Joe Rogan Experience #1412 - Jimmy Dore

1. 0:00 – 1:52

   Navy Tic Tac UFO encounter and why the military is talking now

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Oh, here we go. (fists thudding) Good? Hello, Jimmy.

   2. JDJimmy Dore0:06

      Hi, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      What's going on, buddy?

   4. JDJimmy Dore0:08

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Good to see you.

   6. JDJimmy Dore0:09

      Good to see you too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      What's happening?

   8. JDJimmy Dore0:10

      Well, we were just talking about the, uh, uh, the Air Force admitting that their pilots had seen UFOs. And you were telling me you interviewed one of those-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yes.

   10. JDJimmy Dore0:18

       ... pilots.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       I interviewed Commander Fravor, and he was saying that this, this-

   12. JDJimmy Dore0:23

       Chocolate is be- my favorite.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs) Ah. (laughs)

   14. JDJimmy Dore0:25

       Come on.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       It's with an R, Fravor.

   16. JDJimmy Dore0:28

       Fra- oh, Fravor.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Fravor.

   18. JDJimmy Dore0:30

       Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Um, he was ta- I mean, he was one of the guys that actually went to... What did- what is the word they do when they scramble and go to try to figure out what the fuck something is? But they, they monitored this thing, they saw it with their eyes, they saw it with their equipment, it was actively jamming the radar, whatever this thing was.

   20. JDJimmy Dore0:49

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       It was shaped like a Tic Tac, and it moved so fast you couldn't track it with the human eye. They said it went from th- I think they said some, some impossible number, like 60,000 feet down to 200 feet in less than a second. Like, whatever you could tra-

   22. JDJimmy Dore1:02

       Right. Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       You know a radar does a blip, blip, blip, blip.

   24. JDJimmy Dore1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       They don't know how fast it actually went, they just know it, it went this insane distance in less than a second, less than a, a radar jump. And s-

   26. JDJimmy Dore1:16

       And s-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       And it would, it would... They da- ha- had observed them in that area without his knowledge, like, uh, other Air Force pilots had observed them-

   28. JDJimmy Dore1:24

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       ... and then had, you know, brought it up the top of the food chain, but it wasn't something that got distributed to everybody until he saw it. When he saw it, he was like, "What in the fuck am I looking at here?" And they're like, "Well, yeah, we've been seeing these things." And this thing, w- with no active propulsion system that you could recognize. There was nothing around.

   30. JDJimmy Dore1:43

       Right.
2. 1:52 – 3:17

   Space Force, threat narratives, and defense budgets as justification

   1. JDJimmy Dore1:52

      So when I covered this on my show, I said, "Now, I've heard reports that pilots see this stuff all the time, but they'd never confirmed it." And my question was, "Why now?" Why would the Air Force be confirming that they saw UFOs now? 'Cause th- again, like, they've been, there have been reports that pilots have seen this stuff forever. And I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm saying, why are they admitting it happened now? And then, of course, you see in this last, uh, defense budget, they put in money for a Space Force.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      Mm.

   3. JDJimmy Dore2:19

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      I think the money for the Space Force, though, isn't that because China's able to-

   5. JDJimmy Dore2:24

      That's what they say.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:24

      Ch- yeah.

   7. JDJimmy Dore2:25

      Whatever, whatever-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      China and Russia-

   9. JDJimmy Dore2:26

      ... they can do to make sure we wanna spend more money, that's what they'll do. "Hey, we saw a UFO. Hey, China. Hey, look over there. We gotta spend more money."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       They, do you think that's what it is?

   11. JDJimmy Dore2:33

       (laughs) Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       That's why they're admitting it?

   13. JDJimmy Dore2:34

       (laughs) Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       But Fravor, I guarantee you, isn't in that. He, he isn't involved with that.

   15. JDJimmy Dore2:36

       No, no, I guarantee you saw it. No, no, they're just now... But before, they would say, "That's not true." They, the, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Oh, I see.

