Joe Rogan Experience #1438 - Andrew Santino

1. 0:00 – 0:50

   Custom-engraved guns and artists who control the design

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming)

   2. ASAndrew Santino0:07

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      You know who else carves guns like that?

   4. ASAndrew Santino0:08

      Who does?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Jesse James. Remember Jesse James, that, that chopper maker dude?

   6. ASAndrew Santino0:11

      The chopper dude, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Yeah. That dude, uh, makes guns now in Texas.

   8. ASAndrew Santino0:16

      That's all he does? He's still making bikes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I think he makes bikes too.

   10. ASAndrew Santino0:19

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       But he makes a lot of guns, like dope guns, like engraved and embossed.

   12. ASAndrew Santino0:22

       And hand carves them? Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       And fancy, fancy guns.

   14. ASAndrew Santino0:25

       That should... Uh, yeah, the dude that we were talking about, he's a, I think he's an LA guy, but he hand does them.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       He's a Mexican gentleman, you were saying?

   16. ASAndrew Santino0:31

       Mexican dude, a Mexican man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       S- carves into the guns?

   18. ASAndrew Santino0:34

       Yeah, he carves, and he does beautiful artwork, all hand-designed. And then people pay him to do his design. They don't sug- they don't say like, "Here's what I want."

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Mm-hmm.

   20. ASAndrew Santino0:41

       The whole deal is you give him the gun, and he just does it. It's not like, "I want this on here." He's like, "No, no, no. You give me the piece. I do the art. I give it back."

2. 0:50 – 3:39

   Bernie, Killer Mike, and the 2020 primary—then a Biden health spiral

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:50

      You know what's interesting about Bernie Sanders? Uh, what is this? Is this the guy with the guns?

   2. ASAndrew Santino0:54

      That's him, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:54

      Let me see what this looks like. I was gonna say what's interesting about Bernie Sanders is, uh, his real close relationship with Killer Mike. Killer Mike is a big pro-Second Amendment man. I mean, he believes in guns. He believes you should be able to protect yourself and protect your family. And-

   4. ASAndrew Santino1:09

      And what? And Bernie's so against it?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:11

      Well, I don't know if Bernie's so against it 'cause he talks to Killer Mike, and they don't scream and yell at each other, you know?

   6. ASAndrew Santino1:18

      "Kil- Killer Mike." (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      "In Vermont, we don't need guns."

   8. ASAndrew Santino1:21

      "I don't think we need guns in the Per- in the Northeast."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:23

      How did he do yesterday? He won Vermont, California, Colorado, Utah, and is that it? And then Biden.

   10. ASAndrew Santino1:29

       Biden's still in the lead, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Is Biden number one now?

   12. NANarrator1:32

       I didn't see the official count. I think, yeah, he's ahead, uh, 435 to 381 as of right now.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       That's pretty good for Biden.

   14. ASAndrew Santino1:40

       "Elizabeth, Elizabeth, let me tell you something."

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       I, I worry about both of them because they're older gentlemen, but I worry about Biden more. He looks like he's...

   16. ASAndrew Santino1:49

       He-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Like, it's almost like his skin is thin. Do you know what I'm saying?

   18. ASAndrew Santino1:51

       Well, I think his, his brain seems to be skipping. Do you know what I mean?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Yes.

   20. ASAndrew Santino1:54

       It's almost like, like an old-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       Yes.

   22. ASAndrew Santino1:55

       ... scratched DVD.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Well, you gotta realize, he's fucking tired. Dude-

   24. ASAndrew Santino1:59

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       ... just forget about just being old. Doing the pace that he's doing-

   26. ASAndrew Santino2:03

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       ... is fucking crazy. He's gotta get on that Trump speed.

   28. ASAndrew Santino2:06

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       That Trump speed.

   30. ASAndrew Santino2:07

       Whatever the fuck he's on.
3. 3:39 – 7:17

   Iran-Contra clip: weaponized legalese and ‘verbal warfare’ in hearings

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:39

      Well, but Reagan is a big one though because Reagan became like this hero afterwards. But during the whole Iran-Contra thing when he was going on television, say he doesn't remember... Do you know who Jimmy Tingle is?

