Joe Rogan Experience #1413 - Bill Maher

1. 0:06 – 0:59

   Welcome to the “man cave” + Maher invites himself on the podcast

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Hello, Bill.

   2. BMBill Maher0:07

      Great to be here in the man cave.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      (laughs) This is the, uh, professional extension of the man cave. This part is, uh, this is where real work gets done. This is the only part in the building.

   4. BMBill Maher0:17

      It's worth it just to see it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      (laughs)

   6. BMBill Maher0:19

      No, really. I, I thought I was ... And I did not expect this. But, you know, as I was just telling you off the air, I invited myself on this show.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Yes.

   8. BMBill Maher0:30

      I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Well, you requested it, and I-

   10. BMBill Maher0:31

       I, I did. I said-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... I would have invited you.

   12. BMBill Maher0:33

       ... I said, "What are you doing? We're coming back on the air. Real Time's coming back in a few days, and we always do something to promote it." I went, "Let's, let's do that show." You know? "I like that show. Why can't I do the shows I listen to?" Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Got that in Mexico.

   14. BMBill Maher0:49

       You should put that in a r- uh, uh, it looks like it should be a ring for a-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (laughs) Maybe if you slash-

   16. BMBill Maher0:55

       ... for, for a, for a roadie.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       (laughs) For a roadie.

   18. BMBill Maher0:59

       Yeah.

2. 0:59 – 3:48

   Real Time’s format, seasons, and why live/current-events shows can’t take long breaks

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:59

      What y- ... What season are you guys coming into?

   2. BMBill Maher1:01

      Oh, fuck. I'm, uh ...

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:03

      (laughs)

   4. BMBill Maher1:03

      I don't know. Seasons, it's hard to ... Yeah, I could just go by years. I mean, we started on HBO in 2003, but then we used to do ... For the first few years, they had us do two seasons. They took u- ... took them a while to get the idea that this is not like The Sopranos or any other show. Thi- this kind of show is a habit show. It has to be on most of the year. We used to do a season from February to, like, uh, May, and then we'd be off for four months and come back for a few months in the fall. That's not the way you can do it when you're following events, a live show.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      Right.

   6. BMBill Maher1:39

      So finally, somewhere in there, they just ... Okay, so then it was one long season as opposed to two, so I guess they counted the early years as two. We've been on HBO since 2003, but of course, w- ... I started ... You were on the old show, Politically Incorrect. Somebody sent me a clip of that. Wow. I couldn't even bear to watch it, just from the way we looked.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      (laughs)

   8. BMBill Maher2:00

      It was too sad.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      Time is cruel.

   10. BMBill Maher2:02

       I- it, it's ... (laughs) Actually, we look better now just 'cause we look douchier.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       (laughs)

   12. BMBill Maher2:07

       Uh, younger, of course. I mean, that's the trade-off in life-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Yes.

   14. BMBill Maher2:10

       ... is that you're douchier when you're younger-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:12

       Yeah.

   16. BMBill Maher2:13

       ... but you do look m- more pristine, shall we say. Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       You're less beaten down by time?

   18. BMBill Maher2:18

       Yeah. But that started in '93, so I've already passed my-

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       Wow.

   20. BMBill Maher2:23

       We did a 25th anniversary show, uh, about a year and a half ago. Yeah, in the fall of '18 it aired. Um, I couldn't believe that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Do you know they're trying to bring back Politically Incorrect?

   22. BMBill Maher2:37

       Who is they?

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Whoever the fuck they are-

   24. BMBill Maher2:39

       'Cause I-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       ... they came to me.

   26. BMBill Maher2:41

       R- they c- ... That's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Yeah.

   28. BMBill Maher2:42

       That's so funny, 'cause I suggested that a while ago with it ... Not with me hosting it, of course, but with somebody else hosting it. But, uh, I, I'll have to ask my manager about that. I thought we ... Man, I guess we sold it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       (laughs)

   30. BMBill Maher2:55

       I, I, I th- I think that's true. When we moved to ABC ... It must be ABC. When we moved to ABC, I think we probably sold them the rights to the show, which is, was probably stupid, but at the time, it made sense. And, well, good luck with it.
3. 3:48 – 7:44

   Attention spans: 7 seconds vs 3 hours + the pros/cons of condensed TV vs long podcasts

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      Do you feel constrained by the time, by the, the hour format?

