Joe Rogan Experience #1444 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 1:33

   Saging the studio, banishing demons, and joking about forgotten gods

   1. DTDuncan Trussell0:00

      (singing)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Oh, this smells good.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell0:05

      (singing)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Demons, be gone.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell0:10

      Be gone, demons.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Be gone.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell0:12

      Leave this studio!

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Leave this planet.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell0:17

      Leave our universe!

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Leave. This is legit sage from a Native American woman.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell0:22

       Wow.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       So we're, we're purifying this room.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell0:24

       Wonderful.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       (singing)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell0:33

       (singing) Please, God, bless this room.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       And Odin too, just in case they were wrong.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell0:44

       That's who I was referring to.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       They abandoned Odin. He was around first, you know? You gotta think, all the gods that everybody believed in, and they're like, "I'm not so sure about Thor."

   19. DTDuncan Trussell0:52

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       And then, then they let him go. What if Thor was legit, right?

   21. DTDuncan Trussell0:56

       And he's still out there, just like somebody who just-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Fucking pissed.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell0:58

       ... fell out of fame as a god.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Yeah. He's like, "Don't you fuckers see the lightning?"

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:04

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       You know?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:05

       "That's me throwing bolts."

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       He's like one of those guys, when you go to Vegas, and you see one of those billboards for a strange casino, and you're like, "Oh, that guy. Yeah."

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:15

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       "Tony Orlando and Dawn. I remember them."
2. 1:33 – 2:44

   Atheism vs openness: religion as metaphor, not literal history

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      Could you imagine? Who had a g- real- Someone had a really good point about that. Some, some atheist was arguing against religions. I th- It might have been Sam Harris. Probably it was Sam Harris. It might have been Richard Dawkins. But he basically said, "There's 99 different gods that people who believe in the Christian god don't believe in." And then he goes, "Atheists just take it one step further."

   2. DTDuncan Trussell2:01

      They just get rid of the last...

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      They just... "One god away."

   4. DTDuncan Trussell2:06

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      That's what he was saying.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell2:07

      That's cool.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      Yeah.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell2:08

      There's a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      I, I get confused with being an atheist all the time. I don't, I do not believe I'm an atheist. I, I believe I am a, "I'm open to everything" person. I don't believe stories about people coming back from the dead and I don't... Because they're written by people, right?

   10. DTDuncan Trussell2:26

       Yeah, man. I mean, that's right. And also, they're supposed to function on more than the surface level. They're supposed to be a kind of fractal that has inside of it a lot of s- like, symbols related to just human existence.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       Yes.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell2:37

       Not, they're not meant to be so much, like, taken literally.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Literally. Yeah.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell2:41

       That's where you... That's when you embarrass yourself on either side.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Exactly.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell2:44

       Y-

3. 2:44 – 5:15

   Translation drift and “reading the Bible on acid” as a consciousness artifact

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      On either side. Y- That's a really good point. It's, and the translations apparently are so difficult to do.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell2:49

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      Apparently the tr- Especially Old Testament, when they translated the Old Testament, they had to translate it... I mean, think of all the different languages it had to go through.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell2:56

      Sure.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:57

      It was Latin and Greek and German and English and all these different languages that are so different. Like, have you ever used the, the translate button... Like, uh, I follow a lot of Russian fighters.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell3:07

      All right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      And they, you know, in their, uh, Instagram feed, they write in Russian.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell3:11

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:12

      And I'm always like, "Oh, translate it." It's a really cool feature. You could... But you can tell it's not exactly what they meant, because it's all fucked up because their language is different.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell3:21

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Like, the way they structure sentences is different.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell3:24

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       So English doesn't just plug and play.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell3:25

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       You know? It's like sticking a USB3 into a USBA. Like-

   16. DTDuncan Trussell3:30

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       ... "Hey, this doesn't really fit."

   18. DTDuncan Trussell3:32

       Right. "Now add time. Ugh. Add thousands of years and scrolls and, like-"

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       And kings who wanted things changed.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell3:39

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       The King James Version.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell3:41

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       What? Who?

