Joe Rogan Experience #1441 - Hugo Martin

1. 0:00 – 0:50

   Doom Eternal hype: next-level visuals, weapons, and demon-slaying

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... two, one. What's up, dude?

   2. HMHugo Martin0:02

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      How are you?

   4. HMHugo Martin0:03

      Good. How are you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      First of all, the game looks fuck- tell everybody who you are and what you do.

   6. HMHugo Martin0:07

      (smacks lips) Uh, my name is Hugo Martin, and I'm the game director on Doom Eternal.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Oh, no!

   8. HMHugo Martin0:11

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      They're dragging us back in. Let me tell you something, folks. We, h- he, Hugo just played some of Doom Eternal. He showed us the game and show, and, and ran through the, some of the first level. Holy fuck. Goddamn, it's so next level. It's so next level, graphics, it's so next-

   10. HMHugo Martin0:27

       It's cool.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... everything about it, like the weapons, the demons, the, the way you kill them. It's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life.

   12. HMHugo Martin0:35

       It's awesome.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       It's so ridiculous.

   14. HMHugo Martin0:36

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       But it's like, seems like it's okay, because it's violence against demons.

   16. HMHugo Martin0:39

       Yeah, totally.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah.

   18. HMHugo Martin0:40

       And, and we, we, we work hard on that. Like, you ne- there's no cursing. Th- I have three kids. There's no cursing. There's no sex. I do want it to be something that my nine-year-old could play.

2. 0:50 – 2:20

   What “Glory Kills” are—and the weird logic of kid-friendly gore

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:50

      Don't you think it's kind of crazy that you can rip people's heads off, you can shove their arm down their throat, you can cut them in half? That's fine, just don't use any of those naughty words, kids. (laughs)

   2. HMHugo Martin1:01

      Yes. Because I was joking with someone the other day. It's like, when I'm with my kids, like, he's not gonna go up to somebody and like glory kill them. But when someone says-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:09

      Explain what a glory kill is 'cause it sounds too much like glory hole-

   4. HMHugo Martin1:11

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:11

      ... and people are gonna get really confused.

   6. HMHugo Martin1:13

      So in the game, when you damage a demon, uh, enough, they will glow, uh, with like a shader on them and that means you can go in to do a, a melee finisher basically, which is like a, a melee attack. And you'll get health from it. And there are these really, really cool animations.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:26

      And melee, we should explain, is like with your own hands.

   8. HMHugo Martin1:29

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:29

      You can rip them apart or cut them in half with a sword or a chainsaw or...

   10. HMHugo Martin1:33

       Yes. And-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       It's so crazy.

   12. HMHugo Martin1:35

       Like, when my kids see that, they're not gonna do that. But when they hear someone use the F word, they're like, "Oh, I could use that in everyday life." And, and that sucks. So-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       That's a very interesting rationalization.

   14. HMHugo Martin1:44

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       I'm not buying it.

   16. HMHugo Martin1:45

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       But, but the game is awesome. (laughs) It would be cool if you had an R-rated mode that you had to like, w- enter in your security number, social security number or something. It'll unlock it. It shows you're over 21.

   18. HMHugo Martin1:55

       (laughs) That would be funny.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       You know?

   20. HMHugo Martin1:57

       That would be awesome. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Or over 18. I feel like over 18. Yeah. And then you just hire your brother. "Dude, get in here. I'll give you five bucks."

   22. HMHugo Martin2:03

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       "Unlock this bitch." (laughs)

   24. HMHugo Martin2:04

       That would be awesome. It, it's cartoonish violence though. You can see it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       Right.

   26. HMHugo Martin2:08

       It, it's very much like a cartoon, you know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Yeah. And again, you're killing monsters. It's like-

   28. HMHugo Martin2:12

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:12

       ... Walking Dead when they spike 'em in the head. You can't do that to a person on TV but you could do it to a zombie.

   30. HMHugo Martin2:16

       And they're demons from hell. You're doing God's work.
3. 2:20 – 3:33

   From classic id Software to modern Doom: cinematic quality and in-game assets

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      When you need something, you have to... Uh, and we should explain that Doom was one of the very first 3D games. It was Castle Wolfenstein, right? That was like the first one with id Software. We've had Carmack in before. He's no longer with-

   2. HMHugo Martin2:32

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      ... id Software. But who is, is Willett still there?

   4. HMHugo Martin2:35

      No, he's not there anymore either.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      Goddamn it.

   6. HMHugo Martin2:37

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:37

      What about Hollingshead?