   2. BMBill Maher3:52

      Uh, sometimes. I was on with Howard Stern recently and I was saying that to him, and I feel the same sometimes when I watch or listen to you. Um, it's, it's funny. Amer- ... I don't get America. Like, people's attention span is either seven seconds or three hours.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      Yeah. (laughs)

   4. BMBill Maher4:09

      (laughs) There's no in- ... There's no in between. uh ...

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      Well, there's a lot of us. That's what it is. This, this idea that-

   6. BMBill Maher4:16

      A lot of people.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      Yeah, they're playing-

   8. BMBill Maher4:17

      Yes, exactly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      ... to the people with the shortest attention span.

   10. BMBill Maher4:19

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       They say this is all they have.

   12. BMBill Maher4:20

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       This is all that's there.

   14. BMBill Maher4:21

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       That's not true.

   16. BMBill Maher4:22

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       But it takes a big risk to play-

   18. BMBill Maher4:24

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       ... to three hours.

   20. BMBill Maher4:25

       I mean, uh, there are g- ... virtues and vices to both of them. I mean, I do like, um, being forced to condense. Uh, and for people ... I always think of the person watching my show as the person who is interested in current events, but doesn't have the time to follow it during the week. They've got kids and jobs and lives. They are gonna watch me to catch them up, uh, and it's my job to, obviously entertain them, but also to point out what's important. What, what happened this week that you should know about? Somewhere in that live hour, whether it's in the monologue or in New Rules or the editorial I do at the end or in the panel, somewhere I wanna cover everything I think you should know. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the things that the newspaper or other outlets thought was important. What I think is really important, that's what I'm going to cover. So, there is something to be said for condensing. There's also a lot to be said for letting it breathe, you know? I mean, letting it breathe, I do miss that sometimes. I wish I could. And very often, we're in the middle of a discussion and I have to move on.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       But I feel like, uh, with the way things are going now with streaming ... Like, I know HBO has their new streaming service.

   22. BMBill Maher5:47

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       Maybe they could just give you, uh, an option to let some, some of those conversations l- lengthen out. It just seems like-

   24. BMBill Maher5:54

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       ... some of them, you're just getting started and you have to cut 'em off.

   26. BMBill Maher5:57

       You're right. And again, sometimes people just want the headlines. Very often, I'm reading something and it's too long. I just think ...... you just, you should have given me... The New York Times starts every article, uh, not... Just tell me what happened.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Yeah.

   28. BMBill Maher6:14

       Don't give me the background and "On a rocky road in Afghanistan-"

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Hmm.

   30. BMBill Maher6:19

       ... as Fran Lebowitz once said," and blah, blah, blah. Just get to the part I care about.
4. 7:44 – 13:07

   Maher’s novel 'True Story': writing discipline, Mexico, career slumps, and a one-year cocaine phase

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:44

      Listen, man. I've been a fan of yours for a long time. I bought True Story.

   2. BMBill Maher7:47

      And I of you. Wow. Wow. That's, that's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:49

      Yeah, I bought that book way back in the day, man. B- I was living in New York. It was a great book.

   4. BMBill Maher7:53

      Thank you. I appreciate it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      That's a very underrated book on standup comedy.

   6. BMBill Maher7:55

      I appreciate that. Yeah, it's a novel.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:58

      Yeah.

   8. BMBill Maher7:58

      You know, it's a novelization of my early life.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:01

      Very accurate though. Like, it s- you could feel like you lived the life. And you know, the-

   10. BMBill Maher8:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       ... the names were hilarious, of the-

   12. BMBill Maher8:08

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       ... the characters you chose.

   14. BMBill Maher8:09

       No, I, I worked probably harder on that than almost anything I've ever done. I would never have written-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Really?

   16. BMBill Maher8:14

       Yeah. I would never write another novel. Well, just to, to make every (clears throat) sentence, every paragraph f- funny or telling, no extra words. To me, that's the kind of...

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       What year did you write that?

   18. BMBill Maher8:29

       I, it's funny. I started it in the early '80s, when I was still almost living it. And I would get busy and put it aside and not have a look at it for years. And then, uh, I did a... (laughs) This is my old life. In 1985, in December, I went down to, uh, Zihuatanejo, Mexico to do the memorable TV movie, TV movie. There, there's a phrase that dates you. The ph- memorable TV movie, Club Med. I think we all remember it. No, we don't. Linda Hamilton was the star.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       I think I do remember it.

