Joe Rogan Experience #1444 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (singing) …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell0:00

      (singing)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Oh, this smells good.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell0:05

      (singing)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Demons, be gone.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell0:10

      Be gone, demons.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Be gone.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell0:12

      Leave this studio!

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Leave this planet.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell0:17

      Leave our universe!

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Leave. This is legit sage from a Native American woman.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell0:22

       Wow.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       So we're, we're purifying this room.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell0:24

       Wonderful.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       (singing)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell0:33

       (singing) Please, God, bless this room.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       And Odin too, just in case they were wrong.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell0:44

       That's who I was referring to.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       They abandoned Odin. He was around first, you know? You gotta think, all the gods that everybody believed in, and they're like, "I'm not so sure about Thor."

   19. DTDuncan Trussell0:52

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       And then, then they let him go. What if Thor was legit, right?

   21. DTDuncan Trussell0:56

       And he's still out there, just like somebody who just-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Fucking pissed.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell0:58

       ... fell out of fame as a god.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Yeah. He's like, "Don't you fuckers see the lightning?"

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:04

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       You know?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:05

       "That's me throwing bolts."

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       He's like one of those guys, when you go to Vegas, and you see one of those billboards for a strange casino, and you're like, "Oh, that guy. Yeah."

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:15

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       "Tony Orlando and Dawn. I remember them."
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      to be done for sure. Um, you know, people that can help should help. This is not a normal time. This is not a time where people are lazy. This is a time where the whole world got fucked real quick.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell15:09

      Yeah. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      We weren't ready for it. And, uh, we're gonna have to come together. But this is a good time for people to recognize the importance of community. It's a terrible time for humanity, it's a terrible time for us, and terrible time for the people that are sick, but it's a really good time for us to understand why community is important. We live in this illusionary world that's provided to us by the culture that we've created where you can just buy things anytime you want. You don't need people. You come home, you watch Netflix, you don't engage with anyone, you get in your car, you barely say hi to anybody at work. We're detached from each other.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell15:42

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      And this is the only time ever in life we've been detached from each other. And we're being detached by these goddamn electronics-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell15:50

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      ... that are sneaking up on us.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell15:51

      Yeah. Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Electronics and cars, which is also... You know, it's a- it's also a creation, a mechanical creation. And now more than ever, they're driving computers.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell16:00

       Yeah, man. It's true.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       What I'm trying to say is Ted Kaczynski was right.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell16:04

       Oh my God, we all know that.

   13. NANarrator16:06

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       He was right.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell16:06

       Do you- do you ever read his manifesto?

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       No, I'm scared it's catchy.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell16:09

       Yeah, man. It's so funny. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       (laughs)

   19. DTDuncan Trussell16:11

       That's why... I went through a period of, like, doing ketamine and, like, trying to watch the worst thing, like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell16:17

       ... like Charles Manson, uh, Kaczynski. And, uh, yeah, it is... You know, it- it is a little bit, like, kind of interestingly not that off, but then the tone is so imperial or something when you're reading it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell16:31

       There's like this... It's a manifesto. That's why you have to write it, you know?

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Yeah.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell16:34

       But the... One thing, uh, my wife is part of, like, some- like, it's called a mommy group. So it's like a connection online of all these mommies in, uh, like all over LA. And what they do is they post, people will post shit they need. So like, one of the moms just had a kid, they don't have any wet wipes. And so then all the other moms will be like, "Oh, we've got wet wipes." And then right now, they're just leaving them on the door.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Oh, that's so very nice.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell17:01

       So people come and get them. So it's like, I think the community thing is exactly right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       Yeah.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell17:05

       But also people have to maybe transcend money for a second and figure out ways to set up in their community, like, what do you need, what do I have? And then start some form of, like, trade or just giving people... You know, there was someone who set up a toilet paper exchange-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      and w- uh, wants to acquire things. Like, it seems the number one goal for the, you know, the uber wealthy or the uber successful, the Jeff Bezos types characters, right? Who are on the top of the food chain financially-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell30:14

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      ... they wanna acquire things.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell30:15

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      They're always acquiring things, which means the people have to make things, which means they're like, they're, like, they're a big consumer-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell30:22

      (clears throat) Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      ... as, as, as well as, as, as someone who's is making a l- a shit ton of money.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell30:27

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      And this also fuels innovation, 'cause you gotta keep up with these people. You gotta keep giving them bigger and better things every year. So it ... f- ... y- all this r- ... all these resources go into innovation of technology. It's the thing that progresses quicker than anything.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell30:42

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Look at cellphones. Every year I need 150 megapixel camera or you're a loser.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell30:47

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       You're a loser.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell30:48

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       You know? And these fucking Samsung phones that have, like, seven-inch screens now, everyone's going crazy, right?

