Joe Rogan Experience #1438 - Andrew Santino

Joe Rogan 0:00 (humming)

Andrew Santino 0:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:07 You know who else carves guns like that?

Andrew Santino 0:08 Who does?

Joe Rogan 0:09 Jesse James. Remember Jesse James, that, that chopper maker dude?

Andrew Santino 0:11 The chopper dude, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Yeah. That dude, uh, makes guns now in Texas.

Andrew Santino 0:16 That's all he does? He's still making bikes.

Joe Rogan 0:17 I think he makes bikes too.

Andrew Santino 0:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:19 But he makes a lot of guns, like dope guns, like engraved and embossed.

Andrew Santino 0:22 And hand carves them? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:23 And fancy, fancy guns.

Andrew Santino 0:25 That should... Uh, yeah, the dude that we were talking about, he's a, I think he's an LA guy, but he hand does them.

Joe Rogan 0:30 He's a Mexican gentleman, you were saying?

Andrew Santino 0:31 Mexican dude, a Mexican man.

Joe Rogan 0:32 S- carves into the guns?

Andrew Santino 0:34 Yeah, he carves, and he does beautiful artwork, all hand-designed. And then people pay him to do his design. They don't sug- they don't say like, "Here's what I want."

Joe Rogan 0:41 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 0:41 The whole deal is you give him the gun, and he just does it. It's not like, "I want this on here." He's like, "No, no, no. You give me the piece. I do the art. I give it back."

Joe Rogan 0:50 You know what's interesting about Bernie Sanders? Uh, what is this? Is this the guy with the guns?

Andrew Santino 0:54 That's him, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Let me see what this looks like. I was gonna say what's interesting about Bernie Sanders is, uh, his real close relationship with Killer Mike. Killer Mike is a big pro-Second Amendment man. I mean, he believes in guns. He believes you should be able to protect yourself and protect your family. And-

Andrew Santino 1:09 And what? And Bernie's so against it?

Joe Rogan 1:11 Well, I don't know if Bernie's so against it 'cause he talks to Killer Mike, and they don't scream and yell at each other, you know?

Andrew Santino 1:18 "Kil- Killer Mike." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 "In Vermont, we don't need guns."

Andrew Santino 1:21 "I don't think we need guns in the Per- in the Northeast."

Joe Rogan 1:23 How did he do yesterday? He won Vermont, California, Colorado, Utah, and is that it? And then Biden.

Andrew Santino 1:29 Biden's still in the lead, right?

Joe Rogan 1:30 Is Biden number one now?

Narrator 1:32 I didn't see the official count. I think, yeah, he's ahead, uh, 435 to 381 as of right now.

Joe Rogan 1:39 That's pretty good for Biden.

Andrew Santino 1:40 "Elizabeth, Elizabeth, let me tell you something."

Joe Rogan 1:42 I, I worry about both of them because they're older gentlemen, but I worry about Biden more. He looks like he's...

Andrew Santino 1:49 He-

Joe Rogan 1:49 Like, it's almost like his skin is thin. Do you know what I'm saying?

Andrew Santino 1:51 Well, I think his, his brain seems to be skipping. Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:54 Yes.

Andrew Santino 1:54 It's almost like, like an old-

Joe Rogan 1:55 Yes.

Andrew Santino 1:55 ... scratched DVD.

Joe Rogan 1:56 Well, you gotta realize, he's fucking tired. Dude-

Andrew Santino 1:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59 ... just forget about just being old. Doing the pace that he's doing-

Andrew Santino 2:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03 ... is fucking crazy. He's gotta get on that Trump speed.

Andrew Santino 2:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:06 That Trump speed.

Andrew Santino 2:07 Whatever the fuck he's on.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Whatever the Tr- that Sudafed from Germany.

Andrew Santino 2:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:10 Whatever the fuck it is.

Andrew Santino 2:11 "Poppers, I'm on poppers again."

Joe Rogan 2:13 He's got the best shit.

Andrew Santino 2:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:14 And he's already ranking on them. It's already hilarious. You see what he did Mike, for Mike Bloomberg? He hid under the, the podium. He pretended he was Mike Bloomberg.

Andrew Santino 2:21 Tiny Mike, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21 He's like, "The guy's not gonna be able to see over the podium." He goes behind the podium.

Andrew Santino 2:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:24 And then he's calling him Sleepy Joe. He's doing standup, bro.

Andrew Santino 2:27 It's real... D- I to- I say it on stage, he rip, he fucking rips. Did you see the clip from the other day where he's like, "Is this guy, is this guy Mexican? He says he's Mexican. You really Mexican?"

Joe Rogan 2:34 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 2:34 "He's Mexican." He goes, "He's Mexican like I'm Native American. I'm, I'm Elizabeth Warren." I... Dude-

Joe Rogan 2:39 Ah!

Andrew Santino 2:39 ... he was ripping, and they were losing it.

Joe Rogan 2:41 Dude.

Andrew Santino 2:41 He rips.

Joe Rogan 2:41 Dude, he's funny.

Andrew Santino 2:42 He's funny.

Joe Rogan 2:43 He says funny shit.

Andrew Santino 2:43 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:43 And he's got a... We were talking about this yesterday. I'm like, he's got a lifetime of experience at being in front of the camera. He knows how to do it.

Andrew Santino 2:49 He's a showman.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Well, it's like everything else. Like podcasts or standup or, uh, I would imagine pu- do- any kind of public speaking. The more you do it, the better you get at it. The more you realize your mistakes, the more you tighten up your game.

Andrew Santino 3:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:00 The more practice you get, and he gets a lot of practice. I mean, he's doing public speaking all the time. And when he gets to do something where they're all on his side, it's probably fun. Like, those things he do, he does when they're all on his side-

Andrew Santino 3:12 Oh, it's so fun.

Joe Rogan 3:12 ... those are good times.

Andrew Santino 3:13 That's like you ripping an arena. That's basically what it is.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yes.

Andrew Santino 3:15 They're all there to see you.

Joe Rogan 3:16 He's going to see his fans.

Andrew Santino 3:17 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:17 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 3:18 He's not playing a club. He's playing a fucking sold-out arena-

Joe Rogan 3:20 Yes.

Andrew Santino 3:20 ... that are like, "Bring out Trump."

Joe Rogan 3:22 Woo!

Andrew Santino 3:22 If he brought other guys to do 10 in front of him, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 3:25 (laughs) To hype him up and shit. Bring Jared and, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:27 I tell you what, once he's out of the White House, he's gonna be more popular than ever.

Andrew Santino 3:32 100.

Joe Rogan 3:32 He, he's going to be a hero 'cause let me tell you something. People forget this, but they, they didn't like Ronald Reagan when he was in office.

Andrew Santino 3:39 George Bush.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Well, but Reagan is a big one though because Reagan became like this hero afterwards. But during the whole Iran-Contra thing when he was going on television, say he doesn't remember... Do you know who Jimmy Tingle is?

Andrew Santino 3:50 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Great standup comic from Boston, but he had a joke. I remember I, I was at an open mic, or this was back in the '80s. When Reagan, uh, was b- brought in front of whoever. Was it Congress that he had talked about, uh, selling guns to Iran? Uh, when, uh, he, he did it, he would say, "I, I don't remember." That's what Reagan was saying. And he might not have re- because he really did have Alzheimer's, remember?

Andrew Santino 4:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Uh, so Jimmy Tingle goes, "Mr. President, just here's a little tip. If you ever sell guns to someone who hates us, jot it down."

Andrew Santino 4:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:25 (laughs) He goes, "Make a little note."

Andrew Santino 4:27 Write, write it down.

Joe Rogan 4:28 "Make a little note."

Andrew Santino 4:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 "Put it on the refrigerator." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 4:31 And he got love. Is, is it-

Joe Rogan 4:32 And it's such a simple joke.

Narrator 4:32 I got a clip of it, yeah. Yeah, let's hear it.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah.

Narrator 4:34 Let me hear it.

4:36 I have no recollection of, uh, doing so.

4:39 Okay.

4:40 But that could be my memory. I, I don't remember.

4:43 Well, as you sit here now, do you have any recollection of approving for John Poindexter to send these specific letters to Congress?

4:50 Well, again, it's a case of memory. I, I don't recall whether he did or not.

4:55 Okay. And my question to you is, would you have approved the sending of these letters to Congress by John Poindexter if you knew that they adopted false information that had been previously supplied...

Andrew Santino 5:09 (laughs)

Narrator 5:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:09 That's crazy.

Andrew Santino 5:10 That's a problem too. There's so much rhetoric involved.

Joe Rogan 5:12 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 5:12 I don't even know what that question was. He, he-

Joe Rogan 5:14 That's a good peg for it.

Andrew Santino 5:14 ... they, they pile on all these things, and then you go, "I don't know. I have no idea what you're saying. What are you asking me?"

Joe Rogan 5:18 Right, there's so much legalese.

Andrew Santino 5:20 Right, at some point-

Joe Rogan 5:21 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 5:21 ... you're, uh, at some point, he does seem trapped in too many questions. It's kinda like, uh... I watched that clip of Betsy DeVos, uh, and that Wisconsin senator going at it about how she doesn't know the numbers for charter schools, you know? I don't know if you've seen this. But she's unaware of the numbers presented of char- how many charter schools fail. But he's throwing so many statistics at her, how could you even keep up? I mean, she does sound like a bumbling Dumbo, but that's what... You just bury someone with stats.

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 5:46 They're gonna go, "Uh, I don't..."

Joe Rogan 5:48 Right.

Andrew Santino 5:49 "How, how do I... Where am I... I don't even know which one you want me to address, and I don't have any information in front of me to fight it." So, when they do that sometimes to politicians, I'm always like, "Of course they're gonna drown." How could he fight out of that?

Joe Rogan 5:59 Yeah, b- clearly, that's like a combat strategy.

Andrew Santino 6:01 Unless you're Trump, and then you just... He diverts. He's so good at...

Joe Rogan 6:04 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 6:04 He'll take in all that stuff, and then he'll go...

Joe Rogan 6:05 Well, he's never been in this kind of a situation where he had to answer questions-

Andrew Santino 6:09 Not yet.

Joe Rogan 6:09 ... in, in a court.

Andrew Santino 6:10 Not yet.

Joe Rogan 6:10 You know, that would be interesting if he did.

Andrew Santino 6:12 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:12 He, I think he'd probably get in trouble 'cause, like, a lot of his stuff is, like-... shutting things down and he could get out of order. But my point is like, we both know, like even if someone's good at that, right? If they do that and they hit you with a bunch of stats and fucks you up so hard you can't answer their, their original question and you know, you're, you're supposed to be grilling them.

Andrew Santino 6:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:31 We know what you're doing. You're not-

Andrew Santino 6:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:33 ... communicating in a way that you, you are actually trying to communicate with the person.

Andrew Santino 6:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:37 You're playing verbal warfare here. You're trying, you're fighting, you're trying to back them up on their heels and smother, smother their, their reach and get them in a corner.

Andrew Santino 6:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:45 And, and pound on them. That's what you're doing. You're overwhelming them with a barrage of information. Just like you would overwhelm someone with a bar- barrage of punches. It's the same thing.

Andrew Santino 6:52 When you see their weakness, you're like, "I'm just gonna hit 'em."

Joe Rogan 6:53 Yeah. It's not even the same thing because you're not supposed to be doing that.

Andrew Santino 6:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:55 You're supposed to be having an exchange. You're supposed to be talking to each other. You know, you're supposed to be you, someone getting to the bottom of it. But we know that he doesn't wanna tell the truth. He doesn't wanna go, "Yes I did sell-"

Andrew Santino 7:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:06 "... guns to Iran."

Andrew Santino 7:07 "I sold guns."

Joe Rogan 7:09 "And I sold cocaine in the inner cities of Los Angeles 'cause I was trying to, uh..."