   20. BMBill Maher9:04

       I hope you don't.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       I remember Linda Hamilton-

   22. BMBill Maher9:07

       Okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       ... in, in a movie.

   24. BMBill Maher9:08

       Yes. Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       With you. Now I'm, I'm picturing it.

   26. BMBill Maher9:11

       Okay. It was a TV movie. Um, and, uh, we stayed at the Club Med. Um, I was in... You know, it was kind of a low budget thing as far as the people in the cast and crew went, because we stayed at the Club Med, which was not a... Club Med is not a luxury hotel. You know what Club Meds are. You, you, you give up your money, you pay everything in beads, but you don't really need money. And the room... It's for people who just... You're gonna enjoy the outside. That's why you're in Mexico. So the room is monastic, right? There's no TV, 'cause you're out all day. You know, you're just gonna be in the waves and then you're gonna fuck and go to sleep and whatever. So, I had a lot of free time because I wasn't in the shot every day, but I was in Mexico. Eventually, I got fucking cabin fever down there, you know. I couldn't wait to get home. But I was there a long time and I had nothing to do, and I wrote a lot of the novel there and then put it away again. And then (clears throat) I was in a real career slump in the early '90s. I had finished with acting mostly. I didn't wanna do that anymore. I'd done a few sitcoms and (clears throat) I didn't wanna be the office creep forever. And so I was just like, nowhere, and that's when I finished it. And also, that's like the year I did cocaine.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       (laughs)

   28. BMBill Maher10:36

       Which (laughs) I probably would not have finished it without that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       It was only one year?

   30. BMBill Maher10:40

       It was one year. I was never meant to do cocaine. When everyone was doing it, I never wanted it. You know me, I'm a pothead like you. I, I... It's not my drug, but you know, if you really insist. (laughs)
5. 13:07 – 22:55

   Why stand-up is hard to portray on screen + how comedy timing changed over decades

   1. BMBill Maher13:07

      Yeah. No, I mean, and I tried to make it into a movie. Uh, there was many scripts w- written. Uh, I mean, it's my own fault for not pushing that through, I guess. But I thought a- at the time, it would, really would have made a, a good movie, but it's probably too late now. And, uh, it's, it's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      Well, you definitely have to change the names now.

   3. BMBill Maher13:29

      It's very hard... Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:31

      (laughs)

   5. BMBill Maher13:31

      I did in the script. It's very... (laughs) Yeah. It's very hard to depict standup comedy in a movie. In fact, one of the original impetus to write the book was that no one was doing that well. I remember that movie came out with Tom Hanks. Remember that?

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:46

      Punchline, yeah.

   7. BMBill Maher13:46

      Punchline, okay. And Tom Hanks was good. I mean, Tom Hanks could, could've been a standup comic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:50

      Yeah.

   9. BMBill Maher13:50

      He did it as good as you can.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Passable.

   11. BMBill Maher13:53

       Passable, but they just never capture the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       No.

   13. BMBill Maher13:56

       ... whole essence of it. And also, when you're trying to have someone... I see this on, um...

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       Maisel?

   15. BMBill Maher14:03

       No, I haven't seen that yet. Some show... Oh, the one... I think it's Jim Carrey's show, on Showtime about-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       Oh, I'm Dying Up Here?

   17. BMBill Maher14:12

       Thank you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       Yeah.

   19. BMBill Maher14:13

       Yes. And, uh, I, I like the show but whenever you're showing a standup comic and you're f- and it's acting, you're acting as a standup, and then the audience-

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       Right.

   21. BMBill Maher14:24

       ... has to laugh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Yeah.

   23. BMBill Maher14:25

       There's something about it that isn't... It just, you can tell it's not real.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       It's like a boxing scene-

   25. BMBill Maher14:30

       The-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       ... in a movie, same thing.

   27. BMBill Maher14:31

       A little bit.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       Yeah.

   29. BMBill Maher14:33

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Rocky.
6. 22:55 – 35:15

   Bill Cosby: early rumors, control pathology, and the darker side of celebrity power

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:55

      Well, it was one of those things where if you had said any of this that you're saying ten years ago, people would've been furious at you.

