Joe Rogan Experience #1441 - Hugo Martin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... two, one. What's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... two, one. What's up, dude?

   2. HMHugo Martin0:02

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      How are you?

   4. HMHugo Martin0:03

      Good. How are you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      First of all, the game looks fuck- tell everybody who you are and what you do.

   6. HMHugo Martin0:07

      (smacks lips) Uh, my name is Hugo Martin, and I'm the game director on Doom Eternal.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Oh, no!

   8. HMHugo Martin0:11

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      They're dragging us back in. Let me tell you something, folks. We, h- he, Hugo just played some of Doom Eternal. He showed us the game and show, and, and ran through the, some of the first level. Holy fuck. Goddamn, it's so next level. It's so next level, graphics, it's so next-

   10. HMHugo Martin0:27

       It's cool.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... everything about it, like the weapons, the demons, the, the way you kill them. It's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life.

   12. HMHugo Martin0:35

       It's awesome.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       It's so ridiculous.

   14. HMHugo Martin0:36

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       But it's like, seems like it's okay, because it's violence against demons.

   16. HMHugo Martin0:39

       Yeah, totally.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah.

   18. HMHugo Martin0:40

       And, and we, we, we work hard on that. Like, you ne- there's no cursing. Th- I have three kids. There's no cursing. There's no sex. I do want it to be something that my nine-year-old could play.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Don't you think it's kind of crazy that you can rip people's heads off, you can shove their arm down their throat, you can cut them in half? That's fine, just don't use any of those naughty words, kids. (laughs)

   20. HMHugo Martin1:01

       Yes. Because I was joking with someone the other day. It's like, when I'm with my kids, like, he's not gonna go up to somebody and like glory kill them. But when someone says-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Explain what a glory kill is 'cause it sounds too much like glory hole-

   22. HMHugo Martin1:11

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       ... and people are gonna get really confused.

   24. HMHugo Martin1:13

       So in the game, when you damage a demon, uh, enough, they will glow, uh, with like a shader on them and that means you can go in to do a, a melee finisher basically, which is like a, a melee attack. And you'll get health from it. And there are these really, really cool animations.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       And melee, we should explain, is like with your own hands.

   26. HMHugo Martin1:29

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       You can rip them apart or cut them in half with a sword or a chainsaw or...

   28. HMHugo Martin1:33

       Yes. And-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       It's so crazy.

   30. HMHugo Martin1:35

       Like, when my kids see that, they're not gonna do that. But when they hear someone use the F word, they're like, "Oh, I could use that in everyday life." And, and that sucks. So-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, my goodness. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      uh, MERS, uh, sev- or SARS. Uh, a novel coronavirus is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans. So, uh, zoonotic or zoononic, meaning they're transmitted between animals and people. So, what, what's happening is these fucking wet markets. He was detailing how they have chickens that are in one cage and civets that are above the chickens, and the civets are shitting on the chickens, and the chickens are eating the civet shit, and it's like-

   2. HMHugo Martin15:27

      Oh, my goodness.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      It's like, it's just a perfect environment to create a disease that's gonna jump from one species to the next.

   4. HMHugo Martin15:35

      That is scary.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:35

      Yeah. And he's like, and many of 'em have jumped to humans. I mean, all the major, uh, whether it's avian flu, that's from birds, swine flu, obviously from pigs. They jump from farm animals or from these wet markets to people. Yeah, and they're not gonna stop those wet markets. So, it's like, I, I mean that's how people buy their food which is just crazy. Have you ever seen-

   6. HMHugo Martin15:55

      They-

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:55

      ... the videos and pictures of what they look like over there?

   8. HMHugo Martin15:57

      No, that seems scary, though.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      What, you think your game is scary?

   10. HMHugo Martin15:59

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       You wanna see, you wanna see what a bat looks like when it's laid out on a table? Apparently, bats are like a common thing to eat. And bro, when you see what a bat looks like with its mouth open, it looks like it belongs in your game.

   12. HMHugo Martin16:10

       Oh, that, that would be good, good reference.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       We were looking at pictures of 'em yesterday and they have a table laid out. And then, even on, just on the ph- raw concrete, bats laid out with their mouth open.

   14. HMHugo Martin16:20

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       They look cartoonish. They don't even look real. And they have no wings. They got Jamie's oh-my-God-ing over there. (laughs)

   16. HMHugo Martin16:25

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Look how big these bats ... These are bats without wings. I wanna see. Holy shit.

   18. HMHugo Martin16:30

       Holy shit, dude. That looks like a dog.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       They do look like dogs. Unless those are dogs. Those might be dogs.