Andrew Santino 7:13 Crack, crack, crack.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah, crack.

Andrew Santino 7:15 "I induced crack into the streets."

Joe Rogan 7:17 I mean, all that stuff really did happen. Like-

Andrew Santino 7:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:19 ... that's not a, a conspiracy theory anymore.

Andrew Santino 7:22 No.

Joe Rogan 7:22 The CIA or whoever was working for the CIA sold drugs in the inner cities, was bro- brought in through Freeway Ricky who was the original Rick Ross.

Andrew Santino 7:31 The real Rick Ross, right.

Joe Rogan 7:32 The real Rick Ross. Didn't even know what he was doing while he was doing it and then after it was over, uh, like these guys didn't figure it out until like long past-

Andrew Santino 7:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:41 ... that they were working with the government. Like Rick Ross had no idea.

Andrew Santino 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Had no idea. He just thought it was awesome at selling coke.

Andrew Santino 7:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 He didn't know he was like completely protected.

Andrew Santino 7:49 Yeah. But he, but that, but that's kinda...

Joe Rogan 7:50 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 7:50 Did you watch, uh, The Pharmacist? Did you watch that?

Joe Rogan 7:52 I wouldn't say completely protected, but I should say that he was, he was in bed with the, uh, government.

Andrew Santino 7:56 Right. Do you watch them? The Pharmacist? Do you watch that?

Joe Rogan 7:58 No. What is that?

Andrew Santino 7:58 That's all about the, the distribution of OxyContin on, specifically like, uh, the, what it's done to kind of the East Coast. This kinda started in New Orleans, the documentary's all about it, but up there how it got really bad. This pharmacist basically, his son, I don't wanna give it away, but his son tragically died and he started to investigate like why all this stuff is kind of happening in New Orleans and it, the epi- epicenter was this Purdue Pharm- Pharma that made OxyContin, the biggest distributor of OxyContin in the United States.

Joe Rogan 8:27 Mmm.

Andrew Santino 8:28 And the whole documentary kind of shows you how it was just, they, they weren't orchestrating this thing to try to solve people's pain. All the documents and emails are just like, these are big hitter areas. Meaning like sell, sell, sell. So all these sales reps were going out pushing, you know, like they're fucking, like they're trying to sell cars. I mean they were selling them like candy.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 8:49 It was crazy. I mean, the government was totally, totally okay with it. I mean, the F- FDA didn't have anything against it for a long time. They were like, "Oh, they're solving pain."

Joe Rogan 8:56 Just the money involved.

Andrew Santino 8:56 So much money.

Joe Rogan 8:56 The money involved is staggering.

Andrew Santino 8:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:58 It's hard for us to even understand how much money is coming in from pills. Just from pills. And here's the thing about prescribing them, this is, let's be honest. Everyone's in pain.

Andrew Santino 9:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 It's part of being a person.

Andrew Santino 9:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:08 If you're, and especially if you're an older person that's maybe got a difficult job like you have to carry things and move things around that are heavy, you're in fucking pain.

Andrew Santino 9:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 You got back problems. Everybody has back problems. So then you go to these people with back problems, they're like, "I've got a fucking solution for you." Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Santino 9:21 This is the fix.

Joe Rogan 9:22 "This is the fucking fix."

Andrew Santino 9:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:23 It's, it's soul poison. Once you get hooked on soul poison. You know?

Andrew Santino 9:27 Well, and then what happens is these, these doctors, this woman, Jacqueline Claggett, that's who the documentary focuses on, she's running a, a pill mill, right?

Joe Rogan 9:34 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 9:34 So like, she's writing 70, 80 prescriptions a day and you get all these doctors on there that are like, "That's impossible."

Joe Rogan 9:40 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 9:40 You, to see 70 people is not, you couldn't do it even if you were fucking... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:44 How could you see 70 people in a day?

Andrew Santino 9:46 It's impossible.

Joe Rogan 9:46 It's, that bitch is flagrant.

Andrew Santino 9:48 So she was making unbelievable money.

Joe Rogan 9:50 Just bro, stop and let's break this down by the minute.

Andrew Santino 9:52 Yeah. 70 a day.

Joe Rogan 9:54 There's eight hours in a day.

Andrew Santino 9:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:56 So let's, let's, she said 70-80, let's get crazy and say it's 80.

Andrew Santino 9:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:00 So there's eight hours in the day so she's seeing 10 people in an hour?

Andrew Santino 10:03 In an hour, yeah. 10 people an hour.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Each hour?

Andrew Santino 10:05 Yeah, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 10:05 Not counting lunch.

Andrew Santino 10:06 (laughs) No coffee breaks. There is no lunch, no.

Joe Rogan 10:07 If you have to shit, hold it in.

Andrew Santino 10:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:10 We're here to make money, baby. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 10:13 (laughs) No bathroom breaks, let's go!

Joe Rogan 10:15 (gasps)

Andrew Santino 10:15 Well, she was operating at night, that was the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Oh, my God. At night.

Andrew Santino 10:17 And this whole investigation was about she would have a, uh, a New Orleans cop in her lobby to make sure that nobody was trying to, you know, trying to bust her.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Strong arm her or, you know...

Andrew Santino 10:25 Yeah, she paid off the cops. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 10:27 And they didn't, and they got in no trouble.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Well, they do that, you pay, uh, you pay security detail money for cops.

Andrew Santino 10:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Yeah, the cops are happy. We're all working together.

Andrew Santino 10:34 Yeah, and the cops are like, "What do you mean? I'm just protecting the front."

Joe Rogan 10:36 In the cop's mind, hey, he's not breaking the law.

Andrew Santino 10:38 No, he's not. He's, he knows what's going on in the back 'cause he's probably getting tipped off a few, but-

Joe Rogan 10:42 But it's all, it's, the, the law is very sketchy. It was really sketchy back in the day. Did you ever see, um... Who did it? Who was that, who, who made, um, uh, OxyContin Express? What was the company behind that?

Andrew Santino 10:56 I don't know that at all.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Put- see if you can find that.

Andrew Santino 10:57 Is that a movie?

Joe Rogan 10:58 Oh, it was, uh, a made for television thing.

Andrew Santino 11:01 Like a PBS thing?

Joe Rogan 11:02 That showed, um, an investigative report.

Andrew Santino 11:04 Mmm.

Joe Rogan 11:04 I'll get you the people who were in it too.

Andrew Santino 11:06 Vanguard.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Vanguard did it.

Andrew Santino 11:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:07 But who, who was the woman and the man behind it?

Andrew Santino 11:09 Mariana Van Zeller? And...

Joe Rogan 11:13 Put it up so I can see it so I can say it 'cause, um, they were on the podcast. They were really cool, way back in the day.

Andrew Santino 11:18 Just a second here.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Yeah, Mariana Van Zeller and wasn't her husband involved in this as well?... I think so. Anyway, awesome documentary that detailed what was going on down there. In Florida, they didn't have a database. So if you went to me and I was a doctor and you're like, "My back hurts." I'm like, "You need drugs." And I gave you OxyContin. You'd be like, "Thanks, bro." And then you go over to Jamie-

Andrew Santino 11:39 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... and you go to Dr. Jamie, "Hey, m- my back hurts." He goes, "You need OxyContin."

Andrew Santino 11:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:42 And he goes, "Thanks, bro." And he gives it to you and then you just keep going. And so they would go to 10, 20, 30 different doctors and they have this thing called pain management centers.

Andrew Santino 11:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:50 You go to a ca- pain management center, you see some soulless doctor just sitting there just writing out scripts just f-

Andrew Santino 11:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:56 And they... The only thing they write scripts for is OxyContins and, and painkillers. And then they go right next door to the pharmacy. It's in the same thing. You have one door is here, one door is here. You go right next door and you get your drugs, like in the same building.

Andrew Santino 12:07 Right. And-

Joe Rogan 12:08 It's a one-stop shop for drugs.

Andrew Santino 12:09 And there's no computer system to check, so-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Right.

Andrew Santino 12:10 ... you just keep doing it.

Joe Rogan 12:12 And look, everybody who does drugs dr- does drugs for a reason, right? Whether you do real heroin or whether you do coke, like you're doing drugs 'cause y- th- I mean, it might not be a, a, a reason that makes sense to you, but they wanna do those drugs. Right?

Andrew Santino 12:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:24 You can come up with reasons why you wanna take painkillers.

Andrew Santino 12:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:27 Almost anyone.

Andrew Santino 12:28 Everything.

Joe Rogan 12:29 S- people are always in pain. My shoulder hurts. Well, this is my... Don't, you know, take half of one of these. Half?

Andrew Santino 12:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:35 Got it.

Andrew Santino 12:36 I'll take half now and half right after it.

Joe Rogan 12:37 It's just crazy how many of them there are. If you looked at the actual numbers of prescriptions that are written every year in this country, it's like, "What are you talking about?"

Andrew Santino 12:44 Have you ever taken anything?

Joe Rogan 12:46 No, not that stuff. I did a morphine drip once, though, when I was, uh, in the hospital for my knee, uh-

Andrew Santino 12:51 That's heavy.

Joe Rogan 12:52 ... reconstruction in, like, '93. And, uh, dude, it was awesome. I was laying there-

Andrew Santino 12:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... I was hitting that button, bang, bang. And I was on a continual motion machine. I had a patella tendon graft, which means they'd cut a piece out of your bone of your kneecap and a piece of bone out of your shin and connect it to a strip of your patella tendon. Then they open you up like a fish and they screw this in on one bone and screw that in another bone and they reconstruct you a new ACL. It's awesome.

Andrew Santino 13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:17 It works great today. To this day, I throw kicks with it, I run with it no problem.

Andrew Santino 13:20 And you were floating on the clouds.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Oh, my God. So I'm on this machine that keeps your leg moving after so it doesn't stiffen up, right?

Andrew Santino 13:26 So the blood doesn't clot and stuff, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 So it's... This machine's moving like this and this fucking drip, I'm hitting this drip hard, ba-bang, ba-ba-bang, ba-bang. It's like a warm hug. Like, when I was lying there, I was like, "I get it." The only time I've experienced that, uh, very similar was when the old NyQuil wa- was available, the real codeine-filled NyQuil.

Andrew Santino 13:47 Yeah, when it fucked you up.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Woo! And, uh, I had-

Andrew Santino 13:49 I'd be high the next morning.

Joe Rogan 13:50 I was so high. I was lying in my bed, I felt so good. I felt so loved.

Andrew Santino 13:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:56 I felt like the, like the, just-

Andrew Santino 13:58 (laughs) Loved.

Joe Rogan 13:58 I, I felt so much better. It's like before the drugs, I was miserable. I had the flu, I felt like shit.

Andrew Santino 14:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:03 But then as soon as I took that stuff, I was like, "I feel loved." I feel like I- I'm just, like, f- floating in softness and like, ah. I get it.

Andrew Santino 14:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:12 I get why people need that. I-

Andrew Santino 14:13 I'm the opposite, man. I fucking... I t- I tore ligaments in my leg and I took... They gave me Vicodin and, uh, it had an adverse effect. It was so bad I had to go back to the doctor and I was like, "It's giving me crazy anxiety." I couldn't sleep and I ate-

Joe Rogan 14:24 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 14:24 ... and I was eating a few of them to try to kill the pain. The pain would get worse and the guy was like, "Maybe you... Maybe Vicodin and you don't mix."

Joe Rogan 14:30 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 14:30 But it fu-... And it made my... It made me angry, I was going through these re- like, really, like night tremor spells and shit. I was like, "This stuff is..." I couldn't do... I never touched it again. I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Some people love that stuff.

Andrew Santino 14:39 Vicodin? Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:40 I had a friend of mine, he used to take Vicodins and play guitar, and he said it made him really creative.