   2. BMBill Maher23:03

      Well-

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:04

      But now that he's been exposed, it's-

   4. BMBill Maher23:05

      Like, somebody told me he was a creep back in 1983.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:09

      Ah, okay.

   6. BMBill Maher23:10

      Um-

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:10

      Someone told me in '94.

   8. BMBill Maher23:12

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:12

      Yeah.

   10. BMBill Maher23:13

       So I, and it was somebody I liked, not somebody I was romantically involved with, but a girl who he was horrible to.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       Mmm.

   12. BMBill Maher23:20

       And, uh, I never liked him after that as a person.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:23

       That makes sense.

   14. BMBill Maher23:24

       Not just, not just 'cause-

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       I had heard from people on the set of NewsRadio that he drugged girls. It was like one of-

   16. BMBill Maher23:30

       It's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:30

       ... those weird things that you heard as a room. Like, "What does he do?"

   18. BMBill Maher23:33

       Yeah (laughs) .

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:33

       "He drugged girls? Like Bill Cosby?"

   20. BMBill Maher23:35

       Right (laughs) .

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:35

       Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby. We're talking about the same guy?

   22. BMBill Maher23:38

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:38

       It's not like Steve McQueen, Steve McQueen. We're getting confused.

   24. BMBill Maher23:41

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:42

       No.

   26. BMBill Maher23:42

       No, I mean, uh, y- y-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       America's dad.

   28. BMBill Maher23:45

       America... And you have to wonder why a guy who could, um, get laid-

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       Yeah.

   30. BMBill Maher23:51

       ... uh, even as a married man, um, w- that's obviously a sick kink he had. But I also know, uh, a guy who was a promoter and, and told incredibly ridiculous stories about things that Bill Cosby did that were not sexual, but just informed me that what his kink is is part of a much larger sickness about control-
7. 35:15 – 41:19

   From Chaplin/Elvis age gaps to modern fragility: “woke” culture, coddling, and childhood freedom

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:15

      Charlie Chaplin was a child molester?

   2. BMBill Maher35:16

      Well, Charlie Chaplin, uh, I think back then, they didn't call it that. But yes, he married-

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:22

      I didn't know anything.

   4. BMBill Maher35:23

      Oh, yes, he married, like, tw- it was like Jerry Lee Lewis. He was, like, with 14-year-olds.

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:29

      Really?

   6. BMBill Maher35:30

      Charlie Chaplin. Yes. I'm, don't think I'm talking at a school about Charlie Chaplin. Can you conjure-

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:35

      I believe you.

   8. BMBill Maher35:35

      ... something up there on your magic light box, Jamie, and see if, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:39

      Uh-

   10. BMBill Maher35:39

       ... see if there's information there? What are we... The audience... (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:42

       I believe you, I just didn't know. (laughs)

   12. BMBill Maher35:43

       The audience says, "Child molester." Yes, Charlie Chaplin, famous for, for that and-

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:49

       Wow.

   14. BMBill Maher35:50

       ... uh, you know, back then, I don't think they got you for it, but he-

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       What did they, did, what was-

   16. BMBill Maher35:54

       He-

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       ... the legal age back then?

   18. BMBill Maher35:57

       Possibly none. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:59

       Right, they probably didn't have a law.

   20. BMBill Maher36:00

       (laughs) I don't-

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       Oh my god.

   22. BMBill Maher36:01

       I don't know if they even had such a concept. I mean, we're talking about an era before women-

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:07

       Well, Elvis too, right?

   24. BMBill Maher36:07

       ... th- they weren't letting women vote in their teens.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:10

       Right.

   26. BMBill Maher36:10

       They didn't, women didn't vote till 1920. I don't know if there were child labor laws. Um, I just don't know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:17

       Well, Priscilla Presley, wasn't she like 14 when Elvis-

   28. BMBill Maher36:19

       Correct.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:20

       Yeah.

   30. BMBill Maher36:21

       And that was the f-
8. 41:19 – 46:39

   Phones, porn, and sexual expectations: why modern porn isn’t “benign” for kids

   1. JRJoe Rogan41:19

      ... and this is, this is not something that's been studied, right? Like, what happens to a young mind when it has access to almost anything as soon as you get a phone. You're giving 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds phones, and then they have access to everything in the world. Everything. Any-

   2. BMBill Maher41:34

      Porn.

   3. JRJoe Rogan41:35

      Porn instantly.