   8. HMHugo Martin2:38

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      What the fuck, bro? How's it id Software?

   10. HMHugo Martin2:41

       Uh, Marty Stratton.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Change the name. Get a bunch of new people running it.

   12. HMHugo Martin2:44

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       L- listen, whoever's running it, they're doing an amazing job, because that game looks sick and I'm scared. I'm scared I'm gonna get sucked into it.

   14. HMHugo Martin2:52

       It's awesome.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       The game, first of all, the game play and then just the beginning sequence, the in-game, like, whole sequence looks like a f- like a CGI movie.

   16. HMHugo Martin3:02

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       It doesn't look like game play. Like, remember when we used to play games and you used to have that opening scene that was like a video and then it would go to the game-

   18. HMHugo Martin3:11

       Totally.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       ... but the game was crude? This game is exactly like the opening scene, which is so crazy.

   20. HMHugo Martin3:18

       Yeah. No prerendered. That, everything, those are the in-game assets. That's how good they are. The team is like insane. The guys are true artists, craftsmen. You know, like, they just go crazy on the details and when you zoom in with the camera for the cinematics, they completely hold up. The rigging, like it's like a feature film. It's nuts.

4. 3:33 – 7:05

   Watching the trailer: angels, bosses, and pop-culture fight analogies

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      Are you guys still... There, there it is right now. Let's play the, let's play the, the, uh-

   2. NANarrator3:37

      This is the old trailer.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      This is the old trailer?

   4. NANarrator3:39

      Yeah.

   5. HMHugo Martin3:39

      Yeah, this trailer's good.

   6. NANarrator3:40

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:40

      Let's play it for people. (tense music)

   8. NANarrator3:43

      This is humanity's chance to repent. (eerie music) Against all the evil that Hell can conjure.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      And if you're just listening, you got to see this on YouTube.

   10. NANarrator4:02

       ... all the wickedness that mankind can produce.

   11. HMHugo Martin4:02

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       And if you're like, "I'm a grownup. I don't have time for this shit. I have an IRA and a 401 (k) and I have kids."

   13. HMHugo Martin4:07

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       Me too, bitch. Me too. (eerie music)

   15. NANarrator4:12

       Saving your people will not bring you peace. It will only make the burden you carry worse. (gun fires) For millennia, we have survived, made others sacrifice in the name of our prosperity. Who are you, a human, to defy our traditions? (guns fire)

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       Now, if you're just listening, this is just annoying music and noise. But if you're watching, it looks fucking sick.

   17. HMHugo Martin4:54

       Watch this. Oh. And then it, it goes bam, right in the head.

   18. NANarrator4:59

       Quickly. There are those who would seek to stop this.

   19. HMHugo Martin5:04

       Angels.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Oh, there's angels too? Oh, Jesus. Who is he?

   21. HMHugo Martin5:07

       Look at this.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Oh, shit.

   23. HMHugo Martin5:11

       You see that? (intense music)

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       So he's like the boss demon?

   25. NANarrator5:14

       The only thing I fear-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:16

       Whoa.

   27. NANarrator5:17

       ... is you.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Goddamn, this looks good. (eerie music)

   29. HMHugo Martin5:29

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Doom Eternal.
5. 7:05 – 7:49

   Why games are more addictive than movies—and Doom’s “mastery” loop

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:05

      Hmm. Yeah. Well, what you guys have done is, uh, create something that's gonna ruin people's lives.

   2. HMHugo Martin7:11

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      So I hope you're really excited about massive waste of time. I mean, we were talking before the show about video games and the addictive quality of video games. I have a real problem. I, I just can't play them that much.

   4. HMHugo Martin7:22

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      I can dip my toe in every now and then, and then I shake my head and I gotta go running or something 'cause otherwise it'll get the grip on me.

   6. HMHugo Martin7:29

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:29

      Because they're too fun. Like there's no movie that you're gonna watch that gives you the kind of engagement that your video game does.

   8. HMHugo Martin7:34

      Because you're like in the movie.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      Yes. And it looks like a fucking movie now.

   10. HMHugo Martin7:38

       And you see it with The Glory Kills, like you are your own fight choreographer.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Yeah.

   12. HMHugo Martin7:42

       If you're sick of breaking the arm and shoving it in his head, then swing around from behind and cut him in half. You know, like do anything you want. (laughs) It's awesome.

