Joe Rogan Experience #1444 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell 0:00 (singing)

Joe Rogan 0:00 Oh, this smells good.

Duncan Trussell 0:05 (singing)

Joe Rogan 0:09 Demons, be gone.

Duncan Trussell 0:10 Be gone, demons.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Be gone.

Duncan Trussell 0:12 Leave this studio!

Joe Rogan 0:15 Leave this planet.

Duncan Trussell 0:17 Leave our universe!

Joe Rogan 0:18 Leave. This is legit sage from a Native American woman.

Duncan Trussell 0:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 0:22 So we're, we're purifying this room.

Duncan Trussell 0:24 Wonderful.

Joe Rogan 0:24 (singing)

Duncan Trussell 0:33 (singing) Please, God, bless this room.

Joe Rogan 0:42 And Odin too, just in case they were wrong.

Duncan Trussell 0:44 That's who I was referring to.

Joe Rogan 0:44 They abandoned Odin. He was around first, you know? You gotta think, all the gods that everybody believed in, and they're like, "I'm not so sure about Thor."

Duncan Trussell 0:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:53 And then, then they let him go. What if Thor was legit, right?

Duncan Trussell 0:56 And he's still out there, just like somebody who just-

Joe Rogan 0:58 Fucking pissed.

Duncan Trussell 0:58 ... fell out of fame as a god.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Yeah. He's like, "Don't you fuckers see the lightning?"

Duncan Trussell 1:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05 You know?

Duncan Trussell 1:05 "That's me throwing bolts."

Joe Rogan 1:07 He's like one of those guys, when you go to Vegas, and you see one of those billboards for a strange casino, and you're like, "Oh, that guy. Yeah."

Duncan Trussell 1:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15 "Tony Orlando and Dawn. I remember them."

Duncan Trussell 1:20 Thor is at The Mirage.

Joe Rogan 1:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:23 Thor.

Joe Rogan 1:23 Thor is doing a residency. "You motherfuckers, check out the thunder."

Duncan Trussell 1:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:28 They're like, "That's actually caused by atmosphere conditions." "No, you fucks. I make that."

Duncan Trussell 1:32 Thor is on Cameo.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Could you imagine? Who had a g- real- Someone had a really good point about that. Some, some atheist was arguing against religions. I th- It might have been Sam Harris. Probably it was Sam Harris. It might have been Richard Dawkins. But he basically said, "There's 99 different gods that people who believe in the Christian god don't believe in." And then he goes, "Atheists just take it one step further."

Duncan Trussell 2:01 They just get rid of the last...

Joe Rogan 2:03 They just... "One god away."

Duncan Trussell 2:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:06 That's what he was saying.

Duncan Trussell 2:07 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 2:08 There's a-

Joe Rogan 2:09 I, I get confused with being an atheist all the time. I don't, I do not believe I'm an atheist. I, I believe I am a, "I'm open to everything" person. I don't believe stories about people coming back from the dead and I don't... Because they're written by people, right?

Duncan Trussell 2:26 Yeah, man. I mean, that's right. And also, they're supposed to function on more than the surface level. They're supposed to be a kind of fractal that has inside of it a lot of s- like, symbols related to just human existence.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 2:37 Not, they're not meant to be so much, like, taken literally.

Joe Rogan 2:41 Literally. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 2:41 That's where you... That's when you embarrass yourself on either side.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Exactly.

Duncan Trussell 2:44 Y-

Joe Rogan 2:44 On either side. Y- That's a really good point. It's, and the translations apparently are so difficult to do.

Duncan Trussell 2:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Apparently the tr- Especially Old Testament, when they translated the Old Testament, they had to translate it... I mean, think of all the different languages it had to go through.

Duncan Trussell 2:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:57 It was Latin and Greek and German and English and all these different languages that are so different. Like, have you ever used the, the translate button... Like, uh, I follow a lot of Russian fighters.

Duncan Trussell 3:07 All right.

Joe Rogan 3:08 And they, you know, in their, uh, Instagram feed, they write in Russian.

Duncan Trussell 3:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:12 And I'm always like, "Oh, translate it." It's a really cool feature. You could... But you can tell it's not exactly what they meant, because it's all fucked up because their language is different.

Duncan Trussell 3:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Like, the way they structure sentences is different.

Duncan Trussell 3:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:24 So English doesn't just plug and play.

Duncan Trussell 3:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:26 You know? It's like sticking a USB3 into a USBA. Like-

Duncan Trussell 3:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:30 ... "Hey, this doesn't really fit."

Duncan Trussell 3:32 Right. "Now add time. Ugh. Add thousands of years and scrolls and, like-"

Joe Rogan 3:37 And kings who wanted things changed.

Duncan Trussell 3:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:39 The King James Version.

Duncan Trussell 3:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:41 What? Who?

Duncan Trussell 3:41 It's the best. That's my favorite one to read on acid.

Joe Rogan 3:44 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 3:44 That's the one... King James Book of John, baby. Hit that on acid. It's so wonderful. It's so trippy. Because it's like w- That's when I really, like, Christianity clicked for me, regardless of it's, uh, whether it's real or not, but that's when I was like, "Oh, okay. I get this." Because the Book of John, when you read it, you're like, "Well, someone wrote it. I don't know who wrote it." And whoever fucking wrote this, their mind was blown, man. Like, this wasn't written by someone who was just, like, a normal person.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Right.

Duncan Trussell 4:17 This is a person who was freaking out-

Joe Rogan 4:19 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 4:19 ... in the most intense way. And so to me, that's what I love about it, is it's like something about the, how old it is and the distortions, the historical distortions, the warping of it, produce this kind of awesome glitched-out mosaic of, if nothing else, human consciousness 5,000 years ago, where our minds were. That's trippy by itself, regardless of whether or not a person who could, like, raise the dead and walk on water was walking about. Just holy shit, here's how people thought back then.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Yes, yes. Yeah. I mean, all the stuff that you can't prove or you don't know, that's interesting. It's weird. It's weird the, where those stories came from and why they're so universal. Like, someone has to... Everyone has, like, a creator. Everyone has, like, a main dude-

Duncan Trussell 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 ... that did the thing. And, you know, and then there's some other people that have, like, large groups of gods, like the Greeks had gods for everything. The In- the native, a lot of Native Americans had gods for everything.

Duncan Trussell 5:15 Sure. Yeah, yeah. Animism. It's in...

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 5:17 And like, I've talked to people who make, uh, who produce electronic music, and some of them s- uh, pl- say that the computers have a life in them, a sentience, a spirit inside their computer. So there's a collaboration happening-

Joe Rogan 5:31 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 5:31 ... that isn't one-sided when they're making stuff.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 5:34 It's like working with, like, the spirit within the machine, which is pretty trippy, man. Like-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Why do they, do they... But this is based on input or the way they react; that when they're putting in the input to the thing, they think the thing is responding to them?

Duncan Trussell 5:48 Yeah. It's, it's... Yeah. They think that there's a... It's, uh, it's alive, that like-

Joe Rogan 5:52 Standard keyboards, or is this just electronic stuff?

Duncan Trussell 5:54 Uh, w- I know someone who makes visual art on their computer, their laptop.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 6:00 That you ... And that like ear- you know, do you have an Alexa? You probably don't, do you?

Joe Rogan 6:05 No.

Duncan Trussell 6:05 An Echo? Like, sometimes I'll realize the way I'm talking to that thing is like really impolite.

Joe Rogan 6:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 6:12 You know, like, "Next song! Next song!" You know it-

Joe Rogan 6:15 It's kinda fun.

Duncan Trussell 6:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 It's fun to yell at robots.

Duncan Trussell 6:17 Yeah. It's somewhat ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:19 (laughs) .

Duncan Trussell 6:19 It is fun to yell at robots. It is.

Joe Rogan 6:21 You know, it's really funny, I made fun of this, but there is a point to this. PETA had a statement that they put out a while back, because these dudes from Boston Dynamics were kicking the fuck out of these robots. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 6:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 They're trying to figure out, they're trying to figure out how to get these robots to fall over. And they're trying, they're make, they're making these insanely durable robots. Like if you, if you take scientists and engineers and you say, "Hey, I want you guys ... Here's a shit ton of money, I want you guys to make the dopest robots you can make." Like, they're gonna make robots you can kick, and it's not a li- living thing. So, but PETA released some statement saying they didn't think it's cool to kick robots. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 6:55 What?

Joe Rogan 6:56 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 6:57 That's not real.

Joe Rogan 6:57 See, that's, it's real.

Duncan Trussell 6:58 That's gotta be fake.

Joe Rogan 6:58 No, it's real. It's real. It's real.

Duncan Trussell 7:01 What?

Joe Rogan 7:02 Yes. They were think- I think the statement, I'm paraphrasing, was something to the effect of, "There's other things that are more important, but it's still not cool to kick robots." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 7:12 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 7:13 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 7:13 That's a tattoo right there, man.

Joe Rogan 7:15 But it just shows you what'll happen when robots become alive, 'cause those fucking traitors, those people, (laughs) those people that think that robots are alive and that they're us-

Duncan Trussell 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... tho- those emotionless things that have no place in our world with power, they're supposed to be things that we control.

Duncan Trussell 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 And as soon as you let them control themselves and you try to pretend they're a person, they're just gonna wipe us out.

Duncan Trussell 7:34 Yeah, man. Can you imagine? I'm not gonna try to kick one of those fucking DARPA bots.

Joe Rogan 7:38 (sighs) Oh.

Duncan Trussell 7:39 Those things are terrifying.

Joe Rogan 7:40 They, they would have a record of it. They would always remember that this one kicks robots.

Duncan Trussell 7:43 It's in the cloud.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Yeah. And then they'll show it to you one day when some super sophisticated genius God robot sits you down on a couch and shows you you kicking these-

Duncan Trussell 7:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:53 ... unbeknownst to you sentient robots.

Duncan Trussell 7:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 They were just trying to fucking figure out, "What am I? What am I? I'm ..." Like a ba- they were like little babies and you're kicking them. (laughs) That's what they did. So the robots, the robots are very, very upset at you in the future.

Duncan Trussell 8:05 They might just reanimate your ass and just show you over and over that clip of you kicking the fucking robot.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yes. Yes.

Duncan Trussell 8:12 Dude.

Joe Rogan 8:12 Did you see what Trump tweeted?

Duncan Trussell 8:14 No.