   2. ASAndrew Santino3:50

      Uh-uh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      Great standup comic from Boston, but he had a joke. I remember I, I was at an open mic, or this was back in the '80s. When Reagan, uh, was b- brought in front of whoever. Was it Congress that he had talked about, uh, selling guns to Iran? Uh, when, uh, he, he did it, he would say, "I, I don't remember." That's what Reagan was saying. And he might not have re- because he really did have Alzheimer's, remember?

   4. ASAndrew Santino4:11

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      Uh, so Jimmy Tingle goes, "Mr. President, just here's a little tip. If you ever sell guns to someone who hates us, jot it down."

   6. ASAndrew Santino4:24

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      (laughs) He goes, "Make a little note."

   8. ASAndrew Santino4:27

      Write, write it down.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      "Make a little note."

   10. ASAndrew Santino4:28

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       "Put it on the refrigerator." (laughs)

   12. ASAndrew Santino4:31

       And he got love. Is, is it-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       And it's such a simple joke.

   14. NANarrator4:32

       I got a clip of it, yeah. Yeah, let's hear it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator4:34

       Let me hear it.

   17. NANarrator4:36

       I have no recollection of, uh, doing so.

   18. NANarrator4:39

       Okay.

   19. NANarrator4:40

       But that could be my memory. I, I don't remember.

   20. NANarrator4:43

       Well, as you sit here now, do you have any recollection of approving for John Poindexter to send these specific letters to Congress?

   21. NANarrator4:50

       Well, again, it's a case of memory. I, I don't recall whether he did or not.

   22. NANarrator4:55

       Okay. And my question to you is, would you have approved the sending of these letters to Congress by John Poindexter if you knew that they adopted false information that had been previously supplied...

   23. ASAndrew Santino5:09

       (laughs)

   24. NANarrator5:09

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       That's crazy.

   26. ASAndrew Santino5:10

       That's a problem too. There's so much rhetoric involved.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Yeah.

   28. ASAndrew Santino5:12

       I don't even know what that question was. He, he-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       That's a good peg for it.

   30. ASAndrew Santino5:14

       ... they, they pile on all these things, and then you go, "I don't know. I have no idea what you're saying. What are you asking me?"
4. 7:17 – 9:27

   From CIA crack allegations to Big Pharma: tracing systemic corruption

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:17

      I mean, all that stuff really did happen. Like-

   2. ASAndrew Santino7:19

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:19

      ... that's not a, a conspiracy theory anymore.

   4. ASAndrew Santino7:22

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:22

      The CIA or whoever was working for the CIA sold drugs in the inner cities, was bro- brought in through Freeway Ricky who was the original Rick Ross.

   6. ASAndrew Santino7:31

      The real Rick Ross, right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:32

      The real Rick Ross. Didn't even know what he was doing while he was doing it and then after it was over, uh, like these guys didn't figure it out until like long past-

   8. ASAndrew Santino7:41

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:41

      ... that they were working with the government. Like Rick Ross had no idea.

   10. ASAndrew Santino7:44

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       Had no idea. He just thought it was awesome at selling coke.

   12. ASAndrew Santino7:46

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       He didn't know he was like completely protected.

   14. ASAndrew Santino7:49

       Yeah. But he, but that, but that's kinda...

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       Yeah.

   16. ASAndrew Santino7:50

       Did you watch, uh, The Pharmacist? Did you watch that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       I wouldn't say completely protected, but I should say that he was, he was in bed with the, uh, government.

   18. ASAndrew Santino7:56

       Right. Do you watch them? The Pharmacist? Do you watch that?

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       No. What is that?