Andrew Santino 14:44 Really?

Joe Rogan 14:45 I said, "Really?" I t- I think I took either Vicodin or Percocet, I can't remember, after th- that first knee surgery. But I only took it once, because it made me so stupid. I remember it dulled the pain a little bit, but I was so dumb, man.

Andrew Santino 14:58 Yeah, you're foggy.

Joe Rogan 14:58 I was just half out of it. And I was like-

Andrew Santino 14:59 Yeah, your brain is not full.

Joe Rogan 15:00 ... "I'd rather be in pain." Like, "This is stupid. I can't even enjoy a television show. I don't know what the fuck is going on." I'm laying in my apartment, I can't even watch TV, 'cause I'm so stupid.

Andrew Santino 15:08 Right. Yeah, I hate that shit. I, uh, that, that's a thing that I, like... And I, and I think I have a high tolerance for medication and there's a weird-

Joe Rogan 15:14 It's called being an alcoholic. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 15:16 Hey, hey, Joe. Joe. A functioning alcoholic.

Joe Rogan 15:21 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 15:21 You could look it up though. There's a thing about redheads. Redheads have a gene-

Joe Rogan 15:23 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 15:24 ... where they have high pain tolerances and high tolerances to me- to certain medicines.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Yes.

Andrew Santino 15:28 And so, every time I've ever taken stuff, nothing really works for me the way that it's supposed to. You know what I mean? Like, people, people say all the time, like, "Oh, what do you... Just pop a couple Advil." Advil has never done anything for me in my whole life.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 15:39 If I could take three or four, it doesn't fucking mean... You know when they give you those, um, you know, if you go to a doctor if, if you've got some kind of thing like s- headache or whatever and they give you those super Advils, you know, that like, uh, triple the dose or whatever?

Joe Rogan 15:49 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 15:49 I take those things and they're nothing, so I end up throwing them away.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Why is it okay to discriminate against redheads? It's one of the last fun things to discriminate against people that w- would still actually hurts their feelings.

Andrew Santino 15:59 Because, um, we're still white. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:03 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 16:06 We still are wi- underneath it all.

Joe Rogan 16:08 Deal with it.

Andrew Santino 16:08 They're like, "He still has advantages."

Joe Rogan 16:09 Deal with it.

Andrew Santino 16:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:11 Um-

Andrew Santino 16:11 It's actually, it's actually when I see, like, a redheaded Black guy, I'm like, "Oh, man."

Joe Rogan 16:15 Poor fella.

Andrew Santino 16:15 "Double down. Jesus Christ."

Joe Rogan 16:17 I have seen, um, redheaded people that are really good at taking punishment.

Andrew Santino 16:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:21 And I've always wondered... Like, I've read things about redheads having a higher tolerance for pain too.

Andrew Santino 16:26 Yeah, they do. What was that, that article he brought up-

Joe Rogan 16:28 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 16:28 ... th- this show about... It's like, it's something, it's something in... I don't know what th- there's... I, I w- I'm gonna misquote it, but yeah, the M, M, that's where-

Joe Rogan 16:35 The MC1R gene belongs to a family of receptors that include pain receptors in the brain. As a result, a mutation in the gene allows... Appears, rather, to influence the body's sensitivity to pain. That makes sense. There's so many Irish dudes who can take a insane beating.

Andrew Santino 16:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:48 You know what I mean?

Andrew Santino 16:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:49 A 2004 Stu- and then on top of that, just the toughness of the Irish people.

Andrew Santino 16:54 Oh, their fucking, their background just-

Joe Rogan 16:56 A redhead from Ireland with that MC1R gene?

Andrew Santino 17:00 R gene? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:00 Jesus Christ, you'd have to kill him.

Andrew Santino 17:01 MC1R sounds like a Mortal Kombat character. "MC1R."

Joe Rogan 17:05 It does. It sounds like a bike.

Andrew Santino 17:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:07 Like some sort of fucking-

Andrew Santino 17:08 MC1R.

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... ninja bike.

Andrew Santino 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 The mutation in the MC1R gene also occurs in brunettes, although it's less common. In the latest study, the researchers tested for the MC1R gene variant, finding that in 65 of 67 redheads... Holy shit. And in 20 of 77 people with brown or Black hair. That's interesting. So it's, uh, like, what is that? Like, 30 something percent of people that are brown haired, but almost-... what is that, like, 90-

Andrew Santino 17:34 Ninety...

Joe Rogan 17:34 ... seven? Ninety-

Andrew Santino 17:35 S- yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 ... eight percent?

Andrew Santino 17:36 Almost 98, 97 and change.

Joe Rogan 17:38 That's crazy. So all redheads can take a beating.

Andrew Santino 17:42 Mentally and physically.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Congratulations. Oh, you could take a beating mentally-

Andrew Santino 17:45 Yes, it's... mentally too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:45 That's to prepare you for life as a redhead.

Andrew Santino 17:46 (laughs) Yeah, that's exactly... God was like-

Joe Rogan 17:48 You've got a turtle shell.

Andrew Santino 17:48 ... "This guy's gonna get shitted on, we better make it..."

Joe Rogan 17:51 (laughs) Bro, you have a mental turtle shell.

Andrew Santino 17:53 I do. Yeah, I have a mental shell.

Joe Rogan 17:55 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 17:55 You just have to, like, l-... I think, I think every redhead I know has an attitude because of how you're treated as a kid.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 18:02 But when... I've talked about this before. People think that it's not a thing. It's a thing. A r-... If there's a room full of people, right? And a bunch of PC, like, mongers or s- social justice warriors are in the room, everyone would be like, "You can't say anything about him, can't say anything about her, about her." If they got to a redhead, they'd be like, "It's, it's fine."

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 18:19 "They can... It's not-"

Joe Rogan 18:20 They're white.

Andrew Santino 18:21 "... that's not that big of a deal."

Joe Rogan 18:21 They're white.

Andrew Santino 18:22 "They're still full white." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:22 Like, imagine making fun of a handsome white man with blonde hair. Would you?

Andrew Santino 18:28 H- w- I... A Hitler's dream? Yeah, probably a Hitler's dream.

Joe Rogan 18:31 A Hitler's dream.

Andrew Santino 18:31 Yeah, a Hitler's come, come sh-

Joe Rogan 18:32 You can make fun of him that way.

Andrew Santino 18:33 Mm-hmm. Yeah. But otherwise-

Joe Rogan 18:34 "This Nazi motherfucker." Like, you could easily, and no one would feel bad.

Andrew Santino 18:38 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Because it's perceived that they have all the advantages.

Andrew Santino 18:41 Yeah. Even though, like, what if they're, you know... They could... They're, they're homeless and they're, you know, they've never-

Joe Rogan 18:46 How about they're, how about they're dumb? That's the biggest disadvantage a person ever has.

Andrew Santino 18:49 Right. Yeah, if they're stupid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:49 Because their brain doesn't work. How many really handsome dummies do you know?

Andrew Santino 18:52 I mean, most.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Bro, I know a couple guys that are dreamboats, but they're dumb as a rock.

Andrew Santino 18:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:57 They're so handsome. They have just beautiful faces and perfect cheeks, and they just look great. If I was a girl, I'd be so excited.

Andrew Santino 19:02 N- he's not talking about you, Jamie. Stop, stop. He- Jamie raised his hand.

Joe Rogan 19:05 If I was a girl, I'd be so excited to meet those guys. But part of me says those poor bastards are at a disadvantage. Because everything's so easy.

Andrew Santino 19:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Right? They're big, giant, handsome people. Like, if you see a six-foot-tall perfect man, like, do you know what kind of pussy David Hasselhoff must have been getting in the '80s?

Andrew Santino 19:22 (laughs) Insane.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Are you kidding me?

Andrew Santino 19:23 Insane.

Joe Rogan 19:23 Can you imagine the kind of girl... The girls were catapulting themself in his direction.

Andrew Santino 19:28 (laughs) Spread leg.

Joe Rogan 19:28 It didn't matter if he was smart or not. He was beautiful.

Andrew Santino 19:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:32 You know? And he was really tall and classically handsome. You know? That's a giant advantage. And if you, you have that giant advantage and you don't have to work hard to meet women... Look at him. Jesus Christ, what a dreamboat.

Andrew Santino 19:43 (laughs) Yeah, he's a baby.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Are you fucking kidding me? Look at that face. He's beautiful.

Andrew Santino 19:46 Where's the, where's the, where's the naked one where he's on the rug? That's the funny one, right?

Joe Rogan 19:49 He's a really nice guy too. He did an episode of Fear Factor.

Andrew Santino 19:52 Did he?

Joe Rogan 19:52 Yeah, yeah. He did Celebrity Fear Factor. He, um...

Andrew Santino 19:55 This is what's great about back then, though. You didn't have to have a great body.

Joe Rogan 19:58 At all.

Andrew Santino 19:58 Like, nobody had a six-pack, no one had packs. Unless you were a bodybuilder.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Yeah, look at him. Like, he looks like a guy who's m- maybe worked out three times.

Andrew Santino 20:06 Yeah, right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:07 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 20:07 He kind of knows where the gyms are.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 20:10 Like when someone in a hotel goes, uh, "We have a gym," and he's like, "I'll check it out." You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:14 (laughs) "Hey, looks good. I l- I love this Nautilus equipment."

Andrew Santino 20:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:17 Yeah, he was, uh... But, but my point being, like, that guy, uh...

Andrew Santino 20:22 Look at that ta... Look at that no, like, no muscle struct- look at his fucking arms.

Joe Rogan 20:26 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 20:28 (laughs) There's no muscle structure, dude. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:31 He didn't, he didn't do much working out.

Andrew Santino 20:31 But you don't need to back then. You had, you could be like a Hollywood dude who didn't ever... It's kinda like Leonardo DiCaprio might be the only guy who's that famous and good-looking today that has a bad body.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Blugh.

Andrew Santino 20:42 Br- bring... His body is shit.

Joe Rogan 20:44 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 20:44 That dude has a shit bo-... For a famous guy, dude, he has a dog shit body.

Joe Rogan 20:48 (gasps)

Andrew Santino 20:49 All the guys at his level are m-... Brad Pitt, Ryan Reynolds, all these dudes are jacked as shit.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Jacked. Jacked.

Andrew Santino 20:55 Jacked. Jacked.

Joe Rogan 20:55 Jacked. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 20:55 And you see, you... Leonardo DiCaprio, and you're like, "This, this schlubby Play-Doh-looking fucking body?"

Joe Rogan 21:01 (laughs) Dude, he's so good though.

Andrew Santino 21:02 I know he's the pump-

Joe Rogan 21:02 He's so good.

Andrew Santino 21:03 He's the pump king. He gets everything. He does whatever he wants.

Joe Rogan 21:05 But he's such a good actor.

Andrew Santino 21:06 He... I mean-

Joe Rogan 21:07 He's so good.

Andrew Santino 21:07 He's one o- one of my favorite of all time, 'cause he made movies back then that I loved and now that I like.

Joe Rogan 21:13 You can forget how good he is 'cause he's so handsome. You can forget. But then you see a movie like... Did you see... Like, look at his body. (trombone sound effect) Perfect. Perfect. That's Bert Kreischer if he lost 100 pounds.

Andrew Santino 21:23 (laughs) I mean...

Joe Rogan 21:24 He's perfect.

Andrew Santino 21:25 It's a dumpy regular dude's body.

Joe Rogan 21:27 He's built perfect. And look, he's not, he's not trying to hide it.

Andrew Santino 21:29 No, it's awesome.

Joe Rogan 21:29 He's seven months pregnant and he doesn't give a fuck.

Andrew Santino 21:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:32 Just waddling around there on the beach with a cocaine baby inside his belly. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 21:37 (laughs) Leo in his second trimester.