   24. DTDuncan Trussell3:41

       It's the best. That's my favorite one to read on acid.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       (laughs)

   26. DTDuncan Trussell3:44

       That's the one... King James Book of John, baby. Hit that on acid. It's so wonderful. It's so trippy. Because it's like w- That's when I really, like, Christianity clicked for me, regardless of it's, uh, whether it's real or not, but that's when I was like, "Oh, okay. I get this." Because the Book of John, when you read it, you're like, "Well, someone wrote it. I don't know who wrote it." And whoever fucking wrote this, their mind was blown, man. Like, this wasn't written by someone who was just, like, a normal person.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Right.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell4:17

       This is a person who was freaking out-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       (laughs)

   30. DTDuncan Trussell4:19

       ... in the most intense way. And so to me, that's what I love about it, is it's like something about the, how old it is and the distortions, the historical distortions, the warping of it, produce this kind of awesome glitched-out mosaic of, if nothing else, human consciousness 5,000 years ago, where our minds were. That's trippy by itself, regardless of whether or not a person who could, like, raise the dead and walk on water was walking about. Just holy shit, here's how people thought back then.
4. 5:15 – 8:12

   Animism, “spirits in machines,” and whether robots deserve empathy

   1. DTDuncan Trussell5:15

      Sure. Yeah, yeah. Animism. It's in...

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:17

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell5:17

      And like, I've talked to people who make, uh, who produce electronic music, and some of them s- uh, pl- say that the computers have a life in them, a sentience, a spirit inside their computer. So there's a collaboration happening-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      Hmm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell5:31

      ... that isn't one-sided when they're making stuff.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      Wow.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell5:34

      It's like working with, like, the spirit within the machine, which is pretty trippy, man. Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:39

      Why do they, do they... But this is based on input or the way they react; that when they're putting in the input to the thing, they think the thing is responding to them?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell5:48

      Yeah. It's, it's... Yeah. They think that there's a... It's, uh, it's alive, that like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       Standard keyboards, or is this just electronic stuff?

   11. DTDuncan Trussell5:54

       Uh, w- I know someone who makes visual art on their computer, their laptop.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       Oh.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell6:00

       That you ... And that like ear- you know, do you have an Alexa? You probably don't, do you?

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       No.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell6:05

       An Echo? Like, sometimes I'll realize the way I'm talking to that thing is like really impolite.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       (laughs)

   17. DTDuncan Trussell6:12

       You know, like, "Next song! Next song!" You know it-

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       It's kinda fun.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell6:16

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       It's fun to yell at robots.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell6:17

       Yeah. It's somewhat ... Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       (laughs) .

   23. DTDuncan Trussell6:19

       It is fun to yell at robots. It is.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       You know, it's really funny, I made fun of this, but there is a point to this. PETA had a statement that they put out a while back, because these dudes from Boston Dynamics were kicking the fuck out of these robots. (laughs)

   25. DTDuncan Trussell6:32

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       They're trying to figure out, they're trying to figure out how to get these robots to fall over. And they're trying, they're make, they're making these insanely durable robots. Like if you, if you take scientists and engineers and you say, "Hey, I want you guys ... Here's a shit ton of money, I want you guys to make the dopest robots you can make." Like, they're gonna make robots you can kick, and it's not a li- living thing. So, but PETA released some statement saying they didn't think it's cool to kick robots. (laughs)

   27. DTDuncan Trussell6:55

       What?

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       (laughs)

   29. DTDuncan Trussell6:57

       That's not real.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       See, that's, it's real.
5. 8:12 – 11:55

   Trump’s deleted tweet, stimulus checks, and the uneasy logic of UBI

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      Did you see what Trump tweeted?

   2. DTDuncan Trussell8:14

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:14

      He tweeted and deleted. It's fucking hilarious. He said, uh, "Checks are coming to everyone in America except the people who used #notmypresident. I wouldn't wanna offend you-"

   4. DTDuncan Trussell8:26

      (laughs) .