   20. ASAndrew Santino7:58

       That's all about the, the distribution of OxyContin on, specifically like, uh, the, what it's done to kind of the East Coast. This kinda started in New Orleans, the documentary's all about it, but up there how it got really bad. This pharmacist basically, his son, I don't wanna give it away, but his son tragically died and he started to investigate like why all this stuff is kind of happening in New Orleans and it, the epi- epicenter was this Purdue Pharm- Pharma that made OxyContin, the biggest distributor of OxyContin in the United States.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Mmm.

   22. ASAndrew Santino8:28

       And the whole documentary kind of shows you how it was just, they, they weren't orchestrating this thing to try to solve people's pain. All the documents and emails are just like, these are big hitter areas. Meaning like sell, sell, sell. So all these sales reps were going out pushing, you know, like they're fucking, like they're trying to sell cars. I mean they were selling them like candy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       Yeah.

   24. ASAndrew Santino8:49

       It was crazy. I mean, the government was totally, totally okay with it. I mean, the F- FDA didn't have anything against it for a long time. They were like, "Oh, they're solving pain."

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       Just the money involved.

   26. ASAndrew Santino8:56

       So much money.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       The money involved is staggering.

   28. ASAndrew Santino8:57

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       It's hard for us to even understand how much money is coming in from pills. Just from pills. And here's the thing about prescribing them, this is, let's be honest. Everyone's in pain.

   30. ASAndrew Santino9:06

       Yeah.
5. 9:27 – 12:44

   Pill mills and pain clinics: the math of 70–80 prescriptions a day

   1. ASAndrew Santino9:27

      Well, and then what happens is these, these doctors, this woman, Jacqueline Claggett, that's who the documentary focuses on, she's running a, a pill mill, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:34

      Yeah.

   3. ASAndrew Santino9:34

      So like, she's writing 70, 80 prescriptions a day and you get all these doctors on there that are like, "That's impossible."

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      (laughs)

   5. ASAndrew Santino9:40

      You, to see 70 people is not, you couldn't do it even if you were fucking... (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:44

      How could you see 70 people in a day?

   7. ASAndrew Santino9:46

      It's impossible.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:46

      It's, that bitch is flagrant.

   9. ASAndrew Santino9:48

      So she was making unbelievable money.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       Just bro, stop and let's break this down by the minute.

   11. ASAndrew Santino9:52

       Yeah. 70 a day.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       There's eight hours in a day.

   13. ASAndrew Santino9:56

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       So let's, let's, she said 70-80, let's get crazy and say it's 80.

   15. ASAndrew Santino9:59

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       So there's eight hours in the day so she's seeing 10 people in an hour?

   17. ASAndrew Santino10:03

       In an hour, yeah. 10 people an hour.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       Each hour?

   19. ASAndrew Santino10:05

       Yeah, that's, that's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       Not counting lunch.

   21. ASAndrew Santino10:06

       (laughs) No coffee breaks. There is no lunch, no.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       If you have to shit, hold it in.

   23. ASAndrew Santino10:10

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       We're here to make money, baby. (laughs)

   25. ASAndrew Santino10:13

       (laughs) No bathroom breaks, let's go!

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       (gasps)

   27. ASAndrew Santino10:15

       Well, she was operating at night, that was the whole thing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:17

       Oh, my God. At night.

   29. ASAndrew Santino10:17

       And this whole investigation was about she would have a, uh, a New Orleans cop in her lobby to make sure that nobody was trying to, you know, trying to bust her.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Strong arm her or, you know...
6. 12:44 – 15:21

   Why opioids feel like ‘a warm hug’: personal reactions to painkillers

   1. ASAndrew Santino12:44

      Have you ever taken anything?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      No, not that stuff. I did a morphine drip once, though, when I was, uh, in the hospital for my knee, uh-

   3. ASAndrew Santino12:51

      That's heavy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:52

      ... reconstruction in, like, '93. And, uh, dude, it was awesome. I was laying there-

   5. ASAndrew Santino12:57

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:57

      ... I was hitting that button, bang, bang. And I was on a continual motion machine. I had a patella tendon graft, which means they'd cut a piece out of your bone of your kneecap and a piece of bone out of your shin and connect it to a strip of your patella tendon. Then they open you up like a fish and they screw this in on one bone and screw that in another bone and they reconstruct you a new ACL. It's awesome.