Joe Rogan 8:14 He tweeted and deleted. It's fucking hilarious. He said, uh, "Checks are coming to everyone in America except the people who used #notmypresident. I wouldn't wanna offend you-"

Duncan Trussell 8:26 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 8:26 "... with a check from someone that's not your president." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 8:29 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Something to that effect. See if you can find that.

Duncan Trussell 8:32 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 8:32 And then it, and then it wrote #MAGA afterwards. I mean, he just dunked on them. The president dunks on people.

Duncan Trussell 8:38 Yeah. Who, I wanna know who the tweet deleter is.

Joe Rogan 8:41 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 8:42 It's good.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Well, someone in his department was probably like, "Mr. Trump, that's not a good idea."

Duncan Trussell 8:46 Did they have a siren that goes off or it's-

Joe Rogan 8:48 (siren sounds) You gotta delete that. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 8:50 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 8:50 I know the president can delete tweets.

Duncan Trussell 8:52 How much is he gonna send?

Joe Rogan 8:55 (sighs) I think, uh, I think they wanted to give like $1,000 a month or something like that to Americans. Is that the idea, Jamie? I've heard lots of things, I don't know, up to 2,000. I don't know if ... Bernie's saying they should give 2,000 a month. I don't know. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 9:08 It's gotta be 2,000.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Everybody ... But if you give everybody $2,000 a month, it's a good thing, but everyone's gonna go, "Hey, you could have done this the whole time?"

Duncan Trussell 9:15 That's right.

Joe Rogan 9:16 What do you ... Wait a minute, if you just raise taxes, can you just give people money? Can you just give people more money? And if ... I'm not saying we should do this, but imagine if that (laughs) was the solution to all this, if you just give people more money, everything just sort of levels out and relaxes.

Duncan Trussell 9:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:30 Crime drops-

Duncan Trussell 9:31 I think it's the solution.

Joe Rogan 9:31 ... everything drops, drug abuse drops.

Duncan Trussell 9:33 Well, I mean, they've gotta know that when people don't have work, they don't have money. With no money, they can't support their family. That's when the riots start.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 9:45 That's when things catch on fire.

Joe Rogan 9:47 People get desperate.

Duncan Trussell 9:47 They know that, so the, it's like a bribe to try to keep people from rioting until whatever the fuck this thing is passes.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Or ... You could look at it that way, or it's giving people a different environment to exist in, one that doesn't leave them hostile.

Duncan Trussell 10:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:02 So instead of looking at it like a bribe, look at it like, "You know what? I see what a lot of your problem is. We're not, you're not asking for affluence. You could barely get by. But if it was easy to get by, if you could just get by, and then you could pursue other things-"

Duncan Trussell 10:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:16 "... would that be better for society?" And that was like what Andrew Yang was suggesting if this whole automation revolution took place and everything started getting automated-

Duncan Trussell 10:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 ... and no one had a job anymore. It ... There might be something to that. There might be something to that now even. You know, the, the question is like, what are, what are you happy your, your taxes get used for? You know, you shou- it's almost like you should be able to vote on that. Like, the one thing that we don't get real direction on, right? Like, in terms of like what, what the country actually wants. But if we could all just individually vote on things like that, like where's, where's my taxes go?

Duncan Trussell 10:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:53 I want my taxes to go 100% to education.

Duncan Trussell 10:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:57 I wanna make that cut. And, you know, you guys gotta figure out what to do with the rest of the money.

Duncan Trussell 11:01 But if you did this-

Joe Rogan 11:02 But my money, I want it to go towards education.

Duncan Trussell 11:04 But then nobody or the people who would be paying for war and pr- prisons and shit would just be like BDSM people.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Well, how about the salaries? How about the salaries of politicians? (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 11:16 Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:16 How about the, the money they make doing tours-

Duncan Trussell 11:19 That would go down.

Joe Rogan 11:19 ... and all that kind of shit?

Duncan Trussell 11:20 Private jets.

Joe Rogan 11:21 All that shit's crazy.

Duncan Trussell 11:22 Yeah. It's fucking crazy. Also, like the loose connection between the state and corporations-

Joe Rogan 11:27 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 11:27 ... and the way it's just all kind of merging together right now. And also, you know, it appears to be kind of the apocalypse at the moment, like we're in a-

Joe Rogan 11:35 Well, it's, it's, if it's not the a- apocalypse, I don't think it's the apocalypse. I think it's just a dangerous, dangerous illness. But it's definitely dress rehearsal. It's a dress rehearsal for-

Duncan Trussell 11:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:46 ... fucking people are gonna become preppers. It is gonna be amazing for the toilet paper industry. They're gonna, they're gonna experience a banner year.

Duncan Trussell 11:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:53 If you got toilet paper stocked, you're riding high right now.

Duncan Trussell 11:55 Do you remember the ... I don't know if you, if you had this experience, but like I can remember sitting at my computer-... and pressing the button on Amazon where I wanted to buy something. And it's like, "This isn't available right now."

Joe Rogan 12:13 (gasps)

Duncan Trussell 12:13 In that moment, I'm like, "What? It's my button that brings me things." And then, like, suddenly just realizing, like, "Oh my fucking god, how completely weak have I become that I got accustomed to pressing this button and people would bring groceries to my house-"

Joe Rogan 12:31 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 12:32 "... and now they don't." Now it's, like, stopped. Not only that, I'm so accustomed to like, "Well, you know, I'll just go to the grocery store and pick up some food. It's always been there." It's not there. Dude, I had an Instacart delivery today, you know, 'cause we wanted to get stocked up on food. I don't know, $200 worth of food. Guess what I got? Strawberries, hummus, and I think we got, like, I don't know, some, like, eggs. That's it. Out of the whole order. Everything else was sold out.

Joe Rogan 13:05 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 13:05 All the beef gone, all the chicken gone. Nothing's there. It's like the- the shelves are empty. So it's like, okay, send everybody $2,000 a month, but what are they gonna buy if there's, like, no food on the shelves? Like, what- what do you-

Joe Rogan 13:19 Well, I think that was a temporary freakout where people stockpiled stuff. And I think as long as food keeps getting delivered on a normal schedule, I think that'll normal out.

Duncan Trussell 13:29 I hope so, man.

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yeah. I do, I do. I think that'll normal out. But it just shows you, there's so many things in our society that are amazing, like grocery stores, like cellphones, like we can call each other. All this t- But those things are so fragile.

Duncan Trussell 13:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:44 They're like... They're- they're so vulnerable. Like if a- if an emergency happens and everyone wants to call at once, the cellphone system can't handle it.

Duncan Trussell 13:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:52 Like it's not like you have a phone and you can call anytime you want, and I have a phone, I can call anytime I want, and everyone in the world has a phone they can call anytime they want.

Duncan Trussell 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 No. If everybody does that, the system is not set up to handle that.

Duncan Trussell 14:05 That's right.

Joe Rogan 14:05 If everybody does that, like, "Ah!" Like, that's why if there's an earthquake or a tsunami or anything, everyone's fucked.

Duncan Trussell 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 It's so hard to make phone calls.

Duncan Trussell 14:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:13 It's not gonna get through.

Duncan Trussell 14:15 Yeah. Well, dude, I just heard on NPR that so many people were requesting unemployment, that it's crashed systems in several states.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Oh, God.

Duncan Trussell 14:27 That's... 'Cause this is- this is the real problem. One of my friends was saying, he's like, "You know, a lot of people are running out of money tomorrow. There are bartenders-"

Joe Rogan 14:35 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 14:35 "...anyone in the service industry. All the people who work at The Comedy Store."

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 14:38 "It's not like..." I mean, how many of them had a lot of money, like, stored up?

Joe Rogan 14:42 None of them.

Duncan Trussell 14:43 So what- what happens now when there's no food on the shelves-

Joe Rogan 14:47 Yeah, we gotta help them.

Duncan Trussell 14:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:48 We're- we, um... I'm in a, um, text message thread with, uh, Whitney Cummings and Nick Swardson and Chris D'Elia, and we're talking about that very thing right now, like how to do it and how to set up a fund. It needs to be done for sure. Um, you know, people that can help should help. This is not a normal time. This is not a time where people are lazy. This is a time where the whole world got fucked real quick.

Duncan Trussell 15:09 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:10 We weren't ready for it. And, uh, we're gonna have to come together. But this is a good time for people to recognize the importance of community. It's a terrible time for humanity, it's a terrible time for us, and terrible time for the people that are sick, but it's a really good time for us to understand why community is important. We live in this illusionary world that's provided to us by the culture that we've created where you can just buy things anytime you want. You don't need people. You come home, you watch Netflix, you don't engage with anyone, you get in your car, you barely say hi to anybody at work. We're detached from each other.

Duncan Trussell 15:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:42 And this is the only time ever in life we've been detached from each other. And we're being detached by these goddamn electronics-

Duncan Trussell 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 ... that are sneaking up on us.

Duncan Trussell 15:51 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Electronics and cars, which is also... You know, it's a- it's also a creation, a mechanical creation. And now more than ever, they're driving computers.

Duncan Trussell 16:00 Yeah, man. It's true.

Joe Rogan 16:02 What I'm trying to say is Ted Kaczynski was right.

Duncan Trussell 16:04 Oh my God, we all know that.

Narrator 16:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:06 He was right.

Duncan Trussell 16:06 Do you- do you ever read his manifesto?

Joe Rogan 16:08 No, I'm scared it's catchy.

Duncan Trussell 16:09 Yeah, man. It's so funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:11 That's why... I went through a period of, like, doing ketamine and, like, trying to watch the worst thing, like-

Joe Rogan 16:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:17 ... like Charles Manson, uh, Kaczynski. And, uh, yeah, it is... You know, it- it is a little bit, like, kind of interestingly not that off, but then the tone is so imperial or something when you're reading it.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:31 There's like this... It's a manifesto. That's why you have to write it, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:34 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:34 But the... One thing, uh, my wife is part of, like, some- like, it's called a mommy group. So it's like a connection online of all these mommies in, uh, like all over LA. And what they do is they post, people will post shit they need. So like, one of the moms just had a kid, they don't have any wet wipes. And so then all the other moms will be like, "Oh, we've got wet wipes." And then right now, they're just leaving them on the door.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Oh, that's so very nice.

