they're nasty. They're thieves.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:40

      Well, they are thieves, but I think that, uh, we're-

   10. MMMichael Malice8:42

       And they smell.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       Uh, eagles are thieves too.

   12. MMMichael Malice8:44

       That's true.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       We were talking about a company that has, uh, raised organic chickens that lost $2.2 million in chickens to eagles. (laughs) They-

   14. MMMichael Malice8:52

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:52

       They killed 160,000 eagles.

   16. MMMichael Malice8:55

       Oh my-

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       Or excuse me, the eagles killed 160,000 chickens.

   18. MMMichael Malice8:57

       Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       So here it is, the octopus caught a bald eagle.

   20. MMMichael Malice9:01

       A bald eagle.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       Yeah.

   22. MMMichael Malice9:01

       Why does that octopus hate America?

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Well, he doesn't. He's in Canada.

   24. MMMichael Malice9:04

       Huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       Bald eagles live in Canada too. They're expats. They go over there to party and to have sex with underage eagles.

   26. MMMichael Malice9:11

       They, they were draft dodgers. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Yeah. For sure.

   28. MMMichael Malice9:13

       (laughs) Those bald eagles.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:13

       They... There's no rules up there in that wild land to the north. But look at that, they decided to save the fucking thing. Isn't that weird?

   30. MMMichael Malice9:20

       Oh, my God. Wow.
6. 10:43 – 13:30

   Greta Thunberg, climate messaging, and Australia’s fires

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:43

      I was saying that earlier. First podcast, that a friend of mine who actually used to work with autistic kids thinks that girl is autistic.

   2. MMMichael Malice10:51

      She is autistic. She says it. It's on her Twitter bio.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      Oh. Well, there you go.

   4. MMMichael Malice10:54

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:55

      I didn't know. That's how little I've... I'm paying attention to the news these days.

   6. MMMichael Malice10:58

      Yeah, yeah. It's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:58

      I'm so happy.

   8. MMMichael Malice10:59

      So we should definitely listen to the 16-year-old college high school dropout about science.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:04

      So she is autistic? It says that on her... It says, "I am autistic-"

   10. MMMichael Malice11:07

       Yeah, Asperger's. Which is not a diagnosis anymore.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Plus... "I am autistic," plus, "How dare you?"

   12. MMMichael Malice11:12

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       "Se- 17-year-old climate change environmental activist with Asperger's."

   14. MMMichael Malice11:16

       Oh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       Was that always there, with Asperger's?

   16. MMMichael Malice11:18

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       Really?

   18. MMMichael Malice11:19

       So my most successful tweet ever was I said, "There's a-"

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       How many tweets... How many... Excuse me, how many followers does she have, Jamie? Only s-... What?

   20. MMMichael Malice11:26

       Four million, almost.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       Three point nine one million.

   22. MMMichael Malice11:29

       Yeah, yeah. Those are rookie numbers, you gotta bump that up. Uh, my biggest ever tweet I said, "There's no one more privileged than the girl who refuses to go to school until everyone on Earth changes the weather for her." And then people are like, "Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah."

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Yes, I saw that. (laughs)

   24. MMMichael Malice11:41

       And I'm like, "Okay, here's the rule. Weather is when it contradicts your bullshit. Climate is when it supports your bullshit."

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       It's not weather, it's climate.

   26. MMMichael Malice11:48

       Okay. Right, right. Gotcha.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Go back to that first video th- that's on her page, the pinned video. See it there? Can you play that? I wanna hear what she has to say.

   28. MMMichael Malice11:57

       Oh, good.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Super important.Fridays for Future, the school strike continues. This is in September, she was striking for school?

   30. NANarrator12:04

       ... on school strike for the climate.
7. 13:30 – 23:31

   Koalas, contagious cancer, and the brutal reality of reproduction in nature

   1. MMMichael Malice13:30

      A big problem with that is Australia, there's many species that only live there, they're endemic there, and Australia won't let them be exported. So, you don't have breeding colonies of platypus or echidna e- everywhere else. So, when something like this happens, it's really disproportionately bad.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:44

      Yeah, they were saying that koala bears are functionally extinct.

   3. MMMichael Malice13:47

      'Cause they-

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:47

      But then we... No, but then we Google that, and they, they were refuting that, right? Weren't they, Jamie?