   7. ASAndrew Santino13:17

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:17

      It works great today. To this day, I throw kicks with it, I run with it no problem.

   9. ASAndrew Santino13:20

      And you were floating on the clouds.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       Oh, my God. So I'm on this machine that keeps your leg moving after so it doesn't stiffen up, right?

   11. ASAndrew Santino13:26

       So the blood doesn't clot and stuff, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       So it's... This machine's moving like this and this fucking drip, I'm hitting this drip hard, ba-bang, ba-ba-bang, ba-bang. It's like a warm hug. Like, when I was lying there, I was like, "I get it." The only time I've experienced that, uh, very similar was when the old NyQuil wa- was available, the real codeine-filled NyQuil.

   13. ASAndrew Santino13:47

       Yeah, when it fucked you up.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       Woo! And, uh, I had-

   15. ASAndrew Santino13:49

       I'd be high the next morning.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       I was so high. I was lying in my bed, I felt so good. I felt so loved.

   17. ASAndrew Santino13:55

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       I felt like the, like the, just-

   19. ASAndrew Santino13:58

       (laughs) Loved.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:58

       I, I felt so much better. It's like before the drugs, I was miserable. I had the flu, I felt like shit.

   21. ASAndrew Santino14:03

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       But then as soon as I took that stuff, I was like, "I feel loved." I feel like I- I'm just, like, f- floating in softness and like, ah. I get it.

   23. ASAndrew Santino14:12

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       I get why people need that. I-

   25. ASAndrew Santino14:13

       I'm the opposite, man. I fucking... I t- I tore ligaments in my leg and I took... They gave me Vicodin and, uh, it had an adverse effect. It was so bad I had to go back to the doctor and I was like, "It's giving me crazy anxiety." I couldn't sleep and I ate-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       Mm-hmm.

   27. ASAndrew Santino14:24

       ... and I was eating a few of them to try to kill the pain. The pain would get worse and the guy was like, "Maybe you... Maybe Vicodin and you don't mix."

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Yeah.

   29. ASAndrew Santino14:30

       But it fu-... And it made my... It made me angry, I was going through these re- like, really, like night tremor spells and shit. I was like, "This stuff is..." I couldn't do... I never touched it again. I mean, I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       Some people love that stuff.
7. 15:21 – 18:22

   Redhead genetics, pain tolerance, and why it’s ‘okay’ to roast gingers

   1. ASAndrew Santino15:21

      You could look it up though. There's a thing about redheads. Redheads have a gene-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      Yeah.

   3. ASAndrew Santino15:24

      ... where they have high pain tolerances and high tolerances to me- to certain medicines.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Yes.

   5. ASAndrew Santino15:28

      And so, every time I've ever taken stuff, nothing really works for me the way that it's supposed to. You know what I mean? Like, people, people say all the time, like, "Oh, what do you... Just pop a couple Advil." Advil has never done anything for me in my whole life.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:39

      Mm-hmm.

   7. ASAndrew Santino15:39

      If I could take three or four, it doesn't fucking mean... You know when they give you those, um, you know, if you go to a doctor if, if you've got some kind of thing like s- headache or whatever and they give you those super Advils, you know, that like, uh, triple the dose or whatever?

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:49

      Mm-hmm.

   9. ASAndrew Santino15:49

      I take those things and they're nothing, so I end up throwing them away.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Why is it okay to discriminate against redheads? It's one of the last fun things to discriminate against people that w- would still actually hurts their feelings.

   11. ASAndrew Santino15:59

       Because, um, we're still white. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       (laughs)

   13. ASAndrew Santino16:06

       We still are wi- underneath it all.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Deal with it.

   15. ASAndrew Santino16:08

       They're like, "He still has advantages."

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Deal with it.