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:26

      "... with a check from someone that's not your president." (laughs)

   6. DTDuncan Trussell8:29

      Oh, my God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      Something to that effect. See if you can find that.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell8:32

      Holy shit.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      And then it, and then it wrote #MAGA afterwards. I mean, he just dunked on them. The president dunks on people.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell8:38

       Yeah. Who, I wanna know who the tweet deleter is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       (laughs)

   12. DTDuncan Trussell8:42

       It's good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       Well, someone in his department was probably like, "Mr. Trump, that's not a good idea."

   14. DTDuncan Trussell8:46

       Did they have a siren that goes off or it's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       (siren sounds) You gotta delete that. Yeah.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell8:50

       Yeah, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       I know the president can delete tweets.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell8:52

       How much is he gonna send?

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       (sighs) I think, uh, I think they wanted to give like $1,000 a month or something like that to Americans. Is that the idea, Jamie? I've heard lots of things, I don't know, up to 2,000. I don't know if ... Bernie's saying they should give 2,000 a month. I don't know. Yeah.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell9:08

       It's gotta be 2,000.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       Everybody ... But if you give everybody $2,000 a month, it's a good thing, but everyone's gonna go, "Hey, you could have done this the whole time?"

   22. DTDuncan Trussell9:15

       That's right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       What do you ... Wait a minute, if you just raise taxes, can you just give people money? Can you just give people more money? And if ... I'm not saying we should do this, but imagine if that (laughs) was the solution to all this, if you just give people more money, everything just sort of levels out and relaxes.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell9:30

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Crime drops-

   26. DTDuncan Trussell9:31

       I think it's the solution.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       ... everything drops, drug abuse drops.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell9:33

       Well, I mean, they've gotta know that when people don't have work, they don't have money. With no money, they can't support their family. That's when the riots start.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Yes.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell9:45

       That's when things catch on fire.
6. 11:55 – 18:48

   Pandemic reality check: supply chains, fragile systems, and rebuilding community

   1. DTDuncan Trussell11:55

      Do you remember the ... I don't know if you, if you had this experience, but like I can remember sitting at my computer-... and pressing the button on Amazon where I wanted to buy something. And it's like, "This isn't available right now."

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:13

      (gasps)

   3. DTDuncan Trussell12:13

      In that moment, I'm like, "What? It's my button that brings me things." And then, like, suddenly just realizing, like, "Oh my fucking god, how completely weak have I become that I got accustomed to pressing this button and people would bring groceries to my house-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell12:32

      "... and now they don't." Now it's, like, stopped. Not only that, I'm so accustomed to like, "Well, you know, I'll just go to the grocery store and pick up some food. It's always been there." It's not there. Dude, I had an Instacart delivery today, you know, 'cause we wanted to get stocked up on food. I don't know, $200 worth of food. Guess what I got? Strawberries, hummus, and I think we got, like, I don't know, some, like, eggs. That's it. Out of the whole order. Everything else was sold out.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      (laughs)

   7. DTDuncan Trussell13:05

      All the beef gone, all the chicken gone. Nothing's there. It's like the- the shelves are empty. So it's like, okay, send everybody $2,000 a month, but what are they gonna buy if there's, like, no food on the shelves? Like, what- what do you-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      Well, I think that was a temporary freakout where people stockpiled stuff. And I think as long as food keeps getting delivered on a normal schedule, I think that'll normal out.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell13:29

      I hope so, man.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Yeah. I do, I do. I think that'll normal out. But it just shows you, there's so many things in our society that are amazing, like grocery stores, like cellphones, like we can call each other. All this t- But those things are so fragile.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell13:44

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       They're like... They're- they're so vulnerable. Like if a- if an emergency happens and everyone wants to call at once, the cellphone system can't handle it.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell13:52

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Like it's not like you have a phone and you can call anytime you want, and I have a phone, I can call anytime I want, and everyone in the world has a phone they can call anytime they want.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell14:00

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       No. If everybody does that, the system is not set up to handle that.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell14:05