   5. MMMichael Malice13:52

      Well, they're having this cancer which is contagious, and they're pissing themselves to the bone. Like, it's really, really bad what's happening-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      Oh, Jesus.

   7. MMMichael Malice13:59

      ... to them. Yeah. And I don't-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      Koala bears?

   9. MMMichael Malice13:59

      ... understand how cancer... Yeah. I don't understand how cancer could be contagious but-

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Oh. Well, that's right.

   11. MMMichael Malice14:03

       ... it's spreading venereally, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:04

       I read about that on, or I, I, I listened to that rather, on a Radiolab podcast.

   13. MMMichael Malice14:09

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       It was the only form of cancer that they had ever recorded that was contagious.

   15. MMMichael Malice14:12

       It makes no sense, but-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       So crazy.

   17. MMMichael Malice14:14

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       And all they eat is eucalyptus trees, right?

   19. MMMichael Malice14:17

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:17

       All they eat is, uh, one kind of leaf.

   21. MMMichael Malice14:19

       And they also have the smallest brain to body proportion of any animal, and they don't know why.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       They're violent when you fuck them, though.

   23. MMMichael Malice14:25

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       Violent. You try to fuck 'em?

   25. MMMichael Malice14:27

       I've never tried to fuck a koala.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       I don't know why I said that.

   27. MMMichael Malice14:30

       Are... But no, are they nasty?

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       No. They, they're... Well, they're wild animals-

   29. MMMichael Malice14:34

       Sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       ... and they're brutal during the mating process.
8. 23:31 – 29:17

   Culture wars in entertainment: ‘wokeness,’ casting, and reality vs. symbolism

   1. GUGuest23:31

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:31

      ... the musical.

   3. GUGuest23:32

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:32

      'Cause I have daughters.

   5. GUGuest23:34

      Fair.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:34

      So I went to see Frozen. First of all, it was at the Pantages. It's a wonderful production. It's excellent. It's really good. I mean, I actually enjoyed the, the, the musical. It's very good. However, um, it's about people that live in the Arctic, or they, they live in the N- Nordic country, right?

   7. GUGuest23:49

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:49

      That's what it's supposed to be about. They're all these blonde people, white people. Well, the dad's Black in, in the musical and the mom's Chinese.

   9. GUGuest23:57

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       Okay? And then the dad's Black and the mom's Chinese, which is great. They're great actors.

   11. GUGuest24:01

       And the daughter's white.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       Then they have kids.

   13. GUGuest24:02

       Who are ar-

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Okay? And the kid, one of the kids is Chinese and one of the kids is white. And then the kids grow up and they're both white. And you're like-

   15. GUGuest24:08

       Wait, the Chinese girl becomes white?

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       Oh, yes. The Chinese girl becomes white, and there's no explanation given at all. The Chinese girl's little. She's Chinese. Or I, I should say Chinese. I'm a piece of shit and I'm... This is a terrible thing to say. I meant to say Asian.

   17. GUGuest24:19

       Chi-... You meant Chinaman.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       No, I didn't.

   19. GUGuest24:21

       She's a, she's a little Chinaman.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:22

       I did. She's a girl, asshole.

   21. GUGuest24:24

       A Chinaman girl.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:24

       She was a... I don't know if she was Chinese. She was a young Asian girl.

   23. GUGuest24:27

       Did she make-

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:28

       And she became a white girl.

   25. GUGuest24:30

       Did she make pee-pee in your Coke? That's how you know.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:33

       ... uh, she was great at her job. I mean, she had perfect, uh, singing and everything was beautiful. The per- they're- they're- they were very talented. But they're requiring you to make this leap. Like, now you have to know that this is now a different ethnicity.

   27. MMMichael Malice24:49

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       This is a different person.

   29. MMMichael Malice24:51

       Well-

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       And not just a different person, but you can't even pretend that it's the same person. Like, in most movies where you have someone plays a young version of the guy, it looks like the guy. It's not like you have a young Chinese guy who becomes Clint Eastwood.
9. 29:17 – 33:20

   Child drag culture to child sexual abuse: a sudden turn into a serious conversation

   1. MMMichael Malice29:17

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:17

      You're definitely wrong. No, it's, uh ... Yeah, it's ... Look, do you remember when they had that 11-year-old drag queen?