6. 7:49 – 12:11

   Multiplayer explained: Battle Mode (2v1) and Invasion—no classic deathmatch

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:49

      Now as far as multiplayer, because I'm not really into playing games, the game-game. I'm into multiplayer.

   2. HMHugo Martin7:55

      So you, I promise if you play the single player, what is unique about our single player is that it will give you the same buzz that a multiplayer will give you because your opponents this time are the AI. And that opening level, that's white belts. You're, you're messing with like easy dudes. Um, the, later on it will continue to level up. And as you saw, like that guy that comes out with the ax, like again, he is, he is as tough as you are. So, uh, you will get the same feeling from the single player that you do from a multiplayer experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      That's not really possible.

   4. HMHugo Martin8:22

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      See, 'cause what I like is duels. I like, like, like in Quake Champions, I like playing duels. You know, that's what's fun for me. Like one on one, like me and Jamie would get barbecued and we'd come here and we'd play for hours just one on one. You run around the map and collect your rocket launchers and your ammo and armor and shit, and just fuck each other up.

   6. HMHugo Martin8:41

      We have a multiplayer called Battle Mode that is fucking awesome. Like it's really, really good. And then, um-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      Is it like Quake multiplayer? Like same kind of deal?

   8. HMHugo Martin8:50

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:50

      No?

   10. HMHugo Martin8:50

       No, it's, it's different. It's, it's very unique. Uh, the last multiplayer we made was not super well received. It was a really competent, good multiplayer, but it wasn't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       What was that?

   12. HMHugo Martin8:58

       Uh, it was just Doom 2016's multiplayer experience.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       Oh, okay.

   14. HMHugo Martin9:01

       But, um, it really wasn't innovative enough. Like fans wanted to see us like do something new. So we basically took the single player experience, that combat loop that you'll master, and then we, we give you a way to do it with your friends. It's a 2v1, so it'd be, you know, two of you guys versus one guy gets to be the slayer with all the guns.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       Hmm.

   16. HMHugo Martin9:17

       And it's really, really cool. And then there's Invasion. So like you'll play the single player campaign and then, uh, someone can become a demon. Like Jamie could become a demon and then invade you while you're playing and you won't know where he is and he'll just come out and try to fuck with you.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Hmm.

   18. HMHugo Martin9:29

       Like it's really cool.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       But is there any one-on-one multiplayer?

   20. HMHugo Martin9:32

       Invasion's kind of one-on-one, but Battle Mode the closest we be- we come to the one-on-one is 2v1.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       Oh, okay. That's weird. Why decide two verses one instead of one versus one?

   22. HMHugo Martin9:42

       It's just unique, you know? It's, it's, uh, the balance there. No one demon can stand against the slayer. You know, the Doom guy is all powerful. He's got all these, you know, he's right here.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       There he is.

   24. HMHugo Martin9:52

       He's, he's got all the guns and the mods and he's got eight guns.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       Why are his biceps exposed? It seems like a vulnerability.

   26. HMHugo Martin9:58

       Because it's like a kind of a con-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       He's a badass?

   28. HMHugo Martin10:00

       (laughs) Pretty much. He's, he's-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       But if someone comes along and cuts his fucking arm off, it seems like that's a good spot to hit.

   30. HMHugo Martin10:05

       His arms are like trees. So like they're, they're-
7. 12:11 – 13:23

   Four years to ship: launch nerves collide with early COVID-era disruptions

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      Now I don't think most people understand the incredible amount of work that's involved in creating one of these things.

   2. HMHugo Martin12:17

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      When did you guys start on this?

   4. HMHugo Martin12:19

      About four years ago.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:21

      So, it's been four years of steady work to make something like this happen.

   6. HMHugo Martin12:25

      And in nine days, we're gonna, like give it to the world.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      Release it.

   8. HMHugo Martin12:29

      Yes. I'm like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:30

      Give birth.

   10. HMHugo Martin12:30

       ... I'm, I'm shaking. I'm shak-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:32

       Are you?

   12. HMHugo Martin12:32

       Oh, my God. I'm so nervous.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       They just canceled E3.

   14. HMHugo Martin12:34

       Yes. Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       Everyone's scared of the goddamn coronavirus.

   16. HMHugo Martin12:38

       I know. My wife, uh, says I'm gonna be in quarantine at the house for two weeks when I come home.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       Because you come here.

   18. HMHugo Martin12:43

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       I don't think it needs to be two weeks. I think it's four days is you start showing ...

   20. HMHugo Martin12:46

       (sneezes)

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Lookit, you're sniffling already.