       That's right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:05

       If everybody does that, like, "Ah!" Like, that's why if there's an earthquake or a tsunami or anything, everyone's fucked.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell14:11

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       It's so hard to make phone calls.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell14:13

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       It's not gonna get through.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell14:15

       Yeah. Well, dude, I just heard on NPR that so many people were requesting unemployment, that it's crashed systems in several states.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       Oh, God.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell14:27

       That's... 'Cause this is- this is the real problem. One of my friends was saying, he's like, "You know, a lot of people are running out of money tomorrow. There are bartenders-"

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Yeah.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell14:35

       "...anyone in the service industry. All the people who work at The Comedy Store."

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       Yeah.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell14:38

       "It's not like..." I mean, how many of them had a lot of money, like, stored up?

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       None of them.
7. 18:48 – 24:15

   Tech disconnection, light pollution, and remembering we die

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:48

      We've done weird shit to each other-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell18:49

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      ... because of that.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell18:50

      We're all gummed up in that way.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:52

      (laughs)

   6. DTDuncan Trussell18:53

      It's like something... It's like, it's like a fungus that grew on the circuitry of society and started-

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:58

      Mm-hmm.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell18:58

      Or it's like, you know, when they talk about the, uh, dolphins and the whales being fucked up by the high-tech sonar they're using and washing up on the beach because the sonar is messing up their ability to communicate with each other. It's like there is this kind of technological sonar that has completely made us disconnected from the Earth, essentially. Like, our Earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection. Now, technology comes from the Earth, but we're talking about a secondary thing com- compared to, you know, your feet touching the ground-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:34

      Yeah.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell19:34

       ... being around another human and, like, recognizing them as having exactly the same thing you have, which is they want to be happy. You know, it's feeling the connection between people when you're with someone. I mean, I don't know if you've ever done that, but just, like, the next time you're around anybody that you're, like, buying shit from or that you n- normally just kind of go by, feel the... That connect-... You can feel it. There's an energetic-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       Yeah.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell19:57

       ... connection that you can feel there that's easy to overlook.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Yeah. We w- we've lost the biggest one, which is through light pollution. I think every night, people are humbled and r- reminded of the majesty of the universe when they looked up and saw the infinite skies on a clear night.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell20:15

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       The infinite stars, just the, the whole Milky Way. You can see the whole thing.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell20:19

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       You know? And there's parts of the country where there's plenty of darkness and you could literally see the whole Milky Way. And it ma- it makes you think, like, "Oh, our ancestors saw this fucking freaky shit all the time." We decided to shut off the greatest art the world has ever known-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell20:35

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       ... because we want to be able to see better at night.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell20:37

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       The greatest art, uh, uh, an art that literally not, not just has inspired science and wonder, t- and, and fueled it, right? But also, has, has kind of always put people in place. Always just, just understand this is not a backdrop, it's not a tapestry. That up there is madness. It's forever. And you're not protected. There's just a thin layer of gas between you and the universe, which is infinite. You're this tiny little speck of-

   22. DTDuncan Trussell21:10

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       ... nothingness in this impossible-to-understand expanse of planets and stars that just goes on forever-

   24. DTDuncan Trussell21:19

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       ... literally forever. And we're one little tiny piece of it, and we're being held here with a spin and some air. Ah!

   26. DTDuncan Trussell21:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       And there's a giant fucking fireball in the sky that keeps us alive.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell21:32

       (laughs) Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       And it's a million times bigger than the Earth.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell21:35

       Yeah.
8. 24:15 – 47:16

   Cosmic scale, catastrophes, and the ‘dress rehearsal’ mindset

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:15

      ... "Hey, look, this is a, this is a terrible thing, but relatively speaking..."... compared to super volcano, asteroid impact, compared to something, solar flare, something really crazy that can happen and blow out all the power-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell24:32

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:32

      ... which is a 100% possibility. Solar flares are 100% a possibility. And for people to not recognize that-

   4. DTDuncan Trussell24:41

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:41

      ... and, and just go through their life, it's just because we, he, we, we look at life as if what we've experienced while we're alive is the norm. But it's not.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell24:51

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:51

      It's not the norm. It's just hard for you to recognize that your life is so short. Your life is so short that when they're measuring all the different catastrophes that have happened over the Earth, whether it's proven sites of asteroid impacts or proven sites of volcano eruptions, or all these different things that have happened for sure and wiped out millions of people all over the world, they happen over a time span that's too big.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell25:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:17

      Our head doesn't get in there.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell25:18

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:18

       Our head doesn't go, "What? What is thir- 13,000 years is just some scratches on some paper in my head, my stupid head."