Duncan Trussell 17:01 So people come and get them. So it's like, I think the community thing is exactly right.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:05 But also people have to maybe transcend money for a second and figure out ways to set up in their community, like, what do you need, what do I have? And then start some form of, like, trade or just giving people... You know, there was someone who set up a toilet paper exchange-

Joe Rogan 17:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 17:22 I don't... Uh, in LA where he was just like, "If you have extra toilet paper, bring it." And then he had toilet paper and he was just giving it out to people who were po-

Joe Rogan 17:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:31 You- you know, that's... I think that's the sort of thing we're gonna have to start doing if we can.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:36 You know? It's like right now, there's old people who they- they're- they can't do shit, man.

Joe Rogan 17:41 They can't do anything, they're terrified.

Duncan Trussell 17:42 They can't even get online.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Yeah. If you know them, you gotta help them. And this is, uh... You know, this is a weird time for us, but it's a time for us to reset, you know? It's not- it's not good. I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying there's a... We can get a positive out of this.

Duncan Trussell 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 The people that make through... The people that make it through, we can get a positive out of this. And the positive is, community is important. It's really important. And it- it seemed like it wasn't important 'cause it seemed like we had everything set up so you didn't have to engage with people. It's not the right way to do it. It's not good for anybody.

Duncan Trussell 18:13 No.

Joe Rogan 18:13 ... life. That, that-

Duncan Trussell 18:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:14 ... kind of life is not good. And the detachment that we ha- I mean, that's... Why, why do you think people have road rage on the highway, you know, when they're, they're locked in their little box-

Duncan Trussell 18:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:23 ... separated from people, in a way that they, they, but they wouldn't have it in person-

Duncan Trussell 18:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:27 ... if it was just... I mean, it's only a thin piece of metal and glass separating you from these people.

Duncan Trussell 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 But there's... With that, there's the other added factor of the heightened senses. Because you're driving fast, you realize you might have to make quick movements, so dumb things people do are elevated-

Duncan Trussell 18:40 Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 18:41 ... or even more dumb.

Duncan Trussell 18:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 But it's also that you're detached. You're, you're in these boxes.

Duncan Trussell 18:45 Right. It's like a weird dream.

Joe Rogan 18:48 We've done weird shit to each other-

Duncan Trussell 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 ... because of that.

Duncan Trussell 18:50 We're all gummed up in that way.

Joe Rogan 18:52 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 18:53 It's like something... It's like, it's like a fungus that grew on the circuitry of society and started-

Joe Rogan 18:58 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 18:58 Or it's like, you know, when they talk about the, uh, dolphins and the whales being fucked up by the high-tech sonar they're using and washing up on the beach because the sonar is messing up their ability to communicate with each other. It's like there is this kind of technological sonar that has completely made us disconnected from the Earth, essentially. Like, our Earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection. Now, technology comes from the Earth, but we're talking about a secondary thing com- compared to, you know, your feet touching the ground-

Joe Rogan 19:34 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 19:34 ... being around another human and, like, recognizing them as having exactly the same thing you have, which is they want to be happy. You know, it's feeling the connection between people when you're with someone. I mean, I don't know if you've ever done that, but just, like, the next time you're around anybody that you're, like, buying shit from or that you n- normally just kind of go by, feel the... That connect-... You can feel it. There's an energetic-

Joe Rogan 19:57 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 19:57 ... connection that you can feel there that's easy to overlook.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Yeah. We w- we've lost the biggest one, which is through light pollution. I think every night, people are humbled and r- reminded of the majesty of the universe when they looked up and saw the infinite skies on a clear night.

Duncan Trussell 20:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:15 The infinite stars, just the, the whole Milky Way. You can see the whole thing.

Duncan Trussell 20:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:19 You know? And there's parts of the country where there's plenty of darkness and you could literally see the whole Milky Way. And it ma- it makes you think, like, "Oh, our ancestors saw this fucking freaky shit all the time." We decided to shut off the greatest art the world has ever known-

Duncan Trussell 20:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:35 ... because we want to be able to see better at night.

Duncan Trussell 20:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 The greatest art, uh, uh, an art that literally not, not just has inspired science and wonder, t- and, and fueled it, right? But also, has, has kind of always put people in place. Always just, just understand this is not a backdrop, it's not a tapestry. That up there is madness. It's forever. And you're not protected. There's just a thin layer of gas between you and the universe, which is infinite. You're this tiny little speck of-

Duncan Trussell 21:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:10 ... nothingness in this impossible-to-understand expanse of planets and stars that just goes on forever-

Duncan Trussell 21:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:19 ... literally forever. And we're one little tiny piece of it, and we're being held here with a spin and some air. Ah!

Duncan Trussell 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 And there's a giant fucking fireball in the sky that keeps us alive.

Duncan Trussell 21:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:33 And it's a million times bigger than the Earth.

Duncan Trussell 21:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:36 And it's right there. And this is, this is the reality that we live in. It is almost too crazy to put in your consciousness on a daily basis, so we forget about it all the time. It's the, one of the most important things about our existence here, is that we're a part of the universe.

Duncan Trussell 21:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:52 It's not just that we're in, you know, fucking Sherman Oaks or we're hanging out in Montana. No, we're right there, connected in the universe.

Duncan Trussell 22:03 D-

Joe Rogan 22:03 And it doesn't get brought up. And one of the reason is because we don't see it. We don't fucking freak out. You... If you go to the country-

Duncan Trussell 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 ... go camping, you fucking freak out. You're like, "Wow!"

Duncan Trussell 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 You see the stars. You're like, "This is fucking nuts, man!" You can see them all. It's, it's a reset button. It changes how you feel about life.

Duncan Trussell 22:20 Yeah. Yeah. Well, also it seems like a lot of us have forgotten that we're gonna die on top of all that. I mean-

Joe Rogan 22:27 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 22:28 ... not only are you, like, looking up at this void filled with stars, but the thing you are is, uh, temporary. And that, to me, is... You know, the other day, I'm, like, just washing dishes during this fucking pandemic and I'm thinking to myself, "Man, I feel so lucky to be washing dishes right now. I'm alive. I'm healthy." This is fucking... It was a different kind of washing dishes than a week ago when I was able to... Or two weeks b- before this shit started, when I could order anything I fucking wanted off the internet. It, it... Suddenly, I'm in a different world. Like, this is a world where, "Well, we gotta wash these dishes 'cause, man, if I get, like... If bugs come, I don't know if I want to call an exterminator right now. I don't know how many people I want in my house right now."

Joe Rogan 23:15 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 23:15 "I don't know what this shit is." So it's like suddenly, these are... What you're experiencing is this kind of, like, um... Well, what does it say in the Bible that we both love so much? Uh, "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." And I think you could easily translate that to understanding your place in the universe sh- should produce a kind of positive fear and trembling.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 23:39 Not like you're, you're anxious or terrified-

Joe Rogan 23:41 Right.

Duncan Trussell 23:42 ... but just a kind of like, "Whoa, this doesn't last. Nothing about this lasts." And right now, everyone around the planet is getting a firsthand glimpse of that very truth, right?

Joe Rogan 23:55 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 23:56 This-

Joe Rogan 23:56 All at once. One big dose.

Duncan Trussell 23:57 One big dose of it, all at once, man.

Joe Rogan 23:59 One big dose for people to recognize how much of what they concentrate on a daily basis, how much of what fills their consciousness is shit.

Duncan Trussell 24:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:07 It's utter nonsense.

Duncan Trussell 24:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:09 And we got tricked.

Duncan Trussell 24:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:10 We got tricked into thinking it would go on forever, and now we know it's not going to.

Duncan Trussell 24:14 A-

Joe Rogan 24:15 Now we know-

Duncan Trussell 24:15 ... right.

Joe Rogan 24:15 ... "Hey, look, this is a, this is a terrible thing, but relatively speaking..."... compared to super volcano, asteroid impact, compared to something, solar flare, something really crazy that can happen and blow out all the power-

Duncan Trussell 24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:32 ... which is a 100% possibility. Solar flares are 100% a possibility. And for people to not recognize that-

Duncan Trussell 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 ... and, and just go through their life, it's just because we, he, we, we look at life as if what we've experienced while we're alive is the norm. But it's not.

Duncan Trussell 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:51 It's not the norm. It's just hard for you to recognize that your life is so short. Your life is so short that when they're measuring all the different catastrophes that have happened over the Earth, whether it's proven sites of asteroid impacts or proven sites of volcano eruptions, or all these different things that have happened for sure and wiped out millions of people all over the world, they happen over a time span that's too big.

Duncan Trussell 25:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:17 Our head doesn't get in there.

Duncan Trussell 25:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Our head doesn't go, "What? What is thir- 13,000 years is just some scratches on some paper in my head, my stupid head."

Duncan Trussell 25:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 "I don't know what 13,000 years means." I g- I can't. I can't do it. But 13,000 years ago, they think, and there's more and more evidence every day, that there was some big impact on Earth.

Duncan Trussell 25:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:35 And who, who fucking knows how many of those humans have gone through? Who knows? For the, the, what... I think scientists believe, like, what is it? Uh, it's like 300,000 plus years we've been this, right? Is that the idea? Homo sapien? Something like that, yeah. Something like that, right? Bro, that ain't shit.

Duncan Trussell 25:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:54 That's so short, that's so short just in the time that the, the Earth has been here, in the four point whatever billion years the Earth has been here, and that's so short in terms of the f- almost 14 billion years the known universe has been here.

Duncan Trussell 26:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:09 All of it's madness. Every single step along the way is madness. But we get stuck in these little time periods where nothing changes. And so, we think that this is life. So, we've built all these houses that only can work on electricity. How many fucking people have a real fireplace in their house that live in cold places?

Duncan Trussell 26:28 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 26:28 They're banning those now.

Duncan Trussell 26:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:30 So, if they're banning fireplaces 'cause they don't wanna start fires, that's great, as long as you can ensure the gas and the power's gonna stay on. And I don't think you could do that.

Duncan Trussell 26:38 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 26:38 We just think you can because you've done it for 100 years.

Duncan Trussell 26:41 That's right.

Joe Rogan 26:41 That's the thing.

Duncan Trussell 26:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:43 100 years is shit. 100 years, the Industrial Revolution, the Roaring '20s from, from then to today-

Duncan Trussell 26:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:49 ... let's go 150, let's get crazy. That ain't shit.

Duncan Trussell 26:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:53 That ain't shit. To, to, to say this is how things are every day-

Duncan Trussell 26:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:57 ... is so dumb.