Joe Rogan 21:40 He's... He can do whatever the fuck he wants. He's a fucking modern-day Jack Nicklaus.

Andrew Santino 21:44 But that's why I'm... That's, that's why I appreciate this dude.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Jack Nickla- son, not the golfer. The actor.

Narrator 21:49 The golfer.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Damn, that would have sounded better if I got the name right. He's a modern-day Jack Nicholson.

Andrew Santino 21:52 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Like, he's not trying-

Andrew Santino 21:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:53 ... with his fucking body. He's just being an amazing actor. Dude, in Django, when he played that evil dude?

Andrew Santino 21:58 Unreal.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Fucking-A, man. You buy it, you believe it.

Andrew Santino 22:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:02 So intense.

Andrew Santino 22:03 That fight scene was one of my favorite fight scenes.

Joe Rogan 22:05 There's like... When he, he fucking hits these intense moments, like in The Revenant as well, it's another movie where he has these moments where like, "Fuck."

Andrew Santino 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:13 You forget how good that guy is. You forget how good he is.

Andrew Santino 22:15 Yeah, did you like Once Upon a Time, or no?

Joe Rogan 22:17 Loved it.

Andrew Santino 22:17 You did?

Joe Rogan 22:18 Loved it.

Andrew Santino 22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Except the Bruce Lee scene. But that's... I'm a Bruce Lee fan. I'm a dork.

Andrew Santino 22:22 Real disrespectful to Bruce Lee. It was really-

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah. He just didn't make sense. Because, uh, even though Bruce Lee was very confident, he, he, d- deemed that he was arrogant. That's what Qu- Quentin was saying. And there's n- you know. I don't think he's... I just don't think he was a Bruce Lee fan.

Andrew Santino 22:36 Has any athlete at that caliber not been arrogant?

Joe Rogan 22:40 Well, he's...

Andrew Santino 22:40 Can you name me someone that good and that-

Joe Rogan 22:42 See, that's... This is where things are sw- sw- swirly, right? Because Bruce Lee wasn't, like, a professional athlete per se. He was an actor. But he was also one of the most important m- martial arts pioneers ever.

Andrew Santino 22:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Because he was, like, a true dyed-in-the-wool innovator. And if you look at his skills, like when he did The Green Hornet and Game of Death and all... Chinese Connection, just his kicking and striking skills, off-the-charts technique. Beautiful technique. And for the time, very few people had technique like him though.

Andrew Santino 23:13 Hm.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Like, in, in the later years, people's technique improved. They got ch-... They, they... People had a chance to see more styles in video and see more of what's possible. But if you go back and watch even, like, legends like Jim Kelly and, like, some of those other... Like, Joe Lewis, who was a heavyweight kickboxing champion, not the boxer.

Andrew Santino 23:31 Yeah, I was just gonna say.

Joe Rogan 23:32 You'll see those guys playing in movies and th- their technique was not as good.... is Bruce Lee's.

Andrew Santino 23:36 Why was his so sharp?

Joe Rogan 23:37 He just was a genius. He's a genius martial artist. He understood more about martial arts than anybody b- of his era because he understood that everyone was being imprisoned by ideology. Like, if you were a judo guy, you had to stick with judo.

Andrew Santino 23:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:52 You couldn't learn Muay Thai. If you learned Muay Thai, you would be disrespectful to your master, disrespectful to your style.

Andrew Santino 23:59 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:59 And people get mad at you. When I was training in TaeKwonDo and then I started kickboxing, my, my instructor did not like it. They did not like... One of my instructors, in particular, did not like it, didn't think I needed to do it, didn't... Th- thought I could get everything that I needed at there. But I knew that wasn't true-

Andrew Santino 24:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:13 ... 'cause I was going to gyms and getting boxed up and I was like, "Okay, I'm getting my bell rung. Like, I need to learn how to use my fucking hands better." And I started going to boxing gyms and these... There was very... Like, you couldn't do that. You weren't supposed to do that. Like, they were a little bit lenient with me because they knew I was a lawyer and I was an instructor. I was trying to learn things.

Andrew Santino 24:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:31 But when you go to a Kung Fu school, if you thought you could go to a karate school, they would fucking beat you. Like, the people would really kick your ass if they thought you were leaving to go train with a karate school.

Andrew Santino 24:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:40 It was real weird. So back in the day, Bruce Lee was the only guy. He was training in Wing Chun and, uh, qui- quite a few other martial arts he studied, but then he started studying Western boxing, he started studying wrestling, he started studying judo and, you know, he did some grappling training with Gene LeBell, who is supposed to kind of represent the Brad Pitt character because the Brad... But in a different way. The Brad Pitt character is this ultimate badass stunt guy-

Andrew Santino 25:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:05 ... in that movie. And him and Bruce Lee get in a fight and, you know, he kind of kicks Bruce Lee's ass, right?

Andrew Santino 25:10 He really fucks him up.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Really fucks him up.

Andrew Santino 25:12 Yeah. Kicks him into a fucking car, it folds the door.

Joe Rogan 25:14 But the real story when Bruce Lee met Judo Gene LeBell... Judo Gene LeBell was a stuntman and he's a fucking gorilla.

Andrew Santino 25:22 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 He was a he- a l- heavyweight or light-heavyweight judo champion and, I mean, a fucking, uh, bear of a man and he just picked Bruce Lee up like he would pick up you or me-

Andrew Santino 25:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 ... and walked around with him on his shoulder like ta- just, just being cute with him and, and Bruce Lee was like, "Okay. Teach me." And Bruce Lee and him trained together.

Andrew Santino 25:44 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 25:44 And even in, uh, I think it was Game of Death when the opening scenes, he gets this guy... It's either in a crucifix or an armbar, I forget, but he gets this guy in a submission technique which would be in the very first ever MMA gloves. Like, the... I don't know who invented those gloves, who designed them, but those gloves that Bruce Lee was wearing in... I think it was Game of Death. Those... Was it Game of Death or Enter the Dragon where he wore those gloves? I think it was Game of Death. Those gloves that he was wearing-

Andrew Santino 26:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:12 ... they were just like UFC gloves. Just like UFC gloves. Just a little bit different. Little more puffy-

Andrew Santino 26:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:17 ... than UFC gloves but anyway, he gets this dude down and gets him in a fucking armlock and he taps him. That's Judo Gene LeBell shit, like-

Andrew Santino 26:23 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:23 ... LeBell taught him how to do that stuff. But what I was saying is, like, it's not impossible that Bruce Lee would get beat up by someone like Gene LeBell.

Andrew Santino 26:32 Sure.

Joe Rogan 26:32 In fact, I would bet everything on it. I would bet the fucking house-

Andrew Santino 26:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:36 ... if Bruce Lee had a fight with Gene LeBell, Gene LeBell would grab him and just like he would do you or just like he'd do to me, he would choke him unconscious.

Andrew Santino 26:43 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 26:44 That's just facts.

Andrew Santino 26:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:46 This is just facts. That's not the problem. If they had that in the movie, that wouldn't be a problem. The problem is, like, he... They had Bruce Lee act like an asshole.

Andrew Santino 26:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:54 And there was no real evidence that he acted like that. He was certainly confident but it was also 'cause he was a brilliant man and he knew he was brilliant.

Andrew Santino 27:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:01 He knew he was right. He combined all these martial arts. He was the first guy to combine things. He was the first guy to take some of the kicks from Savate, which is like this French, uh, kickboxing style, and he would combine them with movement of fencing. He was, uh, really interested in fencing, how they had these big entries-

Andrew Santino 27:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:18 ... and he's... He realized that there's, like, a, a technique to these big entries with the sword that you could apply with a punch. And so, he was into fencing and he was into everything, man.

Andrew Santino 27:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:27 He was a genius.

Andrew Santino 27:28 So what was Quentin trying to say?

Joe Rogan 27:29 He made him out to be a dickwad. He made him out to be-

Andrew Santino 27:31 Because he didn't like him?

Joe Rogan 27:32 I don't think he knew him and it was more fun for him to make him out to be that way.

Andrew Santino 27:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Look, everybody in the movie was someone who they weren't, right? Like, the... All the Manson family winds up... Spoiler alert. They turn the tables on them and they all get killed-

Andrew Santino 27:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:43 ... and none of the innocent people die.

Andrew Santino 27:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Like, it's a fucking wild scene in the movie. The thing is, they made a guy who's a beloved historical figure, they made him out, made him out to be a dickwad. It's like, he does that with every- whenever... Like, when he's making these movies, they're just wild ass movies. He does whatever he wants.

Andrew Santino 27:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:59 That's why those movies are so great. I would never tell him what to do, but I'm just saying, the only thing I didn't like was that this guy who is this... You know, it's... There... Is there an equivalent in other sports like Bruce Lee? It's hard to say because he wasn't really a competitor, right? He had maybe, like, one karate match that was recorded. I'm sure he had some gym fights. Everybody who got involved in martial arts had some kind of gym fights where there were real fights, it just took place behind closed doors.

Andrew Santino 28:25 Like, is there someone who kind of transcended their, transcended their sport a little bit?

Joe Rogan 28:29 N- no, not... But, but with... Other than... Like, think of any other sport of that era.

Andrew Santino 28:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:33 And w- w- or i- it's more than s- uh, sport, right? Fighting is, like, a little bit more personal. W- w- what one person transcended the whole art like Bruce Lee did?

Andrew Santino 28:45 Yeah, it's hard. I mean, the only guy that, like, comes to mind that d- that dynamically is such a remarkable athlete, like Bo Jackson is maybe the most impressive, quiet, humble athlete that our, my generation's ever seen. Bo Jackson was not only a pro baseball player but a pro football player and was fucking insane at both and when he was done because of injury, unfortunately, he relegated himself to still becoming this, like, very centered athlete. There's video of him shooting bow and arrow with his toes and s- and ripping bulls eyes. I mean, he's an incredible dynamic athlete who's very quiet and humble and was always kinda the guy who never boasted the way that his image was put up, right? Like, his image was put up to a degree that was, like, one of the greatest of all... Like, Bo knows. He was a campaign. He became a superstar.

Joe Rogan 29:31 But his image was based on his accomplishments-

Andrew Santino 29:33 Yeah, it's...

Joe Rogan 29:34 ... not based on him talking.

Andrew Santino 29:34 That's what I'm saying. He did-

Joe Rogan 29:35 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 29:35 Bo was never a guy that was very, like, in your face and loud and boisterous. You know, like, a guy-

Joe Rogan 29:41 No.

Andrew Santino 29:41 A guy today would be like, you know, like, Ochocinco, you know, like, Che Che... All he... All those guys either big, flashy, they're talkers, "I'm the, I'm the shit." Uh, Deion Sanders is a better example of a guy who was a football player and a baseball player.

Joe Rogan 29:51 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 29:51 All... Neon Deion, bro. Showtime. All he did was talk about how good he was.... bow wasn't that way, but, but in my opinion was the most dynamic athlete I ever saw as a kid. He was fu- he used to break baseball bats over his knee when he got-

Joe Rogan 30:04 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 30:04 ... mad if he struck out. I mean-

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 30:05 ... and it looked like a, it looked like me cracking a twig. I mean, but if you s- find, try to find a video of him shooting that bow, it's the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. He, he, he whittles 'em and makes all of it himself at his house. He lives up in the woods somewhere.

Joe Rogan 30:18 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 30:18 I swear to God, dude. He's s-

Joe Rogan 30:19 He was, he was on my friend Steve Rinella's podcast.

Andrew Santino 30:21 He's an e- he's incredible.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Leadheater. It's a really interesting episode.

Andrew Santino 30:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 So yeah. He's got a bow-making shop. He got really into bow hunting, but now he can't draw a bow back anymore. His shoulders are so fucked up-

Andrew Santino 30:32 Yeah, he's so fucked up.