   22. HMHugo Martin12:47

       (laughs) I'm just nervous.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       Psychosomatic.

   24. HMHugo Martin12:49

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       Um, they say that it's four days and you start exhibiting symptoms, so.

   26. HMHugo Martin12:53

       Okay.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   28. HMHugo Martin12:53

       I coughed at the airport and people looked at me like I've, it was, I felt, almost wanted to apologize. I was just clearing my throat and I didn't cover my mouth and everybody was like ...

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Mm.

   30. HMHugo Martin13:01

       Yeah, it was, it was-
8. 13:23 – 21:51

   Coronavirus deep dive: risk factors, wet markets, and why outbreaks happen

   1. HMHugo Martin13:23

      Well, they say ... I didn't watch that show yet with that guy that you had, but, uh, 50 and up or something? Or like ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:29

      It's, the real problem is people with respiratory issues, people who are overweight, and, and people who are old. Those are, those are the real problems. Unhealthy people.

   3. HMHugo Martin13:38

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      That's, that's the real issue. That's gonna be the real issue. Although Sam Harris did know a guy who's a skier who is 50 who was a- apparently very healthy and very fit, and he is now on a ventilator, and he was in Italy. I don't know the specifics. You know, sometimes ... Look, I've, I've got the flu before and I'm sure you has, have as well, and sometimes what happens is you're worn down from travel, you're worn down maybe from drinking, you're worn down from too much exercise, and then it gets you. And then if you're not, like ... And this is just the common cold. And apparently, the common cold is a type of coronavirus.

   5. HMHugo Martin14:14

      I don't, I don't know any-

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:14

      Um, Google that. Make sure that's true. But I'm, I'm pretty ... I was reading up on coronaviruses last night, I was like, "What?"

   7. HMHugo Martin14:21

      So-

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:21

      Like SARS is a type of coronavirus.

   9. HMHugo Martin14:24

      Is this just here now forever? Like this is a part of the world? Like, coronavirus?

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       It's a good question. Well, Michael Osterholm, who, uh, wrote this book, Deadliest Enemy, and who was on, on, uh, Tuesday, on the podcast Tuesday, he opened up a lot of peoples' eyes as to like, what, what the issue is and what, what, what you can do to prevent it. But those wet markets that they have in China are just bananas, man. With the fucking bats on the tables and ... Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe dis- diseases such as, uh, MERS, uh, sev- or SARS. Uh, a novel coronavirus is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans. So, uh, zoonotic or zoononic, meaning they're transmitted between animals and people. So, what, what's happening is these fucking wet markets. He was detailing how they have chickens that are in one cage and civets that are above the chickens, and the civets are shitting on the chickens, and the chickens are eating the civet shit, and it's like-

   11. HMHugo Martin15:27

       Oh, my goodness.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       It's like, it's just a perfect environment to create a disease that's gonna jump from one species to the next.

   13. HMHugo Martin15:35

       That is scary.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Yeah. And he's like, and many of 'em have jumped to humans. I mean, all the major, uh, whether it's avian flu, that's from birds, swine flu, obviously from pigs. They jump from farm animals or from these wet markets to people. Yeah, and they're not gonna stop those wet markets. So, it's like, I, I mean that's how people buy their food which is just crazy. Have you ever seen-

   15. HMHugo Martin15:55

       They-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       ... the videos and pictures of what they look like over there?

   17. HMHugo Martin15:57

       No, that seems scary, though.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       What, you think your game is scary?

   19. HMHugo Martin15:59

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       You wanna see, you wanna see what a bat looks like when it's laid out on a table? Apparently, bats are like a common thing to eat. And bro, when you see what a bat looks like with its mouth open, it looks like it belongs in your game.

   21. HMHugo Martin16:10

       Oh, that, that would be good, good reference.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       We were looking at pictures of 'em yesterday and they have a table laid out. And then, even on, just on the ph- raw concrete, bats laid out with their mouth open.

   23. HMHugo Martin16:20

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       They look cartoonish. They don't even look real. And they have no wings. They got Jamie's oh-my-God-ing over there. (laughs)

   25. HMHugo Martin16:25

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Look how big these bats ... These are bats without wings. I wanna see. Holy shit.

   27. HMHugo Martin16:30

       Holy shit, dude. That looks like a dog.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       They do look like dogs. Unless those are dogs. Those might be dogs.