   17. ASAndrew Santino16:10

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Um-

   19. ASAndrew Santino16:11

       It's actually, it's actually when I see, like, a redheaded Black guy, I'm like, "Oh, man."

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Poor fella.

   21. ASAndrew Santino16:15

       "Double down. Jesus Christ."

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       I have seen, um, redheaded people that are really good at taking punishment.

   23. ASAndrew Santino16:21

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       And I've always wondered... Like, I've read things about redheads having a higher tolerance for pain too.

   25. ASAndrew Santino16:26

       Yeah, they do. What was that, that article he brought up-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Yeah.

   27. ASAndrew Santino16:28

       ... th- this show about... It's like, it's something, it's something in... I don't know what th- there's... I, I w- I'm gonna misquote it, but yeah, the M, M, that's where-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       The MC1R gene belongs to a family of receptors that include pain receptors in the brain. As a result, a mutation in the gene allows... Appears, rather, to influence the body's sensitivity to pain. That makes sense. There's so many Irish dudes who can take a insane beating.

   29. ASAndrew Santino16:47

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       You know what I mean?
8. 18:22 – 22:15

   Pretty privilege, ‘handsome dummies,’ and the DiCaprio/Hasselhoff tangent

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:22

      Like, imagine making fun of a handsome white man with blonde hair. Would you?

   2. ASAndrew Santino18:28

      H- w- I... A Hitler's dream? Yeah, probably a Hitler's dream.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:31

      A Hitler's dream.

   4. ASAndrew Santino18:31

      Yeah, a Hitler's come, come sh-

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:32

      You can make fun of him that way.

   6. ASAndrew Santino18:33

      Mm-hmm. Yeah. But otherwise-

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:34

      "This Nazi motherfucker." Like, you could easily, and no one would feel bad.

   8. ASAndrew Santino18:38

      Mm-mm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:39

      Because it's perceived that they have all the advantages.

   10. ASAndrew Santino18:41

       Yeah. Even though, like, what if they're, you know... They could... They're, they're homeless and they're, you know, they've never-

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:46

       How about they're, how about they're dumb? That's the biggest disadvantage a person ever has.

   12. ASAndrew Santino18:49

       Right. Yeah, if they're stupid. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       Because their brain doesn't work. How many really handsome dummies do you know?

   14. ASAndrew Santino18:52

       I mean, most.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:53

       Bro, I know a couple guys that are dreamboats, but they're dumb as a rock.

   16. ASAndrew Santino18:57

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       They're so handsome. They have just beautiful faces and perfect cheeks, and they just look great. If I was a girl, I'd be so excited.

   18. ASAndrew Santino19:02

       N- he's not talking about you, Jamie. Stop, stop. He- Jamie raised his hand.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       If I was a girl, I'd be so excited to meet those guys. But part of me says those poor bastards are at a disadvantage. Because everything's so easy.

   20. ASAndrew Santino19:13

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       Right? They're big, giant, handsome people. Like, if you see a six-foot-tall perfect man, like, do you know what kind of pussy David Hasselhoff must have been getting in the '80s?

   22. ASAndrew Santino19:22

       (laughs) Insane.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       Are you kidding me?

   24. ASAndrew Santino19:23

       Insane.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Can you imagine the kind of girl... The girls were catapulting themself in his direction.

   26. ASAndrew Santino19:28

       (laughs) Spread leg.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       It didn't matter if he was smart or not. He was beautiful.

   28. ASAndrew Santino19:31

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:32

       You know? And he was really tall and classically handsome. You know? That's a giant advantage. And if you, you have that giant advantage and you don't have to work hard to meet women... Look at him. Jesus Christ, what a dreamboat.

   30. ASAndrew Santino19:43

       (laughs) Yeah, he's a baby.
9. 22:15 – 31:16

   Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Joe’s defense of Bruce Lee’s legacy

   1. ASAndrew Santino22:15

      Yeah, did you like Once Upon a Time, or no?

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:17

      Loved it.

   3. ASAndrew Santino22:17

      You did?