   16. DTDuncan Trussell30:53

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       But, but, but it's the goal though, the goal is to make better shit. And the goal along the way of, like, this goal is, um ... It's working, but you know what'd be even better? If we made it so they don't touch each other anymore. If we c- ... Maybe if we could come up with a disease-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell31:06

       Easy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       ... where they can't shake hands.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell31:07

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       They don't, they don't come close.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell31:10

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       And, yeah, just keep them a little further apart from each other. It'll make them more interested in the things, more interested in the technology-

   24. DTDuncan Trussell31:17

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       ... more, more separate from each other, and encourage technology that connects them with each other. So through technology, they'll, they'll f- find this human longing for contact that they've been missing in their life. They're gonna get an emulated version of it. But that emulated version of it's just gonna keep getting better, and it's gonna keep getting better, and it's gonna get to a point where it's better than real life. Way better than real life. 'Cause you're like Jumanji, you get to be The Rock. You know? You, you get to be the, the, the ... like a superhero.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell31:45

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Like, in ... You could, you could live a magical life with no boundaries of physics. And that ... They're gonna do that. People are gonna do that. They're gonna give in. If I was a, a life form that was trying to haunt another life form and trick it into giving birth to me, that's ... I would create a person. I'd create people. Peop- ... We (laughs) ...

   28. DTDuncan Trussell32:03

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       We're like some fucking ant. We're like some ant-

   30. DTDuncan Trussell32:06

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And they're like, "Well, this is an acceptable outcome."

   2. DTDuncan Trussell45:02

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      "This is basically we don't need to rely on Saudi Arabia anymore." But you- you poison these people's air.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell45:08

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      They have to move out of their fucking house. Their water's on fire.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell45:11

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Literally, their water's on fire. And maybe life is like, "Okay, what do we got here? Let's get a virus. Let's get them addicted to technology. Let's get a virus. Let's get them obsessed with themselves. Let's make the pre- predominant thing that people spend their time on not reading books, not, uh, fucking walking alone with their thoughts, but staring at these pictures of other people's photos."

   8. DTDuncan Trussell45:35

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      "Selfies and butt pictures and look at how this guy does chest. Do you ever do chest like that?" (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell45:40

       Right. You're sucked, you get sucked into looking at these fucking videos. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       And, and then when it's, when it's decided you're weak, it starts sending in some more problems. Boom, here's a little bit of this. Boom, here's a little bit of that.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell45:55

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       Boom, here's a new disease.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell45:57

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Boom, here's a tsunami. Boom, here's a nuclear reactor you can't shut down.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell46:02

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       And then you try to figure out whether or not we're gonna be able to use our amazing intellect to bypass our own biological switches that have us connected to this bullshit life.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell46:19

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       We have a, a lot of weird, dumb biological switches that were put in place back when we had to survive against incoming hordes of soldiers. And we're in the information age now. What we need to do is be sustainable in case of emergency, which we're clearly not, and we need to realize that this is temporary. And w- when a bad thing happens, it makes you realize that. It makes you realize like, "Hey, I thought everything was gonna be fine forever." It's not.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell46:46

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       This is real. Just like a movie or a book. We're just not prepared for it because we haven't experienced it. We're like, "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event." No, it's a once-in-hour-lifetime event. Our lifetime is too small for us to really get a grip.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell46:58

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       It's a blink. (snaps fingers)

   24. DTDuncan Trussell46:59

       It's a blink.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       It's a blink.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell47:00

       And this is just, you know, like you said, dress rehearsal. If, if anything, it's a dress rehearsal for death. I mean, you're gonna ... That's a, the thing is, is like that blink ... If you're an atheist, which, you know, uh, uh, I get that and I think there must be some, like, deep-

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       Do you know any atheists that have done like a real blowout psychedelic session?

   28. DTDuncan Trussell47:22

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:22

       I know a couple and those, those are the most puzzling to me because the guy... People who have done like real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions, I always think that they would leave the door open to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it. It's not like ... Even if you're imagining it, I couldn't imagine that, so how am I imagining that?