   17. JDJimmy Dore2:41

       ... Air Force would go, "We don't acknowledge that." And now they're gonna acknowledge it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Right, you're probably right. There's probably something to that, that it's just about budgets and... But that's, I, I just, I wanna... I don't wanna be that cynical when it comes to something like that.

   19. JDJimmy Dore2:53

       Really? That cynical?

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       Yeah. I wanna think that-

   21. JDJimmy Dore2:57

       Come on, that's not cynical, that's two plus two.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       No, it's... It is, you're right.

   23. JDJimmy Dore3:00

       Okay.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       But it, it's also cynical that the only reason why they're telling us this is because of budgets.

   25. JDJimmy Dore3:03

       Oh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       It's both things.

   27. JDJimmy Dore3:04

       Yeah. Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       I, I... It is two point- I mean, look, it's, uh, 100% is wh- how they do it. If they need some sort of justification for s- expanding their reach or expanding their budget, they come up with some threat.

3. 3:17 – 5:45

   Impeachment vs. massive military spending: the contradiction Jimmy can’t drop

   1. JDJimmy Dore3:17

      Well, listen to this, Joe. Uh, I, this is what I keep telling people and no one (laughs) seems to think this is a big deal. But, uh, you know, the Democrats and the mainstream news have spent the last three years telling everybody that Trump is a Manchurian candidate, he's a traitor to our country, he's w- and working under the behest of Vladimir Putin. And while they're impeaching him, they're voting to give him an extra $131 billion to go bomb anybody he wants. And if he's bombing at the behest of Vladimir Putin, why would you give him an extra $131 billion? Now, let me tell you how much $131 billion is, Joe.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      Please do.

   3. JDJimmy Dore3:49

      Uh, well, $20 billion went on homelessness.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      And homelessness?

   5. JDJimmy Dore3:53

      Yeah. To be-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Is that real, though?

   7. JDJimmy Dore3:55

      That's, that's the, that's the figure.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      W- we could get to that in a moment, but I don't-

   9. JDJimmy Dore3:57

      But that's... Let's just, let's just say it's 20-

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Oh, let's just, okay.

   11. JDJimmy Dore3:59

       Let's just say it's $20 billion.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Okay.

   13. JDJimmy Dore4:00

       A year, a year. Not just once.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Right, right.

   15. JDJimmy Dore4:02

       But every year, you'd have to spend $20 billion.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       Right.

   17. JDJimmy Dore4:05

       Okay, guess what they're spending an extra $131 billion since Trump took office every year going forward on bombs. $131 billion. You could go-

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:13

       So if they just spent-

   19. JDJimmy Dore4:13

       Everybody could go to college.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       ... $110 billion, we'd have no homeless people.

   21. JDJimmy Dore4:16

       (laughs) Yes, if they took that money and put it towards it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       Mm.

   23. JDJimmy Dore4:20

       That's a lo- So somebody told me the difference between a million and a billion, so... I read this, so the... I don't know, maybe you wanna fact check, make sure I'm not full of shit again. But, um, so like a million seconds would be like 11 days, but a billion seconds is like 33 years.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Yeah, something like-

   25. JDJimmy Dore4:38

       Something like that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       ... yeah.

   27. JDJimmy Dore4:38

       I'm not sure if they'll... But it's close.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah.

   29. JDJimmy Dore4:41

       So that's, uh, $131 billion could do a lot of good things. You know, we could half our military budget and still, we'd still be spending more, more than any other country.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Now, why do you think that they would do that? Why do you think, while they're impeaching him, they would also approve this incredible budget increase for military?
4. 5:45 – 16:10

   Trump as comedian-in-chief—and the ‘speed’ speculation

   1. JDJimmy Dore5:45

      Like the other day, he was doing a signing l- so in 2019 was the 100, centenn- it was the 100-year anniversary, the centennial anniversary of women getting the right to vote, women's suffrage. So he was signing a thing commemorating it, the 100-year... They're gonna have a coin.... and as he's signing, he goes, "You know, I heard they've been working on getting this done for a long time, I wonder why it finally happened now." Well, because the centennial's now, dummy. You can't do it-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:09

      (laughs)

   3. JDJimmy Dore6:09

      ... why didn't 100 years happen faster? You can ... (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:12

      (laughs)

   5. JDJimmy Dore6:12

      And he's sitting around going, "Well, we get stuff done, huh? That's why it happened." And they're all looking at him like, "Okay, Mr. President."