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:18

      Loved it.

   5. ASAndrew Santino22:18

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:18

      Except the Bruce Lee scene. But that's... I'm a Bruce Lee fan. I'm a dork.

   7. ASAndrew Santino22:22

      Real disrespectful to Bruce Lee. It was really-

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:23

      Yeah. He just didn't make sense. Because, uh, even though Bruce Lee was very confident, he, he, d- deemed that he was arrogant. That's what Qu- Quentin was saying. And there's n- you know. I don't think he's... I just don't think he was a Bruce Lee fan.

   9. ASAndrew Santino22:36

      Has any athlete at that caliber not been arrogant?

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       Well, he's...

   11. ASAndrew Santino22:40

       Can you name me someone that good and that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       See, that's... This is where things are sw- sw- swirly, right? Because Bruce Lee wasn't, like, a professional athlete per se. He was an actor. But he was also one of the most important m- martial arts pioneers ever.

   13. ASAndrew Santino22:55

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:55

       Because he was, like, a true dyed-in-the-wool innovator. And if you look at his skills, like when he did The Green Hornet and Game of Death and all... Chinese Connection, just his kicking and striking skills, off-the-charts technique. Beautiful technique. And for the time, very few people had technique like him though.

   15. ASAndrew Santino23:13

       Hm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       Like, in, in the later years, people's technique improved. They got ch-... They, they... People had a chance to see more styles in video and see more of what's possible. But if you go back and watch even, like, legends like Jim Kelly and, like, some of those other... Like, Joe Lewis, who was a heavyweight kickboxing champion, not the boxer.

   17. ASAndrew Santino23:31

       Yeah, I was just gonna say.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       You'll see those guys playing in movies and th- their technique was not as good.... is Bruce Lee's.

   19. ASAndrew Santino23:36

       Why was his so sharp?

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       He just was a genius. He's a genius martial artist. He understood more about martial arts than anybody b- of his era because he understood that everyone was being imprisoned by ideology. Like, if you were a judo guy, you had to stick with judo.

   21. ASAndrew Santino23:52

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       You couldn't learn Muay Thai. If you learned Muay Thai, you would be disrespectful to your master, disrespectful to your style.

   23. ASAndrew Santino23:59

       Mm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       And people get mad at you. When I was training in TaeKwonDo and then I started kickboxing, my, my instructor did not like it. They did not like... One of my instructors, in particular, did not like it, didn't think I needed to do it, didn't... Th- thought I could get everything that I needed at there. But I knew that wasn't true-

   25. ASAndrew Santino24:12

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:13

       ... 'cause I was going to gyms and getting boxed up and I was like, "Okay, I'm getting my bell rung. Like, I need to learn how to use my fucking hands better." And I started going to boxing gyms and these... There was very... Like, you couldn't do that. You weren't supposed to do that. Like, they were a little bit lenient with me because they knew I was a lawyer and I was an instructor. I was trying to learn things.

   27. ASAndrew Santino24:31

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       But when you go to a Kung Fu school, if you thought you could go to a karate school, they would fucking beat you. Like, the people would really kick your ass if they thought you were leaving to go train with a karate school.

   29. ASAndrew Santino24:40

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       It was real weird. So back in the day, Bruce Lee was the only guy. He was training in Wing Chun and, uh, qui- quite a few other martial arts he studied, but then he started studying Western boxing, he started studying wrestling, he started studying judo and, you know, he did some grappling training with Gene LeBell, who is supposed to kind of represent the Brad Pitt character because the Brad... But in a different way. The Brad Pitt character is this ultimate badass stunt guy-
10. 31:16 – 40:12

    Competing vs. commenting: Rogan’s fight record and learning boxing the hard way

    1. ASAndrew Santino31:16

       I guess that's part of it. But I mean like, can you not compete and still be at the top of a thing? I mean, is that possible?