   3. MMMichael Malice29:24

      Oh, th- that Desmond Dismazing?

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:25

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. MMMichael Malice29:26

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:26

      And they were making this big deal about it.

   7. MMMichael Malice29:28

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:28

      And he's going to drag clubs and dancing around and they put it on th- the news like it was some ... This ... What a- what a great thing, what a great thing. He's living his truth, he's so brave. Like, imagine if there was a 12-year-old that was just sworn to be a hoe. Like, "I am a hoe."

   9. MMMichael Malice29:45

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:45

       "I'm just gonna wear fishnets-"

   11. MMMichael Malice29:46

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:47

       "... and high heels, and I'm gonna stick my ass out and I'm gonna dance and pout around with a lot of ma- a lot of makeup on." How different is that?

   13. MMMichael Malice29:54

       Well, he's also on the spectrum, I think. I'm 99% sure.

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       Mm-hmm.

   15. MMMichael Malice29:57

       So the ... And there's photos of him with-

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       There he is.

   17. MMMichael Malice29:59

       ... with naked drag queens, Violet Chachki. And it's just like, look, this is something for ... What- what if there's, like, a little boy who's being at Chippendales? You know what I mean?

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:08

       Mm-hmm.

   19. MMMichael Malice30:08

       It's like, how is this a- appropriate for kids? And- and it's on-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       Different.

   21. MMMichael Malice30:11

       ... Good Morning America.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       It's different. Is there a bunch of ladies screaming and trying to get that dick?

   23. MMMichael Malice30:15

       Well, I mean, that would be the equivalent, right? 'Cause he's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Yeah.

   25. MMMichael Malice30:18

       ... performing at gay clubs and they're cheering him on. That's a place where guys go to hook up with guys.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       Well, here's the question, too. Do you think guys have hooked up with him?

   27. MMMichael Malice30:25

       No. Oh, G- I hope not. Oh, let's talk-

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       I hope not.

   29. MMMichael Malice30:27

       You wanna talk about this? Because th- this is a rabbit hole that I've been on recently.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Oh, boy, you been on the-
10. 33:20 – 40:47

    Pedophilia framing debates and the dangers of accusation hysteria

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       Have you seen this very strange trend that's rare, but common enough and actually predicted, where people are talking about people that are pedophiles, that it's some sort of a sexual inclination, that we should have-

    2. MMMichael Malice33:33

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       ... sympathy for them because it's no d- ... it's nothing they asked for, and it's no different than being born gay or being ... you're ... it is just a thing where you're born in a way that ... Is there any science to back that up at all?

    4. MMMichael Malice33:46

       I, I, uh, would perfectly happy to believe that people can be born with this inclination. I don't care. If I'm born with an inclination that I wanna murder people, well, I better figure out how to deal with this.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       Yeah.

    6. MMMichael Malice33:55

       You know what I mean?

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:56

       Right.

    8. MMMichael Malice33:57

       Uh, and I, I think that's a complete, in many ways, red herring. If it's something that they can't change, that does ... that makes it worse. That, that means you, you c- ... have no reason to even, uh-

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       Exist.

    10. MMMichael Malice34:07

        Or, or r-

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:07

        Too dangerous.

    12. MMMichael Malice34:08

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:08

        Right. You're like a cannibal that can only eat meat.

    14. MMMichael Malice34:10

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:11

        Like a vampire living amongst us.

    16. MMMichael Malice34:12

        Right. And-

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:13

        Because instead of sealing souls, you're stealing someone's future.

    18. MMMichael Malice34:15

        And, and the thing about these types is they're very common. They're ... Like any, uh, predator, you're gonna be drawn to where the resources are.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:23

        Mm-hmm.

    20. MMMichael Malice34:23

        So they're gonna be disproportionate in those, uh, fields where you are interacting with your targets.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:29

        Right.

    22. MMMichael Malice34:30

        So that's what makes it so sick. It's not like you have these ideas. Okay, fine, you can have whatever ideas you want. You are s- laying those, that groundwork, uh, you know, to prey on these kids, and you know what you're doing.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:41

        Ugh.