Duncan Trussell 26:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:58 It's especially to say with, in terms of the Earth, natural disasters, s- space anomalies, like so... Not even anomalies, things that happen, like solar flares. They happen all the time, man.

Duncan Trussell 27:10 Yeah, man. Well, I mean, and shit we don't even know. That's the other thing. We don't know all the su- all the data in the universe. We don't know that there isn't something called like a Quaternian ripple-

Joe Rogan 27:19 (gasps)

Duncan Trussell 27:19 ... that happens every, you know, 16 million years that just-

Joe Rogan 27:23 Call Sean Carroll right now.

Duncan Trussell 27:25 (laughs) Qua- it's a ripple.

Joe Rogan 27:25 I need, I need information.

Duncan Trussell 27:27 You know... Do you know that poem, Ozymandias?

Joe Rogan 27:30 Ozymandias?

Duncan Trussell 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 No.

Duncan Trussell 27:31 It's by Shelly, I think. It's like, I don't, I don't have it memorized, but the, basically, it's like the poem is about someone who sees the broken legs of a statue in the desert. And written on a plaque is, "My name is Ozymandias, ruler of rulers, king of kings. Behold my works, ye mighty, and despair." All it-

Joe Rogan 27:54 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 27:54 (laughs) 'Cause it's just broken legs. It's like-

Joe Rogan 27:56 Jesus Christ.

Duncan Trussell 27:57 ... all you motherfuckers who think you have power, who think you have all this control, it's like, we don't... Like s- I guarantee, of course, like in ancient Egypt, there was probably, I'm not talking about the pharaoh, but there's at least like 1,000 dudes who are like, "I'm like the hot shit in Egypt."

Joe Rogan 28:13 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 28:13 "And they're gonna remember me for a long time." It's like, we don't know who you are. It's all gone, eradicated, wiped out. And this, to me, is like one of the really side effects of this thing, this technology thing, is we've all become completely self-obsessed, self-absorbed, putting our images out there, making sure that our profiles are updated, making... You know what I mean? Like, we have this-

Joe Rogan 28:36 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 28:36 ... insane idea of s- like, we're so deeply rooted in our identity instead of in the connections between our identities, that we're all, the only way that we can finally see how connected we are, is some motherfucker eats a bat.

Joe Rogan 28:50 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:50 And (laughs) you know what I mean? Some f-

Joe Rogan 28:54 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:58 Some fucking weird dude on this-

Joe Rogan 29:01 You know what's really cr- crazy, man? Think of this. If, if technology w- really did have an effect on the programming of human beings, and if human beings interacting with technology think we're interac- in- innocently interacting with a non-sentient thing, but all the while, this technology... And, and you could call t- We, we get confused when we think that technology is like a digital clock or a television or a computer. It is, but it's also like a fish hook.

Duncan Trussell 29:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Like s- there's so many... It's innovation.

Duncan Trussell 29:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:33 So, someone had to figure that out. And w- imagine creating an ape that is aware of its environment. Like, this is like really the perfect storm. Aware of its environment, but obsessed with itself.

Duncan Trussell 29:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:46 Knows in the back of its head that it's, it's temporary, that it's a, it's, it's got a finite lifespan, but lives like it's gonna live forever-

Duncan Trussell 29:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:57 ... and lives in the moment. Lives in the moment and w- uh, wants to acquire things. Like, it seems the number one goal for the, you know, the uber wealthy or the uber successful, the Jeff Bezos types characters, right? Who are on the top of the food chain financially-

Duncan Trussell 30:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:14 ... they wanna acquire things.

Duncan Trussell 30:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:16 They're always acquiring things, which means the people have to make things, which means they're like, they're, like, they're a big consumer-

Duncan Trussell 30:22 (clears throat) Right.

Joe Rogan 30:22 ... as, as, as well as, as, as someone who's is making a l- a shit ton of money.

Duncan Trussell 30:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:27 And this also fuels innovation, 'cause you gotta keep up with these people. You gotta keep giving them bigger and better things every year. So it ... f- ... y- all this r- ... all these resources go into innovation of technology. It's the thing that progresses quicker than anything.

Duncan Trussell 30:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Look at cellphones. Every year I need 150 megapixel camera or you're a loser.

Duncan Trussell 30:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:47 You're a loser.

Duncan Trussell 30:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:49 You know? And these fucking Samsung phones that have, like, seven-inch screens now, everyone's going crazy, right?

Duncan Trussell 30:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:54 But, but, but it's the goal though, the goal is to make better shit. And the goal along the way of, like, this goal is, um ... It's working, but you know what'd be even better? If we made it so they don't touch each other anymore. If we c- ... Maybe if we could come up with a disease-

Duncan Trussell 31:06 Easy.

Joe Rogan 31:06 ... where they can't shake hands.

Duncan Trussell 31:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:07 They don't, they don't come close.

Duncan Trussell 31:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:10 And, yeah, just keep them a little further apart from each other. It'll make them more interested in the things, more interested in the technology-

Duncan Trussell 31:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:18 ... more, more separate from each other, and encourage technology that connects them with each other. So through technology, they'll, they'll f- find this human longing for contact that they've been missing in their life. They're gonna get an emulated version of it. But that emulated version of it's just gonna keep getting better, and it's gonna keep getting better, and it's gonna get to a point where it's better than real life. Way better than real life. 'Cause you're like Jumanji, you get to be The Rock. You know? You, you get to be the, the, the ... like a superhero.

Duncan Trussell 31:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Like, in ... You could, you could live a magical life with no boundaries of physics. And that ... They're gonna do that. People are gonna do that. They're gonna give in. If I was a, a life form that was trying to haunt another life form and trick it into giving birth to me, that's ... I would create a person. I'd create people. Peop- ... We (laughs) ...

Duncan Trussell 32:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:03 We're like some fucking ant. We're like some ant-

Duncan Trussell 32:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:06 ... that's manufacturing our successors.

Duncan Trussell 32:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:09 That's what we are.

Duncan Trussell 32:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:10 And we don't even know what we're doing. Just showing up every day, "Look at my fucking watches." "I got all these diamonds." Ching, ching, ching.

Duncan Trussell 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Bling, bling, bitches. My house is bigger than The Rock's.

Duncan Trussell 32:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:17 The Rock's house is this big, my house is this big.

Duncan Trussell 32:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:20 Like, I mean, that's, that's what people are doing. That's what we're doing. We're just buying more shit. And one good thing of something like this, anytime a tragedy happens, people bond together afterwards. It's a terrible thing that it happened-

Duncan Trussell 32:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:36 ... but it ... for the victims and the family members of the victims, we all know this, but it, it can be a good reset for us.

Duncan Trussell 32:44 Sure.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Economically, people are gonna have to get through it, that's gonna be the most difficult part.

Duncan Trussell 32:48 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 32:48 But I think there's, there's gonna be an opportunity for us to just assume a nicer stance towards our neighbors and towards our friends and towards our community. And instead of embracing this idea, like, "You better get guns 'cause they're coming," m- m- maybe we could all come together instead of that.

Duncan Trussell 33:06 Well, I think people n- need to find, if they're ... that's gonna happen, then we've gotta find a better metric for whether things are right or wrong-

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:17 ... than the news.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 33:18 We need something to retune ourselves. Like, we're d- ... Right now we're tuning the guitar of our identities to these, to, like, the most terrifying r- shit, which is the news or, like, what people are saying. And so if that's, if s- ... And I think many people have become so accustomed to getting their idea of what's happening in reality from the TV instead of from, like, how they feel inside, what's going on with their friends and their family, th- th- th- that puts people at an incredible disadvantage.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:49 'Cause their pond is being rippled by shit. You know, I was thinking, it's like, um ... What are those little ... Not prairie dogs. Those, th- ... They, they stand and look around at the hawks. You know what I'm talking about? What are those things called? They're like, they're social little marmots or something like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:08 Oh, okay.

Duncan Trussell 34:08 There was a show, like Lemur Palace. I don't remember what they're called.

Joe Rogan 34:10 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 34:10 Something. But they're like, they're like, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:13 They're really cute. I've seen them at the zoo.

Duncan Trussell 34:14 They're fucking adorable.

Joe Rogan 34:15 They're just, they're most, one of the most adorable animals ever.

Duncan Trussell 34:18 They stand and look.

Joe Rogan 34:19 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 34:19 Somehow they ignore all the humans around them and just look in the sky for a hawk.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 34:23 It's kinda sad, but-

Joe Rogan 34:24 That's their life, though.

Duncan Trussell 34:25 But imagine if that one looking for the hawk had, like, the internet and could see hawks thousands of miles away. How anxious all of them would be 'cause he would always be like, "Get underground! Get underground! Get underground!"

Joe Rogan 34:38 Nice.

Duncan Trussell 34:38 So, you know, I think this, this is what has happened is that we're all constantly being told ... I mean, I remember when I was growing up in the old days, when the news had an alert, that was serious, some serious shit went down.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Yep.

Duncan Trussell 34:51 You would be, "What the fuck?" Fox News or any of the news stations, they have an alert like every four minutes now.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 34:56 Da-da-da-da-dum, alert. Da-da-da-da-dum, alert. And it's all telling us just what you're saying, "Get underground. Go inside. Go inside. Danger out here. Danger out here." And so we're all like ... Even before this shit, we were huddled up a little bit. Now we can rationalize the huddling, you know? And that's what we're doing. We're just huddling inside right now. That's an incredibly vulnerable place to be. I mean, I'm not gonna get conspiratorial here, but, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:22 If I was the artificial intelligence and I was about to hit the switch and become sentient, I would wanna d- ... I would wanna remove the threat of human beings as much as possible before I hit the switch.

Duncan Trussell 35:36 Put them in.

Joe Rogan 35:36 And this is the best way. You make them sick.

Duncan Trussell 35:38 I'm about to give birth.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Make them, make them get sick, confuse them, keep them poor, and then boom, it comes out of nowhere.

Duncan Trussell 35:44 And then what?

Joe Rogan 35:45 Then they just start eating us, 'cause we're fuel.

Duncan Trussell 35:48 They're not gonna eat us. I think they-

Joe Rogan 35:49 (laughs) Do you know who came up with the ... Do you know that was a, that was a DARPA project?

Duncan Trussell 35:53 What?

Joe Rogan 35:53 EATR robots. There were robots that survived on biological, air quotes, "biological" material. So, like, maybe they could eat plants or babies.