Joe Rogan 30:33 ... from football that, uh, he has to use a crossbow now.

Andrew Santino 30:38 But I mean, he's just, he's one of those guys that was... I guess the only way I can compare him is just his humility was overwhelming. He never-

Joe Rogan 30:45 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 30:45 ... really was a loud, boisterous guy when he, both when he played and after his career. So that was the only thing that I think would parallel Bruce Lee, because everything I know about Bruce Lee is like-

Joe Rogan 30:54 But he, this is my difference. He was a super accomplished athlete. Bruce Lee was-

Andrew Santino 30:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:58 ... a movie guy.

Andrew Santino 31:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:00 He was a movie star.

Andrew Santino 31:00 But you don't think that-

Joe Rogan 31:01 He's a different animal.

Andrew Santino 31:01 Yeah, I guess that's true, but I mean, but when you saying, from your perspective saying like he, he was a martial artist, right?

Joe Rogan 31:08 Yeah. For sure.

Andrew Santino 31:09 So, so then isn't that still true without the movie shit? He was a phenomenal martial artist.

Joe Rogan 31:12 He was definitely a phenomenal martial artist.

Andrew Santino 31:14 Just didn't compete.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Didn't really compete.

Andrew Santino 31:15 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:16 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 31:16 I guess that's part of it. But I mean like, can you not compete and still be at the top of a thing? I mean, is that possible?

Joe Rogan 31:22 I don't know, man. You know, that's the one thing, um, that if I was gonna make an argument against me as a commentator for the MMA, uh, for MMA... I've never-

Andrew Santino 31:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:31 ... fought in MMA. Like it's kind of hilarious that I'm a commentator for MMA.

Andrew Santino 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Even though I'm a fan of it and I m- know mostly what I'm talking about. You know, I have a... (laughs)

Andrew Santino 31:41 (laughs) I imagine that's on the contract.

Joe Rogan 31:42 It's true.

Andrew Santino 31:42 You must know most of what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 31:43 I does, but I know mostly what I'm talking about.

Andrew Santino 31:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 When it comes to wrestling, like I really, it's really interesting w- to work with guys like Dominick Cruz or work with Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier in particular was like one of the best wrestlers to ever compete in MMA.

Andrew Santino 31:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:54 I mean, he's an ama- and he's a, an active wrestling coach. And Dominick does a lot of coaching too, and a lot of MMA coaching too. But both guys are so good at breaking down the technical aspects of it. It makes you realize how little you really know-

Andrew Santino 32:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:06 ... about certain specialties, you know?

Andrew Santino 32:08 But are they good at what you... Th- the, the difference is, are they good at also articulating emotion and public, the public a viewpoint? That's-

Joe Rogan 32:15 Well-

Andrew Santino 32:15 ... that's the difference.

Joe Rogan 32:16 ... I can give expert analysis of ground fighting.

Andrew Santino 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Of ground fighting, I can give expert. Like j- just, you know, not to blow my horn, but I know what's going on. Like the way a lot of people know what's going on, um, with, uh, boxing, I can tell you what's going on with chokes and when, when someone's-

Andrew Santino 32:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:33 ... in trouble, when someone's not. And I can see it because I've been strangled a million times. So I-

Andrew Santino 32:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:37 ... I could see- (laughs) ... I could see where he's in trouble.

Andrew Santino 32:39 I know what that is.

Joe Rogan 32:40 I'm like, "This guy's in trouble." Like and some people can't see that. Um, but most MMA fighters at a certain point in time, they know most basic shit in terms of positions and when things are dangerous. It's-

Andrew Santino 32:51 Sure.

Joe Rogan 32:51 ... but once stuff gets exotic, like weird rubber guard transitions or, or, or, uh, strange chokes, like people invent new chokes all the time. There's always like something new that you haven't seen before. Like, "How the fuck did he do that?" And then you have to go back and watch it again.

Andrew Santino 33:04 But do people think... How many people think that you did fight?

Joe Rogan 33:08 I don't think anybody does.

Andrew Santino 33:09 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 33:09 You know, I, you know I kickboxed. And, uh, I mean, if anybody looks at my record, I have three kickboxing fights, and I don't know how many TaeKwonDo fights. A lot. Probably a hundred.

Andrew Santino 33:18 What was your record?

Joe Rogan 33:20 I don't know. I had two and one in kickboxing. I lost my last kickboxing fight. But as far as TaeKwonDo, I have no idea. I won the Massachusetts State Championship four years in a row, and I won the, um, I think it was called the American Open, which is a big tournament that I won. I came in second place in the US Cup. That was, uh, a big thing in, um, that was in, uh, Connecticut. And I fought the national champion in the finals, and I thought I beat him. That was when I was like 19, 20. That was when I was at my best. When I was around 21 before I tried out for the nationals and try, I was gonna try to make the Olympic team, that's when I was starting to box and kickbox, and I was losing faith in TaeKwonDo.

Andrew Santino 33:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:00 I was realizing that there was... I had a distorted perception of what I could do.

Andrew Santino 34:05 So it was just way m- you, you were way more engaged with boxing than you ever were with TaeKwonDo.

Joe Rogan 34:09 I, I was getting beat up.

Andrew Santino 34:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 That's what it was.

Andrew Santino 34:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:11 I would go to these kickboxing gyms, and when I would just bo- when I'd kickbox guys, I could kick them so hard they couldn't get close enough to box me a lot of the time. So I'd kick them in the arms, I'd kick them, and they'd be like, "What the fuck?" And then I could... Even though my hands weren't as good as those, my legs were so much better-

Andrew Santino 34:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:28 ... 'cause a lot of these guys couldn't kick at all. So as l- long as we were starting at a distance, I could slam my legs into them and they'd just be terrified.

Andrew Santino 34:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:35 Like so many guys just be r- they would just try to not to get hurt.

Andrew Santino 34:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Right? 'Cause if someone can kick and you can't kick, that's a terrible feeling.

Andrew Santino 34:42 Yeah. So much-

Joe Rogan 34:43 It's terrible.

Andrew Santino 34:43 So much scarier than taking a... 'Cause punches, I, I feel like, you know, like if you're getting in a fistfight, if someone fucking kicks you in a fistfight, I, I'm o- I'm done. I'm getting, it's-

Joe Rogan 34:51 You know-

Andrew Santino 34:51 ... I'm getting whooped.

Joe Rogan 34:51 ... it's so painful. There's so much mass in the leg and it's so, they're so heavy.

Andrew Santino 34:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:55 You don't realize how hard it is until you get hit. Even just getting hit in the arm, it f- it fucking sucks so bad-

Andrew Santino 35:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:02 ... when someone slams their shin into your arm, you're like, "Motherfucker."

Andrew Santino 35:06 (laughs) What the...

Joe Rogan 35:06 It sucks, dude. But, um, when I was boxing with dudes, I was getting lit up. And, uh, particularly there was this one dude that I used to box with. His name was Dangerous Dana Rosenblatt. He wound up to become the, uh, Massachusetts or the New England Middleweight Champion. Really good guy. And I was, uh, sparring with him a lot. In the beginning, he was beating my ass.

Andrew Santino 35:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:24 And I was like, "Damn, this kid wants to fight way more than I do." 'Cause I was already doing comedy at the time and I was starting to realize like I gotta pick one or the other.

Andrew Santino 35:30 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:31 And then, uh, as I was getting into kickboxing, because around 21 was when I got into comedy, right, right after my 21st birthday. And so when I was getting into, like really into kickboxing was like 20 into 21. And the same time, I was thinking about doing standup and at the same time I was realizing TaeKwonDo is bullshit. Not, not really bullshit, but-

Andrew Santino 35:50 Not for you.

Joe Rogan 35:50 ... it's in, it's incomplete.

Andrew Santino 35:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:52 The problem is it's incomplete if someone knows how to box. Like when someone closes the distance on you, you don't know what to do with your hands. You don't know how to protect yourself. You don't know where the punches are coming from. You're not used to it, and you have to get used to it.

Andrew Santino 36:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:04 And the only way to get used to it is to learn how to actually box. And I didn't know how to actually box until I was like 19 and 20 when I started going to these other gyms.

Andrew Santino 36:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:12 And then, um, I...... uh, when I, when I realized I had these giant holes, trying out for Taekwondo, like doing TaeKwonDo tournaments... And, and I still competed in TaeKwonDo, but less. I wasn't excited about it anymore, 'cause I realized, like, this is... If I wanna be a complete martial artist, like if I wanna follow like Bruce Lee's teaching, I've found a hole in my game and I have to patch that shit up.

Andrew Santino 36:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 36:34 'Cause there's a whole part that I thought I knew how to do and I didn't. I knew how to punch things, like I could punch things hard, but you think that's boxing-

Andrew Santino 36:41 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:41 ... until someone pops you with a double jab left hook. Like, pop, pop, bap! And you're like, "Oh, no."

Andrew Santino 36:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:47 "What is this nonsense?"

Andrew Santino 36:48 (laughs) When technique comes to play.

Joe Rogan 36:49 "What is this lead hand uppercut you just fucking chinned me with?" Fuck.

Andrew Santino 36:52 Do you think that's also, that's also 'cause you, like, uh, you're obsessed as a human, you are... You're obsessed with finding the next level of things? So you were leveling up too. Like TaeKwonDo just became kind of boring to you too.

Joe Rogan 37:03 It wasn't that, because I still wasn't the best in the country. You know, I'd lost in the finals to the guy... Who is this? Uh, Kareem Jabbar, I think his name was. He was the-

Andrew Santino 37:12 He sounds, he sounds good.

Joe Rogan 37:13 He was good.

Andrew Santino 37:13 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 37:13 He was very good. He was the actual champion. <|agent|><|en|>

Andrew Santino 37:15 You know Kareem Jabbars are good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:16 I lost a, a decision to... But I'm telling you, I thought I won that. But there was a lot of wacky decisions in TaeKwonDo. I mean, I definitely lost a lot of fights, but there was ones that I won that I didn't get the decision. I was like, "I won that fight."

Andrew Santino 37:27 Was it a point system?

Joe Rogan 37:28 Yeah, but it's a weird point system. It's very similar to boxing where, you know, you, like, you decide. Like people decide, they c-

Andrew Santino 37:34 Yeah, it's... I never understood, but I love boxing, watching my whole life.

Joe Rogan 37:36 In MMA, same thing.

Andrew Santino 37:37 I don't get... I still don't get boxing scoring when you're like, "What? Where do they come up with these numbers?"

Joe Rogan 37:41 It's just people that aren't good at it. You know, if you had like elite boxing judges... Like, that's what I used to love about, uh, HBO Boxing.

Andrew Santino 37:47 It's like comedy judges. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:48 Harold Letterman-

Andrew Santino 37:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:49 ... used to do the b- he used to tell you what the score was. He would tell you what the score was. You know, like, so he would say, "This is how I have it. You know, I think Rosario has been doing the best work." And he would t- you know, break down the fight-

Andrew Santino 38:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:01 ... and he... It was, it was part of the what was fun. But anyway, I, I wasn't b- bored with it in that I achieved the highest of heights. It was that I realized it had holes in it, like big holes.

Andrew Santino 38:10 Huh.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Big holes. Big holes like if I was in a street fight with one of those boxers and I was in a bar where I couldn't throw a kick, I would be in deep shit.

Andrew Santino 38:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 Deep shit. And so I learned how to box. But, um, that was right or... So, like, my exper- Like, I'm no expert. That's my point. Like I, I'm not a guy who should be explaining, like, uh, everything that's going on, because-

Andrew Santino 38:30 Yeah, but it's entertaining that's the...

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 38:32 Like we talked about before the show, all these NFL guys are mad 'cause Tony Romo got a $17 million contract and-

Joe Rogan 38:37 Hello.