   30. DTDuncan Trussell47:44

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      of Christianity, right? Or a m- and many other religions. But there- but there is something ...... to the, the possibility that it's both things. That it's an understanding that when you do good in this life, you w- you will go forth into the next stage in a better place.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:15

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      You'll feel better. You'll be, you will be less, less burdened by the past. You'll be less, uh, hampered by th- the failures of y- your, your ability to adjust and your ability to live-

   4. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:27

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      ... a harmonious life with people here on Earth.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:31

      Well-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      This, there might be something that's real.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:34

      And also, th- the other idea is you're all... It's not like this place that they're talking about in religions is existing after you die. The idea is, like, you're there right now.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      You just can't feel it.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:46

       Like, you're, you're wearing a blindfold that looks like your body.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Mm.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:48

       And y- and you're life. You're wearing a blindfold that looks like your existence, your mind.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Right.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:53

       And that's why the, there's always these stories of, like, Jesus healing a blind man or, like, th- Paul on the road to Damascus being, like, b- blinded. There's all these stories of being, like, already existing in w- what Buddhism, some forms of Buddhism call fundamental goodness. That's already where we're at. That's the main channel, but we've sort of grown like little bits of grass into the time-space continuum. And right now, we're, like, waving in the wind-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       (laughs)

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:21

       ... of our karma and not, not realizing there's a, uh, beneath us or through us or moving through us is a much grander, more beautiful, incredible thing. So, like, I think when people say, "Yeah, they invented it so people would be afraid," it sort of imagines that these people are having one-way conversations with it. You know? That when they pick up the phone, it's just themselves they're talking to. It's not imagining that when people connect to this divine source, it immediately says, "Oh, hi. Yeah. This is the part of your program where you are supposed to start remembering what's really going on here and reconnecting with me. Don't worry. Don't feel bad. It's okay. Everyone goes through that. In fact, you requested a disconnect for the last 15 years when you were getting hammered and imagining you were Charles Bukowski or whatever." Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

       (laughs)

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:11

       ... and this was all part of the plan that was actually teaching you what happens when you don't take care of your body. Now, um, w- we're, like, c- connecting, sending a download to you, letting you know, "Hi. It's us. We're here. We're not mad at you. How could we be? We're infinite. We've been here since before the stars. You wanted this to happen. My apologies for cutting off your ball, killing your mom and your dad."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       Jesus.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:37

       You know what I mean? But whatever, this is all part of a bigger thing. And I-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:41

       Mm-hmm.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:41

       ... think that's, to me, what God is. It's this constantly rejuvenating synchronistic perfection that becomes increasingly perfect, and it exists simultaneous to this seemingly imperfect universe. And it's always there for you to connect to at any moment. And when people smoke DMT, certainly that's one of the avenues. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I think the reason for it is not to scare people. It's more so that people become, like, fountains for that and, in some small way, become little droplets or, like, divine bits of perspiration bubbling up in, into this place so that folks who are really freaking out right now or worried or scared or disconnected could have at least the chance to reconnect. 'Cause listen, man, if I was God wanting to get blasted, if I was some divine being wanting to get high, and Alan Watts has a beautiful lecture on this, I really do think at some point I would want to cut off all connection to the realization of my divinity and experience infinite lifetimes in a t- on a planet, in a tumultuous planet, and experience every incarnation and all of it to get an understanding of what it is like to be extremely limited. And what, what would this do? It would just add to my data banks. It would just, uh, help me increasingly become more and more beautiful and perfect, which seems to be what we're in right now. It's like we have a limited data set based on our neural, neurology. We can't see certain colors. We can't hear certain sounds. We don't know what happened 20,000 years ago. We don't know what happens five seconds from now. And so, this is a perfect place to be in what's... and becoming, to know what it is to become and to be limited. And this is, who knows, man? It's just something sniffing data. You know? It's something just like, you know... It's like, uh, snorting our lives. Like, the universe is snorting our lives on, on time. And-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

       (laughs)

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:44

       (laughs) On the mirror of time.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

       Well, it's the big thing, right, that keeps us from seeing that. And the one thing that all psychedelics have in common is the dissolving of the ego. They all dissolve the ego. What's that word? Dissolution?

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:56

       Disso-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:57

       Yeah.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:57

       Dissolution.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:58

       Dissolution of the ego. That what's happening with all of them is it removes all this nonsense narrative in your head. Everyone's ego has this nonsense view of the world that's based on them being the most important thing.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:12

       Oh, yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:11

   Section 6

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:00

      which is, if, like, B.F. Skinner's right, and, you know, pretty much if you can control a thing's environment, you can control it, this is the reason to be terrified of AI.

Episode duration: 3:01:10