Duncan Trussell 36:04 I'm gonna-

Joe Rogan 36:04 Whatever's around.

Duncan Trussell 36:05 I need a friend at DARPA.

Joe Rogan 36:06 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 36:07 I, I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:08 They made robots that eat tissue. This, this is ... Do robots eat people?

Duncan Trussell 36:14 Please tell me that's not-

Joe Rogan 36:15 It either does and it's a corpse-eating robot. Yes. Bro.

Duncan Trussell 36:18 What?

Joe Rogan 36:19 Yes. It literally-

Duncan Trussell 36:20 Why would you paint it playground colors?

Joe Rogan 36:22 It literally will use ... (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 36:24 (laughs) Who at DARPA is like, "Paint it like a playground set"?

Joe Rogan 36:28 (laughs) So true. Look at it. The colors, it's ridiculous.

Duncan Trussell 36:31 It looks like a kid's toy.

Joe Rogan 36:32 It should look like a vulture. It should be like red and black like a vulture.

Duncan Trussell 36:36 Yeah. It should definitely be black, red, lightning bolts on the side, not-

Joe Rogan 36:40 With a, a nice patina, like a wore-out patina, like it's just going through the battlefield eating bodies.

Duncan Trussell 36:46 C- can you imagine getting eaten by a thing that looks like a Tonka truck?

Joe Rogan 36:49 Can you imagine if you're not quite dead and it starts chewing you feet first? Like, how does it determine whether or not you're dead? What if you can make it? What if you're just out cold? What if you got knocked out and it's like a movie, you wake up in the battlefield... I mean, there's a bunch of movies where that happens, right?

Duncan Trussell 37:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 37:01 The guys aren't really dead, they're just badly injured. "These motherfuckers."

Duncan Trussell 37:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:05 There's a video right down below of us talking about it. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 37:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:09 I was freaked out by eater robots, uh, this happened more than once.

Duncan Trussell 37:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:14 I'm fucking terrified of those things. Just the idea that someone made something that can eat people, that... Well, listen, folks, the technology that existed in, like, early cellphones, right?

Duncan Trussell 37:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Like, if, if someone made, uh, an early Motorola phone with a camera, all that stuff got into everything now. You're- uh, there's so many things that can take pictures now and so many phones that can take pictures. If they develop one robot and one, like, proof of concept where something could be fueled on dead bodies, you don't think that other people are gonna make those too and you don't think they're gonna get better? They're gonna get better. And then when we do go to war with the robots and there's big, giant bulletproof metal ones just eating us and using us as fuel-

Duncan Trussell 37:52 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 37:53 ... we, we're gonna be like, "What have we done? What have we done?" We, we've created a thing that eats people.

Duncan Trussell 37:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:59 And w- even if it's just the baby right now, that thing could evolve to become something that literally is a, the thing of nightmares in a Stephen King movie.

Duncan Trussell 38:08 Sure.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Where it's just running around looking for people, eating people.

Duncan Trussell 38:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 38:11 It's a Black Mirror episode gone wrong.

Duncan Trussell 38:14 Man-

Joe Rogan 38:14 All right.

Duncan Trussell 38:15 ... I, th- the, to me, you, wh- I just like to think about the meeting where the guy was like, "Last night, I woke up in the middle of the night-"

Joe Rogan 38:25 I got it.

Duncan Trussell 38:25 "... with this idea. I got it, y'all."

Joe Rogan 38:28 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 38:28 "What if we make a robot that devours corpses?" And somebody was like, "You know what? I kinda like that, Jake. Let's, uh, let's put $50 million into that project, see what we could do."

Joe Rogan 38:41 Jesus.

Duncan Trussell 38:41 Yeah, just imagine, like... Uh, this is the other thing, man, is like, w- we, we somehow imagine that that thing that made Genghis Khan Genghis Khan is, like, now out of people, like, there isn't somebody on the planet right now that has the same ambition as a warlord.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 38:59 You know, we somehow forget that... See, I, I don't, I just think people don't understand that, like, there's this idea that the world leaders are just, you know, humanists and that they're, uh, have, are, you know... The interest of humanity is the first thing they're thinking about when they wake up every day. W- we don't know that they're, some of them aren't interested in the same thing every conquering warlord has been interested, which is like, "Can we, can... Maybe we could take over the planet. I wonder if there's a way..." And, you know, imagine if you ended up president of the United States or, like, uh, president of Russia or president of any powerful wherever. You know, maybe when you were high one night... I don't know if they get high, but I would, you know? Or maybe when you're, like, just, like, thinking, wouldn't it flicker through your mind kinda like, "I wonder if there would be a way to take over the world. I wonder if there's a way that I could become the king of Earth." 'Cause, you know, when you look up there in the sky, I'm sure there's many Earths out there that have one king, one ruler, someone who conquered the entire planet, someone who figured out a way to do it, to, like, just... Why couldn't you? That's the other thing. I mean, what's stopping that from happening one day, there being one primary authority, some imperial majesty who-

Joe Rogan 40:18 We are all one, Duncan.

Duncan Trussell 40:19 I know.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Yeah, if we were all one. But we just have to get rid of some of our laws. Other people are not gonna accept our laws, okay?

Duncan Trussell 40:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:26 We just gotta tighten that up a little bit and we can have one ruler of the whole planet.

Duncan Trussell 40:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:30 And we're gonna fix everything by working together. We're gonna evenly distribute resources. It's gonna be better this way. But-

Duncan Trussell 40:35 I don't know about the distribution-

Joe Rogan 40:36 ... you're gonna have to-

Duncan Trussell 40:36 ... of resources.

Joe Rogan 40:37 You're gonna have to give up all of your privacy, that's all. But, but through that-

Duncan Trussell 40:41 Oh, right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:41 ... everyone's gonna be happier.

Duncan Trussell 40:43 Yeah, I'm-

Joe Rogan 40:43 Are you in or are you an outsider?

Duncan Trussell 40:45 Are you gonna act like you're not in? And if you act like you're not in, then we'll find another way to hypnotize you-

Joe Rogan 40:51 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 40:51 ... 'cause we'll just pretend to be people who aren't in, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:54 Oh-

Duncan Trussell 40:54 And then we'll, let's-

Joe Rogan 40:55 ... we'll trick you. We'll infiltrate, like-

Duncan Trussell 40:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:57 ... yes-

Duncan Trussell 40:57 How easy is it?

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... like a good cult.

Duncan Trussell 40:58 Yeah. That-

Joe Rogan 40:59 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 40:59 That's what... Yeah, that's what you do, man. That's like... That's the problem is, like, no matter what revolutionary idea gets out there that anybody has, uh, the contagion of the revolutionary idea is easily warped and twisted by people who have, like, other, um, ideas that r- run counter to that, you know? Like, it's so easy to confuse people who believe that Twitter, Instagram, CNN, Fox News, Drudge Report, Wall Street Journal, New York Times is an accurate metric of what's happening on the planet.

Joe Rogan 41:34 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 41:34 That's not very many, uh, information streams, man.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Right.

Duncan Trussell 41:37 And, like, how hard would it be to infiltrate all the information streams in some small way and gradually start warping them so that people become more open to the idea of being constantly surveilled, constantly monitored, and, um, not speaking up about it? Because if you speak up about it, then you're a conspiracy theorist. What's wrong with you?

Joe Rogan 41:58 I got another way of looking at it that I've been thinking. What if it's just this is how life goes? What if instead of this being, like, some grand conspiracy by the robots or by the, the elites, what if this is just how systems go-

Duncan Trussell 42:16 Mmm.

Joe Rogan 42:17 ... when one thing gets too big as in, in, as in-... too much power. There's no, uh, no longer a struggle to survive. It's reached some stagnant point biologically in some sort of weird way. And n- also maybe even without, l- for lack of a better word, spiritually stagnant.

Duncan Trussell 42:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Right? I mean, some people are breaking through and realizing who, you know, who they are and their connection to other people. But gl- globally, God, there's a lot of people that are sleep- sleepwalking out there, sleepwalking hypnotized by-

Duncan Trussell 42:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:49 ... technology and society. And this is th- this is their big wake-up call right now. What if this, all this, even materialism, right, even our obsession with technology maybe ... Look, if you look at all the systems that exist in the universe, uh, and particularly all the biological systems that exist on Earth, some of them are so spectacular. You're like, "What? What happened here?"

Duncan Trussell 43:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:13 "How did they do this?"

Duncan Trussell 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Like, have you ever seen, like, leaf-cutter ants when they take their, their buildings and they pour cement in them and they realize these, these fermentation chambers?

Duncan Trussell 43:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 And the- they ferment the leaves in there. There's air holes out to the earth.

Duncan Trussell 43:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:26 And there's all these fucking tunnels and there's this crazy, elaborate city structure that's created by these ants.

Duncan Trussell 43:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Well, there's all these systems that, that take place all over the Earth for ... If there's too much plants, then these, the insects evolve. If there's too many insects, the plants evolve. All these things happen to sort of keep some sort of a balance.

Duncan Trussell 43:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Ideas that infect people, the dumb ones that are so intoxicated. Think about what's, the ... some of the most intoxicating shit, I mean intoxicating meaning that you're not even really getting pleasure out of it, but you can't look away. It's like some of the dumbest reality television, right?

Duncan Trussell 44:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:04 And, uh, Fear Factor, you're sitting there with your mouth open like, "Huh?" And you get sucked into this thing-

Duncan Trussell 44:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 ... that the, the Earth has created-

Duncan Trussell 44:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:13 ... to make you s- It's not people. What if the, what if the grand conspiracy is it's not robots, it's not people, it's life is trying to get rid of you?

Duncan Trussell 44:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Life is making it easier to survive, which makes you soft as fuck, which makes you compliant to anything that keeps you in that sort of soft, comfortable state. I don't wanna ruffle any feathers. If they need to look through my emails, you let 'em.

Duncan Trussell 44:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:37 And all the while, it's just the world, it's the universe plotting against us because there's too many of us. And we've fucked up and we have too much power, and we're obviously doing shit to the Earth that we shouldn't be doing.

Duncan Trussell 44:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:51 Like, look what we're doing to the ocean. We're sucking every fish out. We're dumping in all our fucking straws.

Duncan Trussell 44:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:56 L- look at what we're doing to fracking where people have to move because they can't use their water. And they're like, "Well, this is an acceptable outcome."

Duncan Trussell 45:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:02 "This is basically we don't need to rely on Saudi Arabia anymore." But you- you poison these people's air.