Andrew Santino 38:37 ... and they're way better than him on the field than he ever was on the field. A lot of these guys are getting paid way less than this dude was. And they're like, "How the fuck is this dude getting paid?"

Joe Rogan 38:43 And he's talking.

Andrew Santino 38:44 Yeah, and he's just chatting.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Well, that's what makes guys like Neon Sanders, Neon Deion-

Andrew Santino 38:47 Neon Deion, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:48 ... be so flamboyant because it... that's where you get money outside of just playing.

Andrew Santino 38:52 Well, t- and the truth is, guys like Romo, uh, he, he does have... And this is something that you would share. His acumen for the game is so strong, but his also, like, his opinions are so real that he's not trying to save a job. A lot of times these announcers, they s- tryna just save a job, you know. They're like doing the right thing.

Joe Rogan 39:11 They're being safe.

Andrew Santino 39:12 Yes. They're, they're towing the line.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Boring! (laughs)

Andrew Santino 39:14 He doesn't give a fuck. He'll call out an offense or a defense-

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 39:17 ... and say, "Well, this is why they fucked up that last play." And I think America goes, "Oh, shit. That's great. That's cool to know."

Joe Rogan 39:24 Hmm.

Andrew Santino 39:24 Versus someone just going, "Here's the play and there's the play and that's what happened. And, okay, here next." I mean, it just get... People got bored of the same kind of announcers.

Joe Rogan 39:31 Well, it's also his insight is gonna be so much better than anybody who hasn't played the game.

Andrew Santino 39:35 Oh, he's, he's so keen.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Especially professional.

Andrew Santino 39:35 He just came off the field. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 39:37 He knows.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Exactly. That's why in the UFC they do a great job with guys like Michael Bisping, you know, who was a former middleweight champion. He does a lot of commentary now and he's great. You know-

Andrew Santino 39:44 DC, DC commenting.

Joe Rogan 39:46 DC.

Andrew Santino 39:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Dominick Cruz, Paul Felder, who's great at it too.

Andrew Santino 39:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:49 And, um, all these guys that have fought before, especially at the, the really highest level, maybe even fought some of the guys they're doing commentary for, they can give real insight as to w- s- things this guy does, what they train for, tendencies.

Andrew Santino 40:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Stuff like that.

Andrew Santino 40:01 Do any of these ex-fighters ever become trainers or coaches?

Joe Rogan 40:03 Oh, yeah, yeah. A lot of 'em. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 40:04 Because that's like the thing in the NBA is like, "Become a coach." It's like they all wanna become a coach. Not, not as much in the NFL, but NBA specifically it's big with that.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Yeah. But you know what makes me sad? When fighters become coaches and then get fat.

Andrew Santino 40:17 Well, they all get fat, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:18 A lot of them get fat. Not all of 'em, but a lot of them get fat.

Andrew Santino 40:21 (laughs) A lot of 'em, dude.

Joe Rogan 40:21 I don't wanna call anybody out.

Andrew Santino 40:22 Do it.

Joe Rogan 40:22 There's a bunch, there's a bunch in boxing, there's a bunch in MMA. And then you see 'em and you're like, "Damn, dude, what's going on? You ain't training?"

Andrew Santino 40:29 "No, I'm eating." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:30 Well, when they're done fighting, man, they're just done. They're just done. It's like-

Andrew Santino 40:34 Well, because a lot of these athletes, they spend their f- the every waking moment, like, not-

Joe Rogan 40:39 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 40:39 ... doing the fucked up thing that, that we all get to do. And so then when they get a break, I think at some point they're like, "Fuck it, dude."

Joe Rogan 40:45 But that was one of the reasons why it's so impressive that a guy like Georges St-Pierre takes four years off and comes back better than ever, because he never stopped training.

Andrew Santino 40:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Like, he really never stopped training, 'cause he's a martial artist.

Andrew Santino 40:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:57 He's not just a fighter. He fights professionally and he's a world champion, but he's also a martial artist. That's what he is. So he's always training, and he trains because he enjoys it. So, like, when I see a guy like him that takes years off and you see him, he looks like a fucking Greek god. He's sculpted.

Andrew Santino 41:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:14 You know, he looks perfect. Doesn't look like he's taking a day out o- off out of the gym.

Andrew Santino 41:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:17 He looks as good, if not better than he did when he was the welterweight champion of the world. He looks amazing. But he doesn't gain any weight.

Andrew Santino 41:22 Is it more fun... Isn't it more fun though to see a guy like-

Joe Rogan 41:25 Get fat as fuck?

Andrew Santino 41:26 Yeah. Like the Fur- like the Fury fight. Like, what a story to tell for a guy to get fat and then thin again.

Joe Rogan 41:30 (laughs) Yeah, but that's different. He's still a fighter.

Andrew Santino 41:33 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:33 He had a, just a depressed moment in his life. But we're talking about guys who become trainers after fighting-

Andrew Santino 41:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:38 ... and they get fat. That makes me sad because I think they're sad.

Andrew Santino 41:41 Well, yeah. They're also missing out on the thing that they used to get to do. I mean-

Joe Rogan 41:44 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 41:44 ... it's gotta be weird to put on a suit as a coach or a trainer or whatever, put on the proper gear when you're... and you're not doing the thing anymore and watching it.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 41:52 It's... You know what I've... And it's like, um... I quit basketball my senior year because I liked, um, partying a lot.

Joe Rogan 41:59 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 41:59 And I was like... (laughs) I say this, I fucking... I found drugs and I was like, "Take it easy basketball."

Joe Rogan 42:04 That's hilarious.

Andrew Santino 42:04 I, I just... I... And, and I... And a friend of mine invited me out. We were getting stoned, and he invited me to go to a game 'cause we knew one of the rival school guys who were playing and we wanted to see him afterwards.... and I went. And I was baked out of my head, but I was set- sitting in the bleachers watching them play, and a piece of it killed me. I didn't think it was gonna affect me 'cause I was like, "I'm over basketball. I'm never gonna play in college. I- it was fun while it lasted, I gotta move on." But it did kill me, dude. A piece of me was sitting there being like, "Fuck, this sucks that, like, I remember what that felt like, that thing." And when it got taken away f- that ... When I took it away from myself, it does fuck you up.

Joe Rogan 42:38 It's exciting.

Andrew Santino 42:39 It stays in your brain. Yeah, 'cause you miss it.

Joe Rogan 42:41 Well, it's ... You're, you're playing a game.

Andrew Santino 42:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:42 You're trying to win. They're trying to win too.

Andrew Santino 42:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:44 They ... The ball's going there. No, it's over here. I'm gonna try to grab it. Pass it to me.

Andrew Santino 42:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Oh, I take the shot.

Andrew Santino 42:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Whoosh. Yes, it went in.

Andrew Santino 42:50 You feel like a hero, right. It's like you w-

Joe Rogan 42:52 Dude.

Andrew Santino 42:52 ... you would ... Like, you retiring. If you retired from comedy and if you went to see a stand-up show, it would eat you alive. Like, if ...

Joe Rogan 42:58 Probably.

Andrew Santino 42:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:59 Unless you were done. Unless you were really done.

Andrew Santino 43:01 Are you really gonna ever be done?

Joe Rogan 43:02 Not me.

Andrew Santino 43:03 No, but I don't think-

Joe Rogan 43:03 But some people.

Andrew Santino 43:04 ... who ... But who do you know that ... of the greats that you love and respect are just done at some point?

Joe Rogan 43:09 Steve Martin.

Andrew Santino 43:10 He's still touring. He's touring right now.

Joe Rogan 43:11 Yeah, but not really. He's not doing standup.

Andrew Santino 43:13 He's doing this two-man show with, uh, Martin Short-

Joe Rogan 43:17 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 43:17 ... where they're ... I watched it. They do standup-y bits.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 43:21 But I also think Steve is ... got music, the music bug took over, which to me, still the same parallel. He's still performing. I think the music bug took over. Like ...

Joe Rogan 43:30 Well, he had it back then. I mean, don't you remember like his standup albums-

Andrew Santino 43:34 Yeah. Yeah, music.

Joe Rogan 43:35 ... had like King Tut.

Narrator 43:35 Doo, doo, doo.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Doo-doo-doo. Yeah, he had a bunch of songs-

Andrew Santino 43:38 But now, he's like a outright musician.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Musician.

Andrew Santino 43:40 That's all he wants to do.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 43:42 So I get ... So that to me, it's still the same ...

Joe Rogan 43:44 He's doing a different thing. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 43:45 He's just ... He, he's doing it differently, but he's still pro- ... So like to me, I always think when someone goes, "Oh yeah, when I retire," it's like you're never gonna fucking retire from comedy unless it tells you you gotta go away. I, I don't think comedy ... I don't think we ever quit. I think it just, you know, like ric- wrinkles.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Well, the thing is if you can still do it-

Andrew Santino 44:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:01 ... why would you stop? Do you know how fun it is?

Andrew Santino 44:03 Yeah. (laughs) How fun.

Joe Rogan 44:04 I mean, we talked about this before. Like, w- I feel bad for people who can't kill.

Andrew Santino 44:08 Yeah, it's weird.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Never filled ... You've never felt that?

Andrew Santino 44:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 You go on stage in the OR and just rock the house.

Andrew Santino 44:14 It's the best feeling in the world.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Bro. And when you got a new punchline, bam! And it hits. (imitates explosion)

Andrew Santino 44:19 When you know it's coming too-

Joe Rogan 44:20 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 44:20 ... the way it feels.

Joe Rogan 44:21 And you see people happy. You look out, it's all these smiles.

Andrew Santino 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 Everybody's having a good time.

Andrew Santino 44:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:27 Everybody's happy.

Andrew Santino 44:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:28 You feel that. You feel like you're making people feel good. They're laughing.

Andrew Santino 44:31 Yeah, that's why I think you can't ... That's why I think it's hard. It'd be really hard to quit. It's like a sad-

Joe Rogan 44:35 Very hard to quit.

Andrew Santino 44:35 It'd be a sad, a sad moment to like give that up. I feel like that ... You know when they say, "When a guy retires, that's when he dies sometimes."

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 44:42 My old man retired. Ch- uh, he's ... It's different, dude. His lust for life is a little bit different now. Like, he's going through waves. He's getting better, but it's weird, man. It just feels like ... He's a people person. He wants to be around people. And now that he doesn't have that anymore, I'm like, "Go get a fucking shitty job at a p- you know, clothing store or something." Because it's like, go get a bullshit job so you can talk to people 'cause being at the house is miserable.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 45:05 He doesn't do shit all day. He watches Fox News and eats beef jerky. And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 45:08 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 45:08 ... "Get of- get the fuck out of the house, dude."

Joe Rogan 45:12 (sighs) Dude, Fox News is designed for old people.

Andrew Santino 45:15 It's on loop at my ... It's on loop in the living room.

Joe Rogan 45:17 So many old people, when I go over their house, they're watching Fox News.

Andrew Santino 45:20 Fox New- f- Fox News, man.

Joe Rogan 45:22 And white men over 60-

Andrew Santino 45:23 (scoffs)

Joe Rogan 45:23 ... it's mandatory.

Andrew Santino 45:24 (laughs) Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 45:24 They watch Fox News and shake their head. "I can't believe these libs."

Andrew Santino 45:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:28 "I can't believe them."

Andrew Santino 45:29 And see? And lock her up.

Joe Rogan 45:31 "Can't believe they're trying to s-"

Andrew Santino 45:31 Lock her up!

Joe Rogan 45:31 "What are they, what are they trying to sneak in?"

Andrew Santino 45:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:31 "I don't believe them. I don't trust them."

Andrew Santino 45:31 They run out of so much material. Sometimes when I come home to my, my, my parents' house and they've run out of material to talk about on Fox News and they start getting really heavy into pop culture, I'm like, "Go get a fucking shitty job at a p- you know, clothing store or something." Because it's like, "Go get a bullshit job so you can talk to people 'cause being at the house is miserable."