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      (laughs)

   7. JDJimmy Dore6:19

      But he straight faces it. It's hilarious.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      Do you think he's on speed?

   9. JDJimmy Dore6:22

      And somebody ... Oh, well, so when he did that one video-

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       With the drawer open?

   11. JDJimmy Dore6:27

       ... with the drawer open and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       It was actually a photo. It was a photo when he was eating that taco bowl.

   13. JDJimmy Dore6:30

       Oh, right. That's it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Like, "I love Hispanics," remember that? It was after-

   15. JDJimmy Dore6:33

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       ... he said some rude shit about Mexicans. Jesus Christ.

   17. JDJimmy Dore6:36

       So he does this taco bowl thing, saying it, we ... "Trump Tower's the best taco bowls. I love Hispanics."

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Yeah.

   19. JDJimmy Dore6:41

       Yes. And the, the drawer was open and you saw-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       Yeah.

   21. JDJimmy Dore6:43

       ... he had that stuff from England or whatever, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:45

       Yeah. Super-

   23. JDJimmy Dore6:45

       The Sudafed.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Super powerful pseudo-ephedrine, which is essen- essentially a type of speed.

   25. JDJimmy Dore6:51

       Well, it's ... I, I like him on speed better than the other guy.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       (laughs)

   27. JDJimmy Dore6:55

       I like the speedy, speedy Trump. He's entertaining.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Well, the ... Sometimes it wears off though, and you see him slurring his words-

   29. JDJimmy Dore7:01

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       ... and it gets really weird.
5. 16:10 – 22:14

   Weed dependence, travel ‘flu,’ and why edibles can go sideways

   1. JDJimmy Dore16:10

      So let me ask you a question. When- when you ... When I would travel out of the country, I would always think that, oh, I get like a little cold, flu thing every time I travel out of the country. Like, I would get night sweats and I would kinda get headaches and I would feel a little fluey, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JDJimmy Dore16:28

      And then, uh, I got this dental implant and so I didn't s- I- so I want ... You know, they say don't smoke or whatever, so I'm like gonna be extra good, I didn't smoke for a whole week. I felt like I felt when I go to Europe and I'm like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      So you're saying you have a physical addiction?

   5. JDJimmy Dore16:41

      Yes! I was like, no way!

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      Wow.

   7. JDJimmy Dore16:44

      Did you ... I mean, that's why I wanted to ask you, does that ever happen to you when you travel outside the country?

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      No. No, but some people do have that apparently.

   9. JDJimmy Dore16:50

      Yes, like night sweats. It's the worst!

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       Night sweats?

   11. JDJimmy Dore16:53

       You wake up and your- you know as- as soon as I take this cover off, it's gonna be freezing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Really?

   13. JDJimmy Dore16:57

       Yeah. So I gotta-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       So like-

   15. JDJimmy Dore16:58

       ... get up and change my t-sh- I sor- I sleep in a t-shirt and, uh, and jeans.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       I didn't know that.

   17. JDJimmy Dore17:02

       And, uh ... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       (laughs)

   19. JDJimmy Dore17:04

       I like to be ready.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       And- and Timberlands.

   21. JDJimmy Dore17:06

       I wanna- I wanna go!

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       Now, do you sleep befo- do you smoke before you go to bed? Is that your move?

   23. JDJimmy Dore17:11

       Of course.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Okay. So it helps you sleep?