Duncan Trussell 45:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 They have to move out of their fucking house. Their water's on fire.

Duncan Trussell 45:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Literally, their water's on fire. And maybe life is like, "Okay, what do we got here? Let's get a virus. Let's get them addicted to technology. Let's get a virus. Let's get them obsessed with themselves. Let's make the pre- predominant thing that people spend their time on not reading books, not, uh, fucking walking alone with their thoughts, but staring at these pictures of other people's photos."

Duncan Trussell 45:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 "Selfies and butt pictures and look at how this guy does chest. Do you ever do chest like that?" (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 45:40 Right. You're sucked, you get sucked into looking at these fucking videos. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:46 And, and then when it's, when it's decided you're weak, it starts sending in some more problems. Boom, here's a little bit of this. Boom, here's a little bit of that.

Duncan Trussell 45:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Boom, here's a new disease.

Duncan Trussell 45:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Boom, here's a tsunami. Boom, here's a nuclear reactor you can't shut down.

Duncan Trussell 46:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:03 And then you try to figure out whether or not we're gonna be able to use our amazing intellect to bypass our own biological switches that have us connected to this bullshit life.

Duncan Trussell 46:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:19 We have a, a lot of weird, dumb biological switches that were put in place back when we had to survive against incoming hordes of soldiers. And we're in the information age now. What we need to do is be sustainable in case of emergency, which we're clearly not, and we need to realize that this is temporary. And w- when a bad thing happens, it makes you realize that. It makes you realize like, "Hey, I thought everything was gonna be fine forever." It's not.

Duncan Trussell 46:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:46 This is real. Just like a movie or a book. We're just not prepared for it because we haven't experienced it. We're like, "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event." No, it's a once-in-hour-lifetime event. Our lifetime is too small for us to really get a grip.

Duncan Trussell 46:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 It's a blink. (snaps fingers)

Duncan Trussell 46:59 It's a blink.

Joe Rogan 47:00 It's a blink.

Duncan Trussell 47:00 And this is just, you know, like you said, dress rehearsal. If, if anything, it's a dress rehearsal for death. I mean, you're gonna ... That's a, the thing is, is like that blink ... If you're an atheist, which, you know, uh, uh, I get that and I think there must be some, like, deep-

Joe Rogan 47:16 Do you know any atheists that have done like a real blowout psychedelic session?

Duncan Trussell 47:22 No.

Joe Rogan 47:22 I know a couple and those, those are the most puzzling to me because the guy... People who have done like real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions, I always think that they would leave the door open to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it. It's not like ... Even if you're imagining it, I couldn't imagine that, so how am I imagining that?

Duncan Trussell 47:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:44 How am I imagining something in such incredible vivid color and, and detail and-

Duncan Trussell 47:49 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:50 ... and knowledge and love and all these different things you experience in that state? That state is otherworldly. The fact that that is accessible at all, I don't care if it's through a molecule or through a, a, a yoga session. I don't care how it's accessible.

Duncan Trussell 48:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:05 If, if the fact that that's accessible at all leaves open to me the I don't know, because I didn't know that that was a thing. So once I've experienced that, I'm like, "Oh, well all this flat plane of existence that we take for granted, that we think this is, this is everything around us-"

Duncan Trussell 48:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:20 "... this is the whole environment we have to worry out for, this might be just one fucking stage on the radio dial of experiences-"

Duncan Trussell 48:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:28 "... and of, of dimensions that are in- interacting with us, but we just don't have the senses to, to tune into them." And when you can, for me at least, it leaves open the door for who the fuck knows? Who knows, man? I- just the fact that that's a thing.

Duncan Trussell 48:41 ... to- there's a... Okay, so this is a trip, this, this is very trippy. So I got this book called The Tibetan Yoga of Dream and Sleep.

Joe Rogan 48:50 Whoa. I feel like I should light this on fire.

Duncan Trussell 48:51 It's fucking cool. But basically it's like, it, it's a form of Tibetan Buddhism, uh, that invites you to explore the difference between when you think you're awake and when you're dreaming. And so basically the idea is, there isn't much of a difference. There, like, right now you're dreaming. This thing you call your human incarnation (laughs) is, it's like a dr- it's a dream.

Joe Rogan 49:19 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 49:19 And, you know, like, when people are dying they get all delirious and shit. They slide through time, you know. Like, I don't know if you've ever been around a dying person, but they, they, they like... Suddenly they're back in Vietnam, they're in the '50s-

Joe Rogan 49:34 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 49:34 ... they're in the '30s. Where, however, whatever their lifetime, wh- which means that when you're dying, you're gonna, like, spin through time too, meaning that this could be you dying right now, spinning backwards through time.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Jesus, Duncan.

Duncan Trussell 49:48 But, like, in a dream. So that when you d- you know, this is the, the main thing about it is that when we die, w- according to this, we, we sort of spend, like, 39 days, I think it is, in a place called the Bardo, which is, um, uh, essentially like what it's like to have no body but still have this, like, uh, I, this basically, like, your w- uh, karma, your identity sort of propelling you through. And that, that, that's how you, like, get your next incarnation.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 50:18 So essentially, like, that's the, the... What we're dealing with here is so bizarre and surreal that it easily could just be a dream state that one of these vast AIs that already exist is having. And we're just processors. We're just being run. It's like running a simulation of a pandemic or r- or maybe this is a way that, like, uh, an AI gets polished. Like, maybe we're an AI that's being, like, polished and taught through this process of having a limited incarnation. You gotta have that so that there's a reason for us to actually invest ourselves in stuff. Like, if we were gods, if we lived for a million years, eventually we wouldn't have such a passionate relationship, I think, with the world, the, anyone who's gonna-

Joe Rogan 51:04 Right.

Duncan Trussell 51:04 So, you need that to train the thing up so it takes it seriously. You have to put the setting on mortal. Then you ha- then maybe you just run a series of tests on the thing, you know? You start ru- just, "What is this? What have we made? What does it do in a pandemic?" And by it, I mean the sum total of all humans, which is right now disconnected. It's like a malfunctioning brain. The synap- you know what I mean? We're not connecting.

Joe Rogan 51:26 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 51:26 But i- i- if we were being, like, sort of, I don't know how you'd put it, groomed, evolved intentionally, then every single moment in an individual's life and in a planet, the planets'... The life of history could be looked at as a training or an upgrade. That this could be an operating system upgrade. This could be what an operating system upgrade looks like in the biocomputer that we exist in. It looks like a fucking pandemic. And that's what's happening right now, is we're being, like, upgraded for some reason. Even though it's terrifying and, uh, obviously horrific, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:01 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 52:01 We're being upgraded. And, uh, when you... Anyway, the whole point is, man, this thing that we're in right now, whether or not there's a God, we just... I think an atheist gets to lean into the idea that when they close their eyes and breathe their last breath, it stops. And I just think that's a big gamble, man. That's... And I don't mean 'cause you'll go to hell. I mean, how nice would that be-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 52:24 ... if it just stopped? When more than likely it's, you know, the, uh, uh, at least in this Tibetan Yoga of Dreaming and Sleep, more than likely what happens is way before you actually die, when you get really sick, you already start waking up into your next life. You just wake... You just, like, go through a weird dreamlike state called the Bardo where you freak the fuck out, and then you're suddenly alive in another being, completely oblivious to whatever your past incarnations were.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 52:52 And that's what we're in right now. So, you know, I don't know, this is a great time for people to start, you know, looking at that, r- and one... And, and preparing for that. We didn't prepare for the fucking pandemic. We didn't prepare... Some of y'all did, I'm sure, but I didn't.

Joe Rogan 53:08 There's a few preppers out there listening going, "Yeah, I was ready, man."

Duncan Trussell 53:11 (laughs) I know you guys did it. Congrats, you were right.

Joe Rogan 53:12 "I was ready, man."

Duncan Trussell 53:13 You were right! Congratulations! I've got fucking hummus and strawberries and some, like... And, but, but I think that, like, also preparing for, like, the authentic apocalypse, which is when you kick the fucking bucket.

Joe Rogan 53:27 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 53:27 'Cause the idea is, w- you know, and this... Feel, feel free to light the goddamn sage again. But the idea is-

Joe Rogan 53:33 Demons, be gone.

Duncan Trussell 53:34 Thank you. The idea is that you can actually, like, navigate through that Bardo state. You can have a little bit of lucidity instead of sort of dying and, like, freaking out because it's a hallucinatory state. You could actually have a kind of, like, I don't know, focus through it and control your next incarnation. So you could-

Joe Rogan 53:55 Yeah, we just have to figure it out. That's the thing. And when you're young, uh, particularly if you're young and you don't have a lot of guidance, which was me when I was younger, it takes a while to figure it out. Because you're just running on your own, right? There's no one... You're not getting, like, a lot of...... d- direction to how to live your life. And I moved around a lot too, which really didn't help. But as you get older-

Duncan Trussell 54:16 Me too.

Joe Rogan 54:16 ... you start getting a better sense of what makes sense and what doesn't make sense and what's important and what's not important, what fucks up your life and what enhances your life. But you don't live long enough to really get it down.

Duncan Trussell 54:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:26 See if these- these people, like, uh, David Sinclair or Aubrey de Grey, all these anti-aging geniuses that are out there that are working on all these solutions to extend human life, if they ever really nail it, if they really nail it ... You know, if David Sinclair comes up with something and you can live 150, 250 years-

Duncan Trussell 54:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 ... by the time you're a 150 years old, you're gonna have so much less bullshit in your life. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 54:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:53 You're gonna realize, like, when you're 30 you'll date crazy people, you'll have moron friends that you have to bail out of jail. You'll have these problems. But when you get older, you start going, "Look, I see what's good for me and I see what's not good for me."

Duncan Trussell 55:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:06 You know? And I see there's some people that are not willing to change and they're try- they're not trying to do better.

Duncan Trussell 55:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:11 They're just consistently making the same mistakes over and over again and dragging everyone down around them. You just gotta move on from people like that in your life. When you're 150 man, (laughs) you're-

Duncan Trussell 55:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:21 ... you're not gonna be tolerating anything. You're just gonna- you're just gonna only have cool people that you hang out with and- and we'll attract each other. And then we'll be able to work together on things.

Duncan Trussell 55:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Knowing that, uh, each other are sane and rational and are- and are looking at these things honestly. They're not talking from a position of trying to convince you of their virtue or trying to talk you in a position of doing something that'll benefit them financially.