   29. HMHugo Martin16:33

       Oh, those are dogs, bro.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh. Okay.
9. 21:51 – 29:07

   Weight loss and nutrition reality check: fixing late-night eating and habits

   1. HMHugo Martin21:51

      I just recently lost 20 pounds. Uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:52

      Did you?

   3. HMHugo Martin21:53

      Yeah, I was-

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:53

      What'd you do?

   5. HMHugo Martin21:54

      Um, well, my... I was 226 and, uh, that was fun, especially f- I, I, I mentioned earlier, like doing jujitsu, but the- ... My-

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:02

      Fun just 'cause you could pin people down easier?

   7. HMHugo Martin22:04

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      Extra weight?

   9. HMHugo Martin22:05

      More weight to throw around, I guess. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       Did you get tired easier, though?

   11. HMHugo Martin22:08

       I did. Like, there's definitely been benefits to losing weight that I actually really like. But, uh, my h- my blood pressure and my, uh, cholesterol was really high. So-

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       What did you do to lose the weight?

   13. HMHugo Martin22:18

       Well, I went to a nutri- ... Well, really I gained that weight just from eating like an idiot. Uh, I had really bad eating habits and, uh, I had no idea. Like, I didn't know you weren't supposed to eat a shit ton of pasta before you go to bed. Like, you know. And, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       (laughs) You, you didn't know?

   15. HMHugo Martin22:31

       I-

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:31

       How old are you?

   17. HMHugo Martin22:31

       I- I'm 43. I don't-

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       How do you not know that?

   19. HMHugo Martin22:33

       I f- I make video games. I don't know what the fuck's going on.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       (laughs)

   21. HMHugo Martin22:36

       So, like... I, I know how to do glory kills.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:39

       Listen, man. I woke up this morning with acid reflux. Not really, but like, well, bleh. It felt gross 'cause I, I ate two tins of sardines last night before I went to bed. Yeah, so I'm not smart either.

   23. HMHugo Martin22:50

       Uh, th- uh, I went to a nutritionist and she just kind of coached me on, like, basic stuff, and it was remarkable how much weight I lost just by not being, you know, stupid.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:59

       Y- you gotta just go to bed hungry.

   25. HMHugo Martin23:01

       Yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       You're way better off going to bed hungry than eating a big meal before you go to bed. But I come home from the comedy store and it's late and no one's home, I just... I've just become a- an idiot. I just start eating.

   27. HMHugo Martin23:10

       To... That's exactly-

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:11

       And then I go right to sleep. (laughs)

   29. HMHugo Martin23:13

       I would crunch on the game and, like, be at the office late, come home and t- total... My wife would make something amazing, but I miss dinner and it's like, "I wanna fucking eat. It looks awesome."

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:23

       It's right there.
10. 29:07 – 35:45

    Training at 6 AM: hydration, cramps, electrolytes, and supplement basics

    1. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       Oh, so you're training real early then?

    2. HMHugo Martin29:09

       I do- it's horrible, but I do the 6:00 AM one, which is fucking holy shit, dude.

    3. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       Yeah.

    4. HMHugo Martin29:14

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan29:14

       So you're up at 5:00, shove something in your mouth real quick.

    6. HMHugo Martin29:17

       No, not anything. I made that mistake. I drank a protein shake once before training, that was a fucking disaster. Holy shit. So I don't need anything. I drink water. I didn't even know what the hell I was doing. Again, I didn't know- knew nothing of nutrition. So I was like, "It's 5:30 and I gotta be healthy, I'm gonna drink this." And like-

    7. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       Yeah, you can't train.

    8. HMHugo Martin29:33

       Neon belly, I'm like, "Dude, this is-"

    9. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       (laughs)

    10. HMHugo Martin29:34

        "We're gonna have a serious fucking problem in like two seconds." (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan29:37

        Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, the same thing with yoga, hot yoga. I've tried to do it after breakfast. You literally can't do it. You'll want to throw up.

    12. HMHugo Martin29:44

        I actually- I- I'm tired too. Like, uh, so I'm- I'm pretty much just water, you know? And- and, uh, it's only an hour, so I could- I could kind of get through it. I don't know if this, uh, BCAs are helping or not, but I- I sometimes put that in my water just 'cause other people-

    13. JRJoe Rogan29:59

        BCAAs, branched-chain amino acids.

    14. HMHugo Martin30:01

        Is that good?

    15. JRJoe Rogan30:01

        Talk about that. Yes, yes, for sure. Yeah. Um, good before you train and after you train.

    16. HMHugo Martin30:06

        Yeah, and-

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:06

        Yeah, depending upon who you ask, you know, there's different protocols.