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       I don't know, man. You know, that's the one thing, um, that if I was gonna make an argument against me as a commentator for the MMA, uh, for MMA... I've never-

    3. ASAndrew Santino31:31

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       ... fought in MMA. Like it's kind of hilarious that I'm a commentator for MMA.

    5. ASAndrew Santino31:34

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       Even though I'm a fan of it and I m- know mostly what I'm talking about. You know, I have a... (laughs)

    7. ASAndrew Santino31:41

       (laughs) I imagine that's on the contract.

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       It's true.

    9. ASAndrew Santino31:42

       You must know most of what you're talking about.

    10. JRJoe Rogan31:43

        I does, but I know mostly what I'm talking about.

    11. ASAndrew Santino31:45

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:45

        When it comes to wrestling, like I really, it's really interesting w- to work with guys like Dominick Cruz or work with Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier in particular was like one of the best wrestlers to ever compete in MMA.

    13. ASAndrew Santino31:54

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan31:54

        I mean, he's an ama- and he's a, an active wrestling coach. And Dominick does a lot of coaching too, and a lot of MMA coaching too. But both guys are so good at breaking down the technical aspects of it. It makes you realize how little you really know-

    15. ASAndrew Santino32:05

        Hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:06

        ... about certain specialties, you know?

    17. ASAndrew Santino32:08

        But are they good at what you... Th- the, the difference is, are they good at also articulating emotion and public, the public a viewpoint? That's-

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:15

        Well-

    19. ASAndrew Santino32:15

        ... that's the difference.

    20. JRJoe Rogan32:16

        ... I can give expert analysis of ground fighting.

    21. ASAndrew Santino32:19

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan32:20

        Of ground fighting, I can give expert. Like j- just, you know, not to blow my horn, but I know what's going on. Like the way a lot of people know what's going on, um, with, uh, boxing, I can tell you what's going on with chokes and when, when someone's-

    23. ASAndrew Santino32:33

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan32:33

        ... in trouble, when someone's not. And I can see it because I've been strangled a million times. So I-

    25. ASAndrew Santino32:37

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan32:37

        ... I could see- (laughs) ... I could see where he's in trouble.

    27. ASAndrew Santino32:39

        I know what that is.

    28. JRJoe Rogan32:40

        I'm like, "This guy's in trouble." Like and some people can't see that. Um, but most MMA fighters at a certain point in time, they know most basic shit in terms of positions and when things are dangerous. It's-

    29. ASAndrew Santino32:51

        Sure.

    30. JRJoe Rogan32:51

        ... but once stuff gets exotic, like weird rubber guard transitions or, or, or, uh, strange chokes, like people invent new chokes all the time. There's always like something new that you haven't seen before. Like, "How the fuck did he do that?" And then you have to go back and watch it again.
11. 40:12 – 46:42

    Athletes, coaches, and identity after retirement—plus Fox News and outrage media

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:12

       Yeah. But you know what makes me sad? When fighters become coaches and then get fat.

    2. ASAndrew Santino40:17

       Well, they all get fat, dude. (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:18

       A lot of them get fat. Not all of 'em, but a lot of them get fat.

    4. ASAndrew Santino40:21

       (laughs) A lot of 'em, dude.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:21

       I don't wanna call anybody out.

    6. ASAndrew Santino40:22

       Do it.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:22

       There's a bunch, there's a bunch in boxing, there's a bunch in MMA. And then you see 'em and you're like, "Damn, dude, what's going on? You ain't training?"

    8. ASAndrew Santino40:29

       "No, I'm eating." (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       Well, when they're done fighting, man, they're just done. They're just done. It's like-

    10. ASAndrew Santino40:34

        Well, because a lot of these athletes, they spend their f- the every waking moment, like, not-

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:39

        Yeah.

    12. ASAndrew Santino40:39

        ... doing the fucked up thing that, that we all get to do. And so then when they get a break, I think at some point they're like, "Fuck it, dude."

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:45

        But that was one of the reasons why it's so impressive that a guy like Georges St-Pierre takes four years off and comes back better than ever, because he never stopped training.