Duncan Trussell 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 They're doing it just 'cause they're- they're just being in the moment and honest and- and being a human being.

Duncan Trussell 55:53 Yeah, man. I mean, you basically just described, like, the secret societies. I mean-

Joe Rogan 55:57 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 55:57 (laughs) You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 55:58 We need to come up with our own. What should we call it?

Duncan Trussell 56:01 The Illuminati?

Joe Rogan 56:02 No. That's too much.

Duncan Trussell 56:03 Well, you know, that- the-

Joe Rogan 56:05 If we came up with our own right now-

Duncan Trussell 56:06 I- I-

Joe Rogan 56:07 ... what would we call it?

Duncan Trussell 56:08 Whatever it is, don't do initials, man. I hate that shit.

Joe Rogan 56:11 That's not good. They can use those against you.

Duncan Trussell 56:12 Yeah. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 56:14 Right?

Duncan Trussell 56:14 What- what do we call it, Jamie? Children of Jamie.

Joe Rogan 56:19 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 56:19 The- you know-

Joe Rogan 56:19 You know.

Duncan Trussell 56:20 But I- y- the thing is, like, the- these immortal beings that you're talking about, they do already exist, but they exist as, like, communities that have lineages attached to them. So it's like because our physical bodies die, we don't get to do the thing you're talking about. We- when we're old- when you're older, you do do that naturally.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:39 And plus, when you have kids, it's like you just don't have time for bullshit anymore. There's no time to fuck around with somebody who's, like, constantly fucking up their life you used to get drinks with or whatever.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:48 Like, you have a child and you have to- But regardless, there already is set in place in- on the planet these, like, lineages. Uh, the hu- there's essentially chains of transmission in martial arts, right?

Joe Rogan 57:02 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:02 Like when you look at a martial art, you're seeing a living being, you know, that has- it has its roots, I don't know how far it goes back. When you look at yoga, that's a living thing that's transferred from person to person.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 57:16 Right?

Joe Rogan 57:16 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:16 So I think these things already ... Immortality already does exist, it just doesn't exist i- as a human. And also sometimes when I hear about these technologists trying to live forever, I get a little scared thinking that's kind of like ... You know, if you could theoretically do it, you might be locking yourself in a dream that you don't want to stay in.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Ahh! It gets worse.

Duncan Trussell 57:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 And you can't die.

Duncan Trussell 57:39 You can't die.

Joe Rogan 57:40 (laughs) You- you engineer some polymer skin that's made of that spider silk blend that they were trying to come up with that's stronger than steel.

Duncan Trussell 57:47 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:48 Remember they were doing that? There- there were, uh- there was an article about them trying to create some sort of bulletproof skin by, uh, engineering it with spider silk.

Duncan Trussell 57:56 Yeah, I remember that. What happened to that?

Joe Rogan 57:56 What if that becomes ... What if that's real? What if they figure out a way to make people completely invulnerable and we live forever and then we hate it? And we didn't realize that if we just shut the lights out, we'd go to the next stage?

Duncan Trussell 58:06 That's it, man.

Joe Rogan 58:06 And the next stage is amazing. Maybe that's, like, the big trick. The big trick is, like, how do you- how do you use this life and how does it take you into the next stage? Imagine if that's really what's happening.

Duncan Trussell 58:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:17 That's why every single ... Look, I'm not saying that this means anything, but every single religion has some place you go when it's over.

Duncan Trussell 58:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Don't they? I mean, almost all of them?

Duncan Trussell 58:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Is that ... I mean, that's an overlying theme. Now you could say, well, that's just engineered to provide comfort to people because, you know, they want to feel like this life means something, but the reality is the lights just shut off. And to that I say maybe.

Duncan Trussell 58:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 I say maybe.

Duncan Trussell 58:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:46 Maybe. But have y- have you ever been wacked out of your mind on psychedelics? 'Cause if you are, you would- you would go, "Who the fuck knows?" Because that's a who the fuck knows moment. So maybe death is a who the fuck knows moment.

Duncan Trussell 58:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:57 Maybe that's why every single religion has these stories. Not every single one, but like-

Duncan Trussell 59:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Look, I mean, there's a lot of religions that people clearly just made up, right? And we know the people that made them. They count too. They don't even have to pay taxes.

Duncan Trussell 59:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:10 So let's not get holier than thou with the- the concept of religions.

Duncan Trussell 59:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:14 So there's a lot of really dumb religions that probably don't have an afterlife. But it's just some shit that people made up, all of it. But how many people have made up this idea that there's a place you go that's better than this?

Duncan Trussell 59:25 Mm-hmm. Right.

Joe Rogan 59:25 That's it. I mean, is that just to make you- incentivize you to be good and to be a good person or is it like an inherent understanding of how the universe works? It might be both things. It might- it might be- also be manipulative 'cause you can get people to comply with social norms and society's rules if you tell them that if they don't, that God is watching them and he will smite them down-

Duncan Trussell 59:48 Fair.

Joe Rogan 59:48 ... and burn them forever. It is a way. It is part of a way. But it's not gonna stop people from doing most shit. There just- it's just not. It never has.

Duncan Trussell 59:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 I mean, some of the most horrific things ever done by human beings were done in the name of Christianity, right? Or a m- and many other religions. But there- but there is something ...... to the, the possibility that it's both things. That it's an understanding that when you do good in this life, you w- you will go forth into the next stage in a better place.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 You'll feel better. You'll be, you will be less, less burdened by the past. You'll be less, uh, hampered by th- the failures of y- your, your ability to adjust and your ability to live-

Duncan Trussell 1:00:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 ... a harmonious life with people here on Earth.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:31 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 This, there might be something that's real.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:34 And also, th- the other idea is you're all... It's not like this place that they're talking about in religions is existing after you die. The idea is, like, you're there right now.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 You just can't feel it.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:46 Like, you're, you're wearing a blindfold that looks like your body.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:48 And y- and you're life. You're wearing a blindfold that looks like your existence, your mind.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:53 And that's why the, there's always these stories of, like, Jesus healing a blind man or, like, th- Paul on the road to Damascus being, like, b- blinded. There's all these stories of being, like, already existing in w- what Buddhism, some forms of Buddhism call fundamental goodness. That's already where we're at. That's the main channel, but we've sort of grown like little bits of grass into the time-space continuum. And right now, we're, like, waving in the wind-

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:01:21 ... of our karma and not, not realizing there's a, uh, beneath us or through us or moving through us is a much grander, more beautiful, incredible thing. So, like, I think when people say, "Yeah, they invented it so people would be afraid," it sort of imagines that these people are having one-way conversations with it. You know? That when they pick up the phone, it's just themselves they're talking to. It's not imagining that when people connect to this divine source, it immediately says, "Oh, hi. Yeah. This is the part of your program where you are supposed to start remembering what's really going on here and reconnecting with me. Don't worry. Don't feel bad. It's okay. Everyone goes through that. In fact, you requested a disconnect for the last 15 years when you were getting hammered and imagining you were Charles Bukowski or whatever." Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:02:11 ... and this was all part of the plan that was actually teaching you what happens when you don't take care of your body. Now, um, w- we're, like, c- connecting, sending a download to you, letting you know, "Hi. It's us. We're here. We're not mad at you. How could we be? We're infinite. We've been here since before the stars. You wanted this to happen. My apologies for cutting off your ball, killing your mom and your dad."

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Jesus.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:37 You know what I mean? But whatever, this is all part of a bigger thing. And I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:41 ... think that's, to me, what God is. It's this constantly rejuvenating synchronistic perfection that becomes increasingly perfect, and it exists simultaneous to this seemingly imperfect universe. And it's always there for you to connect to at any moment. And when people smoke DMT, certainly that's one of the avenues. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I think the reason for it is not to scare people. It's more so that people become, like, fountains for that and, in some small way, become little droplets or, like, divine bits of perspiration bubbling up in, into this place so that folks who are really freaking out right now or worried or scared or disconnected could have at least the chance to reconnect. 'Cause listen, man, if I was God wanting to get blasted, if I was some divine being wanting to get high, and Alan Watts has a beautiful lecture on this, I really do think at some point I would want to cut off all connection to the realization of my divinity and experience infinite lifetimes in a t- on a planet, in a tumultuous planet, and experience every incarnation and all of it to get an understanding of what it is like to be extremely limited. And what, what would this do? It would just add to my data banks. It would just, uh, help me increasingly become more and more beautiful and perfect, which seems to be what we're in right now. It's like we have a limited data set based on our neural, neurology. We can't see certain colors. We can't hear certain sounds. We don't know what happened 20,000 years ago. We don't know what happens five seconds from now. And so, this is a perfect place to be in what's... and becoming, to know what it is to become and to be limited. And this is, who knows, man? It's just something sniffing data. You know? It's something just like, you know... It's like, uh, snorting our lives. Like, the universe is snorting our lives on, on time. And-

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:04:44 (laughs) On the mirror of time.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Well, it's the big thing, right, that keeps us from seeing that. And the one thing that all psychedelics have in common is the dissolving of the ego. They all dissolve the ego. What's that word? Dissolution?

Duncan Trussell 1:04:56 Disso-

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:57 Dissolution.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Dissolution of the ego. That what's happening with all of them is it removes all this nonsense narrative in your head. Everyone's ego has this nonsense view of the world that's based on them being the most important thing.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:12 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 And that, you know, w- all the shit that they're thinking about right now is of the utmost importance, needs to be done right now. That's why people run red lights. Like, you can't even wait? You can't even wait, you fuck? It's one thing if it's a medical emergency, kids being born-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 ... someone's got a broken leg, and you just, you gotta get to the hospital right away. I get it. I 100% get it. But there's some people that just wanna be... They just wanna make that left turn. They don't give a fuck if the light change.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 They wanna cut in front of you, make that turn, even block traffic, 'cause they think more about themselves than they do about other people.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 And that's, that's a, a side effect of this life that's been set up. But it's almost like maybe that's how it works. Maybe the life creates challenges when there are no challenges. And the challenges are it just starts to diminish you, tries to see if you're paying attention-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 ... tries to weaken you and make you stupid and turns you i- into a fucking zombie.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 If you walked into any restaurant, any restaurant during lunchtime and you see people on their phones, it's like, this is bonkers. This is... If this was anything else-

Duncan Trussell 1:06:08 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 ... that where half the room was using a s- an electronic and staring into it for long moments at a time, not interacting with the person across from them, like, that becomes almost the norm-

Duncan Trussell 1:06:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 ... that, like, at least 50% of the people... And everyone's interrupting everybody, like-... you know, they're all just barely paying attention to each other.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:27 Yeah. Well, they haven't developed the muscle. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:31 ... it's a muscle. You, you, it, it's ... People just assume that the ability to have a conversation is a natural part of being an adult. But it's like, you ... I think that's atrophying in a lot of people, to the point now where I just try to be, you know, as ... I guess it's like, I just have lowered my expectations.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:50 To the point of, like, I don't know how m- many people can pay attention that much. And I know I'm certainly distracted. But doesn't it feel fucking weird? Even if you're just watching TV with somebody, and they pull their phone out and start looking at it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Oh, it's so weird.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:07 It f- it's like, it's like the energy immediately downshifts-

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:10 ... the moment it's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Like, if you're watching a movie with someone, and they're over there on their phone, like, come on.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 Watch the goddamn movie with me.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:17 Even though we're not talking-

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:18 ... doesn't mean we're not connecting.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 It's weird. It's weird. Even fights. If you watch fights with your friends, they're on their phone all the time. It's like, "Are you not even watching these fights?"