   25. JDJimmy Dore17:13

       Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Yeah. He-

   27. JDJimmy Dore17:14

       How about you?

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       No.

   29. JDJimmy Dore17:15

       R- it doesn't help you sleep?

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       No. No. No, when I smoke pot, I'm awake. I start thinking about shit I don't wanna go to sleep.
6. 22:14 – 44:31

   Carnivore diet, ketosis confusion, and ‘turmeric coffee’ as a gateway drug

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:14

      Well, if you do, you know, if you have diarrhea, it's like, it's one of those things, man. I've, I'm, I've been on this carnivore diet. Do you know what that is?

   2. JDJimmy Dore22:21

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:22

      I'm eating only meat for the entire month of January just to see what it's like. No vegetables, none, zero. I had an olive and I had one piece of chili mango. Actually, I had two pieces of chili mango. But, uh, that's it.

   4. JDJimmy Dore22:35

      And so is this good for you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:38

      That's where it gets weird. It's a really good question. I don't know. Um, I don't even know how I feel about it.

   6. JDJimmy Dore22:44

      So what, where did you get the idea to do it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:46

      Everybody's doing it.

   8. JDJimmy Dore22:47

      Oh, really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:47

      It's all the kids. All the crazy kids.

   10. JDJimmy Dore22:48

       So I did the Atkins thing. I did that-

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       (coughs) Yeah.

   12. JDJimmy Dore22:50

       ... like back in 2001 or something when I needed-

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JDJimmy Dore22:53

       ... to lose whatever. I did that and that, that worked like a... That does work.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       (clicks tongue) It's very similar.

   16. JDJimmy Dore22:59

       Oh, okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:59

       It's very similar in that, you know, you're just, you're eliminating carbs.

   18. JDJimmy Dore23:02

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:02

       And you, you get your body to go into ketosis. You're getting the bo- your body to burn fat.

   20. JDJimmy Dore23:06

       Ketosis, that's...

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       Yeah.

   22. JDJimmy Dore23:07

       What, Doctor-

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       Yeah, but it's, the thing about the carnivore diet though is, I t- I actually checked my piss with a ketone strip-

   24. JDJimmy Dore23:15

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:15

       ... and it showed that I'm not in ketosis, so you pee on the strip-

   26. JDJimmy Dore23:18

       How could you not be in ketosis?

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       I don't know. I, I think it's because I'm eating so much meat that when you have too much protein, there's something called glucogenesis, I think it's called, where your body breaks the protein down and turns it into glucose. And so, that fucks with your ketone levels and that keeps you from going into ketosis. But it doesn't affect your energy level. My energy levels have been amazing. Like, all day long, I'm flat. I'm, I'm sound like... (clears throat) When people always ask me, "Why do you always have like that cough?" It's this goddamn coffee. It's Laird Superfood Coffee. It, it coats your throat. It's delicious.

   28. JDJimmy Dore23:55

       It doe- it is delicious. I-

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:57

       I love it.

   30. JDJimmy Dore23:57

       I, when you said, "Hey, do you, do you like turmeric and you want it in your coffee?" I'm like, "What the, what the fuck do these kids-
7. 44:31 – 50:08

   Why the podcast isn’t live anymore: clip pirates and copyright landmines

   1. JDJimmy Dore44:31

      Yeah. And so, so you don't go live now because...

   2. JRJoe Rogan44:34

      Well, a bunch of channels started creating their own channels with my clips, and so this is what can happen. So if you have a channel, like, and then someone says, "Hey, I'm gonna take all your clips. I'm gonna take the interesting parts of your podcast and I'm gonna make my own channel."

   3. JDJimmy Dore44:51

      Uh-huh.

   4. JRJoe Rogan44:51

      And then they can get, like, hundreds of thousands of subscribers with all of your content.