   12. DTDuncan Trussell25:25

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       "I don't know what 13,000 years means." I g- I can't. I can't do it. But 13,000 years ago, they think, and there's more and more evidence every day, that there was some big impact on Earth.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell25:34

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       And who, who fucking knows how many of those humans have gone through? Who knows? For the, the, what... I think scientists believe, like, what is it? Uh, it's like 300,000 plus years we've been this, right? Is that the idea? Homo sapien? Something like that, yeah. Something like that, right? Bro, that ain't shit.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell25:54

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:54

       That's so short, that's so short just in the time that the, the Earth has been here, in the four point whatever billion years the Earth has been here, and that's so short in terms of the f- almost 14 billion years the known universe has been here.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell26:08

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:09

       All of it's madness. Every single step along the way is madness. But we get stuck in these little time periods where nothing changes. And so, we think that this is life. So, we've built all these houses that only can work on electricity. How many fucking people have a real fireplace in their house that live in cold places?

   20. DTDuncan Trussell26:28

       Yeah, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       They're banning those now.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell26:30

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:30

       So, if they're banning fireplaces 'cause they don't wanna start fires, that's great, as long as you can ensure the gas and the power's gonna stay on. And I don't think you could do that.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell26:38

       Yeah, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:38

       We just think you can because you've done it for 100 years.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell26:41

       That's right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:41

       That's the thing.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell26:42

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:43

       100 years is shit. 100 years, the Industrial Revolution, the Roaring '20s from, from then to today-

   30. DTDuncan Trussell26:49

       Yeah.
9. 47:16 – 53:55

   Psychedelics, the afterlife “maybe,” and Tibetan dream-yoga/Bardo ideas

   1. JRJoe Rogan47:16

      Do you know any atheists that have done like a real blowout psychedelic session?

   2. DTDuncan Trussell47:22

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan47:22

      I know a couple and those, those are the most puzzling to me because the guy... People who have done like real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions, I always think that they would leave the door open to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it. It's not like ... Even if you're imagining it, I couldn't imagine that, so how am I imagining that?

   4. DTDuncan Trussell47:44

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan47:44

      How am I imagining something in such incredible vivid color and, and detail and-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell47:49

      Sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan47:50

      ... and knowledge and love and all these different things you experience in that state? That state is otherworldly. The fact that that is accessible at all, I don't care if it's through a molecule or through a, a, a yoga session. I don't care how it's accessible.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell48:04

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan48:05

      If, if the fact that that's accessible at all leaves open to me the I don't know, because I didn't know that that was a thing. So once I've experienced that, I'm like, "Oh, well all this flat plane of existence that we take for granted, that we think this is, this is everything around us-"

   10. DTDuncan Trussell48:20

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan48:20

       "... this is the whole environment we have to worry out for, this might be just one fucking stage on the radio dial of experiences-"

   12. DTDuncan Trussell48:27

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       "... and of, of dimensions that are in- interacting with us, but we just don't have the senses to, to tune into them." And when you can, for me at least, it leaves open the door for who the fuck knows? Who knows, man? I- just the fact that that's a thing.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell48:41

       ... to- there's a... Okay, so this is a trip, this, this is very trippy. So I got this book called The Tibetan Yoga of Dream and Sleep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan48:50

       Whoa. I feel like I should light this on fire.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell48:51