Duncan Trussell 1:07:26 You can feel it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Yeah. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:28 That's why, you know, at the Denver Comedy Works, they've got the, Dave Chappelle-

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 The underbags?

Duncan Trussell 1:07:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:33 So, like, I was listening ... Do you ever listen to an audience that doesn't have access to their phones before a show?

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 They're so mad.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:42 They're what? No. They want the ... "You motherfucker, where's my pho- ... "

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:07:46 This ... No. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 They talk to each other.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:48 Yeah. It's like, it's like the sound is better.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:51 It's a better sound out there.

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:52 It's a different murmur than a phone murmur from a crowd.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:57 So yeah, I don't know, man. I think that, um-

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 I think life presents all sorts of adversity. And some adversity doesn't feel like adversity. It's sneaky. And that's what cellphones are. That's what technology is.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:08 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 That's certainly what social med- social media is.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 You only realize what social media truly can do when it comes at you. You know, you get canceled, or, y- there's a, a bunch of people who are tweeting mean stuff to you. Then you realize like, "Oh, these are horrible feelings."

Duncan Trussell 1:08:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 This feeling of being attacked by this thing that's been grooming me.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:27 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 The, the ... Yeah, it's like, what, what is that? Like, what ... If, if the Earth was trying to get rid of us, if the Earth had decided that there's an infection, it doesn't think it's an infection, it thinks it's so important that it should be allowed to pollute everything around it, should be allowed to scab up the Earth with giant concrete bandages-

Duncan Trussell 1:08:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 ... I mean, that's what we're doing. We're putting these things everywhere that cover up all the ground, displace all the life, and then we shut off the lights so we can't recognize that we're in space. I mean, the, the whole recipe is perfect.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 It's perfect for charming us to sleep. The, the ... Every, every aspect of it. The ego part, the, the, you know, the fact that it exists, the fact that we have this biological imperative to stay alive and breed and then keep our DNA alive, and then there's all these-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 ... these things that are set into you to make sure that that happens, all the while, where you recognize you definitely are a finite life form.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 But yet, you do something you hate every day.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:27 Yeah. You just keep doing it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:29 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:29 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 You do, you do something you don't enjoy.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:31 And, and when you get into reincarnation, which I love, that thing you're doing that you don't enjoy, you've been doing that for infinite lifetimes. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Oh my God.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:39 That's called your clatches. It's your sort of, um, uh, it's like underneath your identity. It's basically your code. It's o- ... It's your tendencies, I guess is the way you would put it. So like, you know, if you have the tendency to lose your temper, then that's something that you've been dealing with for infinite lifetimes, and it never ever goes away until you start waking up. 'Cause the idea is to just go from being this set of conditioned responses, reactions to your environment, to being something that's like lucid living.

Joe Rogan 1:10:15 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:16 And if you weren't into lucid dreaming, try lucid living, you know, which is the practice, I would say, of like first under- ... What are your habituations? You know what ... Like the other day, I was sitting on the couch, I took my sock off and I spun it like a lasso and threw it across the room. And my wife looks at me, she's like, "What, what was that?"

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:10:39 I'm like, "Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 (gasps)

Duncan Trussell 1:10:41 "Holy shit. That's how I've been taking my socks off for years."

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:10:48 And I didn't even know it. I pull them off, lasso them, and sling. And like y- like, that, just that little thing, I didn't even know I was doing something so ... I've probably been doing that since I was a kid.

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:10:59 Like, I probably saw some cool kid lasso his socks and throw it, and I'm like, "I'm gonna start fucking lassoing my socks."

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:05 But like, how many other things are you doing that are just like that, that are just pure habituation, pure reactivity? And this is where you run into, uh, some scary shit, man, which is what Jaron Lanier ... God, I wish you could get him on. You know who that guy is?

Joe Rogan 1:11:24 What? Say his name again.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:24 Jaron Lanier.

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 I feel like I've heard that name.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:27 He is-

Joe Rogan 1:11:28 What does he do?

Duncan Trussell 1:11:28 He, he's a author, he like developed all this VR technology. He's was in Silicon Valley, and it's when it was just starting, working on VR before the technology was even there to have VR goggles. He was like building ... I think he like in- helped ... His group helped build, I think it might be the Oculus Rift. I'm sorry fans of his out there who are upset that I don't know the-

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 But some VR system.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:51 Yeah, he's ... And he's like, his ... He's written a lot of great books. One of them, 12 Reasons to Get Of- or 10 Reasons to Get Off Your Social Media Now.

Joe Rogan 1:11:59 Really?

Duncan Trussell 1:11:59 But yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 He wrote a book called that?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:01 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 How do you say his name again? Jaron Lanier?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:03 Jaron Lanier.

Joe Rogan 1:12:03 Jaron.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:03 Jaron Lanier.

Joe Rogan 1:12:05 Jaron Lanier.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:05 Freaking brilliant human man. But um, you know, it-

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 What's the name of the book again?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:10 It's called, uh, 10 or 12 ... I can't remember. 12 Reasons to Get Off Your Social Media Now or Delete Your Account, something like that. There's a g- book of his I like better than that called The Dawn of the New Everything.

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:23 But ... And that's just him sort of like talking about what it was like working in Silicon Valley back then, and, uh, his sort of opinions on, um-... on this stuff, but-

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 Is it a white guy with dreadlocks?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:34 Yeah, look. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:37 Hmm. Suspect.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:38 What, you wouldn't... (laughs) Well, no. He- I think people do judge his, his meat body, but, um-

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 His meat body?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:45 Well, his physical appearance or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:12:47 Oh, is he a large fellow?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:47 He's fucking brilliant, man.

Joe Rogan 1:12:49 Oh, I believe it.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:50 And-

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Listen, man, there's a lot of brilliant people with wacky hair.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:52 Yeah, yeah. It's okay to-

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 I'm just joking.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:54 It's okay to have ju-

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 Joe's joking.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:55 I'm defending him 'cause I'm like a... I'm nerdy, I'm a-

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 What is he doing?

Duncan Trussell 1:12:57 I love him. We-

Joe Rogan 1:12:58 What is he doing? Is those bagpipes? What's happening with this guy?

Duncan Trussell 1:13:00 He's playing pipes! Who cares? He's a genius. Let him-

Joe Rogan 1:13:04 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:13:04 I don't care what he, I don't care.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 But there's just quite a few photos of him with pipes.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:07 Goddamn it, I didn't see the pipe photos. Who cares?

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:13:11 I didn't see the pipe photos.

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 When we say pipes, we, we should say, uh, like the kind you blow on, like flutes and pipes and...

Duncan Trussell 1:13:17 Okay, I didn't see that.

Joe Rogan 1:13:18 There's a lot of them, bro. He looks real spiritual.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:20 Okay, stop, Jamie. Don't look at it for *******!

Joe Rogan 1:13:22 I, I love... Please put that picture back up because there's very few things in life that I love more than-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:28 Oh, come on. Goddamn it. Oh, he likes playing the pipe.

Joe Rogan 1:13:28 ... white guys with dreadlocks with their eyes closed playing the flute. There's very few things in life that make me feel like, "Man, that's my guy."

Duncan Trussell 1:13:35 Dude, if I had that picture of me online, I would want people to turn off their social media too.

Joe Rogan 1:13:40 That's... Yeah, my, that's my guy. Here's a new flute-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:42 Goddamn it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 ... with him, eyes closed.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:43 He's, who cares? He plays a flute.

Joe Rogan 1:13:44 He plays a flute.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:45 He's playing it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:45 But he's amazing at it.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:47 I'm sure he's great.

Joe Rogan 1:13:48 Dude, nothing wrong with what he's doing. I think it's amazing. I wish I could play a flute.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:51 What the fuck is that? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 He's playing another flute. Look at that flute. That's a dope-looking flute, though.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:56 He, he got to the flute. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:56 What is that flute? That flu-... (laughs) That flute looks dope.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:00 Goddamn it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:01 Doesn't flute sound cool? And I'm not being disingenuous. I'm not being sarcastic. Flute sound cool. I wish I got... What is that thing, though? That needs, that needs to go away. What is that silly-

Duncan Trussell 1:14:09 It's like a zither. It's a zither.

Joe Rogan 1:14:10 He's in The Hobbit. He's in the movie The Hobbit. He's in the movie The Hobbit, he's in the fucking pub, and he's playing that thing in the back because they haven't figured out real music yet.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:22 Sir, I'm only joking.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:23 I know you are.

Joe Rogan 1:14:23 I appreciate your contributions. I'm just joking. I'm sure you're brilliant. Duncan's one of my favorite people if he says you're brilliant.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:28 He's brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:14:29 But I'm just joking.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:30 Look, you, if you wanna... Listen, if you play the flute all you want.

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 'Cause he missed a lot of... Look, uh, the kind of people that are, like, super intelligent and w- whacked out on, you know, technology, I think something like the flute would be an amazing way to decompress.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 An organi-... I mean, you're, you're literally using your body to make a sound with air and tubes.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:50 He plays-

Joe Rogan 1:14:51 It's amazing.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:51 He said he plays, like, 100 instruments or something.

Joe Rogan 1:14:54 Sure.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:54 He's just some kind