   4. BMBill Maher41:36

      Which I, you know, you're talking to a libertine, but I do not think porn is benign.

   5. JRJoe Rogan41:43

      Well-

   6. BMBill Maher41:44

      I do not. It is not benign.

   7. JRJoe Rogan41:45

      The, the-

   8. BMBill Maher41:46

      Not, not the way it is now on the computer. I mean, it's, it's rapey, it's um, it's, it's a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan41:53

      What sites are you going to?

   10. BMBill Maher41:54

       Any s- any site.

   11. JRJoe Rogan41:55

       I'm not getting the rapey porn, but I think it's-

   12. BMBill Maher41:57

       Well, it's-

   13. JRJoe Rogan41:58

       ... not benign because-

   14. BMBill Maher41:59

       Oh please, it's not, it's not, it's domineering. Yes, it's a lot of things that I am not interested in, even in my fantasies. I was doing a, uh, a bit about that in my last special. Like, even in my fantasies, I don't wanna choke anybody.

   15. JRJoe Rogan42:13

       Yeah.

   16. BMBill Maher42:14

       I, I don't wanna cum on your face. I mean, cum on, cumming on your face?

   17. JRJoe Rogan42:18

       (laughs)

   18. BMBill Maher42:18

       That, that's not rapey or domineering or, uh, I mean, I, I find that off-putting and gross. It doesn't, that doesn't move me and the, the thing, I don't get it. But that's half of what Pornhub is.

   19. JRJoe Rogan42:31

       Well, I think what half of it is now is a lot of stepsister stuff. There's like stepfather, stepsisters-

   20. BMBill Maher42:38

       What's that all about?

   21. JRJoe Rogan42:39

       ... stepbrother. 'Cause people are trying to be naughty and there's nothing naughty left 'cause like, the idea of porn-

   22. BMBill Maher42:44

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan42:44

       ... originally was like, "I can't believe these people are having sex." Like, go back and watch porn from the '80s.

   24. BMBill Maher42:47

       So it's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan42:47

       They're just having sex.

   26. BMBill Maher42:49

       Ass fucking, choking-

   27. JRJoe Rogan42:50

       Mm-hmm.

   28. BMBill Maher42:51

       ... cum on your face.

   29. JRJoe Rogan42:52

       Spitting.

   30. BMBill Maher42:52

       Spitting.
9. 46:39 – 53:03

   Dating apps and monogamy: what humans are wired for (Sapiens, Sex at Dawn)

   1. BMBill Maher46:39

      But, but I just don't think that... I mean, that would be my main lesson to a, to a adolescent boy. Okay, we can't keep the porn away from you. Just don't think that's real... The way w- real women are or what real women like. I don't think they like Tinder either. In fact, I watched some documentary, I can't remember what it was called, I think it was on HBO, about dating on social media. And that was the main theme of it, was women are doing it, young women, but they don't like it. And it's not surprising they don't like it. Guys are, of course, wired very differently and they just wanna hook up and move on. I read also an article about it in the w- I think it was in Vanity Fair. And the, the woman says okay, she did it once. She tried Tinder. She goes to a hotel or meets a guy she had just met over the phone and they fuck. And then she said, "As I was getting dressed, I turned around and he was sitting on the bed looking at Tinder."

   2. JRJoe Rogan47:43

      Whoa.

   3. BMBill Maher47:43

      You know? So he had just come and here he is looking for the next...

   4. JRJoe Rogan47:48

      Fix.

   5. BMBill Maher47:48

      ... victim. And-

   6. JRJoe Rogan47:49

      Victim?

   7. BMBill Maher47:50

      This is, this is-

   8. JRJoe Rogan47:51

      Willing participant, I would say.

   9. BMBill Maher47:52

      Yes. I'm not... I'm, I'm, I'm saying victim-

   10. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       How dare you with the victim talk?

   11. BMBill Maher47:55

       No, I'm not... I don't mean...

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:56

       (laughs)

   13. BMBill Maher47:56

       I, I didn't mean-

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       I know what you're saying.

   15. BMBill Maher47:57

       No, no. You're right. She's not-

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:58

       The next... He's a predator.

   17. BMBill Maher47:59

       Right. She was a willing to... uh, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:01

       Right.

   19. BMBill Maher48:01

       Predator. How dare you? (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:02

       That's what I'm saying. He's out there hunting.