       It's fucking cool. But basically it's like, it, it's a form of Tibetan Buddhism, uh, that invites you to explore the difference between when you think you're awake and when you're dreaming. And so basically the idea is, there isn't much of a difference. There, like, right now you're dreaming. This thing you call your human incarnation (laughs) is, it's like a dr- it's a dream.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:19

       Mm-hmm.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell49:19

       And, you know, like, when people are dying they get all delirious and shit. They slide through time, you know. Like, I don't know if you've ever been around a dying person, but they, they, they like... Suddenly they're back in Vietnam, they're in the '50s-

   19. JRJoe Rogan49:34

       Yeah.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell49:34

       ... they're in the '30s. Where, however, whatever their lifetime, wh- which means that when you're dying, you're gonna, like, spin through time too, meaning that this could be you dying right now, spinning backwards through time.

   21. JRJoe Rogan49:47

       Jesus, Duncan.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell49:48

       But, like, in a dream. So that when you d- you know, this is the, the main thing about it is that when we die, w- according to this, we, we sort of spend, like, 39 days, I think it is, in a place called the Bardo, which is, um, uh, essentially like what it's like to have no body but still have this, like, uh, I, this basically, like, your w- uh, karma, your identity sort of propelling you through. And that, that, that's how you, like, get your next incarnation.

   23. JRJoe Rogan50:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell50:18

       So essentially, like, that's the, the... What we're dealing with here is so bizarre and surreal that it easily could just be a dream state that one of these vast AIs that already exist is having. And we're just processors. We're just being run. It's like running a simulation of a pandemic or r- or maybe this is a way that, like, uh, an AI gets polished. Like, maybe we're an AI that's being, like, polished and taught through this process of having a limited incarnation. You gotta have that so that there's a reason for us to actually invest ourselves in stuff. Like, if we were gods, if we lived for a million years, eventually we wouldn't have such a passionate relationship, I think, with the world, the, anyone who's gonna-

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:04

       Right.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell51:04

       So, you need that to train the thing up so it takes it seriously. You have to put the setting on mortal. Then you ha- then maybe you just run a series of tests on the thing, you know? You start ru- just, "What is this? What have we made? What does it do in a pandemic?" And by it, I mean the sum total of all humans, which is right now disconnected. It's like a malfunctioning brain. The synap- you know what I mean? We're not connecting.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       Mm-hmm.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell51:26

       But i- i- if we were being, like, sort of, I don't know how you'd put it, groomed, evolved intentionally, then every single moment in an individual's life and in a planet, the planets'... The life of history could be looked at as a training or an upgrade. That this could be an operating system upgrade. This could be what an operating system upgrade looks like in the biocomputer that we exist in. It looks like a fucking pandemic. And that's what's happening right now, is we're being, like, upgraded for some reason. Even though it's terrifying and, uh, obviously horrific, you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan52:01

       Mm-hmm.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell52:01

       We're being upgraded. And, uh, when you... Anyway, the whole point is, man, this thing that we're in right now, whether or not there's a God, we just... I think an atheist gets to lean into the idea that when they close their eyes and breathe their last breath, it stops. And I just think that's a big gamble, man. That's... And I don't mean 'cause you'll go to hell. I mean, how nice would that be-
10. 53:55 – 1:06:27

    Immortality, anti-aging tech, secret-society jokes, and lineage-based “immortality”

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:55

       Yeah, we just have to figure it out. That's the thing. And when you're young, uh, particularly if you're young and you don't have a lot of guidance, which was me when I was younger, it takes a while to figure it out. Because you're just running on your own, right? There's no one... You're not getting, like, a lot of...... d- direction to how to live your life. And I moved around a lot too, which really didn't help. But as you get older-

    2. DTDuncan Trussell54:16

       Me too.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:16

       ... you start getting a better sense of what makes sense and what doesn't make sense and what's important and what's not important, what fucks up your life and what enhances your life. But you don't live long enough to really get it down.