Joe Rogan 45:31 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 45:31 Th- he doesn't do shit all day. He watches Fox News and eats beef jerky. And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 45:31 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 45:31 ... "Get of- get the fuck out of the house, dude."

Joe Rogan 45:31 (sighs) Dude, Fox News is designed for old people.

Andrew Santino 45:34 It's on loop at my ... It's on loop in the living room.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Uh, so many old people, when I go over to their house, they're watching Fox News.

Andrew Santino 45:36 Fox New- f- Fox News, man.

Joe Rogan 45:36 And white men over 60-

Andrew Santino 45:36 (snorts)

Joe Rogan 45:36 ... it's mandatory.

Andrew Santino 45:36 Yeah, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:36 They watch Fox News and shake their head. "I can't believe these libs."

Andrew Santino 45:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 "I can't believe them."

Andrew Santino 45:36 And see? And lock her up.

Joe Rogan 45:36 "Can't believe they're trying to s-"

Andrew Santino 45:36 Lock her up!

Joe Rogan 45:36 "What are they, what are they trying to sneak in?"

Andrew Santino 45:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:36 "I don't believe them. I don't trust them."

Andrew Santino 45:38 They run out of so much material. Sometimes when I come home to my, my, my parents' house and they've run out of material to talk about on Fox News and they start getting really heavy into pop culture, that's when it makes me laugh, when they st- they're like, "Did you see what Ariana Grande was doing the other day?"

Joe Rogan 45:49 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 45:49 I'm like, "This is when they're out of shit." (laughs) They got nothing to talk about. They're just bla- they're empty at some point.

Joe Rogan 45:55 Well, it's l- then you have guys like ... These shows are opinion shows-

Andrew Santino 46:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:00 ... as much as they are news shows.

Andrew Santino 46:01 They're mostly opinion shows.

Joe Rogan 46:03 Yeah. I mean-

Andrew Santino 46:03 Yeah, news is a-

Joe Rogan 46:04 ... a big part of it is opinion.

Andrew Santino 46:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:06 It's just such a weird time, man. You know, what's really interesting to me too is like if a liberal goes on Fox News, they get a ton of shit.

Andrew Santino 46:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:14 Like any of the presidential candidates that have been on Fox News, like, I think Yang, I know Bernie's been on Fox News, and I think Tulsi's definitely been on Fox News as well.

Andrew Santino 46:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:24 And people just get real mad at them.

Andrew Santino 46:26 Yeah, because it's ju- y- there's this thing-

Joe Rogan 46:28 "What are you doing over there?"

Andrew Santino 46:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:30 "Talking to those propagandists."

Andrew Santino 46:32 (laughs) It's like, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 46:33 "Those fascists."

Andrew Santino 46:33 It's like, it's um, it's like the way that people talk about you is really funny when they're like, you know, when they label you as something. And, uh, there's our boy.

Joe Rogan 46:42 What's Joe Biden doing? What happened?

Andrew Santino 46:42 There's our bud.

Joe Rogan 46:43 Oh, Biden was there too. Look at him. See, I just wonder about his skin.

Andrew Santino 46:49 That they're pull- what are they pulling it back with fishing wire to keep it up, up on his head? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:52 It just seems, he seems oddly stiff. You know what I'm saying?

Andrew Santino 46:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Like it seems like everything's pulled. Like there's not a ... I expect a certain amount of laxity in a man's face when he reaches a certain age, particularly around the forehead area. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 47:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:11 I'm just not seeing it. I'm not seeing any movement either, which makes me w- wonder about that.

Andrew Santino 47:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:15 Like I wanna see expressions in your forehead.

Andrew Santino 47:17 My worry is his lack ... He has a very big ... The- his- he lacks the ability to have like a cohesive story.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 47:25 Like he's not good at being like ... Like have you ever seen him talking to the kids by the pool?

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 47:29 It's the weirdest fucking clip.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Talking about his hairy legs?

Andrew Santino 47:31 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 47:32 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 47:32 He's like, uh, to a bunch of little Black kids-

Joe Rogan 47:34 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 47:34 ... he's like, "And the Black kids would come up and they'd see my hair go up and bubbles come up."

Joe Rogan 47:38 "And they'd touch my hairy leg."

Andrew Santino 47:39 (laughs) What the fuck? I just think his brain is, i- he's losing a lot of ... I tweeted something this morning 'cause there was ... Someone put up a video of, uh, (laughs) of models on a runway on a catwalk and they're all tripping and falling at the same spot, these dumb shoes they're wearing. (laughs) And I was like, "This is Biden's brain cells." It's like they think they're on the right path-

Joe Rogan 47:57 Boom.

Andrew Santino 47:57 ... until they get to a spot (laughs) and then they just can't fucking-

Joe Rogan 47:59 Did you see the thing that he was talking about God creating women or-

Andrew Santino 48:03 No.

Joe Rogan 48:03 ... and, and, and then-

Andrew Santino 48:04 He called his wife his sister or some shit.

Joe Rogan 48:06 They were created by, you know, the ... You know. I forget what it was. I ever- I forget what the gaffe was. But it was one of those where you listen to him and you're like, "What? You're ... What are you saying?" Like it's, it's like he has no brakes.

Andrew Santino 48:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Like his car is go- going down the hills like, "Ah, jeez, I hit a fucking tree." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 48:21 He's like, "Hit the wall. Fuck it."

Joe Rogan 48:21 There it is, "Can't remember the word creator. Revert- refers to God as the thing." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 48:28 Hey, actually, I like that more. That's funny.

Joe Rogan 48:30 No. You know what I think? I have a different take on it.

Andrew Santino 48:31 That thing...

Joe Rogan 48:31 Let's play it 'cause I want, I wanna... I have a different take on it.

Andrew Santino 48:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:34 'Cause when I listened to it, I said, "Oh, I know what he's doing." He-

Andrew Santino 48:36 Which one do you think it is? His first or second one?

Joe Rogan 48:37 No, the bottom one. The second one.

Andrew Santino 48:38 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:38 He doesn't want to... Here, let's play it.

Narrator 48:40 We hold all these truths to be self-evident. All men and women are created by... go... you know the s-... you know the thing.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Stop. Pause.

Andrew Santino 48:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:48 You can't be president.

Andrew Santino 48:49 (laughs) Why?

Joe Rogan 48:49 Stop. Pause.

Andrew Santino 48:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:51 Pause. Listen, we can't play any games here, folks. This is a really old man who can't talk.

Andrew Santino 48:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:58 Like, this is not a joke. Like, that right now...

Andrew Santino 49:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:00 "... you know the thing." Play that again. Play that again. This should get you into a mental hospital.

Andrew Santino 49:04 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:05 They should be like, "Hey, um, Joe, are you all right?"

Narrator 49:09 We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women are created by... go... you know the s-... you know the thing.

Joe Rogan 49:15 He had three strokes while he was saying that.

Andrew Santino 49:17 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 49:17 The first one, what was that word? Self-evident, is that what he said?

Andrew Santino 49:21 "We hold these truths to be self-evident." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:23 But it didn't even sound right. H- we'll hear it again. Listen to it. (laughs)

Narrator 49:27 We hold these truths to be self-evident.

Andrew Santino 49:29 Self-levidant. What was self-evidant?

Joe Rogan 49:31 He's drunk.

Andrew Santino 49:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:32 That dude's either drunk or he can't talk.

Andrew Santino 49:34 "We a- we all just choose you be so levident."

Joe Rogan 49:36 He shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Andrew Santino 49:37 "So levident." And then he says, when he goes... He could have just said, "All men and women are created," and he could've just said, "Equal," and gotten out of there and been like, "Fuck it." And instead he goes-

Joe Rogan 49:46 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 49:46 ... "Th- the c- the thing."

Joe Rogan 49:47 "But you know, by the-"

Andrew Santino 49:47 "We can make-"

Joe Rogan 49:48 See, I think he didn't want to say "the Creator" because there's a lot of people that would-

Andrew Santino 49:51 It's a religious thing.

Joe Rogan 49:52 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 49:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 There's a lot of people that would say, "Well, what are you trying to say?"

Andrew Santino 49:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:55 "Do you believe in evolution or not?"

Andrew Santino 49:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:57 "Are you a science denier, Joe Biden?"

Andrew Santino 49:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:59 "Joe Biden's a science denier."

Andrew Santino 50:01 That's it. But that's part of the problem with all these... A- any... The... My biggest beef with anybody in the Democratic Party when you watch these debates is they all want to say the thing that they really feel, but they're tiptoeing 'cause they're scared out of their fucking minds-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 50:14 ... of someone going, "Uh, did you... Warren just said... See? And she's not... she's anti-trans because she referred to..." You know, they'd... They're waiting for them to fuck up.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Yeah. Well, they're making people behave the way they would like them to behave.

Andrew Santino 50:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:27 They're, they're forcing compliance.

Andrew Santino 50:29 Right. Meanwhile, Trump is just like, "Trans, fags."

Joe Rogan 50:32 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 50:32 "I don't care. Fuck 'em all." (laughs) Like, he doesn't give a shit.

Joe Rogan 50:35 We were trying to find it yesterday. Did you find that thing for Titania McGrath?

Andrew Santino 50:38 God, I l- I love that dude.

Joe Rogan 50:40 He's awesome.

Andrew Santino 50:40 God damn, he... Every day-

Joe Rogan 50:41 He's a really nice guy too.

Andrew Santino 50:42 Yeah. I... The, the interview was great, but he just... His perspective on the chaos is so perfect 'cause he just takes a l- a l- takes a how... a little bit of how dumb they are and just shows everybody, and it says so much. A little dumb tweet says everything you need to know.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 50:57 He tweeted something today that was phenomenal. I was trying to remember what I was looking for 'cause I couldn't find it.

Joe Rogan 51:01 It was a... There was a, a series of, uh... It was a tweet in response to a series of tweets about removing a flag-

Andrew Santino 51:08 Yeah, women aren't-

Joe Rogan 51:09 ... that said, "Woman, a noun, a female human."

Andrew Santino 51:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:12 And then people were saying, "That's a transphobic dog whistle."

Andrew Santino 51:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:15 "You should remove that immediately." And then he's like, "That's true. The, the, the... you know, biologic..." I forget the exact-

Andrew Santino 51:20 "Females have never been women."

Joe Rogan 51:22 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 51:22 Or, "Women have never been females," or something like that.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Female humans. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 51:24 Yeah, female humans. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:26 Well, it's like... Did you find it?

Andrew Santino 51:27 It's so great.

Joe Rogan 51:28 It's real recent.

Andrew Santino 51:29 Uh...

Joe Rogan 51:30 Unless he's tweeting all day, every day.

Andrew Santino 51:31 And they took down the flag. There's a lot of tweets. It's r-... Is it... It's a response to a picture. Here, I'll show you what I'm looking at.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Okay, show me what you're looking at.

Andrew Santino 51:37 Um, it-

Joe Rogan 51:38 Where'd it start? Um...

Andrew Santino 51:40 They're sh-

Joe Rogan 51:41 20 hours, keep going.

Andrew Santino 51:42 Oh, this is two days ago, maybe three days ago or something like that.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 51:45 So, you'll see there's a flag in the-

Joe Rogan 51:46 That's it.

Andrew Santino 51:47 That's it right there.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Right there. Bam.

Andrew Santino 51:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:49 See first one? Go to the first one.

Andrew Santino 51:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:51 See that?

Andrew Santino 51:52 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:52 Here it is. Look at this. G- it says, "Hey, Sefton Council, flag you're flying at the moment is a hostile transphobic dog whistle recognized as a symbol and brand of one of Britain's most outspoken and visible trans anti-anti-antagonists." Excuse me. "Antagonists and the leader of a transphobic hate group." Hmm. Okay. That... Well, he might be telling the truth there though. That might be something that, like, really anti-trans people do fly as a flag, even though it is just the definition of a woman. That, that might actually be true.