   20. HMHugo Martin16:33

       Oh, those are dogs, bro.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh. Okay.

   22. HMHugo Martin16:35

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Jesus. Those are dogs.

   24. HMHugo Martin16:36

       That looks like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Jesus Christ. Those are dogs.

   26. HMHugo Martin16:37

       Oh, those are bats.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       They look like they're the same thing, though. So, those are bats. So, look at the teeth on the bats.

   28. HMHugo Martin16:41

       Yeah, that's really-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Look at that. Look at how they're all, they all have their mouths wide open like they're trying to bite you.

   30. HMHugo Martin16:47

       So-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Is that good? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      amino acids.

   2. HMHugo Martin30:01

      Is that good?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Talk about that. Yes, yes, for sure. Yeah. Um, good before you train and after you train.

   4. HMHugo Martin30:06

      Yeah, and-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yeah, depending upon who you ask, you know, there's different protocols.

   6. HMHugo Martin30:09

      Just for a little extra juice, you know, I don't know, like to- to help, uh, 'cause I get a lot of muscle strains, uh, so I- I just-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      Strains?

   8. HMHugo Martin30:17

      Yeah, like in my calves and stuff.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Mm-hmm.

   10. HMHugo Martin30:18

       Like in-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       Like cramps? Is that what you're saying?

   12. HMHugo Martin30:20

       I guess.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Are you taking any electrolytes?

   14. HMHugo Martin30:23

       ... I'm, I'm, they're going away because I'm hydrating. That was another thing the nutritionist said was that I was probably dehydrated-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Yeah.

   16. HMHugo Martin30:29

       ... way, way more than I realized.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Sure.

   18. HMHugo Martin30:31

       So I'm drinking water, like, and it's actually working. Like, I actually feel like I'm, I'm getting less of those, and I'm also hungry less. Like, one of her things was that, uh, uh, probably some of what my cravings are for food is that I'm actually thirsty. So I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Mm-hmm.

   20. HMHugo Martin30:44

       ... would, uh, now I, like, chug a big glass of water. And the cravings do kind of, those 11 o'clock cravings kind of subside a little bit. Um, but yes, I, I try to do it in the mornings. It's just super, super rough.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Yeah, over the last couple of weeks, uh, last week in particular, I've been drinking a shitload of water, just a shit... Like last time, last night at The Comedy Store, I must have drank seven bottles of water, which is great until I got home. I got up to pee three times-

   22. HMHugo Martin31:09

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       ... in the middle of the night last night. I'm like, "Fuck."

   24. HMHugo Martin31:12

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       I'd wake up, it's like 3:00 in the morning, I'm like, "Goddammit, I, can I hold it in? No, shit." And I just kept doing it, man. Three times I got up to pee.

   26. HMHugo Martin31:19

       I'm, I, so you would agree that just, I mean, obviously, right, just drinking should-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Drink a shit ton of water, but I believe in electrolytes. I think electrolytes are very important, and I think you should find, uh, a good company that, you know, sells electrolytes so you can pour into your water and will make a difference.

   28. HMHugo Martin31:33

       Do you have one that you would recommend?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       I use Liquid IV. It's a sponsor of the podcast, um, just, uh, to, for full disclosure. But I actually enjoy it and even if it wasn't a sponsor, I would absolutely use it. It tastes good. You pour it in there. It's got, like, salt, a little bit of sugar, and a lot of electrolytes, and it's just fucking really good for you.

   30. HMHugo Martin31:51

       That's awesome.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. It does. …

   1. HMHugo Martin45:00

      designed, the Pinky and the Cacodemon and the sounds they make. The game still holds up to this day.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Yeah. It does.

   3. HMHugo Martin45:05

      Like straight fucking legit geniuses-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Even with the clunky old school graphics it's still very immersive.

   5. HMHugo Martin45:12

      It, it actually adds to the charm 'cause when you look at it now, it just looks like a fucked up Saturday morning cartoon.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      (laughs)

   7. HMHugo Martin45:17

      Seriously, it's like something they would make on Adult Swim, you know. Uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      Yeah, well Quake 1 became a big hit even after Quake 2 and Quake 3. A lot of the guys went back to Quake 1-

   9. HMHugo Martin45:27

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       ... because it was like a faster game, and it was like, and a lot of times guys actually cut all the textures out anyway.

   11. HMHugo Martin45:34

       Yeah, so they could see everything.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Yeah, which is really weird.