   5. JDJimmy Dore44:55

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan44:56

      And then they can have whatever they want and put that on this... So then they can use it as a white power fucking, uh, YouTube channel. They have 500,000 subscribers, they could use it as, uh-

   7. JDJimmy Dore45:04

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      ... a men's rights channel. They can use it as, uh... You know, they could just ch- switch it over and say it's not about Jimmy Dore anymore, now it's about Bill Burr. And they, they just use your content, which is not legal. And I was like... And they were doing it while we were doing the show. So while we were doing the show, they were making clips and then uploading-

   9. JDJimmy Dore45:21

      And then-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       ... them as we were live.

   11. JDJimmy Dore45:22

       While you're still going?

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       Yes.

   13. JDJimmy Dore45:24

       So they're doing it in real time?

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       So...

   15. JDJimmy Dore45:26

       Okay. I got it. Wow.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       So we, we realized that those can be taken down, and then we started doing it ourselves, and then we realized, like, the only way to really stop them from doing it in real time is to do it... Like, film it, have the podcast filmed, and then have the clips cut up and then release it.

   17. JDJimmy Dore45:45

       Okay. Oh, okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       That's one.

   19. JDJimmy Dore45:47

       Okay.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       That's a big one. The other one was copyright. There's a real-

   21. JDJimmy Dore45:50

       Do you ever-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       ... problem with copyright strikes. Like, if you get three strikes, they fucking pull your channel.

   23. JDJimmy Dore45:55

       So did you ever get one?

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       That's a real pro- We've gotten them. We've gotten them before. For shit that we show... We've gotten them for- before for shit that we show in the corner of the screen. Like, the corner of the screen, like a photograph, or a video, or a little tiny thing in the corner of a screen. We had one where we got one from a fucking... A guy took a film, uh, from his f- uh, like it was like a cellphone of a, a satellite being launched. Like, the... And we were watching it, like watched the video. We got a copyright strike from that. Like, just watching something that was on-

   25. JDJimmy Dore46:23

       Really?

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       ... the internet. You can't do it. You can't... People own these things. The big one is nature videos. Those fucking nature videos when you see, like, a, a pack of-

   27. JDJimmy Dore46:30

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       ... hyenas try to take out a lion. If you play that, that's a copyright strike. They will get you for that.

   29. JDJimmy Dore46:37

       So I had a g- uh, copyright strike recently. F- uh, n- the first one and only one we've ever had, right? That's a strike. Not like, "Hey, we're gonna de-monetize." Totally different.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       I get that all the time. Yeah.
8. 50:08 – 57:11

   Old media, access journalism, and the Cenk Uygur smear as a case study

   1. JDJimmy Dore50:08

      I just got in trouble. I just got in trouble, right? So, I have a show. It's on KPFK and they're all nice people. But you can't... There's... C- 'cause they're a nonprofit, there's certain things you can't do. Like, you can't over endorse. Like, I had a candidate on, and you're not supposed to endorse. And they... I can't... I, I, I... You can't go, "Hey, go to their website and donate."

   2. JRJoe Rogan50:25

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JDJimmy Dore50:25

      You can't say any of that stuff. So, yeah. It's just that. I'm like, "Oh my God."

   4. JRJoe Rogan50:29

      So, how'd you get in trouble? What'd you do?

   5. JDJimmy Dore50:31

      So, I did that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan50:32

      With who?

   7. JDJimmy Dore50:32

      The... So, that guy Cenk Uygur.

   8. JRJoe Rogan50:34

      Oh.

   9. JDJimmy Dore50:34

      He's running for that 25th, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan50:36

       Right. Dude, what the New York Times did to him was dirty. That was dir-... Who... I shouldn't say the New York Times. I should say that writer, whoever that writer is.

   11. JDJimmy Dore50:43

       It was the whole... But there was a-

   12. JRJoe Rogan50:45

       But-

   13. JDJimmy Dore50:45

       ... LA Times, see ... It was an unbelievable smear campaign.