   21. BMBill Maher48:04

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:04

       He's trying to get gals.

   23. BMBill Maher48:05

       But, but it's just... What is... Gals. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:08

       (laughs) Trying to get the ladies.

   25. BMBill Maher48:09

       Yeah. Um, but women-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:13

       It's not designed for women's-

   27. BMBill Maher48:14

       It's not what women want.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:14

       ... sensibilities. No. Mi- most women, no.

   29. BMBill Maher48:17

       It's just not.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       It's-
10. 53:03 – 1:05:02

    Politics without nuance: tribalism, PC backlash, and why “sensible progressives” feel homeless

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:03

       That's enough. Their, their, uh, their agenda has moved over to the penguins. (exhales) Such a strange time. It's a strange time where, like, we're ... I, I feel like if you read St- Steven Pinker's stuff when he talks about how-

    2. BMBill Maher53:17

       Yes.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:18

       ... this ... Life has never really been easier-

    4. BMBill Maher53:21

       Per- per-

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:21

       ... than we have it today.

    6. BMBill Maher53:22

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:23

       But it's also probably one of the reasons why people are so outraged about things today. It's just there's, uh, uh, the, the ... It's so l- ... There's less real shit that's dangerous in this world. There's less. There still is real danger, still is real murder and real rape and real robberies, but there's less of it than ever before, but yet there's more outrage than ever before about nonsense things.

    8. BMBill Maher53:46

       Well, when societies get too successful, and you could make that claim about America, that's when they become effete and that's when they become soft-

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:54

       Yes.

    10. BMBill Maher53:55

        ... and that's when they fall. This is a story that goes back to Ancient Rome and-

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:59

        Yeah.

    12. BMBill Maher53:59

        ... lots of other societies.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        Yeah.

    14. BMBill Maher54:00

        You, you're, you're a victim of your success.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        Mm-hmm.

    16. BMBill Maher54:04

        In a, in a large way, we're, we're that because, yes, people don't ... We were just talking about how people were rougher.

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        Yeah.

    18. BMBill Maher54:11

        No Novocain, you know? That wasn't even the roughest thing. We don't know hardship except for that sliver of the country that fights the wars.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        Mm-hmm.

    20. BMBill Maher54:20

        Those people know hardship.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:22

        Yeah.

    22. BMBill Maher54:22

        Of course, we do have poverty in America, but there's also a fairly substantial safety net that this country has. I mean, nobody-

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:32

        In comparison to other parts of the world, but, you know, there's parts of the world that are riddled-

    24. BMBill Maher54:35

        Yes.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:35

        ... with crime and, and gangs and-

    26. BMBill Maher54:37

        Yes. Oh, of course. Abs-

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        Those, those, those people deal with real hardship.

    28. BMBill Maher54:39

        Oh, real hardship.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:40

        Yeah. Yeah.

    30. BMBill Maher54:40

        Those are the people f- coming from Central, those Central American countries-
11. 1:05:02 – 1:10:24

    Gender debates: wage-gap talking points, negotiation, and how slogans shut down conversation

    1. BMBill Maher1:05:02

       (laughs)

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

       But he said something really ridiculous. He was saying that maybe it's good that, uh, women get so much money in divorce because of all the shit they've been through from men over the years. And I was going, "What do you..." I'm like, what, that, "What does that have to do with money and divorce?" Like if that's an individual person that's getting money from another individual person, is she getting... Is she collecting? Is this like reparations for all the horrible things that have happened for women?

    3. BMBill Maher1:05:27

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:27

       And he goes, "Well," and so he starts getting defensive. He goes, "Well, what about, uh, income inequality that women have to deal with?" I go, "Oh, Jesus."

    5. BMBill Maher1:05:33

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

       I go, "Well, you know, that's not real, right?" And he goes, "What do you mean?" I go, "It's not like they have the same jobs." It's not like both women, the man and a woman are both mailmen. They both do the same amount of houses, but the man makes a dollar when the woman makes 70 cents." He goes, "That's exactly what it is." I go, "The fuck it is."

    7. BMBill Maher1:05:48

       So-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:48

       "That's not what it is."

    9. BMBill Maher1:05:49

       It's illegal.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        It- it is illegal. And I-

    11. BMBill Maher1:05:50

        We've already passed that law.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:51

        I had to explain.