    18. HMHugo Martin30:09

        Just for a little extra juice, you know, I don't know, like to- to help, uh, 'cause I get a lot of muscle strains, uh, so I- I just-

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:16

        Strains?

    20. HMHugo Martin30:17

        Yeah, like in my calves and stuff.

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:18

        Mm-hmm.

    22. HMHugo Martin30:18

        Like in-

    23. JRJoe Rogan30:19

        Like cramps? Is that what you're saying?

    24. HMHugo Martin30:20

        I guess.

    25. JRJoe Rogan30:21

        Are you taking any electrolytes?

    26. HMHugo Martin30:23

        ... I'm, I'm, they're going away because I'm hydrating. That was another thing the nutritionist said was that I was probably dehydrated-

    27. JRJoe Rogan30:29

        Yeah.

    28. HMHugo Martin30:29

        ... way, way more than I realized.

    29. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        Sure.

    30. HMHugo Martin30:31

        So I'm drinking water, like, and it's actually working. Like, I actually feel like I'm, I'm getting less of those, and I'm also hungry less. Like, one of her things was that, uh, uh, probably some of what my cravings are for food is that I'm actually thirsty. So I-
11. 35:45 – 43:29

    Jiu-jitsu longevity: injuries, back care tools, and gi vs. no-gi lessons

    1. HMHugo Martin35:45

       I'm, uh, I think working with someone is what I need to do 'cause at, at 43, I'm finding that, like, I k- I injure myself 'cause I'm not exercising correctly. I, I-

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       Mm-hmm.

    3. HMHugo Martin35:55

       ... clearly I'm not doing anything correctly. But the, the, uh, like I'll, I'll try to do some extra stuff outside of training to, you know, work on things and, uh, there's always something. And then when you get, when I get something, it fucks everything up for months. Like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:08

       Mm-hmm.

    5. HMHugo Martin36:08

       ... I did something to my bicep and I couldn't do half the shit I needed to do, you know, in, in the morning, uh, training. Like, it, it was a pain in the ass. So actually I, I'm not really doing anything anymore. I do just some basic simple shit, but like I don't-

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:21

       Basic simple shit is fine. Like just body weight squats, chin-ups, push-ups, stuff like that.

    7. HMHugo Martin36:26

       D- that's it, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:27

       Oh, that stuff's real good for you. The thing is like you're doing something right 'cause you got a purple belt, right?

    9. HMHugo Martin36:32

       Yes.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        And so you, congratulations on that.

    11. HMHugo Martin36:34

        Thank you.

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:34

        But also, you know, you're doing jujitsu. That's a fucking hard thing to do, man. It's like-

    13. HMHugo Martin36:39

        I gotta do something.

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:41

        ... you beat your body up.

    15. HMHugo Martin36:41

        'Cause when I wasn't doing it, I got the, the kids and, uh, the work because the, you know, it is a lifestyle, but it's also a lifestyle that involves sitting on your ass staring at a TV screen.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:50

        Yeah.

    17. HMHugo Martin36:50

        Uh-

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:50

        What kind of, um, chairs do you guys sit in to keep you from getting back pains and stuff?

    19. HMHugo Martin36:54

        I don't really sit that much, like for me-

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:56

        Standing desk?

    21. HMHugo Martin36:56

        No, I'm just walking the whole fucking time, like just walking to this thing, walking to that thing, and then we just have pretty basic desks, but a lot of people do standing desks, uh, for sure. And, and, um, I like those a lot too. Uh, the, uh, I don't have one, but 'cause again, I don't really sit anywhere specific. I have an office, but I'm never in it. Um, but yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan37:13

        You're always moving around talking to different people about this and that.

    23. HMHugo Martin37:16

        Which is good 'cause I, when I sit for too long, my lower back, I got like a bulge in, in the, in the s- lower back area. I don't know. Uh, and if I sit too much, it kind of bug, it kind of bugs me. But, um...

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:27

        Everyone who does jujitsu has something going on with their back.

    25. HMHugo Martin37:30

        Yeah, I'm a little worried about that 'cause I found a thing that I-... you, you get the kids and before that was like, you know, roughhousing with 'em and you're fucking breathing heavy. And it's just like, "Shit, dude."

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:40

        (laughs)

    27. HMHugo Martin37:40

        And so I'm like, "What can I do?" I'm like, "I don't fucking like basketball. I think running sucks." Like, I don't wanna just work out, like, you know. So I, I, I did this and it became a fun, engaging way to get healthy, like-

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:53

        It's a game.