    14. ASAndrew Santino40:54

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        Like, he really never stopped training, 'cause he's a martial artist.

    16. ASAndrew Santino40:57

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:57

        He's not just a fighter. He fights professionally and he's a world champion, but he's also a martial artist. That's what he is. So he's always training, and he trains because he enjoys it. So, like, when I see a guy like him that takes years off and you see him, he looks like a fucking Greek god. He's sculpted.

    18. ASAndrew Santino41:14

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        You know, he looks perfect. Doesn't look like he's taking a day out o- off out of the gym.

    20. ASAndrew Santino41:17

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:17

        He looks as good, if not better than he did when he was the welterweight champion of the world. He looks amazing. But he doesn't gain any weight.

    22. ASAndrew Santino41:22

        Is it more fun... Isn't it more fun though to see a guy like-

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:25

        Get fat as fuck?

    24. ASAndrew Santino41:26

        Yeah. Like the Fur- like the Fury fight. Like, what a story to tell for a guy to get fat and then thin again.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:30

        (laughs) Yeah, but that's different. He's still a fighter.

    26. ASAndrew Santino41:33

        Sure.

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:33

        He had a, just a depressed moment in his life. But we're talking about guys who become trainers after fighting-

    28. ASAndrew Santino41:38

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:38

        ... and they get fat. That makes me sad because I think they're sad.

    30. ASAndrew Santino41:41

        Well, yeah. They're also missing out on the thing that they used to get to do. I mean-
12. 46:42 – 1:38:56

    Biden gaffes, speech clips, and the fear of saying the ‘wrong’ thing

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       What's Joe Biden doing? What happened?

    2. ASAndrew Santino46:42

       There's our bud.

    3. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Oh, Biden was there too. Look at him. See, I just wonder about his skin.

    4. ASAndrew Santino46:49

       That they're pull- what are they pulling it back with fishing wire to keep it up, up on his head? (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       It just seems, he seems oddly stiff. You know what I'm saying?

    6. ASAndrew Santino46:58

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Like it seems like everything's pulled. Like there's not a ... I expect a certain amount of laxity in a man's face when he reaches a certain age, particularly around the forehead area. (laughs)

    8. ASAndrew Santino47:11

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       I'm just not seeing it. I'm not seeing any movement either, which makes me w- wonder about that.

    10. ASAndrew Santino47:15

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:15

        Like I wanna see expressions in your forehead.

    12. ASAndrew Santino47:17

        My worry is his lack ... He has a very big ... The- his- he lacks the ability to have like a cohesive story.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:25

        Yeah.

    14. ASAndrew Santino47:25

        Like he's not good at being like ... Like have you ever seen him talking to the kids by the pool?

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        Yeah.

    16. ASAndrew Santino47:29

        It's the weirdest fucking clip.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:30

        Talking about his hairy legs?

    18. ASAndrew Santino47:31

        What the fuck?

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        Yeah.

    20. ASAndrew Santino47:32

        He's like, uh, to a bunch of little Black kids-

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:34

        Yeah.

    22. ASAndrew Santino47:34

        ... he's like, "And the Black kids would come up and they'd see my hair go up and bubbles come up."

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:38

        "And they'd touch my hairy leg."

    24. ASAndrew Santino47:39

        (laughs) What the fuck? I just think his brain is, i- he's losing a lot of ... I tweeted something this morning 'cause there was ... Someone put up a video of, uh, (laughs) of models on a runway on a catwalk and they're all tripping and falling at the same spot, these dumb shoes they're wearing. (laughs) And I was like, "This is Biden's brain cells." It's like they think they're on the right path-

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        Boom.

    26. ASAndrew Santino47:57

        ... until they get to a spot (laughs) and then they just can't fucking-

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:59

        Did you see the thing that he was talking about God creating women or-

    28. ASAndrew Santino48:03

        No.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:03

        ... and, and, and then-

    30. ASAndrew Santino48:04

        He called his wife his sister or some shit.

Episode duration: 2:46:34