    24. MMMichael Malice34:41

        It's, it's, uh, and again, I, I, I don't know what to do with this information, but I do know that this is really, really bad. And, you know, people talk about, this is the truest form of being a victim there is.

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:52

        And the sickest part about it to me is how many of these kids go on to molest other kids.

    26. MMMichael Malice34:57

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:59

        It's, it's, uh, like, like a, like a disease, like they've caught a disease.

    28. MMMichael Malice35:04

        I, um, well, I told Matt that he sh- ... There's two ways, right? They go on ... I told Matt, "You should, uh, consider reaching out to this guy and telling him you forgive him," because he's like, uh, because, uh, it's possible that you were like 10 or 11, you're doing this, you grow up, and you realize what you'd done and what this means. And I don't know how you could live with yourself.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:26

        Right.

    30. MMMichael Malice35:26

        It's-
11. 40:47 – 47:01

    Designer psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT, salvia, and reality-warping experiences

    1. MMMichael Malice40:47

       Have you-

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:47

       It's a fun way to do it, though. It's like, uh, you know, it's like skiing downhill when you're not sure if you could stop.

    3. MMMichael Malice40:51

       Have you tried the new ones, like Moxie and TX-6 or something?

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:55

       What, new weed?

    5. MMMichael Malice40:56

       No, there's new types of, like, psychedelics.

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:58

       Oh, I don't know about that.

    7. MMMichael Malice40:59

       You're over that shit?

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:00

       I don't need that. The stuff that's real is good enough. These people wanna try out something other than mushrooms? Like, what are you looking for?

    9. MMMichael Malice41:06

       I-

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:06

        Are you a... Acid's not strong enough for you?

    11. MMMichael Malice41:08

        I don't think it, I, there's one that you could turn off.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:10

        Oh, you turn it off?

    13. MMMichael Malice41:11

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:12

        Like, with a switch? Like an app?

    15. MMMichael Malice41:13

        Like, no, like, you know like how if you're drunk, you can kinda make yourself sober if you need to? So this is a psychedelic that you can switch off.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:20

        Oh. Really?

    17. MMMichael Malice41:20

        What's it called, the Moxie? Hold on.

    18. GUGuest41:22

        (laughs) This is Oxy. It's 5-MeO-

    19. MMMichael Malice41:23

        Yeah.

    20. GUGuest41:24

        ... MIPT.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:25

        S- so, hallucinogenic-

    22. MMMichael Malice41:25

        What is it called? Hold on. There's Moxie and then 2C-B is the other one.

    23. GUGuest41:29

        I've heard of 2C-B from the Kanye song.

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:31

        Oh.

    25. MMMichael Malice41:31

        Oh, is that from the Kanye song? Okay.

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:32

        An analog of the more popular drug 5-MeO-DiPT, Foxy Mox, (laughs) Foxy Methoxy.

    27. MMMichael Malice41:39

        Isn't that great? It's got an old timey name. I've never heard of it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:41

        Interesting. Foxy Methoxy's a great name. Hmm.

    29. MMMichael Malice41:46

        So it's like, I guess, hipster mushrooms. You probably haven't heard of it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:49

        Well, they're always coming up with new things to avoid certain drug tests where they just alter a, a chemical-
12. 47:01 – 57:15

    Religion as ancient pharmacology: Delphi gas, Soma, and mushroom-based origin theories

    1. MMMichael Malice47:01

       Well, they also, there's a book called The Oracle about the Oracle at Delphi, right? And she had these visions and she would prophecy the future, and they went there and they found that, they found her stool. She was sitting over-

    2. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Her poo or her stool that she sat on?

    3. MMMichael Malice47:12

       Like it's got three legs to it.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       Oh, okay.

    5. MMMichael Malice47:14

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       I thought like an animal, you know.

    7. MMMichael Malice47:16

       (laughs) Cop- what's it called?

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Just a little sample.

    9. MMMichael Malice47:17

       Copro- what's the thing for dinosaur poo? Fossilized copro something?

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:21

        Oh.

    11. MMMichael Malice47:22

        Um, they- they- you can get those. Um-

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:24

        Can you buy dinosaur poo?

    13. MMMichael Malice47:25

        Yeah, fossilized. Yeah, yeah. Um, it- she- so they found, she was sitting over a crack-

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:30

        Whoa.