   14. JRJoe Rogan50:48

       But the, but the New York Times one was the one where they tried to say-

   15. JDJimmy Dore50:50

       Yeah, they pretended-

   16. JRJoe Rogan50:51

       ... that he was, that his conversation with David Duke-

   17. JDJimmy Dore50:53

       ... that he said the opposite.

   18. JRJoe Rogan50:53

       ... where he was like, "Oh, of course you're not racist." It was as clear as day that he was joking. As clear as day that he was being sarcastic.

   19. JDJimmy Dore51:03

       And so-

   20. JRJoe Rogan51:03

       Talking to David fucking Duke.

   21. JDJimmy Dore51:05

       Yeah. Du-... Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan51:05

       The Grand Wizard of the KKK. And he's like, "Oh, you're not racist. Of course, you're not racist." And then they take that and they put it in quotes. He said to David Duke, "Of course you're not racist."

   23. JDJimmy Dore51:16

       "Of course you're not." That's right. So, that's, that's like Mr. Smith goes to Washington shit.

   24. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       That's dirty.

   25. JDJimmy Dore51:19

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan51:19

       But I, I couldn't believe that was the New York Times. That hurt. That one hurt because I was like, "Who the..."

   27. JDJimmy Dore51:25

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:25

       I c- ... You l- you think it's funny?

   29. JDJimmy Dore51:26

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       I'm like, "I can't even con-"
9. 57:11 – 1:02:36

   Pelosi, torture complicity, Snowden, and the Afghanistan Papers: ‘they lied for years’

   1. JDJimmy Dore57:11

      There you go. I mean, they're all corrupt. That's the whole... that's the, that's kind of like the mission of my show is to remind people how we got Trump. People want to pretend that, uh, uh, uh, corruption and lying started in January 2017. The Afghanistan papers just came out, Joe, that revealed that three administrations in a row lied completely 100%-

   2. JRJoe Rogan57:30

      Yeah.

   3. JDJimmy Dore57:30

      ... about Afghanistan from the day they took over to the day they left. Stuff like Donald Rumsfeld saying, "We don't even know who the bad guys are. We have no idea who they are." Well, why are we there?

   4. JRJoe Rogan57:39

      Yeah.

   5. JDJimmy Dore57:39

      Well, may- maybe because of the couple trillion dollars in r- rare earth minerals? I don't know. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan57:44

      You really think that?

   7. JDJimmy Dore57:45

      Maybe it's... (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan57:46

      (laughs) We would go to war for minerals?

   9. JDJimmy Dore57:50

      Come on. We would-

   10. JRJoe Rogan57:51

       That's crazy.

   11. JDJimmy Dore57:51

       ... we would try to steal somebody's natural resources?

   12. JRJoe Rogan57:55

       Uh, do we lose upset at what a small story it was that-

   13. JDJimmy Dore57:58

       I'm upset what, wh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan57:59

       ... that those papers came out and then no one really even talked about it?

   15. JDJimmy Dore58:02

       And barely got it, nothing. So it-

   16. JRJoe Rogan58:04

       Nothing.

   17. JDJimmy Dore58:05

       ... it, it justifies everything Tulsi Gabbard has been saying, these wars are a lie and bullshit and we gotta get out of them. And that, that, that, that she's not the one lying about them. The one that's been lying about them has been our government, including Barack Obama.

   18. JRJoe Rogan58:16

       Yeah.

   19. JDJimmy Dore58:16

       That's what the Afghanistan papers prove, that they've been li-, we've been lied to forever.