   13. HMHugo Martin45:36

       I just last year played, uh, through Quake 1 single player and Quake 2 single player campaign, uh, with mouse and keyboard.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Man.

   15. HMHugo Martin45:42

       Yes, you would be very proud. But I didn't play the multiplayer. But, uh, the, I, I actually am going to, uh, just become awesome at Quake Champions. I-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Really? Let's start-

   17. HMHugo Martin45:52

       So-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       ... today.

   19. HMHugo Martin45:53

       I, I'm down.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       (laughs)

   21. HMHugo Martin45:54

       V- very often part of my research, like, when I play is to, I have to achieve, uh, I don't wanna s- like, I have to reach, uh, mastery in a game to under- to, to find the fun.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       Yeah.

   23. HMHugo Martin46:06

       Like part of the research, uh, that you have to do when you're designing a game and when you play other games i- i- to, to remain, to, so that we understand like how other games are working, uh, successfully or not is to play them long enough to achieve mastery so you really f- you feel that addiction, you feel that engagement-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Yeah.

   25. HMHugo Martin46:21

       ... level and you're like, "Okay, I know how they did this. I know, I know what I'm feeling right now." So-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       Do you bring in, do you take like professional gamers and bring them in for-

   27. HMHugo Martin46:30

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       ... consultation and say, "How do you, how do you feel about this?" And-

   29. HMHugo Martin46:33

       Uh, absolutely. We watch and certainly we talk to them, but it's, it's dangerous because if you, so, so absolutely. Uh, but it's kind of like would you want Michael Jordan designing the next sports game. Like it's kind of, like he can tell you, he, it's so- sort of like the, the guy who builds the race car might not be the best guy to drive it. Like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       Well hold on. Th- th- here's what's wrong with that analogy. You're talking about Michael Jordan in a game. I'm talking about game players.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:42

   Yeah. …

   1. GUGuest1:00:00

      And I would, I would just like separate the two. Like, you know, when, when, uh, when, when we're making VR games we're definitely trying to do something else, uh, which is cool in and of itself. In and, in and of itself, but there's like, uh, not only just in our game but in a lot of games, like, there's just resource management. There's like s- high level skill meta shit happening. I mean, you know, you play fucking Quake, so like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Yeah.

   3. GUGuest1:00:22

      ... you know, that's hard to reproduce, uh, in VR in certain ways, at least at this time. But, but I think that's the thing, like, they want ... It happens a lot in games where people want to take how you feel or how a movie engages you and apply it to a game. And I think it's like, let a game be its own-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. GUGuest1:00:38

      Let a game be a game, let a movie be a movie, let VR be its own fucking experience. Like, that looks fucking awesome.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

      Yeah.

   7. GUGuest1:00:44

      Like, uh, but, yeah, if we just ... Yeah, so, so, uh, still though, yeah, I would love to kill a de- you know, demon. I, I, we have the VR game, I should just play it, but I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

      But what I'm, what I'm saying is like if someone made a Doom warehouse where you guys take a 14,000 square foot warehouse, just outfit it specifically for Doom, you got a line around the block of psychopaths-

   9. GUGuest1:01:05

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       ... waiting to play that thing for one hour.

   11. GUGuest1:01:08

       Geeks.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       I mean, seriously. Especially somewhere like Texas where there's a bunch of warehouses. Like you can find some-

   13. GUGuest1:01:14

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       ... warehouse district where you can get three or four of them and set them up for different m- maps in the game.

   15. GUGuest1:01:21

       That'd be fucking awesome.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       God damn, man. I mean, they're real close to being able to do something like that-

   17. GUGuest1:01:25

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       ... where it would be really accurate too, where you could have like a laser sight on your rifle and, you know-

   19. GUGuest1:01:30

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       ... you could see things through your goggles and-

   21. GUGuest1:01:33

       That'd be fucking badass. Although, it's like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       It's the future.

   23. GUGuest1:01:36

       It is.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       It's the future, Hugo. It's a- it's- it's, uh, lame ... Well, it's not lame, you know, Carmack can do anything he wants, but he's doing AI now. Like he's not doing VR anymore, I heard. I heard he was just consulting with Oculus, but now he's, he's pursuing, uh, AI.

   25. GUGuest1:01:51

       Well, let's be honest, he's too smart.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       (laughs) He is, he's-

   27. GUGuest1:01:53

       He's too smart. He's from another planet. Him and Elon Musk get together and share notes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Yes, yes.

   29. GUGuest1:01:58

       Both, both, they're both super wizards.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       Yeah, totally.

Episode duration: 1:16:36