    15. MMMichael Malice47:30

        ... with natural gas coming out. So she's getting high off of whatever that is.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:33

        Oh, no shit. So there was natural gas leaking out through the ground where she was partying.

    17. MMMichael Malice47:38

        Yeah. So of course she's gonna be speaking gibberish and, and having all these visions, because she's getting... It's like po- it's like, you know, like, like, um, like, uh, when you, what's with the, when you inhale the-

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:47

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, laughing gas.

    19. MMMichael Malice47:49

        Huffing.

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:49

        When you go to the-

    21. MMMichael Malice47:50

        The huffing.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:50

        Huffing, yeah. Oh.

    23. MMMichael Malice47:51

        Nitrous.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:53

        Oh, then it totally makes sense.

    25. MMMichael Malice47:54

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:54

        I think that's probably a lot of these cases.

    27. MMMichael Malice47:56

        Of course.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        Wacky things that people did. I mean, it only makes sense. I mean, they- they never did figure out what Soma is in the, the ancient Hindu, Hindu-

    29. MMMichael Malice48:07

        Is that right?

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:08

        Yeah. Yeah, they- they think it might have been some kind of psychedelic, but they don't know what. Like, there's all this different speculation, like some people think it was a combinatory, that it was, uh, it was like psilocybin mixed with something else and lotus flower. There's all these, like, different- different theories, but nobody really knows. But Soma was obviously something that they were taking as a sacrament that would have these profound effects. That's most likely the root of all of these crazy religious experiences. These people were tripping their fucking balls off, and they weren't lying. Like, God did come to them.
13. 57:15 – 1:05:09

    Theme-park VR, fear simulations, and the Alex Honnold free-solo rabbit hole

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:15

       See if you can pull up a video of what it looks like to ride...

    2. GUGuest57:19

       I think it used to be the Back to the Future ride, didn't it?

    3. MMMichael Malice57:21

       Oh, is that it?

    4. JRJoe Rogan57:22

       Did it?

    5. GUGuest57:22

       Hmm, I think so.

    6. JRJoe Rogan57:23

       What?

    7. GUGuest57:24

       Uh, they, they at least ran it the same way. I don't know if-

    8. MMMichael Malice57:26

       They just made Marty into Bart. (laughs)

    9. GUGuest57:27

       If the thing, like ...

    10. JRJoe Rogan57:28

        Maybe they have both there and they go back and ... I dunno. I'm just talking ass r- r- right now, I don't really ... I have no idea if that's true.

    11. MMMichael Malice57:36

        Huh.

    12. JRJoe Rogan57:36

        But I remember the Back to the Future ride too, now that you're thinking about it. Apparently they just redid the, uh, Jurassic Park ride too. That's supposed to be cool. But The Simpsons ride is amazing. It's so good. It's so good 'cause it's all virtual, you're not going anywhere. You're sitting still but you swear to God you're in a, you're on a rollercoaster-

    13. MMMichael Malice57:51

        Oh, are those-

    14. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        ... and you're flying.

    15. MMMichael Malice57:52

        Is it, like, one of those where the seat moves too and starts ... Oh, I love that shit.

    16. JRJoe Rogan57:55

        Mm-hmm, yeah. And you're, you're f- in front of this massive high definition screen.

    17. MMMichael Malice57:58

        Yeah, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:58

        With the inf- incredible graphics.

    19. MMMichael Malice58:00

        Do you put the glasses on too?

    20. JRJoe Rogan58:01

        I don't think you do.

    21. MMMichael Malice58:02

        Oh, okay.

    22. JRJoe Rogan58:02

        I don't remember though. I don't remember.

    23. MMMichael Malice58:05

        I did something like that in Atlanta-

    24. JRJoe Rogan58:06

        Haven't been in a couple of years.

    25. MMMichael Malice58:07

        ... it was really cool.

    26. JRJoe Rogan58:08

        The sh- the best one, the best one is, uh, the Avatar one at Disney World.

    27. MMMichael Malice58:14

        Okay.

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:15

        It's Flights of Passion. That's fucking incredible. That's n- so total next level.

    29. GUGuest58:20

        I saw some Disney dorks on YouTube reviewing, like, the new Star Wars ride that just opened up.

    30. JRJoe Rogan58:27

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:45:20