    29. HMHugo Martin37:54

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:54

        You know, you're playing a game.
12. 43:29 – 47:27

    Carmack stories and id’s legacy: standing on the shoulders of geniuses

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       Yeah, it's a, it's an awesome way to exercise. I'm, I'm wondering if one day they're going to be able to figure out some sort of a virtual reality learning game. That's one of the things that I talked with Carmack about. And I was like, I see... 'Cause Carmack, uh, has done some martial arts himself and I was like, I see... He's actually very good at judo and jujitsu.

    2. HMHugo Martin43:47

       He is?

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:47

       And he's really talented.

    4. HMHugo Martin43:47

       Apparently he choked somebody out at the office once. I think the person asked for it, but I, there's some-

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       (laughs)

    6. HMHugo Martin43:53

       ... story of like-... they wanted to see if Jon could do it, and he was like, "Okay." And just like that. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:57

       (laughs) Like a robot, "Okay. I'll choke you out now."

    8. NANarrator43:59

       Yeah.

    9. HMHugo Martin44:00

       I, I spoke, I worked, I overlapped with him by, like, a month and he said one thing to me, and it was pretty cool. He told me not to put grates in the game because they don't look good. And I was like, "Yes, sir. That will never happen."

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        Grates?

    11. HMHugo Martin44:13

        Uh, something to do-

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        Like, like running on, ksh, ksh. Like grates that you would run on?

    13. HMHugo Martin44:16

        Something with grates when you look at them at an angle, they, like, do-

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        Oh.

    15. HMHugo Martin44:20

        All, all the tech guys right now are like, "Jesus, Hugo." Like it's very specific. But yeah, he just told me not to do that and, and I was like, "I will not."

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        That's all he told you?

    17. HMHugo Martin44:28

        Yes.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:28

        (laughs)

    19. HMHugo Martin44:28

        He's super nice. You know, I didn't know-

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:30

        Yeah.

    21. HMHugo Martin44:30

        ... I didn't know what to say to him, you know. Like, I had no reason, I didn't wanna bother him.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:33

        Look it, that's me and him.

    23. HMHugo Martin44:34

        That is awesome. Yeah. He, he is, the dude's legit.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:38

        Yes.

    25. HMHugo Martin44:38

        Uh, uh, the founders of id, w- John Romero, that guy, like, I mean, I really feel like we're standing on the shoulders of geniuses when we make this game. Like, the, a lot of what makes Doom Eternal good is, is what they did in their game. Like the-

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:52

        Yeah.

    27. HMHugo Martin44:53

        ... the rocket launcher is such a well-balanced weapon in the original Doom game, and we took a lot of inspiration from that. And the fucking characters are so well designed, the Pinky and the Cacodemon and the sounds they make. The game still holds up to this day.

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:04

        Yeah. It does.

    29. HMHugo Martin45:05

        Like straight fucking legit geniuses-

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:08

        Even with the clunky old school graphics it's still very immersive.
13. 47:27 – 54:05

    How Doom Eternal gets made: greenlight process, engines, iteration, and “steering into fun”

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       So how does a game like Doom Eternal start? Does it start w- it starts with a meeting, you say, "Hey, we are thinking about doing this. What do you think?" And then how does it get the green light? How does a game like that get going? Were you there from the very beginning?

    2. HMHugo Martin47:40

       We have, yes. We have a green light. I've been there for seven, eight years now.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       So what happens?

    4. HMHugo Martin47:44

       We have a green light process where we put together an overall idea, Marty and myself, you know, work very closely. Marty is the studio director and executive producer of the game.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:53

       Shout out to Marty.

    6. HMHugo Martin47:54

       He's awesome. He's, he's the boss. He is the shit. Um-

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       So what you guys say, like someone comes up with a con- so what are we gonna do for our next game?

    8. HMHugo Martin48:02

       We, we talk.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:03

       Okay.

    10. HMHugo Martin48:03

        Like it's a, you know, making games is, is fucking awesome. Like it's, it is. It's the fucking coolest. Like I can't believe that this is my job. Like it's-

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:11

        That's awesome.

    12. HMHugo Martin48:12

        Yes.

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        That's, that's what everyone wants in life.

    14. HMHugo Martin48:14

        There's, you, you stick a dynamite and a crowbar wouldn't get rid of me and, and fucking id Software. Like I can't get enough of making Doom games, but-

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:21

        But you hit the jack- the jackpot. It's like what people want to do for a living is do something where you, you go to work and you're like, "I can't believe this is my job."