    13. BMBill Maher1:05:52

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:53

        But everybody walked on eggshells. Everybody was like-

    15. BMBill Maher1:05:56

        Right. Of course.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:56

        ... "Oh Jesus, what are you saying?"

    17. BMBill Maher1:05:57

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

        "You're saying income inequality is not real?"

    19. BMBill Maher1:06:00

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:00

        I'm like, "No, it's not."

    21. BMBill Maher1:06:01

        It's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:01

        "Not- not that it's not real."

    23. BMBill Maher1:06:02

        There's so many of those mic drop-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:04

        Yes.

    25. BMBill Maher1:06:05

        ... phrases that they use.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

        Yes.

    27. BMBill Maher1:06:06

        You know, kids in cages.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:08

        Yes.

    29. BMBill Maher1:06:08

        Which of course, we don't want kids in cages, but-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:10

        Right.
12. 1:10:24 – 1:21:18

    Divorce, alimony, and the “marriage contract”: lawyers, incentives, and why Maher avoids marriage

    1. BMBill Maher1:10:24

       I wanna, I- I wanna n-, I, I, I wanna know how the divorce laws came to be. I do. I wanna know. I, I, somebody must have written a book on it. I just wanna know how we got to this place where, um, you know, first of all, this idea that you have to live in the style of which you've become accustomed.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:10:44

       I can help you here. I can help you-

    3. BMBill Maher1:10:45

       Okay, great.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:10:45

       ... c- couple, couple ways. Here's the big one. Lawyers make a lot of money if there's a large settlement.

    5. BMBill Maher1:10:53

       So it's lawyers?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:10:54

       Yes. Lawyers don't make a lot of money if there's no settlement. You know, Phil Hartman, when he was getting divorced, one of the things that he said to me, I go, "Dude, just fucking give her half. Come on, man. You make a lot of money." He goes, "It's not half." He was crazed. He's like, "It's two-thirds." He goes, "The fucking lawyers get a third. It's a goddamn scam."

    7. BMBill Maher1:11:09

       Exactly.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:11:10

       And I've had friends that have gotten divorced, and even though they were, they had come to an agreement with the, the ex, like, "Let's, let's, you know, this, this, and you'll get this, and I'll get this," fine, then the lawyers jump in, "He's trying to fuck you," and, "This and that, they're trying to fuck you over. You deserve more." And-

    9. BMBill Maher1:11:24

       Tha- that's exactly the plot of the movie Marriage, have you seen Marriage Story?

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:11:28

        No, I haven't. No.

    11. BMBill Maher1:11:28

        Oh, it's terrific. I was again it at the beginning, because it was about (sighs) an actress and a theater director, and I was like, "Jesus fucking Christ, can't you th- at least pretend that there are people in America not outside of your exact circle?"

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:11:44

        (laughs)

    13. BMBill Maher1:11:44

        There've been so many big movies, you know, that are just about your m-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:11:48

        Right.

    15. BMBill Maher1:11:48

        ... world of show business. Have a little creativity, make them something else. But okay, I got over that. And then it's just a terrific movie about, there's no bells and whistles, it's just, "We're married, we seem very happy, and then, well, we're not happy, and we're gonna get divorced, and then, um, we're gonna... Let's just do it amicably and not get lawyers involved," and then it all falls apart. And once it goes down that path that you're talking about, it just becomes as vicious as anything-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:12:19

        Yeah.

    17. BMBill Maher1:12:19

        ... without guns.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:12:20

        Well, I had a friend who got divorced and no f- no family, okay, no children, didn't have children. And, uh, it dragged on for more than d- I think almost three years. And even though they'd, it'd gotten-

    19. BMBill Maher1:12:33

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:12:33

        ... to some kind of, sort of conclusion, he was paying for his wife's lawyer. I go-

    21. BMBill Maher1:12:38

        That's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:12:38

        ... "It's like you're paying for the general of the army that's trying to kill you."

    23. BMBill Maher1:12:41

        You're paying for someone to fuck you in the ass.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:12:44

        Yeah.

    25. BMBill Maher1:12:45

        You're getting fucked in the ass-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:12:46

        It broke him.

    27. BMBill Maher1:12:47

        ... and it, it's-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:12:47

        You could feel it, see- feel it in his body.

    29. BMBill Maher1:12:48

        I have seen so many men broken by it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:12:51

        Devastated.

Episode duration: 1:57:57