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Joe Rogan Experience #1445 - Andy Stumpf

Andy Stumpf is a retired Navy SEAL and was also a two-time wingsuit world record holder. He hosts his own podcast called “Cleared Hot” that can be found on Apple Podcasts & Stitcher.

Joe RoganhostAndy StumpfguestJamie Vernonguest
Mar 20, 20202h 53mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ex-Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf Dissects COVID Panic, Fear, And Resilience

  1. Joe Rogan and former Navy SEAL/skydiver Andy Stumpf use the emerging COVID-19 crisis as a jumping‑off point to explore fear, media confusion, and how people behave under stress. They contrast rational risk assessment with the public’s panic buying and toilet-paper hoarding, arguing most danger comes from emotional overreaction, not the virus itself. Stumpf draws heavily on combat and SEAL training to explain decision‑making, discipline, and the importance of focusing only on what you can control. The conversation then branches into military experiences, law enforcement training, jiu-jitsu, hunting, and how hardship recalibrates gratitude for everyday life.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Separate emotion from decision-making in crises.

Stumpf argues that fear is natural but deadly when it drives choices; like in a firefight, panicking or freezing lets external chaos maneuver around you. In COVID terms, that means resisting herd panic, ignoring rumor cycles, and making calm, informed choices instead.

Focus on your circle of control, not your circle of concern.

He uses a two‑circle model: most people obsess over things they can’t influence (news, stock market, toilet paper supply) instead of what they can—attitude, fitness, diet, hygiene, how they treat others. Shifting attention inward preserves mental bandwidth and resilience.

Prioritize collective ‘we’ over individual ‘me’ behavior.

From hoarding toilet paper to ignoring distancing rules, they see many people acting purely out of self-preservation. Stumpf advocates deliberately choosing pro‑social behavior—checking on elderly neighbors, helping those on fixed incomes, or simply not overbuying—to stabilize communities.

Hardship sharpens gratitude for everyday comfort.

Stumpf describes war zones and third‑world conditions (people defecating in their only water source) to frame how thin the margin is between Western abundance and scarcity. Rogan adds that miserable hunts and rough conditions make basic sunshine, dry clothes, and normal life feel extraordinary afterward.

Preparation is useful, but hoarding and extreme prepping aren’t the answer.

They argue there’s a reasonable middle ground between having no reserves and stockpiling five years of MREs. Over-buying by the few creates artificial shortages and fear cascades for everyone else; sensible stocking plus community-minded sharing is more sustainable.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The most dangerous thing you can do is lose control of your emotions or let your emotions take over your decision-making cycle.

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People are super concerned about me and far less concerned about we.

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We’re using the body to test the mind. BUD/S isn’t some complex course—it’s stressing the body to see how your brain behaves when you’re tired, hungry, and freezing.

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I don’t think there’s a toilet paper shortage. There’s a shortage of people with common sense who are buying too much toilet paper.

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People spend a lot of time, energy, and effort focusing on things that they cannot control. You have to surrender that mental horsepower and only focus on the things that you can—specifically yourself.

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Public and political response to COVID-19 (lockdowns, fear, uncertainty)Media confusion, misinformation, and emotional decision-makingSEAL mindset: fear management, discipline, and ‘keeping your world small’Economic vulnerability, inequality, and people living paycheck to paycheckSocial cohesion vs. selfishness (we vs. me) in crisesLaw enforcement use-of-force, lack of grappling training, and jiu-jitsuMilitary stories: BUD/S, Hell Week, Jessica Lynch rescue, and authenticity vs. Hollywood portrayals

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