   20. JRJoe Rogan58:20

       Tell people what the papers say so people will have-

   21. JDJimmy Dore58:22

       So the, so what happened was they did a study, just like the Pentagon papers, right? They do their own study that reveals that they're lying. So they interviewed 400 people that were, like, in the mili- generals and the military and contractors and all these kind of people to find out, so they could know wha- what would happen in Afghanistan. So they revealed all this, the people who they were interviewing revealed all this, that at the beginning of the war, they didn't know who the bad... in fact, they still don't know who's the bad guys, who we're killing. They were lying about... they would lie that it's going well and then their personal writings would be revealing that they didn't know what the hell they were doing. And so, it was, it's worse than you think. But we can still just keep sending $4 billion a month there. Just keep sending it. Just keep sending it. For what? No one knows. We're not leaving. Trump didn't take us out. He, it's gonna, it's, he's a, up for reelection in a couple more months, we're still in Afghanistan. He didn't do what he said he was gonna do.

   22. JRJoe Rogan59:13

       Nobody does.

   23. JDJimmy Dore59:14

       That's the problem, and that's why we got Trump in the first place.

   24. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       Why, what do you think it is though?

   25. JDJimmy Dore59:17

       Because Barack Obama comes in as an anti-war guy, immediately gets rolled by the military-industrial complex, just like Trump did. I believed that, I, I did believe that Trump, his druthers would get the hell out of the Middle East, right? But he doesn't really have any druthers. He was like, "Okay, I'm done doing that because they've rolled me hard enough. Three years of Russiagate, I'm gonna do what they want."

   26. JRJoe Rogan59:36

       Well, you saw the conversation that he had with one reporter where he talked about the military-industrial complex and about how they want to go to war.

   27. JDJimmy Dore59:42

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan59:43

       I mean, Trump, like, actively while in office, this isn't like, like an Eisenhower thing, like as he's leaving. While in office, is talking about the military... and it barely got mentioned.

   29. JDJimmy Dore59:52

       I know. And so I, so I think that's why the establishment wants to get rid of Trump. Even though he does their bidding, gives them their trillion dollar tax cuts, nobody asks how we're going to pay for it. He gives him, uh, he tries to go into Venezuela. He tried, he tried to do what, you know, he's doing Iran. He didn't come out, we didn't get out of Syria. We're not out of Afghanistan. He's sending more people back to Iraq. It's amazing what, what's hap- the exact opposite of what he ran on is happening.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Yeah.
10. 1:02:36 – 1:03:51

    Democrats, distraction politics, and Tulsi Gabbard as an anti-war litmus test

    1. JDJimmy Dore1:02:36

       So, uh, i- it- so that's why- and, you know, people- people give me a hard time about supporting Tulsi, right? It's like, "Why are you suppo-" I think it's really important to have an anti-war voice that has- uh, you know, speaks from experience. She's actually, uh, in the military right now. Uh, she actually d- uh, volunteered to go serve in their illegal wars, and then they smear her for it. It's kind of amazing.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

       It- Well, she's a weird one, right? Because she has so many characteristics that you would think that everyone who's a progressive would want as a president. She is a- a- a veteran who twice served overseas, t- twice deployed. She's been a veteran for a long time. Longtime congresswoman. Um, she's from Hawaii. She's a- I mean, I guess she's Hawaiian. You would say she's a woman of color.

    3. JDJimmy Dore1:03:20

       They say she's a woman of color.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:22

       What color? She's like a- like a light beige?

    5. JDJimmy Dore1:03:25

       She's dark. She's tanner than me.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       Is she? Well, she lives in Hawaii.

    7. JDJimmy Dore1:03:28

       That's why.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:29

       Yeah.

    9. JDJimmy Dore1:03:29

       I don't know.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:29

        (laughs)

    11. JDJimmy Dore1:03:29

        I don't know about these things. I'm white, I don't know.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

        Well, but it is really. I mean, the Hawaiian roots are essentially, uh, Polynesian and South Pacific travelers who landed thousands of years ago on those islands. So yeah, I mean, it is essentially a- a person of color. Either way, she's an- a very articulate, rock solid woman, and they've tried to find a bunch of dirt on her and they can't.

    13. JDJimmy Dore1:03:50

        And they- and this-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:50

        And they don't know what to do.

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