    16. HMHugo Martin48:28

        Oh, ev- so that's why when I go to play and to do the work I'm like, "I'm not fucking working."

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:34

        Right.

    18. HMHugo Martin48:34

        Like seriously. You know?

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:35

        Yeah.

    20. HMHugo Martin48:35

        Like-

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:36

        That's awesome.

    22. HMHugo Martin48:36

        ... so, uh, the, which can get a little out of hand I guess sometimes. But the, the, uh, in terms of like balance and like doing other things and like get up and exercise or do something.

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:46

        Right.

    24. HMHugo Martin48:46

        Um, but, uh, yeah. Me and Marty, we talk, uh, quite a bit and, and it's, uh, it's, it's commercial art. You know, it- it's, it's, uh, business and art and, and creativity coming together and we have a schedule and, and we have to work out the budgets and stuff like that. But ultimately we begin with like a conversation about like what it is we want to do. We're, we're talking all the time, he and I, about stuff. And then we talk to other, you know, people on the team. But essentially it begins with the, the executive producer and the director of the project getting together and talking. Then we, we work very closely with our publisher. And you start to formulate a, a plan and, and we had a plan and a good one for Doom Eternal. And, um, it's cool because we just recently had a meeting with, uh, our publisher where we were able to bring up some of the things that we talked about three years ago, and they are working now. Which is a good sign. Like you are pivoting a lot during development for sure. Like, "Okay, that didn't work. Let's try something else." But-

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:39

        And what, what do you base it on? It didn't feel fun to do or-

    26. HMHugo Martin49:42

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:42

        ... it didn't look cool?

    28. HMHugo Martin49:44

        You, you, we call it just steering into things. You, go that feels good, steer into that. That feels good, steer into that. You're always steering into the fun. Like you let the game tell you what it wants once there's enough of it on the table to, to, you know, to judge.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:56

        So what are the first processes? Like when you s- say okay, you got the green light. It's time to make a game. What's the first things that get done? Is it design? Do you sort of design what the players look like? Is it the coding?

    30. HMHugo Martin50:07

        Uh, I've ... It's like everything. I mean, they begin the engine, uh, all the different process.
14. 54:05 – 1:07:11

    VR, Doom VFR, and the ‘warehouse Doom’ dream—plus why VR is its own medium

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:05

       What, what I'm holding out hope for is some sort of Oculus version of Doom or of Quake or something like that where you have, like, a unidirectional treadmill and you're locked into it. You, you've seen those things, right?

    2. HMHugo Martin54:20

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:20

       Was it omnidirectional? Is that what it's called? Or ... Yeah. Omnidirectional treadmill.

    4. HMHugo Martin54:25

       There's, uh, Doom VFR, which is pretty cool. Like, they, they made it, and, uh, it did really well, actually.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:30

       Really?

    6. HMHugo Martin54:31

       And it's ... Yeah, yeah. It's-

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:32

       Where is it?

    8. HMHugo Martin54:32

       Uh-

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:32

       Pull, pull up that.

    10. HMHugo Martin54:34

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:34

        Doom VFR. Have you heard of it, Jamie?

    12. GUGuest54:36

        I was telling my ... I have it, but I have not played it 'cause it came in my little cycle of, like, getting ... where I couldn't stand up for a long period of time.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:42

        Oh, your back issue?

    14. GUGuest54:43

        Yeah.

    15. HMHugo Martin54:43

        Yeah, yeah.

    16. NANarrator54:44

        Jamie broke his butt.

    17. HMHugo Martin54:45

        We, uh, kind of removed-

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:47

        You don't even care?

    19. HMHugo Martin54:47

        R- ... (laughs) We removed those things from the office-

    20. NANarrator54:50

        Yeah.

    21. HMHugo Martin54:50

        ... the thing that he hurt himself on.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        Oh, the hover boards?

    23. HMHugo Martin54:52

        Oh my goodness.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:53

        Yeah.

    25. HMHugo Martin54:54

        So, the ... One minute, people are laughing, "Check this out." Next minute, some dude's-

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:57

        Yeah.

    27. HMHugo Martin54:57

        ... ankle is just straight fucking hanging off his leg.

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        So, this is the VR version of Doom?

    29. HMHugo Martin55:02

        Yes. It is. It is crazy.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:03

        So ... Oh, this looks pretty goddamn good. And so, how are you moving around?

Episode duration: 1:16:36