    4. DTDuncan Trussell54:26

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:26

       See if these- these people, like, uh, David Sinclair or Aubrey de Grey, all these anti-aging geniuses that are out there that are working on all these solutions to extend human life, if they ever really nail it, if they really nail it ... You know, if David Sinclair comes up with something and you can live 150, 250 years-

    6. DTDuncan Trussell54:48

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:48

       ... by the time you're a 150 years old, you're gonna have so much less bullshit in your life. (laughs)

    8. DTDuncan Trussell54:53

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:53

       You're gonna realize, like, when you're 30 you'll date crazy people, you'll have moron friends that you have to bail out of jail. You'll have these problems. But when you get older, you start going, "Look, I see what's good for me and I see what's not good for me."

    10. DTDuncan Trussell55:06

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:06

        You know? And I see there's some people that are not willing to change and they're try- they're not trying to do better.

    12. DTDuncan Trussell55:11

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:11

        They're just consistently making the same mistakes over and over again and dragging everyone down around them. You just gotta move on from people like that in your life. When you're 150 man, (laughs) you're-

    14. DTDuncan Trussell55:21

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:21

        ... you're not gonna be tolerating anything. You're just gonna- you're just gonna only have cool people that you hang out with and- and we'll attract each other. And then we'll be able to work together on things.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell55:31

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:32

        Knowing that, uh, each other are sane and rational and are- and are looking at these things honestly. They're not talking from a position of trying to convince you of their virtue or trying to talk you in a position of doing something that'll benefit them financially.

    18. DTDuncan Trussell55:47

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:47

        They're doing it just 'cause they're- they're just being in the moment and honest and- and being a human being.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell55:53

        Yeah, man. I mean, you basically just described, like, the secret societies. I mean-

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:57

        (laughs)

    22. DTDuncan Trussell55:57

        (laughs) You know what I mean?

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        We need to come up with our own. What should we call it?

    24. DTDuncan Trussell56:01

        The Illuminati?

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:02

        No. That's too much.

    26. DTDuncan Trussell56:03

        Well, you know, that- the-

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:05

        If we came up with our own right now-

    28. DTDuncan Trussell56:06

        I- I-

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:07

        ... what would we call it?

    30. DTDuncan Trussell56:08

        Whatever it is, don't do initials, man. I hate that shit.
11. 1:06:27 – 1:32:38

    Attention capture: phones, audiences without devices, and Jaron Lanier’s warning

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:27

       Yeah. Well, they haven't developed the muscle. I mean-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:06:30

       Yeah.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:31

       ... it's a muscle. You, you, it, it's ... People just assume that the ability to have a conversation is a natural part of being an adult. But it's like, you ... I think that's atrophying in a lot of people, to the point now where I just try to be, you know, as ... I guess it's like, I just have lowered my expectations.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:06:50

       Yeah.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:50

       To the point of, like, I don't know how m- many people can pay attention that much. And I know I'm certainly distracted. But doesn't it feel fucking weird? Even if you're just watching TV with somebody, and they pull their phone out and start looking at it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:06

       Oh, it's so weird.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:07

       It f- it's like, it's like the energy immediately downshifts-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:10

       Yeah.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:10

       ... the moment it's-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:11

        Like, if you're watching a movie with someone, and they're over there on their phone, like, come on.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:15

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:07:15

        Watch the goddamn movie with me.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:17

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:07:17

        Yeah.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:17

        Even though we're not talking-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:07:18

        Yeah.

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:18

        ... doesn't mean we're not connecting.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:07:20

        It's weird. It's weird. Even fights. If you watch fights with your friends, they're on their phone all the time. It's like, "Are you not even watching these fights?"

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:26

        You can feel it.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:07:27

        Yeah. Yeah.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:28

        That's why, you know, at the Denver Comedy Works, they've got the, Dave Chappelle-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:07:31

        The underbags?

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:32

        Yes.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:07:32

        Yeah.

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:33

        So, like, I was listening ... Do you ever listen to an audience that doesn't have access to their phones before a show?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:07:40

        They're so mad.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:42

        They're what? No. They want the ... "You motherfucker, where's my pho- ... "

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:07:46

        (laughs)

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:46

        This ... No. It's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:07:47

        They talk to each other.

Episode duration: 3:01:10