Andrew Santino 52:27 It could be.

Joe Rogan 52:28 See, the thing is... The, the thing is, like, one thing is what it is. What it is is a fact. But if that's something... If it has, like, some logo on it that represents some anti-trans group. Does it?

Andrew Santino 52:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Can we find out if it does? Because I... We should know because it's either one of two things. Either it's crazy to say that it's transphobic because all, all it is is the biological scientific definition of a woman.

Andrew Santino 52:51 And it's woman empowerment is maybe the initial intention, was to be like, "Women we're... Go women!" But, you know-

Joe Rogan 52:57 Yeah, but-

Andrew Santino 52:57 ... underneath it all, it might be some fucked up-

Joe Rogan 52:58 You can't say, "Go women-"

Andrew Santino 53:00 No.

Joe Rogan 53:00 ... if it's women versus trans women.

Andrew Santino 53:01 You can say-

Joe Rogan 53:02 You can say, "Go women," if it's women versus men.

Andrew Santino 53:03 Right. (laughs) Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 53:04 But you can't say, "Go women," if it's women versus trans women because trans women are women.

Andrew Santino 53:08 You know what I say to women, Joe? I say, "Get back in the kitchen."

Joe Rogan 53:12 You son of a bitch. You probably do say that.

Andrew Santino 53:13 "That's where you belongs."

Joe Rogan 53:15 You do say that.

Andrew Santino 53:15 Yeah, that's what I say. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:17 Fucking terrible. So, find out if that, that flag actually is, uh, the flag from a hate group. Like if... 'Cause if there was a transphobic... Like-

Andrew Santino 53:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:28 ... let's just... Let's imagine, not someone who's like, "Hey, I don't think trans women should fight biological women and not tell them that they used to be a man for 30 years."

Andrew Santino 53:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Which is my position, right?

Andrew Santino 53:38 Same.

Joe Rogan 53:38 This is what c-... what got me called transphobic. That's not really transphobic.

Andrew Santino 53:42 No.

Joe Rogan 53:42 'Cause I really don't care if you're trans. I'm happy for you.

Andrew Santino 53:44 If I, if I-

Joe Rogan 53:45 If it makes you feel better to be a woman or f- better to transition to a man, congratulations. Really. Legitimate.

Andrew Santino 53:50 As an, as an adult. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 But there are groups out there that don't like trans people, like, literally don't like them and think that they're all insane and that they, they all should be committed to mental institutions.

Andrew Santino 54:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:01 And that they should have... that you should never call them by their female name иou should never treat them like they're a woman. Maybe that was the head of that group. That's a different perspective.

Andrew Santino 54:11 But it was a council... He was tweeting at a... It's a government building, which is why I have a hard time believing-

Joe Rogan 54:15 Right.

Andrew Santino 54:15 ... that that's the angle.

Joe Rogan 54:16 That's why I'm like, "W- who put the flag up? Where'd the flag come from?"

Andrew Santino 54:19 It's like Clifton Council. You click on that Clifton Council and see whom they are. Yeah. But that's, I think... But that's the problem is, like, look, I... Like-

Joe Rogan 54:28 There's a difference though, right?

Andrew Santino 54:29 There is. But also, h-... Do you think...Do you think that, that i- i- just blankly, do you think that was the intention of that flag?

Joe Rogan 54:38 I think most likely, if I was gonna fly a flag that said, "Woman, noun, a biological female," I was saying that a biological male is not a woman. That's probably what I was saying.

Andrew Santino 54:49 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Depends on why they're saying it. Are they saying it because these trans women are encroaching on female spaces, like female sports?

Andrew Santino 54:59 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Or are they saying it because they don't think it's morally right for someone to transition to become a woman? I mean, why are they saying it?

Andrew Santino 55:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 That's the question.

Andrew Santino 55:08 Well, what's the, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:08 It's not what it is, 'cause what it is is inarguable. Yes, that's what a woman is.

Andrew Santino 55:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:12 But the question is do you think that a trans woman is the same as a biological woman in terms of, like, th- the s- respect they deserve, and whether or not you should t- treat them, f- in a friendly manner.

Andrew Santino 55:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:25 And whether or not... Or whether you should discriminate them or be allowed to discriminate against them. That's where it gets weird, right?

Andrew Santino 55:30 Yeah, I mean, I think, uh... I hear all this stuff and I, I just, I, I think about that asteroid that's supposed to come and I'm like, "Hurry up."

Joe Rogan 55:37 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 55:37 I don't really give a fuck anymore. I'm just fucking-

Joe Rogan 55:39 Dude, we got through the Black Plague.

Andrew Santino 55:40 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 55:41 You don't think we'll get through trans people?

Andrew Santino 55:43 No, no. I mean-

Joe Rogan 55:44 We'll be fine.

Andrew Santino 55:44 No, I'm saying we don't... W- all this nonsense? I think global warming is gonna be good for us. I think we deserve to get outta here for a little while.

Joe Rogan 55:51 What are you talking about?

Andrew Santino 55:52 I think we need-

Joe Rogan 55:52 Get outta here for a little while?

Andrew Santino 55:52 I think the earth needs to start from scratch. I think we need to get fucked off this planet and the earth needs to start again without us. I think we're getting too, we're getting too heavy.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Well, someone sounds like a quitter.

Andrew Santino 56:02 Yeah, I'm out. Hey, hey, I'm done.

Joe Rogan 56:04 You sound like a quitter.

Andrew Santino 56:05 I'm done. (laughs) I'm done.

Joe Rogan 56:07 The, the real problem is people trying to get people to comply with their perspective and not recognizing other people's perspectives, and then being, like, m- militant about supporting their side.

Andrew Santino 56:17 Yeah, but like, l- look. A f-... An educated person is cool with almost everyone doing what they want and what they please, right? So what we're really doing is saying-

Joe Rogan 56:26 For the most part.

Andrew Santino 56:27 Most educated people would go, "Do you care about trans?" I'd go, "I hope they're fucking happy." I don't care, I don't care what anybody wants to do as long as it makes them happy and that's a part of their life that they choose to do, that no one's forced them to do, then I hope that they're happy. I, why would I g- why would I care? I think only, only uneducated people have a tough time accepting somebody else's needs or wants to be what s- society doesn't deem the norm.

Joe Rogan 56:52 You get more insecure.

Andrew Santino 56:53 Yeah, that, b-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 56:54 'Cause if you're, if you're, if you're fucking educated, you d- you have other things to think about and to worry about.

Joe Rogan 56:58 It's just educated people that are bigots.

Andrew Santino 57:01 Sure, sure, but I do think it's more rare.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 57:04 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:05 I think so too. But I think there's a lot of really kind people that aren't educated. I think really it's just...

Andrew Santino 57:10 Or ignorant, perhaps.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 57:11 Maybe that's the thing. Maybe there's a lot of... Okay, so so let's say this. There's members of my f- you know, family or friends or people that we know, quite educated, who are ignorant towards people, so they've never met a trans person, so they're a little weary of them perhaps. It doesn't mean they hate them.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 57:25 It means they might go, "I don't know, man. I've never fucking seen one." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:28 Well, let's be honest. Before, people felt real comfortable, and it's... They still don't really, but they're more comfortable now, I think, coming out than they ever were before.

Andrew Santino 57:35 Yeah, people should feel comfortable.

Joe Rogan 57:37 There wasn't that many, but, but my point is there wasn't that many of them. Like when we were kids-

Andrew Santino 57:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:41 ... who was... How many trans kids were in your high school?

Andrew Santino 57:42 Zero.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Zero.

Andrew Santino 57:44 Yeah, but also there probably were kids that wanted to be trans. They just-

Joe Rogan 57:46 That's what I'm saying.

Andrew Santino 57:46 ... societally had this weird bar on them that was like, "Mm, no."

Joe Rogan 57:49 But that's what's weird. It's like that bar has been lifted in some ways.

Andrew Santino 57:52 How many more bars are gonna get lifted? That's my whole thing too. What else is next?

Joe Rogan 57:55 Foxkin, people that are... They, they, they think they're animals.

Andrew Santino 57:59 Yeah, but I'm cool with that.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Do you know about all that?

Andrew Santino 58:00 I went to high school with some kids that thought they were animals for sure. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:03 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 58:03 You know there's always like a kid that wears ears and prances through the hallway?

Joe Rogan 58:06 Yeah, furries.

Andrew Santino 58:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:07 There are furries now.

Andrew Santino 58:07 And people are like, "Mikey's funny, man. He just... We gotta let him fly."

Joe Rogan 58:10 If they get together, they have a good time, you know? At those furry conventions.

Andrew Santino 58:13 Right, I've seen them before.

Joe Rogan 58:14 You've seen those. They get together, they're having a good time.

Andrew Santino 58:16 But it always... But that's always sexual. Like it always turns into a-

Joe Rogan 58:18 Of course.

Andrew Santino 58:18 It's never, it's never (laughs) like a, "We just do this 'cause this is how we feel." It's like, "We like the fucking costumes."

Joe Rogan 58:23 People get disgusting.

Andrew Santino 58:23 "That's what it is."

Joe Rogan 58:24 Yeah, and you take a peek as the Woody the Woodpecker doll's about to fuck you. You look at his herpes-ridden dick.

Andrew Santino 58:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:30 Like, "What is going on?"

Andrew Santino 58:31 Is this a personal experience? What happened?

Joe Rogan 58:33 You have to think about it. Oh, there's a person under there. All sweaty with staph infections and shit.

Andrew Santino 58:38 Imagine the perfect job for one of those kids in high school that wanted to be, uh, an animal is a mascot for a sporting team.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 58:43 That's like the most...

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 58:44 They're just in there jerking off in between games. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:46 There's all these guys running around. Everybody's going crazy. Nobody knows who you really are under there. You can dance around.

Andrew Santino 58:52 You get to hide. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Act silly. It's probably hot as fuck in there though.

Andrew Santino 58:55 It's gotta... So we talked about this. I went to a basketball game when I got home the other day and I was like, "I wonder how much they make." I wonder what they, if they, and they... If, if they only do it because it's a free trip to the, to the game. 'Cause there's no way it's a caree- you can't make a lot of money doing it. I can't imagine.

Joe Rogan 59:10 I would imagine you don't make a lot of money.

Andrew Santino 59:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:12 And first of all, you're replaceable. Like-

Andrew Santino 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:14 ... you just put a... that heli... that head on somebody else's body.

Andrew Santino 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:16 And no one's even gonna know. You won't say anything.

Andrew Santino 59:17 We're done with you, Dave. Why? Eh.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Dance around.

Andrew Santino 59:20 You know, it's my... I'm gonna hire my nephew instead.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Whenever there's a mascot, like, like Ronald McDonald, you're like, "Hmm."

Andrew Santino 59:28 Yeah. Why?

Joe Rogan 59:29 This... Yeah, and like I remember there was some McDonald's... Maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly, but didn't they use to have McDonald... where you could meet Ronald McDonald at some McDonald's?

Andrew Santino 59:38 Oh. He used to be... Yeah. It, it... The, the, the figure himself was at charity events a lot or like you could... like the McDonald's-

Joe Rogan 59:44 But isn't the guy dressed up like him? Is that what it was?

Andrew Santino 59:45 Yeah, yeah. But it wouldn't be at... It wouldn't be at the location just on a random day. There was always like... The Ronald McDonald House was a children's sponsorship and they would do like-

Joe Rogan 59:53 Oh, that's right. That's right.

Andrew Santino 59:53 You know they would do a lot of events.

Joe Rogan 59:54 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 59:55 He was out, he was out a little bit more.

Joe Rogan 59:56 But